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Patriots Unfiltered 10/1: Bills Preview, Injury Updates, Week 4 NFL Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 2: It's Evan. Andy Hart.
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  Speaker 1: And Brian Murray.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 6: Eric. You know I'm screwed up. They need to do
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  Speaker 6: something to thin out that gator population. Gators are everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the pythons were the big problem.
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  Speaker 5: I could tell the Patriots are coming up with 35
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  Speaker 5: to 6 lines.
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  Speaker 6: Here's what I need from this game. Have a better
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  Speaker 6: showing than last week. That's all right now I'm asking.
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  Speaker 5: Looking forward to that pick tomorrow. You know, I was
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  Speaker 5: talking to Brian Hoyer yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that.
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  Speaker 1: He's talking to Brian.
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  Speaker 5: You know, when I was letting him in because he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have a badge.
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  Speaker 7: The rust is what gets me. Every time I see
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  Speaker 7: it in the parking lot, I just don't know how
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  Speaker 7: it rusts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he lets it sit out Wednesday sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: It's by the ocean. It's all that salt air.
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  Speaker 1: The other part of this, earmuffs for you.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: These kids never fail because we always told them, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: You won.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: That was a great job.
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  Speaker 5: You finished in 28th out of 32.
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  Speaker 1: Great job. Did you do your best? Next year's schedule stinks.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 6: It is Thursday here at Gillette Stadium. The gang's all here. Evan, Paul, me, Deuce, Alex,
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  Speaker 6: and Matt in the booth. And we turned the page
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  Speaker 6: yesterday to the Buffalo Bills. We'll continue that conversation. Talk
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  Speaker 6: about the current status of injuries or participation for the Patriots, including...
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  Speaker 6: One notable addition to the participation report.
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  Speaker 2: And then, of course, we will get to the picks
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  Speaker 2: later on in the show.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got to hurry.
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't think it was a good week for.
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  Speaker 5: Most of us. No, it wasn't for most of you.
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  Speaker 2: For most of us. Most of us. You know, some
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  Speaker 2: of us, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Work on Sundays?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Some of us actually have the book and, you know, well.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't he used to make fun of me for not
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  Speaker 5: watching the games? Some of us like football, he used
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  Speaker 5: to say to me when I would complain about the
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  Speaker 5: Thursday night streaming games and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so what's up, everybody? What's up?
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  Speaker 6: I guess the main headline today is the addition of
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  Speaker 6: Drake May on the injury report with a right shoulder.
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  Speaker 6: although he was full participation in practice. Thank goodness. So
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  Speaker 6: that's interesting, especially with all the questions that came after
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  Speaker 6: the game about, you know, do you have a sore shoulder?
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  Speaker 6: And the way he answered that, and now all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden he's on the injury report.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if.
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  Speaker 6: It's anything to be concerned about, small C or big C,
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  Speaker 6: but it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We're just pulling up the rest of it here.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Run it down. Barmore, Gonzalez, and Moses were all out.
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  Speaker 1: Did not participate. Limited were Ellis, Gilliam, Draymond Jones, Eli Raritan, Schooler,
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  Speaker 1: and Woodson. And Drake May was the lone full participant.
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  Speaker 2: Gonzalez is in there for the shoulder, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I have a theory.
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  Speaker 1: He got hurt.
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  Speaker 6: Overall. About the shoulder injuries. Because it seems like a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people are getting shoulder injuries.
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  Speaker 2: And I think.
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  Speaker 1: It's a thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: I think the.
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  Speaker 6: These shoulder pads are getting smaller and smaller every year,
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  Speaker 6: and I wonder if that's contributing to it.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in Draymond Jones' case, he got landed on by...
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: If this is right.
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  Speaker 5: It looked like it was an awkward... He was trying
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  Speaker 5: to recover the fumble. I think he got caught in
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  Speaker 5: an awkward position.
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  Speaker 1: And got landed on. It also seemed like it was
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  Speaker 1: just a hit, a hard hit.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he came down and hit the running back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: In your day, no one got shoulder pads.
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  Speaker 6: No, in the early 2000s, like, you know, Troy Bowne,
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  Speaker 6: for example, was wearing big shoulder pads. You know, and
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  Speaker 6: I just wonder if, I know the guys like him
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  Speaker 6: smaller because it gives you more mobility and everything, but.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if that, you know, contributes to it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit.
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  Speaker 9: Perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I saw, I mean, the Woodson one to me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, was obvious. I mean, it was just meeting
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  Speaker 1: the running back with Rico Dowdle in the hole. I'm like, bang,
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  Speaker 1: it was a hard hit. Gonzalez, same kind of thing, though.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe, maybe you're onto something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, your shoulder's not meant to do what
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  Speaker 2: they do.
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  Speaker 1: You still got those power pads, you know, those are
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  Speaker 1: the ones that, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, like, Barmore, I think, happened because he
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  Speaker 7: tried to make a tackle with one arm, and, like,
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  Speaker 7: it probably popped a little bit when he made the tackle.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't, like, I don't think it's all just, like,
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  Speaker 7: lowering the shoulder into people, you know, that is causing them, like,
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  Speaker 7: but maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: All right. Anyway, so that's your participation report for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 6: Barmore's probably, well, he does have something because he was.
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  Speaker 2: In and out of the game. Yep.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, who knows? Like if it wasn't a blowout,
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  Speaker 7: how much he would have played in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 7: but he didn't play.
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  Speaker 5: But he did return to the game initially after getting hurt.
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  Speaker 5: And you're right. Maybe he would have played the whole
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  Speaker 5: way had the game been competitive.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, Moses has the foot. That's a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: So that right side of the offensive line, we're going
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  Speaker 6: to have to keep an eye on that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's in flux right now, don't you think?
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  Speaker 1: It is, and that's where their best pass rusher most
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  Speaker 1: often lines up, too. I just saw the report that
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  Speaker 1: they signed Matt Pryor off the Arizona Cardinals practice squad,
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  Speaker 1: who's a versatile, experienced guy. He's played 11 years. He's
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  Speaker 1: played everywhere but center, so that's where you're at. You
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  Speaker 1: lose two guards, and some of the other guys haven't developed.
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  Speaker 1: You're really razor thin with the depth, and if Morgan
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  Speaker 1: Moses can't go this week, it might be Caleb Lomu
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  Speaker 1: for a start. We'll see today. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday practices you always temper it a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: you know those are sometimes days that Mike Vrabel gives
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  Speaker 1: guys off. So it could be injury maintenance, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: And I might be guilty of that.
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  Speaker 5: I know you brought up Lomu yesterday, and I kind
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  Speaker 5: of look at Moses. If he's listed inactive, then I'll
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  Speaker 5: be like, oh, okay, he's not playing this week. It's
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  Speaker 5: kind of like Carlton Davis. He was inactive in week two.
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  Speaker 10: It'd be interesting to see how many.
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  Speaker 11: Like, look at every single injury report going back to
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  Speaker 11: last year to see Wednesdays and Morgan Moses.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was out every one of them.
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  Speaker 7: Wednesdays is, like, usually for this regime is, like, if
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  Speaker 7: you have a lingering.
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  Speaker 10: Get right day.
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  Speaker 7: Banged up, you know, dinged up injury from the game,
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  Speaker 7: then they usually hold you out on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're here, but you're in the training room.
