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Best of Chuck & Buck 6-8 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 4: You got out of hell?
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  Speaker 1: We've got them all, guys, where.
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  Speaker 5: The action never stopped? Are you writing this down?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: Something complete? This is Chucking buck in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: What's up?
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  Speaker 4: Why you people are beyond Let's.
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  Speaker 1: Go, Let's get the game off. Hey, good morning, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome in to the radio show. It is Chucking Back
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  Speaker 1: in the Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k
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  Speaker 1: j R FM, Heronic glorious Monday here in Seattle, Washington.
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  Speaker 1: We welcome you to our four hour radio program. And
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  Speaker 1: when I do say we, I mean Ashley Ryan and myself.
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Jacobson is still out on medical leave, and so
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  Speaker 1: we roll on here on this Monday morning. We hope
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  Speaker 1: you all had a great weekend. You're off to a
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  Speaker 1: great start this morning, and we got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: topics to get to.
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  Speaker 4: Ashley, good morning too, you good to see you, Good morning,
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  Speaker 4: Good to see you. How are your a couple of
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  Speaker 4: days off?
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  Speaker 1: They were good, very good, very good. Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that I didn't go out of town or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. I just kind of enjoyed. It's amazing how
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  Speaker 1: long days are and how much you can get done
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  Speaker 1: when you don't have to carve out like eleven hours
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  Speaker 1: per day for sports.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I still watched sports, and I still enjoyed sports,
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  Speaker 1: but like it was just kind of on my time
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  Speaker 1: and on my schedule and so so yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot accomplished over those two days. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, I didn't feel like I was
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  Speaker 1: gone for four days. When I pulled into my parking
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  Speaker 1: spot today, it felt like, oh I was just here.
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  Speaker 1: So it went fast, I'll tell you that much.
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  Speaker 4: It always does. The free time always flies by.
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  Speaker 1: How are things? How did Thursday and Friday go? I
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  Speaker 1: heard a little bit of it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was good. We had Dick Fainnan on Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that was terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know right, that guy. We had Greg Bell
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  Speaker 4: on Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Did he work a double? No?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, he came in and did this,
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  Speaker 4: and then Chris Crawford did his show.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I see okay, yeah, so Chris Crawford will make
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  Speaker 1: you jump, Daddy Mac will make you jump. Yeah, well, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so good. But it all went well. Place didn't burn down?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, no, pretty obvious.
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  Speaker 4: We're still here. Which place not burning down is not
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  Speaker 4: always an obvious all jump?
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  Speaker 1: True, that's true. I did hear there were some electrical
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  Speaker 1: issues again.
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  Speaker 3: That part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ian's show went down, went dark bike on Maybe
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  Speaker 1: that was Wednesday. I don't remember. When you're off, just
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting high on life. Things just run together
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  Speaker 1: like that's the only thing you were getting high on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Aaron Rodgers and I.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, now Oscar retreat YEP.
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  Speaker 1: That's you got me, nailed me. That's what happened. I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to keep that. Boy, it only took three
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  Speaker 1: and a half minutes. I was trying to keep that
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  Speaker 1: time from that all over my eyes. I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna save that for OPQ and instead now
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  Speaker 1: it's out, cats out of the bag. Well, good morning
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  Speaker 1: to you, Welcome into the show. It is strange. My
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  Speaker 1: birthday was Thursday, which I don't normally promote, but because
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  Speaker 1: of the Colin Ray concert, we ended up making like
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  Speaker 1: a thing out of it. And so yeah, I got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of birthday love, including a terrific party thrown
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  Speaker 1: to me by Arden, who is our sales manager here
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  Speaker 1: and she's awesome and went out of her way to
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  Speaker 1: make Anders and I the birthday boys feel special last Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to do on air thank her for that,
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  Speaker 1: But I also want to shame her because now, thanks
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  Speaker 1: to her and Ashley, Ryan and Jenny, we now have
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  Speaker 1: floating fake heads of mine floating around the office.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, AI generated chuck images, yes this one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Bucky ones have been floating around for
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  Speaker 1: months and they have not gone away, so I have
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  Speaker 1: something to compare it to. So Arden makes like these
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  Speaker 1: little fat head things of baby pictures and stuff that
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  Speaker 1: she can get her hands on, and so BUCkies still
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  Speaker 1: are all over the place. So now I come to
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  Speaker 1: work today and I'm reminded that I have my own
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  Speaker 1: fat heads. But mine are a little different because mine
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  Speaker 1: aren't even me.
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  Speaker 4: Right, well, they're based off you. It's off the image
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  Speaker 4: that's on the webs site.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so you AI Tybe pictures. And then like,
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  Speaker 1: I is that supposed to be like my high school?
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  Speaker 1: I love that I have the wrinkles around my eyes
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  Speaker 1: that's supposed to be me in high school.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because AI couldn't quite figure out how to make
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  Speaker 4: you younger. The first one, though, was the best one.
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 4: We did that image. We're like, okay, now give him
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  Speaker 4: a mullet and a tuxedo, and it was just you
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  Speaker 4: currently with a mullet and a tuxedo and your facial hair.
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  Speaker 4: And then we're like, no, now make him younger, or
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  Speaker 4: we said something, you know, and you know what, Ai,
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  Speaker 4: it tried hard.
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  Speaker 1: It did, I mean it, I mean it did strike
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  Speaker 1: me as that's pretty similar yeah to the way I
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  Speaker 1: looked once upon a time. I looked a lot younger
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  Speaker 1: when I was actually.
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  Speaker 4: Young, yes, which is important to note.
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  Speaker 1: And yes I had a free flowing mullet that did
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  Speaker 1: have a permanent applied to it, but it wasn't all over.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of looked like a poodle going through pubic
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  Speaker 1: haired pubic hair nightmare. And the and the photo that
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  Speaker 1: you gave So now that is going to haunt me
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  Speaker 1: for I don't know how long now, because it's probably
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  Speaker 1: never going to go away. They're probably going to be
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  Speaker 1: floating around. I mean, Arden's already put two up in her.
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  Speaker 6: In her I mean they people do put them by
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  Speaker 6: their desks. I did not take one, so don't worry.
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  Speaker 6: I will not be a part of keeping one around.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good for a long time. I didn't take a
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  Speaker 1: couple home to show the unicorn, and she did get
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  Speaker 1: a good laugh out of you.
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  Speaker 4: Think of the cupcakes.
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  Speaker 1: And then the cupcakes I took next door because it's
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  Speaker 1: gluten right, but saw them, and then I took them
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  Speaker 1: to a local business that we frequent and let them
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  Speaker 1: have the cupcakes. Nice but and they got a big
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  Speaker 1: kick out of the faces too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, so thank you to you and Jenny and
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  Speaker 1: too Arden and to the entire staff because.
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  Speaker 4: That was nice AI and did in real life.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly. So I don't know how many times
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  Speaker 1: over the next few weeks I'm going to be asked
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  Speaker 1: the question, is that really how you looked?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna happen a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes, and no, let me tell you a story.
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  Speaker 4: Let me tell you a little story.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, we're delaying the inevitable because it's time
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  Speaker 1: to talk about a baseball team, which you know they're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna win them all. And lately they've been playing better,
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  Speaker 1: but you go to Detroit and you feel like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we kicked that last one at home against the Mets,
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  Speaker 1: and Tigers have been struggling a little bit, even though
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  Speaker 1: we know they're a pretty good team on paper. After all,
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  Speaker 1: they took us to the mat to you know, in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. We know how good they are,
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  Speaker 1: and they've very narrowly knocked us out before we even
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  Speaker 1: got to the American League Championship series. So we know
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  Speaker 1: they can play ball there in Detroit, but they've had
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  Speaker 1: a bad season to this point, and we didn't want
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  Speaker 1: them getting well against the local baseball team. And yet
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  Speaker 1: they seem to have gotten well. They take two out
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  Speaker 1: of three. But frustratingly so the Mariners seem to own
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  Speaker 1: that game yesterday. They seem to have it under control
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  Speaker 1: the entire way. And then and then just some weirdness
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  Speaker 1: which certainly we're going to dive into here on the
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  Speaker 1: radio program right now. And look, there's the Andre's Munjos
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  Speaker 1: element of this that certainly comes to mind. And I
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  Speaker 1: am going to spend some time really just I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to spend an entire fat segment today, one of our
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  Speaker 1: fat segments today talking about Andres Munos because obviously he's
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  Speaker 1: not on his game. But I think, Ashley, you know
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  Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, because my frustrations fell a
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  Speaker 1: lot more at the feet of Dan Wilson yesterday than
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  Speaker 1: they did at Andres Munjos. And you know why, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure because I talked about it so frequently.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't have a guy pitch so infrequently and
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  Speaker 6: then expect him to be sharp.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way I feel. That's the way Andres feels.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't understand why we can't. I mean, we've
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  Speaker 1: got all of this numerology that we pour over, this
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  Speaker 1: analytics and this nerderama that we employ down the street
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  Speaker 1: at T Mobile, and yet just the basic principle of
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  Speaker 1: does the how when is our closer at his best?
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  Speaker 1: And it's not every five six days. I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you that. And he's even told you that.
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  Speaker 4: That's the thing is he said it himself, this is
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  Speaker 4: this isn't good for me.
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  Speaker 1: We've discussed it ad nauseum. And I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 1: Dan Wilson's listening to us and making his game plans
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  Speaker 1: based off of us, No, but enough people have discussed it.
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  Speaker 1: It's out there. I don't know how it is not
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  Speaker 1: more obvious. And so I'm gonna lay some at Andre's
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  Speaker 1: Muno's feet. I mean, get the job done. Why why
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  Speaker 1: do you struggle when you've been given so much rest?
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  Speaker 1: But one thing was very obvious about yesterday, and that
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  Speaker 1: was he was fresh. He was throwing harder than he
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  Speaker 1: had all season long. He was throwing one on one,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and two mile per hour fastball that was back.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no doubt that he was fresh from all
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  Speaker 1: the excess rest that he has been given as of late.
