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Raid Against the Machine | Jeremiah Brandreth · Beheaded

0:04
SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:06
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to season six, episode two.
0:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm Megan Moore.
0:09
SPEAKER_02: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:10
SPEAKER_02: And I don't approve of your neighbors, Elizabeth Black.
0:15
SPEAKER_02: She's coming at me hot right from the jump.
0:17
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna start off as our mid-30-ish year old not Karen's.
0:22
SPEAKER_02: We're like what's a pre-Karen?
0:25
SPEAKER_02: Like a Jennifer.
0:26
SPEAKER_02: A Jennifer, yeah, we're for sure.
0:28
SPEAKER_02: Megan.
0:28
SPEAKER_02: I honestly think Megan.
0:29
SPEAKER_00: Megan's Megan and the pre-Karen's.
0:31
SPEAKER_02: Megan will be the Karen in 15 years.
0:34
SPEAKER_02: Let's not, I don't want to be the one to start that, but I feel like that's correct.
0:38
SPEAKER_02: I also don't want to offend any Jennifer's, but I'm also throwing myself out there as well.
0:42
SPEAKER_02: Megan is a common 80s, 90s.
0:44
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, Elizabeth is so timeless.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: What do you want me to tell you?
0:47
SPEAKER_02: Just classy.
0:48
SPEAKER_02: But anyways, your name, what's up with all your neighbors?
0:51
SPEAKER_02: We're at Elizabeth's house right now.
0:52
SPEAKER_02: This is my home.
0:53
SPEAKER_02: You can see on YouTube.
0:54
SPEAKER_00: Welcome.
0:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, no, I've had the weirdest encounters with my neighbors, and I think it increases every like month that I live here.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, but my god, the person across the street, and you probably we probably will hear it on the audio because they are just outside of their house, like on their motorcycle, going around.
1:15
SPEAKER_00: It's like a dirt bike.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: And at first, like, because it was like a very young person that moved there, and I think they're renting.
1:22
SPEAKER_00: Not no offense to renters, but like those darn riding.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: They don't belong here.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Like, why are they here?
1:27
SPEAKER_00: They're in their 20s.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: And it's just like these youngins with their motorbikes.
1:31
SPEAKER_00: I think he's still in college, like a young guy, and I don't know if he has a girlfriend, I don't know.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: He always he always has like people over, and it'll be like midnight on a Tuesday, and they will just like rev all their engines or whatever you call it with their motorcycles.
1:46
SPEAKER_00: And I I sound like such an old woman, right?
1:48
SPEAKER_00: It's okay, whatever they call it with their motorcycles, with their noise and shit.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like the dog will wake up in the middle of the night, like bark his little head off, you know, and then it's like it wakes up the whole household, and then the dog can't go back to sleep, and then I can't go back to sleep, it's a whole thing.
2:04
SPEAKER_00: It's a thing.
2:05
SPEAKER_02: All that said, we had to give in that disclaimer because they are currently parading around.
2:10
SPEAKER_02: They're playing outside right now.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: So if you hear some random motorcycle revving noises, we apologize.
2:18
SPEAKER_02: We could go out there and be like, hey, hey, we're we're podcasting in here.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: There's serious business being conducted on these grounds.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: Can you stop?
2:26
SPEAKER_00: If they didn't like you before, they're really not gonna like you.
2:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if I want Megan coming at them being like, Where are podcasting?
2:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if I want eggs and teepee all over my house in the morning, sure.
2:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we're gonna be nice.
2:37
SPEAKER_02: Well, what's up with the other neighbors?
2:40
SPEAKER_00: You got some weird ones.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: Neighbors are weird, man.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I this was a funny incident I had, and Megan knows what I'm gonna talk about.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, this happened when I was coming home.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: We were coming home from Salt Lake City.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: So it was right after we had our beautiful like Susanna Lipscone journey, and like Megan's driving back to my house to drop me off, and I was like, Oh my god, I have to show you something in my neighborhood.
3:02
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, Okay.
3:04
SPEAKER_00: And I told her, I was like, watch this window as soon as you pull in this specific turn, like just look at the window in this one house, and you'll know what I mean.
3:11
SPEAKER_00: And she was like, Okay, and sure enough, I as I predicted it would happen, there's always, always these two girls, like I will say, aged, I don't know, what do you think?
3:22
SPEAKER_00: 10 to 12-ish.
3:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I thought a little longer.
3:25
SPEAKER_02: I would say between eight, seven to ten.
3:28
SPEAKER_00: We clearly know child's ages very well.
3:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: Somewhere between seven and twelve years old.
3:33
SPEAKER_00: But these two girls who almost look like twins, like they're clearly sisters, but and like they stand at the window, just like hands at their sides, staring out the window like a horror film.
3:44
SPEAKER_00: Like, so scary.
3:46
SPEAKER_00: And they have long dark hair and kind of pale faces, like the ring, like the girl from the ring.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: Or like the shining, the two twins, yeah, just staring out the window.
3:53
SPEAKER_00: And it's been a thing for months and months now, and it's funny because like Robbie notices it too.
3:58
SPEAKER_00: So I didn't say anything for like weeks, because I saw these girls every day, every day from work, they were standing in the same position just staring out the window.
4:05
SPEAKER_00: And I finally said to Robbie, I was like, Do you ever see those girls when you drive up to the house?
4:09
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Yeah, he's like, every like every day.
4:12
SPEAKER_00: It's so bizarre.
4:13
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Do they need help?
4:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:15
SPEAKER_02: Are they trying to assist to communicate?
4:18
SPEAKER_00: And and I told Megan, and like on before we even got to the house, and she's like, There's no way, like they're there every day.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, literally every day.
4:26
SPEAKER_00: And it was funny because during the Halloween season this year, it's the first time I saw them outside of the house.
4:32
SPEAKER_00: And they were but they were both just sitting on the ground in the same position almost, just like Are they real?
4:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: They might be ghosts.
4:39
SPEAKER_02: Creepy.
4:40
SPEAKER_00: But you've seen them now for ten years.
4:41
SPEAKER_02: I've seen them nine times out of ten.
4:43
SPEAKER_02: I actually on purposely go that route now into your neighborhood.
4:46
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
4:46
SPEAKER_02: Just so I can pass this house, be like, knew it, they were gonna be there.
4:50
SPEAKER_02: They don't wave, they don't smile.
4:52
SPEAKER_02: They're just like two cats sitting on a perch, just staring out the window like they miss the sun or something.
4:58
SPEAKER_00: It's really sad.
4:59
SPEAKER_00: That's all they do is stare out the window.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, they either have like no entertainment, maybe, and I, you know, commend parents that are like, hey, no TV, go look out the window, no iPads, go look out the window for your entertainment.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's the situation, but it is so creepy.
5:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, the the neighbors next to them, yeah, they have three identical cars.
5:18
SPEAKER_02: They have three silver Toyota Camries in a row.
5:22
SPEAKER_02: Taxi service.
5:23
SPEAKER_02: I just I don't know what's going on with it's a very nice neighborhood.
5:26
SPEAKER_02: It's lovely houses.
5:27
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
5:28
SPEAKER_02: The inhabitants are quite weird.
5:30
SPEAKER_02: Not you, you're normal.
5:31
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm clearly normal one.
5:33
SPEAKER_02: Which I think really says something.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: It could just be an Arizona thing, too.
5:38
SPEAKER_02: There is weird stuff that happens in Arizona.