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  Speaker 7: So I usually don't overreact to any of these injuries
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  Speaker 7: until at least Thursday.
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  Speaker 10: When, Thursday or Friday? When do you start to care
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  Speaker 10: about the injury report?
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  Speaker 7: Usually Thursday.
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  Speaker 5: If they're DNPs on Thursday, too, then there's a legitimate
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  Speaker 5: chance they're not going to play. And you guys are
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  Speaker 5: poring over the details, especially you, Ev, because you write
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  Speaker 5: up the injury stuff on the weekends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I thought, wasn't it more often than not with Moses
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  Speaker 5: not practicing on Wednesdays, were they... Always listed with an injury?
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  Speaker 5: Or were they usually listed as.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was just.
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  Speaker 7: Usually, time to time. Like, it would kind of fluctuate
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  Speaker 7: or change. He had an injury last year that he
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  Speaker 7: played for.
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  Speaker 5: But it did list an injury and not.
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  Speaker 7: Last year, I think it was... If I have my
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  Speaker 7: memory correct, it was his knee.
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  Speaker 12: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And he.
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  Speaker 7: I remember him telling us, like, I'm going to play.
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  Speaker 5: This concerns me more because it's actually something that we
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  Speaker 5: saw him dealing with.
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  Speaker 7: If it's a true injury and there's something structurally wrong
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  Speaker 7: with his body, then that's a different story. But these
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  Speaker 7: bumps and bruises, he tends to play through them.
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  Speaker 2: The Gonzo one.
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  Speaker 5: is where Gonzo didn't really miss any time. Um, but
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  Speaker 5: as soon as it happened, I do remember on Twitter,
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  Speaker 5: people were, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, not people, Dr. Chow, who, you know, we got
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  Speaker 1: a chance to program.
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  Speaker 5: We got a chance to visit with down at the Superbowl, um,
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  Speaker 5: or out at the Superbowl, I should say. And, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he said, you know, interesting one to keep
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  Speaker 5: an eye on. He has a history of shoulder issues,
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  Speaker 5: which is accurate. So the fact that he didn't practice
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  Speaker 5: on Wednesday, um, It was a little bit of an
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  Speaker 5: eyebrow raiser for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when that happened.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, he got up really slow. Then he
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  Speaker 6: was on the sideline. He was kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: doing this. The broadcast showed, like, Jim Whalen and the trainers.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't get a lot of attention from the trainers.
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  Speaker 13: So, but.
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  Speaker 2: Let's keep an eye on him because we certainly need him.
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  Speaker 5: He was supposed to, he was supposed to, you know,
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  Speaker 5: do his Wednesday at the podium and then sort of
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  Speaker 5: a last minute thing. They came in and said that
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  Speaker 5: he would not be coming to the podium. Now we
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  Speaker 5: did see him in the locker room, but, um, he
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  Speaker 5: obviously didn't practice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just think today's the key day. Cause last week
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  Speaker 1: we saw Woodson come back on a Friday and still
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  Speaker 1: didn't play. You know, sometimes I think they bring guys
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  Speaker 1: back on a Friday just to get them going a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. So, We'll see today. I mean, anything's possible
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  Speaker 1: with these guys. I mean, I would say this is
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  Speaker 1: the kind of matchup where, like, to Paul's point, even
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  Speaker 1: if Morgan Moses doesn't practice this week and he's feeling
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  Speaker 1: good on Sunday, it might be, you know, worth giving
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  Speaker 1: that veteran a chance to get out there and give
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  Speaker 1: it a go against, you know, Craig Rousseau and a
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  Speaker 1: tough D.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a challenge.
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  Speaker 6: On the Buffalo side, you know, there was some talk
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  Speaker 6: about a knee maybe for Josh Allen, but I was
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  Speaker 6: listening to one of Paul's shows this morning and they
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  Speaker 6: had their version of behind enemy lines. And they had
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  Speaker 6: a Buffalo guy, I think Syracuse.com. And, uh, he was saying, no,
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  Speaker 6: he looked fine in practice.
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  Speaker 14: No.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: He wasn't on the injury report. Uh, Christian Benford was, uh,
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  Speaker 7: Keon Coleman has an ankle. Uh, those were the two
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  Speaker 7: ones that stood out to me.
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  Speaker 5: Did not practice.
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  Speaker 7: Uh, but Benford is bit, you know, he, he got
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  Speaker 7: hurt in the game and he, uh, he was in
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  Speaker 7: a walking boot, I guess, after the game based off
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  Speaker 7: the reporters there. Um, So he might have an injury,
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  Speaker 7: like a legitimate injury.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he's going to play based on
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  Speaker 5: some of the stuff I've read. They expect him to
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  Speaker 5: miss some time.
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  Speaker 2: 142 straight games for Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 7: When you're 6'5, 240 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care how big you are in football. That's
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  Speaker 2: pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially the hits you take. I mean, it's impressive.
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  Speaker 1: When we talked about it yesterday, at some point, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've been kind of waiting. I mean, not like. evil
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  Speaker 1: Patriots feeling like you're going to get hurt. But you
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  Speaker 1: watch enough of him, the number of hits he takes,
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  Speaker 1: it just seems kind of inevitable at some point that
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  Speaker 1: he's going to get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Has Barth admitted that Josh Allen can play football?
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 7: I thought he was holding back a little bit today
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  Speaker 7: because he doesn't want to get the Bills Mafia on
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  Speaker 7: his case. So I kept on poking and poking, and
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  Speaker 7: eventually we got him fired up by the end. But
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  Speaker 7: he was... I think he was trying to be careful
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  Speaker 7: about what he said. He didn't want the Bills fans swarming.
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  Speaker 7: And so he said one of his predictions before the
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  Speaker 7: season was that the Bills were going to regress. and
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  Speaker 7: that they were going to lose more games than they
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  Speaker 7: did last year. And so I said, well, they're 3-0, Alex.
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  Speaker 7: And he was like, yeah, but it's early. It still
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  Speaker 7: could happen. It could happen. I hope it happens. I
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  Speaker 7: was like, that's good talk radio because you're married to
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  Speaker 7: the tape and you're not wrong yet. So you don't
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  Speaker 7: have to admit that you're wrong yet because you're not
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  Speaker 7: wrong yet, even though it's very much looking like you're
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  Speaker 7: going to be wrong. So, you know, maybe a little
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  Speaker 7: bit of.
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  Speaker 2: They were 14-3 as well last year.
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  Speaker 7: No, they won 11 games. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 2: I thought they were right nipping at our heels.
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they might be better than they were
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  Speaker 2: last year then.
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  Speaker 1: Don't say that to Alex.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're better. I didn't necessarily think that coming
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  Speaker 5: into the season, but what I've watched offensively, they look
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  Speaker 5: better to me.
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  Speaker 6: No, I think there was that Buffalo old-time writer voice
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  Speaker 6: of the Bills who got in trouble because he wrote
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  Speaker 6: something to the effect of, the one thing that could
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  Speaker 6: hold the Bills back this year is first-year head coach
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  Speaker 6: Joe Brady.
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  Speaker 2: And they didn't like that. Possibly true. No one knows.
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  Speaker 6: But so far, I've been impressed with their offense. And
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  Speaker 6: then you go back to how that McDermott leaving and
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  Speaker 6: then keeping the job in the house with Joe Brady
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  Speaker 6: tells me that Josh Allen wanted Joe Brady.
