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Shannon Penn on Giants in Shambles, Russell Wilson's HOF case, Nico Harrison's bizarre racism | 11.12 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Shannon Penn. What's going on, my brother?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir. And it's funny. It's funny. When the Giants
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  Speaker 2: Day Bowl news came out, I was looking at my
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  Speaker 2: phone like, I wonder at what point Bo gonna hit
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  Speaker 2: me up.
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  Speaker 1: I let you live, man.
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  Speaker 2: I let it.
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  Speaker 1: Because the thing was, we were so busy, we had
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  Speaker 1: to try to get something cracking over here. But what
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  Speaker 1: happened with Day Bowl, I had a pretty good idea
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  Speaker 1: that I knew what your feelings on the matter were. But, however, like,
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  Speaker 1: y'all had that one year. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And he did lead them to the playoffs, but what
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  Speaker 2: was the overall record? What, 20, 39?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's 20, 40, and 1.
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  Speaker 2: 20, 39, and 1. You can't give them that extra loss. 20, 39,
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  Speaker 2: and 1 or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, my bad.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't dislike Dayball. I like Dayball.
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  Speaker 1: I like.
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  Speaker 2: But they had to do it. Like, it was time. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it was time. Everybody felt it. My man was out
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  Speaker 2: here panicking, fighting for his life. This is my life.
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  Speaker 2: He was fighting for his life, going in the concussion tent,
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  Speaker 2: costing that boy Jackson Dart four concussion protocols now. It
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  Speaker 2: was time. He was fighting, though. He was fighting for
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  Speaker 2: his life.
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  Speaker 1: Hold up. I need people to understand something about Shannon. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I have known Shannon now for nearly 20 years. We're
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  Speaker 1: at like an 18 pushing 19 at this point, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I've met Shannon right around the Giants sneaking that
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  Speaker 1: one Super Bowl, right? We were doing a radio show
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  Speaker 1: in 08 when they snuck the Super Bowl over the Patriots,
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  Speaker 1: and then they snuck that other Super Bowl. So when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the post-Coughlin Giants and how it's all
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  Speaker 1: falling apart, we got to be real. If they hadn't
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  Speaker 1: snuck those two Super Bowls, and look, I get it,
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  Speaker 1: they Super Bowls, we'd really be talking about like 20-something
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  Speaker 1: years of this, right? Like that's what we would be saying.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I've had the ability to delicately but somewhat playfully antagonize
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  Speaker 1: Shannon for a very long time. Nothing quite like that
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  Speaker 1: time when the Eagles came back from their four touchdowns
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  Speaker 1: in the second half that time and Shannon's wife, who
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  Speaker 1: was an Eagles fan, turned on the post-game show on
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  Speaker 1: the laptop to make her watch it. Back when it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that easy to do that before the internet had
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  Speaker 1: come around this place. Back when Shannon was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more hot-headed. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: It was tough times.
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  Speaker 1: And I used to be able to send Shannon texts
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  Speaker 1: about the Giants joking, but he knew what time it was.
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  Speaker 1: We was all together, right?
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  Speaker 2: You mean to tell me after every Eli Manning pick,
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  Speaker 2: you would send, what's up with your boy? What's up
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  Speaker 2: with your man? What's up with your man? Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: I was helping you cope.
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  Speaker 2: And you like, we.
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  Speaker 1: Was all together on this one. What I learned very
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  Speaker 1: quickly though was this year, Jackson Dart made Shannon feel
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  Speaker 1: something on the inside that he ain't know he can
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  Speaker 1: feel no more, right? This white dude out here thinking
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  Speaker 1: like he's shooting dice, right? He the C-Lo champ of Kaysville, Utah.
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  Speaker 1: He got Shannon charged up. I can't imagine how mad
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  Speaker 1: you were at Brian Day Ball messing with your new homeboy.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what this is? I'm glad you made
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  Speaker 2: that point about how hot-headed I used to be and
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  Speaker 2: where I am now. You know what? This is growth
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  Speaker 2: for you, boy. This is growth. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: take this time, this opportunity right now to formally apologize
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  Speaker 2: to Jackson Dart. I'm sorry, Jackson. I was unfamiliar with
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  Speaker 2: your game on and off the field. My bad, man.
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  Speaker 2: I was in my field. I wanted the Giants to
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  Speaker 2: draft the black quarterback. That was on me. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: aware of how you get down and how you got down.
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  Speaker 2: My apologies, my man. Like, taking care of business on
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  Speaker 2: the field, but more importantly, bringing that bringing the aura,
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  Speaker 2: whatever the kids use now, on the feet. Obviously with
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  Speaker 2: Scatterball as well. My man, Roland Dice, doing the whole
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  Speaker 2: celebration thing. I was unfamiliar. My bad, man. That's on me.
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  Speaker 2: From one G to another now. My bad, Jay.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, did you see Malik Neighbors put on Instagram, like,
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  Speaker 1: this joint about Jackson Dart? It's like Jackson Dart's in
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  Speaker 1: his parents' house, and he's talking all prim and proper.
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  Speaker 1: And then the second he gets out the door, he's like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: what's up, brothers? You know what I'm saying? Like, I...
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  Speaker 1: There are so many questions, right, that I have there.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to know how much Jackson Dart hates
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  Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. Like, you remember Utah's old Zach Wilson when
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  Speaker 1: he was at the draft and the brothers was all
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  Speaker 1: doing all they dap and everything else, and Jackson Dart
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  Speaker 1: looked like he was in the middle of gang crossfire.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not Jackson. I'm Jack Wilson. Zach Wilson, my bad.
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  Speaker 1: He was out there like, oh, what am I supposed
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  Speaker 1: to do? Jackson Dart would have been in there like, yo.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. On the blackhead side now. Yeah, there we go,
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  Speaker 1: big dog.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the episode of Fresh Prince with Carlton Lutton
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  Speaker 2: hung out in the hood. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Except Jackson Dart would already be there and have judgment, right?
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  Speaker 1: He would be trying to get Carlton to spit his lit.
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  Speaker 1: But no, Brian Dayball was out here trying to get
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  Speaker 1: your boy hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, four times in a concussion protocol for a rookie
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  Speaker 2: quarterback is... is irresponsible and it's dangerous. And the Giants
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  Speaker 2: couldn't put up with this. Like, I get it. If
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  Speaker 2: you're Dayball, you're trying everything. Like, hey, I need this
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  Speaker 2: young man to save my job. Like, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: You fighting for your life. I absolutely get it. But
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  Speaker 2: you can't do that at the expense of this young
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  Speaker 2: man's health. And I think that's where, that was the
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  Speaker 2: tipping point. And, And what? Sunday's game against the Bears. Again,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have a run game, no pass game, so
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  Speaker 2: you got to have him do everything. But it became
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  Speaker 2: a point where enough was enough. And if you're the
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  Speaker 2: Giants now, it's like, hey, Kafka will give him a
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  Speaker 2: shot on the interim to see what he's got. And
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  Speaker 2: then starting this week, we got some quarterback news, don't we, Bo,
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  Speaker 2: on my Giants?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get there. But let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: this right fast. I had this realization about Dayball. And
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  Speaker 1: I said on the last show that we did, I
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  Speaker 1: talked about Dayball, and I made the point that If
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  Speaker 1: you have to save your job, you've already lost your job, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like it's not your job. You're actually trying to get
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  Speaker 1: it back if you are trying to save your job.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't really work in corporate jobs, but I
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  Speaker 1: know some of them terms that people talk about. And
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  Speaker 1: now we got new terminology that we could use under
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  Speaker 1: these circumstances, which is they have put Dayball on the
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  Speaker 1: performance improvement plan, a.k.a. a plan. You know about the plan, huh?
