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Utah College Teen Found Naked, Covered in Coal at Alleged Kidnapper’s House · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, A small town shocked when
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Speaker 1: a teen girl goes missing. To take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirteen. This is the place Madeline
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Speaker 1: Allen was last seen on Monday night. The college says
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Speaker 1: it's been all hands on deck ever since her roommate
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Speaker 1: reported her missing. Local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies
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Speaker 1: are involved interviewing people, looking through phone records, doing everything
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Speaker 1: they can to bring Maddie home. The Snowhall dorm security
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Speaker 1: cameras capture Madeline Allen leaving nine twenty two Monday night,
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Speaker 1: heading out into the cold carrying a plastic bag, dressed
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Speaker 1: in a white jacket and skirt. Freshman Arianna Maston has
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Speaker 1: spent the last two days worrying about her friends whereabouts.
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Speaker 1: I had theater today actually, and it was it's just
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Speaker 1: so different, like without her being there, because it's like
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Speaker 1: she should be here, she should be sitting with us.
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Speaker 1: She says, it's not in Maddie's character to just leave
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Speaker 1: overnight like that, especially during finals week. She would not
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Speaker 1: just take off like that, Like that's not Maddie at all.
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Speaker 1: Snow College's Public Safety and Police department is taking the
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Speaker 1: lead on the investigation. It's also working with several county
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Speaker 1: sheriff departments, state troopers, and even the FBI. Wow all
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Speaker 1: hands on deck in the search for teen girl Maddie
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Speaker 1: with me and all Star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know. Stacy Hanowitz, Assistant state Attorney, joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Florida. She has a specialty of sex crimes
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Speaker 1: and working with children and teens. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists,
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Speaker 1: joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com. Dan Korsantina, former police chief, former sheriff, former
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Speaker 1: adviser to the Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, now private
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Speaker 1: investigator at Dan Korcentino dot com. Also with US. Special
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Speaker 1: guests joining US. Emmy Award winning investigative reporter Christie Missourich.
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Speaker 1: But first take a listen to our cut. Two thoughts thirteens,
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Speaker 1: Emily tints her it's so hard when you're not sure
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Speaker 1: if they're okay, and when they just kind of drop
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Speaker 1: off and you're not sure where they're at or if
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Speaker 1: they're okay. Dean of Students Mike Daniels doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: speculate on the suspicious nature of this case, but he
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Speaker 1: says there are red flags. When Tuesday night snowstorm rolled in,
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Speaker 1: he thought of Maddie missing in an outfit not equipped
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Speaker 1: for freezing temperatures. You hope that she saved. You hope
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Speaker 1: that she's warm last night, you know, before into bed.
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Speaker 1: I just hope she was comfortable and had peace and
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Speaker 1: was comfortable and safe. Snow College believes this is an
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Speaker 1: isolated incident and that others are not in danger. Now
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Speaker 1: the Badger community waits for Maddie's return and praise She's okay.
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Speaker 1: This never happens here, and so that's why it was
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Speaker 1: so alarming. That's why we want to find her, and
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Speaker 1: that's why we hope she's safe. Anyone who saw anything suspicious,
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Speaker 1: or anyone who knows anything is urged to call police.
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Speaker 1: The number is four three, five, two eight, three seventy
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Speaker 1: one seventy. Before I launch into the facts of the case,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Stacy Hanowitz. Why do people
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Speaker 1: always say things like like we just heard the Dane
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Speaker 1: say this doesn't happen here. Well, it did, and it
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Speaker 1: does has probably happened before, but he just doesn't know
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Speaker 1: about it. Why do people think they're somehow protected because
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Speaker 1: they live and I don't know a safe community, because
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Speaker 1: they don't go jogging at night, because they look both
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Speaker 1: ways at the stop sign. Why do people always think
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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to them or anybody they know, well,
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Speaker 1: because they live in a bubble and they probably haven't
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Speaker 1: been around a situation where it's occurred with someone that
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Speaker 1: they know or close to them or something like that.
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Speaker 1: So it's easy. It's very easy for us to say,
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Speaker 1: it could never be in our ablhood, it could never
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Speaker 1: be at our school, It could never happen where we live.
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Speaker 1: I see it all the time. I see it in
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Speaker 1: the sex crime cases that I have. When it involved
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Speaker 1: a rabbi or a police, the first thing people say is, oh,
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Speaker 1: it could have never happened here. We're a temple, were
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Speaker 1: a church. Well, suffice to say, if you openly news
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Speaker 1: and if you read the paper, and if you see
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Speaker 1: the TV shows, it can happen anytime, anywhere, to anyone.
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Speaker 1: I will never forget covering a case now that she
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Speaker 1: said that. Stacy Honowitz of Rabbi Fred and Neilander, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember his case, but his congregation
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Speaker 1: at absolutely could not believe that he was guilty as
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Speaker 1: murder murdering his own wife because he had been sleeping
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Speaker 1: with so many people in his congregation and wanted her
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Speaker 1: out of the way. It's just and had his son
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Speaker 1: fine mom's body and nobody people to this day still
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Speaker 1: don't believe Rabbi Fred Neilander did it. It's just amazing
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Speaker 1: to me when you say live in a bubble to you,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. I think
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Speaker 1: it may be as Stacy says, living in a bubble,
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Speaker 1: or it may be a way to protect yourself. For instance,
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Speaker 1: I read about a school shooting and I think, wow,
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Speaker 1: well that's not going to happen at the Twins school
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Speaker 1: because they have locked down, because you can't get in,
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Speaker 1: because all the doors are secured, because it's in a
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Speaker 1: low crime area. Blah blah blah. Why so I can
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Speaker 1: bring myself to take him to school every morning? Exactly?