5:40
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: Some of you know, we live in a Phoenix area.
5:43
SPEAKER_02: I live in Scottsdale.
5:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:45
SPEAKER_02: I was at Walmart the other night.
5:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love this already.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: Walmart, it was like 6 30.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: It's winter, so it's dark now.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: Is it winter?
5:55
SPEAKER_02: It's fall.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: It's November.
5:57
SPEAKER_02: I think it just turned fall.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: Well, it got dark.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: It got dark.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: I know, it's like a whopping 70 degrees.
6:02
SPEAKER_02: It's freezing.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: You think we're being dramatic.
6:04
SPEAKER_02: We're not.
6:05
SPEAKER_02: It is 70 and we're cold.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm wearing a sweater.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh sweater weather.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: Cozy.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: And I'm in the Walmart parking lot at night, and there are two giant javelinas just romping around.
6:18
SPEAKER_00: For our non-Arizona friends, we should tell them what a javelina is.
6:21
SPEAKER_00: We should.
6:21
SPEAKER_00: You can explain what a javelina is.
6:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't even A lot of people don't know what this is.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: And to be fair, I didn't.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know what it was.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: And I was just in California.
6:28
SPEAKER_00: You're right.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: So a javelina is like a wild boar.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: It looks kind of like a warthog, I guess.
6:34
SPEAKER_00: And they're generally like, I would say taller, like they have tall backs, and they're huge.
6:39
SPEAKER_00: They're kind of narrow, but they've got tall backs.
6:41
SPEAKER_00: Like I don't know how to describe that.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: Pumba from The Lion King.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: But let like more vertical.
6:46
SPEAKER_02: A tall pumba.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: A tall Pumba.
6:49
SPEAKER_00: But tall legs.
6:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, tall legs, and they have tusks, and they're usually like all black.
6:54
SPEAKER_02: Giant teeth.
6:55
SPEAKER_00: Huge teeth.
6:56
SPEAKER_02: They're dangerous.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: They will bite and charge you if they feel threatened.
7:00
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
7:00
SPEAKER_00: And they usually travel in packs.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: So there's usually like a family or a couple families.
7:04
SPEAKER_00: Like it's they're very scary if you see them in the wild.
7:07
SPEAKER_02: Well, they were hanging out at Walmart.
7:09
SPEAKER_02: They went up to the Wendy's, which is in the Walmart parking lot, and they're running.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: There's two of them.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: Little boyfriend, girlfriend situation.
7:16
SPEAKER_02: Little Bonnie and Cloud.
7:17
SPEAKER_02: Boombo with his cute little girlfriend.
7:19
SPEAKER_02: And they were just running around the Wendy's.
7:23
SPEAKER_02: You said they were like playing tag.
7:25
SPEAKER_02: Imagine you're coming out with your frosty and your little cup of chili.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: As you do at Wendy's.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: Does anyone else get chili at Wendy's?
7:33
SPEAKER_02: I used to.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: They sell it now.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: They sell it in cans.
7:35
SPEAKER_02: They do.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: That was my stupid expense.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: That's a good go-to.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: Like anytime we went to Wendy's, because I think that was obviously her like healthy option there.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: The chili with the baked potato.
7:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:45
SPEAKER_00: Um we digress.
7:47
SPEAKER_00: Brings back memories.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: The the and the pumbas are just not pumas, but pumba.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:53
SPEAKER_02: The horse, the not the horse, the pigs.
7:55
SPEAKER_02: The wild pigs are just running around running amok.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what the hell is happening here in Arizona right now?
8:01
SPEAKER_02: Scary.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: So that's been my week.
8:02
SPEAKER_00: And normally those things don't really go near like people.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: Like they'll be in neighborhoods at night when no one's out, but they don't really go to like a fast food joint that's pretty crowded, you know.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: In the Walmart during after work hours.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: Bizarre.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: Weird week.
8:17
SPEAKER_02: So bizarre.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: I know.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: What's going on with you?
8:19
SPEAKER_02: Well.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Besides your weird neighbors and the motocross and yeah, besides my uh my neighborhood.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, I did host a little Day of the Dead party this year, which was a lot of fun.
8:30
SPEAKER_00: You came.
8:30
SPEAKER_02: I did.
8:31
SPEAKER_02: I came.
8:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, it was so fun.
8:32
SPEAKER_02: Megan, would you like to comment?
8:34
SPEAKER_02: I'd be like, wow, didn't get the invite.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: It was very intimate, I will say.
8:38
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
8:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was like a smaller gathering.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: It was nice.
8:41
SPEAKER_00: And um we because we had other plans on Halloween, and Halloween was on Thursday, and we had a friend come in town, so we're like, let's just throw a little like Day of the Dead thing.
8:50
SPEAKER_00: More of like a dinner party type situation, uh, on Friday night, which was Day of the Dead.
8:56
SPEAKER_00: And I've never actually celebrated Day of the Dead before, but I loved it.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: Because like I bought all of these little like candle holders and I put candles everywhere throughout the house.
9:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, I did kind of just like these, I don't know, tissue poof things that were very decorative all around.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: They kind of look like little marigolds or little mums.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: And uh I made an offrenda, which is like if you don't know what an ofrenda is and you've never seen cocoa, first of all, go see cocoa because it's amazing.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: But an offrenda is like a table where it's like an altar.
9:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh you have a table where you have pictures of loved ones that have passed away, and you have little candles, and you're supposed to put things at the offrenda that your family enjoyed when they were alive.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: So it's normally a kind of a more like serious thing, and it's a more of a celebration of life.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to make it kind of funny because not everyone knew each other at this event.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, it'd be cool if some people kind of took it serious and sent pictures of their childhood dog or their grandparent.
9:52
SPEAKER_00: But what if it was like somebody put something that passed on like my dream of becoming like a NASA astronaut?
9:58
SPEAKER_00: Or like something kind of silly.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: Things lost.
10:01
SPEAKER_00: Things that were lost.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: And so Megan had two great submissions, and I'd like you to share with the group.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: I had one that was the golden doodle I never had because I got scammed on Craigslist with my quote unquote golden doodle.
10:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
10:13
SPEAKER_02: Back when golden doodles were super cool back in 2015.
10:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they still are, but everyone wanted a golden doodle.
10:19
SPEAKER_02: Right.
10:19
SPEAKER_02: And uh Penny is not a golden doodle.
10:22
SPEAKER_02: She's a we like to call her a shit poo kakawawa.
10:26
SPEAKER_02: Shit poo kakawawa.
10:27
SPEAKER_02: All the bad words.
10:29
SPEAKER_02: She's a shih tzu poodle cocker spaniel chihuahua.
10:32
SPEAKER_02: Had no idea when we picked her up.
10:34
SPEAKER_00: But and to be fair, when you bought her as a puppy, she looked like a golden doodle.
10:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: That's why you called her Penny because she was like that copper color with floppy ears.
10:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:42
SPEAKER_02: I had uh one of my I don't re I can't say I regret it because I love her and I'd like to think I saved her.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: I was really young.
10:50
SPEAKER_02: Looking moving forward, I would only ever adopt.
10:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm like Yeah.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: Mad at myself that I was in that point of time as a young 20-year-old.
10:59
SPEAKER_02: She did know better.
11:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean it was a decade ago, and whatever.
11:02
SPEAKER_02: Don't please don't judge me.
11:03
SPEAKER_02: That was my old self.
