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The Vampire Clan Murders - Rod Ferrell -Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This episode today is part two of the Vampire Clan Murders.
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  Speaker 1: It's a dark story with a lot of information, so
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  Speaker 1: we suggest you listen to part one to really understand
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  Speaker 1: everything that leads up to the brutal events that unfold.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're ready to continue with us now in
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  Speaker 1: part two, well then let's begin. My name is Ben.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a
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  Speaker 2: true crime podcast. Did you fall off your chair? No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I left you on the edge of your seat
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  Speaker 2: in the last episode. So I'm just checking.
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  Speaker 1: Making sure you're okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you sure left me a long time.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a couple days. Come on now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. As you were doing the little intro for, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is a part two, I'm just curious if anyone
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  Speaker 2: out there would ever even just listen to the part
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  Speaker 2: two without listening to a part one. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that is negative, but who knows?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone really would. But to
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  Speaker 1: be fair, it's also like a warning, like, hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is part two. Check out part one first, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I'm not going to judge anyone though.
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  Speaker 1: If all you want to hear is what happens in
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  Speaker 1: a part two, I'm not going to like do spoiler
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  Speaker 1: alerts or whatever right now, but then I mean, taste
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  Speaker 1: so be it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess you do the little,
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  Speaker 2: you know, intro to, and the recap recap of what
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  Speaker 2: happened last one.
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  Speaker 1: So I do, I do, which do you want me
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  Speaker 1: to just do it right now? Since we're already on
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  Speaker 1: the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It is already coming back to me too. Like
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  Speaker 2: you really, really did leave us hanging there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in part one, we went to Murray, Kentucky, and
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  Speaker 1: also we looked at the early life of Rod Farrell.
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  Speaker 1: He was a teenager who had grown up in an
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  Speaker 1: unstable environment and who, by his mid-teens, had become increasingly
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  Speaker 1: fascinated with gothic imagery, role-playing, and vampirism. After meeting Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Jaden Murphy, Rod was introduced to a small group of
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  Speaker 1: teenagers who practiced a form of vampirism that involved cutting
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  Speaker 1: themselves and drinking one another's blood. Rod was eventually crossed over,
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  Speaker 1: as they called it, by Jaden during a blood-sharing ritual
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  Speaker 1: at the old Salem Cemetery, but their relationship soon deteriorated
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  Speaker 1: as Rod became increasingly violent and began disregarding the rules
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  Speaker 1: Jaden believed were in place to govern the group. So,
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  Speaker 1: after separating from Jaden, Rod created a vampire family of
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  Speaker 1: his own, He placed himself at the center of it
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  Speaker 1: as a vampire named Visago, surrounding himself with teenagers including
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  Speaker 1: Michael Schaefer, Scott Anderson, Charity Kesey, and Dana Cooper, while
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  Speaker 1: presenting himself as their sire and the vampiric father. But
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  Speaker 1: the violence surrounding Rod was also becoming increasingly real. He
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  Speaker 1: killed a kitten in front of Jaden, regularly talked about murder,
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  Speaker 1: and by October 1996, he had become a suspect in
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  Speaker 1: the horrific break-in at the Murray Calloway County Animal Shelter,
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  Speaker 1: where dozens of dogs were released and two puppies were
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  Speaker 1: deliberately killed and mutilated. At the same time, Rod had
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  Speaker 1: remained closely connected to 15-year-old Heather Wendorf, an old friend
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  Speaker 1: in Eustis, Florida, who had become immersed in the same
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  Speaker 1: vampire identity and desperately wanted to leave home. So in
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  Speaker 1: November of 1996, Rod, Scott, Charity, and Dana left Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: with a plan to collect Heather and continue to New Orleans.
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  Speaker 1: Their transportation was Rod's car, which was a ridiculously unreliable vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: and as they reached Eustace, Rod began openly talking about
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  Speaker 1: a solution to that, which was taking the Wendorf family's
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  Speaker 1: Ford Explorer. More than once that day, he told people
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  Speaker 1: he intended to kill Heather's parents, Richard and Ruth Wendorf,
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  Speaker 1: and then take their vehicle to continue their journey. His
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  Speaker 1: friends had heard Rod make violent threats so many times before,
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  Speaker 1: and so much so that they didn't really believe he
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  Speaker 1: was actually serious. When Rod asked Heather directly whether she
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  Speaker 1: wanted her parents dead or alive, Heather answered plainly. She
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  Speaker 1: wanted them alive, and told him, quote, Now that evening,
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  Speaker 1: Charity and Dana drove Heather around Eustace so she can
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  Speaker 1: go say goodbye to friends before leaving town, while Rod
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  Speaker 1: and Scott remained behind near the Wendorf home. And that
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  Speaker 1: is where we left things on the evening of November 25th, 1996.
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  Speaker 1: And Jennifer Wendorf was also away from home. Heather was
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  Speaker 1: gone with Charity and Dana now too. So Richard and
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  Speaker 1: Ruth were inside their home alone as Rod and Scott
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  Speaker 1: began making their way towards it. And that's where we
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  Speaker 1: left off in part one. Any questions?
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  Speaker 2: Any questions?
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  Speaker 1: Any questions?
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  Speaker 2: No, this is a disturbing one. It's very disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely disturbing. I remember you were getting the heebie-jeebies
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  Speaker 1: just from the idea of drinking blood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It still does it to me. That is just
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  Speaker 2: so disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: Rightfully so. It's not exactly a pretty picture when you
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  Speaker 1: imagine it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, people can have whatever beliefs, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: but that's just unsanitary, gross, unsafe, dangerous. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have enough fingers to list all the things
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  Speaker 1: you find wrong with it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm a little bit of a germaphobe, which I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if people, people on here might know that.
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  Speaker 2: And that just is, it's just too much. Like I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't even imagine doing something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You go into a public place and you've got your
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  Speaker 1: Purell with you immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine you drinking someone else's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And if I do not have my hand sanitizer,
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  Speaker 2: it is a problem. Like I won't even want to
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  Speaker 2: eat really.
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  Speaker 1: Basically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's just, it's just not for me, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Understandable. I mean, I don't think drinking each other's blood
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  Speaker 1: is for many people. No. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be, really.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's dangerous. Right?