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Speaker 1: We all have to. I think that's part of living
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Speaker 1: in our bubble. But we all live in we all
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Speaker 1: have to sort of think, oh, thank god dodged a bullet.
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Speaker 1: That one didn't happen to me. I think it makes
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Speaker 1: you feel safe so you can carry on exactly exactly
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Speaker 1: Nancy living Okay, just like living in some of these
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Speaker 1: crime ridden cities right now, if we're not carjacked while
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Speaker 1: we're pumping our gas, we go, oh, thank god, I
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Speaker 1: went to the right gas station today, right. But it
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Speaker 1: could happen to any of us. Any of these things
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Speaker 1: could happen to any of us. You know, I find
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Speaker 1: it really interesting that she was in the middle of
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Speaker 1: finals when she went missing. You know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: people would say one of two things. One, she would
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Speaker 1: never crap out during finals. She would never leave, That's
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Speaker 1: just not her. While others would say something like, oh,
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Speaker 1: too much pressure final exams. She crapped out. She left us.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't want to tell her parents to you. Christie,
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Speaker 1: Missouri Emmy Award winning investigative reporter joining us. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about the initial disappearance of teen girl Mattie Allen. Well,
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Speaker 1: going back to that bubble that you were all speaking about,
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Speaker 1: No college is a quaint campus. There are only six
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Speaker 1: thousand students between two locations. So this is at a
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Speaker 1: University of Michigan, a Georgia tech where tens of thousands
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Speaker 1: of kids are running around a city. So nothing was
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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. When everybody was studying for finals.
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Speaker 1: Some people were walking around campus meeting with friends. It
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Speaker 1: didn't seem odd Maddie was a good student, came from
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Speaker 1: a very upstanding family. Take a listen to our cut four.
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Speaker 1: This is matt Rascon at KSL News. Police say on Monday,
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Speaker 1: she walked out of her dorman into the cold at
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Speaker 1: nine twenty two pm with a plastic bag, a skirt
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Speaker 1: and a light white jacket, and they believe her phone.
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Speaker 1: We put a law work into tracking those messages. Chief
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Speaker 1: Derek Walks says they don't know where she was headed
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Speaker 1: or whether she's with someone. Everything associated with that would
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Speaker 1: be a speculation, but I do hope someone is with her,
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Speaker 1: and I hope that they are friendly. The FBI and
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Speaker 1: other agencies are assisting in the investigation. From our family
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Speaker 1: to yours, and as Mattie's parents, we are asking for
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Speaker 1: your help and the family is pleading for the public
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Speaker 1: to read the word about Maddie. We love you beyond
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Speaker 1: our ability to express, and we're here for you and
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Speaker 1: the desperate search to find her, and we're anxious for
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Speaker 1: you to come home and be with us for Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Such a tough time for family. Tips in this search
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Speaker 1: are now going to the Sanpede County Sheriff's office. The
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Speaker 1: family has also set up a Facebook page to help.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand, Christie Missouri. She walked out into
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Speaker 1: the snow, and she had a placid bag with her,
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Speaker 1: and I understand she was wearing a skirt and a
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Speaker 1: light white jacket. And they believe she had her phone
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Speaker 1: with her. Of course she had her phone with her.
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Speaker 1: What tane doesn't have a phone with them? Were there
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras at the dorm when she walked out? Is
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Speaker 1: that how we know that Christy missourik That is exactly
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Speaker 1: how police know that, and that's how he knows she
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Speaker 1: wasn't dressed for the elements. This is winter time in Utah,
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Speaker 1: winter time in Utah. So Dan Corsentino, former police chief,
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Speaker 1: sheriff Homeland Security, at this juncture, what de cops do now,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you most police would say, oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: she is probably out, meaning her boyfriend, so I'm not
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Speaker 1: too worried. That's typically what we hear. No, you're exactly right.
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Speaker 1: Most police, for their own policy and procedure, are going
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Speaker 1: to take an incident report. They're going to tell the
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Speaker 1: parents tell the other students of concern. We're going to
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Speaker 1: have to wait and if anything shows up to suggest
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Speaker 1: that there is a further evidence of this person with
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Speaker 1: suspicious behavior, come back to us and we'll take a
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Speaker 1: look at it. Which dank Orcentina. How many times do
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Speaker 1: you hear of, or investigate or work on a case
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Speaker 1: where the child ends up the team, the person ends
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Speaker 1: up dead or kidnapped when police have said, oh I
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Speaker 1: just ran away, they'll turn out that drives me crazy. Yeah, regrettably,
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Speaker 1: it happens a lot. There's got to be some collaborating
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Speaker 1: evidence before the police get involved, or there's got to
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Speaker 1: be an extended period of time that this individual is missing.
