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HYRF? #010: How Don feels about Men crying over fictional movies · The Hack Box

• MAS: I'll say you're JD, you're next to the how you really feel, so is that how you really feel? You two perfect? Don: shit, how you really feel, man? It's been a minute. Alright, before I do this, bro, I would like this to be known. I did not want to talk about this. The production team wanted me to talk about this. This Brev: Mm-hmm. Don: is how I really feel. It's not fake, but I like to let people, you know, do what they want to do. But my how you really feel is that I feel like As a grown man, you should not be crying over fictional media, movies, books, anything like MAS: Music? Don: that. Music's something else. We're not talking about that. I'm talking about fictional, like movies or TV Brev: Yeah. Don: shows. All right, let me be clear. I'm not saying that you can't feel nothing. Obviously you can't, you like you can't ha invoke any emotion. You can invoke emotion. That's what this it's it's supposed to do. It's a job. But like my thing JRD: Eat off. Don: is, as a grown man, you should be able to compose yourself. Let yourself feel the emotion, but compose yourself. You should not be crying over a fake character's death. JRD: You are chasing and you're making it sound Don: You should not you should not be crying over a fake over a fake character's death. Like locked in. Like I like me personally, I watch a movie, I'm invested. You're not gonna sit here and tell me I was not emotionally invested when Captain America picked up Mionir when Thor was getting his ass whooped. And then he picked him up and then we see that shit. And like I was almost jumping on my chair. You don't think I was invested when Tony Stark died? Come on. Black Panther died in Wolconna MAS: That's not cry. Don: forever? Come on. MAS: That's not a cry sad situation. JRD: It's not. Don: But people've cried over that. Actually I think someone in the chat has cried over Iron Man's death. MAS: That we could argue that. I'm on your side JRD: Ooh. MAS: with that. If you're crying over superhero stuff, then I know you're No, that's there's I think there's fictional and then there's sci-fi. Sci-fi. No. Don: Fictional, it's fictional. At the end of the day, it's fictional. It's not real. It's not real. JRD: You know, no no no no Miguel. No, JD's right. You're nitpicking now. No, you're nitpicking. You can't say, Don: You're nitpicking. I said fictional. JRD: you can cry off this, but you can't cry off that. If you can cry off a sad scene, you can cry off a sad scene. MAS: Right. JRD: You can't dictate if it's done well enough. Yeah. You either gotta Yeah, no, you can't do that. Brev: If it's done well enough. Don: It's fake. Yeah. MAS: All I'm just saying in terms of relating, Brev: Yeah. MAS: bro, in terms of relating, I can't relate to a superhero in fucking tights and a cape dying because I've never seen a superhero in my life. But I've seen and heard of stories of people JRD: If you've been watching if you've been watching a movie if Don: I do you. JRD: you've been watching a movie series for over a decade and one of those characters dies, that is for sure gonna pull the hard strings if you get emotional off of fictional stuff. Don: But I'm telling you, Mosh, you can feel that emotion. Like you say, you relate to whatever you're watching. Like you watching a movie that's like a a young Mexican kid going through life normally and then something happens to him. It's like, man, I can see myself in that situation. Yeah, 100%. You can be moved by it. I'm not saying you can't be moved by it. But once you lose composure and let a tear come out your eye, as a grown man, you should like You should think about that. JRD: What about what about if you saw it as a kid and it made you cry and it brings back not just that fictional thing, it brings back how you felt as a kid when you were watching it. And that makes you tear up. Don: I just like, maybe it's just me. I have no like I don't cry JRD: No but Don: over nothing. So it's like I feel like when you do cry, you should cry over real things. You know what I mean? JRD: I thought that. Don: I think real things deserve real tears. You gotta remember, this stuff is manufactured in fake. They wrote this JRD: Yeah. Don: stuff to make you feel a certain way. So as a JRD: Yeah. Don: grown man, you being that submissive. He so a man wrote Brev: Yeah. Don: something to make you cry, you're gonna cry cause it's sad. As a grown man, JRD: Yeah. Brev: Yeah. Don: Like we gotta be serious. At one point we gotta lock in as society. You know what I mean? Say save the tears for stuff that really deserves it. Your dog died, cry about that. You lost a relative, cry about JRD: Mm. Mm. my wow. I I MAS: See, but look, I'ma be honest. Don: that. A