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  Speaker 1: So, anyways, if you're good, do you want to go
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  Speaker 1: to the rest of this? Continue on with part two?
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear it. Okay. Let's hear what you got for us.
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  Speaker 1: Well, with Heather Wendorf, Charity Kesey, and Dana Cooper gone,
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  Speaker 1: Rod Farrell and Howard Scott Anderson approached the Wendorf home
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  Speaker 1: in Eustis, Florida. Now, Rod and Scott didn't immediately rush
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  Speaker 1: inside when they got there, though. Instead, they moved around
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  Speaker 1: the property and looked through windows. They could see 49-year-old
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  Speaker 1: Richard Wendorf. He was on the couch with the TV on.
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  Speaker 1: Ruth was somewhere over in the bathroom, perhaps in the shower. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 1: the house was quiet. After scouting around, they entered through
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  Speaker 1: an unlocked door into the garage. And inside, they began
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  Speaker 1: looking for something that they could use as a weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Rod eventually picked up a short crowbar from the garage
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  Speaker 1: and Scott followed him into the house. Richard was still
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  Speaker 1: on the couch when they entered and Rod approached him
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  Speaker 1: from behind while the TV was playing loud enough that
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  Speaker 1: Richard didn't even notice the teenagers enter the room. Rod
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  Speaker 1: raised the crowbar up and swung it into the side
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  Speaker 1: of Richard's head. Richard had no time to react and
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  Speaker 1: the first blow rendered him unconscious immediately. But Rod continued striking.
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  Speaker 1: Richard suffered extensive blunt force trauma to his head and face,
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  Speaker 1: including fractures to his skull and severe injuries to his brain,
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  Speaker 1: as well as fractured ribs even. Rod continued to hit
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  Speaker 1: Richard because he said he was still breathing. He even
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  Speaker 1: struck him in the chest with the pointed end of
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  Speaker 1: the crowbar, describing it as striking him near the heart.
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  Speaker 1: And by the time Rod stopped, Richard was either dying
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  Speaker 1: or already dead from his injuries. Scott stood there. He
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  Speaker 1: watched it all play out. Before entering the house, Scott
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  Speaker 1: had been prepared to participate in this. The plan that
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  Speaker 1: they came up with was for Rod to attack Richard
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  Speaker 1: while Scott dealt with Ruth. That was their plan. But
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  Speaker 1: when Scott watched Rod deliver the first blow to Richard's head,
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  Speaker 1: whatever willingness he had inside of him disappeared as the
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  Speaker 1: reality of it all came crashing down.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I would expect that from somebody. Right? Right. It's
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  Speaker 2: like that's a normal reaction. That is. Like, okay, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? Actually, shit, I can't do this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This was brutal. That's what you would expect from a
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  Speaker 1: human being.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Like, actually, no, I'm not going to kill someone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is wrong. We're doing something massively wrong here. 100%.
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  Speaker 1: I even have some quotes from Scott here from later
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  Speaker 1: on when he said, quote, when I saw him make
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  Speaker 1: the first blow, I knew I couldn't, end quote. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Rod didn't have the same reaction, though. It didn't even
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  Speaker 1: really seem to phase him, in fact. With Richard now incapacitated,
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  Speaker 1: Rod simply began looking through the house for valuables and
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  Speaker 1: for the keys to that Ford Explorer that he had
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  Speaker 1: his eyes on. However, when Ruth suddenly appeared, it all changed.
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  Speaker 1: Rod's description of precisely what happened next has changed in
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  Speaker 1: some details over the years, but his earliest account places
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  Speaker 1: Ruth coming from the shower and encountering him in or
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  Speaker 1: near the kitchen. Rod claimed he had not initially intended
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  Speaker 1: to kill her. According to him, Ruth reacted to finding
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  Speaker 1: strangers inside her home by confronting them. She threw or
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  Speaker 1: spilt hot coffee on him and then lunged at him,
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  Speaker 1: clawing at his face. Now, the coffee and the claim
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  Speaker 1: that Rod had planned to spare her come from Rod's
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  Speaker 1: own version of events, though, so we can't exactly say
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  Speaker 1: that it's the most reliable. But what happened physically was
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  Speaker 1: considerably clearer than the alleged intentions he described, because Rod
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  Speaker 1: turned the crowbar onto her next. Ruth was struck in
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  Speaker 1: the face, then repeatedly struck around the head. She suffered
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  Speaker 1: catastrophic blunt force and chopping injuries from this crowbar, including
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  Speaker 1: multiple skull fractures and severe lacerations to her brain. One
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  Speaker 1: of the blows was even powerful enough to sever her brainstem.
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  Speaker 1: But Rod just kept swinging. The most detailed accounts of
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  Speaker 1: Ruth's injuries described 23 separate wounds with 16 of those
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  Speaker 1: wounds involving her head. Blood pattern evidence showed that at
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  Speaker 1: least part of the attack continued while Ruth was already
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  Speaker 1: down on the floor, with Rod positioned over top of
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  Speaker 1: her as he struck her again and again. She ultimately
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  Speaker 1: laid face down in a pool of her own blood,
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  Speaker 1: with the trauma to the back of her head so
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  Speaker 1: extensive that witnesses who later entered the house could immediately
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  Speaker 1: see the severity of the injury. And I'll go into
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more detail of the severity of that
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, because I just have a really quick question.
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  Speaker 2: Would she have recognized him? Like, would they have known
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  Speaker 2: who he was?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. I don't know exactly the
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  Speaker 1: history because he was from this area as well. He
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  Speaker 1: lived here for a little while, which is why he
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  Speaker 1: kept in contact with Heather. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it was like, hey, they were just kind of friends
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  Speaker 1: from school a bit or if he would have ever
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  Speaker 1: met their parents or not.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. But honestly, too, that extent of injuries right there
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like, oops, I didn't mean to kill you
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  Speaker 2: or I wasn't planning to kill you. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my next sentence here that I have written, Rod
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  Speaker 1: would eventually describe the final moments in graphic terms as,
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  Speaker 1: saying he continued beating Ruth until her skull gave way.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't even know what that means, but okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a simple, well, I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: hit you so you stop attacking me. There is some
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  Speaker 1: animosity in that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the sick bastard right there.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Richard had also sustained an extraordinary number of injuries too.