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Speaker 1: And in this case, things changed as we'll talk to you.
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Speaker 1: You're so right about that. Things certainly did change. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut five. This is Emily Tensor
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Speaker 1: Fox thirteen. As each hour passes and as cold weather
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Speaker 1: kicks in, the Alan family gets more and more concerned
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Speaker 1: about Maddie's whereabouts. I believe she's facing a mental health
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Speaker 1: crisis and is praying she's somewhere safe and warm. Hi.
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Speaker 1: I'm Maddie Allen and I will be sharing twenty five
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Speaker 1: Facts about Me. Meet Madeline Allan. She's a nineteen year
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Speaker 1: old college student with a YouTube channel, a comforting smile
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Speaker 1: in a future full of potential. I love ice cream.
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Speaker 1: I have two hundred and thirty seven percent earrings. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of a lot. Love movies. I could watch some
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Speaker 1: all day if I could. It's now been over seventy
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Speaker 1: two hours since security cameras last saw her Monday night,
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Speaker 1: leaving her dorm at Snow Hall. So, dear friends, from
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Speaker 1: our family to yours, and as Mattie's parents, we are
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Speaker 1: asking for your help. You can hear the father or
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen breaking down, his voice cracking as he asked
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Speaker 1: for help to find his teen girl, Mattie. Now take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut six spots thirteen. Her father,
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen, says she's been a fighter since birth. I
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Speaker 1: am a PREMI I was born at twenty six weeks
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Speaker 1: early and I'm one pound ounces. At her birth, she
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Speaker 1: experienced a brain bleed and had a number of other
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Speaker 1: issues at that time, and since then, she's faced a
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Speaker 1: myriad of challenges, including disability, as well as mental and
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Speaker 1: emotional difficulties. Snow College believes her disappearance is an isolated
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Speaker 1: incident and that no students are in danger. Public Safety
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Speaker 1: Police Chief Derek Waugh says they're looking at her cell
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Speaker 1: phone records hoping to find her. We are following all
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Speaker 1: leads and appreciate all tips that we get. A disappearance
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Speaker 1: like this has never happened at Snow College before. Dalan
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Speaker 1: family is asking for your help and pleading with Maddie
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Speaker 1: to return home. We see you, and we love you
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Speaker 1: beyond our ability to express, and we're here for you
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Speaker 1: and we're anxious for you to come home and be
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Speaker 1: with us for Christmas. If you have any information that
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Speaker 1: could help in the search for Mattie, call Sanpete County
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Speaker 1: Dispatch to you. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Being the mom of two children, both extremely premature,
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Speaker 1: how does that affect the rest of their life? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: If you have to start with a baby who is
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Speaker 1: so premature and you have to care for that baby
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Speaker 1: and watch over it just for its life, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's not born at a normal age. And oftentimes when
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Speaker 1: babies are very premature, like it sounds like this little
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Speaker 1: girl was, there are sequela that come along with that.
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Speaker 1: There are things that she suffers from because of her prematurity.
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Speaker 1: So another, rather than being able to give your child
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Speaker 1: a little leeway as they grow up, as most parents
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Speaker 1: can do to help them grow up, you develop a
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Speaker 1: sense that you need to care for that child all
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Speaker 1: the time and you're sort of always worried about them
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Speaker 1: because you don't really know when the next shoe might
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Speaker 1: jop drop and you may find out something else that
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Speaker 1: happened to the girl that hasn't been exposed yet simply
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Speaker 1: due to her prematurity. Time stories with Nancy Grace to
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Speaker 1: Jane Corcentina forem Police, how should the search go down
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Speaker 1: from Mattie, Well, the search should go down once the
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Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies receive information that they believe to be credible. However,
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Speaker 1: there are unusual situations, and the unusual situations when parents
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Speaker 1: come forward or someone comes forward with evidence which is
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Speaker 1: or information which maybe outside the realm of normal behavior
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Speaker 1: of the potential victim that's involved in the case. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what I found interesting in this, Dan Corsontino,
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Speaker 1: is that, as we were discussing earlier, so many law
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Speaker 1: enforcement personnel when they find out somebody's missing out, oh
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Speaker 1: they ran away, They'll be back in a day, or
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Speaker 1: she's off with her boyfriend, or she's cheating on her
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Speaker 1: husband and they're probably in some hotel somewhere. In this case,
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Speaker 1: when parents went to police, police immediately took it seriously.
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Speaker 1: Did you notice that, Dan Corsantino, So the police should
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Speaker 1: be applauded. The police did the very good job in
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Speaker 1: taking this seriously, in getting their team together and sharing
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Speaker 1: that information. They did a great job on this. You know.
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Speaker 1: Then we find out as the search goes on for her,
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Speaker 1: Christie Missurich, an unusual text emerged. Explain one solitary text
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Speaker 1: Nancy was received by her parents three words I love you,
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Speaker 1: nothing more, nothing less, and the parents found that very
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Speaker 1: odd because she didn't respond to their reply. Interesting. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that, Stacy Honowitz? I think
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Speaker 1: parents are the ones who know the behavior of their
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Speaker 1: child the best. And if she's number one not in
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Speaker 1: the habit of texting I love you to them, that
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Speaker 1: could the number the first thing. And the second thing
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Speaker 1: is if they tested her and she didn't text back.