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  Speaker 1: But he was also not anywhere close at times to
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  Speaker 1: the strike zone, which shows you that he was out
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  Speaker 1: of rhythm. He was out of his sink. And that
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  Speaker 1: comes from him being so used so infrequently, and it
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  Speaker 1: keeps happening over and over this season, and there were
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  Speaker 1: plenty of times that Dan had the opportunity to use
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  Speaker 1: him over the course of the weekend. Hey, if we
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  Speaker 1: really are starting to wonder if he should be our closer,
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  Speaker 1: then let's not make him our closer. I'm saying every
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  Speaker 1: single night, let's not have the idea that the only
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  Speaker 1: time we ever put Andres Munnos in a game is
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  Speaker 1: when we have the lead in the ninth, and yet
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  Speaker 1: that seems to be the way that Dan Wilson is operating.
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  Speaker 1: He should pitched Saturday. We were up four to nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't we use him then?
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  Speaker 1: And I get it, some closers don't. They don't perform
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  Speaker 1: as sharply when there's not a save on the line. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's start start getting him out of that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: four to nothing. That seemed like a perfect time since
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  Speaker 1: we hadn't used him in four days, to throw him
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  Speaker 1: into a game. It's not like we were blowing them away.
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  Speaker 1: You use Gabe Spire and right now he's as valuable
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  Speaker 1: as Andre's munyos, if not more so. In that game
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  Speaker 1: that was an opportunity. And then on Friday even I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know we were down two, but that's a bloop
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  Speaker 1: and a blast away. And for whatever reason, Dan Wilson
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  Speaker 1: believes that if you're down to the game's over and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna throw our worst pitcher out there, as opposed to, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're down to we're a bloop and a blast away,
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  Speaker 1: and we got to get Andre some work. I have
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  Speaker 1: not you. We had a day off on Thursday. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't use him on Wednesday I haven't used him in
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  Speaker 1: five days, and he's told me, he's told me he
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  Speaker 1: needs more usage. We can't. We can't keep going five
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  Speaker 1: or six days without using somebody that obviously relies on
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  Speaker 1: that rhythm. So why not throw them into Friday? We
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  Speaker 1: had the momentum in that game. We're a bloop and
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  Speaker 1: a blast away from tying the damn thing up. By
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  Speaker 1: then we throw. And I don't mean offence to Alex Hoppy,
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  Speaker 1: but he is the last guy in our bullpen that
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  Speaker 1: we would use. And those guys are called mop up guys.
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  Speaker 1: And mop up to me is when you're up six
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  Speaker 1: or down five, you know, not when you're within a
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  Speaker 1: bloop and a blast of tying the damn thing up,
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  Speaker 1: you've got momentum. The Tigers have had trouble with their
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  Speaker 1: bullpen all season long. Why not use Munno's Friday, keep
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  Speaker 1: the score at two runs, keep him in his rhythm.
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  Speaker 1: And there is and I don't know where it is written,
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  Speaker 1: because I believe me, I've started to break down the numbers,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get into at seven o'clock today. He's actually
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  Speaker 1: better on no day's rest than he is on two
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  Speaker 1: days rest or three days rest or four days rest
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  Speaker 1: or five days res definitely five. Yeah, And so I
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of it on Dan Ashley. I think
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  Speaker 1: that he's not managing and you know what, shame on
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  Speaker 1: andres that he's not better equipped to handle this he
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  Speaker 1: should be at this point in his career. But I
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  Speaker 1: also think that we do all of this number crunching
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  Speaker 1: cons have all We have a phone book worth of
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  Speaker 1: data that we hand over a manager at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of every game, pour over this data like never before
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  Speaker 1: in the history of sports, and yet we can't figure
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  Speaker 1: out a fundamental thing that the yahoo's down the road
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  Speaker 1: on KJR have been telling you for two months. You
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  Speaker 1: cannot let this guy go five six days without pitching
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  Speaker 1: because he gets out of his rhythm. He's told you everybody,
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  Speaker 1: He's told you, and yet we keep falling into the
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  Speaker 1: same trap over and over and over. I'm tired of
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  Speaker 1: our manager only using our closer when it's a safe situation.
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  Speaker 1: It's driving. It's driven me up a wall. And for
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  Speaker 1: those of you that thought I was going to come
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  Speaker 1: on the air and backpedal on this a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and have to admit, oh, well, we got to make
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  Speaker 1: a change. No, yeah, we do have to make a change.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the manager position, but the
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  Speaker 1: way he handles Munyos is what needs to change, not
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  Speaker 1: Munyos well.
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  Speaker 4: And it should say it in that telephone book of information, right,
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  Speaker 4: I guarantee you it shows how poorly he does in
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  Speaker 4: those exact situations. But more importantly than that, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 4: he has said it himself. You have to take the
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  Speaker 4: word of the person who you are relying on to
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  Speaker 4: go into a situation and what they are and aren't
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  Speaker 4: comfortable with. And if Munho says I'm not pitching enough,
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  Speaker 4: then he's not pitching enough.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what your book says, but your book
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  Speaker 4: could back it up. So you've got two things.
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  Speaker 6: You've got your book that you really so heavily on
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  Speaker 6: and you've got a person saying it from their actual mouth.
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  Speaker 1: Use me more, use me mo, so use him more. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the compromise on all of this. Let's not
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  Speaker 1: treat him as a you're our only closer. Let's do
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  Speaker 1: that if that's what okay, So some people want him
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  Speaker 1: remove from the closer position. I don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: that far because I think that when he's right he's
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  Speaker 1: still our best guy, and I got the data to
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  Speaker 1: prove that, which I will at seven oh five. But
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  Speaker 1: if we don't have to use him as our only closer,
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  Speaker 1: why can't this be the compromise? Why can't he be
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  Speaker 1: used on Friday down two and then if you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to use him the next day. Why couldn't we
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  Speaker 1: have faith that Matt Brash could get a save, or
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  Speaker 1: Jose Ferrer could get a save, or Gabe Spire the
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  Speaker 1: way he's pitching right now game Spier's pitching better than
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  Speaker 1: anybody out of our bullpen right now, why would we
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  Speaker 1: think that they can't get a save? And so how
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  Speaker 1: is that as a compromise, we will use Andres Munjos
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  Speaker 1: in save situations, but he doesn't have to be the
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  Speaker 1: only guy that gets us saves. And that way, we
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  Speaker 1: can use Munyos in other ways during the course of
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  Speaker 1: the game that don't necessarily reflect him getting a save.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, all this analytics stuff that they did was
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  Speaker 1: to point out that wins, we shouldn't be fighting for
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  Speaker 1: a pitcher to get a win, and we shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: fighting for a closer to get a save. Those statistics
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  Speaker 1: in the big picture don't really tell the whole story
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  Speaker 1: of how to win that actual game. That's what analytics
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  Speaker 1: are driven by. And so we have an analytics driven organization,
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  Speaker 1: and yet we have a manager that is still trying
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  Speaker 1: to get his closer a save every time he takes
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  Speaker 1: the field, and I think that that's silly. So I
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  Speaker 1: think the compromise is in order to get him more
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  Speaker 1: work that we don't worry if we want to use
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  Speaker 1: him on a Friday and don't want to use him
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  Speaker 1: on back to back days, which I think silly, Then
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  Speaker 1: we don't worry that Munjos is not available for us
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday because we used him to get some work
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  Speaker 1: on Friday. Will use for Air, We'll use Brash the
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  Speaker 1: next day, Will you Spire the next day? And so
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  Speaker 1: I think that this organization right now, Dan and the
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  Speaker 1: front office are caught between the numbers and silly season
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: right now. And the end result is the mess that
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you created yesterday, because we haven't even talked about the
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Kriswell situation. What the f was that you had Bizardo
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: up and loose and ready to go, and then you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: decided to wait un inning and then put Spire in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the game after Kriswell couldn't get anybody out in the step.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Use your best dude for them, help use Munos there
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: for goodness sake.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Well, especially because we know that these guys don't care
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: when they go in or what inning it is. They
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: just want to take care of bus when they go in.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: You had Bizardo up, he was already ready, and they.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Got cute Well playing chess when they're playing checkers.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Well, Spire, we could say for the top of the order,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: because that's when we want him in. And so let's
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: see if we can squeeze Kriswell even though Bizardo's already loose.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: We'll we'll get Chriswell up. He'll face seven, eight, nine
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: in the order, and maybe we can steal three outs
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and then have Spire face the top of the order,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and then we say Bizardo for and then we can
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: say Bizardo for tomorrow. And even if Chriswell can't get
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: those three guys out, then Spire comes in. Well, then
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we'll say Bizardo for the eighth. And that's a total
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: waste of Spire, because now if Chriswell allows any traffic
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: at all, Spire comes in, he might only face one
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: batter because we refuse, do you use him in a
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: second inning after he's already been up. We don't like
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to let our relievers sit and then go back into
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the game. And that's a total waste of your best
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: reliever right now. And gave Spire stop getting so cute
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: with it. Put Bizarto in the damn game. He was
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: ready to come into the game. Put him in the seventh,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: save Spire for the eighth, and Munjos for the ninth.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with that? And instead Munyos that comes
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in hasn't pitched in six days, and instead of having
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a four run lead at that point or a three
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: run lead at that point, is dealing with a run
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: run lead. And then he walks his first guy and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you know it's, ah no, I don't have it. And
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: he walks the second guy and even the hit wasn't
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that sound of a hit, but it found green grass
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and both runs score and you lose the baseball game.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was as botched as a three run
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: lead in the seventh can be botched. And that's not
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: all on Andre's Munos, some of it, but it's not
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: all on Andre's moon well.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: And definitely the parts that happened when he wasn't in
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: the game. Definitely not on him.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: rest of the show. What's on tep?