breakup, cry about that. MAS: The type of stuff that would make me get close to tears now as an adult wouldn't make me cry as a kid. So but that's what I'm saying. But what I'm Don: And I said adult. I said grown men. I'm not speaking about seven year adults. MAS: saying is that like I don't know, just I guess maybe as I got older it's like you're different emotionally, so it's just different. You go through certain things in life, certain things are JRD: Yeah. MAS: gonna evoke emotions. And I Don: Yes, and I said that. You can have emotion. Your emotion is real. Movies are meant to tri pull your emotions. But keep your composure JRD: No. I mean like MAS: But there's different types Don: as a grown man. JRD: w no but no but when you say as an adult, that MAS: of crime, bro. I'm not saying I'm sobbing, bruh, but a tear JRD: changes things though. I'm Brev: So JRD: bad I'm hacking, I'm sorry. Don: I said that from the beginning. I said as a grown man you should not be crying over fictional art, fictional movies. JRD: Originally it was in general 'cause we were talking about old movies we saw as children. Like my girl. Don: I didn't cry as a kid. I say I didn't never cried over a movie. That's me. Brev: I definitely when I was a kid I cried over Marley and me for sure. Don: Well you cried as an adult over Iron Man, so like you for sure said that shit. JRD: Molly me. Did she really cry? MAS: Yeah. Brev: No I didn't. No. MAS: As soon as that snap went, bro, you started tearing up. I remember. Don: my god. He started crying up. Three thousand Brev: The staff is crazy. JRD: Good wife are together. Don: I think we did watch that shit together. MAS: Yeah, I thought you were there, Josh. Was Josh not there? Brev: yeah, I watched it with no, JRD: No. Brev: I watched it twice. I watched it with Miguel and Ron and then I watched it I think Woo me, JD, and I don't think who else went, but we went like a few days later and rewatched it. MAS: See but yeah. JRD: That's before my time. Maybe. Yeah, Don: And I feel like music or MAS: I'm just saying JRD: that's before MAS: I've never gotten close to crying in Star Wars, so that's why I just think like crying over a superhero movie, I just don't see it. Don: It's still fake at the end of the day. JRD: How could you cry in Star Wars? What Brev: That's crazy. No, I feel no but what JRD: has happened at Tearworthy? Brev: what J D was saying is like I feel like as a grown man I've only ever really like shed tears over real shit. MAS: A lot of stuff is like people dying that shit. Don: You said as a grown man, what? Brev: Only ever really shed tears over real shit. But Don: Yeah, save the tears for real shit. Crying JRD: I feel that you know. Don: is healthy. I'm not saying not to cry. Holding MAS: Wait. I wanna go back Don: like this everyone can be as cool as me. I don't cry like that. So like everyone can be as cool as me. Brev: I think we I think the way when we first talked about it, the way me, Miguel and Josh took it is that you can't feel anything when you watch these movies. Don: No man, that's what I'm saying. Y'all went to movies with it. JRD: Yeah, that's what we thought. Like it's fake. Why would you Yeah. MAS: Yeah, but we're not gonna talk about the backs the back the side stories and side conversation. This is now. But what what Brev: Yeah. And I'm just thinking fictional stuff too. Yeah. JRD: Okay. Don: Fictional. I'm not talking about like you watch yeah, you can watch a Brev: No, I know. I think fictional stuff can can move you. Don: you know yeah, a hundred percent. Like I said earlier, you can be moved. But but you draw the Brev: Yeah, yeah, that's that that's where our misunderstanding was. JRD: Wha w okay, how about this? Don: line when you start to cry about it. Like JRD: Okay, I have a question for you. What if you Brev: Yeah, I don't know. MAS: But well, how come JRD: what if you're watching a documentary? Let's say for example you had family, you won at the time, Don: Is it about real things? JRD: it's a documentary about the something that happened. Let's say Holocaust. Can you cry off that? Well Don: So it's it's non fictional. Is it non fictional? JRD: a movie based off it then. Like Shinder's Shinder's list. It's not real, it's a movie. Can you cry off a Shinder's list? Don: No, it's drama drama citation of what really happened. No. JRD: Huh? MAS: That's not fictional. Brev: That wouldn't be considered fictional though. Don: It's fake. MAS: Yeah. JRD: Shannon's list? Don: If it's not if it's not a true story, it's fake. It's a story based on that time and era period. Was it a real encounter? Like what's her name? Anne Frank? And the movie was a real encounter and what actually happened. Obviously drama. JRD: No, he's a real person, he's real, he's real. Yeah, he's real. Yeah, he's real. No, the movie the mo the movie's fake. MAS: Yeah. Real events. JRD: Of course it's fake dramatized. But it's based on a true story. So I'm asking, can you cry off without better understanding? Okay, so he's saying no. Okay, I get that. Hmm. Don: Fictional. No. It's a script, a director choosing the camera angles, making the story a little bit more fluffed to it. It didn't happen like how it really happened, bro. JRD: I get you. So if it's not a docum if it's not a documentary, you shouldn't be crying as a grown ass man. MAS: Okay. All right, hold Don: Mm-hmm. MAS: up. I'm I'm about to say this. You I mentioned music and you said, I've heard you say that Olivia Dean brought you to tears. Don: I never said that, but I said she could have. MAS: I come on guys. Some someone this will definitely said that. Don: That nervous head that shit brought to tears. JRD: I was scrolling. Don: I'm saying a song Brev: Sounds like something you would say, honestly. Don: can make me cry. Don't scroll for that MAS: He Don: shit. MAS: definitely said that. Don: You think I'm crying over Olivia Dean? I love Olivia Dean. That's the most amazing MAS: See, but look, but what I'm saying is that I think music moves me more than movies, if anything. Don: And I was gonna say that's why I didn't want to talk about music. I said fictional art as in a song, nah, MAS: Yeah, I I I I agree. But I still think it's the same. Some people would argue that it's worse to cry over music than a movie. Brev: That's not fiction either. Don: cause a song makes you reflect on your own experiences. So when you talk about like breakup songs, you start thinking about your own breakups. You talk about no like are you listening? Are you listening? Are you listening? Are you listening? No, I'm not. JRD: would say that but it's still fake but it's still fake but it's still fake no but it's still fake but you're chasing and shit you say if it's fiction Brev: That was a fake. JRD: you shouldn't cry off it movie is a matter but by your logic Don: you're just being belligerent. JRD: you say you letting a gr another man dictate how you're feeling. Another man can sing a song and he can make you cry. That's far MAS: Sarah Aid? JRD: worse. That's far worse. You you're pushing the goalposts, moving a goalpost. Yes it is. He singing in your ear, Don: Not far worse. It's not far worse. It's not far worse. First of all MAS: Yeah. JRD: singing again, you crying. Don: I'm a crash out, bro. You're not listening to what I said before I even mentioned music. JRD: He singing the game and you cry. He was ha ha and you like Yeah bro I'm Mr. Two That's that's worse than watching a movie Watching a movie. That's crazy. How you would invest in a five minute song? You telling me someone has watched a show for ten years of their life, and they tear up, they're soft, but you can hear a song for five minutes and start crying? Make it make sense. Make it make sense. Yeah, I'm done Don: Can I? Are you gonna are you gonna erupt me again? JRD: now. Don: Crying over a song is different because like I said, when you listen to music, it's a reflection on your own personal life experience. When I said breakup, it's talking about a breakup. No it's JRD: That's the same thing with movies. I'm I'm gonna cut you off. That's the same thing with movies. Movies are a reflection of real life. It's the same exact thing. That's why Miguel said crying off a star Don: So you're saying movies are more realistic? Movies are more realistic than movies are real realistic than music. You think you're telling me movies are more JRD: Yes. Don: realistic than movies? No, they're not. Music is really just people talking about their JRD: Só não é. MAS: No, but look you know what, look. Don: own experience and feelings. It's about real shit. Music is about real shit. It's about their real emotions. Movies are dramatized for entertainment. Music and movies are not the same. Movies and music are not the same. MAS: I agree. No. Brev: For sure. Yeah. JRD: A movie? A movie can be the same thing. It's all art. It's all art. It's all art. It's all art, bro. MAS: Look, look, no, no, no, look, look. I I agree we're all speaking the truth here. JRD: It's all art. It's the same thing. And Don: Can art be different can can there not be different forms of art? Can it not be You're just you're just being belligerent. You're being belligerent. You're being belligerent. You're being belligerent. JRD: there's different forms of art. You can express yourself by a painting, by a by by a song, by a book, by a play, by anything. What are you talking about? It's the same exact thing. You can let me crash Brev: Just because it's all art doesn't mean it's the same. JRD: out. You can make me crash out. You can make me crash out. That's crazy. Don: Okay, alright, Josh, your logic you just MAS: No no hold up. Don: use? No, your logic