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  Speaker 2: What's up? What's up?
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  Speaker 1: So the performance improvement plan is when they call you
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  Speaker 1: into your job and they let you know, hey, your
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  Speaker 1: performance has not really been up to snuff, but we're
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  Speaker 1: going to put you on a plan to get better.
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  Speaker 1: But once they put you on the plan, there's no
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  Speaker 1: coming back, right? There's no coming back from that. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're Daybone. They put him on a plan.
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  Speaker 1: How many people actually, like the rare person who makes
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  Speaker 1: the turnaround when they put him on a plan was
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  Speaker 1: actually Tom Coughlin. Because remember, it was the mutiny. The
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  Speaker 1: fellas that had enough of his guff.
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  Speaker 2: Right. That 0-7 season. After the 0-2 start, and they
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  Speaker 2: were like, we're tired of this. They're showing up early stuff.
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  Speaker 2: This ain't working. We need to open up the offense.
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  Speaker 2: We need to do something. And they turned it around. Right.
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  Speaker 1: We don't like you, and we're losing. It can't be
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  Speaker 1: these two things. But Shannon hit on it. Jackson Dart,
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  Speaker 1: we are assuming, is not going to play because he
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  Speaker 1: got his egg scrambled again. Um, and so the giants,
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  Speaker 1: and this makes me raise a question about day bowl,
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  Speaker 1: but the giants have decided, look, man, we just can't
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  Speaker 1: keep putting Russell Wilson out there. And so now we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have some fun and Jamis Winston is going
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  Speaker 1: to start in this game against the Packers. Now I
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  Speaker 1: want to take this back to day bowl. Cause I
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  Speaker 1: do think this is interesting. I am curious your thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly day bowl had no faith in Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, nor should he have. Like, that
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  Speaker 1: is a reasonable position that he had. But as we
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  Speaker 1: have established, Brian Dayball's job, one, was I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to get fired, okay? Now, I don't know if he
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  Speaker 1: thought that Russell Wilson would save his job, but I
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  Speaker 1: know he is certain that Jameis Winston would have gotten
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  Speaker 1: him fired, right? The last time we had seen Jameis
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  Speaker 1: Winston play football, he was better than the last time
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  Speaker 1: we had seen Russell Wilson play football, you could argue, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: All these situations where Russell had been coming in there
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  Speaker 1: during these concussions, that could have very easily been Jameis Winston.
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  Speaker 1: It's a day ball new. Hell no. He is going
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  Speaker 1: to get me fired. No chance. No chance. Now Kafka
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  Speaker 1: is like, I'll never get this job if Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 1: is the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing with Jameis. It's high risk, high reward.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Jameis is going to throw a
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  Speaker 2: ton of picks, but he's going to let that thing go, too.
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  Speaker 2: And you thought initially with Russ, it was like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: he's great at the deep pass. But then at some point,
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  Speaker 2: Russ forgot how to throw the deep pass. Russ forgot
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  Speaker 2: how to throw periods. As we saw in that Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City game, and as we saw this past week in Chicago, like,
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  Speaker 2: Russ forgot how to throw the ball, and he just
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  Speaker 2: looked old, and you couldn't, as the Giants, you can't
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  Speaker 2: move forward with that. So at least with Jameis, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have some fun. Like, that's the thing. You've
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  Speaker 2: got to still be selling tickets. You've got to sell
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  Speaker 2: something to your team, especially with your most likely a franchise...
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  Speaker 2: quarterback going to be out for some time, you had
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  Speaker 2: to sell something. You couldn't sell to your fans moving
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  Speaker 2: forward like, hey, for the rest of this year, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get a lot more of these Russell Wilson games.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't do that. You couldn't do that. So at
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  Speaker 2: least with Jameis, it's going to be entertaining. He's going
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  Speaker 2: to run around. We're going to get those pregame speeches now.
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  Speaker 2: He might eat a dub or they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: taking losses. At least you have something to watch as
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  Speaker 2: compared to what Russ wasn't able to give you down
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  Speaker 2: the stretch of the season.
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  Speaker 1: People really like Jameis. They enjoy Jameis. I told you, man,
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  Speaker 1: I still can't believe I ran up on him at
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  Speaker 1: Morningside Park on a Sunday morning in the summer of 2024.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea why he was there. So what
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  Speaker 1: is interesting to me, though like Russell Wilson and Jameis
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  Speaker 1: Winston are kind of sort of different sides of the
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  Speaker 1: same coin, which is many find each of them to
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  Speaker 1: be a bit disingenuous. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But Jameis does it in the fun way. Jameis is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely trying to win you over. But I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like he's not who he is when he tries to
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  Speaker 1: win you over. I have no idea who Russell Wilson is.
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  Speaker 1: I got a real good handle on what Jameis Winston is.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is also some indications of what he might
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  Speaker 1: be capable of. But I know exactly who he is.
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  Speaker 1: And it's fun when it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and that's the thing with Russ. At times, he's
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  Speaker 2: come off as disingenuous, whereas, like, Jameis, hey, the character
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  Speaker 2: that is Jameis is the character that you're going to get,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when the cameras are on and when they're off.
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  Speaker 2: And teammates seem to gravitate around that, gravitate towards that.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me. So, with Russ, that wasn't the case. You
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  Speaker 2: could just tell. It's like, yes, both guys are deep-rooted
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  Speaker 2: in their faith, but it seemed at times that, although...
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  Speaker 2: See if this makes sense. Although Jameis preached, Russ came
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  Speaker 2: off as more preachy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. But it's weird because Jameis sound exactly
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  Speaker 1: like the preacher you shouldn't trust.
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  Speaker 2: What was what was David Alan Gray Omar? And they're like,
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  Speaker 2: that's his character. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jameis is exactly Jameis explaining to me why my
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  Speaker 1: money ain't going nowhere that I can see. Right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: Jameis is explaining to you why God sent that Cadillac.
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  Speaker 1: Why it was imperative, in fact, that he had that Cadillac.
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  Speaker 2: So, Russ is officially done, right?
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  Speaker 1: He's cooked.
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  Speaker 2: Like, Russ is done done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like, unless he's willing, and maybe he
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  Speaker 1: is willing to take those jobs where there's no chance
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  Speaker 1: you ever play, but it can't nobody put him back
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  Speaker 1: out there, man.