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: What's on tap?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: All right? Mariners do lose to the Tigers five to four.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: We'll go through some of the details with Mariners morning
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: after coming up at six thirty this morning. Tigers take
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: two out of three, so the Mariners leave Michigan with
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a thirty four and thirty two record. That's still good
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: for first place in the American League West, but only
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a game and a half up on the Texas Rangers,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: who are playing better baseball right now. In case you
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: haven't noticed, speaking of a team playing better baseball, the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles have been playing a better brand of baseball lately.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: They are scoring a lot of runs recently, which is
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: what they're designed to do. They got off to another
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: terrible start this year, but they've battled their way back
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and into wild card contention. And that's where the Mariners
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: will be tonight in Baltimore, Maryland, for a game series
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: against a team that is smoking offensively right now. First
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: pitch at three point thirty five. More on that later
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: in the show as well. College World Series has already
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: invited or accepted what six teams. Six teams are there,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: West Virginia, Troy, Ole, Miss, North Carolina, Georgia, and then
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: last night, in a thriller, Texas came back one over
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Oregon to knock the Ducks out. And so six teams
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: have their places in the eight team College World Series.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: They'll determine the other two today starting at eleven o'clock.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Both Saint John's and Alabama and Kentucky, ECUMI, Kansas and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma had their games suspended because of weather. So they'll
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: play a game and a half each of them today
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and they'll settle this and by the end of the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: day we will have our eight teams for the College
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: World Series. It is World Cup week. It is here.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Finally.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what to do about it. I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: don't know how to discuss it. I really don't know.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I really don't know. Yeah, because I'm not gonna sit
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: here and break down soccer camp. You can't do that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: You don't want me to know.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Nobody wants it that from either of us.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know how we're going to handle this,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: but we'll be talking soccer. I promise it's a big
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: event here in Seattle. Starts on the eleventh, two sleeps
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: away from the World Cup being here. Andrewshurst is weird
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: He joined us on Thursday and talked about it, which
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: was fun to hear. We had a whole segment about it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, all right, Well just bear with us.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: NBA Finals Game three is tonight in New York City.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: The Knicks can go up three to zero on the Spurs.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: They'll tip that at five point thirty. We'll certainly discuss
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that later in the show. Stanley Cup Final they're saying
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: this is the most thrilling Stanley Cup Final ever. Game
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: four will be tomorrow night, and it'll be in Las Vegas,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: where the Knights can go up three to one on Carolina.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Las Vegas, the Storm are in Las Vegas tonight,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: so maybe they can take in some hockey tomorrow.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I'd be probably more fun than playing the Aces.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Seven o'clock start there. Meanwhile, Caitland Clark, the controversial Caitland Clark,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: also playing tonight at Washington. They'll tip that at four o'clock.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Seahawks OTA's ended yes last week, but pretty much the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Seahawks one series has just begun, will continue it today
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and throughout the month of June. One analyst breaking down
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: one key Seahawk player for one entire interview. Today, podcaster
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: friend handsome globe trotter Jackson Bevans will join us on
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the program at eight o'clock and we'll find out which
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Seahawk key wants to break down for one entire interview.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Coming up next Mariners Morning After Sports Radio ninety three
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: point three KJRFM. Down the line and fair and all
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the way towards the corner, Julio. It takes his time.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: He's touching home. He's waving home, Naylor. Naylor was slowing down. Now,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: puts down the gas pedal.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: He is safe at home.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Two runs in for the ms A Rosarina into second three.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Nothing that plays was a little closer at home than
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it looked like it would be for a moment.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're gonna challenge this. You see who
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: we are waving in? Josh? Now, he was slowing up,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So car does the third base coach waving him in?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Did he get that left hand underneath Dingla's glove.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be close, Naylor, Who's through his sliding
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: mitt as he was holding it, not wearing it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, my favorite.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: He will do anything.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: He is a different cat.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: He will do anything.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Dingler hate your baby. What I wanted to hear from Ryan,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Roland Smith long, Dylan Dinglas, Hey your baby?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: He really failed us, didn't me.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time. That time you
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: were supposed to pick me up at the airport.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Oh he left you there for days?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for days. I was there for eighteen days waiting
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: for him a long time. Good morning, welcome to our
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: second hour here on this Monday morning. Hope you all
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: had a great weekend out there. It is Ashley, Ryan
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and Chuck Powell with you Sports Radio ninety three point
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: three Kate JRFM. Our Seahawks one series continues later on
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: today at eight o'clock. Jackson Bevans, a podcasting fame, will
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: be joining us today. He's always part of our Seahawks
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: one series. Can't wait to find out on which player
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: he wants to break down for one entire interview. We'll
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: do that today at eight o'clock. We also have NBA
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Finals to discuss and more. Let me first though, get
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to your headlines. They are brought to you by Frost
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Brewed Corps like choose Chill. Yeah, we did win that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: wacky thing on Saturday, but the Mariners lost Friday and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Sunday against the Detroit Tigers, including a five to four
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: loss yesterday. That, frankly, that's just a game you're not
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: supposed to lose. I agreed, And so the team at
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: thirty four and thirty two gets ready to head to Baltimore,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Maryland for a game tonight three thirty five. First pitch,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: one of four games that are going to take up
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that they play pretty much at the same time every
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: day for the next four days. So we got that
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: whole three thirty to six thirty block that's going to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: dominate our week here as Mariner fans, and so that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: gets started tonight. It'll be Emerson Hancock going up against
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Chris Bassett, who has not been good this year, so
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: let's take advantage. First pitch at three thirty five.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Not good today.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not left handed.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: That's good.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, we'll see things are looking up already.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, three of the four starters we're going to face
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: right handed.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Because everyone figured out how good we are at hitting lefties.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: College world Series Texas, Oregon last night and a thriller,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: they punched their ticket to the College World Series. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that's now occupied. The eight seats. Six are occupied Texas, Georgia,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: North Carolina, Ole, Miss Troy, how about Troy getting in there?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And West Virginia. Meanwhile, there'll be two more spots decided today.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: There was rain yesterday that washed out Kansas and Oklahoma,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: also Saint John's and Alabama, So come hell or high water,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: they will finish their series. They'll play their scheduled to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: play a game and a half both of them today.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: So as long as rain doesn't wash anything out again today,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: we will know our eight teams in the College World
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Series by the end of the day. NBA Finals Game
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: three tonight, five point thirty is your tip the New
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: York Knicks can go up three to oh. They're saying
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that ticket prices minimum ticket price to get into this
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: game tonight at Madison Square Garden six thousand dollars.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: And then they also have decided that you can't as
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: New York fans, hang out outside the stadium and watch
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: or like have your party there because the President's going tonight.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: So it's too much of a security risk.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm just gonna buy ten tickets might
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: You know that's really them out to the listeners, And yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: that's the crazy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Who cares if you can't make it to New York
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: by five point thirty, I don't care.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: It's just money.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Why don't we just get a private jet?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Stanley Cup Final Game four tomorrow?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Are they raving about this this series? Good Night Carolina
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: is down two to one to Las Vegas. They'll try
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to even things up against the Good Nights tonight in
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas. That's where the storm are as well, taken
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: on the aces at seven o'clock tonight. And yes, this
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: is World Cup week. It is here. I know how
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: beloved and treasured that this is for soccer football fans
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: here in the Pacific Northwest. And I'm just gonna vow
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: right now, Ashley, I'm gonna do my very best to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: make this as wonderful as I possibly can. You can
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I have faith they need.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: We're gonna try. I really don't know what to say.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: The nice thing about World Cup is, you know what
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: it is, right, we know it's one tournament, so it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: not like we're gonna have World Cup and then there's
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: some extra little matches on the side that we don't
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: know what they are. You're just you're just trying to win.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: Just watching games, Yeah, watching wins.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I honestly mean this. I'm not a soccer fan. I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: want all soccer fans they can hear my voice right now,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to have the time of their life. And I really
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: mean that they will, yeah, for the next month, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: especially our own little soccer darlings, anders.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Hurst and Jack sweet cherubs.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Oh those sweet, young, impressionable boys. All right, well, let's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: get into it. I've already warned that what we were
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: going to discuss here in this segment, and it's going
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to be our closure. Andre Smunos, who blew is fifth
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: save of the season yesterday. He also has a three
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and four record. Because of that loss yesterday to the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Detroit Tigers. I've had a few people reach out and say,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: are you finally going to come around? I mean, I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: have Greg Bell pretty much every time I leave the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: studio now saying still believe in Munnos.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: And I do.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it sounds crazy. I'm not being stubborn
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: about this. I'm really not, and I love andres. He's
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: one of the nicest human beings. But it has nothing
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to do my analysis has nothing to do with how
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: nice a person that I think he is. Even yesterday
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I saw a guy throwing his fastball as hard as
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: ever one hundred and one hundred and two miles prior.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: He just couldn't locate it yesterday, And I think that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: has everything to do with the fact that he's being
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: pitched so infrequently this year, and by his own demands,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: his own please.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: He has said straight out of his mouth, I want
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: to pitch more.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: He's nice to pitching enough. And so when you go
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: five and a half days without him seeing the mound,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: without seeing live action, and he doesn't have his command
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: at this stage, should we be all that surprised by it?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is an organization that has ton tons
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: of data. They are an analytics driven organization, and I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: think they've softened on that in the last couple of years.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: The hiring of Dan Wilson was a gesture of we're
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: softening on analytics. We've got to marry the two. As
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Bucky and I have said since we started doing this
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: show together, I don't dislike analytics. I love analytics. I
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: love what they've done for the game, but anybody that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: married themselves to them entirely is a fool, and anybody
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: that won't use them is a fool. And so right now,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, you better being being marrying the two principles,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: not being caught up in analytics, and yet make sure
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that you are using them, otherwise you're at a huge
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: disadvantage every single night. Well, here is an organization driven
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: by this. They're an analytics driven organization. And yet what
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: we're watching unfold is head scratching at best and almost
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: hair pulling for me that here's this isn't difficult data
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to find. I don't need a nerd to look this
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: up for me. Andre's Munos does not do well when
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: he's rested for too long, by his own admission, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: maybe Ashley, maybe it is. Maybe it's now mental, Maybe
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it's psychological with him. Maybe he thinks he can't perform
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that way, and shame on Andre's for that. He's got
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to get tougher, he's got to get stronger, and there's
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: no excuse for how bad that he looked yesterday and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: not being able to find the strike zone. But there
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: might be reasons for it, and to me, the reasons are,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he's just better when he's in a rhythm, and he
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: can't get in a rhythm because for whatever reason, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: an analytics driven organization, analytics want to bleed the closer
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: out of the sport. When they started, it's unnecessary to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: have a guy designated for the ninth inning. How silly
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: is that you pitch your best arm in the best matchups,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: whatever time in the game that it requires you to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: need your best arm out of the bullpen, you use him.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: That's what the preaching of analytics was. And yet here
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: we have an analytics driven organization and a manager that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: will only use Andre's Munnos if we're up one or
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: two runs or tied after the eighth. That's the only
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: time that he will ever use him. And when you
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: do it, when you let that dictate how often you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: use a guy that is begging to be used more,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: what happens you have long stretches of time where the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: game situation does not meet your requirements for usage of