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Speaker 1: So I think having the parents on board and be
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Speaker 1: able to describe it as unusual behavior or something that
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Speaker 1: really helped the police jump right on the Dan Korcentino.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was so much that she texted
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Speaker 1: I love you. It was other circumstances surrounding the text
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and it was not receiving a
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Speaker 1: text back. Obviously, the message between parents and daughter in
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Speaker 1: this case, if one parent, if the daughter is saying
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Speaker 1: I love you, and the parents are not getting a response,
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Speaker 1: then we have a situation which is suspicious. And they
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Speaker 1: brought that to the police, and the police acted. It's
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Speaker 1: like just you know, common behavior, doctor Angel Arnold. Somebody
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Speaker 1: text you, they text back, so you know they've got
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Speaker 1: their phone in their hand, and you text them and
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Speaker 1: they never answer. You know they've got the phone in
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Speaker 1: their hand, So why are they not texting back, such
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Speaker 1: as where are you? Are very sick and they don't
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Speaker 1: text back? Yeah, because you know, Nancy, with all of
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Speaker 1: this texting as it has evolved, we learn different patterns
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Speaker 1: about people, don't wait. We learn if they text a lot,
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Speaker 1: when they respond, if they text right away, miscy. I
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Speaker 1: have got certain people that I can text them and
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Speaker 1: I know that they are not going to text me back.
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Speaker 1: It's very frustrating. I don't know how you're talking about
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Speaker 1: it's not to use to me, but it's very it's
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Speaker 1: very frustrating. But I have learned their patterns, and I've
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Speaker 1: learned if people text back a lot or a little,
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Speaker 1: just as people have learned their patterns about me. So
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Speaker 1: I'm quite sure that these parents know what their daughter's
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Speaker 1: pattern is. And thank and you know what, kudos to
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Speaker 1: them for jumping on this. And like the other guest
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Speaker 1: on the show said, kudos to the police. And then
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Speaker 1: after a massive search, a break in the case, listen
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Speaker 1: full to announce that Madeline Allen has been found and
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Speaker 1: reunited with her family. Our investigating our investigative team has
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Speaker 1: spent countless hours following leads, you lazing investigative tool, interviewing others,
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Speaker 1: and analyzing data. That focus, dedicated, selfless hard work and
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Speaker 1: multiple law enforcement officers paid off last night when Madeline
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Speaker 1: was located. Madeleine was taken to a nearby hospital for
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Speaker 1: an examination, after which she was able to interact with
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Speaker 1: her family. Found alive. Do you know how rare that is,
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Speaker 1: Dan Corsentino, Yes, that's extremely rare in these situations, And
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Speaker 1: it appears that because of the police of search, in
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Speaker 1: their relentless efforts in a ground search. This case came
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Speaker 1: out successful. You know they mentioned data, They mentioned data.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean, Christie Missouri? That suggests cell phone?
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, the police's favorite thing, a ping. A pain
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Speaker 1: led them to her explain, it's off of cell towers.
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Speaker 1: So remember she texted her parents I love you. That
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Speaker 1: text message bounced up a cell tower and police were
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Speaker 1: able to backtrack somewhat a nearer location of where she
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Speaker 1: was and says, this is a rural area, Stacy Hanowitz,
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Speaker 1: there are only a certain number of houses to search,
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Speaker 1: all right, So a pain can actually place you within
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Speaker 1: about a block from where the cell phone is. Stacy,
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Speaker 1: is that correct? That's correct? And in cases like this,
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Speaker 1: what happens is the police apply for a warrant to
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Speaker 1: get this kind of information, these pings from these cell towers,
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Speaker 1: a warrant assigned and they're able to tap into this information,
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Speaker 1: and just like you said, because it's a rural area,
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Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of towers around, they're able
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Speaker 1: to kind of hone in on the location. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to what we learn from the police pressor and
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Speaker 1: when where was that she was found in a house
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Speaker 1: in Wayne County. This teen girl a Utah college student
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Speaker 1: found a live, naked covered in coal in the basement
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Speaker 1: of a nearly forty year old man, nearly a week
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Speaker 1: after she vanished from her dorm room. Let that sink in,
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Speaker 1: She's found alive. A teen girl found alive, covered in
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Speaker 1: coal in the basement of a nearly forty year old man,
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Speaker 1: five days after she goes missing from her dorm room.
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Speaker 1: First of all, to you, Christy Missouri, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about this perv? Brent Brown? Well, they don't,
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Speaker 1: being law enforcement, don't have a real big history on him.
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Speaker 1: That's why they're delving into him. Not a serious rocker,
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Speaker 1: he had some traffic issues, but he is someone who
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Speaker 1: likes to meet women. Okay, you know what, christ Teams.
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Speaker 1: I know you're an Emmy Award winning investigative reporter, but
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Speaker 1: I would hardly qualify a guy making a woman's stripped down,
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Speaker 1: getting her covered in black coal, stay naked, and have
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Speaker 1: her locked in the basement. I don't think that that
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Speaker 1: equates with likes to meet women. You lost your mind? Woman? What? Yes?