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  Speaker 7: Well, their offense is the same.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think that from what I was listening to, Joe
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  Speaker 6: Brady seems to be a little bit more wide open,
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  Speaker 6: a little bit– Particularly toward the end of games, he
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  Speaker 6: doesn't get it. Well, so far, they haven't really been
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  Speaker 6: in tough spots. But he doesn't get as tight as McDermott.
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  Speaker 1: The RA.
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  Speaker 2: He's a little bit looser and a little bit more calm.
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  Speaker 7: Like his demeanor?
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  Speaker 2: His demeanor and how he handles the game.
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  Speaker 7: From a stylistic standpoint and a play calling standpoint, they're
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  Speaker 7: pretty much mirror images of what they were like.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever it is, I think Josh Allen likes this guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: That's apparent. I mean, I don't think he'd be the
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  Speaker 7: head coach if he didn't like him.
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  Speaker 10: I know.
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  Speaker 11: That would be like the most sought after job in
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  Speaker 11: football if they opened it up.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I'm interested in Paul's thing. How do you
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  Speaker 1: sustain it? I mean, and I think what Bill Simmons has,
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  Speaker 1: like the Ewing theory, what was that? Well, like you
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  Speaker 1: trade a good player and it's kind of a coach
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  Speaker 1: version of that where, you know, you, you go from
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  Speaker 1: one guy to a new guy, there's some new energy
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  Speaker 1: in the building and everybody's feeling good, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: the NFL season is such a grind and how are
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  Speaker 1: they going to, you know, deal with some of that adversity?
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe it starts this week with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots. I saw Jim Leonard's comments about Drake May, which,
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  Speaker 1: you know, pretty good. It was like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: can tell he's swimming in it right now. And, You know,
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  Speaker 1: good players come out of this stuff. You just hope
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  Speaker 1: it's not this weekend. So, interested to see what he
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  Speaker 1: kind of has dialed up with this defense to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe challenge Drake. And I'm sure they're all thinking the
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  Speaker 1: same thing we're kind of thinking, where just don't let
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  Speaker 1: them run the ball and put it on that quarterback
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  Speaker 1: and keep him where he's been.
• 13:29
  Speaker 6: Listen, if I was them, I'd go, I'd just go
• 13:32
  Speaker 6: at him. And if we get burned early, we get burned.
• 13:35
  Speaker 6: But I'm going to test this guy. I'm going to
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: put pressure on him immediately and try to, end this
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: game quickly.
• 13:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't want to pressure a lot. They're more
• 13:45
  Speaker 7: of a structure-based defense where they kind of play coverage
• 13:49
  Speaker 7: and sort of win with structure and sound rules and stuff.
• 13:53
  Speaker 7: I think they're a lot more multiple than what they
• 13:57
  Speaker 7: were with McDermott. McDermott kind of played his brand of
• 13:59
  Speaker 7: defense and did it at a pretty good level for
• 14:02
  Speaker 7: most of his time in Buffalo. This defense, I think,
• 14:05
  Speaker 7: has a little bit more deeper menu. They have more
• 14:09
  Speaker 7: in their bag, so to speak, of what they can do.
• 14:13
  Speaker 7: I think that that's what they're trying to do. They're
• 14:15
  Speaker 7: trying to be a little bit more multiple, a little
• 14:17
  Speaker 7: bit more exotic, and have a little bit more of
• 14:20
  Speaker 7: a change-up than what they have at McDermott. We'll see
• 14:24
  Speaker 7: if it sticks. It's flashed.
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: No reason why they can't change it for this game
• 14:28
  Speaker 6: and just try something, and if they have to adjust,
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: they adjust.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I would put the pedal to the
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: metal right off the bat.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that would be, you know, we make
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: a lot, at least I've made a lot of that
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: Sean Payton thing about keeping May in the pocket and
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: not letting him run. I would make it a huge
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: priority if I were any defensive coordinator facing the Patriots
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: to try to hit him as early in the game
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: as possible because it seems like that's what bothers him
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: the most is when he gets sort of, you know,
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: he gets it in his head early that he's taken
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: some hits. I mean, he's not any different than most quarterbacks.
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: You know, quarterbacks don't like to get hit. You know,
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: there's a news bulletin. It's no fun. So that, I
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: agree with Fred. I don't think I would get too
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: aggressive with it. I would make them, you know, stay
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: in your structure and whatever, but that would be a priority.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: Getting after him early and see if you can make
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: him uncomfortable early and make him think, oh no, here
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: we go again. You know, as opposed to, he has
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: a couple of good drives early and Now you're dealing
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: with 2025 Drake May instead.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big thing for me this week. I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: think I've seen enough Josh Allen games now to know
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: that it's a roller coaster against him, and he is
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: going to make plays, and you have to have a
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: degree of mental toughness to go toe-to-toe with him and
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: be willing to say he's going to get his. They're
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: going to make some plays. James Cook's going to bust
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: off a big run. I want to see the Patriots
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: be able to handle that adversity better because right now
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: this scares me a little bit. If Josh Allen comes
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: out and goes, bing, bang, boom, eight plays, touchdown, 7-0
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: right out of the gate, Is this Patriots team going
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to talk tail, or are they going to say, all right,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: our turn, let's make some plays?
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: For the Patriots offense, especially with what's going on on
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: that right side, would you, on a high percentage of
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: your plays, spread things out and.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Run your offense that way?
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: And maybe try to give Drake May a little bit
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: more time, but obviously get the ball out of his
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: hands as quickly as possible.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: But spread... Spread the Bills' defense out.
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: We were talking about that on Catch-22 because I think
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: everybody's writing their, like, how do you fix the Patriots'
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: offense think pieces right now. And just looking at the data,
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: you know, they're... They're ninth in under center rate, but
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: they're 31st in EPA per play from under center. So
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: they're one of the worst under center offenses in football.
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: And we can talk about why, but it seems to
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: me like just from a statistical perspective, and it's still
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: only three games, but they're at least better from shotgun,
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: especially on like a per play basis. than they are
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: from under center. And I, you get to a point
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: in the season when you start to get, you know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: four or five games into the year where you kind
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: of know what you're good at and you know what
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: your personnel and what your strengths are and things like that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: And this team might just not be built to be
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: heavy under center and a heavy run game from under center,
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: that just might not be a strength of theirs. So
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: I think the bills, uh, regardless of the bills, I
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: think that, you know, in general, uh, putting Drake may
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: in the shotgun more, it might be a good approach.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And I say run from that formation too.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, we were talking on, on catch about, you know, it,
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: running the ball into lighter boxes by spreading them out.
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: You know, I go back to Travion Henderson's touchdown against Pittsburgh.
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: They were in shotgun. They spread out the Steelers defense.
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: They got them into a six man box and they
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: hit a 40 yard run against it. Like those are
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: the types of things that I think they are probably
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: thinking about of like, okay, what can we do? Well,
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: what are we good at? And you know, they're 18th
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: and EPA per play from shotgun. And that's what Drake
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: may turn the ball over. So, like, if you don't
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: stop turning the ball over, like, the efficiency is going
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: to obviously be even better. So I think that that's,
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: you know, clearly where we're trending right now is that
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: they can still be a pretty explosive offense out of shotgun.