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Andres Munos. And the end result has been he's been
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: very in insistent, he has at times looked completely out
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: of rhythm, and the statistics bear it out. He is
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: struggling from lack of usage, and it's so obvious Ashley.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just scratched these numbers together this morning.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I don't have a computer. I did this by hand. Yeah.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I'm an inning off. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: can't find an inning. I can't find where there's a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: missing inning from this. So these aren't going to be
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: one thousand percent accurate statistics. But I'm one inning off
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: out of twenty one and a third, So it won't
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: change the entire result that I've come up with. But
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: if I can figure this out using pad and paper, yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: The analytics nerds should be just filled with that information.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It's an entire organization. They're twenty of these guys. They
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: give them a phone book every day. This is what
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: these are the matchups, this is what we look for.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: This is where he's strong, this is where they're weak.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You got a phone book of this, and yet Dan
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: just keeps saying Nope, unless it's a save situation, then
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Andres isn't gonna pitch. And even when Andres is saying,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I can't pitch that way, not as well as I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: want to. But I'll wait until you call me and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I'll do my best yep. And yesterday it wasn't good enough.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: His best was not good enough. He was he was
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: out of rhythm, two walks all over the map, no
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: command whatsoever. So here's the data. This is what you're
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: looking at. This is as simple as could be. With
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: no day's rest, Andres Muno says five games pitched, four
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and two thirds innings and one run aloud. He has
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: two saves and one blown save, and he has lost
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: two games, but four and two thirds innings pitch one
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: run aloud. That's an zero point nine to three era
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: when he has one day rest, So that means like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: no day's rest is you're going one day and then
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you're pitching the very next which they don't like to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: do that period. They won't do it at all with
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: brash one day between. Okay, so one day off Andres
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Munoz five games pitched, five innings pitched, no runs allowed,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: nine strikeouts, two for two and save opportunities. Wow, when
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: he has two days rest or more five games, excuse me,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: two days just not more? Just two days two days rest,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: five games, four and a third innings pitched, three runs allowed,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: three blown saves and one converted save a six point
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: two to three e er pikes when he has three
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: or days three or more days off seven games. Now,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: let's stop right there. He's pitching more on three or
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: more days rest than in any other scenario that I've
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: outlined for you here. That's ridiculous, right, yeah, this is
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: him saying I'm doing this, you're not pitching me enough.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: So five games, five games, five games, seven games that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: he's pitched on three days rest or more an eleven
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: point three seven e er. Now, he does have four saves,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: he's blown one save, and he's lost two games. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: keep in mind that five run outing against the Padres
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: is in this, so that does whack the numbers considerably.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: But let's take the two together. Okay, and again I'm
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: missing an inning. I'm also and I'm not cherry picking
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: because I don't know what any I missed. I didn't
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: choose the first two games of the year against Cleveland
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: because we're coming out of the gates. Yeah you know
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't even use those.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, but.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Ten games on one day rest or less a combined
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: zero point nine to three ER. Twelve games with two
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: days rest or more a combined nine point two eight er.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: If only there were some numbers to show that he
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: does better with less rest.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Right, that's ridiculous, Right, you got a phone book worth
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of data. Yeah, and you won't even just basic surface stuff. Oh,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: this guy, when you pitch him more is better.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you pitch him every other day, he's actually
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: very very very good.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Turns out he was right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, It turns out when he said he wanted to
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: pitch more, wasn't pitching enough. Might have known what he
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: was talking about. Now, look, I'm not gonna be perfect.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to excuse him. Be tougher, be better.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Why is that messing you up so much? Right? Okay,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Andres has not been very good this year. He was
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: elite last couple of years. He's not been very good.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: But I still saw a guy that was throwing one
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: hundred and one hundred and two. We don't have a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: guy with that kind of fastball other than Andre's Munnos.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: He has an unhittable slider. Pete Woodworth calls it the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: most unhittable pitch in the entire sport. When he's got it,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: when he's on, and he's dominating righties this year, dominating
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: them it's absolutely dominating. So what about this as a compromise,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Because I know a lot of people want him out
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: of the closers role. How about we just say you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: don't close, that's not your only job, that we're not
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: going to use you just when there's a save opportunity.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: We will use you on a Friday night down too,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: because you need some work, and because we're a bloop
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and a blast away from possibly tying up, and we've
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: just seized momentum of this Friday night game, as opposed
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to using our worst relief who goes out there in
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the eighth and in a blink of an eye you're
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: down four in the game's over, the game is out
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of reach. How about we not use him as a
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: closer purely. I still want him when it works the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: right way, he's getting the ball for me. I mean
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the stuff to me that he doesn't look injured, he
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't look tired. The stuff to me looks like closer stuff.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: He's struggling against left handers, and he's struggling with command
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: when he has sat for too long. Those are the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: two issues with Andres Munnos. But we want this guy
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to be great, and the stuff is there, So let's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: get him right. That's all that matters. Getting him right.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And I think what gets him right is pitching him
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: more frequently. And if that means he's not the guy,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: we just don't use him for every save, fine, I'm
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a thousand percent okay with that. First can get the
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: job done. Brash can get the job done. Gabe Spire
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: is better than anybody coming out of our bullpen right now.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you, Gabe Spire can get us saves right now,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I would think. So I don't need Andres Munos to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: get us every save. What I need from Andres Munos
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: is for him not to wait five six days before
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: he pitches again. That's what I need from Andre's And
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a scenario like Friday where
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: he's given the ball because we're a bloop and a
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: blast away from possibly coming back and winning this game,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and he needs work because we have sat him for
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: four straight days. I don't care if it's Saturday, when
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: we're up four to nothing, use him in the ninth.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Why does there have to be a save attached to it?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And then yesterday, finally he gets his chance. He's chopping
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: at the bit, he's throwing harder than he ever has.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: He was certainly fresh, but the five days off he
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: looked as rusty as you could possibly look. He had
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: zero command out there.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: On the mound.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: How does that not ring a bell and somebody's head
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: in that organization. Wilson's a very smart person, So is
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Manny Acta, So is Pete Woodworth, so is Jerry Depoto,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: so is Justin Hollander. How is that not ringing a bell?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: But the reason that he's struggling is because he's not pitching.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Enough, and especially with the creativity that these guys have
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: shown that they're already willing to do with this pitching staff,
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: I mean the piggyback situation and going between that and
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: the six man.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Rotation to figure out what works best for people.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know why you would be so flexible when
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: it comes to these six starters, But then when it
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: comes to your bullpen, it's.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he has to pitch here, yes, especial.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Why not use the same thought process, the same mantra
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: with your bullpen as you're using with your starting pitchers.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that's just it. Like in an analytics world in
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the modern day, you mix and match you do base
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it on who you're getting ready to face and who
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the best matchups are. Yeah, but we're we're doing that
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: while we're also trying to keep people in these old
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: school boxes. Andre's Munnos can only pitch if there's a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: save on the line. That is rubbish.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, use there.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: You have great pitchers, use them in the moments in
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: each game, like, ooh, actually, this would be a great
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: plan for this person. This would be a great Oh
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: you know what, Mooney hasn't hasn't pitched since Wednesday, Let's
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: use him.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Munjos is dominating right handers, even with how poorly he's looked,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: he's dominating right handers. You know, it's not it's not
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a terrible idea that, hey, we need to get him.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: He needs to pitch today, and right now it's tied,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: and I know it's the seventh inning, but they've got
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: a steady flow of right handers coming up. Use Munjos then,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and then we can trust somebody else to get a
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: save in the ninth inning, since we can't trust Andres
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to get a save in the ninth inning right now,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: especially when he's on three or more days rest. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: don't think this is a dul problem to solve, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: trust me, all of those that want to chase Andres
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Munos out of town, we want to solve this right.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: We want Andres to be good because he has shown
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: he can be elite coming out of the pen, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you just don't walk away from guys like that. And
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: so let's get him right and on most nights if
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: it works out that way, I want him closing for us,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: even now, even with five blown saves before June eighth,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I want him closing for us. But I don't want
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to make Andres Muno's only pitch in save situations because
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: it's ruining his season.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: Andrew doing yourselves a disservice too. I mean, you're he's
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: not pitching at his best and that therefore is hurting
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: your team. So I don't know why you wouldn't think
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: outside the box a little bit more.
• 44:51
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• 45:49
  Speaker 1: here on Chuck and Buck. How are you, sir?
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Chuck? What's happening man? Thanks for having me?
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Hey you Ben? How are things.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: Great?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: You know it's you catch me, complain and you can
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: shoot me.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Life's pretty good, man, and even better when the team's
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: heer for a team that you cover won Super Bowl,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know what, I'm no matter what happens
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: this offseason, this is a stress free off season.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I refuse to get worked.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Up this offseason over anything that happens, because they just
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: finally took care of business and exercised some real demons
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And the only thing that you can kind of get
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: worked up about is like you're a year ahead of
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: schedule and you have to fight yourself, do you not?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's just me, but don't you have to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: fight yourself Jackson to like, how good could they really be?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, how how much improvement could they show? Because
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of expecting improvement because that's what I figured
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: was gonna happen over the course of the next three years.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point. And it's actually something I
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: talked about on Cigar Thoughts a little bit. Is we
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: didn't hear before where the Seahawks wan quicker than then
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: we thought. And I remember immediately jumping into dynasty mode,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: how many are they going to win? You know, Russell
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Wilson is coming for all of these rings, and and
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: you know, I started to kind of use the first
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: championship as a springboard into projecting a bunch of stuff
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: and not I don't think really appreciating just how difficult
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: it is to go back to back, how difficult it is, uh,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: you know, to build what is considered a dynasty. I
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: mean It's only happened nine times, and you know, the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: first fifty nine Super Bowl eligible years for it, and
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: and so this.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Year, I'm not doing that. I am going to just
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: enjoy every single bit of this.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I'm going to enjoy every single bit of the pursuit
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: for the second championship. I love being the team that
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: is forcing the Rams to mortgage the future. Just load
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: up and take him down, you know, every single piece
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: of this. I'm going to try and be as present
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: as possible for as opposed to you know, starting to say, oh, well,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: let's see there's one.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Let's see how many more of these you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Can rip off, because you know, as we saw, it
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't take much for the cracks to show and for
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: you know, feeling like you almost have to start all
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: over again.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: So that being said, I do also expect them to improve,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: which is crazy.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you got the right perspective. You're
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: keeping it in check. Jackson Bevans of Cigar Thoughts in
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: fl joining us here, does a tremendous Seahawks podcast, blog
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: and blogging for years about this team, and of course
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: we lean on him when we can as well. All Right,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: so let's get into the Seahawks one series. What player
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: are you wanting to break down for an entire interview
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: here today?
