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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, March 12 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jeffu wars, Did you don't Jack black Warris? Did you
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time? Ryan Sex steps th Jano says it
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Speaker 1: actually Jaguars Drive Time starts right now. Al Right, here
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Speaker 1: we go on a Tuesday mornings c I a a
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Speaker 1: bank field with the sun rising, guys, adjusted to the
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Speaker 1: time change, and I wake up in a dark house.
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Speaker 1: Still I'm still trying to adjust my seat. Are you
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Speaker 1: comfortable now? I'm not. He always is really for out.
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Speaker 1: At the beginning of the show. No one sees it
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Speaker 1: because they showed the bridge, but he's always moving in.
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Speaker 1: No one sees it because I evoked a sense of calm. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's it. Welcome Did Jacks Drive Time? Me and these
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Speaker 1: two here? I have to separate you guys wait too
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Speaker 1: much time together lately. Yeah. Right, So let's start off
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Speaker 1: with a statement and then we'll get into big things.
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Speaker 1: The reports are, and we say reports are because the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars have and cannot make any indication of what they
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Speaker 1: have done. But the reports are they have agreed to
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Speaker 1: terms with Nick Foles, which is no surprise considering we've
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Speaker 1: been talking about that name since January. But the reports
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Speaker 1: are it's a deal in excess and the numbers are
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Speaker 1: what they are, but eighty eight million dollars with a
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Speaker 1: chance with incentives to hit two million dollars. Let's just
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Speaker 1: get right into this with big things, because we'll steal it.
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Speaker 1: We'll steal big thing in one away, which is this
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Speaker 1: conversation Big thing One is that this is a pretty
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Speaker 1: big deal bringing Folds, And if the reports are true,
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Speaker 1: isn't the search of consistency for the coaching staff? And
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Speaker 1: that seems to be what Foals is. There was a
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Speaker 1: story guys in the ticket office a few days ago
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people are calling in about their
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Speaker 1: season ticket nules in they won't renew their tickets unless
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Speaker 1: Folds is here. If this seems to be true, you
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Speaker 1: can call back say Folds is your guy. It brings
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Speaker 1: excitement to Jacksonville. Everyone is talking about Jacksonville this morning.
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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. You know. There's that old saying
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Speaker 1: in the NFL that the backup quarterback is the most
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Speaker 1: he's the favorite of most people. And in this case,
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Speaker 1: the Eagle's backup appears to be a favorite. And I
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Speaker 1: can echo the sentiment. I spoke to the Downtown Rotary
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Speaker 1: Club yesterday and every question that I got was Nick Foles,
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Speaker 1: nick Foles, Nickpoles and nick Foles. So the reality of
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Speaker 1: it is, these people are excited about this move. Um,
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Speaker 1: you're generally excitable. God, you've seen kind of them this morning.
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Speaker 1: Um there's upside. There's certainly downside with this one. But
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Speaker 1: it's a move the Jaguars felt they had to make.
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Speaker 1: If indeed, we'd say again they made it. The reports
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Speaker 1: are that they have. It's it's a tricky thing. I
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Speaker 1: almost get the idea, and my inbox tends to be
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Speaker 1: full of people who have really picked everything apart already.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of people who are emailing me about
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Speaker 1: it are very upset because I think they've dug a
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Speaker 1: little too deep into the what ifs and the numbers
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Speaker 1: and and and they're mad because they overpaid. And I
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Speaker 1: get that from a micro point of view. From a
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Speaker 1: macro point of view, the big issue is maybe you
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Speaker 1: were paid him by a few million dollars here. I
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Speaker 1: I don't know, because I wasn't in the the negotiations. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what it was actually gonna take to get
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Speaker 1: nick Fole. I know what everybody thought it was gonna take,
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Speaker 1: but I know it is actually gonna take to get him. Um,
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Speaker 1: does he make you better? If if he makes you
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Speaker 1: better and makes you a playoff team, then this is
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Speaker 1: a bargain so to me. If he doesn't, then it's
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Speaker 1: an awful deal. So to me, the question of where
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Speaker 1: he makes you better? And everyone looks, you know, at
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Speaker 1: a macro, but look at the micro. How much better
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Speaker 1: does he make a young receiver like d D. Westbrook?
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Speaker 1: He's a much more precise pastor than Blake Bortles was. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he's a guy. How much better does he make the
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Speaker 1: running game because of the threat of the past, because
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Speaker 1: a consistent performer, Because if you listen to the national
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Speaker 1: media and you talked to a lot of them too,
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Speaker 1: consistency is what this guy is supposed to bring you,
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Speaker 1: a consistent presence at quarterback. How much better does he
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Speaker 1: make the defense with his ability to sustain drives and
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Speaker 1: convert on third down? Better? Yeah? I mean because if
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Speaker 1: it's not, then again, this is an awful move if
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Speaker 1: you're not in the playoffs, because this is what it's
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Speaker 1: all about. But uh, it's also a necessary move and
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's awful in terms of Uh, if
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Speaker 1: if you make the playoffs, you should have done it.
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Speaker 1: But that's going to be the barometer they feel like
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Speaker 1: they're a contending team. If if they didn't feel like
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Speaker 1: they were a containing team cable going to the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: then you wouldn't do this. You would wait and you
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Speaker 1: would take a quarterback in the first round. So this
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Speaker 1: is a when now when lunch move they made its
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Speaker 1: exactly that's on her, which put just hitching the wagon.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm gonna have to separate you to um.
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Speaker 1: The decision was made that they were going forward, not backward.
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Speaker 1: In other words, they were not going to take a
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Speaker 1: step and go with the rookie quarterback. They were not
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Speaker 1: going to let Calais and Marcel and some of these
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Speaker 1: higher price guys go on defense and work towards one.
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Speaker 1: They were going to put this thing back, put the
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Speaker 1: wheels back on it, hopefully stay healthy, add some players,
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Speaker 1: and go forward, which is what we knew Tom Coughlin
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Speaker 1: was gonna do. Doug Moron would want to do that.
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Speaker 1: That's what coaches want. They think about now, gms have
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Speaker 1: to think about the future. This move was made when
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Speaker 1: they decided to keep those guys and keep them together.
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Speaker 1: So you're right, if they don't make the playoffs this year.
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Speaker 1: This seems like a terrible decision. Last year people were
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Speaker 1: saying that the Blake Bartle's decision was a terrible decision.
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Speaker 1: There's risk to it, there's plenty of risk, but it's
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Speaker 1: a necessary risk if they're doing if they're trying to
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Speaker 1: do what they wanted. It's a necessary risk if if
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Speaker 1: you want to win now, it's also a risk. Mean,
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Speaker 1: we watched all these tapes on fold and you see
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Speaker 1: that he's clutch in the playoffs. He plays best in
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. But you got to get there, and that's
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Speaker 1: everyone's obstacle is how is he going to play in
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Speaker 1: the regular season to even gets you to that point? Well,
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Speaker 1: remember he was a starter in two had a big
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Speaker 1: year with Chip Kelly Um and then became a free agent,
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Speaker 1: didn't do much in St. Louis, was thinking about leaving football,
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Speaker 1: went to Kansas City, didn't do much there. Um signed
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Speaker 1: on with the Eagles as a backup, making four million
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Speaker 1: bucks a year, and now all of a sudden, is
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Speaker 1: a paid day. The last two years he has made
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Speaker 1: a total of sixteen million dollars. Right, heavily incentivized deal.
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Speaker 1: Uh and now he's going for roughly two. You just
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Speaker 1: equal it out, which brings me to an important point,
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Speaker 1: which is, I'm sorry, which is still the middle of
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Speaker 1: the pack for quarterbacks. It's it's not like this guy
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Speaker 1: got Aaron Ryder's money, cousins money. And I saw a
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Speaker 1: good point on Twitter, which it's rare, but I did
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Speaker 1: see a good point made on Twitter. And if I
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Speaker 1: get who made it that In terms of if you
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Speaker 1: compare this contract to last year's numbers, it's huge. If
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Speaker 1: you fitted in with percentage of what the cap is,
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Speaker 1: it's probably a little more in line with what Blake
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Speaker 1: actually got. I mean, I'm saying it's that low, but
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Speaker 1: it's still the cap has gone way way up. You're
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Speaker 1: seeing again monopoly money numbers and free agencies. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know that it's as astronomical as the initial shock
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Speaker 1: of seeing it makes it seems. I interrupted you. Well, no,
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Speaker 1: I was gonna, says. The only people who have seen
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Speaker 1: the contract would be the agent, the quarterback, and and
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Speaker 1: obviously they've called well and Tom Calf's gonna guarantee of
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Speaker 1: falsong because he had it on as all, and absolutely
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Speaker 1: that's a dance. Mine would be more ridiculous than that
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Speaker 1: with those kind of numbers. But I tend to look
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Speaker 1: at free agent deals through a three year lens. Right,
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Speaker 1: how much guaranteed money goes in the first three years
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Speaker 1: of the deal. And if the number fifty million is accurate,
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Speaker 1: is this a three year, fifty million dollar deal. If
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Speaker 1: it is, then it's more in line with with what
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Speaker 1: a Boordle's got. Um If it's not. If it's two
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Speaker 1: years and forty six, which is the number that I
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Speaker 1: think we were talking about before, which you have seen,
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Speaker 1: you know, then it's it's a really pricey deal compared
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Speaker 1: to Blake. It's a move up. I want to see
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Speaker 1: how it's structured because that's gonna tell us how these
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Speaker 1: guys are playing when Blake goes, and and that's been
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Speaker 1: reported as well, and I think all of us expected
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Speaker 1: when full of science he'll go. They'll have thirty three
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Speaker 1: million dollars in cap room. You figure roughly ten of
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Speaker 1: that has to go to signing your draft class. So
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Speaker 1: now you have twenty three million dollars in cap room.
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Speaker 1: You need some money to function, right, six seven million
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Speaker 1: bucks for guys who get injured and practice squad and
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So they're going to be very tight.
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Speaker 1: People are gonna say, well, what's he gonna throw too?
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Speaker 1: Now they don't have the money and toys gonna he's
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Speaker 1: gonna throw it to what they believe are going to
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Speaker 1: be improved wide receivers, and they're gonna throw the tight
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Speaker 1: ends in the draft. Okay, well there's that's the plan
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Speaker 1: at least. If you're thinking, what else do the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: bring in, the answer is not much because there is
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Speaker 1: no room now. Depending on what they could restructure a
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Speaker 1: player or two, they could create some room, but there's
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Speaker 1: not a lot out there, and there's not a lot
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Speaker 1: of players, um that you can restruct to create a
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Speaker 1: ton of cap room this year. You don't want to
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Speaker 1: do that. It looks like I could see a scenario
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Speaker 1: where full obviously Folds is the big free agent signing,
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Speaker 1: but I could see a scenario where the rest of
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Speaker 1: the offense in in these holes we're talking about. Are
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Speaker 1: draft right side of the offensive line in the first
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Speaker 1: three rounds, draft offensive line in the first three rounds,
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Speaker 1: meaning to draft tight end in the first three rounds,
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Speaker 1: and your backup running back, your one edition is a veteran,
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Speaker 1: very very very low priced older veteran. You keepen here
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Speaker 1: about Adrian Peterson. He didn't make very much in Washington
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Speaker 1: last year. A guy of that age and experience level
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Speaker 1: would make sense in the room with for net Uh.
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Speaker 1: But I could see very very mid level to even
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Speaker 1: low level free agent running back. Let's reset, because we're
9:53
Speaker 1: running right through all of our big things, checking all
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Speaker 1: the boxes. Thing too is making room at four year,
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Speaker 1: eight million dollar deal with a hundred and two million
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Speaker 1: in incentives, with the million guaranteed that had to come
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Speaker 1: from somewhere. Those were those cuts on Friday from those
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Speaker 1: five players we saw. We believe that boardles is to
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Speaker 1: be cut like it's reported when full signs. So yes,
10:14
Speaker 1: you made room, you made room for fulls. But like
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Speaker 1: we talked about, there isn't much room left. No, there's not.
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Speaker 1: And so I was looking at it through the spot track,
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Speaker 1: and you can see right there that you're the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: with about twenty eight point three. That doesn't count like
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Speaker 1: Boardles leaving. That gives him the thirty two thirty three
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Speaker 1: roughly that we were just talking about. Ten out for
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Speaker 1: the rookies gives you twenty three. You figure Nick is
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Speaker 1: getting somewhere between eighteen and twenty two million, which leaves
10:41
Speaker 1: you the room that you need to be able to
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Speaker 1: function through the course of the year. So there really
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Speaker 1: is no money to go out and sign. Now. That
10:48
Speaker 1: brings us to a point, and I have been on
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Speaker 1: the record forever saying this, UM, don't push money out.
10:54
Speaker 1: People who have followed the Jaguars for a long time,
10:57
Speaker 1: remember when that was the Jaguars standard operating procedure. Convert salary, designing, bonus,
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Speaker 1: amor tyser push it out into future years and then
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Speaker 1: worry about those consequences at some later date. And the
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Speaker 1: only way you can do that, By the way, let
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Speaker 1: me just finish the start. Calais Campbell and a J
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Speaker 1: boy give you between fifteen and twenty million dollars of
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Speaker 1: conversion from salary to signing, bonus and amortization. You can
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Speaker 1: create more cap room if you want. UM. I got
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Speaker 1: a lot of emails this time of year from people
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Speaker 1: who remember that, uh, and they should. It was a
11:33
Speaker 1: it was a disastrous time for the franchise, and a
11:37
Speaker 1: lot of the emails start off with a what's Tom
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Speaker 1: Coughlan doing. He's putting us in the same kind of
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Speaker 1: cat misery that he did in two thousand. Uh. This
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Speaker 1: is gonna haunt us for years. That's a fair fear,
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Speaker 1: because what happened in two thousand, two thousand one, that
11:53
Speaker 1: era haunted them for years and years. That only happens
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Speaker 1: if you push it out. If you don't push it out,
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Speaker 1: which most teams now don't push it out. The Jaguars
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Speaker 1: have made these contracts in recent years. They were designed
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Speaker 1: with a day like Friday in mind to ensure that
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't push it out, to ensure that you could
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Speaker 1: get out of them. The only way it haunts you
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Speaker 1: for a decade for years that people are talking about
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Speaker 1: is if you push it out. If if you make
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Speaker 1: the decisions you made on Friday, then it's a quick However,
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Speaker 1: the reason they were able to write those kinds of
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Speaker 1: deals was because they had the cap room to absorb
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Speaker 1: a big hit. In year one, they took on a
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Speaker 1: lot of that signing bonus that used to be pro
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Speaker 1: rated and pressed out. You know, they took a big
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Speaker 1: bite of the apple with Malik in the first year.
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Speaker 1: So but now against the cap you can't afford to
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Speaker 1: do it. Last year when they signed Andrew Norwell, they
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Speaker 1: took three million dollars and put it out in each
12:52
Speaker 1: of the five years of his contracts. So they took
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Speaker 1: fifteen million and pushed it into the future. Well, if
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Speaker 1: they had signed it two or three years earlier, they
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Speaker 1: would have taken all of that bite in that given year,
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Speaker 1: because then you don't have to worry about the future years.
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Speaker 1: I think the perception that guy like Norwell is he's
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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a safer Okay, we could
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Speaker 1: see this guy being but he's the first guy that
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Speaker 1: this that Dave Coldwell has done that with because they
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Speaker 1: had the cat flexibility over the last couple of years
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Speaker 1: to not have to push the money out. And that's
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Speaker 1: why you're right, Folds. His contract be fascinating to say
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Speaker 1: how long it affects them for see, I think it's
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Speaker 1: got to be at least three years. I mean he's
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Speaker 1: thirty years old. You don't have it. I said this earlier.
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Speaker 1: It's not like your Sonning and he's not a quarterback,
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Speaker 1: but Terrell Suggs, I mean he's a sixteen year guy.
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Speaker 1: You can't. You're not doing that with this guy. Sixteen
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Speaker 1: You guys you know they're here for a year. This
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Speaker 1: is a guy you're thinking could be here for three
13:45
Speaker 1: or four years. You hope that he's good enough that
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Speaker 1: for three or four years he's a guy that you
13:50
Speaker 1: can count better. And yeah, this is um I'm curious, Brian,
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Speaker 1: you've been around again. I missed ten years, so I
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Speaker 1: don't have every impact moment. I I would say Calais
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Speaker 1: is the closest thing to this signing and this Dorset
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Speaker 1: because it's quarterback. There's nothing like this. At the time
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Speaker 1: they signed Calais, they didn't know they were getting an
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Speaker 1: All Pro. They thought they were getting a good football player.
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Speaker 1: They hoped he'd be a Pro Bowl anyone in the
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Speaker 1: quarterback so it's a different story. So this is the
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Speaker 1: biggest free agent signing in franchise history right there. It
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Speaker 1: isn't even close. I mean, the only thing I can
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Speaker 1: remember creating this much buzz was when they traded third
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Speaker 1: and fifth round picks in for Mark Brunel, and at
14:34
Speaker 1: that point no one knew Mark. Mark was the third
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Speaker 1: quarterback behind bred Farvan Tidette Mark in Green Bay. This
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Speaker 1: is the biggest single signing in franchise history. It's interesting
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Speaker 1: what quarterback means. We all know what quarterback means, but Folds,
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Speaker 1: if you look at the lists, probably isn't the number
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Speaker 1: one free agent available, number quarterback for agent available probably
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Speaker 1: and the number one free Asian available Malik if you remember,
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Speaker 1: was the he was the consensus number one free agent available.
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Speaker 1: But it's quarterbacks. So it's bigger, dramatically bigger. And add
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Speaker 1: end that you're getting a guy who is known for
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Speaker 1: Philly Special and the Super Bowl m VP and hoisting
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Speaker 1: that trophy. This there, it's not close. This is the
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Speaker 1: biggest single one day signing in franchise history, which brings
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Speaker 1: us to a very critical point in Big three. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he's absolutely a househole name at this point, so much
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Speaker 1: so that my mother even knew who he was, who
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Speaker 1: never watches football. Roses. On top of it, Big thing
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Speaker 1: three is the draft. Now that you reportedly have holes
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Speaker 1: in the building, you need to address the lack of
15:35
Speaker 1: weapons to make this guy successful, one of them being
15:38
Speaker 1: you want to protect that guy that you're not paying
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Speaker 1: two million dollars a year for lack of weapons. I
15:42
Speaker 1: mean going and drafting maybe DK Metcalf the wide receiver,
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Speaker 1: getting tight ends offensive line. It's just an option, John.
15:49
Speaker 1: Big picture, you now must hit on your draft picks.
15:53
Speaker 1: You have to draft because they play on rookie contracts.
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Speaker 1: At fixed numbers that are inigible. You have to hit
16:02
Speaker 1: on the picks. The pressure is now ratcheted up. And
16:06
Speaker 1: keep in mind you bring up dk Metcalf rookie receivers
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Speaker 1: is John has pointed out, it takes him a couple
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Speaker 1: of years. Right. You have to go back to Odell
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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Who had ninety one catches and yards and
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Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns as a rookie, to find an impact rookie receiver, right,
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Speaker 1: and he's rare tight ends? Gosh, I mean you have
16:25
Speaker 1: to go way way back to find a guy that.
16:28
Speaker 1: I mean. I get a Dallas Goddard made an impact
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Speaker 1: last year and he was a second round pick, but
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Speaker 1: first round picks at tight end, the history is not
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Speaker 1: good in terms of first year and I guess John,
16:39
Speaker 1: that's my big point with this draft is you're not
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Speaker 1: drafting for one year. You're drafting these guys looking at
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Speaker 1: your future. But the thing is when you bring in
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles tight against the cap with not a ton
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Speaker 1: of weapons on this side, now everyone's looking at guys
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Speaker 1: that you need to bring in to have a first
16:54
Speaker 1: year impact. I think the best chance of predicting the
16:58
Speaker 1: draft correctly for this team is to predict offensive line
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Speaker 1: in the first round, tight end in the second roundly,
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Speaker 1: and then Uh, what I'm curious about is what they
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Speaker 1: do at tight end. I think they have to bring
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Speaker 1: into to get better, and there will be tight ends
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Speaker 1: in the second and third round can help. Do you
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Speaker 1: bring in two in the draft? Do you you know
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Speaker 1: which would really be? Uh? You know you talk about
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Speaker 1: all in on a position, or do you go after
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Speaker 1: a Mercedes Lewis level guy. I'm not saying Mercedes comes back,
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Speaker 1: but a a older veteran at that spot. Their in
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Speaker 1: position where they can't do anything they want and that's
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Speaker 1: the first time they've been bucks. Do you have that
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Speaker 1: right well for for a level guy like that, I
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Speaker 1: think you could make room for one at at the three.
17:48
Speaker 1: You know you can push out a little bit without
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Speaker 1: getting again, I know you have ninety nine scar or uh,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have some dead money every year when the
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Speaker 1: cap is million, you're gonna have a little bit. If
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Speaker 1: you have five percent of your cap and dead money,
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Speaker 1: you're a pretty good spot. You just can't do with
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Speaker 1: all twenty two guys like they were doing at that point.
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Speaker 1: Keep in mind they've got sixteen and a half million
18:08
Speaker 1: and dead money this year for Blake, So that's really
18:11
Speaker 1: tightening up what they can do. Um, I would be
18:15
Speaker 1: surprised if it's not all offense in the first three
18:19
Speaker 1: rounds with offensive line first, and I think it's gonna
18:22
Speaker 1: be too offensive lineman in a tight end in the
18:24
Speaker 1: first three I'm with you. I just want to set
18:25
Speaker 1: expectations because people now are going to expect that you're
18:29
Speaker 1: going to bring in guys who are going to perform
18:32
Speaker 1: at a high level immediately. But that's not going to
18:34
Speaker 1: happen exactly. And I'll use a great example in the
18:38
Speaker 1: Patriots took Rob Gronkowski in the second round and Aaron
18:41
Speaker 1: Hernandez in the in the fourth round, and by those
18:46
Speaker 1: two players were a dominant combination that looked like it
18:49
Speaker 1: might be a trend. Teams followed it was. It was
18:52
Speaker 1: that unusual. It took two years with Tom Brady as
18:54
Speaker 1: the quarterback and Bill Belichick is the coach for those
18:57
Speaker 1: guys to not that they didn't have moments, because they did,
19:00
Speaker 1: but by you're like, watch out for what they're doing
19:03
Speaker 1: with the tight ends. So if you bring in two
19:05
Speaker 1: tight ends, hey, I think that's a great move. It's
19:07
Speaker 1: a position that's gotten more importance in the NFL in
19:09
Speaker 1: recent years. However, it's a move for one based on
19:13
Speaker 1: history and it doesn't seem so crucial, especially after combine
19:17
Speaker 1: talk to go tight end at seven because we've heard
19:20
Speaker 1: that this is one of the best tight end classes
19:22
Speaker 1: that they've seen in years. So to go and make
19:24
Speaker 1: that seventh round pick on that when you are seventh
19:26
Speaker 1: pick overall, right, Well, basically what we're talking about is
19:29
Speaker 1: you have to have an eye on the future at
19:31
Speaker 1: all times. But this franchise is all in on right now.
19:38
Speaker 1: We'll see how that one. You don't draft or follow
19:40
Speaker 1: the draft expecting these guys depeat in their first year.
19:45
Speaker 1: That happens at running back, uh, and that's about the
19:49
Speaker 1: only position where it happens. Corner sometimes as well, But
19:51
Speaker 1: the positions we're talking about, it doesn't happen. Well, there's
19:54
Speaker 1: a lot of excitement of Jacksonville obviously a quarterback right
19:57
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. M v P reportedly will stick with it.
20:00
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20:03
Speaker 1: though we're in the legal tampering window, they aren't saying anything.
20:07
Speaker 1: The earliest you'll hear anything is four o'clock tomorrow. And
20:11
Speaker 1: obviously the story will continue over the course of the week.
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Speaker 1: morning shot at the t I A. A. Bank Field
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Speaker 1: second day of free agent Frenzy, as they're calling it
22:12
Speaker 1: on the NFL network, And obviously, you know, I've been
22:16
Speaker 1: around this a long time and I should not be surprised,
22:20
Speaker 1: but I'm marveling at just how the NFL has soaked
22:23
Speaker 1: up the Twitter sphere, the radio, the television. I mean,
22:29
Speaker 1: everybody is in on the Twitter twitter spheres. That was
22:33
Speaker 1: I was alarmed by that as well, but I like it. Well,
22:36
Speaker 1: it's a good word. Don't be alarmed. No one's going
22:37
Speaker 1: to get injured. Um, you know what I'm saying, though,
22:41
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's all attention on this free agent
22:43
Speaker 1: stuff and nothing is even final. But you just see
22:45
Speaker 1: this player is getting that, this player is getting that,
22:47
Speaker 1: that player is getting miss uh and nothing's even official
22:50
Speaker 1: until tomorrow. Yeah, It's been said a million times. They
22:54
Speaker 1: do a magnificent job of keeping on it themselves in
22:57
Speaker 1: the news and the news cycle, to the point where Honestly,
23:02
Speaker 1: the off season is extended far longer than it truly
23:06
Speaker 1: needs to be, till the third week in June. You're
23:08
Speaker 1: coming up now on a on a on a four
23:11
Speaker 1: or what a five week period before the draft, which
23:14
Speaker 1: is genius on their part because everybody r in the
23:16
Speaker 1: mock draft. But you could do it much much quicker um,
23:20
Speaker 1: but they won't. It seems like this year compared to
23:23
Speaker 1: last year, it's growing every year where so much hype
23:25
Speaker 1: is on the millions and millions of dollars. How much
23:27
Speaker 1: are they getting paid. It's not how much of an
23:29
Speaker 1: impact they're going to make on the team they're going
23:30
Speaker 1: to but all about the money. Well, and it's a
23:33
Speaker 1: great point. Drag wars fans have not had to know
23:36
Speaker 1: much about the salary cap the last five or six years.
23:40
Speaker 1: Better brush up on it because for the next few years,
23:42
Speaker 1: the cap is going to determine a lot of the
23:44
Speaker 1: things that they do, and if you want, you're never
23:46
Speaker 1: going to be an expert at it. But if you
23:48
Speaker 1: understand the nuances of it and how contracts are structured,
23:51
Speaker 1: it will make it easier if were going to understand
23:53
Speaker 1: the moves that they're making. Well, here's the thing too. Um.
23:56
Speaker 1: I think because of the uh, the Paul that the
24:05
Speaker 1: stuff that happened in the early two thousands cast that,
24:09
Speaker 1: and then because of all the room that they had
24:12
Speaker 1: from two thousand thirteen two thousand fifteen, there's a perception,
24:16
Speaker 1: and I get questions about it that they're in cap
24:18
Speaker 1: hell now right now, they're playing with about the average
24:21
Speaker 1: right now, right They're back to normal now they were.
24:25
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been so long some people don't remember
24:27
Speaker 1: the or two thousands. They were an outlier in the
24:30
Speaker 1: early two thousands, they had completely mismanaged it to the
24:34
Speaker 1: point where it was rare, and then they were also
24:38
Speaker 1: an outlier in two thousand twelve and two thousand and
24:39
Speaker 1: thirteen when they basically stripped everything down to where you
24:43
Speaker 1: had so much cap room. Well, are ever going to
24:47
Speaker 1: operate like they did in two thousand and fifteen and
24:50
Speaker 1: sixteen with just everything to spend? This is the norm.
24:53
Speaker 1: This is what most teams go through. It's why every
24:55
Speaker 1: year you see all these teams releasing guys in March.
24:58
Speaker 1: It's got to the point where those Arch releases they're
25:02
Speaker 1: perceived as teams admitting mistakes more often than not. Now
25:06
Speaker 1: they're just teams doing what they planned it right. It's
25:09
Speaker 1: worth pointing out that if the Jaguars had hit on
25:11
Speaker 1: Blaine Gabbertt or Blake Bordles, they wouldn't have had that
25:13
Speaker 1: much cap room in fifteen sixteen, right, And they haven't
25:17
Speaker 1: had to pay a quarterback um, which brings another point.
25:20
Speaker 1: Now you've got that, which is about the average, and
25:23
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback at some point in the near future
25:26
Speaker 1: is important because having a quarterback who's playing at a
25:29
Speaker 1: moderately high level on a rookie deal is the best
25:33
Speaker 1: way to run a salary cap. But the big thing
25:35
Speaker 1: we've talked about, and we've talked about it without saying it,
25:38
Speaker 1: uh succinctly necessarily you mentioned earlier they have to draft well,
25:43
Speaker 1: have to draft very well. That's true of every NFL team.
25:50
Speaker 1: There is no conceivable way to sustain success signing players
25:57
Speaker 1: in the way that the Jaguars have signed them for
25:59
Speaker 1: the last three or four years. They know it's not
26:01
Speaker 1: the model. They said it's not the model when they
26:03
Speaker 1: did it. They believed they had to get back to
26:06
Speaker 1: a competitive level of talent by doing free agency, but
26:11
Speaker 1: they always knew that that's not gonna sustain unless we
26:14
Speaker 1: support it. The foundation has to be drafting well as
26:17
Speaker 1: we go along. Eventually the free agents fall off and
26:21
Speaker 1: then you're and then you're depending on your draft picks
26:23
Speaker 1: going forward. Had they drafted well enough so far, we
26:27
Speaker 1: don't know yet. I would say it doesn't quite look
26:30
Speaker 1: like they have enough, but that'll be determined over the
26:33
Speaker 1: last couple of years, over the next couple years. Look,
26:35
Speaker 1: two years ago, the New Orleans Saints had a knockout draft,
26:38
Speaker 1: right They got the corner from Ohio State in the
26:41
Speaker 1: first round, and he really cemented the defense. And on
26:45
Speaker 1: the offensive side, Alvin Kamara came you know, late second,
26:48
Speaker 1: early third, I forget exactly where, and helped the offense
26:51
Speaker 1: come to life and they made a playoff run. Last year,
26:54
Speaker 1: the Colts to the exact same thing. They had a
26:56
Speaker 1: tremendous draft quint Nelson, Darius leonard Um and up of
27:00
Speaker 1: other guys that they're really excited about, and it helped
27:02
Speaker 1: get them on some solid footing and got them a
27:05
Speaker 1: playoff run. So you've got to have one of those
27:08
Speaker 1: kinds of drafts, especially when you my opinion, we're about
27:11
Speaker 1: to talk about this, you lack enough on offense to
27:14
Speaker 1: make you go whoa Nick Foles is going to need
27:15
Speaker 1: some help, So let's go that direction. We're going to
27:17
Speaker 1: talk about nick Foles is great. It's a great situation
27:21
Speaker 1: to have a quarterback. But and you're gonna lead us off, Yes,
27:25
Speaker 1: the big button, the big butts. He's gonna love the
27:27
Speaker 1: fact that you said big butts. He comes up Bunny seven.
27:31
Speaker 1: Nick Foles is great, but he's not Drew Brees and
27:33
Speaker 1: he's not Tom Brady. He's going to need running help.
27:36
Speaker 1: You look at who he had with the Eagles during
27:38
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl run to throw to Nelson Aghil or Alshon,
27:40
Speaker 1: Jeffrey zach Ertz. You don't have that here in Jacksonville.
27:44
Speaker 1: A lot is still depending on the success of Leonard
27:47
Speaker 1: for nut Can he stay healthy, can he run aggressive?
27:49
Speaker 1: Can he play like the fourth overall pick that they
27:52
Speaker 1: want him to play in Right now? I don't trust
27:54
Speaker 1: him with that. I don't think we all trust him
27:56
Speaker 1: with that because he hasn't shown us that yet. Know
27:58
Speaker 1: that this is a guy who was set off to
28:00
Speaker 1: the side for the moment because of the quarterback and
28:02
Speaker 1: the emphasis on the passing game and talking tight ends
28:05
Speaker 1: in the draft. But the reality of it is is
28:07
Speaker 1: that this guy here is as important as Fuls this year.
28:12
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of questions too with does he fit?
28:17
Speaker 1: What Folds is good at um, Folds is very good
28:21
Speaker 1: at rp O, very good out of the shotgun. That
28:24
Speaker 1: hasn't been Leonard's thing. Uh, how well does he fit?
28:29
Speaker 1: It's gonna be up to de Filipo to mesh that
28:32
Speaker 1: and to use him. Um Like Garrett Blunt when the
28:37
Speaker 1: Eagles went to the Super Bowl, I think it was
28:39
Speaker 1: it was seventeen, a big, powerful runner, but they also
28:43
Speaker 1: had other types of running backs around that. Uh. If
28:48
Speaker 1: if they keep for Net for next year, which I'm
28:50
Speaker 1: convinced now they will, there's always draft date trades you
28:53
Speaker 1: never know about that. That remains a possibility. It's going
28:57
Speaker 1: to be fascinating to see how he meshes in with
28:59
Speaker 1: what they're going to like to do with Folds. Also
29:02
Speaker 1: fascinating to see how Folds is going to mention in
29:04
Speaker 1: with what they do with for Net. What's most important there.
29:07
Speaker 1: There's weapons, but there's not really a blueprint to use them.
29:10
Speaker 1: They have to make up their own blueprint. They have
29:12
Speaker 1: to add a running back. I think in the draft
29:14
Speaker 1: this year. I thought they did last year, because just
29:16
Speaker 1: his history would suggest that the style of running you
29:19
Speaker 1: weren't going to have him for every game, and of
29:21
Speaker 1: course we all know that was the main storyline of
29:23
Speaker 1: the season. You've got to go get back and probably
29:26
Speaker 1: bring another one or two in as undrafted rookie free agents.
29:30
Speaker 1: You've got to go find another Corey Grant. Yeah, and uh,
29:35
Speaker 1: I don't think it will. I don't think the next
29:38
Speaker 1: Corey Grant will be Corey Grant. Whoever? Is I just
29:41
Speaker 1: a guy who could come out and have an impact.
29:43
Speaker 1: But but you need that sort of right now. They don't.
29:47
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they have that speed guy. Your
29:49
Speaker 1: folds really great at throwing to the backs out of
29:51
Speaker 1: the backfield too well. For that's better than people thought
29:55
Speaker 1: he was going to be at that. Is that what
29:58
Speaker 1: is going to be his bread and butter? I don't know.
30:00
Speaker 1: So there are pieces that have to be added. Um,
30:05
Speaker 1: running back in those in those top three that we
30:08
Speaker 1: were talking about, top four rounds makes sense because you
30:11
Speaker 1: can get high impact third fourth round out of running back.
30:14
Speaker 1: I'm next. Uh, Nick Foles is great, but I don't
30:17
Speaker 1: think the receiving corps is nearly ready to play at
30:21
Speaker 1: a high level. This guy right here exemplifies it all.
30:24
Speaker 1: You talk to different guys Keenan and and and players,
30:28
Speaker 1: and he was really coming on the practice field, and
30:31
Speaker 1: then the quad injury set him back six weeks and
30:33
Speaker 1: basically took away the second half of his season. He
30:36
Speaker 1: wasn't the impact player that we thought he was going
30:38
Speaker 1: to be. Um a guy with the first round grade,
30:41
Speaker 1: absolutely Pro Bowl kind of measurables. You know, six four,
30:44
Speaker 1: the long arms, the big hands, the great speed, um
30:47
Speaker 1: and we saw flashes of what he's capable of athletically
30:50
Speaker 1: on special teams. He's got to take a big jump,
30:53
Speaker 1: and there are guys who last year, in their second season,
30:56
Speaker 1: took big jumps. So it's possible that your second round
30:59
Speaker 1: pick from seen takes a big jump this year. But
31:02
Speaker 1: alongside him you have one guy who last year you
31:05
Speaker 1: could count on, indeed, Westbrook, you have Marquis Lee. And
31:09
Speaker 1: I saw Marquise to three weeks ago. He's walking straight,
31:12
Speaker 1: he's walking fast, he looks good. That's not playing football.
31:15
Speaker 1: I don't know that you can say. And this is
31:18
Speaker 1: the guy that only practiced on Thursdays, maybe Fridays at
31:21
Speaker 1: the second half of seventeen. So now you've got a
31:23
Speaker 1: guy coming back from a major knee injury. He's only
31:25
Speaker 1: going to practice one day a week. I believe in
31:28
Speaker 1: Markis maybe he can do that, but it's not as
31:30
Speaker 1: if you can go okay, Marky's checked done, finished right,
31:33
Speaker 1: and then and then and then Keeling Cole who looked
31:39
Speaker 1: like a player on the rise coming out of his
31:41
Speaker 1: rookie year, and even the first month of last year
31:44
Speaker 1: before he went right down the tubes, where was he?
31:47
Speaker 1: He wasn't a factor in a game the rest of
31:50
Speaker 1: the way. In fact, he was a negative factor in
31:52
Speaker 1: at least two games that I remember, where he was
31:54
Speaker 1: dropping passes and and killing drives. So he had one
31:58
Speaker 1: great year as a rookie, very good year, and one
32:01
Speaker 1: very bad year. So he's somewhere in between. So tell
32:04
Speaker 1: me how you don't address the wide receiver corps in
32:07
Speaker 1: the draft, but you can't address everything we've already talked about. Um. Yeah, Well,
32:15
Speaker 1: I think if they get it, it'll it'll be in
32:18
Speaker 1: a low enough round where it's a non factor as
32:20
Speaker 1: a rookie because I just don't see them being able
32:23
Speaker 1: to strafe again. Their hope is and this is really
32:27
Speaker 1: a year I never talked about trading back before a draft,
32:31
Speaker 1: because history tells me that unless a team is wanting
32:34
Speaker 1: to come up and get a quarterback, it's not as
32:36
Speaker 1: easy as you know. You know, you can't just go
32:39
Speaker 1: to the draft tree and trade back, you know, or
32:42
Speaker 1: or the trade tree. They would I think they would
32:44
Speaker 1: love to trade back six spots in the first round
32:47
Speaker 1: and pick up an extra second or third round pick,
32:49
Speaker 1: whatever the number or the round would be, so they
32:52
Speaker 1: could get another way. These guys you're talking about um,
32:55
Speaker 1: But no team is just gonna volunteer to help him
32:56
Speaker 1: out of the goodness of their heart. At some point,
33:01
Speaker 1: when you are out of cap space and you're in
33:04
Speaker 1: a situation the Jaguars in, you must trust your judgment
33:07
Speaker 1: and you must have guys developed from within. That's what
33:11
Speaker 1: they have to do a receiver. There's no guarantee. But
33:14
Speaker 1: they can't just they don't have the money to just
33:17
Speaker 1: sort of keep throwing free agent money at their problem.
33:20
Speaker 1: My thing is this, it's your rely on ifs if
33:23
Speaker 1: d J. Chark is ready to take that step. Probability
33:27
Speaker 1: is that he is. But if if Marquise Lee is healthy,
33:30
Speaker 1: he told me, I'll be ready for Opening Day. But
33:33
Speaker 1: but there's an if, right, if heeling Cole is able
33:39
Speaker 1: to find where he was the second after that, if
33:42
Speaker 1: if if, I mean you wouldn't plan your family budget
33:44
Speaker 1: on well if if if hey, let's go right, you'd
33:47
Speaker 1: have a contingency plan. You need a lot of things
33:49
Speaker 1: to go right. Maybe it will, Maybe Fools elevates their
33:53
Speaker 1: game the better for what reportedly the Jaguars you're paying him.
33:57
Speaker 1: I see this receiving corpse of something that has to
33:59
Speaker 1: be addressed, even if you only get, even if you
34:02
Speaker 1: only get a small contribution from them in your one
34:05
Speaker 1: because remember Falls deal is not a one year deal.
34:07
Speaker 1: It's not a twenty nineteen deal. You're you're banking on
34:11
Speaker 1: this for twenty one probably too. You're gonna need weapons
34:16
Speaker 1: for years to come. And it was interesting the response
34:18
Speaker 1: at least on social media from the receivers of the
34:20
Speaker 1: Jaguars having out was D J. Chart and D Westbrook
34:23
Speaker 1: all excited that Falls was coming. We know how good
34:25
Speaker 1: Foals is with the go routes bombing it down the field,
34:27
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs. We know the speed chart has
34:30
Speaker 1: especially on special teams, but we've never really seen that
34:33
Speaker 1: go route ability from Chart just yet. Maybe they're fine.
34:36
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll find I think on Sunday April you're gonna
34:41
Speaker 1: be a disappointed man. Well, we'll find out. And yeah,
34:45
Speaker 1: and as far as receivers, that the thing is that
34:48
Speaker 1: this team, I've always been the best available player. Guy,
34:51
Speaker 1: take the best available player, because when don't you need
34:53
Speaker 1: the best player on the board. But this team, after
34:56
Speaker 1: signing Nick Foles, has become a needs based team. Now
34:58
Speaker 1: maybe best player available a need will match up with
35:01
Speaker 1: it offensive tackle at seven or a tight end at
35:05
Speaker 1: thirty five. Maybe it feels like they're fortunate on that
35:09
Speaker 1: front in the draft because and getting to the next point,
35:12
Speaker 1: offensive line, you like that, Uh, there's some sort of
35:16
Speaker 1: graphic needs to go up at this point. Folds is great,
35:20
Speaker 1: but offensive line needs to get better. Um. I think
35:24
Speaker 1: that I am directing the show, Joe, thank you very much. Um.
35:27
Speaker 1: I think they will go offensive line in the top ten. Uh.
35:33
Speaker 1: It feels to me like a year and it doesn't
35:36
Speaker 1: always work this way where the draft lines up with
35:39
Speaker 1: what they need around Folds. I don't think that means
35:43
Speaker 1: that these guys are going to come in and be
35:44
Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers immediately. I don't expect that from rookies. Ever,
35:47
Speaker 1: but John Taylor, right tackle from Florida. It seems to fit,
35:53
Speaker 1: seems to fit. There are so many great defensive alignment
35:57
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks as predictor to get pushed up that you're
36:01
Speaker 1: going to have if not your pick of offensive linemen,
36:04
Speaker 1: pick of enough offensive aligneman that you you should feel safe,
36:10
Speaker 1: relatively safe at that spot there. And then you also
36:12
Speaker 1: happen to have a year where there's enough tight ends
36:15
Speaker 1: where you won't necessarily cry in your beer if you
36:18
Speaker 1: if you have to pass on t J. Hockens hock
36:20
Speaker 1: and go a different direction with that. So I think
36:24
Speaker 1: it lines up for them how much immediate impact they
36:27
Speaker 1: will get at that we'll see again. Wouldn't surprise me
36:32
Speaker 1: if they go ahead and take two offensive linemen in
36:35
Speaker 1: the first four rounds to help that area as opposed
36:38
Speaker 1: to taking the receiver that you said desperately want, Well,
36:42
Speaker 1: I think they need it. Yeah, and and and if
36:44
Speaker 1: they've become if they've become a need based team this year,
36:48
Speaker 1: I think they are. I think it might marry up
36:50
Speaker 1: like you said, offensive line, tight end, offensive line or receiver.
36:54
Speaker 1: They have two third round picks, so maybe offensive line
36:57
Speaker 1: tight end, tight end receiver who knows maybe they touch
37:00
Speaker 1: a receiver at all. I don't want to do that,
37:02
Speaker 1: but maybe they don't. Well, you can see scenario there
37:05
Speaker 1: where offensive line, tight end second, offensive line third, and
37:12
Speaker 1: wide receiver third with running back forth. Uh, running back
37:18
Speaker 1: forth is not an absurdly low spot to expect production
37:22
Speaker 1: out of that position. And again that's all based on
37:26
Speaker 1: how do we line up these four or five picks
37:28
Speaker 1: to get the most out of their rookie year. What
37:31
Speaker 1: worries you is if you're thinking that way, you're not
37:33
Speaker 1: necessary thinking are we getting the best you have to be? Yeah,
37:37
Speaker 1: you got to be looking at and I told me
37:39
Speaker 1: they have to be looking at wide receiver. Well yeah,
37:41
Speaker 1: but again I got an awful lot from a draft.
37:43
Speaker 1: But I but I cautioned that by saying that it's
37:46
Speaker 1: the draft is not just about nineteen, it's about twenty one,
37:50
Speaker 1: and you've got to be looking for weapons for him,
37:52
Speaker 1: not just this year, but in future years. Yeah. I
37:54
Speaker 1: just wonder where you're where realistically you're going to get
37:57
Speaker 1: help a wide receiver quickly because I don't think there's
38:00
Speaker 1: a top ten guy. I don't think DK metcalf is
38:03
Speaker 1: a guy who comes in and makes a huge mediate impact.
38:06
Speaker 1: He's arguably the best receiver. Uh beyond that, if you
38:11
Speaker 1: don't have special as you alluded to earlier, I don't
38:13
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get impact as a rookie anyway. So
38:15
Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry that now. But I want more talent. Remember,
38:17
Speaker 1: and don't forget Antonio Brown, who was just shipped off
38:21
Speaker 1: with the one of the highest deals that he's the
38:23
Speaker 1: highest paid receiver for the moment in the NFL. It
38:26
Speaker 1: was a sixth round pick six and he started his
38:28
Speaker 1: career returning kicks. So you know, there are guys who
38:32
Speaker 1: can impact you in some way. I just want to
38:34
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38:37
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38:39
Speaker 1: in the fourth round cannot come in and make a
38:42
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38:45
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41:06
Speaker 1: o'clock tomorrow. This mail bag, I'm sure, hey, before we
41:11
Speaker 1: do that. Um, congratulations to Malie Jackson. Uh. He was
41:15
Speaker 1: one of the good guys. When he was one of
41:16
Speaker 1: the best guys, one of the best, one of the
41:18
Speaker 1: very very best guys. Sorry to see him go, just
41:20
Speaker 1: like Carlos Hyde, one of the good guys. Yeah. Ah,
41:25
Speaker 1: Malik though, was tremendous. He always was. He was good
41:29
Speaker 1: when when they were good, he was good when they
41:31
Speaker 1: were not good. He was still good well and he
41:34
Speaker 1: defined I mean, Malik should be remembered too. For a
41:37
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. A two thousand. He got here in sixteen, right,
41:43
Speaker 1: not an easy year for a guy who had never
41:46
Speaker 1: experienced anything in the NFL, but winning and Super Bowl
41:49
Speaker 1: a lot of eyes on him. I have seen free
41:52
Speaker 1: agents with big expectations, and he played okay that year,
41:55
Speaker 1: but there was no way for him to live up
41:57
Speaker 1: to the contract in the eyes of the fans. You
42:00
Speaker 1: see a lot of guys wilt in that situation. You
42:03
Speaker 1: see a lot of guys ducking through the bathroom area
42:06
Speaker 1: to get away from the media. Uh, ducking into the
42:08
Speaker 1: place where the media can't go. He never did that,
42:12
Speaker 1: and he learned how to deal with it during that year.
42:14
Speaker 1: Um was as much of a leader and tried as
42:19
Speaker 1: hard on those fronts as you possibly can to speak
42:22
Speaker 1: for the team and to keep things as positive as
42:24
Speaker 1: he could. Uh, you're right, one of the good guys.
42:27
Speaker 1: And furthermore, I'm not sure if Kalais boy a Church
42:33
Speaker 1: happened if Malik hadn't signed the year before. When Malik signed,
42:38
Speaker 1: it shocked people that the best free agent the class
42:43
Speaker 1: came to Jacksonville. Rightly or wrongly. There was a perception
42:46
Speaker 1: that wouldn't happen Malik did give the franchise some credibility
42:50
Speaker 1: at the time that it needed it um and now
42:53
Speaker 1: you're not really surprised when it folds, even for the
42:55
Speaker 1: money signs with Jacksonville, one of the top free agents.
42:58
Speaker 1: You weren't surprised when Boy did. You were surprise when
43:00
Speaker 1: Norwell did it. Malik and he didn't do to have
43:04
Speaker 1: the goodness of his heart. He got paid, but but
43:07
Speaker 1: it still was a moment for the team where some
43:10
Speaker 1: perception change, maybe folds changes it. I don't know if
43:12
Speaker 1: if he signs here and we get the great press
43:15
Speaker 1: conference on Thursday, but my favorite all time press conference
43:19
Speaker 1: was Malik's when he said, hey, look, they only guaranteed
43:22
Speaker 1: forty two million of the ninety I want it all. Hey,
43:24
Speaker 1: it's pro football, It's about the money. I appreciated the candor.
43:27
Speaker 1: He was here for the money, and he was. He
43:31
Speaker 1: was the kind of guy that you say is a
43:32
Speaker 1: true pro. He's here for the money, but he never
43:35
Speaker 1: acted beyond saying that. He never acted like a diva.
43:39
Speaker 1: He always wanted to try to earn it. And again,
43:42
Speaker 1: there were a lot of moments where a lot of
43:44
Speaker 1: guys duck and duck the responsibility Malik never did never
43:48
Speaker 1: did proa. Now onto the ozone. Do we have to
43:51
Speaker 1: play the theme music again? Please know not the song again? Jeez?
43:57
Speaker 1: Sam from Matt from Orlando, Folks, specular thing about Nick
44:00
Speaker 1: Foles being the next big thing and Jack's are blowing
44:03
Speaker 1: of smoke. He flamed down in Philly, flamed out in Casey,
44:07
Speaker 1: flamed out in St. Louis folds an excellent, if not
44:10
Speaker 1: the goat of backup quarterbacks. To expect become to Jack's
44:13
Speaker 1: and lead us to the super Bowl is wishful thinking. Wait,
44:17
Speaker 1: this is last week, so just play back my answer
44:22
Speaker 1: from last week. Go ahead and read the read the
44:24
Speaker 1: ones that we got a new one. Sam from Orlando,
44:26
Speaker 1: it seems like everyone wants to go all offense in
44:28
Speaker 1: the drafted free agency. I asked them to look at
44:31
Speaker 1: the Jep Tart at corner, safety and linebacker. It's scary.
44:34
Speaker 1: We need talent in depth everywhere. Well this seems and
44:40
Speaker 1: Brian you can speak to this too. Uh, Everybody, when
44:46
Speaker 1: you're a fan of a team and an ardent follower
44:48
Speaker 1: of a team, you tend to get very myopic on
44:51
Speaker 1: that team. And the depth is terrible. Our fourth cornerback
44:58
Speaker 1: isn't going to come in and be as good as
44:59
Speaker 1: Jay Ramsey. Well, no team has that kind of depth.
45:03
Speaker 1: So a depth in the NFL is a little bit
45:07
Speaker 1: of a myth. Uh, if you've got it, you don't
45:11
Speaker 1: have it for very long because free agency doesn't allow it.
45:14
Speaker 1: Most teams don't have it. I get questions all the time,
45:16
Speaker 1: our offensive line depth is terrible. Well, go find me
45:20
Speaker 1: an offensive line in the NFL that's deep, and I'll
45:23
Speaker 1: show you one that probably isn't as deep as you think,
45:26
Speaker 1: and that isn't going to be deep the next year
45:28
Speaker 1: because Jeremy Parnell is going to go sign with somebody
45:30
Speaker 1: else when you come as a free agent. So, um, yes,
45:34
Speaker 1: they need talent. Uh, they need to draft. Well, but
45:37
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's particularly a crisis that is
45:40
Speaker 1: solo to the Jaguars. Well, here's a great example of depth. Uh,
45:43
Speaker 1: if you have a position group, one position group on
45:46
Speaker 1: your roster where you have three or four guys, you're deep. Um,
45:49
Speaker 1: if you have too, I mean you're ridiculously wealthy. Right.
45:51
Speaker 1: I think they are kind of deep at corners so right,
45:54
Speaker 1: and and defensive line. But last year they thought they
45:56
Speaker 1: were deep at running back, and they had versatility. You
45:58
Speaker 1: had Leonard for Net and t J Yelden and Corey
46:01
Speaker 1: Grant and you thought, man, this team has a wealth
46:04
Speaker 1: of richest running back because you have three guys that
46:06
Speaker 1: can do different things. Well right, Uh, when that obviously
46:10
Speaker 1: hurt and Corey Grant hurt in Kansas City and then
46:13
Speaker 1: you're left to trade for Carlos Hyde, who good riddance
46:16
Speaker 1: is now gone. And you had, uh, David Williams who
46:20
Speaker 1: you brought in from the Denver Broncos, and t J
46:23
Speaker 1: yelled in and it was just it was a mess,
46:25
Speaker 1: and you started the season feeling like you were deep.
46:28
Speaker 1: I mean, it goes away in an instant, absolutely, and
46:32
Speaker 1: by the way, Mollie Jackson, yeah right, or or the
46:36
Speaker 1: catch cat cap catches up to you. You had a
46:39
Speaker 1: ridiculously wealthy defensive line. But you have to trade the
46:42
Speaker 1: Fowler because you know you're not going to keep him,
46:44
Speaker 1: and you have to release Malik because you know you
46:46
Speaker 1: can't keep him in restructure Marcel. So a lot of
46:49
Speaker 1: the depth now is dependent on whether Taven Brian can
46:52
Speaker 1: step in and replace Malik Jackson. Malik was once a
46:55
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, Brian a first round pick. Okay, well,
46:59
Speaker 1: I mean you should we'll see. Okay, let's go all
47:05
Speaker 1: the way to Mexico. Ready, John, I'm very happy with
47:09
Speaker 1: the recent cuts, especially the Barnell cut. He stuck. It
47:12
Speaker 1: really was time to move on from him. Yeah, and
47:15
Speaker 1: way to put it straight. I disagree. And this again
47:19
Speaker 1: is one where people watching a team get locked in
47:25
Speaker 1: on a guy making a few mistakes. Uh yeah, part
47:29
Speaker 1: when I gave up some plays. He wasn't an elite
47:32
Speaker 1: right tackle. Well, if there was a speed rusher over there, right,
47:35
Speaker 1: he was gonna struggle. That was never his forte And
47:38
Speaker 1: you you probably described twenty five starting right tackles in
47:43
Speaker 1: the NFL just now. If you you had better be
47:46
Speaker 1: able to win a he didn't stink. You had better
47:50
Speaker 1: be able to win in the NFL with guys on
47:54
Speaker 1: your offensive line of the quality of a J Can
47:57
Speaker 1: and Jerry Parnell and everybody's anxious to get rid of him,
47:59
Speaker 1: and and Partnell's gone. I'm assuming a J will to
48:03
Speaker 1: You're not going to start five Pro bowlers on your
48:06
Speaker 1: offensive line. Those guys were fine starters. Um, they were
48:12
Speaker 1: an elite starter. Sure, you'd liked upgrade as soon as
48:14
Speaker 1: you upgrade those though you're gonna be paying those guys
48:16
Speaker 1: so much that you can't pay the other guy. You
48:18
Speaker 1: can pay about two or three offensive linemen of the
48:21
Speaker 1: elite you need to be able to get by, get
48:23
Speaker 1: by with guys like Parnell and Camp. You'd like to
48:25
Speaker 1: have Parnell back in one sense, because he was better
48:28
Speaker 1: than just serviceable, I get it. I mean structurally from
48:31
Speaker 1: a strategic standpoint, you needed to help him with the
48:34
Speaker 1: tight end. And and Marcedes left and all of a
48:36
Speaker 1: sudden he was exposed when speed rushers came over to
48:39
Speaker 1: that side. And and I mean he kind of looked
48:41
Speaker 1: like the tin man at one point there. He was
48:43
Speaker 1: so put together with braces his knees and his elbows,
48:45
Speaker 1: and he struggled with some of the injuries along that
48:48
Speaker 1: that front. But he was he was good enough that
48:51
Speaker 1: you could win with him. And and what made him
48:54
Speaker 1: better was he was six million dollars, which is ridiculously
48:57
Speaker 1: cheap for a better than average right back. Problem is
49:01
Speaker 1: you were up against the cap and he was a
49:02
Speaker 1: straight cash savings. There was no dead money at all,
49:05
Speaker 1: and it became time. You've had him for four years,
49:07
Speaker 1: I know. But but he's a guy that if you
49:09
Speaker 1: weren't up against the cap a six million dollar right tackle,
49:11
Speaker 1: you probably keep right. But but you have to be
49:14
Speaker 1: able to move on. That's the spot where you have
49:16
Speaker 1: to be able to draft. You have to be able
49:17
Speaker 1: to plug it in. Uh. And here's something may surprise people.
49:21
Speaker 1: A J Cann'll get paid. Oh yeah, if we're talking
49:24
Speaker 1: about that side of the four year starter, he's a
49:26
Speaker 1: four year starter. He's probably top what forty guards in
49:31
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's a tough guy. He played fort with
49:32
Speaker 1: a hamstring all your last paid. Well, I don't. I
49:37
Speaker 1: don't doubt that at all. And but let's go back
49:39
Speaker 1: to the Jags offensive line. Let's just say, for arguments sake,
49:41
Speaker 1: they draft you on Taylor will richardson, their fourth round
49:43
Speaker 1: pick a year ago, was thought to be a guy
49:45
Speaker 1: who could play guard. You couldn't need him step and
49:47
Speaker 1: play guard. Yeah, I mean that. I don't think counting
49:51
Speaker 1: on him to start. I think they've got to get
49:52
Speaker 1: one more guy exactly. But but he should be able
49:56
Speaker 1: to compete in training camp and push for that job. Yeah.
50:00
Speaker 1: If he can't, it's a problem. Fourth round pick you
50:02
Speaker 1: need to play. All right, Let's go to Mike from Atlanta,
50:05
Speaker 1: Georgia to wrap it up. Aside from quarterback, what position
50:09
Speaker 1: do you see the Jaguar spending the most on in
50:11
Speaker 1: free agency? Well, you know, if they do, then I
50:18
Speaker 1: think it's either offensive line or tight end. At a
50:21
Speaker 1: lower level. Um, I think what's going to be fascinating
50:25
Speaker 1: in the next few days weeks is probably days. Um
50:32
Speaker 1: what do they do with their own offensive linemen who
50:35
Speaker 1: are free? That includes Shatley, uh, Flowers, Wells, and I'm
50:42
Speaker 1: missing one Josh Walker. You know, if none of those
50:47
Speaker 1: guys returned, you're talking about some heavy lifting to get
50:51
Speaker 1: done somewhere. I don't know what they're process is gonna be.
50:59
Speaker 1: I know they would like to get with them back,
51:01
Speaker 1: whether or not they'll be able to afford to get
51:02
Speaker 1: some of them back all of a sudden, as much
51:05
Speaker 1: as those guys aren't your front line guys, if you
51:07
Speaker 1: don't have them, then then all of a sudden, your
51:10
Speaker 1: depth it really does become an issue. I would again,
51:12
Speaker 1: that's why I'm so interested to see how they structured
51:14
Speaker 1: Nick Foles deal so that on Thursday they still have
51:18
Speaker 1: the flexibility. You gotta have some and you gotta have
51:21
Speaker 1: someone reserved for the season, so that they can go
51:24
Speaker 1: and get a couple of guys. Because whereas depth might
51:27
Speaker 1: not be a problem in a lot of places because
51:28
Speaker 1: no teams have it, those guys have all been contributors,
51:33
Speaker 1: especially last year with those injuries along the front. You
51:35
Speaker 1: hate to let those guys that you've developed just walk. Yeah.
51:37
Speaker 1: I'm curious on Wells what happens to him because if
51:41
Speaker 1: he had been able to play out last season, uh,
51:44
Speaker 1: playing as well as he was at left tackle, he
51:46
Speaker 1: would have gotten big money on free agency. His injuries,
51:50
Speaker 1: he's never been able to help. Yeah, so do they
51:53
Speaker 1: trust him as a swing tackle? Does somebody else? When
51:56
Speaker 1: as a swing tackle, he's a guy that's fascinating for
51:58
Speaker 1: his sake. I wish you'd be able to say healthy
52:00
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54:11
Speaker 1: Ashley asks, all right, John, please focus on the game.
54:14
Speaker 1: I think I think you might have news. All right there,
54:23
Speaker 1: never mind Sean Gibson, Yeah, is that true? Chafter just
54:26
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54:29
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54:32
Speaker 1: and I always like to get I didn't want to, Okay,
54:37
Speaker 1: go ahead, breaking news, all right. I don't know if
54:42
Speaker 1: you guys saw the tweets, but we would have them
54:43
Speaker 1: on this show. Jalen Ramsey and Leonard Fournett reacting to
54:46
Speaker 1: the reported Fulls deal. Jalen Ramsey eyes bag, securing them bag.
54:52
Speaker 1: We've heard him say that multiple times, Leonard, a lot
54:55
Speaker 1: of money getting tossed around. I see. The question is
54:58
Speaker 1: do Jalen Ramsey and Leonard for Nett have a solid
55:00
Speaker 1: argument that they should be talking about securing the bat.
55:05
Speaker 1: I knew you'd like this one, John. They don't have
55:08
Speaker 1: to be grouped together. If one doesn't the other one doesn't,
55:11
Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean, yeah, twenty. Absolutely, Um, although you
55:19
Speaker 1: know he doesn't have the leverage that he thinks that
55:21
Speaker 1: he does because and he's a smart guy, he knows this. Um.
55:25
Speaker 1: The Jaggers have the fifth year option on him and
55:27
Speaker 1: the franchise tag um and as much as he wants
55:30
Speaker 1: a deal this year, they don't have the money to
55:32
Speaker 1: give him a deal this year. They just don't. So yes,
55:36
Speaker 1: pay twenty as soon as you can afford to pay him.
55:39
Speaker 1: Oh no, Yeah, what are we tweeting for? I mean,
55:47
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming that's somewhere inside Leonard By now understands
55:53
Speaker 1: he has to earn that. Still that based on what
55:56
Speaker 1: he's done so far, I don't think they'll be a
56:00
Speaker 1: big contract. There's absolutely an incredible amount of potential to
56:04
Speaker 1: get the big contract. It's all out in front of him.
56:06
Speaker 1: He hasn't blown that yet. Twenties deserves it that question.
56:11
Speaker 1: As you said, I don't think it's going to get
56:12
Speaker 1: to the franchise tag out. I think it's I think
56:17
Speaker 1: my guess is next off season figuring out Jalen even
56:21
Speaker 1: at the end of this season, figuring that out, how
56:23
Speaker 1: to maneuver that is going to become the priority, and
56:26
Speaker 1: they'll do everything they can not to make that a
56:28
Speaker 1: tension thing. But twenties seven, No, not yet anything from
56:32
Speaker 1: unique yesterday, because he's the other guy that after this
56:34
Speaker 1: year they're going to have to address. I'm sure it
56:36
Speaker 1: was something of like strife for greatness type of deal,
56:39
Speaker 1: never calling on anyone out. But he's gonna have a
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Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder now if he didn't before, he'll
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Speaker 1: have it now. That's scoff that John did about twenty seven.
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Speaker 1: When I read that, I was like, exactly, come on,
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Speaker 1: man with him. They've got the option. They two more
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Speaker 1: years on the base and the option and the franchise.
56:55
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a size either the details just
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Speaker 1: performance on the future. He's got to work to do
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Speaker 1: before he's I think I would hope that he gets
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Speaker 1: that better. He didn't feel like last year he did
57:08
Speaker 1: at some point he's got to get that or that
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't, he has the wrong agent, because someone
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Speaker 1: should be spelling it out for him daily. Alright, final,
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Speaker 1: Ashlan asks wrapped the show. If Fools is here like
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Speaker 1: he reportedly is going to be, who is going to
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Speaker 1: be Fool's bff in the locker room? Who's this guy
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Speaker 1: his lunch buddy? On the weekends hanging out. I have
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Speaker 1: some ideas, but I'm not quite sure. I think Calais
57:36
Speaker 1: is going to be a good one. The leadership qualities.
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Speaker 1: They'll definitely get along. There could be some curveballs though. Max. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna like Max a lot. Well, Jalen's
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Speaker 1: his guy. He can't have both of them. No. I meant, look,
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Speaker 1: Max has a lot of love to share, and I
57:53
Speaker 1: think that Max can find room in his heart to
57:55
Speaker 1: welcome Nick Foles to town and spend just as much
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Speaker 1: time with his camera on the quarterback as he does
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Speaker 1: the cornerback. I think Max understands it's a quarterbacks games.
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Speaker 1: You're so selfish. Speaking of love, there is a lot
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Speaker 1: of self love over there. I have to pay all
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Speaker 1: my friends, So I just figure at some point self
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Speaker 1: loathing over there, so I'll someday throw much and we'll
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Speaker 1: be best friends. That's what John saying. Now, I mean,
58:28
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, I I everything you hear about Folds
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Speaker 1: is that he commanded an enormous amount of respect by
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Speaker 1: the way he carried himself, by his actions during the
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Speaker 1: playoff runs, and how he was able as a back
58:45
Speaker 1: up quarterback to naturally assume a leadership role. You would
58:51
Speaker 1: think that is a big reason why the Jaguars trusted
58:56
Speaker 1: the payment and investment in him. Uh, that I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure I needed. That'll happen naturally, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: fitting in will be an issue. If everything you've heard
59:06
Speaker 1: about it, he'll fit in a different way than Blake.
59:08
Speaker 1: You know, it's a different kind of leadership. Everybody loved Blake,
59:11
Speaker 1: that would being around him. I think got Folds will
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Speaker 1: command respect any more traditional quarterback sense. Well, and just
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Speaker 1: from the number of former players that he played with
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Speaker 1: who we're tweeting yesterday in support of Fools and congratulating him. Uh,
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Speaker 1: your point was well taken. Do you need to go
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Speaker 1: how to strap my team? You're out next week? Uh? Yes,
59:37
Speaker 1: more room for you by the dentist appointing, more room
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Speaker 1: for you. Fascinating. Thank you for telling that'll do it
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Speaker 1: for our show. Thanks to Joe and Max and everyone
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Speaker 1: we're watching, and we'll see you next week. M two