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  Speaker 2: He looks so old. So my question for you now
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  Speaker 2: looking back, if Russ is– Russ that we knew, star
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  Speaker 2: quarterback Russ is done, done. So now how do you
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  Speaker 2: think his time at the end of Seattle, his time
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  Speaker 2: with Denver those two years, now with Pittsburgh and now
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  Speaker 2: with the Giants, how has that impacted how we view
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  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson? I'm not even getting to a Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame candidacy, just how he's viewed overall because in Seattle
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  Speaker 2: he was the quarterback looked at, he couldn't do any wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Now that perception has totally been flipped, especially after what
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  Speaker 2: happened in Denver.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting about it is, so I remember when
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  Speaker 1: things started going bad in Denver, I used to use
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  Speaker 1: the Apple News app a lot. And it was stunning
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  Speaker 1: how the algorithm every day just sent me how terrible
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  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was, right? Like it was all kinds of
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: different things. People hate Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson can't do this.
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  Speaker 1: Everything else. Like I can't think of a time when
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  Speaker 1: a turn has happened on a player that felt quite
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  Speaker 1: like it did with this guy. who is ultimately really inoffensive,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that that has colored the way that
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  Speaker 1: people have talked about his career, right? Now, you say
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  Speaker 1: we're not talking about Hall of Fame candidacy. Let's put
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  Speaker 1: that up there, though. I don't buy the idea that
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  Speaker 1: you can play yourself out of the Hall of Fame, right?
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  Speaker 1: If you ever thought that man was a Hall of Famer,
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  Speaker 1: then he is a Hall of Famer. Now, an interesting
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  Speaker 1: comparison is him and Stafford, and people who listen to
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  Speaker 1: this show know I talk about Stafford all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but Stafford is probably going to make the Pro Bowl
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  Speaker 1: this year for what I believe would be the fourth time.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, because of how he's playing really this year,
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  Speaker 1: is going to make it into the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like I think, oh, by the way, it'll be his
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  Speaker 1: third time if he goes this year.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's been in the Pro Bowl 10 times. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Pro Bowls are the ultimate metric, right?
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  Speaker 1: But the metrics that people have typically used, Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 1: clears them. He's won a Super Bowl as starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: He's been to two Super Bowls. He's had how many
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  Speaker 1: seasons of 30 touchdowns? Say what you want about the
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  Speaker 1: defense that they had in Seattle. It wasn't like Russell
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  Speaker 1: was out there throwing a swan at Stalbert. when he
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  Speaker 1: was getting this done, like he had his flaws as
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  Speaker 1: a player. But if you ever thought that he was
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, then I don't think that what
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  Speaker 1: has happened these last couple of years would take him out.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not, I'm a person that thinks that longevity
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  Speaker 1: is typically overvalued when people talk about whether or not
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  Speaker 1: you go to the Hall of Fame. To me, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what were you at the peak of what you had? Now,
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  Speaker 1: he was never first team or second team All-Pro. That's
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  Speaker 1: another fair discussion. But if you ever thought he was
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer before, I think that means he's
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer now.
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  Speaker 2: So looking back at those Seattle teams, like right now
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  Speaker 2: on the face without having to look up all the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: how many of those guys from that Seattle team do
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  Speaker 2: you think ultimately make the Hall of Fame?
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  Speaker 1: I think Russ makes it. I mean, I'm still going
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  Speaker 1: to say I think he does. Now, it'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It may take a while, but I think the resume
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  Speaker 1: is going to be difficult, kind of difficult to fight.
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  Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch is going to be the interesting one. I
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  Speaker 1: think he probably gets in because the scarcity at the
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  Speaker 1: position in the time period. And he's generally a liked guy.
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  Speaker 1: But I think him then on defense, Bobby Wagner, Earl Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: Richard Sherman.
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  Speaker 2: There's no disagreement there. Like I thought all three of
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: those guys like some will try to make an argument
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: for camp chancellor there. But I think but I but I.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: He's fringy. I don't see it happening. Earl Thomas, it's interesting.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: At one point, he was in that conversation with best
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: defensive player in the league.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I get everybody looked at Sherm because he talked, and
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: we know how solid Wagner was, but Earl Thomas was
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: the best defensive player on that team.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I agree. Bobby Wagner's going to walk in there.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, I think people have just kind of forgotten,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: but I think it's pretty clear that he is going
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: to go in there. Yeah, with Cam Chancellor, just a reminder,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: safety's a tough position. It took Steve Atwater 30 years.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: to get into the Hall of Fame. Well, not 30,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: but it was a significant period of time for him
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: to get into the Hall of Fame. But yeah, Russ,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I've never.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Again, the distaste that people seem to have for him.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: That's the part that I find to be so strange.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: He's a bit annoying, but he don't do nothing to nobody.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: He's harmless, right? Ultimately harmless.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, we got to run with the point that
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Ryan made before the show. I asked the question, man,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: what's the name of the podcast that Russ and Sierra
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: are going to be? Or is it going to be
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: a reality TV show where they go find wayward boppers, influencers,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: and pop stars and help them find themselves an athletic man?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Hell, that could be a podcast itself.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, they're going to make a whole
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: TV show about that one.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: And two, it's all going to be relationship-based though, right?
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is, whether it's the podcast or reality show,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: it's going to be relationship-based.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: With a dollop of the Savior.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Well, that's always... That's ever-present. That's always going to be...