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate y'all giving me the chance to choose,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: and and you know, Chuck, we've worked together a fair amount.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: You know, we we've done some crossover work with Whitewater
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Drafting series.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: We've you know, you've been on some of our thoughts.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I've been on your show, and and I think one
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: thing that you know about me is I really do
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: like to lean into the numbers and the analytics, not
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: not to make a point or necessarily to form an opinion,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: but to see how supportive that you know of an opinion.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I should be thrown all that out the window, because
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: when it comes to offensive line play, it really is
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: do you have it or you or do you not?
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: And we're talking about grades Abel today because that guy
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: just has it. And I'm always so hesitant to put
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: too much emphasis into what I see in the preseason
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: from rookies for all of the usual caveats, but that
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: opening series against the Chiefs in the preseason last year,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: he put like three dudes on their back. And you
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: watch his college tape and it is so dominant, so dominant.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: They're like, Okay, this is a guy projected first round
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: NFL playing against FCS guys surrounded by great lineman and
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: Skill position players relative to the guys that they're playing.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Of course he's going to look dominant.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I needed him to look like he belonged, and he
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: looked dominant on that drive, and so you start to.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: Get a little bit excited.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: Fast forward five months and he's flattening the one guy
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: on the Patriots I'm scared could win the game for
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: them in the Super Bowl on the first play and
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: then tells him I'm ready.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: To die today.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Like when you talk about whether you have it or not,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how many rookies I've ever seen on
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: this team immediately have it the way Greys Abel does.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: And yet we had two of them last year. And again,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: kind of in reference to the topic we just discussed,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to put too much expectation
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: on a couple of guys that took the league by
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: storm and were huge factors in winning a Super Bowl
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: their very first season in the league. And yet it
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: is hard not to wonder how much better Emon Worri
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: can get and how much better Gray Zabel has a
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: chance to become What are your thoughts since we are
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: talking one series about Gray Zabel, what's the ceiling.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: On this guy.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing is, I don't even think he
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: was like anywhere close to what we can see from
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: him last year with how well Seattle ran the ball
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: down the stretch last few games of the regular season, honestly,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: really outside of funny enough, the two Rams teams after
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: that first Rams lost with all the turnovers, they really
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: stopped trying to build the entire plane out of Jacks
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: and Smith and Jigba and took the ball out of
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Darnold's hands a little bit, but and ran the ball
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: really well, especially in the playoffs.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was a dominant run performance.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: But it's easy to forget this team couldn't run at
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: all until like Thanksgiving like at all, and it was
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: really really difficult for the Kubak offense to do what
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: they wanted to do. And a lot of that happened
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: at center and right guard. But you also were seeing
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Zabel have a number of plays where he was blocking
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: almost defensively, and he was good in past protection, but
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: not great. The thing that's so encouraging to me is
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: those are the types of things like we saw enough
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: from his footwork and his handwork to say that he
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: has the baseline where I no longer have to worry
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: about him being a liability. I no longer have to
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: worry about him being someone the other team targets, which
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: is like the baseline for NFL offensive line play. You
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: see enough flashes of dominance that you can look at
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: this and say, all right, this is not a guy
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: who needs to gamble. This is a guy who only
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: had five penalties as a rookie, only three, you know,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: three holding penalties, And it's like, Okay, these plays that
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: he's getting beat, it's not because he's having to cheat
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: because he's not fast enough or not strong enough. Sometimes
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: you just get beat at the NFL level. But the
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: way that he has also won the majority of his
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: reps against established, extremely good NFL interior defenders makes me say, like,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: there is a leap that can be made here. I'm
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: sure he would tell you the same thing. Yeah, And
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: for the first time in over a decade, you had
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: an offensive line in Seattle playing with confidence, and we
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: have confidence in the guys next to you and don't
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: need to worry about covering for their mistakes, which is
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: what you saw over the final month of the postseason.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: That's where you can really start to take offense and
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: offensive line. And I think Zabel is as talented as
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: any of them.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Jackson Bevans is with us. Of course, you can follow
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: him at Jackson Bevans. That's jacso in he spells it
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: a little different than a Smith and Jigba and then
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: also at Cigar Thoughts NFL as so we do our Seahawks,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: so one series, it's one analyst breaking down one key
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Seahawk player for one entire interview. And Jackson has zoned
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: in on our left guard, Gray Zabel getting ready for
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: his second season in the National Football League and already
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: has himself a championship ring as a primary member of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the team. And so let's talk about the group at
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: large while you know, keeping Zabel at the heart of
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: this next question. I've been here now going on eleven years.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I have never been in Seattle without Sea Hawk fans
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: complaining about the offensive line until now. This is like
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the first offseason that we have I've not heard Seahawks
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: fans say we need help on the offensive line. So
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: where are you with the health of this overall group,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the strength of this overall group, and how Gray Zabel
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: fits into all of that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, make no mistake, the Seahawks need help
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: on the offensive line.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: They still need it.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, so do like.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Twenty seven or twenty eight teams every single year. I
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: think it is so easy to underestimate just how difficult
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: it is to find five reliable offensive linemen and put
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: them on one team in the NFL.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: And it's why we're seeing guards.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Who aren't being resigned by their own team fetch north
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: of twenty million a year in free agency.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: It is just really difficult.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: But for the first time, probably since you've been in
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: this market, they have three out of five that you
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: can count on. I don't have like a ton of
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: confidence in the center right guard position yet, you know,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: maybe you know both Stevens helps with that. Maybe we
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: see a step forward from either Sondel or Bradford. But like,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: make no mistake, those guys are who other defenses are targeting,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: and so there, I still think there are a couple
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: of weaker links in that chain. Can't say they can't
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: get coached up and get better. Can't say there isn't
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: going to be development from someone else, maybe Christian Haynes
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: that you know, improves that. I don't think this is
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: a great offensive line. I think that they have three
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: potentially great offensive linemen, and there's not a lot of
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: teams who can say that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: I think when they're at their.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Best and Lucas give you a top five to top
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: seven tackle tandem in the NFL. And I think grays
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Abel is already showing himself to be an above average
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: NFL guard. That is a huge, huge improvement in terms
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: of the baseline of your offensive line. But this is
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: by no means a complete line.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but not a weakness either, maybe not no
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: like it has been.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: In the past. For the first time, they are not
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: a week yeah yeah.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: And so when you think about the prospects of an
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: already very good Rams team, maybe even great Rams team,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and you know what happened last week, and adding Miles
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Garrett and even let's go ahead and just make this
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: scenario as scary as possible, Aaron Donald comes back to Okay,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about Zabel and company holding up
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: against this group?
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess as well as you can about
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: any other line holding up against that group, like the
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Rams are putting together the Avengers on on the other side.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: But they're doing it because they couldn't get past Seattle
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: last year. And you know, it's it is a compliment
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: to Seattle the way that they're loading up and and
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: so you know, I think that if the Rams win
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game last year, they do not make
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: that trade. So I mean, look, they're going to have
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: some hilarious games the Rams this year where it's just
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: it's gonna look like varsity versus JV in the trenches.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: It's just and that's going to happen against Seattle too.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: It's it would be silly to think otherwise that if
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Miles Garrett is healthy, Brayden Fisk is healthy, if Aaron
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Donald is out there and we all know how still
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: been training, Yeah, they're gonna have some absolutely comical dominant performances.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: I wish I could say, oh, well, you know.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Brian Flurry has this drawn up scheme for handling. Look,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: there's no there's no freaking scheme for Miles Garrett. There
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: is just yeah, and you know, he's the most dominant
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: player I've seen on that side of the football since
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Aaron Donald. And if we're gonna throw even eighty percent
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: of what Aaron Donald was back onto that roster, nobody's
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: nobody's got the guys for that. You're gonna have to
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: out scheme it. And you're gonna have to find a
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: way on defense to put the clamps on the Rams
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: in ways that they really couldn't do even in those
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: two games that they won last year.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Jackson Beabins, I'm breaking down Gary's Abel, Gray's Abel for
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: us here in our Seahawks one series, one analyst that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you know and like, breaking down one key Seahawk player
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that you know and like for one entire interview here
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings and so well,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: just to bring this full circle, you're opening comments. I
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: mean you say he's got it. I mean you're taking
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: away all the numbers, all the data and just saying
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: he's got it. I Mean usually when people say that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: is because they don't really know how else to describe it.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: But you're a master of words. We do this for
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: a living here, So what on what is it that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: you think? Is it about Gray's Abel? And does that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: include the fact that we have a left guard who
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: drinks cheap beer. And that fits into the he's got
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: it category.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, he's he's a left guard
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: straight out of Central casting in terms. Yeah, you're making
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: a football movie and you're going to be given some
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: lines to your guard. For some reason, you are casting
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Gray's Abel. You know, he he looks the part, he
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: acts the part. It feels genuine. But when I say
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: you got it, I don't think it's possible to overstate
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: just how insane an NFL, a really good NFL player is.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: And when you're talking about interior defensive linemen, you're talking
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: about arguably the strongest guys on the field, full of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: the strongest guys.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: And when I say you've got.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: It, I don't mean here's this play here or there,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: here's a funny line in the media. What I mean
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: is the ability to go heads up with those dudes
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: sixty times in a row and win more than you lose.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: He played ninety nine percent of the snaps as a rookie.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: That is insane. He started forty six games in college,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: didn't miss a single one, played eleven games as a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: freshman the year before that, didn't miss any games due
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: to injury. Hardly missed any snaps at any point in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: his football career. But again it comes back to the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: biggest moment of his life, the first snap of the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl, going up against an All Pro, putting that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: dude on his back and then telling him I am
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: ready to die today. He was not looking around like,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I did that.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: What that was cool? He was like, no, want you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: to know, this is going to be the worst day
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: of your life today.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I really do mean it. I mean when I see
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Jackson Bevans on a show and he's doing that, uh
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: that cigar, and it's always some big, giant, you know,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: spectacular looking thing, I'm like, man, why didn't I take
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: up that hobby? It looks so cool when he does
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: that with that cigar. So what's the key? What's the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: key to a good cigar? Jackson? And looking cool while
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: smoking it?