you just use is since I'm a basketball fan and I like the Celtics, I might as well like the Lakers too, cause it's basketball. It's basketball. I like the Timberwolves because it's basketball. JRD: No, that's what I said. I'll speak a small for you. MAS: Listen, no. Don: Yes it is. You said it's art, so art's the same. Art is not the same. There's different forms of art for a reason. JRD: That's the point of art! That's the point of art. That's literally what the that's literally what the point of art is. Don: Bro, you're not gonna sit here and tell me music and movies are the same. It's two different things. Why does it take 50 MAS: Look. Look, hold up. Don: minutes for a movie to hit you? It takes a song three minutes. Because I'm talking about the real shit. Talking about real personal shit. That's MAS: A an an artist? Yes. Well yes, look it, look at it. Don: why you can cry over songs, bro. They put they and JRD: No bro. MAS: An artist Don: the money singing the same with emotion. is you talking about, bro? Tell me a movie and music the same thing. JRD: So a scene? A scene can be sad. my it's the same exact thing. It's the same exact thing. It's Don: I was not! JRD: just one is just quicker than the other. It's the same thing. It's MAS: Look it. No. JRD: different. It's different. Don: Yes. JRD: How? Brev: Music MAS: You guys done? Brev: and movies are for sure different. JRD: No, I mean I mean like there of course I know like I know like th I MAS: Listen. No. JRD: know they're actually different things, but I mean like it's the same thing in a sense of like like art imitating real life. MAS: You're right, Josh. Yes, you're right. The difference is an artist, at least for most people, except for the guys who have ghostwriters and all that weak shit, when an artist writes their music, they're speaking from their own heart. When a director puts it on a screen, he's portraying a story. So it's not you don't get attached to an actor portraying those emotions as much as a artist who's writing and portraying his heart, pouring his heart out on a song. Don: Singing their own music. MAS: So yes, I agree 100%. I like I said, I'm one of those people who probably gets more connected to music than movies. However, I do think they are on the same category. So JD critiquing people who are crying over movies while crying over music, I don't agree with that. But I think it Don: Like I said before I even start start doing this shit. I didn't want to critique anybody about this topic. Cause I said, This is just how I feel. You guys no, production team MAS: The production crew. JRD: Do it those you throw. Don: wanted me to do talk about this shit. I didn't want to do it. I wanted to talk about some sports or something. They was like, no, JRD: you know Don: speak your mind about this. So I did. And then that's how I feel. So don't don't talk to me like I'm crazy. And Josh, stop acting like music and movies are the same thing. They're not. It's two different art forms for reason. That's why there's an Oscars and a Grammys, you motherfucker. JRD: When I when I mean no when I what I what I when I meant to say okay, what I meant to say what what I what I meant you can get an Oscar for music too. You can get an Oscar for music too, smartass. You can get an Oscar music too, smart Don: I give a fuck what you mean to say. I don't give a fuck what you say. JRD: ass. You can get a Oscar for music too, smartass. So alright then, alright, Don: Okay, you said it like six times already, bruh. JRD: just just saying you know. All I'm saying is this you can you can have experience and instead MAS: Hacking. This is the hack box. Don: Motherfucker. JRD: of writing a song, you Don: Yeah. JRD: can write a play based off your life. Don: Mm-mm. Not going for it. I'm not going for it. I feel you. I JRD: That's the same as a fucking song. Writing a play based off your life, true bullets MAS: That's like a very small exception, bruh. Don: Josh, Josh, Josh. I feel what you're saying. I hear you completely. I understand. JRD: Okay. Don: It's art. Obviously, art is coming from somewhere. Someone has to make it. And a person has personal feelings. Obviously, it's coming from somewhere. But you gotta think movies, TV shows, plays, they go through a lot of people. It's not just straight from the writer, bro. It's gotta be a certain amount of writer just to have his screenplay from how he wrote it and how he loved it. Gets to the point. JRD: No No not that and that's and that's where we agree. And that's where we agree. It takes a certain type Don: And listen. JRD: of movie I agree with you, but I'm I agree with you the part. It does take a certain type of movie to g to have the same emotional connection as the song. It does take a s that's why we that's why in the group chat we were only naming a few movies that