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: That's because that was able to happen. Remember, it was
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: preyed on.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: So that's where it starts. Remember when Russell Wilson tried
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: to convince us that somehow they had started doing that thing,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: and then they... yeah whatever you say dog that was
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: i'll tell this right fast this is being shared i
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: think i think we were doing a radio show together
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: by then um and long and short russell wilson got
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: on some tv show and told everybody that he and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: sierra decided that they was going to be celibate until
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: they got married And that became a topic on television. And,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm built different than a lot of people.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And so people would talk about it. And some folks
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: would talk about how they was impressed by that.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: And I was not.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I was not. I am not. I'm not impressed by
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you not having sex with Sierra. Not at all. Boy,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: one of my colleagues jumped on Twitter and got mad
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: at me. And he said that I owe an apology
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to him and everybody else who believed in his Lord.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And I was like. That's not happening, sir. You must
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: be crazy.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Hell no.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Out here being celibate after you're already dating Sierra. And
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: from the.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Implication, after y'all already was doing it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Right. That would be actually defined as hustling backwards.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Like, uh-uh, what are we doing? We're here now. Like, Like,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the proverbial toothpaste is out of the tube. Yeah. Like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: we here now. We made it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Good for you, homie. Right?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm giving the most backhanded.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Good for you.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: But anyway, the podcast is coming.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Now, is Russ going to be bad for business? Is
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: he going to mess up the podcast?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I think he'll find a lane. I think they'll find
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a lane because you got, like you said, the amount
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: of people who are going to be into that, especially
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: if you're The church-going folks are going to be all in.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: The relationship folks, the folks, well, how can I snag
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: me a baller? There's absolutely a market for that.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: That book, that thing will fly off the shelves.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Look, man, you got to gatekeep some of this stuff. Like,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: what did I say? A magician can't reveal all of
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: his tricks.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're going to be so much paper in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that book. The streets that I don't traffic on are clamoring.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Not to mention, too, like, oh, like, the game is
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: so different now. Like, how these kids move in these
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: internet streets now and the social media and the streams. Like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I don't understand any of it. Like, I don't know
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: how to do any of that stuff. So I can't
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: imagine the lengths in which some of these people do,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: sliding in DMs, you know, fake FaceTimes, the whole nine. Like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the game is out here.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: The game's out here.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Wait for it. Hold up.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Let me ask something. Before we go, we're going to
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: get to break. I didn't expect that we'd talk 20
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: minutes with the Giants, but the Giants are actually giving
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: us quite a bit right now. Like, I feel like
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: we're where the people are. We're not just doing this
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: for ourselves. But you had made a point earlier, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: we talked about this, The Giants had started a black
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: man at quarterback on purpose one time and they fired
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the coach for trying, right? You had fallen for the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Shadua Sanders thing like a lot of other people. And
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you were hoping that the Giants would take him because honestly,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: y'all had never done that before. And then you saw
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that they got Jackson Dart, who I guess my point
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: is every day somebody around Shadua Sanders looks up and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: sees Jackson Dart acting like he's shooting dice and be like, yeah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but what if that was me, huh? What if that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: was me?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Points are made, but with that... Like, that's coming after
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the production. That's coming after the touchdown.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, you're correct.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You're correct. But you know this. You know. Oh, my God.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: He could never. He could never. Oh, my God.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if he was doing half of that stuff?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: He could never.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous. And I would think it was
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: ridiculous if Jackson Dart did this. But I thought the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Chidori thing with the watch was ridiculous and incredibly off-putting.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want anybody 20 years old throwing money in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: my face.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Especially someone who grew up with money.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want that. If people have skepticism, Jackson
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Dart would get a D. He'd have a Richard Mille deal.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: out of that if he was out there. Like, I'm
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: telling you, Shadur over there, like, why he ain't going
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to fifth round?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Huh? Huh? But you know what it really is, though?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Politics, man. Politics! I'll tell you this, though. They really
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: don't want Shadur starting at Cleveland at this point.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And it's funny you bring up, I was mentioning this
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to somebody yesterday after we had the news that Travis
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Hunter was going to be out for the remainder of
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the year. That Colorado run seems so long ago now.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Like it never happened.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Like doesn't it? Like think about it. That Shador, Travis Hunter,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Deion Sanders, Colorado, the top of the news stack every week,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: week in and week out for two straight seasons. Yep.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: That seems like such a long time ago.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is it proves it was really about
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the players. Like Dion was the start, but the coach
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: couldn't sustain it. It was about the players and they
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: got some guys, right? That maybe at some point it
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: could happen. I did see somewhere on the internet with
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: one of them spam accounts to try to make the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: argument about whether or not Colorado might be thinking about
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: firing Dion Sanders. Dion could go win four or five
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: games a year for them for 15 years. And as
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: long as they selling tickets, right? They'll be happy. The
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: only problem is, hey, man, the boy's going to stop going.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But that's the part, too. Like, that's the part, too. Like,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you can sell me in the dream, but we got
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: to start winning some games, too. Like, I can't be
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: out here, you know, coming as a five-star recruit and
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: my stock dropping, you know?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Well, is Deion going to be willing to change the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: way he's done this and, like, the strict transfer thing?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: That's not going to work. Like, you're going to have
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to have some young boys. You know, look, Kersignetti up
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: there at Indiana, he did a super transfer wave, but
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: it was all, like, his guys.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: His own guys, though, right.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, from another place. But, you know, they
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: still got to figure that out. But, hey, coming up next,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: we got some things to get to here. I'm going
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to figure out which one do I want to tease
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the people with. Oh, maybe the funniest Nico Harrison story
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• 24:26
  Speaker 1: with my man, Shannon Penn and Nico Harrison. They finally
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: put him out of his misery. We have recorded a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: show on the hypothetical of Nico getting fired, but we
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: didn't know he was going to get fired between the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: recording and the actual show, which by the way, it
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: was like a three hour span. They announced what time
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: they were going to fire him. They're like, yo, 10
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: o'clock central. He gonna walk in and he gonna get fired.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Like, if you knew that, do you rehearse? Do you, like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: rehearse the firing? Like, look, boom, check this out. Look,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: here's what we're going to do. Look, we getting rid
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of old boy at this time, right? So we're going
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to have him come in, right? You just sit there,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and we're going to act like it's going to be
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a regular meeting. When a dude come in, that's when
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: we drop the buyout one.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I tell you this, though. If I'm Nico, and I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: get that tweet, and I mean, first of all, when
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: they was like, Nico, come in here at 10, he
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: knew what was going on. But number two, and this
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: is the real talk, man. I know how HR stuff go, man.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: You do that at 8 o'clock in the morning. You
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: do that before anybody else come to work. You know
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? You let him come in, and then
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you let him roll out. They would... Do you think
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: they walked him out with security? Because it sounds like,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: this sounds like the sort of thing you do so
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that everybody can see you walk him out.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely what they did. My wife as an HR manager,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: it's absolutely. At one of her jobs, she used to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: bring you into the office, right? And you're getting fired
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: when you're in that meeting. They got somebody else cleaning
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: out your cubicle. They got the boxes, somebody else cleaning
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: out your cubicle. So everybody know, so they walking you out,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they hand you your box so you can take the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: walk of shame on the way out. That's absolutely what
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the Mavericks did.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Now, Ryan's saying 9.30 Eastern is the standard layoff time,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but this wasn't a layoff, okay? They shit-canned him. They
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: had all kinds of ways they could do this. They
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: told the whole world that at 10 o'clock in the morning,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: they was going to fire him. Can you imagine what
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it was like? that day at work everybody in the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: office know and they just in there looking around waiting
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: for it to happen right because there's nothing quite like
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: when something's gone down in the office and nobody can
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: really talk about it but everybody paying attention to it
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: like you remember that time that you was producing steven
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a show and uh to said that max was blacker
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: than him.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was some uncomfortable time.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: We were all in the office that day just like.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like... What are we going to do?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: It felt... Not to say situation, but it felt like
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a booberay when Marcus Graham showed up after he had
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: got kicked to the curb and everybody know it and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: everybody just kind of talking to each other a little