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Speaker 1: He admitted to police. Yep, I cat wallet and phone
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Speaker 1: tied her up while he's at work, later claiming it
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Speaker 1: was part of a kidnap role play, yell like she
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Speaker 1: wanted to be in the basement, covered in cole, completely
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Speaker 1: naked for days on end. You know, Christie mssurk, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to give you a moment to review your notes.
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Speaker 1: I will crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, Stacy
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Speaker 1: hanowit's he played kat and mouse. He toyed with this
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Speaker 1: teen girl for this number of days. You think he
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Speaker 1: planned to let her go, let her live at the
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Speaker 1: end of the role playing where he kidnapped her and
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Speaker 1: held her hostage. No, rather than her report the kidnapping,
22:48
Speaker 1: you know, he would have killed her. Well, that's the
22:50
Speaker 1: ending that we always see, and that's exactly if the
22:53
Speaker 1: police hadn't been in on this. Of course, that's you know, look,
22:56
Speaker 1: I don't like to make predictions, but that's the road
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Speaker 1: that it was going down. He certainly doesn't want her
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Speaker 1: to be able to testify against him, so to not
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Speaker 1: be found alive was probably the next thing that was
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Speaker 1: going to happen. This is what we know right now.
23:08
Speaker 1: We have learned that the two were in a group chat.
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Speaker 1: She had never seen him, had never met him, knew
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Speaker 1: nothing about him. On kick k I k Okay Stacy Hanowitz,
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Speaker 1: Assistant States Attorney in Florida. She is an expert in
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Speaker 1: sex crimes on teens and children, author of My Private
23:32
Speaker 1: Parts Are Private and genius with a penis, don't touch Okay,
23:39
Speaker 1: I won't Stacy explain what ki K is to anybody
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Speaker 1: that is not familiar with it. Well, we hear about
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Speaker 1: all these It's a social media platform where people go
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Speaker 1: on and they get into chats and they start talking
23:53
Speaker 1: to each other. And in a lot of our cases,
23:55
Speaker 1: this is what we see. We see these teens. But
23:59
Speaker 1: of course on these social media platforms, it's not a
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Speaker 1: matter of please tell us how old you are. We
24:04
Speaker 1: know you can go on them. This is people that
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Speaker 1: go on, predators, kids, anybody can go on and start
24:09
Speaker 1: a conversation, and unfortunately, what happens is, in a lot
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Speaker 1: of these cases, a conversation begins and things are said,
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Speaker 1: and a meetup takes place, and lo and behold, we
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Speaker 1: have a situation like this. So again, unfortunately, this is
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Speaker 1: not out of the ordinary. With these social media platforms,
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Speaker 1: with the ability for these kids to get on and
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Speaker 1: talk and have conversations with people that they don't know,
24:34
Speaker 1: we see horrible situations. As a result of it. You know,
24:39
Speaker 1: here's another thing for all you parents that are listening.
24:43
Speaker 1: You may grab your child's cell phone when there are
24:47
Speaker 1: asleeper are there in the shower and look at it.
24:51
Speaker 1: Don't just look at the text. Don't don't just go
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Speaker 1: to history. Don't just see what browsers they have open,
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Speaker 1: what they've been looking up. You got to find out
25:05
Speaker 1: where they're meeting and talking to their friends. Like during pandemic,
25:10
Speaker 1: my son after school in lockdown would be I'd hear
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Speaker 1: him screaming and laughing. I'm like, who are you talking to?
25:19
Speaker 1: And he would be on with like five other friends
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Speaker 1: and they'd all be playing together on a screen. They'll
25:26
Speaker 1: be playing the same game against each other, but everybody's
25:28
Speaker 1: in different locations. And he would say on we're on
25:32
Speaker 1: I don't know what he said, house party or something
25:34
Speaker 1: like that. Or snapchat, and you can snap people that
25:41
Speaker 1: will go undetective if you try to look at phrases
25:45
Speaker 1: or what they're talking about. You got to get something
25:48
Speaker 1: like what is it that I have? Oh, bark, I've
25:50
Speaker 1: got bark And it's a very sensitive and it picks
25:55
Speaker 1: up all sorts of conversations that you do not want
25:58
Speaker 1: your child to have I'll never get I nearly fell
26:02
Speaker 1: over the other day when Bark alerted me that my
26:06
Speaker 1: son John David had an issue with self harm. I'm
26:09
Speaker 1: like what. I looked at what it was. He had
26:13
Speaker 1: been playing soccer for his school and he was goalie
26:17
Speaker 1: that day and he dived to stop a goal from
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Speaker 1: the other team and part of his body and his
26:22
Speaker 1: arm went through the net. He did stop the goal,
26:25
Speaker 1: by the way, well he got a bruise on his
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Speaker 1: arm and he was so proud, Look what I did
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Speaker 1: to defend the goal. Blah blah. And he actually took
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Speaker 1: a picture of the bruise to show it off to
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Speaker 1: people and what he had done to say to stop
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Speaker 1: the goal. And Bart picked up a picture of a
26:42
Speaker 1: bruise and alerted me about self harm. And I see
26:48
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing. It registers keystrokes. I don't
26:52
Speaker 1: never really know how it works, but it works. And
26:57
Speaker 1: if they exchanged songs, it will oh there's a curseword
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Speaker 1: or there's this pops up and at first I would think, oh,
27:04
Speaker 1: my goodness, my little angel said a curseword. It possible,
27:06
Speaker 1: but it would be in a song that they had
27:09
Speaker 1: swapped with their friends. So My point is they were
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Speaker 1: in a chat room on something called kick Kik. She
27:19
Speaker 1: had no idea who this guy is except what he
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Speaker 1: told her. He could have told her, Hey, I'm nineteen
27:24
Speaker 1: years old and I go to your college. Blah blah blah.