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know about looking thing, all right, thank you.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: The biggest thing is you just you just can't let
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: the smoke bug.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, you just got to immerse yourself in anything.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But it's also just kind of like a breathing
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: technique that that you learned. But in terms of what
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: you know sets apart a good cigar. You know a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: lot of people want to focus on this is how
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: it smells, These are the notes of the taste. All
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: that stuff is important to me too, But really it's construction.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: It's how well does it burn? You know, are the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: flames going to run down one side? Is it going
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: to tunnel down the middle? Does it get hot when
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: you still have half your cigar left and now you're
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: fighting it? And so you know, there's just certain brands
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: and certain construction methods that that I look for.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, analytics like bringing that down.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: With your bragging about his cigar smoking.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: How many do you smoke? Though? By the way, I mean,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: is that like a daily like I got home from
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: work and I need to put my feet up and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: grab a cigar? Or is that just for like special events?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: No, I'd say somewhere in between. Okay, it's it's it's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: something where you know, it's a really enjoyable process for me.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I don't want it to become abbot, but it is
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: something I enjoy, you know, trying to be pretty disciplined
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: in the other areas of my life.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: And that's that's one thing that you know, I'm willing
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: to lean into a little bit.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Got it, got it understood? All right? Man, Well, thank
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you very much. Great to catch up, good to hear you.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Great stuff on gray'sable and what do you say, let's go,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: let's go have a football season. What do you say?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Oh man, I'm I'm so ready, I'm so ready.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Check.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: I appreciate you having me man.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Jackson Evans joining us again. It's his Cigar Thoughts podcast.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: He's been doing it for years, does a great job
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: with it. Check it out at Cigar Thoughts NFL, and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: of course you can just follow him personally as well
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: at Jackson Bevans. All right, so there you go, Seahawks
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: one series. We'll do it again tomorrow. But a great
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: breakdown there of Gray's abel from Jackson Bevans. Coming up next,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: we'll recap yesterday's Mariner disaster. It's the baseball brunch not
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: suitable for children. Sports Radio ninety three point three kh
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: A RFM. He you see, there is this is no
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: way like judging anyone out there and how you spend
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: your money. That's one thing that I consistently have done
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: throughout my career. I will never tell anybody like on
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: sports talk radio how to spend your money or what
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: to spend it on, or anything like that. I'm just
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: telling you, I'm wondering, Ashley, how much money i'd have
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: to have personally that I would spend six thousand dollars
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: to sit in the rafters for Game three of the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: NBA Finals at Madison Square Garden.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: I this is the problem with it, though, right, because
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: if you have enough money that it's like, oh, money's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: no objects. You're not only spending six thousand dollars to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: sit in the rafters.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: That's like, but somebody is the lowest price to get
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: in is six thousand dollars.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's which is ridiculous. Yeah, there's people, I mean,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: people who are probably like, I've waited my whole life
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: for this. I'm gonna right, Yeah, I don't.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Say I'm not passing any judgment if somebody's like, I'd
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: do that in a heartbeat. Yeah, you spend your money
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: however you want. I'm just saying from my perspective, like,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I could be worth six
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: trillion dollars and I'm not sure that I would do that.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: I think I'd be much more apt. Like there's a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: girl that bags my groceries at Hagen, and she's awesome.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: She's just really awesome at what she does. And I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: think I would just like give her six thousand dollars
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: just to like make her day. Just like, you're really
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: good and you always have a great positive attitude, and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: this can't be the greatest job in the world, and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: you probably deal with jerks all the time and scumbags,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: and yet you keep that smile on your face and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: you're proficient and you do get it right every single time.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Here's six thousand dollars. I think I'd spend it on that. Yeah,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: for if I had like a ridiculous amount of money before,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I would spend six thousand dollars to go sit in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: the rafters and watch a game that I'd probably have
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: a lot better time watching at home.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: Agreed, Because again, yeah, at the same time, when you
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: have a lot of money too, you're like, I have
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: too much money to sit in the rafters.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I that's I mean, there's some people
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: that get off on a crowd and being a part
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: part of the crowd. They're just I mean, I've dated
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: girls that way. They're just like, you don't want to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: go out, you don't want to go be a part
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: of that. You want to go get in that mob.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Like No, that really just does not really interest me.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I would think, you know, if I'm a Knicks fan
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: and I've got that much money, I'm having people over
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: to my mansion, a hand selected group of Dieard Nick
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: fans that are also great friends of mine, and we
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: share that moment together and we get to pee without
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: having to disturb other people.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: Right, and your drinks won't cost you forty dollars.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Well, at that point, I don't think you're worried about that,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: the cost of drinks. But that's crazy though. That's a
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: ticket and New York's been waiting for this for a
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: long long time, so it's gonna be quite. I mean,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: it's just Game three. They can't obviously wrap it up tonight,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: but they they're tasting it. They this is one of
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: those situations where they're pretty much like already counting on
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: it happening, and they just got burned doing that one
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: year ago.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, all I keep hearing about is
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: how excited everyone in New York is for this, And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: you know, I do feel bad that they can't be
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: outside because I think like with the Stanley Cup playoffs
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: and the Stanley Cup, just the whole journey. One of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: my favorite things to see is when the away team
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: wins and you.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: Get to see the crowd, or when you see the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: crowd outside of the arena that couldn't get in and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: they're all out there watching on a big screen and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: cheering and celebrating. I always think that's so fun. And
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: they can't do that tonight because the President will be there.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: But on one of the shows before us, they were like,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: they should have just like, let New York have this
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: one and then.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: He could have gone to Game four.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: I'm like, well, that would have been worse because that's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: the one they if they win tonight, they could close
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: it out on that one.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: Like you couldn't deprive them of Game four not being
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: able to be out there.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't know, i'd I'm not a crowd
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: person either, so being out there, being in there wouldn't
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: like my nightmare would be.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, you go to Times Square on New Year's Eve,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: that would be awful if.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: You be one of those things, Like if I was
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: there and could get in and I'd go, Yeah, I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: mean for the experience I'd certainly go. But am I
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: going to spend six thousand dollars to sit in the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: nosebleeds just to be a part of that scene.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: No, there's not a lot of things that would spend
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: six dollars on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have to be.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: There's not a lot of things, especially not to spend
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: six thousand dollars for something that would be over in
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: three hours.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: There's definitely not a lot of things I would spend.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: And look, I'm not so like anti Knicks that hey,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: it's time. It's been a long time since they want
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: a championship, and so if if they get to do that,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: good on the Knicks. Yeah, but there's a bigger part
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: of me that is like I kind of hope you
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: get beaten by fifty.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: Tonight because you're charging people an arm and a leg
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: for tickets.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I kind of hope you're losing six. Yeah, Like the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Spurs are just like, okay, it's time to start playing ball.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: We forgot for a couple of games.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: We just wanted all these people to spend a boatload
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: of money to come here so we can embarrass and
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: makes in front of them.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, you spend six thousand dollars, just sitting in
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: the nosebleeds, not even close to Timothy Challamagne. No, yeah,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: you're not even gonna get near him, and you watch
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: your team lose by fifty five points. Yeah, I'm rooting
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, that would be fun.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: I'm chaos.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I don't hate the idea that Nicks finally get their
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: championship and they have a ball tonight, But what it
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: would be funnier? Yes, as if you lost by fifty
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's just Cal's like a just I just
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that would be an added bonus, added fun.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you could get him on to talk with you.
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  Speaker 1: I think i'd rather have him on the Mariners by then,
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, But then the Mariners are. They're not
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  Speaker 4: It's a good question.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have to see how these Well, when he's ready,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know if I did it perfectly in
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  Speaker 1: When Munos is pitching on one day rest or fewer,
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  Speaker 1: he has an zero point nine to three er. When
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  Speaker 1: he's pitching on two days rest or more, he has
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  Speaker 1: a nine point two eight er. Now do I have
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  Speaker 1: to black and white this for people?
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  Speaker 4: I would think it's pretty obvious just hearing that.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to pitch more. He thinks he needs to
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  Speaker 1: pitch more, even if it's psychological at this point, pitch
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  Speaker 1: the damn guy more. Yeah, and he when he has
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  Speaker 1: one day rest, that's the sweet spot. Five games pitched,
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  Speaker 1: five innings pitched, no runs allowed, nine strikeouts, two out
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  Speaker 1: of two, and save opportunities. That is a zero points
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  Speaker 1: he speaks, and that is I need to pitch more
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  Speaker 1: frequently to get into the rhythm that is required to
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  Speaker 1: be a dominant closer. And so I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: clear that up for you if I was at all
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  Speaker 1: confusing at eight thirty today or at seven o'clock when
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  Speaker 1: discussing that. But I don't want to discuss that here.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about trade season. We're in the
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  Speaker 1: midst of trade season. It got underway on June first.
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  Speaker 1: We're still a long way away, and so I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to hit you over the head with this, but
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  Speaker 1: I am going to pop in here and there and
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  Speaker 1: talk trades with you.
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  Speaker 4: My little tap on the shoulder, not a hit over
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  Speaker 4: the head.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love doing it. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: listeners out there are like it as well. And on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday, getting ready for the Tigers series. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Trek Scouble's name kept coming up. Jeff Passing I think
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  Speaker 1: led that all of a sudden, he's telling people that
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  Speaker 1: the best match for Trek Schouble is Seattle, which raised
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  Speaker 1: an eyebrower to nationwide and got everybody talking here locally
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  Speaker 1: about how would that work, why would that be a
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  Speaker 1: perfect fit, so on and so forth. So I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to discuss it today on the radio program. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's the perfect fit. I don't think it's a
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  Speaker 1: logical solution, and I don't think that the Mariners will
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: do that. It just doesn't feel like something they would do. Now,
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  Speaker 1: on the positive end of that, I would say, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he represents something despite how good our pitching is, that
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  Speaker 1: we don't have and very few teams actually do possess.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a top shelf starting pitcher, and
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  Speaker 1: they're only about five to ten guys on that shelf,
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  Speaker 1: so there aren't enough to go around in Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 1: and he's one of them. He's a cut up up
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  Speaker 1: we've got. We've got very good to great starting pitching here.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, great, we have great starting pitching here,
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  Speaker 1: I would agree, and we have kind of an embarrassment
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  Speaker 1: of riches, which is why we have to piggyback. It's
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  Speaker 1: why Kate Anderson is still in Double A and has
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  Speaker 1: there's no real plan for advancing him to the major
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  Speaker 1: league level because there's no room for him right now
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  Speaker 1: with this rotation. So we kind of have an embarrassment
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  Speaker 1: of riches. But that's one thing we don't have in
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  Speaker 1: our big treasure you know, treasure vault. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: one of those top shelf guys. I mean, Ryan Woo's
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  Speaker 1: not been consistent enough to claim that Bryce Miller's not
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  Speaker 1: been good enough long enough to claim that Logan has
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  Speaker 1: not taken that next step, and George certainly has not
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  Speaker 1: taken that next step, which he was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: that guy of all of them. George Kirby was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be that guy that reached the top shelf. So
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  Speaker 1: he would give us something we don't have in our stores,
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  Speaker 1: and that is somebody that is an absolute whatever team.
