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Credlin | 15 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: That is really funny. Now I'm a Catholic. I'm not
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Speaker 2: offended by Trump and the Jesus stuff. I think he's stupid.
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Speaker 3: To do it.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that a bit later in the show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: on kredline. The dire warning of a global recession from
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Speaker 2: the International Monetary Fund.
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Speaker 4: This is the IMF.
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Speaker 2: The Treasurer says, it's a dangerous and serious time. I'm sure,
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Speaker 2: but this isn't the government for serious times, is it.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak to an MP of former soldier himself, who's
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Speaker 2: already having veterans return their medals to him in anger
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Speaker 2: and disgust at the arrest to Ben Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 4: Plus more tonight and the fight over migration.
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's made a start, but I'll give you my
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Speaker 2: take on where the party needs to go next as
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Speaker 2: Labour's Tony Burke launches their attack. And tonight and I'm
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Speaker 2: going to introduce you to to the Liberal and National
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Speaker 2: Party candidates for the seat of Pharah plus Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: and exposes the so called Independent and Warren's voters beware,
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Speaker 2: for he depended.
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Speaker 1: Who was working with seals already before she said harder,
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Speaker 1: she's working with teals.
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Speaker 2: But first it's been yet under a fuel finding for
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, who's been mugged by the reality that
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Speaker 2: as much as he might want to do away with
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels, Australia and the world run on them diesel
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Speaker 2: in our case in particular, today he spent a lot
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Speaker 2: of jet fuel and a lot of carbon emissions to
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Speaker 2: fly to Brunei, the oil rich sultanate on the island
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Speaker 2: of Borneo. He was there to remind Australian leaders they
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Speaker 2: might need our gas, but we need their petrol and diesel.
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Speaker 2: Like his trip to Singapore just a few days ago,
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Speaker 2: there was not much more in this than a photo
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Speaker 2: op for the cameras, and certainly nothing came out of
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Speaker 2: the trip that wasn't already teed up by our diplomats,
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Speaker 2: who could have just gone from Singapore straight to Brunei
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Speaker 2: and saved himself and the taxpayers all that fuel, or
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Speaker 2: he could have done the whole thing both Singapore and
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Speaker 2: brune on zoom as he tells us to do. And
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Speaker 2: he's twenty million dollar ad campaign that frankly treats all
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Speaker 2: of us like we're simpletons. The global fuel shortage is
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Speaker 2: affecting everyone, and we all have a part to play.
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Speaker 4: Your simple actions like pumping up your tires can make
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Speaker 4: our fuel supply go further. For more tips.
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Speaker 2: If he is a fuel plan dot gov dot AU,
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Speaker 2: I just shake my head when I see that waste
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Speaker 2: of money and there's no plan. There's an ad, but
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Speaker 2: there's no plan. Now back home, his ministers insists the
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Speaker 2: fuel crisis just proves they've got to double down on
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Speaker 2: so called green energy.
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Speaker 4: The green transition, they say.
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Speaker 2: Is all so important, even though, as I say, we
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Speaker 2: run on diesel, and even though fossil fuels provide ninety
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Speaker 2: percent of our total energy and that's not going to
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Speaker 2: change for decades if ever.
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Speaker 5: Our countries around the world saying this underpins and underlines
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Speaker 5: the need to keep going with things like electrification and
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Speaker 5: ensuring renewable energy.
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Speaker 6: The world's moved on in terms of energy security, and
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Speaker 6: we've got this incredible resource here in this country that
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Speaker 6: lots of other countries don't have, where a secure, stable democracy,
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Speaker 6: the capacity to generate renewables here in this country, and
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Speaker 6: then actually electrify it.
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Speaker 4: All. Hang on, Catherine King.
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Speaker 2: The biggest blessing we have is what's in the ground
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Speaker 2: that you won't let us dig up and use. Now,
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Speaker 2: given Australia refuses to do anything directly to assist in
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Speaker 2: the reopening of the straight upum moves, what's plainly urgent
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Speaker 2: is that we must find, extract and refine more oil
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. So Almine's he's got two options. He
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Speaker 2: can keep using precious jet fuel to beg his way
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Speaker 2: around Asia. LA can take specific action to open new
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Speaker 2: oil fields here as soon as possible. A government that
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Speaker 2: was serious would give Queenslands to room Trough oil field
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Speaker 2: the go ahead now.
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Speaker 7: But that is I'm handing you the first oil from
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Speaker 7: the Tarum Trough, that is from a scene that's about
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Speaker 7: three k's deep. We believe there's a massive, massive opportunity
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Speaker 7: for us to do what we used to do in
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Speaker 7: this country once upon a time.
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Speaker 4: Why was still even talking about this.
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Speaker 2: A federal government that was serious on fuel security would
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Speaker 2: use this crisis to cut through the red, the green,
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Speaker 2: the black tape that's delaying projects like this and get
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Speaker 2: it underway. Last night, a cross section of the Pharah voters. Well,
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Speaker 2: they delivered their verdicts on Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 8: We're craving leadership, but we're also craving responsibility.
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Speaker 4: It's how do you think it's going?
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Speaker 9: I just will say no comment.
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Speaker 4: Why is that?
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Speaker 2: Because people have said to me they were government out
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Speaker 2: of their lives. They've talked about in being weak or
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Speaker 2: lack of leadership. What would you put it down to.
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Speaker 5: I would say a lack of leadership.
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Speaker 2: Deep down Australians wondering what's happened to the country that
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Speaker 2: went out and built the Snowy Mountain scheme, created the
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Speaker 2: Northwest Shelf, could conjure up modern wonders like the Sydney
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Speaker 2: Harbor Region, the Opera House, built ports.
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Speaker 4: And rail lines.
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Speaker 2: But now it can't even be bothered to find and
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Speaker 2: extract the Australian oil that will keep our farms and
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Speaker 2: mines and transport going. And we're the Prime minister who
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Speaker 2: begs others for what we should reproducing ourselves. I think
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Speaker 2: people are scratching their heads. I think they're starting to
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Speaker 2: understand that Anthony Oweneasy is just not up to the job. Well,
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Speaker 2: yesterday Anger's Tailor made a good start towards the Coalition's
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Speaker 2: immigration policy, but it was just a start beyond his
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Speaker 2: existing mantra that the numbers are too high and that
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Speaker 2: the quality is too low. He was absolutely right to
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Speaker 2: stress that immigration must be for Australia's benefit, not just migrants,
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Speaker 2: and that too many recent migrants are coming here to
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Speaker 2: change us, not join us.
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Speaker 3: Immigration numbers are too high, and consequently Australians can see
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Speaker 3: the country they love changing for the worse. Not everyone
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Speaker 3: wanting to migrate to Australia will be a net benefit
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Speaker 3: to Australia. Indeed some will be a net train. But
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Speaker 3: for an immigration program to work in the national interest,
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Speaker 3: it must discriminate based on values.