27:27
Speaker 1: That'side coffee. Who knows what he said? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut ten. This is Spencer Joseph Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 1: According to court documents, the student had met Brown in
27:37
Speaker 1: an online chat, but sometime after the meeting between the
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Speaker 1: two became non consensual and violent, with Brown allegedly tying
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Speaker 1: up the student while he was at work. Brown also
27:48
Speaker 1: accused of threatening the student, saying he would go after
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Speaker 1: her family if she left, a point the Wayne County
27:54
Speaker 1: attorney brought up, you don't think that there's any way
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Speaker 1: that the victim would be able to remain safe if
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Speaker 1: he is permitted to bail. We don't think that the
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Speaker 1: public in general would be safe. Brown also claims he
28:09
Speaker 1: doesn't have money for a lawyer. Mister Brown, what would
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Speaker 1: you like to do about having a lawyer? I do
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Speaker 1: not have the resources, and I would like a lawyer.
28:18
Speaker 1: Mister Brown, Do you have a job now? I do not.
28:22
Speaker 1: While deciding bail. The judge asked Brown during the hearing
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Speaker 1: what his thoughts were. His response, it would be nice
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Speaker 1: to be home for Christmas, but I don't get to
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Speaker 1: see my kids or anything, so it really doesn't matter
28:34
Speaker 1: your owner. A new detail also coming forwards, saying the
28:37
Speaker 1: home wind has happened is not his, that is my
28:40
Speaker 1: parents address, that is where all of this took place. Wow,
28:46
Speaker 1: apparently he forgot the Fifth Amendment. Did you hear that
28:51
Speaker 1: I want to go home for Christmas? You know what?
28:55
Speaker 1: I hope? The judge said, you can kiss my judicial
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Speaker 1: your end. Uh want to go home for Christmas? What
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Speaker 1: does he think this is? Go home for Christmas? And
29:06
Speaker 1: then he said I don't get to see my kids anyway. Wow,
29:09
Speaker 1: I wonder why you're not allowed to see your children.
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Speaker 1: I got a few ideas. We are talking about Brent Brown,
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Speaker 1: nearly forty years old, claiming he doesn't have a job.
29:19
Speaker 1: I guess he doesn't because he's on cake all day
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Speaker 1: trying to lure teen girls to have sex with them.
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Speaker 1: And I guarantee I know where this is going. Christie,
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Speaker 1: missurk Um. He's going to claim this whole thing was consensual,
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Speaker 1: that she wanted to be down in the basement, Uh,
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Speaker 1: trapped in their completely naked, covered in coal that she
29:41
Speaker 1: signed up for that, I guarantee you that's where this
29:44
Speaker 1: is gonna go. Christie spot On, Nancy spoken like an
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Speaker 1: attorney defense. I am not an attorney. I am a prosecutor. Please,
29:54
Speaker 1: I would never utter these words in court. God help me.
29:57
Speaker 1: You know, Stacy is actually going to claim that she
30:04
Speaker 1: wanted to be trapped in his basement during final exams,
30:08
Speaker 1: covered and colin completely naked. It's winter, it's freezing. Explain, wow,
30:14
Speaker 1: I mean to us, it's the most ludicrous, ridiculous thing
30:17
Speaker 1: you can imagine. But that's that's a defense that he's
30:20
Speaker 1: going to have to say. What else can he say?
30:22
Speaker 1: But she consented to it, He's going to say, Listen,
30:25
Speaker 1: I spoke to her over picked, we had the conversation,
30:28
Speaker 1: she walked out of her dorm room. I didn't go
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Speaker 1: in and pick her up. She voluntarily gotten the car
30:33
Speaker 1: she bought. You know, this is the role that always transpires.
30:36
Speaker 1: This is exact same scenario time after time again, when
30:40
Speaker 1: these kids are on social media talking with strangers and
30:44
Speaker 1: then decide on their own solution to go. So his
30:47
Speaker 1: defense in this case is going to be she consented
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Speaker 1: to all of this. Now we know how ridiculous, how
30:52
Speaker 1: ludicrous is going to be. As a matter of fact,
30:54
Speaker 1: she's going to take the standard. She's going to say
30:56
Speaker 1: it wasn't consentual just because I agreed and talked to
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Speaker 1: him on the phone. There's no difference. I didn't agree
31:02
Speaker 1: to what you're inspired after the staff to doctor Angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold Psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: MD dot com. You don't want some whackadoodle on the
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Speaker 1: jury that actually likes being tied up in the basement,
31:15
Speaker 1: buck naked and freezing temps covered in coal. That could happen.
31:18
Speaker 1: Good God, No, So hopefully they've got some good people.