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  Speaker 1: The detailed accounts eventually placed the number of wounds to
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  Speaker 1: his body at 22. His face and head had absorbed
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  Speaker 1: much of the attack, leaving extensive fractures and brain trauma. Now,
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  Speaker 1: after Ruth and Richard were dead on the floor, Rod
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  Speaker 1: and Scott began taking things that they could use. Among
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  Speaker 1: the stolen property was Ruth's pearl necklace and a hunting knife.
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  Speaker 1: They then located the keys to the Ford Explorer and
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  Speaker 1: took Richard's wallet and a Discovery credit card. Before leaving,
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  Speaker 1: Scott pulled the phone cord from the wall as well.
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  Speaker 1: in order to prevent anyone from inside the home from
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  Speaker 1: immediately using the phone to place any sort of calls
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  Speaker 1: for help. But that's not all. The teenagers also left
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  Speaker 1: behind a very strange detail on one of the victims' bodies.
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  Speaker 1: Richard was reported to have small burns. His body bore
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  Speaker 1: arrangements of a V-shaped marking with these burns, with dots
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  Speaker 1: surrounding it. Now, Rod had previously associated a V with
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  Speaker 1: the vampire identity he had assumed, and each dot surrounding
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  Speaker 1: this V represented each member of his group. After they
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  Speaker 1: had everything they needed from this home, Rod and Scott
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  Speaker 1: then walked out of the Wendorf home, climbed into the
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  Speaker 1: family's Ford Explorer, and drove off. They first drove around
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  Speaker 1: looking for the girls and eventually reconnected with, you know, Charity, Dana,
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  Speaker 1: and Heather.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I just have to say though, that makes me angry.
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  Speaker 2: What that he just did to the dad's body like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a creation of his remains.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That, I don't know. That makes it just, cause
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  Speaker 2: you're almost hoping like he's young, maybe he'll have some
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  Speaker 2: remorse or something, but there's not in there.
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  Speaker 1: There was nothing of any sort of remorse flowing through
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  Speaker 1: him that night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing even that followed immediately afterwards. I mean, Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: there may be some remorse and trial words and stuff
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  Speaker 1: that we go through. But as far as prior to, nope,
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  Speaker 1: not an ounce.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because what is the point of doing that to
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  Speaker 2: the body? Like, gosh, I don't know. That just like
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  Speaker 2: up-levels it to me a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Heather immediately wanted to know why they were driving
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  Speaker 1: her parents' vehicle. Rod and Scott showed up suddenly with
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  Speaker 1: this Ford Explorer. And it was their car. So she's like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell? Now, in fact, Rod had even changed
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  Speaker 1: his shirt. However, there was still reportedly blood splatter across
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  Speaker 1: his face. Now, as the group prepared to abandon Scott's
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  Speaker 1: failing car and continue in the Ford Explorer, Heather became
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  Speaker 1: increasingly uneasy with the situation, repeatedly asking what had happened
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  Speaker 1: and where her parents were. She even insisted that they
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  Speaker 1: needed to return the vehicle because she was worried what
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  Speaker 1: her parents would do when they realized that it was gone.
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  Speaker 1: No one gave her a straight answer at first, though.
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  Speaker 1: Heather even noticed Rod speaking quietly with Charity and then
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  Speaker 1: saw the two of them looking towards her, which made
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  Speaker 1: her even more suspicious. But eventually, after Heather continued to
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  Speaker 1: demand answers, Charity told her the truth. Her parents, Richard
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  Speaker 1: and Ruth, were dead. It was only then that Heather
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  Speaker 1: learned what had happened while she had been away saying
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  Speaker 1: goodbye to her friends. Heather had seen her parents alive
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  Speaker 1: only a few hours earlier, and Rod, she even told
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  Speaker 1: him specifically not to harm them. But he had murdered
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  Speaker 1: them in cold blood. Now, she didn't leave the group, though. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: she remained in the Ford Explorer as they continued away
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  Speaker 1: from Eustace and towards Louisiana. Heather would later explain that
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  Speaker 1: by this point, she was afraid of Rod, and that
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  Speaker 1: she feared what he might do to her if she
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  Speaker 1: tried to get away too. Now, back at the Wendorf home,
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  Speaker 1: no one had called police, not yet, but someone was
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  Speaker 1: about to be on their way home. Someone was going
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  Speaker 1: to walk through that front door. At approximately 10.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: on Monday, November 25th, 1996, 17-year-old Jennifer Wendorf returned to
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  Speaker 1: her family home in Eustis, after her work shift. When
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  Speaker 1: she arrived, she first walked inside, and there was nothing
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  Speaker 1: that immediately told her what had happened inside while she
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  Speaker 1: was gone. She saw her father, Richard, laying on the
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  Speaker 1: couch in the living room with his feet visible, and
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer initially assumed that he just fell asleep watching TV.
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  Speaker 1: So trying not to wake him, she continued through the
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  Speaker 1: house without stopping to take a closer look. However, she
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  Speaker 1: noticed that something was wrong with the telephone. She tried
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  Speaker 1: to use it, and then she discovered that the cord
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  Speaker 1: had been pulled from the wall. It was strange, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe something caught on something else, and it was accident.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like something jarred it from the wall in
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  Speaker 1: movement of something else. So she went to her sister's room,
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  Speaker 1: Heather's room, to use the phone there. But Heather was
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  Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. As Jennifer continued moving through the house,
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  Speaker 1: she noticed what appeared to be blood, and then followed
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  Speaker 1: it towards the kitchen. It was there when she found
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  Speaker 1: her mother Ruth laying face down in a large pool
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  Speaker 1: of her own blood. Her head had been beaten in.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer even described the scene years later, and she remembered
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  Speaker 1: seeing her mother's brain tissue scattered across the kitchen floor.