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: It's the under center stuff that's killing them. And that's
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: a lot of first down, you know, and then you're
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: in second and long, third and long, and here we are.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: There's our guy.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: What are you pointing at? Oh, Paul Perreault on TV.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: A lot of long pauses yesterday.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: They didn't let you talk a lot yesterday.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: It had nothing to do with lead.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I was good.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: That was tough.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: That was tough. I was listening to a little bit
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: toward the last 15 minutes.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: I was good.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Tap dancing a little bit. I was good. No, I was.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was perfectly fine for one of those rare
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: times of me not inserting myself into the conversation. But
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: in all seriousness, like, you know, you're right. Well, the
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: way we started the show, like that's the that's the
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: story is Drake May showing up in the injury report.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: No one knows, you know, what the actual truth behind
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: the matter is. So it's leading to a lot of speculation,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: which is fine on my shows. not so fine for
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: me individually.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: And people say, oh, maybe they just put him on
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: there to screw with the media.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Don't screw with the injury report because you can get
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: in trouble with the league doing that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think it has anything to do with the media.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: No?
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: I don't. All right.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Well, even giving him a baked-in excuse, I'm not buying
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that either. All right.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: 855-PATCH-500 is the hotline. Podcasts at Patriots.com is the email address.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: We got a lot of emails.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: We got a lot of calls stacked up.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: People need to get it in before we get to
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: their picks at about, let's see, we're doing our show
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: to 1 now, so about 1230.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: So let's start with Herm and DC. What's up, Herm?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Herm!
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on. I didn't make you wait that long.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: All right, you're done. Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: He's done. I like it. Yeah. How about Zach in Utah?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: What's up, Zach?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Hey, guys.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: I just got, like, three quick, sort of quick things.
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: I just want to ask where Kwani is on the
• 20:25
  Speaker 14: post-game show. And then I want to talk about this
• 20:29
  Speaker 14: last game. There's, like, a lot of pessimism, but I
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: felt like we moved the ball well. For, like, the
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: most part. We had, like, three drives, three or four
• 20:38
  Speaker 14: drives with, like, 10 or 11 plays just not scoring right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: And then the last thing is about Elliot Wolfe and
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: just how he keeps having, like, I feel like he's, like,
• 20:49
  Speaker 14: getting no flack for, like, anything. Like, he has only
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: had one good draft. He decides to get Romeo Dobbs
• 20:59
  Speaker 14: over Steph Diggs. I just don't get why he's not
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: getting his back for building a good and competitive team.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, like you said, last year was a good draft.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: We'll see. This year still has to play itself out.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Draft doesn't look as good in year two as it
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: did in year one. Just saying.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, they're still going to get Campbell, Craig Woodson,
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: And I would say that Travion Henderson is still a
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: useful player. Maybe he's not a star player, but he's
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: still going to be in a platoon and be a
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: productive player.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I think you have players.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that they look as good as they
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: did at this time last year. You know what, Henderson, Wilson, Williams.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Well, right now they don't, but like I said, let
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: it play out. I think you're getting to know these
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: players now. You didn't have to let it play out
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: last year, I guess.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: No, you're getting to know them. You're getting a full
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: sample size now of what they are.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: That's my point.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm concerned about the drafts. I just think, like,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the clock is ticking. And we heard from Mike Frabel
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: this summer in year two, we don't have great depth
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: on this roster. How do you get great depth? You
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: draft well. You know, you acquire players. We saw it
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: again today. They had to go grab somebody off a
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: practice squad. It's another. I mean, off the top of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: my head, I can't tell you how many guys weren't
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: here in training camp that are now presently on the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: team and going to be required to contribute.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: To this team.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: They're going to be hitting double digits, right?
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's close. So I just, you know, they've got
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to build out this depth. That's just such a critical thing.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And I like the star players of it. And I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: love Elliott Wolfe's aggressiveness whenever a good receiver has come available.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It seems like they're in the mix and they're kicking
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the tires on them. And, you know, they did a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: great job acquiring A.J. Brown and, you know, giving up,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: be willing to give up a first round pick to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: give Drake May that kind of talent. So it's great
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to talk about the talent. But then when we talk
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: about the depth, like I think that's where you sustain excellence.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: That's where you are able to, you know, we saw
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: it for 20 years and that's probably impossible to recreate that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But you guys know the players that emerged and suddenly
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: became contributors and injuries would happen. A guy would step in,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you know, Ty Law gets hurt. Asante Samuel steps in,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: gets his opportunity. And now he, you know, like those
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: kinds of continuity things happen frequently that allowed you to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: stay competitive. And what we all want is this team
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to be a consistent competitor with Drake May at the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: helm and, And it's hard to see you being able
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to build that kind of program when you're saying, well,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: we've got one or two guys every draft. Like, you
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: need more. You need a draft where you hit a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: bunch of those kind of players.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the Elliott Wolfe stuff is because most
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: people think the buck stops with Mike Frabel. So, like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: you know, I understand that Elliott Wolfe has the title.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: And I'm not saying he doesn't do anything, but, like...
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: When it comes to the drafts and when it comes
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: to player personnel and stuff like that, I think most
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: people look at it and say, well, the person to
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: blame for all of it is Mike Vrabel. And I
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: think day three draft picks, too, part of that's developing them.
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: Once they get here, you also have to coach them
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: and develop them, too. you know, it's not, it's obviously
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: a huge part of his identifying, but development is a
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: big part of it too. So I think it all
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: goes like, it's all, you know, they like to say
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: it's like kind of that nucleus of him and Cowden
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: and stretch and Wolf. And like all of them kind
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: of share in the responsibility when it comes to roster building.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I just, I mean, I, I, I can't lie. I mean,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I think the dress have looked largely similar, similar to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: me and the best players they've gotten have kind of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: been by default because that, you know, like Drake may,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: falls in their lap. Christian Gonzalez falls in their lap.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: They can take Will Campbell. They're there.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: They take him.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Those guys, I think, have been pretty good, but the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: farther you get away from that first round, the harder
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and harder it is to find players that are contributing
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Okay. Let's go to Owen in Amden. What does that say? A-M-D-E-N?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: What's Amden? What's up, Owen?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: How's it going?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: The Patriots offensive line has been struggling, and they've sunken
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: so many resources into it. Big free agent in Vera
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Tucker and two first-round picks at tackle. They seem to
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: like smaller athletic offensive linemen, which doesn't really fit the
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: rest of their offense. They like big-bodied receivers. They have
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: a big-bodied running back. Offensive line is the last place
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: on the offense I would want to be small and undersized.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Do you think they need to readjust the way they
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: look for offensive linemen?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm not sure of the answer to that. Are
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: they that much smaller than most?
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I know there's some behemoth offensive lines, like the Eagles
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: have a big one.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: So I would say there's nothing wrong with identifying those
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: players as the type of players that you want if
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: you're running a scheme that marries the offensive linemen that
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: you're drafting.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: If you're doing zone run game or something like that. Right.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: If you're an outside zone team... heavy outside zone team,
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: you want more athletic guys because you're moving laterally across
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: the field and you have to reach blocks and you
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: have to get out in space and move. If you're
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: going to run duo or lead or things up the
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: gut at the defense, then you usually want Mike on
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: when he was on your offensive line, road graders, you
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: on road graders. So, I think that that's a bigger
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: picture conversation, and I'm delicately tipping around, that you need
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: to have of, like, what kind of scheme do you
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: want to be? And does that scheme marry up with
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: the players that you're drafting to play on the offensive line?
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, so just looking at it from what they have
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: and what they've chosen, do you think they want to
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: be this outside zone team, or do they want to
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: be road graders?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And if they want to be road graders, did they
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: do it right?
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: I think that they want to be... a really good
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: pass blocking team.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: Cause I think they want Drake may to be the
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: focal point of the offense. And I think that they
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: want him to be, uh, you know, protected. And so
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: they have drafted guys like Campbell and guys like low
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: moon guys like Jared Wilson, because typically more athletic offensive
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: linemen are also better pass blockers. The other thing I
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: think they want to do is move the pocket more.
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: And if you're going to move the pocket, well, not
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: only do you need to have the wide zone runs
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: to move the pocket off of, but you also need
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: to be able to have the offensive lineman be able
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: to move the pocket. So like, I think all of
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: these things that I actually asked Elliot Wolf about this
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: at the draft after they drafted Caleb Lomu, when we
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: had him on the show and he's, those are the
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: two things he pointed to were pass blocking, being an
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: emphasis and being a priority is number one. The number
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: one thing they look for in their offensive lineman is
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: the ability to pass block. That's the most important thing
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: to them. And then number two, you know, he talked
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: about having, you know, the ability to be a little
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: bit more, you know, wide zone and moving pocket heavy, but,
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: which also takes athletic offensive linemen. But if you're going
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: to do that again, like running duo and running lead
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: with the fullback and running power and running these plays
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: where guys need to move people on the line of
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: scrimmage to get run game success, that's not a marriage,
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: in my opinion.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you're looking at this offense so far,
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: I would say they kind of have a mixed identity,
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: and they really haven't found their identity yet.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: I would say the second part of that is true.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: What can they hang their hat on that they've done
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: well offensively through three games? There's really not a lot
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: that you could say. I mean, I'm sure that Evan
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: could pour over all the numbers and find something that
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: spikes EPA.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I did. I mean, we were talking about Gilliam yesterday.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: And we looked at the numbers, and his participation is
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: actually less than it was in Buffalo.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Not much more.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: It was about the same.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Just a little bit less.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: If it had gone up, then we could say, oh,
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: they want to be more fullback heavy, lead, that type
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: of thing.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: But we haven't seen that yet.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: So the question is, with Reggie Gilliam, is he just
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: a little bit of a different kind of fullback player?
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: than a Jakob Johnson or a James Devlin that's going
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: to meet the linebacker in the B-gap and clean them
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: out and open the hole for the running back. if
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: you're in a little bit, like I think fullbacks can
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: play in a lot of different formations. And like, I
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: think looking at him at, in Buffalo, you know, they
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: ran that wine back play with him a lot where
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: he was like coming across the formation and then up
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: to the linebacker with like a head of steam going
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: up to the linebacker. And it was like a little
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: bit more of like a motiony sort of play that
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: wasn't just like, we're just going to send the hammer
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: through the B gap.
• 29:30
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: So like I, you know, to Paul's point about like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: things spiking, and when I, you know, try to find
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: anything that they're good at offensively, like their shotgun offense
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: has actually been pretty explosive so far. You know, they're
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: fifth in yards per play from shotgun. They're averaging almost
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: seven yards per play in shotgun. They're exposed to play
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: rates significantly higher in shotgun than it is under center.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: I said this to Alex, like, I'm not a huge
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: fan of being like the Eagles, like that are in
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: shotgun 90, 95% of the time. I don't think that
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: that's the best way to live, but for this particular
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: football team, it might be. And that's like something that
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: they are going to have to decide. Like, is it
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: time on task and we're going to get better at
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: being an under center team? Or is that just, are
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: we not equipped to be a better under center team
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: and we need to change?
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: Well, but, but I remember when we first got Gilliam,
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: you know, we were all thinking, Oh, it'll be nice to,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: maybe have that guy in front of Ramondre Stevenson or
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: Henderson where they don't get hit immediately in the backfield.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: Like maybe they get one or two yards before they
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: get contact and Gilliam would be leading the way. But
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: you're saying that that's not what he does.
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: But it just might, it's not that he doesn't do that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: It's just the schemes in which he's being asked to
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: do it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: You know, like I would just to use a comparison,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: like I would say Reggie Gilliam is a little bit
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: more Kyle use check than he is James Devlin.
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: And when you watch Kyle Juszczyk block for the 49ers,
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: they're not in the dot and just handing the ball
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: off and running it down people's throats. He's coming in motion.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: He's coming across the formation. He's adding on to the
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: end of runs. Like, those are things that they do
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: with Kyle Juszczyk that I think is a little bit
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: more stylistically a fit for Reggie Gilliam. Like, even just
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: looking at him. Like, he's not, you know, he's a
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: big dude, but he's not like a sledgehammer. So I
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: still think he can lead the way for the running backs,
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: and they can be productive in that way. I think
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: that they're in the feeling out process of how exactly
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: he fits into the bigger picture.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Because so far it's kind of the same as it
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: looked with Jack Westover playing fullback last year.
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: Ellen, Wisconsin, what a season, right? I remember back in
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: 2017 or so. Brady was having a rough stretch by
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: his standards. I remember later Gronk coming out and saying
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: he wanted to make 12-12 again.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I remember that. Who's going to step up and help May?
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: If the throw is a little off at some point,
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: a guy needs to step up and catch it anyway.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Maybe then May can start feeling a little more confident
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: and start playing better.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That would help. You mentioned I heard you on the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: radio with Hollins in the back end of the end zone.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: If he makes that catch, maybe.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was just one that really stood out
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: to me. I'm thinking that's a play that's designed for A.J. Brown.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: A.J.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Brown probably makes that catch. No disrespect to Matt Collins.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying, this is not like, Matt Collins has
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: done a more than serviceable job sort of filling in
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: as the pseudo number one guy, right? He's been pretty efficient.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: When they target him, for the most part, it's been caught.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: But that's a play that I think could have been made,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: and I think maybe a guy like A.J. Brown would
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: have made it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: Outside of the taunting penalty, I think Matt Collins has
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: been their best offensive player.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: I'm not killing Matt Collins. That's not the reason why
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: the passing game has failed.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: He's the one guy that's.
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: Actually doing what they are paying him to do right now.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: It's on the quarterback. That hits on something I feel
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: this week, that it's more to me than just making
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the plays you should make. I need somebody this week
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to make a play that they shouldn't make. And I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: mean that in a good way. Something you're not expecting.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Somebody to just make a play... teammates celebrate, we got
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: some energy, we got some juice, you know, and, and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: it does, I mean, even if it's early and it's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: not like necessarily change, it's just a good start. And
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you feel like, Hey, somebody is going to make a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: play and pick the rest of their teammates up rather.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And you know, it goes beyond just, well, the ball
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: hit him in the hands and he didn't catch it. Like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of course, like you have to make those plays, but
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you know, can Ramondre break a run where he makes
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: somebody miss or, you know, Travion again, like makes a
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: cut and, you know, breaks the tackle and, and makes
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a big play. That kind of thing, to just give
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the team, because if it's all on Drake and you
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: go into Buffalo and everybody's just sitting, all right, Drake,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: time to kick it in gear, make some plays. I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: think that's just going to put even more pressure on him.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I want to see this team step up and support
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: him across special teams. It could be special teams. It
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: could be big tackle, anything. Just get some positive energy
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: going right out of the gate because, like I said,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: they come out, Josh Allen, score, nobody's making any plays.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this team has the toughness to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: get into that game again and to find it already.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: When they're down. You know, in terms of this game,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: I know my answer, but I'm stubborn. I think they're
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: three for three winning the coin toss and they've deferred
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: every time. Would you think about if you win.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It to take the ball?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: No.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I would yeah that's why i said you guys already know.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: That's a philosophical thing though like that for me too
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: like i i yeah i i believe in the whole
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: middle eight thing i think i do too like i
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: think they had it set up perfectly last week and
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: then drake made through the pick yep they had it
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: like they had they could have scored there gotten the
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: ball to start the second half score again and now
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden you take control of.
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: The game automatic with it last season too.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah and but even if they were field goal 20
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: years like they could have yeah they could have gotten
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: back they could have just taken back control of the
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: game i i think that there's i love that that's
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: like one of my favorite belichick things i like it
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: is the middle eight i just like joe brady um
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: in the the home opener against detroit they won the
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: toss and he took the ball because he wanted to
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: use the juice.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Of the crowd and the electricity they went right down
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: scored seven nothing obviously they rolled they rolled the lions
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: that night but Just something like Deuce is looking for
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: a spark and something good to happen. Obviously, that can
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: backfire if you go three and out or worse.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Turn it over. I remember even a couple years ago,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: they returned the opening kickoff. And I know they lost
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that game. But you know what I mean? It's a
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: play like that that I just like to see. Let's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: give us a little momentum. Let's not all just be
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: sitting around waiting for Drake. Other thing I'd just say
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: on that, it's like they've been so bad around the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: half that that scares me. And it's like I'd rather,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: if I'm going to give up some plays, I'd rather
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: do it in the first drive of the game to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen. then say, oh, crap, we've got to close
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: him out at the end of the first half, and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: then we've got to stop him at the beginning of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the second half. That seems challenging to me as the game,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and there's less runway to work with.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: He's like the anti-Barth, huh? He just wants to know.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: He's terrified. He's like under his covers watching Josh Allen.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I just think he's good.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Barth is like, don't worry, he's going to throw a pick.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Just watch.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: What's your guys' and gals' philosophy on the toss in overtime?
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, I would kick in overtime. Take the second possession
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: so you know what you need.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Know what you need.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Plus, you've got an extra down. I just love what
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you said. You know what you need. It's like being
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: down nine.
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: I would say that the extra down thing is probably
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: the most important thing.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: The extra down.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: It opens up fourth down. You have four downs at
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: that point. But the way that the first team is
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: doing it now, they are methodical on purpose. They're trying
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: to bleed as much clock as they possibly can because
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: it is only a 10-minute period. I hate that it's timed.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: I don't understand it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: They need to make it 15. Why is it timed?
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Because of what Evan's talking about. You can really control
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: the clock. Now, it's not easy to score in 10 minutes.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Because you've really got to get a touchdown if you're
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: going to do it that way. So it's not easy
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: to control the clock and ensure that you score. But
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: I would go second.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: What if each team just gets five minutes?
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: I just wouldn't time it at all.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: Like, in college, they don't... Never ending overtime. Well, in college,
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: they don't time it.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Like, you just... Yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: It's serve for serve.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Until you fail.
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: You know? And, like, I just don't understand, like, the
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: obsession with it being timed.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: I kind of agree with that.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, football is a game of minutes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: I don't get it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: If you're ensuring both teams get a possession, then I
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: don't really see the need for the clock.
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. You serve, I serve.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: And we serve until someone loses. Would that change it
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: But in college, that would be game in the NFL.
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: If you score on the third possession in college, they
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: force you to go for two after a couple of
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: back and forths. Now, in the NFL, I think you
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: have to drive the whole field. Like, in college, they.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 35.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, some 30, 25, something like that. But that, like,
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: that's college. Like, this is pro football. Like, you got
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: to drive the field. But, like.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: 65 yards.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: But the... Yeah, like, still have the same, like, each
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: team gets a possession, the third possession is game, regardless of,
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: you know, if it's a field goal or a touchdown.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: But the clock thing is silly. I mean, I guess
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: it bails out coaches from being dumb, but, like, how
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: many coaches go for two now? Like, if they have
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: the second possession and they score to get, you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: and then they go.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Because there's no time. Like, New Orleans did it in
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: the opening week against Detroit.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: They went for two. They scored second.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: They went for two because.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: They're not going to get the ball back.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Either that or you're going to tie or lose.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: You can only basically tie or lose at that point. And,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: you know, they went for the win, which I think
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: most guys, another reason why we like the second possession.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Ryan in Connecticut, I don't know ball well enough, but
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Drake sometimes looks a little slow getting everything sorted out
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: at the line. We've seen a few delay of game penalties,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: so I'm wondering, is some of that something the Patriots
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: could take off his plate by having Jared Wilson handle
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: more of the protection calls? Like some of the other
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: centers do, or is Wilson not really ready for that responsibility?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And along those same.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: Lines, do you see any chance they move Wilson to
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: guard and play Ben Brown at center?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I don't see that yet. I think if you moved
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson, you'd probably be moving him out of the lineup,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: unless you get really desperate at it. At guard, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: don't think he's going back.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: He was better last week at center. He had a
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: rough week against Pittsburgh, but they have some good interior guys.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: So does Seattle. He was better last week. The whole
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: plate thing and this is... the quarterback controls the line
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: of scrimmage. In other systems, the center controls the line
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: of scrimmage. I'd say majority of systems, the center does it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: But that's not something in September that you can just
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: flip a switch and say, all right, Jared Wilson, now
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: this is your responsibility. That's your system. That's the way
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: that it's installed and the way that it's programmed from
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: the beginning. So at this point, that kind of is
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: what it is. there there's things that you could do
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: maybe to like simplify, uh, it for Drake may at
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage, but like to completely wholesale change
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: that element of how you run your off.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: They've had two delays on offense so far.
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: Uh, they called a penalty to avoid one last week.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: That counts.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Or call the time out. But I think Morgan
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: Moses was kind of more of the culprit of why
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: they were slower line than Drake may.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Um, so yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: So they did have a delay after that long completion
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: to Romeo Dobbs in the Pittsburgh game.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: But I don't see that. That one to me isn't
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: about this operational kind of stuff. Sometimes on long plays,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: big plays, it takes a while because it doesn't matter.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: When the whistle blows, the play clock starts.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Whether you get one yard and everybody gets up and
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: is right where the ball is or you're 65 yards downfield.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Same amount of time you have to get the next playoff.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Sometimes that happens on those plays.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Matt writes in from Mashpee. All right. 16-year
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: season ticket holder.
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: Discovered the show in 2024.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Haven't missed one since. Thank you.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: From the ball-knower's perspective to Paul, begging for a car,
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: I love it all. My questions are as follows. It
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: seems to me, non-ball-knower perspective. that guys like McVay, Ben Johnson,
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: and Evans Boy in San Francisco are constantly innovating schemes
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: based on personnel, of course, but also to avoid predictability.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: I've seen Josh change the offense over the years from
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: spread in the high-flying years to more QB runs with
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: Cam to a more basic scheme with Mack. And what
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: I view as a mix of all that is it's
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: all of a mix of all that with Drake. My
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: question is, do you think Josh has kept up with
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: the rest of the league on keeping his schemes fresh?
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: And is he simply too predictable, as many have stated?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: That's his first question.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: I hate the play-calling things. I always sort of push
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: back on that. I think right now they're not playing well,
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: and they're not executing what they're... There's plenty of times
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: that you look and you guys are showing us clips.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Mike and Evan are showing us clips of this play. Fred,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: you had one earlier in the week where you saw
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Trevion Henderson.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: All by himself.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: So.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think the game has passed Josh McDaniels by.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: I think he has a good offense. Are there different
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: offenses around the league that I might like more? Yeah, sure,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: but maybe that's because it's more bells and whistles, and
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: I'm not a ball-knower, and I just sort of get,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: you know, I guess intoxicated by all the different stuff. Oh, wow,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: did you see that play? Like, I'm like a fan
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: that way. I kind of like some of that stuff.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: And I know it's a combination of us not executing
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: and the other defenses blowing up plays.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: But there are plays that are there that we're just
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: not executing. And I just look at that Pop Douglas
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: wide open with Drake on the move and he misses him.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: He overshoots him.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: That's probably a touchdown if he hits that. And then
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden it's like, wow, great play call.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: Well, that's the one play kind of wrinkle that they
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: brought to the table is the dash pass. And that's
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: exactly what that was.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is like.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: if you could just hit the ones that are hittable,
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: I don't think we'd be so concerned about Josh McDaniels
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: keeping up with the times because you'd see results.
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: I don't think you can discount the amount of penalties too.
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: And just turnovers that have ended really good drives where
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: they've had a lot of momentum, like give them two
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: of those turnovers back and how much flack is McDaniels getting?
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I also wonder if, um, if there's differing philosophies across
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the league as to how you build your offense over
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the course of the season. And if to me, it
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: seems like Josh likes to build within season and, you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: come out with something basic and then they start to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: kind of build around it and they get to a
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: point now to other offenses, try to install more and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: start from a higher place. You know, I, I don't know.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking, like, is that a different philosophy?
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: I think it's more about what you spend your time on. So, like,
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: all my guys are spending their time on installing motion
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: packages and installing some of the things that I've said
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: that I would like to see more of out of
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: the Patriots. but their drop-back menus are not as big
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: as Josh's. So the Patriots might spend more time on
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: the drop-back passing game so that they have variety in
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: the drop-back passing game, whereas the West Coast guys are
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: spending time on installing the run game and the early-down stuff.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Because that's what it all feeds off of for them.
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: So it's really going all the way back to the spring.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: What are you more... what do you think is important
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: to spend time on? Is it, you know, to me,
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: I prefer the guys that want to stay out of
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: third down and want to bypass third down completely by
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: having really good early down offense. To the Patriots, I
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: would say it's more that they want to have a
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: really deep bag of drop back passing so that they
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: can game to game, week to week, be game plan oriented.
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: This is a big split safety team. This is a
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: big man team. This is a big whatever team. And
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: we have answers to all of these things because we
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: have a library that we can pull from. The West
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: Coast guys kind of run what they run. So I
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: think that Ben Johnson's kind of in the middle. But
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: that's the biggest difference is if you want to be
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: those kinds of offenses, that starts in April. That doesn't
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: start in September. And so I think that's where we're
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: at right now with the Patriots. And I've said my
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: piece about this already.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I know another part of it to me, too, is
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that when you heard last year when Josh was in
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: his bag and everybody was impressed with what he was doing,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: all the defensive coordinators would talk about how much he
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: throws you, how many different packages you have to prepare for.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And you, you know, you have to be ready for
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. And, you know, I just
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: wonder if they're like the defense, they're kind of limited.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Like they don't really like, yeah, you can go to
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: tight ends with a rookie tight end, or, you know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you can spread it with these four wide receivers who
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: aren't great. You know, I just don't think there's a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: lot of versatility to what he can do right now
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: as well. There's not, you know, I think in like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: in a perfect world in my head, I'm thinking in
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: early spring, it's like, all right, Julian Hill, you have
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: a legitimate blocking tight end that can actually block, and
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: you have a fullback now. Back then, I thought that
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: would come in and make an impact like Devlin, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: he's not that kind of player, and maybe there's going
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: to be a different plan for him. But that was
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the idea to me, was that we can spread him
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: out with A.J. Brown, we can go heavy with a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: good blocking tight end and a real fullback, you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and those kind of... Those visions that I had of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: this team have just evaporated.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: And we're not even taking into account the pass protection,
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: which I think that they've devoted more personnel to in
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: the first three weeks than probably Josh would like.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: Over 11% of their dropbacks right now have three or
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: less receivers in the routes.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: That's a pretty big number.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And so there's a tighter.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: The.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Rounds have to be more tight.
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: The fact that I know that off the top of
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: my head. I'm just looking at what... That's what it is. Like,
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: they're leaving guys in to protect. It's seven-man pass protection.
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: It's the split-back thing. It's chipping. And all they're doing
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: is running three guys down the field and then releasing
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: guys into the flats as checkdowns as outlets for Drake May.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: But they're not... Those guys aren't stressing defense. Like, they're
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: not pulling guys and they're not attracting coverage. They're just...
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: And so that's a big part of that is the
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: offensive line. And I've said it before, take the training
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: wheels off of Will Campbell. Will Campbell's been really good.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: I called for that in the pregame, and then early
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: in the game I was like, yeah, forget about what
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: I said.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Didn't look great. Let's see what he looks like one-on-one.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: But I think he's getting better.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: I think he's improved.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't mean Campbell specific.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: I just meant the line, you know, early in the
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville game, I thought there were some times I was like, okay,
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: here we go. And I was like, Mike, forget about
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: what I said.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: Like this week, he's going to go up against Bradley Chubb,
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: who is way past his prime. Like you don't need
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: to chip and help to the left side, especially with
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: what's going on on the right side right now. So like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: just let's see if Will Campbell is actually taking the
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: year two leap. and stop treating them kind of with
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: kid gloves.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: The other part of Matt's question is, I believe Evan
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: raised this last week, but why in the world is
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: the OC not sending Henderson out in the flat to
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: try and beat cover six zone coverage that has been
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: thrown at us? He showed some real flashes in his
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: senior year at Ohio State, catching the ball, and I
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: feel that this could open things up a bit for
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: the receivers.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: So they have and they do, and he hasn't been
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: overly effective in the role as a Patriot. What he
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: did at Ohio State, love it, mean it, but he
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: hasn't really shown that as an NFL player.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: I would like to see them get him vertical more.
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: Can you get Travion Henderson on a linebacker on a
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: wheel route? They don't really do that.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: I would even like to see Stevenson. They did that
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: a lot in training camp.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I thought they were going to look for.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: X plays with the running backs yeah they.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: I think they're not getting man coverage yeah so like
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: you know like they're not getting the matchups in order
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: to start setting some picks that's like you know we're
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: doing when we were talking at the top of the
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: show about if the Bills would go. I would love
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: for teams to come after him. Play man coverage, please,
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: and come after him. If I had to watch somebody
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: sit in a two-eye safety shell against this offense for
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: 60 snaps a game again.