31:22
Speaker 1: I mean Nancy, this whole story, I mean, good Lord,
31:26
Speaker 1: the little girl who knows what was going on inside
31:29
Speaker 1: of her head? Right. I don't understand her level of maturity.
31:32
Speaker 1: I I don't know why she didn't tell somebody where
31:36
Speaker 1: she was going. These are all things that we have
31:39
Speaker 1: to teach our children. I think it's the same reason
31:42
Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't want to admit they
31:45
Speaker 1: found their boyfriend, their girlfriend, their wife or husband online
31:48
Speaker 1: that they met online. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact,
31:53
Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing that now. I think
31:55
Speaker 1: that may have played into it. I'm sure she didn't
31:58
Speaker 1: tell her college family. Hey, I'm about to go meet
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Speaker 1: some guy. Haven't seen him actually, but we were in
32:04
Speaker 1: a kick chat room. I'm going to go out with him. No,
32:07
Speaker 1: of course she didn't. But if you have a close friend,
32:10
Speaker 1: you can tell you're close friends that. And I think
32:12
Speaker 1: we need to drive it home to our kids. You've
32:15
Speaker 1: got to have somebody that you're saying these things too.
32:18
Speaker 1: Don't go out all by yourself. Tell somebody. Well, the
32:21
Speaker 1: other thing I find really interesting, and I'll ask you this,
32:25
Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold. He made the mistake criminal wise of
32:30
Speaker 1: letting her send a text, and it said at seven
32:35
Speaker 1: while she's missing, during the time they're frantically trying to
32:39
Speaker 1: find her, at seven twenty am, she writes, I love you,
32:45
Speaker 1: and that did it. And now when you look at
32:47
Speaker 1: the context of it being in the period of time
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Speaker 1: where she's missing, she disappears, the parents, there's an all
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Speaker 1: outsearch going on for her, and atven twenty a m.
32:58
Speaker 1: When a lot of co eds would still be a sleep,
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Speaker 1: she writes, I love you. That set off all sorts
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Speaker 1: of alarms in their heads. It was the perfect thing
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Speaker 1: for her to send. Also, and to me. I mean,
33:09
Speaker 1: I know it's just the words I love you, but
33:11
Speaker 1: there's a little desperation attached to that also, like almost
33:16
Speaker 1: as if she knew that she was that something really
33:19
Speaker 1: bad was going to happen to her. He allowed her
33:21
Speaker 1: just enough time to send a text message from her
33:25
Speaker 1: phone and to her parents the right time. Yeah, at
33:29
Speaker 1: just the like you said, what kid in colleges up
33:32
Speaker 1: at seven twenty in the morning, none writing their parents
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Speaker 1: I love you? As if she thought that may be
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Speaker 1: her a last text she would ever send them. Yes,
33:42
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, and really to you, Dan Corsentino,
33:45
Speaker 1: that one text. Remember, he would take her phone, he
33:49
Speaker 1: kept her phone away from her and would lock her
33:53
Speaker 1: up in the basement while he went to work during
33:55
Speaker 1: the day, or so he said. Long story short, and
33:59
Speaker 1: just that one moment, that one text, the pain happened,
34:05
Speaker 1: explained Dan Quarsantino. How it works, Well, it's almost like
34:09
Speaker 1: a GPS tracking system, but there's a triangulation that takes
34:13
Speaker 1: place from the cell phone towers, and in this case,
34:16
Speaker 1: there was a cell phone tower that was very close
34:19
Speaker 1: to the residents in Loa, Utah. The police then were
34:24
Speaker 1: able to identify that neighborhood. They were walking along, it appears,
34:34
Speaker 1: and they looked into the basement of a house and
34:38
Speaker 1: they saw a woman or a person, but in this
34:41
Speaker 1: case a woman with a slight build. And then they
34:44
Speaker 1: went to the front of the house and at that
34:46
Speaker 1: point in time, they knocked on the door and they
34:49
Speaker 1: asked Brent Brown if anybody else was in the house.
34:55
Speaker 1: He denied anybody else being in the house, and for them,
34:58
Speaker 1: everything changed a point. They then decided to get a
35:02
Speaker 1: search warrant and things began to unfold. And when you
35:06
Speaker 1: say dan Coarcentina, they decided to get a search warrant.
35:09
Speaker 1: It's not like they got in the car and drove
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Speaker 1: to the courthouse. You can get a search warrant from
35:12
Speaker 1: a magistrator judge over the phone. Absolutely, it was almost immediate,
35:17
Speaker 1: and that's what they did in this case, based on
35:19
Speaker 1: this person's untruthfulness, this sky light to their face. At
35:24
Speaker 1: that point they got the search warrant and everything unfolded.
35:28
Speaker 1: The entry began, the search begin and thank god again
35:34
Speaker 1: this police department acted proactively. You know this guy, this
35:40
Speaker 1: freaky dude perv. Brent Brown had also told the victim
35:46
Speaker 1: that he had sent her phone to the Arizona Mexico
35:50
Speaker 1: border so that no one could use it to locate her.