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  Speaker 1: In a panic, Jennifer remembered her father. He was on
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  Speaker 1: the couch. She rushed to the living room, and what
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  Speaker 1: she'd mistaken initially for him just sleeping peacefully in front
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  Speaker 1: of the TV, well, now was unmistakable. His head and
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  Speaker 1: face had been so severely damaged that Jennifer struggled to
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  Speaker 1: even comprehend what she was seeing. And again, years later,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, she remembered looking at him and wondering, quote,
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  Speaker 1: where did his face go? End quote. She had now
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  Speaker 1: found both of her parents and there was no realistic
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  Speaker 1: possibility that either of them was still alive.
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  Speaker 2: I knew about the sister, but for some reason in
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  Speaker 2: my head, Well, I wanted this to be like that
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  Speaker 2: she was just off at school or off somewhere because
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  Speaker 2: like no kid, I don't even know how you would
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  Speaker 2: get through your life after seeing your parents to that extent.
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  Speaker 1: Traumatic to say the least.
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  Speaker 2: That is horrible.
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  Speaker 1: She literally wondered what happened to his face and saw
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  Speaker 1: her mother's brain matter splattered throughout the kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Now I did say floor because I wasn't sure it
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: was on the walls or ceiling or anything. So I'm
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: saying floor to be safe. But I'm almost positive just
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: from an educated guess that it would have been more
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: than just the floor.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is, you would just never unseat that. No.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Now, using a remaining working telephone inside the home, Jennifer
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: then called 911 and did her best to explain what
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: she just discovered, saying, quote, my mother and father have
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: just been killed. She also told the dispatcher that she
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: had just walked through the door and just found this.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And when the dispatcher asked about their condition, Jennifer had
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: no doubt in her mind. And she responded with, quote,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: they're dead. Now, officers immediately went to the Wendorf residence.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: There they found Richard on the couch and Ruth in
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the kitchen, just as Jennifer described. Both victims had suffered
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: extraordinary amounts of trauma to the head and face, and
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: investigators could also see that the violence had not been
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: confined to a single blow or a brief confrontation. There
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: was blood evidence throughout portions of the scene, and at
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: least one telephone, of course, being disabled deliberately by being
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: pulled from the wall. For the moment, however, officers could
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: only document what they were seeing, the significance of the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: individual wounds and the blood pattern, and other physical evidence
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: would require a much more careful examination. There was also
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: an immediate problem beyond the two bodies that were found.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: 15-year-old Heather Wendorf was missing, and Jennifer wasn't able to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: tell police where her younger sister would be. And given
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: what had happened to Richard and Ruth, investigators initially had
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: no way of knowing whether Heather had been abducted Attacked
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: somewhere else? Or taken from the house by whoever had
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: killed her parents? They knew nothing. Police therefore had to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: treat her disappearance as potentially connected to the violence until
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they could establish otherwise. But investigators soon discovered that something
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: else was missing too. And that was the family's blue
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Ford Explorer. That opened several possibilities. The killer or killers
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: might have stolen the vehicle after the murders. Heather might
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: have taken it herself. or she could have been taken
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: away in it by abductors. As officers began speaking with
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Jennifer and people who knew Heather, they soon learned that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: she had recently been talking about leaving home. She had
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: also been communicating with teenagers from Kentucky who had traveled
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to Florida to see her. And those names quickly gave
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: investigators their first real direction. The group consisted of Roderick
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Justin Farrell, Howard Scott Anderson, Charity Lynn Kesey, and Dana
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Lynn Cooper, all of whom had recently arrived from Murray, Kentucky.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Information found at the house and gathered from Heather's friends
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: further indicated that her disappearance had probably been voluntary. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: rather than finding evidence that Heather had simply vanished without explanation,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: police were beginning to reconstruct a plan in which she
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: intended to leave Eustace with these Kentucky teenagers. That still
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: left the far more serious question, of what connection, if any,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: those teenagers had to the two bodies inside the house.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Now the burned V-shape arrangement on Richard's body, with the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: dots positioned around the markings, also drew particular attention. At
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that stage, there was no obvious reason why someone should
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: have deliberately burned such a symbol into a murder victim,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and nothing about the Wendorffs themselves provided an immediate explanation
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: for it either. As police worked through the night and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: began contacting other agencies, the names from Kentucky produced a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: very important response. As we know from Part 1, the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: authorities in Murray already knew Rod Farrell and who he was.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: He was the 16-year-old who was suspected in the October
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: 14th Murray-Calloway County Animal Shelter break-in, where two puppies were
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: killed and mutilated and dozens of dogs were released. Local
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: authorities also knew about the group of teenagers surrounding Rod
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and the vampire identities that they had adopted. So suddenly,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the unusual markings in Eustace had some possible context. Rod
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and the people around him drank one another's blood, referred
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to themselves using vampire terminology, and Rod had associated himself
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: with a V-shaped symbol in the past. Now, none of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that by itself established who had murdered Richard and Ruth, though.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But it gave investigators considerably more reason to locate the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: teenagers from Kentucky as quick as possible. And by November 26th,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the search was expanding beyond Florida alone. And by November 27th,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: warrants had been issued as authorities attempted to locate these
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: five teenagers, Rod, Scott, Charity, Dana, and Heather. And the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Wendorf's Missing Blue Explorer was also on that list. Heather
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: had been crying on the road when she learned what
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: had happened to her parents. Charity was instructed by Rod
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to keep Heather calm as they left Florida. There were
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: other indications inside that Ford Explorer of what had happened
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to her parents as well. She noticed her mother's pearl necklace.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was taken from the house, and now
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Rod was seen with it. The group also had her
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: father's Discovery credit card, which they used while traveling to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: purchase gasoline and a knife as well. Now, whatever plans
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: these teenagers had made before leaving Kentucky, they were now
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: traveling in a murdered couple's stolen vehicle and financing at
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: least part of their escape with property taken from the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Wendorf home. And of course, Heather, who lived there and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: had her family murdered, was noticing. They continued westward towards
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: New Orleans, apparently still hoping that they could disappear into
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the city and establish the new life with Rod and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: how he had been describing it. But the reality of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: traveling with five people and very little money quickly began
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: interfering with that idea. Their resources were extremely limited. They
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: were carrying stolen property, and the Explorer itself was becoming
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: increasingly dangerous to use as word of the murders were
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: spreading very quickly. Police had circulated a be-on-the-lookout warning for
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: this blue Ford Explorer, identifying it as the vehicle taken
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: from the scene of a double homicide in Florida. The
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: group responded, nevertheless did make it to New Orleans. But
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: their time there was rather brief. Accounts of the trip
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: described the teenagers wandering through parts of the city before
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Charity became frightened and uncomfortable with their surroundings. So rather