11:05
SPEAKER_02: Don't ad don't shop adopt.
11:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm all for that.
11:08
SPEAKER_02: Moving forward, I will support all the mutts in the world.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: Because I have one.
11:12
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, and then I oh man, I was so mad.
11:16
SPEAKER_02: I had Elizabeth and Robbie over for dinner one night.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: And Robbie's kind of a good cook.
11:21
SPEAKER_02: He's pretty damn good.
11:22
SPEAKER_02: He's a pretty good cook.
11:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm you can make a couple things.
11:27
SPEAKER_02: Um, one dish I'm really good at that I'm really good at making is beef short ribs.
11:32
SPEAKER_02: And I can I slow cook them in the oven for like four or five hours with red wine and garlic and rosemary.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: And by the time you pull them out, you pick up the bone and the meat just falls off, and I was ready for Robbie to be like, oh my god, Megan.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: This is so good.
11:47
SPEAKER_02: And like raise a glass to Megan, like, and everyone cheers for me.
11:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, I forgot I forgot to cover it in tin foil, which is very important because it keeps in the moisture, the juices, all the juices, and I just totally forgot that stuff.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: I just was frantic, I don't know.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, uh the other part of my La Frenda.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Am I saying that right?
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh no, Al Frenda.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: Alfred was my burnt, tough, rubbery beef short ribs.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Short rib, which turned out really well in the picture.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: It was just like a black mess.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: The short ribs that were lost to me.
12:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: I will never be able to redeem myself to Robbie ever again.
12:27
SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: He still ate it.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: He enjoyed it.
12:30
SPEAKER_00: It just wasn't as wonderful as you wanted it to be.
12:32
SPEAKER_00: Bless his soul.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: It made for great conversation around the offerenda.
12:36
SPEAKER_00: It's like you had some serious conversation of like, oh, you know, my childhood dog, this and that.
12:41
SPEAKER_00: You talked about your dog.
12:42
SPEAKER_00: And then there was like, oh, and Megan Short Rib.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: It was funny.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: I thought it turned out really well.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: It was a cute idea.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: I definitely approved of it.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: It was a good conversation starter because a lot of us didn't know each other.
12:53
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: It was a good mingling opportunity.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: So good time.
12:57
SPEAKER_02: So well done.
12:58
SPEAKER_02: And it looked like Coco.
12:59
SPEAKER_00: That's that's what I was going for.
13:01
SPEAKER_00: I really wanted to put Coco on in the background.
13:03
SPEAKER_00: It was for a little bit.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: Well, we forced it on, me and you, because like Robbie was like, well, there's college football on, so we gotta put it that on.
13:10
SPEAKER_00: I was like, there's no good games, and I love football.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: I was like, and it's a party, like no one here is a sports fan except for me and you.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: So like, no, like let's put on Coco.
13:18
SPEAKER_00: And then he won the argument, and then sure enough, Megan comes in, she's like, Why is it Coco on?
13:23
SPEAKER_02: I feel like we're missing something.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: So we like snuck snuck to the background, and yeah, it changed.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: Never said a thing.
13:29
SPEAKER_00: No, he knows what the people want.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, all right.
13:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, really quick, before we get into the actual story of the episode, uh, we're gonna do a really quick break and we'll be right back.
13:47
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14:44
SPEAKER_00: Alright, guys, so now it's time for our story of the evening.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: And uh this was actually a listener-submitted one that we didn't know about.
14:52
SPEAKER_02: Yes, thank you, Brandy, for bringing this to this one to my attention.
14:56
SPEAKER_02: I have never heard of this person or this whole scenario before.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:59
SPEAKER_02: And I love hearing the suggestions.
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SPEAKER_02: Please keep them coming.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: We we love to hear them.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: And there was like a few layers to this story because on first glance, we're like, okay, this is kind of a cool story.
15:08
SPEAKER_00: We'll have to flesh it out a little bit.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: But once we started reading it and kind of going in different rabbit holes, we're like, this is a really cool period of time that we haven't really focused on before.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're excited to get into all of it.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: But our man of the evening is Jeremiah Brandrith.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: Good job.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: Did I say it correctly?
15:26
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: I know like English words are hard for us.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: We struggle on the French words and the English words.
15:32
SPEAKER_00: And you know me, it's just because my handwriting and I can't tell what are E's and versus A's, and it just gets real messy.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: So, Brandrith.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: So Jeremiah was born in Wilford, Nottingham, in about 18, or excuse me, 1785.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: And uh, we don't know much about his early life because he was, in fact, not a noble person, but we know that he was a stocking maker.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: And if you don't know what a stocking is, you know, it's like a sock.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Good job.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: It's like tights.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: They're tights, would you say?
16:00
SPEAKER_00: What's the difference between tights and stockings?
16:03
SPEAKER_02: I think it's like the thickness of it, and maybe the length.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: When I think stockings, well, there's pantyhose, which is really thin.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: Which I don't think they had back then.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: There's, I don't know, is a stocking more like a sock?
16:15
SPEAKER_00: I think so.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's like, okay, there's like pantyhoe, which is thin, there's tights which are thicker, and then a stocking which is thickest and maybe only goes so high to like thigh.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, we did our research on our textiles.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: We didn't, but I I think that sounds good.
16:31
SPEAKER_00: Go with it.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so stocking maker um by trade, and uh the only thing we know of his early ish life is he married a woman named Anne Bridget when he was about 26 years old in September 1811, and they had three children together, and that's the last you will hear about his family.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: I love when that happens.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes things just come up, and you're like, whatever happened to their husband?
16:53
SPEAKER_02: Like, no, don't know, don't care.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: And that's all.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, but where his story starts to get juicy in his life is in his late 20s, early 30s, he starts um getting involved with something that are called Luddite activities.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: And what are Luddite activities?
17:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, the Luddites were people that were general generally involved in kind of organizing um protests, revolts, raids against like new technology that was introduced in their factories.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: So obviously he's a stocking maker, so he probably works at like a textile mill.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: And at this point in time, this is like right in the middle of the Industrial Revolution, which, if you're curious, the dates of the Industrial Revolution are technically like I think it's 1760 to 1840-ish.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: So this is right in the middle of all that.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: And the Industrial Revolution was a time like the names states where new machines were coming out to really like improve processes in factories, like replace a lot of the labor with machines, you know, maybe speeding up certain things that used to take forever.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, so this was a main point, like turning point in history where all these factories are reevaluating how they're doing business.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: And obviously that's tough for you if your sole job is to make stockings.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: And now you're being told, well, this machine can make the stockings, and maybe we just need someone who doesn't have your craftsmanship or skill work to just press a button.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: So you're you're really like displacing a lot of people in work at this point.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I kind of feel like this is a problem that has never really gone away, it's just evolved.
18:23
SPEAKER_02: There's people today who are afraid of AI and Chat GPT and things taking over their jobs as well.
18:29
SPEAKER_02: And then I think of remember Charlie in the chocolate factory, he worked at the toothpaste factory, and he was he got fired because a machine was taking over of screwing on the little toothpaste.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: It's like always some sort of machine, right?
18:42
SPEAKER_00: Whether it's a machine that creates something or computer or calculator, like there's things that are gonna just take up the manual work that used to be real jobs.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: Um so anyway, so this um Leadite movement began, uh, and it wasn't just textile workers, it was like croppers and you know, people that worked in different factories.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: But in this specific area of England, it was mostly like textile mills that were um kind of involved in these activities.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: So the men who, and I'll say men because I don't think any women worked in the factories at this time.
19:11
SPEAKER_02: Fontine's not here yet over in France, working away.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh they um they were the ones who would kind of organize, and sometimes they'd go so far as to like go into the factories and like destroy the machines.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: So they were like really upset, obviously, by all of this.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: Um so there'd be these organized raids.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, the reason they were named the Luddites is because there was a quote unquote legendary weaver named Ned Ludd, who was kind of the one to like start this general feeling of resentment towards the new machines coming in.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: Um and it's funny now because even if you call someone a Luddite or a Neo-Luddite, it means you're a person that opposes new technology, which is kind of funny.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: I've never heard of that word actually.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: It makes a lot of sense in Down Abbey.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: Um what what was her name?
19:58
SPEAKER_02: The the cook of Mrs.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: Paddington.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh Mrs.
20:01
SPEAKER_02: Padmore.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: Padmore.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: Padmore.
20:03
SPEAKER_02: In like the first or second episode, she was afraid of installing lights in in the Abbey, in the mansion, the estate.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: Estate.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh but yeah, it feels like this is something that's just always kind of been an issue, and I don't think it's going away.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: But if anything has taught us in history, we kind of have to evolve.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna happen whether we want it to or not.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: Let's see how we can grow with it, not against it.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: Because you're never gonna unfortunately win that argument.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Like you will.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Again, like seeing these factories, like seeing computers, seeing AI, like unfortunately, it's just the next step, and we all have to evolve, and it's not like sometimes that change is uncomfortable and not fun, especially if it replaces a skill that you yourself have been working on.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: But again, hopefully we can all get into the new era seamlessly.
20:48
SPEAKER_02: You've got to be like Charlie's dad from Charlie the Chocolate Factory, where he got a job to learn how to fix the machine.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: There you go.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: Put the two pace caps.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: So be an engineer, you'll be fine.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: Alright, I'm off my soapbox.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: I like for it.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, so really quick, just to talk a little bit more about um what's going on in like Britain overall at this time.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: So 1810 to 1812, like the British economy was was really down bad.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: And there was just high unemployment, um, the inflation rate was going crazy, and this was all like exacerbated by the fact that there was still like wars going on in France with Napoleon and still escalating tensions with the US.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: The American Revolution ended in 1783, so this is only gosh, like 20, 15 years afterwards.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: That long.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's still just a lot of like like angst and like tension.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: And um at this point, now there's all again these raids against these raids against the machine.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: Did you just get an episode name?
21:48
SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: Right, write that down.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: You've got the pen.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just make sure you un Nope.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: How do you work your pen?
21:56
SPEAKER_01: You just uh move that neck and there you go.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, so there's violence, there's protest, um, and the the middle and upper classes are really sticking with the government on all of this.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: They're like supporting the government and saying, hey, like we need to squash these rebellions because they want to continue to live their nice lives, and they don't really give a damn about the working class.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: So the working class is kind of being um suppressed by the government and the armies who are coming in to like squash these rebellions.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: So the the Leadites got really extra passionate about their cause because now they're just being like stifled by the government, and they compared their struggles to essentially that of the American Revolution and the French Revolution, which had just happened.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so you had kind of had these conflicting philosophies at the time where it's like, on one hand, upper middle class and government and army, and on the other hand, you have the working class, and you had a lot of other people like express sympathy towards them, like Lord Byron was a big defender of the Leadites.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think you said someone else too from your research.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: Um later on at the end, there was another poet who had some phrasings about all that's about to go down.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay, perfect.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: We'll get into that.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, so essentially, again, just a big chasm, which isn't that different than today.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I feel like they weren't gonna say it, but it's been a time it's been a week.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: It's been a week and a week.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: It depends on when you're listening to this.
23:18
SPEAKER_00: But check on your American friends, everybody.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: We're recording this on November 9th, just for context.
23:23
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, so anyway, so that is essentially what's going on in the political landscape at the time.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: So now we have our man of the evening, Jeremiah, who's kind of again, in I would say your late 20s, early 30s is probably the most, I don't know, I guess most likely time in your life when you're probably going to join a movement like that.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: Because you're not quite young and immature and in the dark about issues.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: You're at the point where you're learning a lot about you know what's going on around you, but you still are young enough to have kind of that like fire and that passion and that anger towards a lot of things.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: And then you see your whole future ahead of you and you're really paving the ground.
23:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he's got three kids.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: For yeah, what do you want your future to be like, your kids' futures to be like?
24:03
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, so at this point, it is now uh 1817, and he meets someone named William J.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: Oliver.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: Yes, remember this name, Oliver.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna come back to him, come back to him.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: But so Jeremiah is again part of this movement.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: It's 1817, he meets Oliver, and this guy Oliver is convincing to put together a rebellion, get 50,000 men together to go storm the Tower of London.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, our favorite place.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: So much weird history with the tower that's more than just what you would expect throughout the centuries.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: And um, here we are in the 1800s, and people are still seeing this it as this figure of government of maybe a lot of oppression.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's a very symbolic place for them to want to go and make their statement.
24:55
SPEAKER_02: So 50,000 men, that's a lot of people.
24:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the goal, that's the end goal.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: Will we get there?
25:02
SPEAKER_02: Gotta find out.
25:02
SPEAKER_02: Stay tuned.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: Stay tuned as I talk, as I'm speaking in this moment, and I'm telling you the story.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh, June 9th, 1817, they decide that they're gonna do it.
25:12
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna start this rebellion.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: They're all the way in Nottingham.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: North.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: North, north of London.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: We're each pointing in different directions.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: I've consulted a map, but north ish.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: Northish.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: I like that you look behind you, like the answers are on the walls.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Is that a map?
25:29
SPEAKER_00: That's a map of Middle-earth.
25:31
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: Nottingham is north of Middle earth.
25:34
SPEAKER_02: Of Erebor.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think uh Robin Hood.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: Sherwood Woods.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: And wait, that's what it's called, right?
25:43
SPEAKER_01: Sherwood Woods.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: Why can't I think of that?
25:45
unknown: Sherwood.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: I imagine that kind of day where everyone.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: Sherwood Forest.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Forest.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: Megan Clausen, who was the author on our show a few seasons back, who wrote the book Falling Hard for the Royal Guard.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: She's from Nottingham.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's great.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: And I thought that was cool because I was like Robin Hood.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh, she probably gets that all the time.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, yes, like Robin Hood.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: I do.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: That's me.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, so they're meeting at Rob uh Robin Hood.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: They're meeting with Robin Hood.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: Great name for a bar at Nottingham.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't it be?
26:15
SPEAKER_02: I bet they have some good ones there.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:17
SPEAKER_02: They do meet at a bar.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: It's not called the Robin Hood.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: It's called the White Horse.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: Great name for a bar.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: I swear we've been to a pub called the White Horse.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: We've been to a few called the White Horse.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: That's what they name their pubs in London.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: It's just a color and an animal.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: Some type of adjective with an object.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: The black swan.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: The fat horse.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: The purple monkey.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: The fox, the toad, the goat, and the it's all in there.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: It's all stuff like that.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: They meet at this pub called the White Horse, and they're getting together their men, and they're also trying to like receive bread and meat and ales and all these all the necessities and the resources that they're gonna need for this big journey to get from Nottingham.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: Their goal is to just keep accumulating more men as the march goes on.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: I I don't know how many people they started with, but they didn't say the goal is 50,000.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: So I don't think there's that many people living in Nottingham.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: So I'm sure they had some goals and numbers of trying to, you know.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: And I rally I always wonder too, because like obviously a lot of these men in this like same towns probably work in the same places, so those guys are probably easy to like rally up.