35:55
Speaker 1: According to the police report, more psychological torture, and I
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Speaker 1: guess he said he got it back. You know, this
36:05
Speaker 1: was ninety miles away from where she was in college. Guys,
36:10
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut eleven Fox thirteen. Good morning,
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Speaker 1: mister Bren. Morning mister Brown. This morning, I'd just like
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Speaker 1: to advise you about the charges against you and also
36:22
Speaker 1: advise you of your rights. Brent Brown, the man accused
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Speaker 1: of kidnapping and assaulting a Snow College student, appeared in
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Speaker 1: court for the first time Wednesday. Brown also learned if
36:32
Speaker 1: he would be granted bail, and the court friends at
36:35
Speaker 1: the concern about perfect public safety has been established by
36:39
Speaker 1: clearing convincing evidence, so on that basis. As for right now,
36:44
Speaker 1: I'm going to hold you without bail. Brent Brown, who
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Speaker 1: is thirty nine, was arrested on Sunday and charged with rape,
36:51
Speaker 1: object rape, aggravated kidnapping, aggravated sexual assault, aggravated assault, and
36:57
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. After that nineteen year old Snow College
37:00
Speaker 1: student who had been missing for several days, was found
37:04
Speaker 1: held captive in a home in Looa. This guy, forty
37:08
Speaker 1: years old, Brent Brown, asked the judge to release him
37:13
Speaker 1: from jail because it would be nice to go home
37:17
Speaker 1: for Christmas. Now, this is after he kidnapped and raped
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Speaker 1: a nineteen year old girl, found naked and covered in
37:26
Speaker 1: coal dust trapped in his basement. It would quote be
37:32
Speaker 1: nice to go home for Christmas. Has he lost his
37:36
Speaker 1: mind after he rapes a girl, a teen girl and
37:41
Speaker 1: keeps her trapped in his basement. I mean, I don't
37:45
Speaker 1: understand that disconnect from reality? What about it? Stacy Honowitz? Well,
37:50
Speaker 1: if you can't expect a defendant at this juncture to
37:54
Speaker 1: say I did it all and let me stay in,
37:57
Speaker 1: I mean this is what There is a total disc connect.
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Speaker 1: This guy is a predator. This guy is online luring
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Speaker 1: girls taking them back. I mean, when you read the
38:06
Speaker 1: facts in the case and you see what happened, you
38:08
Speaker 1: realize there is a disconnect in reality. And if you notice,
38:11
Speaker 1: it wasn't a defense attorney asking the court to set
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Speaker 1: a bond, because then he veteran defense attorney would know
38:18
Speaker 1: that that is ludicrous to ask the court for a
38:21
Speaker 1: bond on all these kinds of charges. So there is
38:23
Speaker 1: a disconnect. We see it in all these cases. This
38:26
Speaker 1: guy is a predator and the idea of meeting online
38:30
Speaker 1: has become so prevalent that you wouldn't believe how many
38:34
Speaker 1: of the cases we're seeing, Doctor Angie Arnold, what an
38:38
Speaker 1: alternate universe is he living in? For he says, Hey, Judge,
38:42
Speaker 1: can I go home for Christmas? What? Well, you know, Nancy.
38:47
Speaker 1: We may find that he has become pretty successful at
38:50
Speaker 1: this and he is living in an altered universe because
38:54
Speaker 1: he's hiding behind these social media platforms. And so there
38:59
Speaker 1: may be I mean, I he is living in an
39:03
Speaker 1: altered universe because, for God's sake, NeSy, he thinks he
39:06
Speaker 1: can take a young girl and put her in his
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Speaker 1: basement and use her as his sex slave for however long.
39:13
Speaker 1: And what I'm scared about is how many times has
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Speaker 1: he done this in the past? What are we going
39:18
Speaker 1: to find out about this guy? So, yes, he is
39:21
Speaker 1: living in an altered universe, as they all do until
39:24
Speaker 1: they are found out. He has now charge of the
39:26
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice, aggravated kidnapping, rate an object rape. Stacy
39:31
Speaker 1: Hanowan's what is object rape. Well, it's exactly what you
39:34
Speaker 1: might think it is. It's not by any part of
39:36
Speaker 1: the of the body. It's not by the genitalia or
39:39
Speaker 1: the hands. It's by something. It's an object. So you know,
39:43
Speaker 1: we don't we don't know what the facts are with
39:45
Speaker 1: regard to that. Certainly once the case gets moving into
39:49
Speaker 1: discoveries out there and think I know enough, Stacy, because
39:52
Speaker 1: he's charged on only with rape, but object rape, aggravated
39:57
Speaker 1: kidnapping and obstruction of justice. A stand right now, Christie Missuri.
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Speaker 1: The judges that thinking of letting him have a spring
40:04
Speaker 1: break to go home. He is behind bars and Nancy,
40:08
Speaker 1: one of the things that investigators have found out and
40:13
Speaker 1: drilled down, so to speak, is that mister Brown was
40:18
Speaker 1: no stranger to this messaging app. In fact, Kick has
40:23
Speaker 1: been coming under investigation throughout the country and around the world.
40:29
Speaker 1: So far it has been involved this messaging site in
40:33
Speaker 1: eleven hundred sexual abuse cases. Wow, I can always count one,
40:39
Speaker 1: Christie missurk for some uplifting knees. We wait as justice unfalls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,