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: than remain there, they continued on to Baton Rouge, where
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they rented a motel room. By this point, the practical
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: problem that followed them throughout the trip was becoming impossible
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to ignore. They were running out of money. Meanwhile, investigators
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: in Florida were working outwards from Eustace. The identities of
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the missing teenagers and the vehicles were known and warrants
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: were issued, but at this stage, police still had unresolved
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: questions about Heather's position in this case, whether she should
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: be regarded solely as a runaway or potentially as someone
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: involved in what had happened to her parents and their death.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And it was around then, when everyone knew the teenagers
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: were wanted, that they soon began contacting people they knew.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Rod phoned his grandfather, Harold Gibson, and told him that
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: he missed him. Now Harold reportedly urged Rod to surrender,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: at which point Rod hung up and ended the call.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Then a more important phone call came on Thanksgiving Day,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: November 28th, when Charity contacted her family in South Dakota
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: because the group needed money. Charity spoke to her grandmother, Joyce,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and told her that she was with Rod and that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: she was alright. Joyce could hear other people in the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: background talking and laughing while Charity repeatedly told someone to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: stop bothering her. She also thought her granddaughter sounded tired, intoxicated,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: or otherwise impaired. But Charity told her that, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the group was somewhere in Louisiana and that they needed money.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So rather than simply sending it, her mother contacted authorities
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and told them about the call. From there, a plan
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: was put together to determine exactly where the teenagers were.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: When Charity called again, she was told to find a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: motel where the group could stay and have the motel
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: clerk call her mother directly to arrange payment for the room.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Charity agreed, apparently unaware that by doing so, she'd be
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: revealing the exact location of where they were staying. Once
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the call came from the motel, authorities finally had something
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: much more useful than simply knowing the group was somewhere
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: in Louisiana. They had a specific location in Baton Rouge,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: where the five teenagers were, you know, staying.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: This really shows their age right here, hey?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It really does. Officers began watching the area for the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: group and for the blue Ford Explorer, taken from the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Wendorf home. And after three days on the run and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: hundreds of miles from Eustace, Rod, Scott, Charity, Dana, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Heather had annoyingly set a trap for themselves. And it
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: didn't take long because on November 28th, officers spotted the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Explorer sitting in the north parking lot, of a Howard
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Johnston's hotel. At approximately 10.30, officers found members of the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: group near the vehicle. They checked the explorer's license plate,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: confirmed it was the one that they were looking for
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: from the Wendorf home, and one of the first officers
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: on the scene was James Wellborn, who immediately began paying
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: attention to the teenager's behavior as police spoke with him.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Heather appeared nervous, frightened, and even shaky, while the other
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: members of the group repeatedly looked towards Rod Whenever officers
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: asked them any sort of questions, they seemed unsure how
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to respond. To Officer Wellborn, this behavior made it clear
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that Rod was the person the others looked to for direction. Now,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the encounter didn't become violent, but all five teenagers were
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: arrested and taken into custody before being transported to the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Baton Rouge Police Department. During the drive, Rod apparently wanted
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to talk. He repeatedly told the officers transporting him that
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: he would tell him everything and even claimed that what
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: he had to say would make the officer famous. The
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: officer told Rod to stop talking and read him his
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: rights for a second time and continued on to the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: police station. Now, at the station, the teenagers were separated,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: so detectives could begin interviewing them individually. And once those
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: interviews began, the story the group had carried out in
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Florida all started coming apart, though detectives right away began
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: getting substantially different versions of the same events. Now, Rod
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: initially attempted to control the narrative of the story, but
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: before long, he was flat out describing the murders himself.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: He admitted to approaching Richard Wendorf with the crowbar and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: repeatedly striking him in the head. And he even described
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the attack with disturbing enthusiasm, telling investigators, quote, I just
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: kept beating him and beating him and beating him and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: beating him, taking pleasure in it. End quote. Yeah, he
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: said beating him four times.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Jeez. Okay. That is really messed up.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: So he is like... proud of this.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He is he also described the experience as quote a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: rush wow yeah while taking richard's life basically comparing this
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: he compared it to becoming a god for a moment
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: i don't have the exact quote on that one but
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: allegedly he compared it to becoming a god for a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: moment that's how he.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Felt and this is even after he's been traveling with
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the daughter correct who's been upset correct about this happening
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: correct okay.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Not only has he been traveling well sorry he he
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: He murdered, then traveled with her. She's upset. And then
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: he's saying this.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But he knew Heather for a long time as well.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So he was talking on the phone with her considerable
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: amounts of time while he was in Kentucky and she's
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in Florida. So they had a relationship prior to this.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: So he has some understanding at the very least of
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: who these people are, whether he met them before or not.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And then he understands what his actions did because it
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: upset her so much after the fact. And still... Through
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: it all, he doesn't give a single fuck. He took
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: pleasure in it, described it as a rush and akin
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to becoming a god for a minute.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Because just to clarify too, like Heather, she for real
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: didn't want this. Or are we going to be getting
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to that?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: We will get to that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: There's some apparent discrepancies in that. Okay. Okay. It's up
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: for debate. Let's put it that way.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm kind of sitting here, because we've done
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: stories before where, you know, they have wanted the parents
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: to die.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, was she really convincing and true to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: her word that she did not want this to happen?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we can wait and hear what you have
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to say about that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: We will talk about it. Don't worry. Now, Rod's accounts
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of Ruth's death was more self-serving, saying he intended to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: leave her alive, of course. But he said that she
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: encountered him in the kitchen through the hot coffee and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: started scratching or clawing at his face. So he responded
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: by attacking her with the crowbar. Now, whatever preceded the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: attack itself, the physical evidence showed that Ruth was struck
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: repeatedly with extraordinary and excessive force. Her skull was fractured.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Her brain was lacerated. Her brainstem was severed and an
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: injury of an injury was capable of causing death. Basically,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: almost immediately is what that was. But he still kept going.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Her brains were on the fucking floor.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: It was a massive overkill for.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Both of them. It was. Richard, of course, had similar situation.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: He suffered skull fractures, brain lacerations. But unlike Ruth, though,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: he had no defensive wounds, supporting the conclusion that he
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: had been unaware of the attack when the first blow landed.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And the more detailed examination of the bodies demonstrated just