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: bit and then Stephen A would come around the corner
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and you have to straighten your back up because he
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: was so hot. And that's what's going on.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Imagine that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Niko walk in an hour before everybody know it's going
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: down at 10. First of all, if I'm Niko, once
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I read that shit, I'm out. I ain't saying nothing
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to nobody. I'm getting in my car. Y'all gonna have
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to tell me on the phone.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Right. Like, what's the point? Like, what's the point of
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: bringing me in? Look, we already know what it is. Right. Look,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: we got technology. We can do this over FaceTime if
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: you want. Like, I don't need to come in for
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you to tell me what we already know. I ain't
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: gonna lie.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Personally, unless you just really wanted the joy of firing him,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'd rather talk to him on the phone, too, because look, man,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: he didn't do this alone, right? He did not do
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: this alone. There's somebody else.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: But.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Did you see this link when we sent it to you?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Because if you didn't, I can't wait to tell you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: about this.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Okay. Tim Cato used to write for the Athletic, writes for,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you know them websites with no vowels?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Like the Dallas Sports.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, D-L-L-L.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Okay. So this was in his Nico Harrison retrospective,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I suppose we'll call it. This is from the story. Quote,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: One team source recalls a document where Nico Harrison placed
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Drew Holiday within the same tier of talent as Nikola Jokic.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Come on, man. Come on.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I can only come away from this with one conclusion,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: which is, Well, hold on, hold on.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: There's one of two conclusions. It's really one conclusion. It
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: just depends on how specific you want to get with it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Is Nico's problem with white basketball players or with Europeans?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: See, that's the question. See, that was the question. There's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: no way in the world.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Like, this right here is the Tony Banks can play
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: of basketball analysis, right? Drew Holiday, very, very, very good player, right?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: But I said this to a friend of the show,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and the friend of the show was like, well, we
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: don't know how long ago Nico said this. How fucking
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: far along back did you have to go to where
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you thought that Drew Holiday, it wasn't my life. was
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: in charge of the Mavericks that this would be appropriate? Right? Like,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: so maybe on one hand, right, Niko's on the, hey,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I value defense, everything else. Or maybe on
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the other hand, he's like, look, all them, no, no,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: don't want none of them on the team. Maybe that's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: where Niko is, but the second that he put that on,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the second he put that on an actual, factual piece
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of work product, that's when they should have fired him.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Right, right. And my question to you, Bo, is with Niko,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: because obviously, The Luka trade. It comes down to... It's
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a ton of moves that he made that hadn't worked out,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: but it all comes down to the Luka trade. So
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: how much of this getting rid of him now was, hey,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: we're off to a what? 3-8 start. The Lakers off
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to an 8-3 start. Luka went out here and lost weight.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Luka's playing well. Or was it just a combination of both?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: How much of it was Dallas struggling plus... Lakers and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Luka looking great so far.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: They booing him every game.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: They booing him. Think about this. Jerry Jones has never
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: done anything to hurt the people like this.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: So they booing him every game. Anthony Davis showed up
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: looking chubby. Then he got hurt. And remember, the whole
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: thing about Luka was he out of shape and he
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: won't stay home.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: In comes Anthony Davis on his kick. Then they're losing
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: every game. Then, man, once the owner called the fan
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: down in the Dodgers jersey and talked to him, and
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the fan then says that Dumont told him that it
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: was all a mistake. Like, it had to be done.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: There was no way around it. And to be fair
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to Nico, it turned into Murphy's Law immediately. after this
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: trade was made, right? Everything that could possibly go wrong
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: then went wrong. I just want to get some clips
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: of what Nico be saying about the white basketball players
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: when nobody's around. Did they have to make him take
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Cooper flag? You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: like that is the equivalent of if somebody has said
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that like Wes Welker was the same caliber of player
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: as KM Newton.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Or do you remember when people used to try to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: tell us that Wes Welker and Randy Moss, it was
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: kind of insane, right? They just did different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Which one of these is not like the other? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Come on, man.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Like, that's what I feel like when I hear that
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Nico said this. Like, I want to... So, this is documentary,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a very good documentary about Louis Armstrong that I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Sasha Jenkins did, but it was on Apple TV. But anyway,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I had known about this before. But, you know, Louis
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Armstrong would be out there smiling a lot i am
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: trying to avoid saying that he was skinning and grinning
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: but it was a different time so anyway.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I see leaves of green.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Big smile all that stuff right every night he would go.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Home red roses.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But every night louis austral would come home And as
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a journalist of sorts, he would record his thoughts on tape.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: And many of those thoughts were about how much he
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: could not stand white people.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Good gracious.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Now, look, Louis Armstrong at that time, you couldn't really
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: blame him.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Like, you know. But anyway, I need to see the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Nico diary. If he think that Drew Holiday was in
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the same class as Jokic.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: He'd be out there walking around being like they call
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: him Joker. I call him Jokic because he a joke.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That's what he is, a joke.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: What happened to the basketball I knew? What happened to
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the basketball I grew up on?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, imagine if that boy Pods from the Warriors
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: was on the Mavericks. Have you seen... The Warriors, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: did not realize this. Basketball season gets started and I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: kind of pop in and out and the Warriors started
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: off on fire and people were talking about how they
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: were championship contenders and then I look up today and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: they lost six games in a row on the road, right?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So Draymond Green questioned the commitment to winning of the team.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: He said, I think everybody was committed to winning back
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: then and doing it any way possible. Right now, it
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel that way. Anthony Slater of ESPN.com said in
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: his piece that it really sounded like he's talking about Pajemski,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that is his name, the boy Pods for the Warriors,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and Kaminga. But I think he's really just talking about
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the Pods dude. And I learned things about him that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I did not know. First of all, did you know
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that he gave a quote this summer leading up to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the season where he was asked if he was to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: be as great as Steph Curry? And he said he
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: wants to be better than Steph Curry. And then the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: whole locker room was like, word. So he from Milwaukee, right? Okay.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: They're playing the Bucs, did a lot of media because
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of it. And apparently he used to play baseball. And
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that man said that if he played baseball, he would
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: be white Ohtani.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah good luck with them all right.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So he's so he thinks he could be better than
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry he thinks that he could be as good
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: as Otani and what I take from that is wow
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards is incredibly charming because he has basically said
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: all of these things and we find it all delightful
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: when he says it when this pods guy says it
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: we're like man if y'all sit your ass down with
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: this nonsense right like no like We know Anthony Edwards
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: isn't joking, but it kind of feels like he's joking.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: This guy isn't joking at all. And now the guys
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: around him are like, bruh, if you don't chill.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, though, especially with this organization, like
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: we've seen with this organization and more specifically Draymond does
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: to these kind of young whippersnappers. will be out here
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: popping off a little too much. Keep that shit up
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and you're getting annexed to Washington. You know what I'm saying? Okay,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: all right, young fella. Okay. You want to be better
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: than Steph Curry? How's playing in Barclays feel for you?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Brother, they got tired of Clay. And he had to go.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm all one for confidence. Like, I get it. Like,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: to be able to perform at that level, you got
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: to have a certain level of confidence. But also, my boy,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: you got to read the room as well. Like, yo, like,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: that Steph quote, like, I'm all for confidence. But, yo,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you still play with Steph. Like, he's your teammate. You
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: can't do that, my guy. What are we doing? What
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: are we doing?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: That's why we need, like, some old school Michael Jordan
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: magic types. Because that would have, I don't know, maybe
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Steph did it. But that would have been met with
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the most vicious practice of all time.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Not to mention, too, you talk about making a comparison
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to Ant. Ant got skins on the wall. I know
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: no championship yet, but man got all NBAs and things
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: like that. First overall pick. You can say that. You
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: can say that.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Ant isn't averaging 12 points a game.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: That's really what we're saying here. Anthony Edwards is averaging
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: more than 12 points per game.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I do wonder what the war is. Yes, they had
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: success in the postseason getting past the Rockets last year.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I do wonder, though, because the pod thing is a
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: real thing because they need those young guys to step up. Like,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you had all the contract stuff with Kaminga this offseason.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: He re-upped. Like, they need those guys to step up