27:27
SPEAKER_02: But they all probably work at the factory together.
27:29
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: And then anyone else, you know, like say you just got some drunk men, you just give them a drink and kind of convince them to sign their name on the dotted line.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to tell them where you're going.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: Just hey, we have cheese, cheese ale, come with us.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: I'll go.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: They were very lightly armed.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: There were a few guns, but most of them just had pikes, and their whole slogan, their whole mission was end poverty forever.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: It's a very ambitious goal.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: I think you need a little uh clearer objectives than that.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: I think just ending poverty forever sounds nice, but like how very high level, very big picture thinking.
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Just end poverty forever.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Cool, we're on board.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: Great.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: And but they also had one demand.
28:11
SPEAKER_02: They wanted to wipe out the national debt.
28:16
SPEAKER_02: Cool.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: So do we all.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, me too.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: Me too.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: That's a common theme.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's not wrong.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: It's not incorrect.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: That was their one like big thing that they really they wanted to like.
28:28
SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, of course, all the machinery and stuff, but that was their demand was you need to wipe the national debt.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: So, okay.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: And happiness for all.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: And happiness for all, peace, love, and charity.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Love it.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: 10 p.m.
28:41
SPEAKER_02: They are now trying to find some weapons.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: I think they're realizing they just have some sticks and pikes and beer and cheese, and they're they might need a they're going to the Tower of London.
28:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
28:50
SPEAKER_02: They might need some more.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: A little more artillery.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: They start raiding the town a little bit to try to get these weapons.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: One house in particular, it was a widow named Mary Hepworth with her two young boys who they were living in this house, and she refused to open the door for them.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: She said, Nope, not having this, these shenanigans happening.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: And then she locks the door.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: And our our buddy Jeremiah gets a little bit violent, and this is the first time people are starting to see it.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: He shoots his because he has a gun now.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: He shoots in the window and kills her servant.
29:26
SPEAKER_02: And the men that he's with are like, ooh, did too far, buddy.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, did we really want to go there?
29:31
SPEAKER_02: Did we want to get that violent?
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Now we're killing people.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: And they were threatening to leave, and he was saying, if you leave, I'm gonna kill you too.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: So totally different side of him just kind of popped out there.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you're trying to think of the character, I think we're understanding more of the type of guy he is.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that makes it worse or better of like what happens to him, but yeah, he did kill an innocent person and felt very little remorse for it.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: And seemed to kind of double down on that, like then just threaten more lives.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Just kill more.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if he actually killed more people, but we know at least one person he did.
30:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: They then head to the butlery company, Butterly.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: Butterly.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: Butterly.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: Do you think they make butter or textile?
30:12
SPEAKER_02: It was a manufacturer.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: Actually, maybe it was butter.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: We could say whatever we want.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: We did look it up and it was very vague.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: It was like, it's a factory that manufactures things.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
30:24
SPEAKER_02: I bet none of you know what it is either.
30:25
SPEAKER_02: So we're just gonna say we know, and you're gonna have to believe it.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: I bet you we have one listener who like knows this intimately.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: It is not a butter factory.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: They made wind chimes.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: You don't know the famous Butterly Wind Chime factory?
30:38
SPEAKER_01: God, Megan.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: The the factory like manager.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh George Goodwin.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: Name Megan.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: Megan Jennifer Goodwin.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh, Jennifer Goodwin's a real name.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: That's the actress, right?
30:52
SPEAKER_01: It is.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: She plays Snow White.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: She has short hair.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay, sorry, continue.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh he has constables with him.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: He somehow got word that all these guys were coming.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: And the the constables, the the police are with him.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: They go into a standoff, and Jeremiah starts noticing people are leaving his side.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: They're like, eh, I'm out.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: There's police involved now.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: The cheese is gone.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: The butter is barely being made, and the butter factory.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, so whatever.
31:23
SPEAKER_02: So some people leave, but that doesn't stop them.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: They they break through the standoff, they continue marching on through Condor, Langley Mill.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Is that right?
31:34
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: Langley Mill.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: They start forcing townfolk to join this big march of theirs.
31:39
SPEAKER_02: So whether you like it or what or not, they've got weapons now.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: So they are gonna get their 50,000 men one way or another.
31:46
SPEAKER_03: Right.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: Um, and they wanted more beer and bread and cheese.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: It started to rain.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: That was kind of crappy.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: More people started leaving.
31:54
SPEAKER_02: They're like, there's no cheese, there's no beer.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: And you promise, you promise bread, and now it's raining, I'm out.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: So Jeremiah's looking behind him and it's just dwindling.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: The numbers are going down.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: They don't like the rain, lack of cheese situation.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: Ugh.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's raining and you're running out of resources, you know.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: It's a tough life.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how long I'd stay.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: They were like, I really didn't think I'd make it this far to begin with.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: So we're lucky I got to it.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: It does remind me, I think it was the Robert Devereux episode that we did where like he shows up to uh was it Hampton Court?
32:29
SPEAKER_00: I forget which palace it was he shows up to, but he's trying to like confront Queen Elizabeth, and the intention was to confront her with essentially like a giant crowd, and it was like a few guys.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: Never works.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, hey, um, here I am with my mob.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: She's like, really.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: You look behind, and there's three people behind you.
32:48
SPEAKER_02: One guy's like picking his nose.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: One guy's drunk in his saddle, looking a little weak there.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: That's what Jeremiah was dealing with.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, so so at this point, like they kind of know it it might be over.
33:02
SPEAKER_00: So they finally get to this place called Guiltbrook.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: Again, continuing to look for men and resources and weapons and cheese.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: And uh they were met by 20 dragoons, which are essentially like English troops.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: So they officially, once they see people like in uniform and they know, okay, it's not just like the some factory clerk trying to stop us, like it's not just the constable of the town.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: It's like the actual military now.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: What was left of this tiny crowd scatters.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: So now it is not 50,000 men, it's nowhere near that.
33:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, 40 were captured right on site by by 20 dragoons.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: So two men per dragoon.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: That's an average classroom here in America, like 40 kids.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: So they rounded up them and everyone else fled, including Jeremiah.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: So Jeremiah managed to get away.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then we don't know what happened during the next few months, but he was essentially, I think, in either hiding or laying low so he could maybe, you know, do something else with his movement.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but he's nowhere to be found for a while until that fall.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: So this is June, remember.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: So a few months later, come November-ish, uh, 35 people were brought to Old Bailey.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: And Jeremiah is in fact one of them.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: And we've talked about Old Bailey before, but it is an old courthouse.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, they kept very good records.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: You could still find a lot of information about Bailey.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: I know.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so they bring these 35 people in with the specific um, I guess, objective of like saying these people are charged with high treason because they were a part of the the right the uprising.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Which there's a name for it now.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, there is the Pentrich Uprising.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: Where did that name come from?
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Pentridge was oh, the White Horse Pub was in Pentrich.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I didn't even bother to think of that, to be honest.