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: how sustained the attack had been, including Richard suffering the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: 22 separate wounds while Ruth suffered 23, as well as
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: having trying to defend herself with defensive wounds. Now, blood
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: pattern evidence examined by Dr. Laura Hare also showed cast off,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: consistent with Ruth continuing to be struck while she was
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: down and her attacker positioned above her, again showing the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: excessive extent of the attack. Then Richard had the small
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: burns arranged on him, the unusual V-shaped pattern with the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: dots associated with Rod's vampire identity. Now Scott's interrogation filled
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: in another important part of the story. He initially minimized
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: what he had known prior to going to that house,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: but eventually he admitted that killing Richard and Ruth had
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: been discussed before he and Rod entered. When asked whether
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: his intention was to assist Rod, Scott answered that the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: intention was, in fact, to do so. And the division
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of responsibilities was decided beforehand. Rod would go after Richard.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Scott would go after Ruth. In fact, immediately before entering,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Rod asked Scott had he had a problem with, quote,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: taking these people out. And Scott said that he didn't.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Once inside, however, Scott watched Rod strike Richard, and he
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: immediately abandoned his intended role. Quote, when I saw him
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: make the first blow, I knew I couldn't. So Scott
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: had knowingly entered the Wendorf home as part of a plan,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: including killing two people, but the available physical evidence and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: statements attributed the fatal attacks themselves to Rod and Rod alone.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Scott admitted disabling the telephone inside the home and his
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: presence in prior agreement made him far more than an
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: unsuspecting witness. but he maintained he froze once the violence
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: actually began. Now, during questioning of Charity and Dana, they
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: provided another perspective on the planning of the whole murder
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: as well. They both described Rod talking about killing the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Wendorfs before the murder occurred. Dana said the subject came
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: up repeatedly during the trip south, while Charity described Rod
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: telling them that he intended to kill Heather's parents and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: instructing them not to tell Heather. Their accounts also indicated
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that neither of them wanted Richard and Ruth killed, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: that attempts had actually been made to discourage Rod, although
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: they still continued traveling with him and helped remove Heather
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: from the immediate area, while Rod and Scott remained behind. Now,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Heather's interview became more complicated, because other witnesses had already
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: described statements that she had allegedly made about wanting her
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: parents dead, and this is what you were asking about earlier.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Friends recalled hearing Heather saying she wanted them gone, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: one witness described reading a letter expressing a similar sentiment.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Another school witness remembered Heather saying after an argument that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: she wanted her parents dead, and those statements were very significant,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but they existed alongside Heather's own account of a much
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: more immediate conversation with Rod on the afternoon of the murders.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Heather said Rod had asked her after school whether she
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: wanted her parents, quote, dead or alive. And her answer,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: she insisted, was alive. She told investigators that she had
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: specifically warned him, quote, don't even go near my parents,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: end quote. And she said she wanted Richard and Ruth
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: left alone. Heather acknowledged knowing that Rod talked about killing
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: people and claimed he had even killed people before, but
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: She said she just assumed he was simply talking, telling
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: fictional and fantasy stories. The competing statements that were surrounding
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Heather would become a major question in this case. But
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: her presence away from the house during the murder, while that,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, was not disputed. That's a fact.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: By this point, investigators also had evidence that Rod's violence
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: in Florida had not appeared from nowhere. Authorities in Kentucky
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: connected him, of course, to the Murray-Calloway County Animal Shelter case,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: while people close to him described the earlier killings of
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a kitten, the repeated violent threats, and months of increasingly
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: violent behavior, too. The vampire identity surrounding Rod made the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: case sensational, but the evidence emerging from the interrogations pointed
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: towards a much more practical element. Scott's car was unreliable.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: The group wanted to reach New Orleans. And witnesses in
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Eustace heard Rod say before the murders occurred that he
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: intended to take their Ford Explorer. He intended to kill
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Richard and Ruth simply because he needed a vehicle. Within
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: days of the murders, police therefore had something far more
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: substantial than a story about teenagers who drank blood and
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: called themselves vampires. They had Rod's confession. Scott's admission and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the killings had been planned before even entering the house,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: statements from Charity and Dana describing advanced discussion of murder,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: witnesses who had heard Rod announce his intentions in Eustace,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and physical evidence consistent with the brutal attacks he had described.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: The question was no longer whether Richard and Ruth Wendorf
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: had been murdered by members of the group. It was
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: how the law would treat each of the five teenagers
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: who had left Eustace together. Following their arrest in Louisiana,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the five teenagers were returned to Florida, but prosecutors didn't
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: treat all of them alike. Heather Wendorf had initially been
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: detained under a juvenile murder charge, charge, and witnesses had
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: described statements in which she allegedly wished her parents were dead.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Against that was Heather's recorded instance that she had specifically
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: told Rod not to hurt them, though, along with the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: fact that she had been away from the house when
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the murders occurred. State Attorney Brad King eventually acknowledged that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: prosecutors could not prove Heather knew her parents were going
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: to be harmed. Her case went before two grand juries,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: but neither of them returned with an indictment, meaning Heather
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: was therefore never prosecuted for the murder of her parents
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Richard and Ruth. The other four, on the other hand,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: faced criminal consequences. Charity Kesey and Dana Cooper neither of
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: whom had entered the Wendorf home during the killings, were
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: both convicted in 1998 of two counts of third-degree murder,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: along with armed robbery and burglary charges. Charity received 10
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and a half years in prison, while Dana received 17
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and a half years. Howard Scott Anderson whose interrogation established
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that he had entered the house intending to participate in
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: the murder before freezing when Rod attacked Richard, pleaded guilty
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: in 1998 and received a life sentence behind bars. Though
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: his punishment was eventually reconsidered under changes in the law
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: governing sentences imposing for crimes committed by juveniles, and in
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: 2018 his life sentence was reduced to 40 years. Rod's
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: case reached court on in February of 1998, when he
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: was 17 years old. On February 12th, shortly after proceedings began,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: he abandoned his initial attempt to contest his guilt and
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: entered guilty pleas without a negotiated sentence agreement. He admitted
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to two counts of first degree murder, armed burglary and
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: armed robbery, leaving the court to determine whether he would
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: spend the rest of his life in prison or if
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: he would be sentenced to death. That unfortunately shifted the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: focus almost entirely onto Rod himself. And his defense began
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: presenting the unstable childhood that he had, the one that
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: was surrounding him long before the murders, including his absent father,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: his mother's drug and alcohol use, and allegations that Rod
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: had suffered sexual assault and rape when he was a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: young child, though there was never any criminal charges over
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: any of those claims, and they remain purely speculative. Mental