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: because we know Steph, Draymond, Jimmy, they're long in the tooth.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of basketball miles on those legs. So, like,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: they're going to have to put up with pod and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the podisms and whatever. I'm sure he'll come up with something.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: They got to put up with that because they need
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: them dudes now. You know, like before when they made
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the run before, that was more of a luxury, which
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: is Jordan Pools and that guy's like, like, like Moody.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Like they need those guys now. And I don't, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if, especially looking with the West, if
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that's going to be enough for the Warriors to be
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: what the Warriors were hoping to be. Yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, man, they got a bunch of dudes
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: that are ticking time bombs to get hurt. Jimmy Butler
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: is not going to play a lot of games, right?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Draymond Green. I can't believe he's kept this going as
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: long as he has. Like, I don't think, I mean,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he looked cooked. And in the 2020-2022 finals, he looked
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: cooked in that postseason and then brought it back around
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: just enough where people weren't even, they were like, shoot,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: we don't care. They were playing four on five on offense.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And he has still managed to keep this whole thing together.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: But the thing with DeWest is, it looks to me like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this Lakers thing is, right? Because
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the Lakers, imagine how much Nico got to hate it, man.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Nico is Luca, is Reeves, is La Ravia.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, La Ravia looking good.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Nico would have quit his job before he led that
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: particular team. But I think it's Oklahoma City and the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Nuggets to me are going to be the clear top
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: two teams. And we still have the grand possibility of
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: this is the super leap year for my man Vic.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: See, that's the thing. That's the biggest wild card in
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the league this year. Injuries aside, that's the question. We
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: know the leap is coming. How big of a leap?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Are we going from another all-star leap?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Are we going to all-NBA top three MVP leap? Because
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: if that's the case, like, oh, buddy.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Let's go get a look at these stats, buddy. Because
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I know he's shooting 32% from three, which I don't like. Like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: he's shooting too many of those. But, okay, in 34
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: minutes a game, Victor is giving them 25, 13 boards,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: three and a half assists, four blocks, and a steal.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Four blocks.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Four blocks.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Four blocks, and this NBA is crazy. Four blocks.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Right, where dudes aren't really playing in the paint anymore. Like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: back in the day, like, when you had, you know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the Mutumbos, your Lajuan's, that was more back to the basket.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: You know, guys were driving more. Like, everybody's shooting threes now. So,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: to be able to get four blocks in today's NBA,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that's like equivalent to averaging six or seven blocks back
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: in the day.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is exactly. Those are like LeBanute Cole shot
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: block numbers that he's putting up. Hold on, in 34 minutes. Right, right.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: And, and, and like doing like every night now, like it's, it's,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: it's getting, it's getting to the level now. Cause you
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and I used to always joke, Hey, you see what
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: LeBron did last night?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Every day.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: When we get to that point, like, yo, did you
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: see what when we, you see the crossover and step
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: back and hit on Vucevic? Like, yo, he's doing stuff now. It's,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: It's rare that we can still say in 2025 in
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: this sports world that we're seeing something that we've never
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: seen before. Like, how crazy is that?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And the Spurs seem to like him now. That was
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: a little iffy before. I think a big part of
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it is, if I'm not mistaken, that boy Cisco is hurt.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Cisco is a problem, man. My brother hates Cisco so much, man.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Why don't y'all throw oops every time down the floor? Like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you know how in the video game when you first
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: learn how to throw the oop? And you just do
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it all the time? Why don't you throw the oop
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: every time down the floor?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Like you're playing NBA run and gun. Yeah, yeah. Like
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: every time down the court.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Cisco's played four games this year, but we
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: would be out there watching when Cisco was out there,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and they would just be like, yo, Cisco, why don't
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: you pass the ball? Like, you not, we just call
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you Cisco because of your hair. We don't call you
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Cisco because you the lead singer. Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: See, that's the thing. My boy thought he was, he
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: thought he was blonde-haired Cisco, but he was really platinum Cisco.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Platinum-haired Cisco. Yes, he was.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, he was. Like, my brother would get so mad
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: when he'd be talking about it. He'd be like, yo,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it's Cisco, man. Right. Everybody would be so mad. Now
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: when Victor hit them shots, they coming over to him.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: And the interesting thing to watch here long term with
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the Spurs is because it's the Spurs, I'm inclined to
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: think they'll be patient and let the young guys continue
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: to grow, you know? And whereas if it was another organization,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: you would start having those questions. All right, when is
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: it time to package a couple of these young guys
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to bring in another star with them? Right. I think
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: because it's the Spurs, I think they're cool letting this
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: thing ferment naturally.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's time. I mean, look, to me,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the question they're going to have to ask themselves is
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the question I still ask myself is, like, exactly how
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: good is De'Aaron Fox for business?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Bingo.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Is De'Aaron Fox going to recognize, like, did
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they have a talk with him about how things work here?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing, too. It's like they brought in
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Fox last year. They didn't anticipate that you're going to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: have Castle go out here and play rookie of the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: year at a rookie of the year level. So now
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: you've got Castle. So it's kind of making Fox expendable now.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: So that could, you know, that could be a guy
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: that could eventually be on the move. I just wonder
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: how they play this because it's always been dispersed. who
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: who have handled this or moved a little bit different
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: compared to some of these other teams that was like
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: all right we gotta go out and make a move.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: But the bottom line is this if you stay you
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: just need to know what we do here we give
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: him the ball right like yeah yeah we know what
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you can do we know what you got like ain't
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: nobody saying you're not cold right i don't want you
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: to get this misunderstood but uh that right there that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: is the opening act the headliner And the after party,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that's him.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Hey look, I know how you used to kick it
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: over there at Malibu Prep. Like we get it, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: this is Bel Air Academy. There's only one offense we
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: run on this team. There's only one offense we run.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Don't get this confused. Don't get this confused. By the way,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: have you seen that they tried to change the all-star
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: game again?
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: It's so confusing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So I don't really understand how this is going to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: work this time. But it's going to be, you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: y'all start talking about something on the internet and Adam
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Silver gonna do it, right? Like, I think that has
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: become very clear. And so it's the USA versus the
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: world because everybody got so charged up during the four
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: nations thing. But I think people misunderstand the thing that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: makes the NHL a little bit different is they have
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a pretty even distribution of players from all these different countries.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: So you put something together like that, the we from
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: different countries rivalry thing, I feel like it's a little different.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? They have one where You
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: got to have 16 American players, eight international players. But
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: if it's more than eight international players or you don't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: have up to the 16 NBA or American players, you
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: add more like they have to do things to make
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: sure that everybody gets to the minimum number. And then
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: it's some round robin shit that I don't really understand.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: But my thing is, hey, man. The American players don't
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: care about it like that. And I don't think that
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: you're going to get solidarity just.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Of the world.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: On the other side.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: You were there. You were on the right path, but
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you didn't go in the right house. You were on
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the right block, but you didn't go in the right house.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: If you want to do U.S. versus the world, just
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: make it U.S. versus the world, two teams. Let that
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: be it. It don't even have to be on this
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: country pride stuff, but I think you would evenly distribute
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: the teams between the U.S., in American players. That's the
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: intrigue right there. Let me see the U S versus
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the world. It didn't need to be this round Robin
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: can try three team thing. It don't need to be
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: all that. Just give us U S versus the world.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: That's it. Or if you want to make it North
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: America versus the world, whatever you want to, whatever you
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: want to do, but like this three team, that's too,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Three teams, round robin, four games, championship, 12 minutes. That's
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: way too much. That's way too much thinking. Just let
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: me know who's suiting up on this side, who's suiting
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: up on that side, and let's rob. Way too confusing.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I had not thought about the fact that the world
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: get Canada.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: See, that's why I had slipped in that maybe it
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: needed to be North America versus the world.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, man. America in
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: trouble in this game.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: So the other team going to have Jokic, Luka, Giannis, Shea,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and Victor?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: And Wemby. Yes.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: What?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: What team do you guys try now? We got the Avengers.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: What are we getting? Iron Man and Captain America? Can
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: we recruit the Hulk? What's going on?