34:51
SPEAKER_02: The Pentrich Rising.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: Sounds like a Phoenix rising.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: Like sounds like the name of a book or a movement.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, but the Pentridge Rising became the name of this, I guess, alleged or you know, not alleged.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: Like failed.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like failed attempt to storm the Tower of London.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: So Jeremiah, along with two of his co-conspirators, named William Turner, which I love, and Isaac Ludlin.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: And if you don't know William Turner, which you should.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: You should.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: It's from Pirates of the Caribbean.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: We got such a kick out of it.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Will Turner! Bootstrap Bill.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: I also wanted to learn more about William Turner, and my dumb self is Googling William Turner, and I just got a lot of very lovely photos of Orlando Bloom.
35:37
SPEAKER_02: Can't complain about that.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: Not a lot about William Turner of the Pentridge Rising of 1817.
35:43
SPEAKER_02: No.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: I was looking at Megan, I was like, oh, you found information on him?
35:46
SPEAKER_00: Because she was Googling for quite a while.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: She's like, oh no, I'm just looking at Orlando Bloom and Johnny Depp.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, eh, that's fine.
35:55
SPEAKER_02: I mean, when you go down that rabbit hole, you keep on it.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Hard to get out of that one.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: Even last time, last episode, we did the Dewberry episode.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: And obviously Johnny Depp is in that movie, the Jean Dewberry movie.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: So a lot of Johnny Depp in our lives later.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: Johnny Depp themed season, maybe.
36:11
SPEAKER_02: Should we just keep it going?
36:12
unknown: Yeah.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: What else can we do?
36:13
SPEAKER_02: Red Scissor Hands, was he did he ever execute anyone with the scissors?
36:17
SPEAKER_02: Probably.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: Killed someone.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: Gilbert Grape.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: Is there any executions in Gilbert Grape?
36:20
SPEAKER_00: I love Gilbert Grape.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: Megan's favorite movie.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: We've all got that one movie that's terrible, but you will never admit that it's a terrible movie and you need to stop watching it.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: I I don't want to like go into all of this right now.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: But I just want to say one thing about Gilbert Grape and like You could talk, we'll do a whole episode on Gilbert Grape.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: No, I just want to say that like I've known Megan for a few years before I watched Gilbert Grape with her.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: And I always was like, why does she like this weird random like 90s movie?
36:49
SPEAKER_00: I quote it all the time.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: And then once I watched it, I realized and I don't even want to say all the reasons, but it all made sense.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: I just want to say it all made sense because it was all of Megan's like fascinations in life wrapped into one movie, and I was like, oh, yeah.
37:05
SPEAKER_02: It's a really terribly good movie.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't that bad.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: From 1993 or 4.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, we won't we won't go on Gilbert Grape too much, but you should watch it.
37:17
SPEAKER_02: Highly recommend.
37:17
SPEAKER_02: I give it like a two out of ten rating.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: You should watch it.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: If you haven't seen Coco or Gilbert Grape, tonight's your night.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, so anyway, finally, um Jeremiah, William Turner, and Isaac Ludlum are all among these 35, they're the ones that are, because they're probably a lot of the ringleaders assembling people, um, they are con uh convicted of high treason.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: And their original sentence, because we know how traitors are treated, they always get the worst sentences.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, their original uh sentence was drawn and quartering, which for the early 1800s is pretty medieval.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: Pretty archaic of them at the time.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: I thought they were just hanging people at this point.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: But the guillotine was already invented.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: Guns are available.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: There's guns.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: You could have a firing squad, you could have the guillotine.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: Like there's a lot of clean, quote unquote, clean ways to execute people.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: And the fact that in 1800s they're like, yeah, you know, just fucking disembowel them.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: Just disembowel them, burn their insides, you know, and quarter them.
38:21
SPEAKER_02: Make sure they're alive while you're doing this.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: And there's a big crowd to watch.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: So that was really dramatic.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, but luckily, George, uh, the prince regent reduced their sentence to just a simple hanging at the neck followed by a beheading.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: So there is a beheading, but it was intended to be after they were already killed.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: Post post huminous.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: What do they call it?
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Post hum there's a word for it.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: Not postmumist.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: I can never I can never pronounce the word because I can read it and I can't say it.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: It's posthumously.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: Humously, I think.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Is that like post-mortem?
38:54
SPEAKER_00: Please correct us.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: Post humor.
38:56
SPEAKER_02: Don't correct us.
38:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm freaking tired of people correcting me.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: No, we need it.
39:00
SPEAKER_02: We need to learn this.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: I know he said I wanted to learn, but uh, but I will teach you something.
39:05
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
39:06
SPEAKER_02: George the Prince of Regent, who's the guy who reduced the Prince of Regent, he's the Prince Regent.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: The Prince Regent?
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:13
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I had an oven there and the Prince of Egypt.
39:17
SPEAKER_01: My God.
39:18
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, we're also a banger.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: Please watch that movie.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: Great soundtrack.
39:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, continue.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, we're really giggly tonight.
39:27
SPEAKER_02: This is also just our first glass of wine.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: We know.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: This is just us.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: We're sorry for who we are.
39:32
SPEAKER_02: Well, if my neighbor didn't get us all riled up, you know, it's fine.
39:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but George, the prince regent, is later King George IV.
39:40
SPEAKER_02: He was regent.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: Normally we think of a regent as someone who is um mother or father.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, ruling on behalf of a child because they're not old enough to make adult decisions.
39:52
SPEAKER_02: He was actually the su the son of and regent to King George III, mad King George, think front um think American Revolution, married to Queen Charlotte.
40:03
unknown: Yeah.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: I saw his bed and her bed.
40:07
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I'm allowed to say this.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
40:11
SPEAKER_02: Oh drop everything.
40:13
SPEAKER_02: Last time over the summer, when I went to Hampton Court Palace and I saw a friend, Mr.
40:19
SPEAKER_02: James Peacock.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: He um was so kind to show our light went off, sorry.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: He was so kind to show me a room, an exhibit of room that is not open to the public.
40:34
SPEAKER_02: No.
40:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you weren't there.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm so sorry.
40:36
SPEAKER_03: Make it.
40:37
SPEAKER_02: And it had Queen Charlotte, it was Queen Charlotte and King George III's quarters, their bedrooms, and it had their original beds in there, and they were the beds that you could break down and transport.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: And it was the bed that she like gave birth to everyone in and stuff.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: Everyone.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: Everyone that came out of her.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh, anyways.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: That's so cool.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: When I so when I think King George III, I'm like, oh, I saw his bed.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: And oh, I'm so jealous of that.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: I always think of little things like that, like the pink room at Heaver Castle.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: The bathroom.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, and uh the like when I was at Versailles, obviously they only show you certain rooms in Versailles, Versailles huge.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, man, we just did the Dewberry episode.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: If there could have been a way to have like a private tour of the Dewberry apartments, because she had her own area.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: She spent some time at Petite Trianon, uh, but she had her whole like area of Versailles Palace, and I've seen it on like YouTube videos, and it's beautiful.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: So cool.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: And they just refurbished them in the last couple years.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: Or like the Thomas More cell in the Tower of London.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, sorry, we are gonna get back though.