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Speaker 2: And Labor knows, don't they that he's onto something that
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Speaker 2: he's scratching deep at innitie that a lot of Australians
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Speaker 2: care about. Because their incoherent and contradictory response came out today,
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Speaker 2: I mean federally, Tony Burkin implicitly accepted Taylor's line, saying
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Speaker 2: that well, Labour's already doing it. We're getting the numbers
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Speaker 2: down and we're getting the quality up.
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Speaker 4: Said Burke.
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Speaker 10: We've been getting the numbers down. My simple message to
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Speaker 10: anyone who thinks, what do you do when your visa
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Speaker 10: runs out? You should leave?
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Speaker 4: That's interesting.
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Speaker 2: Then we have a Victorian Premier Cinter Allen claiming that
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Speaker 2: Taylor's plan was extreme, it was race based, and it
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Speaker 2: was channeling Donald Trump.
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Speaker 11: I'm firmly of the view that we need unity not division.
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Speaker 11: I'm firmly of a view that we need a migration
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Speaker 11: policy that is not race based or extreme dividing and
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Speaker 11: excluding families by race, religion, or country of origin. That
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Speaker 11: is not what the ANZAC stood for. We are a
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Speaker 11: country that doesn't need to go down a path like
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Speaker 11: what we are seeing in Donald Trump's America, where people
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Speaker 11: are angry and divided and living standards are falling.
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Speaker 2: They tried the Trump card with a Dutton. I don't
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Speaker 2: think it's going to work. So we did this leave
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Speaker 2: Burke because Burke was channeling Angus Taylor. He heard his grab.
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Speaker 2: Is he now like Trump as well?
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Speaker 4: Still?
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Speaker 2: The one thing to make is the key point that
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Speaker 2: the migrants who come here have to join Team Australia.
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Speaker 2: And there's also another way that we've got to work
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Speaker 2: out getting Australians to do more to get out into
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Speaker 2: the workforce.
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Speaker 4: But just on the.
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Speaker 2: Migrants any belief that they might have in a caliphate
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Speaker 2: or Sharia law that is absolutely inconsistent with life in Australia.
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Speaker 2: But how do we police that. We can hardly say
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Speaker 2: no Muslims whatsoever, because not every Muslim is a fundamentalist.
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Speaker 2: But plainly there are plenty of Islamists who are Islamists
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Speaker 2: to have passed a citizenship and test and they've made
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Speaker 2: a pledge of allegiance clearly that in mean or they
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Speaker 2: had no intention to honor, and checking an applicant social
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Speaker 2: media is hardly proof that could all just be deleted
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Speaker 2: and deporting people whose extremism has only become apparent after
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Speaker 2: several years here, well that's not easy either, especially if
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Speaker 2: they've married Australians and have had children born here in
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Speaker 2: this country. That's what the Bondi shooter did.
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Speaker 4: The problem for.
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Speaker 2: The liberals here will be turning a very good principle
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Speaker 2: into effective practice, which was hardly an issue when nearly
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Speaker 2: all of our migrants came from Britain or continental Europe
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Speaker 2: or the persecuted Christians out of the Middle East, because
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Speaker 2: they all broadly shared our values.
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Speaker 4: But obviously this.
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Speaker 2: Is now an issue, and what about the numbers too.
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Speaker 2: I think this is the biggest issue for the coalition.
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Speaker 2: Getting them down to well under two hundred thousand will
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Speaker 2: mean drastically reducing foreign stued numbers, given that so many
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Speaker 2: of them are coming from work and residency not really
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Speaker 2: an education. Plus finding other ways to get workers into
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Speaker 2: all those big businesses, the farms, the hotels, the cafes
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Speaker 2: and nursing homes, the hospitals that can't get locals to
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Speaker 2: work there again, ending access for non citizens too, the
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Speaker 2: benefits like Medicare and family reunion. That'll make a real
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Speaker 2: difference as we're linking immigration numbers to housing starts. But
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Speaker 2: in the end Taylor will have to do what Dutton
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Speaker 2: promised but never came close to delivering, namely providing a
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Speaker 2: ballpark figure for immigration numbers. Because voters who feel badly
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Speaker 2: let down, they're not going to take the coalition on
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Speaker 2: trust here again, which means good on you, angus, Good
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Speaker 2: on you for part one of your immigration plan. I
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Speaker 2: think it's terrific. Now we want to see part two. Right,
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Speaker 2: let's go to camera for the headlines. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: our political report at Reuben Spargo.
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Speaker 12: The International Monetary Fund is warning the Alberzi government against
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Speaker 12: using the upcoming budget for the cost of living handouts
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Speaker 12: as Australians face rising prices. The organization says the world
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Speaker 12: could face a recession if the conflict in the Middle
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Speaker 12: East drags on.
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Speaker 3: This is a really dangerous time for the global economy.
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Speaker 2: The International Monetary Fund is expecting slower growth and higher
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Speaker 2: inflation around the world than we are as well.
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Speaker 3: All of this was happening before the fuel crisis hit Australians.
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Speaker 3: This is a government that has not got control of
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Speaker 3: the economy.
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Speaker 12: As governments respond to the warning, the Treasurer is preparing
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Speaker 12: to meet his US counterpart and other finance ministers in Washington.
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Speaker 12: The Prime Minister is seeking to leverage Australia's food exports
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Speaker 12: to shore up fuel supplies. Anthony Albernezi's visiting Malaysia and
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Speaker 12: Brunei as Australia risks being impacted by potential export controls.
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Speaker 13: Brunei is an important supplier of fertilizer and of nine
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Speaker 13: percent of our diesel to Australia, and Australia is a
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Speaker 13: reliable supplier of food.
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Speaker 14: They've missed the boat literally on fuel supply.
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Speaker 15: Such the extent he's now scrambling and running around Southeast Asia.
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Speaker 12: It's the Prime Minister's second consecutive week of international travel.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in the panel. Sky send your report.
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Speaker 2: And she's doing good job, isn't she. On the Late
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Speaker 2: Debaate Carolyn Marcus and National affairs editor The Daily Telly
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Speaker 2: Sky host of course, James Morrow, I'll start with the
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Speaker 2: IMF's forecast that the wall could trigger global recession. It'll
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Speaker 2: be the third such global recession if it happens this century,
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Speaker 2: and the government here has been warned that all these
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Speaker 2: cost of living handouts that could well be in the
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Speaker 2: federal budget that comes out early May will also add
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Speaker 2: problems to the mix. We've got unemployment data out tomorrow, James.
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Speaker 2: A lot of economists are worried here. The Treasurer admitted
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Speaker 2: that today he said, these are serious times. This is
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Speaker 2: not a serious government.