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: health evidence was similarly complicated. A defense psychologist believed Rod
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: had been experiencing an extreme mental or emotional disturbance at
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the time of the murders and described the vampire clan
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: as providing structure, family, and even a father figure that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Rod had lacked elsewhere in his life. The psychologist did not, however,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: testify that Rod was incapable of understanding his actions. And
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: under cross-examination, he agreed that Rod knew right from wrong
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: when he entered that Wendorf home. But he maintained that
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Rod's psychological state had significantly been impaired with his judgment
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: and his ability to make rational decisions. Prosecutors, however, argued
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: that whatever difficulties Rod had experienced, the murders themselves demonstrated
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: planning and conscious decision-making. He had discussed killing Richard and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Ruth before entering the home. he obtained the crowbar. He
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: attacked Richard without warning, and after which, he then killed
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Ruth when she encountered him. Then he searched the house,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: stole property, and escaped in the family's Ford Explorer. Even
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: his own statements about enjoying the violence and feeling a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: rush while taking a life also became difficult evidence for
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the defense to overcome. Ultimately, the jury unanimously voted 12
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to 0, on their decision. They recommended the death penalty.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Circuit Judge Jerry T. Lockett agreed and sentenced Rod to death,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: making the 17-year-old one of the youngest prisoners on Florida's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: death row. However, Rod would not remain under death sentence though.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: In the year 2000, the Florida Supreme Court reduced his
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: punishment to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole because
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: he had only been 16 when Richard and Ruth were murdered.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: It was even a change that came years before the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court's 2005 decision prohibiting execution for crimes
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: committed by juveniles. But changes in juvenile sentence law did
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: eventually give Rod another opportunity to argue that he should
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: someday actually be released. During a 2019 resentencing hearing, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: now approaching 40 years old, Rod and his defense team
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: presented evidence of his behavior during more than two decades
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: behind bars, including educational and reentry programs and vocational accomplishments.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Rod also apologized to the Wendor family, telling them that
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: he understood nothing he could say or do would bring
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Richard and Ruth back. But the court wasn't persuaded that
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: his development in prison outweighed the circumstances of the murders
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: or concerns about his credibility. Circuit Judge G. Richard Singletary
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: examined Rod's changing explanations over the years, including unsupported claims
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: about enormous quantities of drugs immediately before the murders, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: later versions that shifted responsibility towards Scott or portrayed the
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: trip as an attempt to rescue Heather. And he found
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: those accounts inconsistent with other evidence, particularly testimony that Rod
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: had discussed killing the Wendorffs to obtain their Ford Explorer
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: before he entered their home. So in April of the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: year 2020, Judge Singletary upheld Rod's life without parole sentence,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: finding him irreputably corrupt, in the judge's words. And so
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Rod would remain in prison for the murders he committed
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: at 16. Ultimately, the mythology surrounding the case has lasted
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: for decades at this point. Vampires, blood-drinking, cemeteries, ritual markings,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: animal sacrifices, and a teenager calling himself Vassago, a century-old vampire.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Those details were very real parts of Rod's world, but
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: they can also overwhelm the much simpler reality of what
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: happened on November 25th, 1996. Richard Wendorff was resting on
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the couch, and Ruth Wendorff was inside her own home
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: when the two teenagers entered their garage because they wanted
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the family's vehicle. Both Richard and Ruth were subsequently beaten
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to death. Their property was taken, and their 17-year-old daughter
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: came home from work to find them. And whatever name
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Rod gave himself, Richard and Ruth Wendorf were the only
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: reason his name ever became known at all. And that's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the story of the vampire clan murders.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Those were some harsh, harsh sentences.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: They were. And rightfully fucking so.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I kind of like them.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: But I was also sitting there a little shook by
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: them too.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: How so? In what way?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I do think it's, I, I
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: feel like Heather got off really lucky to be honest.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: She did, but I genuinely believe she had no, idea
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: on the murder of her own family i genuinely do
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong she may have actually said oh
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: i want my parents dead i wish they'd go or
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: leave whatever she might have.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Said a lot of kids do a lot of kids
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: do yeah but still i don't know she was i
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: guess i'm just surprised that yeah she got off completely
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: scot-free but i guess she also didn't because she has
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: to live with the fact of her parents getting have
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: being murdered for the rest of her life.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Right exactly very hard That's a sentence in itself.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And I guess I'm a– the gals got more
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: than I thought they would have, the two girls. And
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: then– and Scott as well. That was his name, right?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Scott?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Well, he entered the home intending to kill, witnessed the kill,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: helped kind of rob after the fact.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: And left, didn't contact police for three days.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: The girls took Heather away from the home knowing what
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Rod was talking about doing, intending to do, whether they
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: believed him or not. They took Heather away so he
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: could have whatever time alone that he wanted to. And
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: then they also came back and left in the Ford
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Explorer as well.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I do think Rod, like, yeah, he... I mean,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: getting the death sentence at doing a crime when you're
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: 16 was like, holy frick. But like, yeah, he definitely
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: deserves to be in forever. But then... I don't, yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: you got to think that these, they were all like
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: really young, they're kids. So I don't know. And we've
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: done other cases where people are adults and have done
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: terrible things and get less time than some of that,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that they are. So I'm just a bit surprised.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I think what they got is just, and I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: think some of these, these cases we've done where these
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: adults commit these crimes that are lesser than, or sorry,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: more than. and they get a lesser sentence, I think
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: is bullshit.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: So the justice system has gotten soft.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it certainly has, if I'm honest. Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: But that's not to say that it hasn't been soft
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: in other cases of that era or earlier as well,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: because it certainly has been.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And don't get me wrong. Like, yeah, these are
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: deserving sentences, but I just comparatively to other things we've
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: gone over and talked about, I was kind of like,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: holy fuck. This is good. It is good. What's happening here?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: We need more like this. We need more sentences and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: more just do like this case.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I do have to say, I do not think the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: death sentence should be handed out to someone who committed
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: a crime at 16, though. So I do think that's
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: probably good. That one got overturned because that's a bit much,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I have an opinion on that one.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it hard enough for someone underage.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I do understand the severity of what he committed. But
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I do also understand of your brain's not even fully
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: developed yet. But also at the same time, it's like, well,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: if his brain's not fully developed.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: What could he turn into?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: What could he become if he did fully develop? What
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: would he do?