actually touched our hearts. Because most movies MAS: Maybe. Don: And if they were fake, if they were fake, JRD: are just strictly for entertainment. I get that. Don: if they were fake, you they could touch your heart. But once you start to cry, JRD: Well the songs are fake never mind, let's change. I'm sorry. We're you know what? Brev: Songs aren't fake though. JRD: Let's agree or disagree. Let's agree or disagree. Don: No, once you start to cry, that's when it keep your composure, grown man. Stop crying you did. JRD: Keep your composure on a song, bro, man. It's a song. Keep your composure. Don: I can cry I can cry in my car. You crying in a movie theater. Lock in. Stop crying in public, motherfucker. Shut up, bro. Fight back. Gosh damn. JRD: You can MAS: Yeah. JRD: you can cry at a concert then. That's might cry at the concert. Yeah. At least in a movie it's all dark, no one can see Don: Yeah, cry the concert, bro. Everybody crying. It's the environment. JRD: me, no one can see me, the music the the movie's loud, I can I can do this. Don: I ain't going for that shit. Music music and movies, you can't you can't put them on the emotional scale. You can't put it together, bro. Like I said, like even Al Ma said it. The person making the song is making it from their heart. From the most part, those are the I'm not talking about the JRD: The person making certain movies making from their heart. Brev: Exactly. MAS: No, bruh. Don: We just established that they're not the same, bro. He he's just trying to argue. Brev: No, they're portraying a story. Josh, I feel like you don't understand what he's saying, bro. Like JRD: No, I get what he's saying, but I don't agree MAS: You got a writer, JRD: with it. No, no, I g no. Not not no not in every I get what he's saying. MAS: producer, director, ex All that. Don: There's a lot of things. JRD: my god, in songs you have only one person of the song, you don't have someone making a beat to it. Don: Go okay, go to Apple Music. Go to Apple Music and look at the writers. It sometimes it's just one person on there. And more times than often it's just one person. It's more JRD: And there's sometimes this movie is one person too. MAS: Name one movie that you Don: Okay. MAS: know of that that is from a person and them like it's like their story, whatever, blah blah blah. Don: From ground to fucking finish. You can't JRD: I don't wanna I don't want to. I can. I can easily. MAS: You can't, bruh. You can't. Brev: Mark Wahlberg and Entourage. MAS: I got one off the rip. I JRD: Basket MAS: know the one about Shiloh Buff's dad. I forgot what it was called. JRD: basketball diaries. the peanut butter peanut butter falcon. Peanut butter falcon. I didn't cry. Tell me about peanut butter falcon. Basket basketball diaries. MAS: Okay, you got one. Don: Did you cry? Did you cry? Okay. MAS: You know about if mocking wasn't a true story? JRD: Huh? That's about his dad. Is listen. MAS: Peanut butter falc or no? No, no, no. That's not that's a different one. That's the one with the Down syndrome kid. That's a good movie though. You think I don't know. Yeah. Don: No, but not no, not true story. Sh when you guys say true story is a whole that's a whole different thing. True story is a whole different thing. Like I said, JRD: But Don: it has to be fictional. You can cry over real MAS: no. Don: events. Brev: Exactly. I feel I feel like that's what's being missed here. JRD: But so like I won't so what'd you say, bruv? Don: Yeah. And then music comes from real shit, most part, most of the time. The ones Brev: Yeah, it's real shit. Let's r mean Don: that evoke emotion enough to cry is coming from real shit. Movies that make you cry are real JRD: Okay, okay. Okay. So you're saying something like shin Don: shit. JRD: So if I wrote a movie based off a true event, that's someone across that. Don: If Shinro Sliss was real, yes, if that's if someone can be like, that shit really happened, yes. People crying over slavery movies. Okay, that I get that, because that shit was really happening. But you crying over Iron Man dying, bro? JRD: I agree with that. I ag okay. I I can agree with that. Don: Revin, MAS: Yeah, brev. Don: Reynoso, Brev: What? Don: you crying as you were old were you when that shit came out? Brev: Where is this coming from? I went to the movies with both of you guys. Don: Yeah, you was a grown man. I knew you in my adult life, so you were crying as an adult watching that shit. Keep your composure, bro. Brev: What is this? I was literally siding MAS: Yeah. I know I saw all five of the Brev: with you with this whole conversation, you want to say that shit. Don: I know I'm trolling. MAS: The infinity st the infinity stone lights shine through across one tier. I remember seeing it. It was like a little rainbow color. Brev: If they want JRD: Ha ha Brev: to. JRD: ha.