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  Speaker 1: He's on, no question about it, number one starter when
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  Speaker 1: a series begins, He's the guy you want to get
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  Speaker 1: the ball to. We wouldn't have a discussion about it
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  Speaker 1: like we did going into the playoffs last year, and
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  Speaker 1: when there's the season this year, and when the series
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  Speaker 1: is on the line and it's a game five, there's
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  Speaker 1: no question about who's getting the ball, and he goes
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  Speaker 1: for as long as we want, we don't have that guy.
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  Speaker 1: He would give us that guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that part is very appealing, I will say
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  Speaker 4: it is very appealing. But it does seem funny.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, to have to keep talking about how we've it's
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  Speaker 6: a good problem to have to have this many pitchers
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  Speaker 6: and then think we should add another one.
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  Speaker 1: We should add a seventh. What do we think about
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  Speaker 1: two piggybacks?
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like a great plan.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, bring up Kate Anderson. No, that's three piggybacks.
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  Speaker 4: That's all we're gonna do. We're peggybacking this whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Scooble and Miller very pitch alone. Everybody else piggybacks.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, that's that's the one end of it.
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  Speaker 1: And then the other end is the logical end of this.
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  Speaker 1: Do you really think that the Mariners, as hard as
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  Speaker 1: they hold on to their prospects. I'm not saying they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't do it, but does it make logical sense that
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  Speaker 1: they'd had a thirty two million dollar player coming off
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: and injury list and then have to give a steep
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: but not ridiculous trade package in return for him, just
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  Speaker 1: so that he could become a free agent. We are
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  Speaker 1: not re signing Trek Scooble. Terrek Scoobel's going to make
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  Speaker 1: fifty to sixty million dollars a year. Do you really
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  Speaker 1: think the Mariners are gonna pony up for that?
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  Speaker 4: That's right up there, Alley. I loft contracts like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no chance.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: They did break into the rental area last year. We
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: nearly got to the World Series. That's not something they've
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  Speaker 1: done in the past. Naylor and swore us both they
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: brought over at the trading deadline.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not quite the contracts of Schooble, though, and it
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: worked to a degree.
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  Speaker 1: We got to the American League Championship Series, and those
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  Speaker 1: two guys, even though Gino didn't hit that much with
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: us obviously one of the biggest postseason hits ever in
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  Speaker 1: franchise history. And it worked, It worked, and I think
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: it did loosen them up. I think they do consider
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: rental players going forward, but considering what he might demand,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: that sound like something they would do. They kind of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: doubled down over the weekend and said, we're not trading
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: any of our six starters at the trading We're not
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: even thinking about that. Well, you clearly would have to
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: trade one of those guys, because I know we're joking,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't have two piggybacks in your rotation.
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  Speaker 4: No, we're going for three, that's all.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: You can't have three. And I think Kate Anderson is
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: going to play a factor before this season comes to
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: a close, so we can't have three piggybacks for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 1: So I just don't think it even makes logical sense. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I really wanted to deal with because
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: I love trade season. But with trade season comes silly season.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna put this frankly, some of you
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: guys don't have a clue of what a major league
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: trade looks like. And I'm really tired of your lopsided
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  Speaker 1: nonsense showing up on my timeline. You don't know how
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: to make a major league A lot of you are
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  Speaker 1: making MLB trades and you don't know how to do it. Okay,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: you don't understand what for what get your stuff together,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to like elevate myself like, oh,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I see and you don't. No, no, no, this is
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: just studying, This is just looking at other trades. This
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: is how this is how I do it, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty accurate with it. Like you look at what's a
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: comparable trade that has been made in recent history, and
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: the most comparable thing that you can come up with
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: is Juan Soto and not Juan Soto from the Nationals
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  Speaker 1: to the Padres. That's a completely different animal. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about Juan Soto from the Padres to the Yankees. When
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  Speaker 1: Wan Soto went from the Nationals to the Padres, the Padres,
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  Speaker 1: theoretically we're getting him for three postseason runs two and
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: a half years. That's what he had left on his contract,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: for three postseason runs with arguably the best hitter in
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, you're gonna have to give up a ton.
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  Speaker 1: That's when you do bring up names like Aid Anderson
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: and Ryan So you got to bring out your big,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: big guns. I mean, Washington got James Wood out of
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: that deal, c j Abrams out of that deal, and
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: about five other prospects that are either are contributing or
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: still might contribute to it. So three years of Juan
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Soto at a very cheap contract. Yeah, that's pretty much.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: You name your price and that's what you get, right.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: But when you were talking about him going from the
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  Speaker 1: Padres to the Yankees and he only had they had
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: one year with him, that's it. One year, and then
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: after that, oh yeah, his contract is third year arbitration,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: so it was high. And then if you're going to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: keep him, I mean, it's astronomical. As we saw, Sodo
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: broke the bank. So what was the deal. It was
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Michael King, a very good, young, controllable starting pitcher that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: can slip right into your starting room rotation if your
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: San Diego, which he did, which he has and continues
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: to do today. And then they gave up a backup
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: thirty two year old catcher in Kyle Hagashioka. And then
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: they got three good but not great prospects. That's what
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: you got for a full season of an everyday player
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: to an organization that had the money to keep him
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: beyond the one year. I mean, the Yankees obviously gave
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Soto a tremendous offer, they just didn't quite give one
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: as high as the New York Mets did. So completely
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: different ball game there, right, and yet the price for
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: that was one good, established, young, controllable starter, a backup
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: catcher because the Padres hoard backup catchers for some reason,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: and then three good but not great prospects that that
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: was the value. So that's the template that we work
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: off of when you think about a Terrek Scooble trade.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: And so it's not near Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: and Las Montes. No chance are we trading any of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: those guys. I wouldn't trade one of those guys for
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: two months of Jesus at the back end of our
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: you know, at the top of our rotation. Hey, no
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: chance are they going to give up that? Now? Would
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: they give up something? Yes, I think there's a world
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: that they would give up something. But it's if we
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: use Soto as the template. And keep in mind we're
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: only getting a half season from Schooble and he's coming
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: off an injury and we actually beat him in the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: playoffs right last year. Troy Melton was the guy that
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: gave us trouble last year in the Tiger Series, but
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: we're also not going to keep him. So those are
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: three essential variables to try and figure out what we
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: would give up for Terrek Scooble. So as that template,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: you're probably going to have to give up one of
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: your controllable young starters. Not Gilbert because he's only got
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: one year after this. It would be Kirby, wu Miller
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: or Hancock, one of those. And then you probably are
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: going to have to give up a couple good but
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: not great prospects. That's going to be the value of him,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now. And I got a gasp
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: when I said this to Jackson. I don't think I
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: got a gasp out of Hugh. But Jackson and Hugh
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: were doing a show on Friday and had me on,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: and I said, you could get Trek Schouble for Bryce Miller,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: straight up. You could get that trade, hey, one for one.
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  Speaker 1: You could get that because of how good Miller looks,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: how controllable he is going forward, and the Tigers may
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: have just replaced there. I can't afford him ace with
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Bryce Miller, who looks like he's ready to be an
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: ace for somebody right now. And yet I don't think
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: the Mariners would do that for two three months of
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Trek's Schoobel.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: No versus what you could get from Miller still.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Versus four years of Miller and so and look and
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: then it's not exactly an area of need. Man, if
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be spending trade capital on something, better be
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: a hitter her. Yeah. I get Schooble gives you something
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: that you don't have, But we're not gonna miss out
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: on the World Series because we don't have enough starting pitching.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: And don't forget Kate Anderson is going to factor into this.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: I've already named him the September South Paul. I've named
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: him that three months ago. He is gonna be in
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: this rotation come September, and he's going to contribute to
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: this this thing going forward. All right, So the idea
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: that you're going to give up top some big, giant,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: massive package, more so than what want Sodo commanded going
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: from the Padres and the Yankees, that's folly. Yeah, it
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: will require quite a bit too much, frankly for a
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: rental player, but it's not going to be the absurd
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: trade packages that you're reading about online. There is a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: world where it could happen. I don't have any doubt
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: about that. I think there's a far more likely chance
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen. But if it does. If it
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: does happen, then it's going to be one of your younger, controllable,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: established starters. My guess would be like a Hancock, and
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: then you would tack on two good prospects on that.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: We got plenty of them. No, maybe a couple of
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: names you wouldn't want to hear. Oh, they'll make you uncomfortable, like, oh,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to give up for Melo. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: maybe something like that. But it's not going to be
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Montes is not going to be Sloan, it's not going
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: to be Anderson is not going to be Miller, and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be wo. There's no way we're
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: including those guys in a trade for Derek Schooble. At
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: least that's my feeling on it. So yeah, so that
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: that's it. If and if I'm adding somebody, and I
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: know he I know what. People they balk at the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: idea of Byron Buxton because he gets hurt a lot.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah he does, he does. And I know he got
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: hurt over the weekend. He ran into a wall. It
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: tends to jar a person. Okay, So he's been mostly
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: healthy the last two and a half years, and when
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: he's right, man, Is he right? And he's also affordable
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: and he's under contract. I'm I'm with those who are
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: saying online, I'd rather have the hitter, and I think
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Buxton's going to be the best available hitter. And I
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: get that he's on got a trade no trade clause,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: but he's already softened on that. So please follow your
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: current events before you snap at me and try to
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: correct me. He already softened on that this off season,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: and if he gets to the right team, he's starting
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: to get to that age where he's thinking about, oh, man,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna win a championship, it's not gonna be
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: with the rebuilding Twins, is it. So he has already
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: softened on whether or not he would wave the no
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: trade claws. Said apparently he's already said he'd do it
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: for the Braves, and I think he'd do it for
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: the Mariners as well.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: So let's find out.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's find out. I'd like to have him. You
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: got to make sure he's okay. You got to make
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: sure that they didn't jar too much loose when he
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: hit that wall Friday night. And he is an injury risk,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: there's no question about it. But man, he's been mostly
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: healthy the last two and a half years. And if
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: you can get him healthy, he can carry a team.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: He can carry a team. He's that special. Plus he
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: can play defense, so it fixes another hole on the team. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: all right, coming up next, not done with the Mariners,
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  Speaker 1: ABC's of the MS Come your way next on Sports
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  Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. They really set their watch.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: But it's Chuck and it's Ashley with you. And yes,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: we've done a lot of baseball today. I had a
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: lot to get off my chest, took two days off
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what, it is baseball season. I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: don't know if you know that it's also trade season.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: So those are things that have to be talked about.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean when Ariana Grande goes two days without
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: singing and then not eating, she can't wait till Monday
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: to not eat and sing.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, sing a lot to make up for all the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: non singing, right right and non eating.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: She's got to catch up. She's got ketch up to
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: those things will ketch up. Yeah, it's just two things
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: she loves, not eating and singing. So when she goes
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: when all she does is eat and not sing over
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: the weekend. She can't wait to reverse it exactly. That's
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: kind of what I'm doing today.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: I am your ariana Grande of baseball.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: I've always thought that about you.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the ABC's. We left off at the
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: letter to unless you did the ABCS. Did you do
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: the ABC's while I.