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Brother, America barely beat Serbia at the Olympics. We barely
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: beat France at the Olympics. Now we going to let
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: them all get together?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, hey. We ain't even started talking about, like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Laurie Markkinen, right? Add a little Vucevic to the equation.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Like, there's some co-international players, but that's the thing. It's like,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: if you want to capitalize on that, like, that's cool,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: but you can't make it as contrived as it is.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: And I think, too, a couple of factors why the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: All-Star game lost some of its lust. Obviously, the whole
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: trying to make players care. Like, that's the thing. But
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I think, and it's similar to... My thought is similar
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: to baseball in the All-Star Game as well. Before interleague play,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the only time you got to see these guys playing
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: was in the All-Star Game or the World Series. But
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: then with the NBA, now that everybody got league pass,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: we're seeing everybody all the time. Whereas before... For folks
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: who didn't grow up with cable or you would occasionally
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: see the one nationally broadcast game, that might be your
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: only time to see the Jazz or see whomever. Now
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: we see all these dudes all the time. So the
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: novelty of seeing these dudes that one or two times
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: a year or playing together, that's gone. Plus, these dudes
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: move around so much anyway before... Like, the only time
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: you would see a Maloney Stockton play with Olajuwon was
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: an all-star team. But now, these dudes are already playing
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: together anyway, so that novelty is gone, and the overall
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: competitiveness is not there because these dudes don't really care.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I think we just need to drop one, like, Tyler
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Hansbro type dude in there who can't turn it off
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: and who just really cares all the time. Like, you
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: remember that time that D-Wade broke Kobe's nose? In the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: All-Star game? Like, you drop a Kobe into the game.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: You're going to. I told you.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Or think about that Dallas All-Star game when they played
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: it at Jerry's World. Like, you had, like, LeBron came down, LeBron,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and Kobe defending LeBron. And Kobe, like, shoot it. Shoot, like,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I'm D-ing you up. That's what the people want to see. Right.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: But I'll say this to be fair. It was only
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: a couple years ago with that whatever kind of ending
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: they call it. I forget the name of it. Um,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: but it worked and it led to a competitive game
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: at the end. Like it can happen. I don't know
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: what exactly it comes to, but if you just drop
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: one maniac in here that no matter like somebody who
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: going to be the one to hard file in the
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: all-star game, you know what I'm saying? One maniac is
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: all we need. You tell me there's not one maniac.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And they quasi tried to do this last year when
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: they had like the G League All-Stars in there as
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: well because it's like, hey, we need to have some
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: humble dudes willing to fight. The only problem is the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: general public, they don't care about them dudes. Like we
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: don't know them dudes. We don't care about them dudes.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Like you tried. No, you got to give us the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: dudes we care about and you got to make it
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: seem like they care.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean. basketball is not fun without defense
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: right and look that was the pro bowl problem when
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: they and see the nfl had this option once they
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: realized that the dudes not only did not care it
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: was stupid for them to care right then they just
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: turn it into flag football There is no version of
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that that you can do with basketball. Like, how can
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you just turn this into something fun, right? Because the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: centerpiece of All-Star Weekend has been, for history, the slam
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: dunk contest. And now... It just, it can't sustain us anymore, right? Like,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: it's not possible to do enough to keep our interest.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And then nobody wants to participate because everybody's afraid of
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: getting embarrassed.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. It's like, previously, it was pride on, hey,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I'm the best dunker in the league, or I'm the
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: best shooter in the league here. Here's how... here's how
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I prove how. And to your point about nobody wants
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: to get embarrassed, because the ultimate answer to all of
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: this would be a one-on-one tournament. Like, that's the ultimate.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: But dudes aren't going to want to go out here
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: and play a knockout game or whatever because they're too
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: scared to get embarrassed. Like, if we got back to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: the essential part of the competitiveness of, yo, I'm going
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to have to whoop your ass. Let's do it. Dudes
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: would be up for that. The crowd would be into it.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: You give us a one-on-one, it was dudes actually cared
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Like, that's all the intrigue you need.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And keep it game to five, right? Make it intense.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Go get that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: It was funny. I was listening to a KG tell
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a story about when he was with the Celtics and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Austin Rivers was what? A junior high school in practice.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: And before practice came in, he was playing one-on-one with
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Paul Pierce because that's how Paul Pierce liked to warm up.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: and the amount of shit talking that a 16-year-old Austin
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Rivers was doing to these NBA players. So he beat
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Paul Pierce, then he beat Perkins, and then he threw
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: the ball at... He rolled the ball over to KG
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and was like, check up. And KG was like... What
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: you talking about check up? He was like, he threw
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: it back to him. Like, check up. So KG was like, yo,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: this little 16-year-old boy, I don't want to have to
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: unleash the dragon on him. So he dunked on KG
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and then started screaming. It was like, check up. KG
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: was like, man, I had to tie up my shoes
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: and unleash the dragon on that boy and beat him 5-1. Like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: that's the level of competitiveness that we need in the
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: All-Star game where these dudes are willing to play the
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: one-on-one and it actually matters. Because that's when their pride
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: is on the line.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: First of all, that explains a lot of Austin Rivers.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Just so you guys, the totality of the Austin Rivers
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: story is right there. Because I also think that it's
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: been far enough removed from the time where people don't
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: realize that that was supposed to be the guy. He
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: was a gigantic deal coming out of high school. I
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: also have to tell you, I saw on the internet
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Brian Shaw telling a story and I've seen clips of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: this podcast go around for a long time, so this
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: is not new. But he talked about when he got
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: to the Celtics and He had assumed that how good
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: could Larry Bird actually be? And he said that Larry
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Bird challenged him and Reggie Lewis to a game of
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: one on two to seven. But he gets the ball first.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: And Shaw said that he and Reggie Lewis won, but
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: only because Bird missed a point game at 6-0.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: My God.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: He said he was eating their asses off.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: And talking to them the whole way.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: He said he and McHale would be coming down every
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: game talking cash and.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Being like, ooh, those are bad white boys. Those are
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: bad white boys. I can't imagine the satisfaction that Larry
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Bird had to take every time down the floor doing this.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And McHale, now that we know his get-down a little
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: bit better over the last few years, he's loving it. And,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you know, they said he was musty, too. He was
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: loving every minute of it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine a prime Bird being like an 88,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: you know, 87, 86, 87 Bird playing a one-on-one at
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: an all-star weekend, game to five? Like, come on.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: You just gotta hope.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: He'll probably do it. Like, if he get ball first,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I think he does it. If I can get ball first,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: He gets ball first, man. The only... How, like... How
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: late would Michael Jordan keep everybody there if he lost?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Three out of five on.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: It. Look, real men play four out of seven. Seven
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: out of ten. Seven out of ten. What's up?