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Speaker 16: Well, no, it's not a serious government, Peter. But I'm
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Speaker 16: so glad that you mentioned that point about this potentially
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Speaker 16: being the third global recession this century, because if you
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Speaker 16: think about the history of these things, the first one
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Speaker 16: was the global financial crisis, of course, and that's when
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Speaker 16: we had the world's greatest treasure Wayne Swan. He set
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Speaker 16: the playbook for labor in economic downturns, which was not
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Speaker 16: to let the economy shake itself out, but instead to
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Speaker 16: write checks to make sure everything, you know, went fine
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Speaker 16: and everybody had lots of money flowing through the economy. Now,
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Speaker 16: Wayne Swan was given all these accolades for it. But
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Speaker 16: now that's the pattern. And now after doing this for
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Speaker 16: all these years again back in power, labor has very
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Speaker 16: little room left to play in the budget, It has
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Speaker 16: very little fat. It has basically been presiding over an
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Speaker 16: economy that has been almost in a day facto per
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Speaker 16: capita recession for a long time now, only stimulated by
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Speaker 16: cost of living handouts and mass migration. So they don't
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Speaker 16: have a lot of levers to pull. We are in
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Speaker 16: a lot of trouble here, Peter. I don't mean to,
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Speaker 16: you know, over egg this here, but this is a
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Speaker 16: it's a dangerous situation because they don't know what they're doing.
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Speaker 16: They have only one or two moves in their playbook,
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Speaker 16: which they've already exhausted, and after that I think there
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Speaker 16: are out of options.
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Speaker 4: You're not wrong, you know.
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers, his only serious job was chief of staff
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Speaker 2: to Wayne Swann. During that period you mentioned, remember there
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Speaker 2: were nine hundred dollars checks to dead people, There was
14:23
Speaker 2: cash for clunkers, There was the pink Bats fiasco and
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Speaker 2: three young men lost their lives. With all the sort
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Speaker 2: of sharks and shysters that got involved in that program.
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Speaker 2: That's the sort of stuff like labor does when they're
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Speaker 2: panicked about the economy and they had to push money in.
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Speaker 2: So I think we're all on watch come the budget
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Speaker 2: in May. We've still obviously got the fuel crisis Caroline.
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Speaker 2: We've got Virgin Australia now joining quantas, cutting flights, also
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Speaker 2: increasing what fares they are offering. We've got six sick
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Speaker 2: kids and those charity air flights to get them to
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Speaker 2: hospital from regional areas they've been grounded. We've got dairy
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Speaker 2: farmers saying there will be a twenty percent plus hike
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Speaker 2: for milk and other dairy products. All this because you
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Speaker 2: and I know we rely on fuel. But we've got
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Speaker 2: the left of politics who have spent decades now demonizing
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels. At the same time as I've got the
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Speaker 2: PM now flying like a madman around the country trying
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Speaker 2: to get more of what he's been hating for the
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Speaker 2: past twenty years.
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Speaker 17: There is such an irony in that, isn't there, Peter.
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Speaker 17: You know the Prime Minister jetting off to Brunei, jatting
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Speaker 17: off to Singapore in the last couple of weeks, all
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Speaker 17: because he failed to shore up our fuel supply and
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Speaker 17: our fuel reserves ahead of what could have surely been
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Speaker 17: a predictable crisis. That this is going to happen at
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Speaker 17: some point, that we could face this very issue. And
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Speaker 17: now it's there's a flow on effect. And I note
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Speaker 17: that the former US Chief of Energy under Joe Biden
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Speaker 17: has come out today as well made the point that
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Speaker 17: renewables are not going to get us out of this crisis.
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Speaker 17: I mean, Chris Bone might say that this is the
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Speaker 17: time to even put more focus on renewables.
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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone is buying that anymore.
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Speaker 17: And you just the effects are endless, not just as
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Speaker 17: you would expect at the Bowser record prices. But now
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Speaker 17: we're hearing dairy is going to go up. Home brand
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Speaker 17: milk will cost as much as two dollars in the supermarket.
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Speaker 17: We're going to see cafes increase their surcharges. We're hearing
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Speaker 17: that out of Canberra farmers are struggling, of course, so
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Speaker 17: it's going to lead to the higher prices for everyone.
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Speaker 17: So it is a disaster of the government's own making.
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Speaker 17: At least they certainly helped it become this big.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to immigration because obviously a lot of
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Speaker 2: reaction yes today to yesterday's speech from Angus Taylor. James
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Speaker 2: I was staggered by these revelations in the papers this morning.
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Speaker 2: Seventy seven people are living in Australia illegally at the
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Speaker 2: end of the last financial year. It will be higher
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Speaker 2: than that now and some twenty five thousand of these
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Speaker 2: people have been here for a decade.
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Speaker 4: Or more now.
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Speaker 2: During this speech yesterday, Taylor really went hard on the
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Speaker 2: high risk cohort of people that came from Gaza Well,
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Speaker 2: hitting back hard someone who's got a lot of Muslims
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Speaker 2: in his seat was the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.
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Speaker 10: There has never been a cohort with more security checks
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Speaker 10: in this particular group. Everyone before they had their first
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Speaker 10: visa issued was checked against the alert list, which is
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Speaker 10: maintained by the Department of Home Affairs and is informed
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Speaker 10: by information and constantly updated every twenty four hours by Asier.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this, James is absolute bladder. These people came
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Speaker 2: on visitor visas, even if you check them against that list,
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Speaker 2: and I know that list, well, they were living in
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Speaker 2: Gaza where there was no consular support, there no checks
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Speaker 2: and balances on these people. They were under a regime,
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Speaker 2: a terrorist regime for fifteen years. Now, when on that
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Speaker 2: terrorist regime is dubbing anyone into an international movement list,
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Speaker 2: I mean, keep him.
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Speaker 4: You speak, I'm speechless. It is it is.
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Speaker 16: I mean I was listening to that grab and I
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Speaker 16: had the exact same kind of almost brain melting reaction here.
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Speaker 16: I could not believe the disingenuousness of this guy. As
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Speaker 16: you say, this movement alert list, well, yeah, that is
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Speaker 16: informed by proper governments of proper countries. You know, if
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Speaker 16: there's somebody who's a criminal here, who's overseas an Australian
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Speaker 16: citizen and we want them back, we put them on
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Speaker 16: that list so that they can get stopped at a
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Speaker 16: border and sent back to us. That's not what's going
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Speaker 16: on here. These guys were given the equivalent of tourist visas.
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Speaker 16: And here's the other dirty little secret. And I don't
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Speaker 16: know if Tony Burke knows this or not. I suspect
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Speaker 16: he knows it. I suspect to deny it. Anybody who
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Speaker 16: got out of Gaza did so with the permission of
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Speaker 16: the Hamas government. Right, you had to be connected, you
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Speaker 16: had to have money. Nobody there has money. Nobody has
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Speaker 16: the connections to get out of Gaza and the permission
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Speaker 16: to get out of Gaza if they are not connected
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Speaker 16: in some way and approved of by that regime.
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Speaker 2: Now that there is no war in Gaza, out they
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Speaker 2: all should be loaded on a.
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Speaker 4: Plane and said back.
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Speaker 2: Not allowed to migrate across various visa classes.
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Speaker 4: Stay here and then bring all their family.
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Speaker 2: Hey, the Ginger and the winder. The tour that's not
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Speaker 2: a tour that you know, is the privacy tour continued
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Speaker 2: again today. A bit of a backlash though against Meghan
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Speaker 2: and these very pricey outfits that she's wearing around. Probably
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Speaker 2: the biggest reaction Carra was one that she wore to
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Speaker 2: a homeless shelter and the whole outfit, right down of
19:52
Speaker 2: the shoes, is linked on a website where you can
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Speaker 2: go and buy it.
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Speaker 4: I bet you she gets a cut here. What can
19:57
Speaker 4: you tell us she apparently does.
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Speaker 17: Peter is an investor in this platform, fashion platform. It's
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Speaker 17: AI powered apparently.
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Speaker 4: I won't give its.
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Speaker 17: Name because I don't think it deserves any more publicity.
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Speaker 17: Quite frankly, like she's rocked up to this hot women's
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Speaker 17: homeless shelter, which in itself is a worthy cause, but
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Speaker 17: she's wearing an Australian designer dress. And look, at least
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Speaker 17: she's wearing an Australian designer I'll say that much. Karen
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Speaker 17: g twelve hundred and fifty dollars twelve hundred dollars Dior shoes,
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Speaker 17: a Tiffany gold bracelet, a Cardia watch that apparently belonged
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Speaker 17: to Princess Diana that I don't think was getting a
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Speaker 17: cut out of anything when she wore high fashion expensive
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Speaker 17: earrings as well. It's tone deaf for the setting that
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Speaker 17: she's in, obviously, But then she's investing in this website
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Speaker 17: which shares celebrities clothing. Quite frankly, I think it's beneath
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Speaker 17: someone who was a former royal to be doing that
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Speaker 17: in the first place. I mean, with the women at
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Speaker 17: the shelter aware that they were being used as part
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Speaker 17: of this designer clothing commercial enterprise. It just not only
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Speaker 17: obviously the women in the room wouldn't be able to
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Speaker 17: afford such a thing. I just compare her to Catherine,
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Speaker 17: Princess Catherine, and just what she would do. She'd probably
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Speaker 17: wear an outfit that she's worn before, she does many times,
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Speaker 17: maybe something from the high street, a middle sort of
21:27
Speaker 17: level brand with sneakers, and that would be appropriate for
21:31
Speaker 17: the setting. And she wouldn't be showing up the women
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Speaker 17: who she's there to help.
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Speaker 4: Ostensibly, you're not surprised either, No, not at all, not
21:43
Speaker 4: at all.
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Speaker 17: This is all big commercial, commercial enterprise for them.
21:49
Speaker 4: We'll leave the grifters right there. Thank you to you both.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's return out of the hustings in Farah
21:54
Speaker 2: where I want to introduce you to the woman who
21:57
Speaker 2: hopes to replace former inmpeat Susan Lee in Canberra, and
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Speaker 2: that's the local Liberal candidate.
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Speaker 4: Her name is Raiser Bokowski.
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Speaker 2: It was twenty five years ago that Liberal Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: caused a huge upset at the time, winning the seat
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Speaker 2: off the National Party at the two thousand and one election.
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Speaker 4: Hoping to hold onto.
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Speaker 2: The seat following Lee's shock resignation, is community lawyer and
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Speaker 2: Aubrey's City Council local raiser Bokowski.
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Speaker 4: So you've been thrown to the defense.
22:31
Speaker 2: You're a candidate now and you're in a national by election,
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Speaker 2: so you're really under the spotlight. What's it been like
22:37
Speaker 2: getting this campaign team together and hit the road expected?
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Speaker 18: I don't really know what I was expecting from the
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Speaker 18: Liberal Party, but the level of support I received is
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Speaker 18: actually really humbling. We've had former prime minister obviously Tony
22:49
Speaker 18: Abott was here, and we've had Angus and Jane, and
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Speaker 18: we've had Maria Kavasik, and we had Senator to cent
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Speaker 18: An Empyshen, but.
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Speaker 7: Price as well.
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Speaker 2: What are people telling you in Aubrey? Are the biggest
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Speaker 2: shit at are top of mind for them?
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Speaker 18: So obviously healthcare is front and center. But I think
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Speaker 18: everywhere we go, sitting behind every conversation we have as.
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Speaker 4: Cost of living.
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Speaker 2: So do they think the government, you know, this is
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Speaker 2: all out of the government's control, or do they think
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Speaker 2: that the l and easy government should be doing more
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Speaker 2: and should be doing better.
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Speaker 18: I certainly think that labor in particular, their role is
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Speaker 18: to ensure that we have enough local supply, and it's
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Speaker 18: also their role to ensure that I feel gets to
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Speaker 18: where it needs to get.
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Speaker 4: To and it just hasn't happened.
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Speaker 2: As we talked about the issues front and center in
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Speaker 2: this by election, key too was the presence of Climbate
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Speaker 2: two hundred sponsored candidate Michelle Milthorpe.
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Speaker 18: I am obviously focused on myself and in my campaign
23:50
Speaker 18: there has been genuine concern. To be truthful, the likes
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Speaker 18: of David Pocock are coming to support the campaign has
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Speaker 18: advocated for unlimited waacs.
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Speaker 2: So this is the environmental flows that would take away
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Speaker 2: available water from farmers.
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Speaker 18: So essentially they're buying from productive consumptive pool, which is
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Speaker 18: what the farmers and irrigators need to be able to
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Speaker 18: do what they need to do, and they are taking
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Speaker 18: that out of productive communities and holding it as environmental water.
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Speaker 2: With her army of supporters and a big extended family
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Speaker 2: out to campaign alongside her, she just that I wanted
24:33
Speaker 2: to get to know Razor a little better.
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Speaker 4: I was born and raised here.
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Speaker 18: I had the real immense privilege ofus of publicly serving
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Speaker 18: my community as a senior community lawyer and as a
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Speaker 18: filbricity counselor and also on the board of the Murray
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Speaker 18: Darling Association.
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Speaker 2: I mean, one of the really big issues if you
24:53
Speaker 2: were elected to federal parliament is water. It sits in
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Speaker 2: the federal domain and it's been a bugbear for this
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Speaker 2: communit unity now for nine and twenty years. There was
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Speaker 2: nowhere I've been over the last couple of days where
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Speaker 2: water hasn't been the number one.
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Speaker 4: Issue, and fuels up there. But that's topical now.
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Speaker 2: But water is just such a huge economic issue for
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Speaker 2: so many people. What's the biggest issue that you would
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Speaker 2: want to fix on water right now?
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Speaker 4: Buybacks? I think we've had more than a life.
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Speaker 18: The buybacks are coming out of fairly productive farming and
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Speaker 18: irrigating communities and they are devastating those communities. It's our
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Speaker 18: community deserves a level of transparency and insight just on that.
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Speaker 2: Though you're running against an independent who's also really pushing
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Speaker 2: environmental flows over what local farmer flows.
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Speaker 4: How well known is that in the community.
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Speaker 18: I would say that it's probably not well known because
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Speaker 18: the focus of that campaign is a Royal commission, and
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Speaker 18: I think the Royal Commission can take years, it can
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Speaker 18: cost hundreds of one hundreds of millions of dollars, and
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Speaker 18: their recommendations are not fighting.
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Speaker 2: What's going on with the Norandra and their water. How
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Speaker 2: do you live like that when your water is the
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Speaker 2: color of mud.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it is. It's an issue.
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Speaker 18: We had a local man at the pub and tell
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Speaker 18: us he couldn't bathe his baby. I don't think that
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Speaker 18: people should have to pay for their water twice, first
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Speaker 18: in rates and then obviously when it comes to bottled water,
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Speaker 18: which a lot of people are doing just to bathe children,
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Speaker 18: or they're having to pay for filters to be put
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Speaker 18: on taps.
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Speaker 4: People can't wash white clothing in Narantra. It's an issue.
26:37
Speaker 2: Alongside water. The other key campaign issue is health.
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Speaker 18: Where I think the conversation has fallen down, particularly locally
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Speaker 18: here in Aubrey, is that people are equating health with
26:47
Speaker 18: hospitals and they are not a safe thing. We need to.
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Speaker 4: Be ensuring that we have.
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Speaker 18: Access to age care facilities or hospital in home.
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Speaker 4: We need better access to mental health care.
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Speaker 18: We need to come up with policies and enact ways
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Speaker 18: that we can attract and retain GPS and tersance and
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Speaker 18: allied health professionals. Okay, hello Dagon, how is that give
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Speaker 18: her a job?
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Speaker 1: Well, we won't go that far.
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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of supporters. I met some of
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Speaker 2: the young kids out there supporting you. It's notice to
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Speaker 2: see young people around politics with convictions. What's been the
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Speaker 2: response you're getting on the ground.
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Speaker 4: It's been really wonderful.
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Speaker 18: There is still a lot of goodwill for the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 18: particularly out in the regions. You know, there is a
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Speaker 18: level of prostration. We can't deny that, but ultimately we
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Speaker 18: need to remember that this by election is about not
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Speaker 18: choosing a new government, but choosing a new representative who's
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Speaker 18: going to be able to affect change both now and
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Speaker 18: into the future. You know, we need really sound economic management.
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Speaker 18: You can't get that if you're simply just going to
27:59
Speaker 18: be a complaints on the sidelines in Canberra, which a
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Speaker 18: lot of these candidates will be, simply because.
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Speaker 4: They can't form party of government.
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Speaker 18: You know, the examples of Howard and the Abbott government obviously,
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Speaker 18: but you were a part of We need to get
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Speaker 18: back to, you know, a point where people understand that
28:19
Speaker 18: they have to work hard and they do actually have
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Speaker 18: to pay for things. I was speaking someone with somebody
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Speaker 18: today and she was just talking about just particularly with
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Speaker 18: the younger generation, there is such an expectation that they.
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Speaker 4: Just said the handout mentality. I mean, like that's labor's
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Speaker 4: not aladed by Thotse.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess if you work hard, you just
28:37
Speaker 2: want to know you can get ahead.
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Speaker 4: It's right, you know it is simple, the efforty. It's right.
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Speaker 2: You want to know as much that money stays in
28:43
Speaker 2: your own pocket. And I think that's the worry people
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Speaker 2: have absoletely.
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Speaker 4: Well, good luck with the campaign. You're Pito. Great to
28:49
Speaker 4: meet your razor. Delight is over here.
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Speaker 2: I love to get out of my office and get
28:53
Speaker 2: out to a country town. There's no good to town
28:55
Speaker 2: than I'll bring. She's a really lovely and she is
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Speaker 2: a really lovely person, so we'll see how she goes.
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Speaker 2: And just down the road from the Liberal HQ office
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Speaker 2: was the camp and office of the National Party. Now
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Speaker 2: they're fighting this one for the first time in a
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Speaker 2: long time. We'll have a look at that after the break.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe that we in Australia are paying millions
29:23
Speaker 2: and millions of a to Afghanistan, which is controlled by
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Speaker 2: the Taliban. I'll speak to an army veteran about that
29:30
Speaker 2: and the fact that former soldiers are handing back their
29:32
Speaker 2: medals to him in Uproar about the treatment of been
29:36
Speaker 2: Robert Smith.
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Speaker 4: But first, as you saw just.
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Speaker 2: Then, you've heard from the Liberal Now it's time for
29:41
Speaker 2: you to meet Brad Robertson, who joined me in Farah
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Speaker 2: alongside his Nationals leader, Senator Matt Canavan. For seventeen years,
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Speaker 2: former Deputy PM Tim Fisher held the seat of Farr.
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Speaker 4: For the Nationals.
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Speaker 2: There's optimism within the past that former Army Colonel Brad
30:02
Speaker 2: Robertson might just be the candidate to win it back. Well, Brad,
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Speaker 2: you know, I've seen a lot of candidates in my time,
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Speaker 2: but you on paper and to meet you in person,
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Speaker 2: you're an exceptional candidate.
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Speaker 4: What bad You put your hand out for a.
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Speaker 2: Three cornered, four cornered, five cornered contest and then this will.
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Speaker 4: Be a fight for the set of Farah.
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Speaker 14: I wanted to support my community. I got involved in
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Speaker 14: a number of organizations for personal reasons in non for
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Speaker 14: profit sector, homeless veterans, the local hospital, local manufacturing. I
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Speaker 14: chair a number of organizations for that and I just
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Speaker 14: grew very much attracted to continuing to serve and look
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Speaker 14: after my community.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you and your wife Kate grew up in
30:47
Speaker 4: the country.
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Speaker 1: We did.
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Speaker 14: Yes, my wife at bogle Bry, just north of Ganadara
30:52
Speaker 14: and myself in Bathist and we fell in love with
30:56
Speaker 14: this as soon as we landed here because we'd been
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Speaker 14: in Saudi a for two years as the defense attache.
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Speaker 14: We came here and then my wife's and I walked
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Speaker 14: down this main street and people said hello, they smiled
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Speaker 14: at you. You walked into a shop and they knew
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Speaker 14: you by name the second time you went there, and
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Speaker 14: we just felt really like this was where we belonged.
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Speaker 2: Well, I reckon your polling is pretty good because I'm
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Speaker 2: looking around the room and all the core flutes here
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Speaker 2: and you're talking about water, You're talking about health and
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Speaker 2: hospitals in this area.
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Speaker 4: They are all the things that people have been raising
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Speaker 4: with me. Just on water.
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Speaker 2: It's a real issue in this campaign, and there's a
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Speaker 2: difference between what some are promising, which sounds like more water,
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Speaker 2: but it's more water for the environment. And it's what
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Speaker 2: farmers are telling me is that we need more water
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Speaker 2: and more security of water so that we can do
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Speaker 2: and all the things we do, we can grow and
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Speaker 2: we can feed Australia.
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Speaker 4: How's that a problem in the campaign.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think there's two tests on water at
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Speaker 1: this election.
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Speaker 19: The first is are you going to oppose the Labor
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Speaker 19: Party's buy back approach. When we were in governments, we
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Speaker 19: put in a law which stopped water buy backs. In fact,
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Speaker 19: I helped write that law when I work for somebody
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Speaker 19: called Barnaby Choice.
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Speaker 1: He did that as part of a team.
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Speaker 19: And then the Labor Party got in a few years
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Speaker 19: ago and they've scrapped that law. And they scrapped that
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Speaker 19: law with the support of Teal members of Parliament, Teal
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Speaker 19: members apartment like David Pocock, who next week will be
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Speaker 19: here with the so called independent candidate, who is working
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Speaker 19: with teals already even before she's in Parliament, she's working
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Speaker 19: with teals and so the real question for her is
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Speaker 19: if she is running around with teals, if she's funded
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Speaker 19: by the same people who funded the teals, what is
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Speaker 19: she really going to do to stop those water buybacks.
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Speaker 19: David Pocock voted in the Parliament to take back more
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Speaker 19: water from these communities.
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Speaker 2: I know that is absolutely right on the Pocock point,
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Speaker 2: but she's sort of dodging her way through. I think
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Speaker 2: she's realized water is a bit of an issue because
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Speaker 2: I noticed on the right a lot of billboards saying
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Speaker 2: I want a royal commission into water.
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Speaker 4: What do you think of a royal commission? And her
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Speaker 4: idea of a royal commission into water.
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Speaker 14: The problem for farmers is if you have a royal
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Speaker 14: commission right now, when you've got a labor government who
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Speaker 14: has full in not actually supporting farmers with water. They
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Speaker 14: set the conditions, they set the terms of reference, they
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Speaker 14: determine who runs it. The potential is that they'll get
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Speaker 14: a worse outcome. There will be more focus on the
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Speaker 14: environment than there is on farming and farming outputs. It's
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Speaker 14: a double edged sword there. You've got an inquiry, but
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Speaker 14: you could actually end up with a worse situation.
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Speaker 2: Do you think people understand that she is a teal
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Speaker 2: in so far as their environmental policies, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I talk to farmers and they're drowning in green tape.
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Speaker 4: A lot of that comes from the left side of politics.
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Speaker 19: There's no doubt these teals are very tricky. They're very
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Speaker 19: tricky at trying to hide their real agenda. I do
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Speaker 19: think people are starting to wake up to that year.
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Speaker 19: What I've heard on the crowd here is it. At
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Speaker 19: the last federal election, there wasn't perhaps the understanding about
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Speaker 19: who backs Forschelle, who's supporting her, why she has so
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Speaker 19: many advertising and people around her. Since the last federal election,
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Speaker 19: all the disclosures have come out, and those funding disclosures
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Speaker 19: shut that she is funded for the same people who
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Speaker 19: put Zali Steggel in the Parlament, who put all these
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Speaker 19: teals into Parliament, who not only want to take all
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Speaker 19: the water away from this area, but they also want
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Speaker 19: to impose massive amounts of green net zero regulations on farmers,
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Speaker 19: on rural communities. And that's another thing we've heard going
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Speaker 19: around is that this net zero agenda just means a
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Speaker 19: whole lot more red tape for people who want to
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Speaker 19: grow our food. They're losing their farming country to these
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Speaker 19: ridiculous carbon credits.
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Speaker 4: Water to one side.
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Speaker 2: The other big issue dominating the campaign is health services
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Speaker 2: and the fate of the current Aubrey hospital, to upgrade
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Speaker 2: it or build a completely new one.
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Speaker 14: Well, I got sick during COVID. I was in Melbourne
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Speaker 14: with the the Task Force in the military and my
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Speaker 14: wife was diagnosed with cancer.
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Speaker 4: And she well, that's tough time to have that come through.
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Speaker 14: It was and the services weren't available here, not that
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Speaker 14: she needed for her particular cancer, so she was moved
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Speaker 14: to Sydney. Most people don't realize what a person has
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Speaker 14: cancer and they go through that process of cancer journey,
35:23
Speaker 14: there's a lot of other complications that start to appear.
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Speaker 14: A lot of the treatments make other things worse. And
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Speaker 14: there was one occasion where my wife, after the cancer
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Speaker 14: and the cancer treatment, got very sick and I remember
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Speaker 14: my wife being put into an ambulance by my son.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, no no ye, and you're allowed to be human.
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Speaker 14: And then she was flown by the Royal Flying Doctor's
35:53
Speaker 14: Service to Sydney because of potential. She had numerous complications,
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Speaker 14: and my thoughts was back to my military times. I
36:04
Speaker 14: looked at this circumstances of my wife having to travel
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Speaker 14: hours for one minutes mattered and for me that really
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Speaker 14: brought it home that country and regional and rural and
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Speaker 14: remote areas have for generations been asked to just accept
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Speaker 14: the fact that their health system or their treatments will
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Speaker 14: be hours away from where they are, and for me
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Speaker 14: it became a passion and talking to the surgeons, the doctors,
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Speaker 14: the nurses. Over the last couple of years working with them.
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Speaker 14: They're passionate about this region. They are doing an absolutely
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Speaker 14: fantastic job. They're the ones who are complaining. They're the
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Speaker 14: ones who did a clinical services plan in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 14: They discussed it with the government, the government came up
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Speaker 14: with what needed to be done here. What they've done
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Speaker 14: is from a lot of the community's perspective, solutions under
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Speaker 14: a budgetary constraint that won't meet the requirements of today.
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Speaker 17: And are you.
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Speaker 2: Confident if you get elected to Canberra that you can
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Speaker 2: help pull together a solution that's a fan income solution,
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Speaker 2: not a band aised solution, as you say, for the
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Speaker 2: people of this region.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think I can. I've actually sat down with
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Speaker 14: all of these local experts going through those plans and
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Speaker 14: identifying what needs to be here, and I've worked with
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Speaker 14: the team, the nationals team to work through what could
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Speaker 14: be achieved through a coalition government here locally to address
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Speaker 14: not only Aubrey but the wider region.
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Speaker 19: Can I just add to that too, Peter, that I've
37:48
Speaker 19: been through lots of campaigns where local people understand.
37:51
Speaker 1: We have a good idea about how to fix.
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Speaker 19: Things, but often those ideas don't come with a lot
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Speaker 19: of the details about the costings and how it's all
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Speaker 19: going to work. What's by me and with Brad is
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Speaker 19: that just in a few weeks. In fact, the first
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Speaker 19: day I had out of Canberra's leader, he had massive
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Speaker 19: amounts of documents with all of this.
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Speaker 1: Detail ready to go.
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Speaker 19: They were presented in a way which is almost of
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Speaker 19: cabinet submission sort of quality.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting when I ask people how they were going
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Speaker 2: to vote, I got all manner of the spectrum, but
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Speaker 2: almost everyone, universally Matt said how disappointed they were in
38:23
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's lack of leadership.
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't an anger or an aggression.
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Speaker 2: It was that they felt incredibly let down at a
38:32
Speaker 2: time in some even referenced bond dive, but at the
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Speaker 2: time of crisis on fuel, they just don't think he's
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Speaker 2: across the brief and they just don't think he's up
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Speaker 2: to the job.
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Speaker 1: Well, people are confused, that's their action. I've got people
38:42
Speaker 1: are very.
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Speaker 19: Confused about what it actually is the situation in this country.
38:46
Speaker 19: A number of people have raised me the national address
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Speaker 19: that we're all told was going to be extremely significant,
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Speaker 19: and then within days the Energy Minister's running around saying no,
38:54
Speaker 19: we've got plenty of fuel and you can.
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Speaker 1: All keep it.
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Speaker 2: To spend twenty million dollars on an aid campaign, have
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Speaker 2: an our campaign.
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Speaker 1: Why don't we spend money on drilling for oil again
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Speaker 1: in our own country.
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Speaker 19: Why is the Prime Minister traveling all the way to
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Speaker 19: Singapore to beg for more oil coming from there when
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Speaker 19: he won't meet with the Queensland Premier who wants to
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Speaker 19: actually produce domestic order.
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Speaker 1: So the Prime Mister is now in the government is
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Speaker 1: now subsidize them.
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Speaker 19: They're subsidizing the production of foreign oil in places like
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Speaker 19: Singapore because they're going to use our balance sheet to
39:24
Speaker 19: bring in fuel to the country produced overseas. But this
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Speaker 19: government will do nothing at the moment, not lift a
39:30
Speaker 19: finger to help produce more oil in Australia, which would
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Speaker 19: meet Australian jobs, Australian investment and of course Australian fuel
39:36
Speaker 19: security long term, much more than relying on sea lanes
39:39
Speaker 19: bringing in fuel.
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Speaker 1: To our country.
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Speaker 19: So you've got to draw the conclusion here this government
39:43
Speaker 19: is not really about Australia country.
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Speaker 4: People are pretty shrewd.
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Speaker 2: They're polite, We're very polite about the Prime Minister, but
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Speaker 2: disappointment but they're shrewd.
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Speaker 4: Do they think they do? You think they look at.
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Speaker 2: Michelle Milthorpe as a true independent, Well, look, I.
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Speaker 1: Think people are.
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Speaker 19: I have found out now that Michelle Milthorpe is really
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Speaker 19: a teal in orange clothing.
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Speaker 1: She has presented herself.
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Speaker 19: With these orange colors that they do in regional Australia.
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Speaker 1: But that is hiding something.
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Speaker 19: You don't have to scratch very hard at that veneer
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Speaker 19: and it's teal funders. It's a climbate two hundred bo
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Speaker 19: who are funding her. It's her friend's teals in the
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Speaker 19: Parliament that she is campaigning around this electorate. And so
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Speaker 19: I just don't think Michelle's being upfront with the Electric year.
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Speaker 19: It just seems I think people get that she's got
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Speaker 19: something to hide.
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Speaker 4: I reckon she does have something to hide.
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Speaker 2: Michelle Millthorpe was asked to come on the show for
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Speaker 2: me to interview her luck I've interviewed the others and
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Speaker 2: of course tomorrow night, David Farley, one Nation candidate, will
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Speaker 2: will join you.
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Speaker 4: But she refused.
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Speaker 2: She ducked and weave but eventually said no. All right
40:53
Speaker 2: after the break, the veterans who are giving back their
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Speaker 2: medals over Ben Robert Smith. It's Wednesday, so words with
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Speaker 2: Kel coming out. But first of my panel as bring
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Speaker 2: them in. The L and p's Phil Thompson, who represents
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Speaker 2: the Queensland seat of Herbert and One Nation Senator of
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Sean Bell, who comes to us
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Speaker 2: tonight from the seat of Farah. Well, welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Jeff Kennet, the former Victorian level Premier today has slammed
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Speaker 2: the charges against Ben Robert Smith in the Herald Sun,
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Speaker 2: but then also said this on radio He listen.
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Speaker 20: It is grossly unfair that these charges are levied. I
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Speaker 20: do not know whether it's by the Australian Police Force
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Speaker 20: who it is, but they should be with gorn.
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Speaker 2: Phil, You've already had veterans, and I mention again that
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Speaker 2: you have served yourself, your former army veteran, but you've
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Speaker 2: had veterans approach you return their medals.
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Speaker 4: So disgusted.
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Speaker 2: They are so angry they are with the treatment of
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Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith. Given that ANZAC Day is almost us,
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Speaker 2: this is really going to cut deep with your community
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Speaker 2: on the twenty fifth, won't it.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely people are quite upset right now, They're feeling hurt,
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Speaker 8: they're feeling let down by their government. This has been
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Speaker 8: a more than five year long process where lives and
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Speaker 8: livelihoods have been turned upside down, people have been treated
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Speaker 8: quite poorly, and then to see how this all went
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Speaker 8: down really did stir up the veteran community because they
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Speaker 8: don't like to be treated like this.
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Speaker 1: They think that they have been left out to dry.
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Speaker 8: And what happens in war isn't something that many people
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Speaker 8: in Australia kind of understand. And what happens on the
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Speaker 8: battlefield or any of the allegations, it's going to be
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Speaker 8: extremely hard to then determine and talk about in a
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Speaker 8: civilian capacity because kicks in, I'll beat in the gunfight
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Speaker 8: and what I did there talking to just on that
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Speaker 8: issue with people that have never served and never done anything,
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Speaker 8: they change a different color, They look differently at you.
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Speaker 8: They don't understand or go through the feelings that you
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Speaker 8: went through. And veterans right now around the country are
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Speaker 8: sitting there going what is this country that I served
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Speaker 8: now become?
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Speaker 2: What is this country that I was willing to die
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Speaker 2: for become? And it's not just veterans Sean, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're in Farah Ben Robert Smith and the military. More
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Speaker 2: broadly was raised with me by farmers, by people on
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Speaker 2: the street there. I was in Melbourne today, I'm the
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Speaker 2: street in Melbourne. One of my lovely viewers, Caitlin, came
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Speaker 2: up to me. She said, Peter, I've never protested against
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Speaker 2: anything or about.
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Speaker 4: Anything in my life.
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Speaker 2: She says, I really feel like I need to get
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Speaker 2: out there and protest on the arrest of Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 2: That's how strongly it's impacted just ordinary people.
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Speaker 15: It takes something incredible in a fuel crisis and a
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Speaker 15: cost of living crisis to knock that out of the
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Speaker 15: front of voters' minds, but it has everywhere I go
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Speaker 15: in Pharah, I was traveling to business today, meeting locals
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Speaker 15: at a supermarket. They are raising it because what has
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Speaker 15: occurred is a travesty. We have seen Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 15: been treated is a travesty. And you know, I'm so
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Speaker 15: glad that I'm part of a party that come out
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Speaker 15: and from day dot we're not sticking our finger in
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Speaker 15: the air to test the wind. It's clear that this
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Speaker 15: was wrong and it must be opposed. One nation stands
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Speaker 15: with Ben Robert Smith, and we stand with all of
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Speaker 15: our troops because what message are we sending to our
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Speaker 15: troops who serve our veterans and even young people considering
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Speaker 15: that they would get in the defense force. You know,
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Speaker 15: this is something that hasn't been considered and they should
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Speaker 15: call off the witch hunt, call off the dogs, because
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Speaker 15: this is not the Australian way. It's not a fair
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Speaker 15: go and it's not the Australia that I grew up in.
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Speaker 2: Churchill famously said, I refuse to be impartial as between
44:58
Speaker 2: the fire and the fire brigade, and I think that's
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Speaker 2: where a lot of Australians are tonight. I've got to
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Speaker 2: ask you, Phil, I've just seen something come up in
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Speaker 2: your social media. I was going to ask you about
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Speaker 2: something else, but I must go to that. You've written
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Speaker 2: to the Prime minister. This is extraordinary.
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Speaker 4: You have written to.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister and said, what the heck are we
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Speaker 2: doing sending another fifty million dollars to Afghanistan on top
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Speaker 2: of what three hundred and ten million dollars in ad
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Speaker 2: given it is now run by the Taliban.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's astonishing that the Taliban, a terrorist organization of
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Speaker 8: my view that has killed forty one Australian soldiers and
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Speaker 8: wounded more than two hundred and sixty thousands lived with
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Speaker 8: the memory of that hell on earth in war. They
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Speaker 8: give money to the Afghanistan Parliament, to the Taliban for Afghanistan,
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Speaker 8: but yet there is a killer that walking around. Hekka Matula,
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Speaker 8: who killed three Australian soldiers, is living free, sentence to death,
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Speaker 8: released out of their court system and walking free in
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Speaker 8: Afghanistan after gloating and boasting about it. And my letter
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Speaker 8: to the Prime Minister is if you're going to send
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Speaker 8: a dollar to Afghanistan, which I still don't agree with,
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Speaker 8: I want to know what he has done to demand
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Speaker 8: that this murderer, that this killer be held accountable, be
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Speaker 8: rearrested and sentenced to what they were sentenced to. I
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Speaker 8: believe that the Taliban they hate us, they should hate
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Speaker 8: us for free.
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Speaker 4: We shouldn't be giving them money, but.
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Speaker 8: This labor government has chosen to do so. Therefore we
46:36
Speaker 8: should be demanding that Hekmatulla be are rearrested and back
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Speaker 8: in jail where he deserves.
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Speaker 2: We spoke to you Pote, the dad of one of
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Speaker 2: those soldiers killed by heck Matulla. I have to remind
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Speaker 2: my audience, of course heck Matulla was convicted in the
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court in Afghanistan. He confessed to the killing. So
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Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent with you. We'll leave it there, gentlemen,
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Speaker 2: good luck with the trip to Farrett Sean.
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Speaker 4: We'll catch up with your.
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Speaker 2: Candidate David Farley tomorrow on the program. All right after
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Speaker 2: the break words with Kell, Hell, look, Id just quickly
47:17
Speaker 2: mentioned the Victorian government lost a case in the High
47:20
Speaker 2: Court today, which means there'll be no changes to election
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Speaker 2: donation laws in Victoria and it will advantage the teals
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Speaker 2: come November and others too. Joining me now as it
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Speaker 2: does every Wednesday, Kel Richards with words. Kell got some
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Speaker 2: good ones today. Some I've got no idea where you're
47:37
Speaker 2: going to go. This one in particular, this is a
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Speaker 2: phrase Beth says. My husband and I were wondering where
47:42
Speaker 2: the term flea market came from, where it originated and
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Speaker 2: the meaning please okay.
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Speaker 9: It is a nickname for street markets goes back to
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Speaker 9: nineteen twenty two, and it started life as a joke.
47:55
Speaker 9: A few expressions did actually begin just as jokes, and
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Speaker 9: the joke was on the In the street markets there
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Speaker 9: were secondhand goods and they were so secondhand they just
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Speaker 9: must be infected with fleas. That was the joke, and
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Speaker 9: that's where it comes from.
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Speaker 4: Hey, two things there. I'm shocked that it's that resent.
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Speaker 4: But two shout out.
48:17
Speaker 2: To the boys that Sky News because you've got a
48:19
Speaker 2: very sort of academic looking background behind you.
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Speaker 4: I love it.
48:24
Speaker 2: Well done. Let's go to this one from Gary. Gary says,
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Speaker 2: I heard an American reporters say it's on the fritz, right,
48:30
Speaker 2: the fridge is on the fritz.
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Speaker 4: It's on the fritz, he said.
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Speaker 2: My rellas in South Australia called processed meat fritz. And
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Speaker 2: as I said, we say a machine is on the fritz.
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Speaker 2: Where did that come from?
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Speaker 9: Okay? The first one for the food that is called fritz,
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Speaker 9: the sausage called fritz. Fritz came into the English language
48:48
Speaker 9: as the nickname for a German soldier recorded like that
48:51
Speaker 9: from eighteen eighty three, and it was the main nickname
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Speaker 9: for German soldiers in the First World War because Fritz
48:57
Speaker 9: was a common first name in Germany. Now that's in
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Speaker 9: South Australia was originally called German sausage. If you called
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Speaker 9: Germans fritz, it was Fritz. The same sausage. Can I
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Speaker 9: just mention has lots of other names around Australia. It's
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Speaker 9: called Devon, Poloni, Strasbourg, wheel, Meet, lunch and sausage. There's
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Speaker 9: more than a dozen and they're all listed in one
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Speaker 9: of my books called word Map, if you want to know.
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Speaker 9: The other one for things breaking down is American recorded
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Speaker 9: from nineteen eight and it says something went on the fritz,
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Speaker 9: and none of the experts can tell me where it
49:31
Speaker 9: comes from. But I have an idea, a good guess,
49:34
Speaker 9: because that was the start of the electrical era, the
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Speaker 9: earliest electric light bulbs and things like that. And my
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Speaker 9: guess is that the noise they made when they stopped
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Speaker 9: working was a fizzing noise. So if you said they
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Speaker 9: were going on the fritz, what they'd done is they
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Speaker 9: had actually fritzed.
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Speaker 2: Have we got time for this one, baby and the
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Speaker 2: bath water from James?
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Speaker 4: Or we leave that for next week.
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Speaker 9: Let's leave that for next week. I'll tell you the story,
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Speaker 9: all right, We'll.
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Speaker 4: Leave it there. We'll leave it there. And look, this
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Speaker 4: is a little one from me.
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Speaker 2: But my dad would have been ninety years today, So
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Speaker 2: shout out to my whole wider family who are having
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Speaker 2: a glass of Melbourne bitter tonight in his honor. We
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Speaker 2: lost him thirty years ago, so it has been a
50:14
Speaker 2: long time. But you've got to remember those you love
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Speaker 2: with a nice smile on your face.
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Speaker 4: Don't you. That's it for me, see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 4: Here's Andrew