41:38
SPEAKER_02: We're in 1812.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: Um so at this point, you are continuing on.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so thank you, Megan.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: You're welcome.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: So um at this point, again, they the sentence is reduced, and the execution is officially slated to take place November 7th, 1817.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: And they decide to do this outside in front of like 6,000 spectators at the Derby jail.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: Um and it's it's quite a crowd.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: Remember that these are not noble people, so it's not a uh private execution.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: It is in front of a lot of people, and it's meant to be a very public display.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: They did have guards ready just because they were anticipating there could be some trouble.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: This this is they're putting on display traitors, murdering traitors in front of them as a reminder to everyone else, hey, you know, don't do this because this is what's gonna happen to you.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: But those were also probably a lot of their supporters because they are poor, they are impoverished, and that's what the traitors were trying to fight for.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: They were trying to fight for their rights and remember and poverty for all, forever.
42:44
SPEAKER_02: What was the quote?
42:45
SPEAKER_02: It was yeah, in poverty forever.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: So they were just anticipating there could be some disturbances during the execution.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, so tensions were a little bit high.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: All three of them were hanged.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: Again, it was our buddy William Turner, Jeremiah, and then Isaac Ludlum.
43:03
SPEAKER_02: Yep, they were hanged for about 30 minutes.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: That's a long time.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: Because we've talked about this before.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: There wasn't a drop, there wasn't a scaffolding with the contraption where they could drop them down.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: Right, like a trapdoor that you can do.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: That's the word I was looking for.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, they would have just probably kicked a barrel or something underneath them or pushed them off a ladder, so they'd be hanging for a while.
43:26
SPEAKER_02: Some in other circumstances, if people want them to die faster, they might pull on their legs, but they wanted that.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they were being reduced from a hang-drawn and quartering, so they weren't gonna get out easy.
43:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:38
SPEAKER_02: It is said that Isaac Ludlum perhaps was still alive when this next step happened.
43:44
SPEAKER_02: Likely weak.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they probably assumed he was dead.
43:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh and of course, these all just come from accounts of people, word of word, and it could have just been someone like, oh, I saw him open his eyes, and perhaps not.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: But uh so then they were beheaded.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Post mortem.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna say it like that.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: After they were hanged, after they died.
44:05
SPEAKER_02: This is there were a lot of creepy details about this.
44:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:09
SPEAKER_02: They put them on a board, like a plank, which was kind of weird.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:13
SPEAKER_02: And they positioned Jeremiah's face in such a way where his eyes were wide open, and people said that it looked like he was just staring at the audience.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: The crowd.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: The crowd.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: I guess not really an audience, but you know, the crowd of people.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: So that was kind of creepy.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: They also didn't have a clean cut, even though it was with an axe, and he wasn't squirming or anything.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was already gone.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: So his eyes were open, they didn't sever his head right away.
44:43
SPEAKER_02: Right.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: The assistant to the executioner took out his knives to finish the job.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: And had to just saw right through the rest.
44:52
SPEAKER_02: Sawed through it.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: Gross man.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: He holds his head up to the left, to the right.
44:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:57
SPEAKER_02: He says, Here's a traitor.
44:59
SPEAKER_02: And the crowd didn't react the way they wanted to.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: They wanted people to cheer for the death of a traitor.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Instead, the crowd, again, because there's probably a lot of supporters in this crowd, are very like solemn and they don't cheer.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: Which is unusual.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: Imagine the awkward silence.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like the executioner's showing his prize to everybody and no one's good job.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: You like how to knife your way through on that.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: And then he throws the head into the crowd.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
45:26
SPEAKER_02: That's what I said he threw the head into the crowd, and that's when no one was probably because they threw a bloody head at him.
45:31
SPEAKER_02: He'd be like, dude.
45:32
SPEAKER_02: He was like, damn it, cheer.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: I didn't come for this.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
45:37
SPEAKER_02: I missed an important step here.
45:38
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
45:39
SPEAKER_02: Coming from William Turner, our buddy Will.
45:42
SPEAKER_02: Bootstrap Bill, as some call him.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Right before they put the noose around his neck, he made a statement.
45:48
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: He said, This is all the work of the government and Oliver.
45:54
SPEAKER_02: Oliver.
45:55
SPEAKER_02: Oliver.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: Remember that name that we had mentioned earlier?
45:58
SPEAKER_00: And I said, remember his name.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: So Oliver, and I'll let you talk about him because you know a bit more.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: But Oliver was the person that uh Jeremiah had met back in 1817.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is still the same year.
46:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, but earlier in the year, the one who convinced him to march on the Tower of London with 50,000 men.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: And his nickname was Oliver the Spy.
46:19
SPEAKER_00: Because it was believed that he actually was working on behalf of the government.
46:24
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: But Jeremiah didn't know it at this point.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: So Oliver the Spy was a police informer.
46:31
SPEAKER_02: And if we and if you would notice, Oliver wasn't there during the rebellion, the whole march, yeah.
46:37
SPEAKER_02: Gathering everyone at the pubs and going from location to location and getting the townsfolks and waiting for wasn't there.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: Turns out, and this is all actually released in the news shortly after the trial.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: So what's funny is they the I guess the press you could call it, they had a press back then.
46:54
SPEAKER_02: They did.
46:55
SPEAKER_02: The press wasn't allowed to report on anything until after the sentencing was done.
47:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure it was kind of fast.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: But after the executions were complete, um, a fella releases the information.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: He goes, he was really curious when he's like, wait, Oliver, and he started doing a deep investigation with enough evidence that he published this in the Leeds Mercury.
47:16
SPEAKER_02: Turns out Oliver the spy was a police informer.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: He was not a revolutionist, but he came off as one and he told everyone.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: Sneaky.
47:26
SPEAKER_02: The way that they found this out was he was a part of another big raid rebellion, similar motives.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: Right.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: And everybody there was arrested.
47:37
SPEAKER_02: And someone who was just a witness, he wasn't one who was arrested.
47:40
SPEAKER_02: The next day he saw Oliver in a crowd and he's like, he goes up, he goes, Weren't you?
47:45
SPEAKER_02: Why aren't you arrested?
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Weren't you just at that raid?
47:48
SPEAKER_02: And I saw them arrest you.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: Why are you here now?
47:50
SPEAKER_02: He's like, uh that's exactly what he did.
47:53
SPEAKER_02: He just awkwardly backed up and just mid-sentence walked away.
47:58
SPEAKER_02: Bolted.
47:58
SPEAKER_02: Why'd you say I can't hear you?
48:00
SPEAKER_02: Good saying you bye.
48:01
SPEAKER_02: Bye.
48:01
SPEAKER_02: I got things to do.
48:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh so that was the first inclination that he was likely not an actual revolutionist.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: And then at this point, it did come out that he was a two-time spy.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: Two time.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: Two-time and spy.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: And what he would do is he would instigate these rebellions and these marches to happen.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: He would convince everybody to do it, just like what he did with Jeremiah and his leaders.
48:28
SPEAKER_02: And then he would tell the police what was going on and they'd scoop them all up and arrest them.
48:34
SPEAKER_00: Which I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, listeners or Megan, but isn't that entrapment, right?
48:40
SPEAKER_00: Is that what you call it?
48:41
SPEAKER_00: Like it's the legal term for I don't know if they cared back then, but it's like you set someone up, but it was a whole setup.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: You kind of force them into something, and then you're like, aha, I got you.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: You're in trouble.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: You're like, well, you can't you can't be the reason they're in trouble and then put them in trouble.
48:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so so Oliver was accused on the scaffold again of being a two-time in spy.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: Two-time and spy.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: Which was pretty confirmed.
49:05
SPEAKER_00: And again, whether or not he was the sole cause of that, who knows, right?