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  Speaker 4: Was We did it on Thursday, We did not do
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  Speaker 4: it on Friday.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Oh geez, well it's too late. I went with what
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I asked off fin I left off of the letter
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Jay oh for ith, Jay is for Josh. We've not
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: talked about Josh. What a weird weekend for Josh Naylor.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: This weekend, the Tiger fans all decided they hate him.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: He did some things that certainly would irritate an opponent,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: irritate a fan base even more so than the opponent.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: But I kind of, I don't know, maybe we're just
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: maybe this is what being a fan is that I'm
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: sitting here, like, why are you guys overreacting to all
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: of this? I mean, other than the mitten throw at Dingler,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty cheap.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: I thought it was hilarious, but that's because these ours
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: if it was somebody else, i'd be up in an uproar.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: But I don't get why the anger over the slide
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: like he was in the base path that he didn't
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: come anywhere close to hitting. Yeah chorus, I've seen a
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: lot dirtier slides than that that nobody even batter than
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: I at and yet.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Just because now they want to be angry at him.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: So yes, I mean, even Cold Keith of the Tiger
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: said afterwards, Yeah, you don't like him when you're playing
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: against him, but you probably do like him if you're
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: playing with him. Yeah, And I guess he's that type
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: of player. When he was at the Guardians, I don't
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: know if I disliked him, but he certainly played with
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: an edge, There's no question about it. You certainly understand
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: why he might get under an opponent's skin. I just
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: didn't think that his sins rose to some level that
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: warranted him getting booed and called dirty all weekend long
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: on social media. And even I mean, that's that's kind
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: of close. Cold Keith kind of went close to calling
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: him out publicly. And that's a young player. It's not
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: like Errek Scoogle saying it. So I don't know. I mean, yeah,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: he's a he's an irritating guy if he's on the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: other team, and he does every once in a while
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: some questionable things, and when he goes to cover the bag,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: he puts his own body at risk. He's not trying
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: to hurt anybody else. It's just his statement that I'm
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: going to put my own body ris.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, and that at first base it was like, no,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: he was not going to intentionally try to hurt there
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: they're a runner, because first of all, he would have
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: ended up probably hurt himself, so that would have been
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: a stupid move. But because they're already irritated, it's like,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: oh well, now, oh look what he did.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: Now we can put all of this in. He threw
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: a mit, he almost collided, you know, full had a
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: full collision, and everything is blown out of proportion. Again,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: if he was not on my team, I'd probably be
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: the same way and hate him. But I love him.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he definitely falls in that category. I
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: just to me, I could not I didn't think that
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: his actions rose to meeting that kind of criticism. Now
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I do have criticism up because that wasn't all he
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: did this weekend. His defense has been sloppy at times
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: and then brilliant at times, like they kept Aaron and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Ryan gave and Hyphen gave him the credit, gave Cole
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: jung all the credit on that great play. No, it
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: was good play. I mean he stretched Nailer made that play.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: And then two innings later, Wisdom gets the air on
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: a ball that I could have caught at first base,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: and that was just Josh being lazy over Yeah. So
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: and then he gets thrown out trying to steal. And
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna come down too hard on him, because
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: that's how he has to steal bases. He has to
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: sort of stemartive instinctively. I'm ahead of you, and I've
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: figured out your move, and I'm gonna get there before
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: you can figure me out. And so you're gonna get
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: caught occasionally playing a game that way. Yeah, But he
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: just had a hot and cold week, and he's kind
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: of had a hot and cold season so far this year.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: He has, and we talked a little bit about him
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: last week too, and just I was looking up his
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: numbers from last year when he came to the Mariners. Defensively,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 6: I think he had a point seven war in the
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: second half of the season defensively two point two overall,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: and when he was here and he's at like a
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: point minus point seven narrow.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Or something making errors.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one. Last year was definitely an anomaly with
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: what we saw when he came here.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: We were not we were gifted some exceptional defense from him,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: which is not doesn't seem to be how his career
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: has usually been.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: This year seems to be more on par with how
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: he is. But it seems extra sloppy.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: But it's not it's not anything. I mean, you can
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: see the skill over there. It's it's a lack of focus,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: it seems like it at times, Yeah, and taking too
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: many risks, and you know that that needs to be
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: curbed because I think he definitely has the glove work
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: skill over there, and we know how knowledgeable he is,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: how smart he is, but I think he's just trying
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: to be too clever when he's between the lines, and
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's costing him. All Right, Kay is for
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: CAD this September South Paul and I don't know if
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: he'll be used in the starting rotation, as I said
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: in the previous segment, but I wanted to just clear
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: it up. I do think he is going to be used.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: Kate Anderson our top prospect now that Emerson's cult. Emerson
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: is up with the club. He's certainly our best prospect
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: right now and he's dominating Double A. They're going to
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: use him this hit. Yeah, They're limiting his innings on
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: a night by night basis for a reason, because they
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: want him to have enough gas left in the tank
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: to be able to use him probably in September and
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: then into the playoffs. Now, whether or not that's as
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: a starter, I don't know. Maybe it will be some
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: sort of bullpen piece, long relief piece that they could
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: use as a weapon because the rest of the league
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: has not seen him yet. But Kate Anderson is going
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: to be used, I can promise.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: You, and I hope he is because I think everybody
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: would be really excited to see him.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: And he won't be involved in a schoob Bal trade
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: or a Buxton trade or any other trade or piggyback.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: He just had to throw that out there.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Finally, l is for the Lazes. I don't know. It's
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: hard for me to believe that I would ever have
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: el As for Laz and yet I got two lasses.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about today. It's got to be
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: a record, so laz Diaz showed it yesterday. First of all,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I love the ABS challenge system. I think it's added
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: so much to the viewing experience and to the game,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: a lot more than I thought it would, and I
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: thought it was going to add a lot. But I
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: think in fairness, what it's highlighted to me is how
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: much how good the umpires really are, that their statistics
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: are on par with hitters and better than something. Looks
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: it sounds like the catchers are better than the umpires
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: when they're challenging, and they're challenging fifty to fifty balls,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: but the umpires are kicking the crap out of hitters,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: So I think we need to acknowledge how good they are.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the last Das comes
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: into your world and they're like, see, it's not just
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: highlighting how good the umpires actually are, it's also highlighting
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: how bad the bad ones are. He needs to go, yeah,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: he's not good, and you know it is.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: It is interesting because obviously, when the catchers are doing
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: their challenges, they're the only ones that have a better
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: view of where the pitch actually went.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: Than the umpire does. So it makes sense that they
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: would be, you know, be able to get some of
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: those cos they're.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Also trying to fool the umpire, right, They're not trying
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: to fool themselves, right.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: Exactly that too. But yeah, then it's just I don't know.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: I find myself as you. I'm fascinated by this ABS
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: challenge system. It brings a lot. But boy, when the
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: umpire is bad, it is glaring.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Glaring, right, and then we still can't take advantage of them.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: So we had one of the bad umpires last night
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: and we lost versus last Dias on a day in
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: which he was completely off his game.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and here's an excuseable.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Dylan Dingler won like seventy four challenges yesterday and we
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: went one for three. Yes, I mean, how bad can
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: we be at this? I want it taken away from Randy.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: He's lost all of his privileges. He doesn't know when
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: to use it.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: He just does not know when to use He gets
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: a little emotional, which is what we said before it started,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: like you cannot be using it in the situation where
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: it's kind of trying to help your ego.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: The other lass is Las Montes I was told on
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: air and off air by Justin Hollander himself when I
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: joked that Las Montes is going to hit forty home
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: runs this year, and I was a joke. I was
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: kind of kidding around, and he said, if Las Montes
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: is hitting forty home runs this year, I promise you
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: some of those are going to be in a Mariner uniform.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: That's what he said.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Las Montes is at seventeen home runs and we're not
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: even to the All Star break. He is on fire
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: since June. Oh, he's hitting five hundred since June started
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: and has already hit five home runs this month. Now,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: he doesn't hit lefties. I looked up the splits. I mean,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: he's really struggling against lefties. So you would undoubtedly if
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: if you brought him up at some point this year,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: you'd have to use him in a platoon. He'd have
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: to be Rayley's or ken Zone. There's no room for
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: another one of those guys. You can't have three of
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: those guys on the team, so he's got to be
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: one or the other. Right, But I mean, he's tearing
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: the car. He's at seventeen home runs already, He's at
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: five this month. For Arkansas. So he's absolutely on fire
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: if he's locked in, if he's figured something out at
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: this stage in his young career. He's only twenty one,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: but they compare him to or Don Alvarez, for goodness sake,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: pretty good comparison to have as a power hitter. So
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: if he's suddenly turned that page, if he's figured something out,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: and we'll need more time to monitor that. According to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Hollander himself, he will be up with this team, and
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering where and how That's what I'm wearing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Let's go, all right, one last thing next to close
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  Speaker 1: out the show. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM