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Mega Edition: Chad Daybell Is Found Guilty On All Counts (10/25/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: the good folks of Idaho did the world a favor
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Speaker 1: and they found Chad Daybell's bitch ass guilty. Not only
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Speaker 1: did they find him guilty, they found him guilty on
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Speaker 1: all charges. And honestly, if you were following along with
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Speaker 1: the trial, then you know that it was a foregone conclusion.
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Speaker 1: There was no way that Chad Daybell was going to
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Speaker 1: find a way to wiggle off this hook. And we
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Speaker 1: saw it time and time again throughout the trial. They
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Speaker 1: had no tenable ground to defend. They had nowhere to go.
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Speaker 1: They had nothing they could sink their teeth into. And
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Speaker 1: even when he tried to throw Lori Vallow under the bus,
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Speaker 1: it didn't work out so well. Because guess what, stupid?
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Speaker 1: You goddamn stunad. You were right there the whole entire time,
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Speaker 1: right with her, making decisions, and creating this whole entire
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Speaker 1: fantasy land that all of you morons lived in. And now,
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Speaker 1: all that's left is to see if this disgusting piece
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Speaker 1: of garbage gets the death penalty, which he most certainly should.
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Speaker 1: And for me, I'm just glad that this is over
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Speaker 1: and done with at this point. Of all of the
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Speaker 1: horrible stuff that we cover, whenever we have a story
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Speaker 1: like this with kids involved, it's always that much more
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Speaker 1: difficult to try and make heads or tails of. Who
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Speaker 1: the hell wants to hurt a child? And the second
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Speaker 1: you do, you become one of the most disgusting individuals
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Speaker 1: on the planet. And never mind hurting children the way
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Speaker 1: that Chad Daybell did. It's almost too much to even
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Speaker 1: wrap your mind around. So I'm beyond relieved that the
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Speaker 1: jury didn't take a long time to deliberate here. and
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Speaker 1: we got the verdict relatively quickly, because this dude deserves
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Speaker 1: everything that's on the way. Today's article is from Law
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Speaker 1: and Crime, and the headline, Doomsday Cult Author Chad Daybell
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Speaker 1: Guilty of Murdering Lori Vallow's Children and His First Wife.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Colin Kambacher. On two different
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Speaker 1: days in September of 2019, Chad, Guy Daybell, 55, murdered
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Speaker 1: his second wife's children, In October 2019, he murdered his
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Speaker 1: first wife, a jury in Ada County, Idaho determined, on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: The defendant conspired with his second wife, convicted killer Lori Vallow, 50,
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Speaker 1: to kill his first wife, Tammy Daybell, 49, and Tylee
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Speaker 1: Ashley Ryan, 16, Vallow's biological daughter from a prior marriage,
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Speaker 1: and Joshua Jackson J.J. Vallow, 7, Vallow's adopted son. Daybell
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Speaker 1: was found guilty of all the indicted counts against him,
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Speaker 1: including multiple counts of insurance fraud, conspiracy to commit murder,
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Speaker 1: and conspiracy to commit grand theft by deception. Chad Daybell's
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Speaker 1: about to be real popular in jail. Once he gets
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Speaker 1: to prison, all these other inmates are going to know
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Speaker 1: exactly who he is, what he did, and why he's there,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to press his ass. And I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be shocked to hear that he gets the Larry Nassar
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Speaker 1: treatment at some point. After five hours and 48 minutes
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Speaker 1: of deliberations that began late Wednesday afternoon, 12 jurors decided
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Speaker 1: Daybell's fate. The timestamp on the reading of their decision
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Speaker 1: was just after 2 p.m. Mountain Standard Time. The defendant
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Speaker 1: appeared still as the verdicts were read, and it's funny
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Speaker 1: you would think that this great prophet named Chad Daybell
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Speaker 1: would have seen all of this coming, considering he has,
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Speaker 1: you know, portals, he can talk to God, the angel
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Speaker 1: Moroni came to visit him, the whole entire thing. So
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Speaker 1: you would think that Chad Daybell would be all over
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Speaker 1: this and know that this was coming.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wait up. What's that?
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Speaker 1: He didn't talk to God? He wasn't hanging out with angels?
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Speaker 1: He's just a stunad fucking moron.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
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Speaker 1: Breaking news. Nobody's being visited by angels. Nobody's talking to God.
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Speaker 1: None of that's real. At least not when we're talking
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Speaker 1: about Chad Daybell. This dude's about as much of a
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Speaker 1: prophet as Frank Gallagher is a good father. The children
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Speaker 1: disappeared and were considered missing for some time before the
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Speaker 1: horrible truth became clear that they were both killed one
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Speaker 1: after another in early and late September of 2019. The
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Speaker 1: killer's first wife was originally believed to have died from
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Speaker 1: natural causes, but hindsight and knowledge gave authorities cause to
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Speaker 1: re-evaluate that determination. Yeah, I would think that they had cause.
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Speaker 1: And as far as Chad Daybell's kids go, I told you, folks.
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Speaker 1: I told you that they had the Hills Have Eyes
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Speaker 1: kind of vibe, and then they get up there and
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Speaker 1: lie for their gross-ass dad, because there's no doubt in
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Speaker 1: my mind that they got up there and impeached themselves.
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Speaker 1: And then, the whole situation with Garth telling his friend
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Speaker 1: a different story... I said from Jump Street that all
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Speaker 1: of these people who were involved from Zulema to Melanie
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Speaker 1: to the kids, I have questions. There's no adult on
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Speaker 1: this planet that should be sitting around listening to the
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Speaker 1: shit that Chad Daybell's pumping and thinking it's a good idea.
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Speaker 1: And if you do think it's a good idea, my friend,
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Speaker 1: you're a fucking moron too. Tylee was last seen alive
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Speaker 1: in a photograph taken at Yellowstone National Park on September 8th, 2019.
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Speaker 1: During Daybell's trial, it was established that JJ was killed
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Speaker 1: sometime during the early morning hours of September 23, 2019.
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell died on October 19, 2019. Vallow was initially
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Speaker 1: arrested in Hawaii in February of 2020 on charges of
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Speaker 1: child desertion. Daybell was arrested in June 2020 after the
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Speaker 1: children's bodies were found buried at his property. The two
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Speaker 1: defendants were indicted for the murder of Vallow's children and
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell in May of 2021 on multiple counts of
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Speaker 1: murder in the first degree. conspiracy to commit murder in
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Speaker 1: the first degree, and grand theft by deception. Initially prosecuted
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Speaker 1: as husband and wife co-defendants, their cases were severed in
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Speaker 1: March 2023. Vallow was convicted of her crimes in May
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Speaker 1: of 2023. Her husband's trial took place during the same
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Speaker 1: month this year. And I think him getting his trial
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Speaker 1: severed really hurt him down the road, because he basically
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Speaker 1: gave the prosecutors a run-through, right? We're going to nail
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and then we'll use the same ass playbook
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Speaker 1: on Chad Daybell. Now, of course, that gives his defense
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Speaker 1: a little bit of an idea of what's coming, but
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Speaker 1: they had no tenable ground. They had nowhere to defend.
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Speaker 1: So in the end, all that really happened was Chad
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Speaker 1: Daybell gave the prosecution more ammunition, right? So I think
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Speaker 1: it was a crucial error to have his trial severed.
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Speaker 1: I'd want my shit going concurrently with Lori Vallow's. That
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Speaker 1: way the state doesn't have any kind of advantage over me.
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Speaker 1: During the trial, Melanie Gibb, a formerly devoted family friend,
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Speaker 1: reprised her prior testimony from Vallow's April 2023 trial, discussing
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Speaker 1: details about the killer's bizarre post-Mormon belief system and how
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Speaker 1: those beliefs became a real-world nightmare for the victims.
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Speaker 2: Oh, please.
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Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, Melanie Pawlowski, Zulema Pastanis, they were up to
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Speaker 1: this shit in their eyeballs. And the fact that they
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Speaker 1: were able to avoid any kind of charge here tells
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Speaker 1: you that they were cooperating and helping the government. Because
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Speaker 1: if not, they all would have been charged with something.
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Speaker 1: Because there's no way all of these adults are around
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Speaker 1: talking about light, dark, zombies, this, that, the other thing,
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Speaker 1: and nobody's the wiser, what's going on, or what's being planned. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Vallow and Daybell met at a
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Speaker 1: doomsday conference in 2018. There, they came to believe that
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Speaker 1: they had been married in a past life. Other non-doctrine beliefs,
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Speaker 1: atypical to their Mormon upbringing, came to be shared between
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Speaker 1: the lovestruck murderers, including the idea that people emit energies
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Speaker 1: that can be categorized as light and dark.
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Speaker 2: She told me the.
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Speaker 1: Day before I arrived that he became dark, Gibbs said,
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Speaker 1: testifying about the novel religious beliefs in which Daybell was
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Speaker 1: the arbiter of who was irreparably possessed by a certain
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Speaker 1: and decidedly novel form of evil. Let's be very clear.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't let Chad Daybell pair my socks in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Never mind give me spiritual advice. I'd rather get spiritual
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Speaker 1: advice from the leader of the Taliban. And the only
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Speaker 1: thing that Chad Daybell should ever be the arbiter of
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Speaker 1: is the arbiter of the Stunads. In this belief structure,
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Speaker 1: oddly named spirits latch onto human bodies. In time, those
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Speaker 1: unfortunate human beings are considered to have become dark. And
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Speaker 1: if the dark ones couldn't be cast out, the possessed
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Speaker 1: person would become a zombie. You want zombies? Come to
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. I'll take you down the Boulder Highway and
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Speaker 1: you'll see all the zombies you want. I mean, they're
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Speaker 1: fentanyl zombies, but still, if you're looking for zombies, I
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Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of them for you. But guess what?
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Speaker 1: There were no zombies in Chad Daybell's world. All of that,
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Speaker 1: about as made up as the show Walking Dead. By
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Speaker 1: the fall of 2019, prosecutors argued, the couple came to
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Speaker 1: think of JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan, and Tammy Daybell as
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Speaker 1: unreachable zombies. They were considered dark, translated beings, Gibb testified. Now,
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Speaker 1: imagine you're sitting around with your friends, and they start
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Speaker 1: talking about people who are dark, translated beings, you're just
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Speaker 1: going to sit there and be like, oh, that's cool, bro.
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Speaker 1: Unless we're sitting around eating mushrooms and smoking toad venom,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear anything like that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if we're on a cool-ass acid trip or something, all right,
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Speaker 1: maybe I'll listen to you about your translated beings. But
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Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, anybody talking this kind of weird shit
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Speaker 1: should probably get slapped in the grill. After a 25-day-long trial,
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Speaker 1: the defense filed a perfunctory motion for acquittal. The resulting
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Speaker 1: hearing brought up an oddity. a deficiency in the charging document,
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Speaker 1: an incorrect date range for when the murder of JJ occurred,
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Speaker 1: that only the judge himself seemed to notice. The defense
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Speaker 1: made pains to suggest allowing the wrong dates to stand
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Speaker 1: throughout the process was part of their plan to have
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Speaker 1: one murder count dismissed. Now, remember when I told you
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Speaker 1: about loopholes and technicalities? This is exactly what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: If you give them anything, As far as the defense goes,
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Speaker 1: they will utilize it, they will maneuver, and they'll attempt
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Speaker 1: to use that as a life preserver to get their
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Speaker 1: client off. That's why it's so important that the prosecution
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Speaker 1: is on their game. The defense made pains to suggest
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Speaker 1: allowing the wrong dates to stand throughout the process was
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Speaker 1: part of their plan to have one murder count dismissed.
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Speaker 1: The state pushed back on this request. The court, however,
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Speaker 1: chalked it up simply to a clerical error. Obviously a
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Speaker 1: clerical error, okay? It was obvious that it's a clerical error,
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Speaker 1: and the attempt, while I understand what Pryor's up to,
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Speaker 1: there was no way that it was going to hit
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Speaker 1: the mark. There was no way that the judge was
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Speaker 1: going to acquiesce to this, nod his head, and be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know what? I think you got a point there, Mr. Pryor.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty in the case. The
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Speaker 1: sentencing phase of the trial begins just after 3 p.m.
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Speaker 2: On Thursday.
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Speaker 1: As in the guilt or innocence phase, 7th District Judge
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Speaker 1: Stephen Boyce will preside over the proceedings that will determine
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Speaker 1: how Daybell spends his remaining time on Earth. If the
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Speaker 1: state gets its way, that time will be spent as
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Speaker 1: the 9th inmate on Idaho's death row. Well, we could
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Speaker 1: save them the time and the effort. And you all
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Speaker 1: know how that's possible, right? Helicopters, volcanoes. If anybody deserves it,
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Speaker 1: it's Chad Daybell, especially now that he's guilty. There's no more, oh, allegedly.
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Speaker 1: There's no more, oh, he might have done it. Oh,
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Speaker 1: he might have been involved. This man's a child murderer.
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Speaker 1: He murdered his wife. And now he deserves everything that's
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Speaker 1: coming his way. All right, folks, that's going to do
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Speaker 1: it for this one. All of the information that goes
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Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.
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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the program. As
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Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial continues to move along, I remain
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Speaker 1: as convinced now as I was in the beginning that
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Speaker 1: he's going to be found guilty. There has been nothing
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Speaker 1: presented at this trial from his team or anyone involved
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Speaker 1: that would lead me to believe that Chad Daybell is
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Speaker 1: getting railroaded and that Lori Vallow is the one. who
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Speaker 1: came up with this whole entire plan and put it
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Speaker 1: into motion on her own. Of course, that's the strategy
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Speaker 1: that Pryor is attempting to use here, because he knows
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Speaker 1: that there's no other way out for Chad Daybell. But
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Speaker 1: even using this strategy of trying to lay all the
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Speaker 1: blame at Lori Vallow's feet isn't working out for him
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Speaker 1: so well, especially considering Chad Daybell's own people thought that
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Speaker 1: shit was weird, including Chad Daybell's parents. And if you
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Speaker 1: ever get to a point in your life where even
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Speaker 1: your own parents think what you're up to is straight
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Speaker 1: up batshit crazy and weird, probably a point in time
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Speaker 1: where you should reevaluate what you have going on. Because
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Speaker 1: more times than not, the people who care about you,
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Speaker 1: they want to see you do good. They don't want
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Speaker 1: to see you running around, talking bullshit, acting like a moron.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Chad Daybell was doing. So today
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Speaker 1: we have an article from the U.S. Sun and the headline,
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Speaker 1: Chilling Chad. Convicted killer Lori Vallow told husband Chad Daybell's
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Speaker 1: mom her daughter was dead months before arrest for kids murders.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Cheyenne R.
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Speaker 2: Ubiera.
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Speaker 1: Shocking court testimony has revealed a chilling conversation convicted killer
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow Daybell had with her mother-in-law about her daughter's
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Speaker 1: death months before being arrested. And they were giving off
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Speaker 1: all kinds of tells. They were telling people they had
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Speaker 1: no kids. They weren't getting an apartment that was kid-friendly,
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Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing. And everything that they did
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Speaker 1: leading up to their arrest pointed in the direction of
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Speaker 1: them being guilty.
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Speaker 2: So you give.
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Speaker 1: Probable cause to the authorities right off the jump, and
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Speaker 1: then from there, they just build their case. And it
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Speaker 1: wasn't very difficult for them to do that here once
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Speaker 1: they had all their ducks in a row, once they
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Speaker 1: understood exactly what they were dealing with, and that Lori
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Speaker 1: Vallow and Chad Daybell were disgusting animals. It didn't take
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Speaker 1: them long. But the problem was they couldn't locate those kids, right?
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Speaker 1: They didn't know if the kids were with Melanie. They
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Speaker 1: didn't know if the kids were with insert person here.
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Speaker 1: So until they figured out what was what, they were
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Speaker 1: kind of stuck in neutral. But once things got rolling,
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Speaker 1: there was no doubt that Chad Daybell and disgusting-ass Scafusa
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow were guilty of killing these kids. She was
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Speaker 1: convicted last year of the murders of her two children,
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Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan and J.J.
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Speaker 2: Vallow.
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Speaker 1: While her Doomsday author husband, Chad Daybell, is currently on
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Speaker 1: trial for his alleged role in their deaths and that
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Speaker 1: of his previous wife, Tammy. Sheila Daybell said she was
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Speaker 1: surprised to meet Lori Vallow about a month after her
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Speaker 1: former daughter-in-law, Tammy, had died, but what was more shocking
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Speaker 1: were the rings on her finger. Can you imagine your
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Speaker 1: son shows up a month after his wife dies, and
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Speaker 1: he's with some skafooza, and she's all ringed up, got
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Speaker 1: a rock on her finger, and everything's just moving along swimmingly?
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, my parents would have a few
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Speaker 1: things to say to me if I showed up at
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Speaker 1: this dinner with some rando woman after I was married
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Speaker 1: to my wife for all these years and she dies
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Speaker 1: and a month later I'm just deciding that I'm hopping
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Speaker 1: in bed with somebody else. It would not go over well.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure it wouldn't go over well with a
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Speaker 1: lot of your parents either. And I'll tell you right now,
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Speaker 1: I could see this scenario unfolding where my mom would
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Speaker 1: get up, grab me by the ear, and drag me outside.
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Speaker 1: And for those of you who know me in real
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Speaker 1: life and know my family, you know I'm not playing
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Speaker 1: around when I say that. Moms wouldn't be playing with
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Speaker 1: some shit like this. And furthermore, if you can't even
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Speaker 1: convince your parents that things are on the up and up,
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Speaker 1: how do you think you're going to convince the rest
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Speaker 1: of us? Furthermore, how do you think you're going to
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Speaker 1: convince the authorities? We noticed that they had these rings
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Speaker 1: on and my husband said, are you engaged? And they said, no,
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Speaker 1: we're married. Sheila said in an Idaho courtroom on Thursday,
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Speaker 1: May 2nd, 2024. She added that her son, Chad Daybell,
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Speaker 1: didn't tell the family he was getting married again. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: why would he? No right thinking individual, family member or not,
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Speaker 1: is going to look at what went down and be like,
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Speaker 1: you know what? This is acceptable. This is a good
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Speaker 1: way to go about things. Now, I understand that everybody
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Speaker 1: grieves differently, right? And you can't expect everybody to grieve
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Speaker 1: the same way you would or everybody to suffer the
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Speaker 1: same way you would. But this is just completely out
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Speaker 1: of character for anyone who gives a shit about their spouse.
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Speaker 1: How about the proper amount of respect, man? How about
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Speaker 1: a mourning period? How about getting your affairs in order,
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Speaker 1: making sure your kids are solid, making sure your kids
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Speaker 1: aren't predisposed to some kind of disease that might have
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Speaker 1: killed your wife? Bro didn't do any of that. Instead,
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Speaker 1: what did he do? hopped on a plane, and bounced
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Speaker 1: to Hawaii with this skafooza. Meanwhile, while him and the
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Speaker 1: skafooza are having their little dance party on the beach,
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Speaker 1: the rest of the world's out here looking for these kids.
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Speaker 1: During her meeting with Vallow, Sheila said the mother mentioned
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Speaker 1: that her previous husband died from a heart attack and
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Speaker 1: that she had a daughter, Tylee, who also died. And remember,
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Speaker 1: this is before Tylee even died. You want to talk
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Speaker 1: about premeditation? You want to talk about a conspiracy?
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Speaker 2: Here it is.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how much more do you folks need? I
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Speaker 1: think that with the first couple of weeks of testimony
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Speaker 1: that we have heard in this case, it's enough. Now,
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a ton more, obviously. We still
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Speaker 1: have a ways to go. But in my opinion, what
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Speaker 1: we've heard so far is damning and it's enough. And
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Speaker 1: I think that when all said and done, Chad Daybell
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Speaker 1: is good and fucked. Vallow, who has been sentenced to
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Speaker 1: life in prison, never mentioned her son, JJ, who disappeared
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Speaker 1: along with his sister in September 2019 before being found
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Speaker 1: in shallow graves. on Chad Daybell's property, said Sheila. So
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Speaker 1: how did they get there, Chad? Did they just show up?
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Speaker 1: Somebody dropped them off and decided, hey, you know what?
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Speaker 1: We're going to sneak onto Chad Daybell's property and we're
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Speaker 1: going to bury his new wife's kids on his property.
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Speaker 1: Does that sound like a likely scenario? Or is it
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Speaker 1: the flip side of that? And it was Chad Daybell,
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow, and Alex Cox who thought, for whatever dumbass reason,
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Speaker 1: that they'd get away with it.
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Speaker 2: And you know what?
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Speaker 1: We'll just bury these kids right here on Chad's property.
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Speaker 1: If you were a juror, which scenario would you find
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Speaker 1: more plausible? While being cross-examined by Chad's defense attorney, John Pryor,
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Speaker 1: Sheila was asked about her son's personality. Sheila said her
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Speaker 1: son kept to himself and wasn't a worldly man before
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Speaker 1: marrying Tammy. However, she described Lori as being friendly and
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Speaker 1: upbeat when they first met. He's not a worldly man?
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Speaker 1: What is this, breaking Amish? Well, he might not be
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Speaker 1: a worldly man, Ma Dukes, but I will tell you what,
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Speaker 1: he is a Stunad. change behavior. After Sheila gave her testimony,
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Speaker 1: Chad's sister-in-law, Heather Daybell, took the stand. Heather, who was
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Speaker 1: married to Chad's brother, Matt, said she saw a shift
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Speaker 1: in her brother-in-law's behavior nearly a decade ago. Starting around 2015,
18:26
Speaker 1: Chad supposedly began talking about visions he had had about
18:29
Speaker 1: the end of days coming to Utah, said Heather. He
18:32
Speaker 1: often spoke about an earthquake that would cause massive destruction.
18:37
Speaker 1: At the time, Heather was a member of the Church
18:39
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and she had concerned
18:43
Speaker 1: with Chad's views. Because in the belief system I had
18:46
Speaker 1: at the time in the LDS Church, some average person
18:49
Speaker 1: doesn't get information like that to share with others, Heather
18:52
Speaker 1: said when asked why she was worried. Breaking news, nobody
18:56
Speaker 1: gets information like that. There's no angel showing up telling
19:00
Speaker 1: anybody shit. You know, all these miracles that allegedly happened,
19:03
Speaker 1: and none of them caught on video? Pretty interesting, huh?
19:07
Speaker 1: That now that we can capture things on video, none
19:09
Speaker 1: of these miracles ever happen. It's like Bigfoot, right? All
19:12
Speaker 1: these people out here talking about, oh, Bigfoot exists. Well,
19:15
Speaker 1: how come nobody can ever get a clearer picture of Bigfoot?
19:18
Speaker 1: But somehow, everybody wants to run around talking about how
19:21
Speaker 1: Bigfoot is real. And that's the same category I put
19:24
Speaker 1: people in who are talking about seeing angels or anything else.
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Speaker 1: We have a prophet who would let us know if
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Speaker 1: we needed to prepare for something like that.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who?
19:33
Speaker 1: Who's the prophet that's gonna let you know that you
19:35
Speaker 1: need to prepare? There's no prophet out here. What's Miss
19:38
Speaker 1: Cleo showing up and telling you about the future? Whenever
19:41
Speaker 1: Heather tried to confront Chad on his beliefs, she said
19:44
Speaker 1: he wouldn't respond with anything more than a nod. Heather
19:47
Speaker 1: and Matt lived in Rexburg, Idaho, and Chad... spoke about
19:50
Speaker 1: moving closer to them, but Heather tried to get her
19:53
Speaker 1: husband to stop him. She told the jury that she
19:56
Speaker 1: had a conversation with Chad, telling him they wouldn't appreciate
19:59
Speaker 1: him living near them, so he wouldn't want to be
20:01
Speaker 1: part of the neighborhood or their church ward. Chad would
20:05
Speaker 1: end up moving about a half mile from Heather's home,
20:08
Speaker 1: she said, When she learned of Tammy's death in October 2019,
20:12
Speaker 1: Heather testified that Chad wanted to have her funeral within
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Speaker 1: two days. At the time, Heather and Matt were out
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Speaker 1: of state and asked Chad if he could push the
20:22
Speaker 1: services back. However, Heather said Chad refused their wishes and
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Speaker 1: wanted to just get it done. When she asked Chad
20:29
Speaker 1: how Tammy died, Heather testified that his responses felt scripted
20:33
Speaker 1: and during the funeral, which she and Matt attended, Chad
20:36
Speaker 1: appeared to turn his grief on and off when he wanted.
20:39
Speaker 1: Rush of emotion. Colby Ryan, 28, the only surviving son
20:43
Speaker 1: of Lori Vallow, shared that he and his wife are
20:46
Speaker 1: having their third child. His mother has already been convicted
20:50
Speaker 1: of murdering Tylee and JJ, but Chad Daybell's trial is
20:53
Speaker 1: still ongoing and is expected to last another three to
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Speaker 1: five weeks. In the meantime, Colby, an insurance broker, revealed
21:01
Speaker 1: his happy news on YouTube. He shared a video that
21:04
Speaker 1: showed the moment he and his wife Kelsey found out
21:06
Speaker 1: that they were having a baby boy. Colby said he
21:09
Speaker 1: planned on doing a different video, but he chose to
21:12
Speaker 1: capture the raw emotion from the moment. The couple immediately
21:15
Speaker 1: began to cry after receiving the news. I always wanted
21:19
Speaker 1: a boy. I always loved our girls. I'm totally a
21:22
Speaker 1: girl dad. But now I get this opportunity that almost
21:25
Speaker 1: feels like a new opportunity to be a dad, he said.
21:28
Speaker 1: I feel more blessed than I could ever tell you guys.
21:31
Speaker 1: And good for Colby Ryan and his wife. Hopefully they
21:34
Speaker 1: can find a little bit of happiness within all of
21:36
Speaker 1: this madness. And as much as I've talked about how
21:40
Speaker 1: I find it weird and out of pocket for his
21:44
Speaker 1: little sister to be giving him money, that doesn't mean
21:47
Speaker 1: I don't have any sympathy or compassion for what bro
21:49
Speaker 1: went through. Lost his little sister, his little brother, mom's
21:53
Speaker 1: in prison forever. So certainly not something that is enjoyable
21:57
Speaker 1: and certainly something I have a lot of compassion for.
22:01
Speaker 1: I just find the whole relationship with Tylee a bit weird,
22:04
Speaker 1: that's all. But I have to tell myself that everybody
22:06
Speaker 1: has different ways of having relationships with their siblings or
22:10
Speaker 1: their friends or whatever, and I can't use my own
22:13
Speaker 1: worldview to paint a picture for everybody else. So I
22:17
Speaker 1: try to remain cognizant of that, but I'd be a
22:19
Speaker 1: liar if I told you I didn't find it odd.
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Speaker 1: There's just no way in the world, unless I was
22:25
Speaker 1: literally about to die or something, that I'd be asking
22:27
Speaker 1: my little sister for any money. But in the grand
22:30
Speaker 1: scheme of things, that's just a little small part of
22:32
Speaker 1: this story, right? And really, it doesn't even mean much.
22:35
Speaker 1: What really matters is that Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell, both
22:40
Speaker 1: get punished for what they did. And in my opinion,
22:43
Speaker 1: I think Chad Daybell should get the maximum sentence. And
22:46
Speaker 1: in this case, the maximum sentence is a trip to
22:49
Speaker 1: the hangman's noose. All of the information that goes with
22:54
Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. Everyone
22:57
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about a newly unearthed video of Chad
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Speaker 1: Daybell giving a very, very bizarre speech at one of
23:10
Speaker 1: those conferences they all went to called Preparing a People.
23:14
Speaker 1: And you can tell just from this speech that this
23:18
Speaker 1: dude is absolutely selling that snake oil. But people suck
23:23
Speaker 1: it up. There's a lot of people out there that
23:26
Speaker 1: are willing to believe a lot of crazy, wacky-ass shit.
23:31
Speaker 1: And every time we have a situation such as this,
23:34
Speaker 1: it just goes to show us how crazy and how
23:38
Speaker 1: easily led some people in our society are. Today's article
23:42
Speaker 1: is from thedailymail.com and the headline, A Warning of What's Coming.
23:48
Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's bizarre apocalypse speech noting Kim Jong-un and natural
23:53
Speaker 1: disasters as proof of impending doom resurfaces as his wife
23:57
Speaker 1: Lori Vallow stands trial for murdering her children. This article
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Speaker 1: was authored by Will Potter. There's always been natural disasters
24:07
Speaker 1: and there's always been crazy people on the world stage
24:11
Speaker 1: like Kim Jong-un. That's not proof that any apocalypse is coming.
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Speaker 1: It's not any proof of anything whatsoever. Bizarre footage of
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Speaker 1: suspected murderer and doomsday cult fantasist Chad Daybell speaking at
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Speaker 1: a Utah religious conference in 2017 has been unearthed as
24:29
Speaker 1: his wife Lori Vallow stands trial for murdering her two children. Daybell,
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Speaker 1: who is also facing murderer charges, pointed to North Korean
24:38
Speaker 1: dictator Kim Jong-un, along with recent natural disasters, including earthquakes
24:43
Speaker 1: and floods, as signs of an impending apocalypse. or maybe
24:47
Speaker 1: just the world doing what the world does. You know, earthquakes, floods, weather.
24:53
Speaker 1: That's what happens. And as far as Kim Jong-un goes,
24:56
Speaker 1: that's who you point to? I mean, that's the best
24:59
Speaker 1: fantasy boogeyman you can come up with? You couldn't give
25:02
Speaker 1: us somebody else? There's no hidden antichrist somewhere or something
25:05
Speaker 1: like that? Kind of disappointed in Chad Dumbbell. The religious zealot,
25:10
Speaker 1: who claims to have several near-death experiences that gave him
25:14
Speaker 1: powers of prediction... took the stage at a prepping a
25:17
Speaker 1: people event where he warned of what is coming. Well,
25:21
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that his perception and his power of prediction
25:27
Speaker 1: couldn't help him predict that his bitch ass would be
25:29
Speaker 1: sitting in a jail cell. You want a prediction, Chad Daybell?
25:33
Speaker 1: And this isn't coming from the angel Maroney either. My
25:36
Speaker 1: prediction is your bitch ass is getting the death penalty.
25:41
Speaker 1: It seems as though I have been waiting for 20
25:43
Speaker 1: years for something to happen, he said. I write all
25:46
Speaker 1: these novels and people are like, when's it going to start?
25:50
Speaker 1: After rattling off a series of recent events as symptoms
25:54
Speaker 1: of the doomsday scenario, the former gravedigger suggested the end
25:58
Speaker 1: was near. We can prepare ourselves to survive the trials
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Speaker 1: that are coming, he added. You better worry about surviving
26:05
Speaker 1: your day to day once you get to prison, buddy.
26:08
Speaker 1: Never mind the end of the world. The apocalypse is
26:10
Speaker 1: coming for you and it's coming very soon. Daybell is
26:15
Speaker 1: set to face murder charges over the deaths of Vallow's children, JJ, 7,
26:20
Speaker 1: and Tylee, 16. The children's badly decomposed remains were found
26:24
Speaker 1: buried in the backyard of his Idaho property in June
26:28
Speaker 1: of 2020. And obviously, he has no good reason why
26:32
Speaker 1: those children's bodies would be found on his property. Now,
26:35
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what he's going to say during his trial.
26:38
Speaker 1: My guess is he's going to try and blame it
26:40
Speaker 1: all on Lori Vallow and on Alex Cox. That's my guess.
26:45
Speaker 1: Chad Daybell doesn't strike me as the type to take
26:48
Speaker 1: responsibility for anything. Anyone who gets out here and tells
26:51
Speaker 1: you they're a prophet or they're talking to God, you
26:55
Speaker 1: gotta know that that person who is telling you that
26:58
Speaker 1: is an absolute bullshit artist. He allegedly carried out the
27:04
Speaker 1: killings as part of an outlandish theory that the second
27:07
Speaker 1: coming of Christ was imminent, during which only 144,000 chosen
27:10
Speaker 1: souls would survive. Both he and Vallow allegedly began a
27:17
Speaker 1: campaign of murder, which also included their former spouses, after
27:21
Speaker 1: becoming obsessed with the idea of light and dark souls.
27:27
Speaker 1: Daybell claimed to have established a bizarre rating system with
27:31
Speaker 1: those seen as having a dark soul considered to have
27:34
Speaker 1: become zombies. Two years before the children were killed in 2019,
27:40
Speaker 1: Daybell gave a wavering speech at a religious conference where
27:44
Speaker 1: he muddled through a bizarre PowerPoint presentation that warned of
27:48
Speaker 1: the end of days. No, there's no doubt. He was
27:51
Speaker 1: on point, folks, okay? He was on point about the
27:54
Speaker 1: end of days. The thing is, though, what he didn't
27:57
Speaker 1: tell us was that he was talking about himself. Because
28:00
Speaker 1: the end of his days, they're certainly on the horizon.
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Speaker 1: First bringing up an image of a recently flooded religious
28:07
Speaker 1: temple in Texas, Daybell said, Doesn't it really feel like,
28:11
Speaker 1: in the last two or three weeks, the eclipse is
28:14
Speaker 1: a sign of a warning of what's coming?
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Speaker 2: No, it's not.
28:18
Speaker 1: An eclipse happens because that's the way it works, okay?
28:21
Speaker 1: There's no kind of mythical element to it. There's no
28:25
Speaker 1: red comet streaking across the sky, warning us of the
28:29
Speaker 1: doom to come. All we have here are a bunch
28:32
Speaker 1: of lies and a man who plays on people who
28:35
Speaker 1: are weak-minded and easily manipulated. Listing off several other reasons
28:41
Speaker 1: the apocalypse may be looming, the doomsday author made a
28:44
Speaker 1: sharp segue to North Korea. They're going a little nuts
28:48
Speaker 1: right now, he said. Kim Jong-un seems to be intent
28:51
Speaker 1: on causing havoc in the world. No question about it
28:54
Speaker 1: with him. Oh, so Chad Daybell is a great and
28:57
Speaker 1: sharp geopolitical mind as well, huh? The absolute epitome of
29:02
Speaker 1: a renaissance man over here. Even as we speak, Hurricane
29:05
Speaker 1: Irma is on its way to Florida, he continued. The
29:08
Speaker 1: earthquake in Mexico, but I didn't get it on the
29:11
Speaker 1: PowerPoint as it just happened. The fires in California and Montana,
29:16
Speaker 1: it just feels like times are starting to begin. Or maybe,
29:20
Speaker 1: just maybe, some jerk-off was playing with matches and set
29:24
Speaker 1: the forest on fire. Perhaps that's what happened. Daybell, who
29:28
Speaker 1: ultimately predicted the end times would occur in July of 2020...
29:32
Speaker 1: And during the speech, he brought up an image of
29:35
Speaker 1: Woody Harrelson from the disaster movie 2020. Here's one of
29:40
Speaker 1: my new favorite characters, he said, because this is how
29:43
Speaker 1: people think I act. That's honestly how my relatives think
29:47
Speaker 1: I acted the last five years.
29:50
Speaker 2: But he was right, he added. No, he wasn't, okay?
29:53
Speaker 1: If he was right, you'd be sitting in your little
29:56
Speaker 1: cabin up there in Rexburg leading your 144,000 people into
30:01
Speaker 1: whatever world you were talking about instead of sitting in
30:05
Speaker 1: your jail cell waiting for the state of Idaho to
30:07
Speaker 1: pass the death penalty on you. Daybell, who often spoke
30:12
Speaker 1: of readying people for outlandish theories of the end of civilization,
30:17
Speaker 1: concluded his speech by saying, we can prepare ourselves to
30:20
Speaker 1: survive through these trials that are coming. And that's the
30:23
Speaker 1: whole reason you're here right now. I know that the
30:26
Speaker 1: spirit has guided you and prompted you that you have
30:30
Speaker 1: a role to play. It might be by baby steps,
30:32
Speaker 1: but you're going to get there eventually. Seems to me
30:36
Speaker 1: that Chad Daybell used this religion as a vehicle for
30:39
Speaker 1: him to get to people who are easily manipulated so
30:43
Speaker 1: that he could larp out his fantasies of being a prophet.
30:48
Speaker 1: Daybell's murder trial is set to commence at a later
30:50
Speaker 1: date after a judge separated his case from Vallow's, but
30:55
Speaker 1: He has been a central figure in his wife's hearing
30:57
Speaker 1: this month. On the fourth day of the harrowing trial,
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Speaker 1: it emerged that Daybell delivered a telling blessing to thank
31:04
Speaker 1: Vallow's brother, Alex Cox, after he allegedly helped murder her
31:08
Speaker 1: two children. Alex Cox, who also shot dead Vallow's former husband,
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Speaker 1: was told he had assisted us in ways that cannot
31:16
Speaker 1: be repaid. Jurors were played a 15-minute recording of the
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Speaker 1: patriarchal blessing, in which Daybell falsely claimed to be a
31:25
Speaker 1: member of the priesthood. He described Cox as a great
31:28
Speaker 1: warrior who was selected to help protect your sister. You
31:31
Speaker 1: have already assisted us in ways that can never be repaid,
31:35
Speaker 1: but you will continue to do so as you move
31:37
Speaker 1: forward in this life, Daybell said, and we know what
31:40
Speaker 1: he meant by that. Getting rid of those kids, and
31:43
Speaker 1: I stand by that. I truly believe that it was
31:45
Speaker 1: Alex Cox who carried this out at the command of
31:49
Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. Now, it's up for debate
31:53
Speaker 1: who was there at the time that these kids were killed,
31:56
Speaker 1: but for me there is zero doubt that they were
31:59
Speaker 1: all part of a conspiracy, a premeditated conspiracy, to kill
32:03
Speaker 1: those children, to kill Tammy Daybell, and to kill Charles Vallow.
32:09
Speaker 1: In another piece of damning testimony, Vallow's former best friend
32:12
Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb took to the stand while a 15-minute recording
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Speaker 1: of a phone conversation between the two and Daybell was
32:19
Speaker 1: played to the court. During the call, Vallow hauntingly insists
32:23
Speaker 1: that her son JJ was safe and happy. Months after,
32:26
Speaker 1: she allegedly partnered with her doomsday cult husband to murder
32:30
Speaker 1: the boy. Gibb claimed that Daybell previously called her and
32:34
Speaker 1: instructed her not to talk to police if they contacted
32:37
Speaker 1: her about the missing children. Vallow also makes the chilling
32:42
Speaker 1: claim that she could reveal her son's whereabouts, but that
32:46
Speaker 1: would not be good for JJ. Several months later, the
32:49
Speaker 1: little boy's badly decomposed body was found buried near his
32:53
Speaker 1: sister's remains in Daybell's backyard. So explain it away, Lori.
32:57
Speaker 1: We're all waiting for you to explain to us how
33:00
Speaker 1: this happened. I thought JJ was safe. I thought he
33:04
Speaker 1: was somewhere where he was happy and there was nothing
33:06
Speaker 1: wrong with him. Meanwhile, this little boy and his sister
33:10
Speaker 1: were buried in the backyard on the property where you
33:14
Speaker 1: put your head down on your pillow every night to
33:16
Speaker 1: go to sleep. It doesn't get more vile than that, folks.
33:20
Speaker 1: And if there's any justice left in this world, then
33:23
Speaker 1: Lori Vallow Daybell and Chad Daybell will both be found
33:27
Speaker 1: guilty for these crimes. And Lori Vallow, she'll spend the
33:30
Speaker 1: rest of her life in prison. Meanwhile, Chad Daybell, well,
33:34
Speaker 1: if he's convicted, he certainly has a date with the executioner.
33:39
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
33:42
Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
33:44
Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
33:49
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. According to a new article
33:54
Speaker 1: in the Daily Mail, there are people in Rexburg, Idaho,
33:59
Speaker 1: who still believe that Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are innocent,
34:03
Speaker 1: and some of those people are in Chad Daybell's family. Now, look,
34:08
Speaker 1: I get it, right? I want to believe that my
34:10
Speaker 1: family members... are.
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Speaker 2: Innocent as well.
34:13
Speaker 1: I want to believe that the people I know, the
34:15
Speaker 1: people I hang out with, aren't capable of doing something
34:18
Speaker 1: like this. However, when the facts are presented to you
34:22
Speaker 1: in the way that they have been presented to us
34:25
Speaker 1: in the past two weeks, can look at Chad Daybell
34:28
Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow and the information we have received and
34:31
Speaker 1: say to themselves, you know what? I think Chad Daybell
34:34
Speaker 1: is innocent and Lori Vallow, she's innocent too. I have
34:38
Speaker 1: no idea if how anyone can arrive at that destination.
34:43
Speaker 1: But according to this article, that's where some people are
34:46
Speaker 1: camping out. So let's dive into this article from the
34:50
Speaker 1: Daily Mail and let's see what Lewis Pennock has for us. Headline,
34:56
Speaker 1: inside the Mormon city at the center of Lori Vallow's
35:00
Speaker 1: doomsday cult. Rexburg is where her murdered children's mutilated bodies
35:04
Speaker 1: were found. Yet Chad Daybell's family still live next to
35:08
Speaker 1: the graves and some claim he's innocent. Now that's grisly.
35:12
Speaker 1: How many of you out there would be staying on
35:14
Speaker 1: this property, your dad's property, if these were the allegations
35:18
Speaker 1: that were out there, and not just allegations, but actual
35:22
Speaker 1: bodies and the remains of these children were found on
35:24
Speaker 1: the property as well? Would you be staying there, sleeping
35:27
Speaker 1: there every night? I know I wouldn't be. I'd be
35:30
Speaker 1: as far away from this property as possible. For years,
35:34
Speaker 1: the small Mormon enclave of Rexburg in East Idaho has
35:38
Speaker 1: proudly dubbed itself America's Family Community, a slogan that's emblazoned
35:44
Speaker 1: on municipal buildings around the city as a symbol of
35:47
Speaker 1: its fierce embrace of traditional values. But in 2019, that
35:52
Speaker 1: reputation was upended and the little-known community gained national attention
35:58
Speaker 1: for another reason, the epicenter of a murderous cult which
36:02
Speaker 1: shocked America. And that is an understatement. Whenever you have
36:06
Speaker 1: all of the elements to a story that are present
36:08
Speaker 1: in the Lori Vallow case, well, you're going to have
36:11
Speaker 1: a feeding frenzy when it comes to the media and
36:15
Speaker 1: the interest of the public. Lori Vallow, a blonde beauty
36:19
Speaker 1: pageant winning mom from California, allegedly murdered her two children,
36:24
Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan, 16, and Joshua Jackson, J.J. Vallow, 7. Vallow
36:30
Speaker 1: and her husband, doomsday obsessed author Chad Daybell, were convinced
36:34
Speaker 1: the children were zombies and they were possessed by evil spirits.
36:39
Speaker 1: And I think one of the unsettling questions that has
36:41
Speaker 1: to be asked is how many other people in this
36:44
Speaker 1: community or people who were hanging out with Chad Daybell
36:48
Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow have these same.
36:50
Speaker 2: Kinds of beliefs.
36:52
Speaker 1: Their mutilated bodies, Tylee's burned beyond recognition, and JJ's bound
36:57
Speaker 1: in trash bags and duct tape, were buried in shallow
37:00
Speaker 1: graves at Daybell's yard. on the fringes of Rexburg. Valo,
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Speaker 1: whose murder trial began on April 10th, and Daybell told
37:08
Speaker 1: followers that they were chosen by God to lead 144,000
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Speaker 1: humans through the second coming of Jesus Christ. And Rexburg
37:17
Speaker 1: was the sanctuary where warriors and soldiers would gather. And
37:22
Speaker 1: during next week's game of Dungeons and Dragons, is this
37:25
Speaker 1: guy for real? I got your 144,000 people right here, pal.
37:30
Speaker 1: The fallout in Rexburg is a town desperate to shake
37:33
Speaker 1: off its newfound infamy, but still gripped by the troubling
37:37
Speaker 1: case whose central figures were once friends, neighbors, and fellow worshipers.
37:43
Speaker 1: City leaders talk publicly about the desire to find justice
37:46
Speaker 1: and move on, while locals watch screenings of Vallow's trial
37:50
Speaker 1: in the Fremont County Courthouse and gossip over the chilling
37:54
Speaker 1: but captivating testimony. Look, I don't even think it's captivating
37:57
Speaker 1: at this point. I cannot wait for all of this
38:00
Speaker 1: testimony to be over and done with. Of all of
38:03
Speaker 1: the things we've covered here, this has been one of
38:05
Speaker 1: the most grisly, sustained testimonies recounting what happened in such
38:11
Speaker 1: a graphic manner that I think we have ever covered.
38:15
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, whenever there's children involved, it
38:18
Speaker 1: adds that other layer, right? That other layer of vileness,
38:22
Speaker 1: that other layer of anger. And talking about Daybell and
38:27
Speaker 1: Lori Vallow, I don't know how anybody can't feel that,
38:31
Speaker 1: that rage, that anger. But there's some people in this
38:34
Speaker 1: community who still think that these two are innocent of
38:38
Speaker 1: these crimes. Behind closed doors, there is soul-searching about Vallow
38:44
Speaker 1: and Daybell's manipulation of the Mormon faith, which an estimated
38:48
Speaker 1: 95% of the town's 33,500 people subscribe to. And what's
38:54
Speaker 1: perhaps more jarring, it's said there is still a small,
38:57
Speaker 1: underground sect who refuse to believe Daybell, once viewed as
39:01
Speaker 1: nothing more than a weird but faithful follower of Christ,
39:05
Speaker 1: is guilty. Peggy Jepsen, a local who helps maintain a
39:09
Speaker 1: memorial wall for JJ and Tylee beside the Daybell property, said,
39:14
Speaker 1: I hope there isn't skepticism anymore.
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Speaker 2: I hope not.
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Speaker 1: But I wonder because even now there are people that
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Speaker 1: just don't want to discuss it, just really choose to
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Speaker 1: believe that he isn't what he's accused of being. Isn't
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Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance fun? Jefferson, a grandmother with two adult sons,
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Speaker 1: lives with her husband in a tidy rural bungalow just
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Speaker 1: a couple of miles from the Daybell property. Like many
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Speaker 1: families in Rexburg, their home is decorated with symbols of
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Speaker 1: their faith. She recalled the heartbreaking morning of June 9th, 2020,
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Speaker 1: when Tylee and JJ's remains were unearthed in Daybell's backyard. Horrifying, disgusting, disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Jeppesen said, I cannot believe that someone in our community
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Speaker 1: that is supposed to be a follower of Jesus Christ
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Speaker 1: and a faithful believer in God could possibly be any
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Speaker 1: part of murdering those children. They slaughtered them, allegedly from
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Speaker 1: what we're hearing. And it's right there. There's proof in
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Speaker 1: the ground.
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Speaker 2: She is not wrong.
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Speaker 1: There is proof right there in the ground, and everything
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Speaker 1: that the prosecutors have told us so far has been
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Speaker 1: backed up, at least in my opinion, by very, very
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Speaker 1: strong testimony by the witnesses that the prosecution has brought forward.
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Speaker 1: The case gained national attention in December of 2019, six
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Speaker 1: months before the discovery, when Rexburg Police Department and the
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Speaker 1: FBI issued an appeal to locate Tylee and JJ, who
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Speaker 1: had not been seen since September. The appeal hinted their
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Speaker 1: disappearance was linked to the death of Daybell's wife, Tammy, 49,
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Speaker 1: in October. Daybell had married Vallow on a beach in
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Speaker 1: Hawaii just weeks later. The perplexing case was further compounded
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Speaker 1: by the fact that Vallow's former husband, Charles, was shot
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Speaker 1: dead by her brother in mysterious circumstances months earlier. Jefferson
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Speaker 1: would ask people in Rexburg, Tylee and JJ are not
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Speaker 1: being found, what's going on? Some would put their hands up,
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Speaker 1: physically put their hands up and say, don't even go
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Speaker 1: there with me. Chad would never. Chad is the most amazing,
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Speaker 1: strong individual. He's so faithful in the gospel. There is
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Speaker 1: no way he is or he would have anything to
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Speaker 1: do with any of this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, OK, sure.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the evidence is as high as Mount Everest. Another
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Speaker 1: local who has followed the trial in Madison County Courthouse
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Speaker 1: said those who remain loyal to Daybell have gone underground,
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Speaker 1: as they should go live in shame. Anybody who is
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Speaker 1: supporting Chad Daybell should probably get hit in the face
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Speaker 1: with a shovel right along with him. Janine Harrop Hansen,
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Speaker 1: a close friend of JJ's grandparents, who was born and
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Speaker 1: raised in Rexburg, said, as the story unfolded, no one
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Speaker 1: could believe what was happening in this small town of Rexburg.
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Speaker 2: We were all going, what?
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Speaker 1: We thought the national news in Rexburg, we've got children
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Speaker 1: missing and their bodies were found in Chad's backyard. This
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Speaker 1: beautiful young lady was mutilated. I mean, nothing happens like
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Speaker 1: this in Rexburg, Idaho. It's a place where you felt
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Speaker 1: safe and secure. Imagine Rexburg, Moscow. Talk about something in
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Speaker 1: the water up in Idaho lately. Daybell had drawn a
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Speaker 1: handful of followers to Rexburg after he moved there with
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Speaker 1: his family in 2004. He lured them with fantastical tales
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Speaker 1: about near-death experiences which brought visits from God. The author,
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Speaker 1: who self-published more than 20 books, would test people by
42:43
Speaker 1: drip-feeding them his warped views. Those who believed him were
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Speaker 1: sucked in further by increasingly deranged ideas like that J.J.
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Speaker 1: and Tylee were possessed. How the hell do you get
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Speaker 1: sucked in by this guy?
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Speaker 2: Come on!
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Speaker 1: Dude doesn't have any charisma, he's goofy looking, dresses like
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Speaker 1: a moron. What exactly is this guy pitching to you
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Speaker 1: that makes you want to believe what he has to say? Oh,
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Speaker 1: I had a near-death experience. I had God visit me
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Speaker 1: after I hit my head. No, Chad, what happened was this.
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Speaker 1: You hit your head, you got a concussion, now you
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Speaker 1: have CTE. It has bothered me how many people have
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Speaker 1: moved here to be near Chad. The rumbling of that
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Speaker 1: is unreal, Jefferson said. He clearly had a hold on people.
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Speaker 1: Hansen added, when I'm in conversation with people that I
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Speaker 1: grew up with, we just go, how did he take
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Speaker 1: our religion and justify zombies and murdering children?
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's easy.
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Speaker 1: Anytime you're using religion as a basis for your nonsense,
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Speaker 1: you're going to be able to convince some people because
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Speaker 1: of their zealotry. And a great example of that is
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Speaker 1: militant Islam. That is exactly what they do. They play
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Speaker 1: on people's fears, they play on people's faith, and then
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Speaker 1: they manipulate them to do what they want them to do.
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Speaker 1: And it's the same premise that was used here by
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Speaker 1: Chad Daybell. People who knew Chad Daybell in Rexburg, where
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Speaker 1: he moved in 2014 with his wife of 28 years
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Speaker 1: and their five children, described him as weird and different.
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Speaker 1: His circle of friends dwindled as he turned crazy, said
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Speaker 1: one acquaintance. The acquaintance said he even broke up with
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Speaker 1: his ex-girlfriend because of her obsession with the case. Daybell, 54,
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Speaker 1: maintains his innocence despite a mountain of damning evidence, and
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Speaker 1: he will stand trial for the murders of JJ, Tylee,
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Speaker 1: and Tammy at a date to be confirmed. He met
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Speaker 1: Vallow at a Preparing a People conference in Utah in 2018,
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Speaker 1: and they immediately hit it off. They flirted at Daybell's
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Speaker 1: stall at the Doomsday Prepper conference as he told her
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Speaker 1: they'd been married in several previous lives. That would be
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Speaker 1: a cool-ass documentary. Go to this conference undercover and just
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Speaker 1: go and experience what all of these jackholes are carrying
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Speaker 1: on about. Thalo drank the Kool-Aid, and over time, their
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Speaker 1: beliefs went from deluded to downright evil. They gathered a
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Speaker 1: small group of followers who Daybell told he had been
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Speaker 1: visited by the Heavenly Father, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.
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Speaker 1: Some of their Alakites, who were told they had powers,
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Speaker 1: moved to Rexburg to be close to him. He would
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Speaker 1: have been spiritually the highest of anybody. Vallow was his
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Speaker 1: companion and therefore put her in the same spiritual standing.
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Speaker 1: Former friend Zulema Pastanis told Vallow's trial. Melanie Gibb, a
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Speaker 1: former member of Vallow and Daybell's inner circle, said Vallow
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Speaker 1: felt she was part of the 144,000. She felt that
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Speaker 1: they were the head leaders of it. Throughout the saga,
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Speaker 1: Daybell's most loyal backers have been his five adult children.
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Speaker 1: who spoke out together in 2021 to protest his innocence
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Speaker 1: and claim he was manipulated by Vallow. Their strongest show
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Speaker 1: of support has undoubtedly been the choice to remain at
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Speaker 1: his property after the bodies were found. Daybell's lawyer reportedly
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Speaker 1: has a lien on the home and it's been rented
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Speaker 1: back to the family. Can you imagine staying there? Like,
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Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? And to be an adult
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Speaker 1: and still try and cover for your dad when you
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Speaker 1: know that this shit right here happened? That makes you
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Speaker 1: a vile son of a bitch as well, in my opinion.
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
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Speaker 1: Daybell's daughter, Emma Murray, her husband, and their young children
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Speaker 1: currently occupy the property where Tylee and JJ were buried
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Speaker 1: in the yard. Today, just yards from the murdered children's
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Speaker 1: shallow graves, toys and strollers are strewn across the land.
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Speaker 1: A tree swing is fastened. close to where the family
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Speaker 1: keep chickens and grow vegetables. On the porch, a large
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Speaker 1: sign warns off the media. Hansen sees the family from
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Speaker 1: time to time when she goes to maintain the tributes.
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Speaker 1: I've tried to talk to them and you know, they
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Speaker 1: don't want to talk to people. I don't blame them,
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Speaker 1: she said. The Daybell family have made it quite clear
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Speaker 1: they don't intend to attend any of Vallow's trial, which
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Speaker 1: is expected to conclude in mid to late May. And
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Speaker 1: that's crazy. Chad Daybell's family actually thinks that Lori Vallow
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Speaker 1: is the one who manipulated him? Now, don't get it twisted.
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow is a vile, disgusting beast, and she deserves
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Speaker 1: her fair share. But it was Chad Daybell and his
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Speaker 1: LARP that really got the ball rolling here. Jeppesen said
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Speaker 1: she has interpreted them to be standoffish, not wanting much
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Speaker 1: to do with the community. And maybe, rightfully so, you know,
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Speaker 1: perhaps they feel villainized or something that their father did this.
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Speaker 1: Daybell's son Garth, who bears an uncanny resemblance to his father,
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Speaker 1: poor guy, teaches at a school in the area. One
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Speaker 1: parent said their children has found him to be a
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Speaker 1: good teacher with fun classes. Unsurprisingly, the case involving his
47:46
Speaker 1: father has never been mentioned. Meanwhile, the Daybell name itself
47:52
Speaker 1: has become a red flag in Rexburg, and his children
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Speaker 1: have faced abuse and even death threats.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's not right. Nobody should do that.
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Speaker 1: Nobody should be threatening anyone's kids because what the father did. Now,
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Speaker 1: criticism is one thing, but threats or violence, that's a
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Speaker 1: completely different realm and nobody should ever engage in that.
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Speaker 1: Rexburg Mayor Jerry Merrill said, I think overall, we're trying
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Speaker 1: to be understanding of the family and understanding of what
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Speaker 1: they are going through. And trying to just do what
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Speaker 1: we can to be helpful to them so that they
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Speaker 1: can kind of put their lives back together a little
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Speaker 1: bit too. And not to be too judgmental of them.
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Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Again, look, I'm only talking about
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Speaker 1: the family members that are still backing Chad Daybell. And
48:36
Speaker 1: living on that property, that's straight up gross. I don't
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Speaker 1: care how you chop it. The memorial and the Daybell
48:42
Speaker 1: house are among a handful of locations in Rexburg which
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Speaker 1: have become a magnet for true crime fans. The Daybell
48:49
Speaker 1: address is listed on a website called Morbid Tourism. A
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Speaker 1: suburban apartment in Rexburg where Vallow lived when her children
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Speaker 1: were murdered also attracts thrill seekers. Cops searching for JJ
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Speaker 1: and Tylee raided the address in November of 2019 and
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Speaker 1: and found a jarring combination of guns, knives, and children's
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Speaker 1: toys scattered about the place. A woman who now lives
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Speaker 1: at the rented home with her young family said she
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Speaker 1: only learned about its history when someone showed up several
49:20
Speaker 1: weeks after they moved in and asked if they could
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Speaker 1: come inside and take pictures. I'm trying to make it
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Speaker 1: a nice place for my family to live. I don't
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Speaker 1: really want to be associated with her or that. I
49:31
Speaker 1: don't like it at all, the woman said, who initially
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Speaker 1: considered moving out.
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Speaker 2: I'd have to move out. I couldn't live there. All
49:37
Speaker 2: the people showing up. Screw that. No way. It's been
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Speaker 2: a really, really sweet neighborhood to be in.
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Speaker 1: I did not love finding out about that. I was
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Speaker 1: actually just blindsided. I felt so sick about it, just
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Speaker 1: being in Rexburg. The woman's sentiment is one shared by
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Speaker 1: many in Rexburg, a city sickened by the murders of Tammy, JJ,
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Speaker 1: and Ty Lee, but determined to move on. Mayor Merrill said,
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Speaker 1: We haven't loved having Rexburg to be in the spotlight
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Speaker 1: for this. I think the citizens are ready to have
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Speaker 1: this done. have the trial over and move on and
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Speaker 1: not be the center of worldwide attention. Hansen, whose grandfather
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Speaker 1: homesteaded the land around Rexburg in the 1800s, added, We
50:20
Speaker 1: will be in Rexburg where this tragedy has happened, but
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Speaker 1: we will be in Rexburg that has continued to survive
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Speaker 1: and thrive. And good for the town, right? I mean,
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Speaker 1: they have to move on at some point. But anybody
50:32
Speaker 1: who's hiding out in that town, who still believes that
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Speaker 1: Chad Daybell is innocent, and that Lori Vallow is innocent,
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Speaker 1: should really give themselves a slap in the face. Because
50:41
Speaker 1: in my opinion, we're just going through the motions right
50:43
Speaker 1: now as far as Lori Vallow's trial. I think that
50:46
Speaker 1: the testimony from the first two weeks is strong enough
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Speaker 1: to convict her. So from my seat over here in
50:51
Speaker 1: the peanut gallery, I have no idea how they plan
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Speaker 1: to get her off. But one thing I do know
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Speaker 1: is we'll be following along as the trial continues, and
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Speaker 1: as the state of Idaho works towards convicting Lori Vallow
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Speaker 1: of murder. All right, folks, all of the information that
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