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think, okay, I think the other reason
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: why I'm finding those sentences a bit harsh too is
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: because they were, the other three individuals were like quite
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: manipulated by him, right? Yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: So, and lots of times that seems people take that
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: into account.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: But in which way were they manipulated?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Well, he was kind of, I don't know, I almost
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: in my brain, maybe I'm totally wrong here. I kind
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: of like have him being on a pedestal to these people,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: these other kids, almost like he's like a cult leader
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: in a sense. And like, they're really They themselves maybe
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: are outcasts and he's giving them what they want or
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: something like this family, this group, this friendship. So in
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: my thought, I guess they were a little bit manipulated
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: by him.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: For sure. But you have to sit here and– So
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is like they're young, he's young, but
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: he's manipulating them and they should be somewhat like accountability
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: or a little less accountability.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Some leniency because of that, I guess.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: But what sort of manipulation does he have over them
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: if he too is a child? One of them, in fact,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: is 19 when he's 16. One of those girls was
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: 19 years old, three years older than him.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And age holds a lot when you're that young too.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: But I mean, just think about you as an adult
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: looking up to another adult. So they're teenagers looking up
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: to another teenager.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, but as an adult, you should know better.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. So they didn't know better.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: But neither did he. So how much manipulation could there
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: be instilled if he also doesn't know better? That's all
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah. I don't know if I'm portraying my
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: words right here, but he's how much of a messiah,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: a cult leader, How much manipulation could he have really had?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: He wasn't scaring them. He wasn't doing anything to physically
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: abuse them. They were a close-knit group of friends.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Well, Heather did say she was afraid, right?
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, once her parents were dead.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: So they were a close-knit group who relied on each other.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: He might have been like the leader of them, sure.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: But they were all just as culpable in my mind.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: In my mind.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Like they could have easily gotten themselves out of that
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: situation basically is what you're thinking.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They went around in Eustace inviting other of Heather's
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: friends to go too. And they're like, no, I'm good.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: They could have done the exact same thing. A lot.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people did turn them down. Gosh.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: So I do get what you're saying, but the problem,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the problem with it that I see is there's too
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: many ways out. If they just stop for a second,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: they don't have to do any of this. it's full
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: voluntary action. It's not like they're isolated. It's not like
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: they're being, you know, physically abused in any way. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: he's 16 himself. How manipulate, how manipulative could he be?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm being a little bit redundant in
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: saying that, but because there are children and young kids
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: who are psychos, who are extremely manipulative. Well, I am
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: being naive by saying that, but.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: But he could also like, I mean, these people are like,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: joined in quotation by blood. So he could be using
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: that against them too, right? Like, I don't know. The
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: whole thing is just so in my brain, just far-fetched.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I've just, this is just shit that I can't comprehend happens.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I gotcha. No, you're right. And a lot of the
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: things I'm saying, it's not because like you're wrong or anything.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. But I don't,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: when I look at this personally, I don't see Rod
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: as being manipulative. I see him as someone who likes
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the attention and the attention that he's receiving makes him
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: do more. So in fact, if anything, I think he's
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: being manipulated by those who are following him because it
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: gives him a, a sense of superiority, an air or
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: feeling of being a God is sort of what he
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: said when he killed Richard, he's getting this, This sense
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: of air of I'm untouchable. I have these people who
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: are relying on me. So he goes farther because of that.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's a situation of feeding off each other.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: In a sense, but he also is very evil. Oh, no.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Because of the fact that he didn't even have a
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: taint of remorse.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: No, 100%.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: After what he did there.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: He is the biggest piece of shit in the story
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Because at least Scott went in that situation and was like, nope.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Nope. You're right.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it like fueled Rod.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Definitely. Well, we talked in part one about the psychologist
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: who was breaking through on role playing games. How when
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: someone actually commits a horrible act according to their fantasy
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: role playing, it's not because the role playing induced it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: It's because something was already there. The fantasy role playing
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: just gave him a medium to put that energy into
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to commit the act. Which is the whole satanic panic
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: thing back in the 70s and 80s and even early
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: 90s of Dungeons and Dragons. But it's because he was
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: already capable of it. He might have been thinking he
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: was some fucking 500-year-old vampire looking at these people following him.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But that's not what made him kill. It's only because
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: it gave him a reason to kill. Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: He would be, it would be very interesting to sit
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: down and like interview him now, hey, when he is
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: like in his 40s or whatever.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you should see a picture of this guy. He
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: looks scary.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Does he?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, he does. I mean, now being like 40 years old, yeah.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: He's a scrawny little guy, but you look at him,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: he just.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Like he still looks slightly evil?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, he looks evil as fuck. Like he looks like
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: a killer in a fucking horror film. So I'm swearing
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: lots right now.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of does. Oh yeah. Like, okay. Even
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like just, if you're walking down the street
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and past him, I would just get the heebie jeebies.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And there he is back in 1998.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: He's got that same, like, It's his eyes, yeah.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: There's something cold in that crooked fucking grin he has.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It's scary.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Anyways.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll leave it at that, eh? Yes.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Do you want to give us the outro today?
• 57:20
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• 57:25
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• 57:28
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• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Stay wicked.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you.