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: We're not leaving, right? They be like, hey, Mike, man,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the broadcast is over, dog. Saturday Night Live just came on, man.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: You ain't trying to go to the club? Mike being
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: there just mad.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Like, hold up. Amar Rashad here. We got somebody who
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: can call the game. Tell him, Amar. Tell him. No, man.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: It was somebody. I just don't know how you make
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: them care. And that's going to be the question. And
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: you can't. The way you might be able to make
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: them care is if you did it by age. But
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: you have to be very careful how you go about that. Like,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: we see what happens to rookie sophomore or how that went.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if they still use that format,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: but the rookies get destroyed. Every year, because there's such
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: just such a giant difference. But yeah, you what is
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: what is the what is the inflection point or what
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: is the line?
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: That you divide and you got heat on both sides.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: And also, you got to be careful with that USA
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: versus the world, because if the world team don't look
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: enough like the USA team, if you know what I mean,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you're going to have audiences cheering against America. You feel me? Like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I guess it'll be different if you got Giannis and Shea.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: But if you get out there with Jokic and Dodgich
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: and Laurie Markkinen, you know, that boy Pod's probably bringing
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: this 23 and me to try to get on the team.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? They going to be rooting
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: against America, dog. Like, I was proud of America during
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: 2024 because I thought America was going to root for Serbia,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: but y'all didn't do that. Good job.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Hey, look, they might be rooting against America, but at
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: least they're rooting. At least they're watching. That is fair. Hey,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: we got to do something.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: That is fair.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Hey, we got to find a way.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Amen.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: And if we've learned everything over the course of these
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: last several years, it's easy to find a rooting interest
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: when it comes to those things.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: That is fair. I'll also tell you this. If you
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: want to find a way to get somebody to care,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: we need to get Victor and Chet out there on
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: opposite teams. You're going to see some carrying in.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely. What was it? Because I always get
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: it mixed up. It was one that was motivated because
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: the other one was putting up numbers. I'm not sure.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: They got beef going back to high school.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Legit beat, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to think
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: about it, too. It's comparable for me as a wrestling fan.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: It's the Andre the Giant, Big John Stutt thing between
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: the two of them. It's like Andre the Giant always
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: hated Big John Stutt because Big John Stutt was a
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: big man. And Andre the Giant was like, I'm the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: only big man in this game. And it's like, think
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: about it. If you're Chet or you're Wemmy and you've
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: always been the biggest dude, but yet there's another dude
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: who's also known on that side of town as the
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: big dude.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh, uh-uh. The big dude who does little dude things. Like,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: think about, like, what an amazing concept. Chet was to
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: us when we found out about him in high school
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and then he's coming into college. Like, it was the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: idea of Chet was amazing. Chet's not this. No, no.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Like, it's like Chet supersized. Yes. I don't know if
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Wendy's still doing a Biggie meal, but that's what it is.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Wendy is Chet Biggie size.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Except he's Biggie size, but it also, like... it's
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: like instead of coming with fries, it come with like
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: gourmet shiitake mushrooms.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: It's the handles that are like, what are you doing here?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: It's different. It's different. It's different. And I think at
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: least with Wemby, people at least being patient to enjoy
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: it in real time. Yes. Because far too often when
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: we see glimpses of young players, it's like, just imagine
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: what he's going to be in four to five years. Like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: enjoy it now because we know special dudes that size.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I know. And the injury history that these guys have,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not putting them on the same plane,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: but think about, you know, Porzingis and the things that
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: he was able to do at 7'3, or whomever. Like, hey,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: just let this play out. Like, enjoy it while we
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: got it right now.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Think of how crazy it is, how much colder he
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: is than Porzingis.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Right. Right, right. Think about it. You're Porzingis. I'm 7'3,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm playing up against this dude. I'm looking up
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: at him.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: It's not just that he's blocking they shots, man. He
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: is pitching they shots.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right. There's a level of aggressiveness, too, that
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: he's playing. Like, that, hey, we cool. Now, that's out
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the window. Like, it's a switch with Wemby, too. Like,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: he ain't all the way there yet, but you can, like,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: that switch is turned on where it's like, all right, like, there's,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: This different. Like, this different.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: What?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Like, he playing like those, like, he playing from those
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: parts of Paris that ain't near the Eiffel Tower.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Like, he from those other, he playing like he from
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: them other parts.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: You, uh, Nico would be cool with him, though, right?
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: He do play defense. There we go. Like, there we go. Like,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, I want to get a running list of
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: all the players that Nico is like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because, look,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: this is the thing about it, and it's because we
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: as a people are a little bit more powerless, but
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: It is hilarious. Like the black dude that just hates
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: white people is always hysterical because it comes up in
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: all these different weird ways. And we're like, we laugh
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: at our people under these circumstances because they're generally harmless. Nico,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: if this if these two pieces of data that we
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: have received about him are indicative of a trade. is
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the rare one to actually get some power to be
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: able to do something about this and what did he
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: do about it got his old black ass fired that's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: what he did.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Look, he stood on business. I don't think it was
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: the right business, but he stood on something.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Look, if his thing was, Luka don't work hard enough,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: this isn't the culture I want to build, I got it, man.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: And he was willing to go down with the shift. Like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: there's something that I get to that. But then I
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: saw what he said about Jokic, and I was just like, oh, no,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you're just, you might be that guy.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: What's the line you use? I'm inclined to think you
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: were haters?
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. I want to know when he wrote that down
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, what did everybody else say
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: when they saw that?
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: They were looking at the phone. Like, what's the Jeff
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Teague meme where they look at the phone?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, that's when, if this was a locker room,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: that's when you lose the locker room.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Did you hear what he just said?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: The same.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Like, he ain't serious, is he? Like, that's the thing, too. Like,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: when you can't tell if somebody's serious or not, he's like, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, yo,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: get you dropped. Like, wait a minute. You serious? Like,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: you crazy.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Except he's not funny. So, like, Ghostface Killer, the great
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: example of, I can't tell if this is a joke.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm allowed to laugh. Right? This
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: is a different personality type with similar lunacy.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, what a time, what a time. Shannon Pinn, check
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: him out. Afternoons, ESPN Radio, Freddie and Harry. By the way,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: it is always funny watching Harry tweet about doing Falcons
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: games as they are going because he still does that.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: But see, that's the thing. At least with Harry, like, see,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I know you got off that narcotic, but he can't though.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I know. He grew up with him and he played
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: He can't get off their narcotic. Each and every week,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Mass Monday, see what Mass Erica put up. Each and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: every Sunday, Falcons are known to let him on down. Yeah, man.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: And Pinnock's is not doing the job for him. Right.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: And, like, I hope... Look, Raheem, we're praying for you,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: my boy. Yeah. We're praying for you, my boy.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Dog, it's all... They got brothers all over the place there.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: They're quarterback, the coach, the general manager, and.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. They trying their hardest, my brother. I appreciate you.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:01:46
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