49:09
SPEAKER_00: Yes, he might have convinced um Jeremiah, but Jeremiah's hands weren't clean.
49:13
SPEAKER_00: Like he obviously killed a servant, he was threatening the lives of other people, he was really leading this whole rebellion.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: So I think whether Oliver was in the picture or not, like things probably would have turned out very similarly.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: That's a good point.
49:25
SPEAKER_02: They put all the blame on him.
49:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe just the sheer number of people that he wanted to have be in the revolt was a big part of it.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: Maybe that was the tipping point, I don't know.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: But it is interesting, you know, in terms of Jeremiah and his character, it's like, well.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I've been holding that in this whole episode.
49:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, during research time, Megan was several times chanting it a bit.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, but but yeah, so so once they're officially, you know, dead, gone, beheaded, um, they are, I think, buried in Derby, I want to say.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: And at the Derby Museum, there's actually still that board Megan referenced.
50:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: I want to see it.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: I want to see it.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: If you've ever seen it, let us know.
50:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm curious.
50:09
SPEAKER_02: Give us give us pictures.
50:10
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: Really quick, sorry, one last thing.
50:13
SPEAKER_02: I also think perhaps William Turner and the others were so like pissed off at Oliver.
50:19
SPEAKER_02: Right.
50:19
SPEAKER_02: They were probably feeling really stupid that they were like the only ones who didn't know this because the news that Oliver was Oliver the spy hadn't reached Nottingham yet.
50:29
SPEAKER_02: So like it had already been discovered.
50:30
SPEAKER_02: It had been discovered.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: News was just traveling slowly, they didn't have text messages and whatever.
50:36
SPEAKER_02: Shoot.
50:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:37
SPEAKER_02: The notifications that pigeon didn't come fast enough and whatever.
50:41
SPEAKER_02: Right.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: But I wonder if that's just also why they were mad, because they could have known had someone have just told them and they wouldn't have moved forward with that.
50:48
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: So see, technology isn't that bad, everybody.
50:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, now don't they wish they had some good service?
50:56
SPEAKER_00: You weren't such a Luddite, okay?
50:57
SPEAKER_00: If you weren't so opposed to evolving technology.
51:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, anyway, so aftermath.
51:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh just a little bit of a few things that happened after uh this execution.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: What it was actually the last execution by an axe.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: Like it was the last decapitation by an axe.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: And even though they weren't killed that way, right?
51:15
SPEAKER_00: Like they were hanged first and then beheaded, um, it was still the last incident of that in England.
51:20
SPEAKER_00: So great England.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
51:22
SPEAKER_00: You finally went from drawn and quarterings to no more axes.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: That doesn't include guillotines, though, right?
51:29
SPEAKER_00: That's just I don't think so.
51:30
SPEAKER_02: That's just manual.
51:32
SPEAKER_02: And it's funny it was kind of botched too.
51:34
SPEAKER_02: I think that's a good case in point.
51:36
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think this is our last one, guys.
51:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, enough.
51:39
SPEAKER_02: Keep missing it.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: Through the head in the crowd because we were so pissed.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh, this was also England's last armed rebellion.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
51:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: So because again, this is fairly modern times.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: Like we're talking early 1800s, industrial revolution, like not that long ago in history, you know.
51:57
SPEAKER_01: Can we say the same for America?
51:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's gonna happen to America.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: What year is it?
52:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, 1817.
52:06
SPEAKER_02: It's some people think that.
52:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, and there was all the other people that they arrested too.
52:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: Which um I I don't have it written down, but there was like a lot of, you know, stern warnings and arrivals.
52:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
52:20
SPEAKER_00: Oh, those are big ones, actually.
52:22
SPEAKER_00: So 14 people were actually sent to Australia.
52:25
SPEAKER_00: So at that point, they were, yeah, kind of like exporting people, I guess.
52:29
SPEAKER_00: You were saying, like, as punishment, you have to go if it's imprisoned in Australia or work the land in Australia, whatever their sentence was.
52:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sent to Australia.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: And then what else do you have right there?
52:40
SPEAKER_00: You have 19 were imprisoned, 12 were released.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: That's nice.
52:44
SPEAKER_00: And I think a couple got strong verbal warnings.
52:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's always the verbal warning at the end.
52:50
SPEAKER_02: Gosh, to feel like I don't know for our our um Australian listeners how that makes you feel that people were just sent to your land as punishment.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: Right.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that happened in more than just Australia.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: Like it reminds me of the movie Ever After when they're like, oh, you're gonna be shipped to the Americas with the thieves and the criminals.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: So it's like I think that was a kind of typical uh punishment.
53:11
SPEAKER_00: It's like any new world that we have that needs labor or more of a labor situation.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think it's like, oh, Australia is so bad, go there, go find a spider and have fun, hang out with the javelinas, the javelinas the dingos.
53:25
SPEAKER_02: It makes it makes me think of the 19 crimes wine because for those who like to drink grocery store wine like us, when you do the app, do they still do that or was that just when it came out?
53:36
SPEAKER_02: It was like a how you can put your phone up on the on the the wine label, the wine label of the prisoner, yeah, and it always like he turns live and he tells his story, but it's because there were 19 crimes that could send you to Australia.
53:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's pretty cool.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
53:52
SPEAKER_02: And they those were the Australian prisoners.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: Put me on that boat.
53:56
SPEAKER_02: I'd love to go to Australia.
53:57
SPEAKER_02: Let's go.
53:57
SPEAKER_02: Go to a rebellion in England.
54:00
SPEAKER_02: Um anyway, so thank you for the recommendation.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: That was such a period of we haven't done an industrial revolution type rebellion before.
54:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
54:09
SPEAKER_00: And again, we've said this so many times on our show, but like I love just putting some history in the grander context.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: It's like we we always talk about the French Revolution, but we never talk about what happens after.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, oh yeah, like Napoleon took over, like, and then he was exiled, and then he tried to come back, and like amidst that there was, you know, stuff going on with the English economy, and you had all of these revolts that were people so angry they were being replaced by machines.
54:35
SPEAKER_00: So it's it's cool when you can zoom out a little and be like, oh yeah, it wasn't just about these specific people in these specific places or time frames.
54:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's so obviously it's all connected, but you forget that when you're learning history sometimes.
54:46
SPEAKER_00: You forget that, oh yeah, like these things are all happening at the same time in the world, and then they again kind of come these big full circle moments where they're they're connected.
54:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: Out here in Arizona, they were they had looters and gold rush and yeah, what was going on some fun stuff.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: Early 1800s.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: Let's look at your Arizona ghost town map behind us.
55:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, Arizona wasn't even a state until 1912.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: So there wasn't wasn't a whole lot here.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: We were we were a desert for a long time.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: I guess more like 50 years later was like Wyatt Herp and Tombstone and all that.
55:20
SPEAKER_02: That's true, yeah.
55:22
SPEAKER_02: But not that far off from all of this.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: So I actually just went to uh Scottsdale Museum over last weekend.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: And I learned a little bit about like again why they settled in the desert.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: And it was because the I believe Navajo Nation had already created like a series of waterways to bring water like to their area.
55:39
SPEAKER_00: And then the you know, the settlers came and they overtook that.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: And trains and all of that, and then yeah, westward expansion.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: But it was much later than a lot of places because it was a desert and so freaking hot.
55:50
SPEAKER_02: We're basically Australia.
55:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, Elizabeth, any final words?
55:55
SPEAKER_02: Not this evening.