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  Speaker 1: Eyes on the quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to continue to see it until the results change.
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  Speaker 7: They would love for teams to play post-safety against them.
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: They just don't.
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  Speaker 2: But they know that.
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  Speaker 14: Outside of the usual give and take, are there any
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  Speaker 9: Coach Vrabel's been One of the best football coaches I've
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  Speaker 18: I think one of the biggest things why this has
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  Speaker 9: I think we all feel that way in the locker room.
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  Speaker 18: I've loved playing for him, and it's not going to change,
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  Speaker 12: Hopefully you can put something to rest. There's been a
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  Speaker 1: You know, and you were asked questions and it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a.
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  Speaker 2: Yes or no.
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  Speaker 1: Is the shoulder impacting how you're throwing the football?
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  Speaker 2: No, it hasn't.
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  Speaker 6: It hasn't.
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  Speaker 18: And, you know, I think, you know, it doesn't impact
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  Speaker 18: my decision-making and that's what, you know, makes, makes and breaks,
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  Speaker 18: you know, play, you know, for quarterbacks. You know, I
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  Speaker 18: don't feel like we're struggling to move the ball. I
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  Speaker 18: think we're, you know, I'm turning the football all over,
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  Speaker 18: doing things that are, you know, preventing us from scoring touchdowns.
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  Speaker 18: And I think that's, the biggest things for me um
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  Speaker 18: i think we've we've done a lot of history when
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  Speaker 18: we don't turn the football over playing you know good
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  Speaker 18: football and finding out and find ourselves on the right
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  Speaker 18: side of games so that's the biggest thing and um
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  Speaker 18: you know i'm looking forward to you know another good
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  Speaker 18: week of practice and felt good out there today.
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  Speaker 12: Some of the stats suggest that you are still throwing
• 53:42
  Speaker 12: the ball well but it is the decision making that
• 53:44
  Speaker 12: hasn't been there can you explain like why that might
• 53:47
  Speaker 12: be like what is the the disconnect on the decision making.
• 53:50
  Speaker 18: Yeah that's this position i mean you've There's reps in
• 53:53
  Speaker 18: the game, and there's ones that cost you. It happens
• 53:56
  Speaker 18: to be the more that you've got to outweigh the
• 53:59
  Speaker 18: good with the bad by a wide margin to play good.
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: In this position, and that's quarterback.
• 54:04
  Speaker 18: I feel good throwing, and I feel like I've got
• 54:08
  Speaker 18: some throws I wish I had back, as I always do,
• 54:10
  Speaker 18: and definitely some decisions. But at the same time, I've
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  Speaker 18: got to trust my guys and trust the guys up
• 54:14
  Speaker 18: front that are doing a nice job to keep on
• 54:16
  Speaker 18: playing football.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Defines this Bills defense as you get into your study?
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's the guys they've had.
• 54:23
  Speaker 18: I've played them for a couple years now. Bernard in
• 54:26
  Speaker 18: the middle and Rousseau on the edge and they've got
• 54:28
  Speaker 18: some new additions. But these guys that are they're Bills players.
• 54:32
  Speaker 18: They're in the right spot. They're coached well. They know tendencies.
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  Speaker 18: They know what we like to do. I think one
• 54:37
  Speaker 18: of the best things about what they do is they're
• 54:40
  Speaker 18: going to make you earn it. I think that's Bills
• 54:42
  Speaker 18: and we've got a tough challenge. I'm looking forward to
• 54:45
  Speaker 18: getting back up there and Seeing the new stadium and
• 54:48
  Speaker 18: knowing that they know who they have on offense and
• 54:52
  Speaker 18: how explosive their offense is. They do a nice job
• 54:55
  Speaker 18: of making you earn it and making you drive the football.
• 54:58
  Speaker 19: This group coming together last time you guys went to Buffalo.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: What was the key to your group coming together? This
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: was kind of a turning.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Point last year.
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: It was handling the environment.
• 55:09
  Speaker 18: Knowing that we believe in ourselves and knowing that this
• 55:11
  Speaker 18: is every week in the NFL. There's weeks that you
• 55:14
  Speaker 18: want to forget about it and move on. There's weeks
• 55:16
  Speaker 18: you want to build off of. Last week was definitely
• 55:18
  Speaker 18: one we want to move on from and know that
• 55:20
  Speaker 18: we've got a tough challenge ahead. It's a division opponent
• 55:23
  Speaker 18: that we've played before and have a little different staff,
• 55:26
  Speaker 18: but some same players and good players. We've got our
• 55:29
  Speaker 18: hands full, but know that it's a challenge that we've
• 55:32
  Speaker 18: done before. How does Jim Leonard put his stamp on
• 55:34
  Speaker 18: this defense and how does it look different from how
• 55:36
  Speaker 18: it was run under Sean McDermott? Definitely different from the
• 55:40
  Speaker 18: standpoint of what they do structurally. I think they Coming
• 55:43
  Speaker 18: from a defense last year, Broncos that we faced, that
• 55:46
  Speaker 18: was really good. They want to do some of the
• 55:48
  Speaker 18: similar things, but at the same time mix it with
• 55:50
  Speaker 18: their personnel. They've got good players that have played a
• 55:54
  Speaker 18: lot in this league and knowing that he won't make
• 55:56
  Speaker 18: you earn it. At the same time, he'll test you
• 56:00
  Speaker 18: and try to do some things to get you out
• 56:01
  Speaker 18: of plays that you feel like are strong.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: When times are tough, who do you lean on to help?
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: First off, my faith.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: You've got to lean on your faith.
• 56:10
  Speaker 18: There's nothing more important And, you know, my purpose in
• 56:13
  Speaker 18: this life is to be a child of the Lord
• 56:15
  Speaker 18: and knowing that, man, I'm blessed to be in this position.
• 56:18
  Speaker 18: And there's always something I can lean on in my
• 56:20
  Speaker 18: faith and having a good group in this locker room. And,
• 56:23
  Speaker 18: you know, a great wife and knowing that my family
• 56:25
  Speaker 18: has always been there.
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: They always will be. And they'll be at every game.
• 56:28
  Speaker 18: You know, win, lose, or draw and see me after
• 56:30
  Speaker 18: the game. So I know it's not where we want
• 56:34
  Speaker 18: to be and not where we want to start, but,
• 56:35
  Speaker 18: you know, it's how you, you know, fight back and
• 56:37
  Speaker 18: respond and knowing that this league is, you know, it's
• 56:39
  Speaker 18: going to, It's not going to be always sunshines and rainbows.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Had you done those running back drills ever before here
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: in Foxborough?
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we did them during training camp.
• 56:49
  Speaker 18: I think it's one of the things where the more
• 56:51
  Speaker 18: you run the football, the more you've got to protect
• 56:54
  Speaker 18: the football. I think that's different for a quarterback when
• 56:58
  Speaker 18: you're out there and you're not maybe seeing all those
• 57:01
  Speaker 18: same punches until you get there on Sunday. Trying to
• 57:04
  Speaker 18: replicate that. I remember doing some in training camp and
• 57:07
  Speaker 18: you try to mix it in there every now and
• 57:08
  Speaker 18: then because the football is most important. scrambled near the
• 57:12
  Speaker 18: red zone because it looked like you had two hands
• 57:14
  Speaker 18: on it and it still got knocked loose.
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was just talking to our running back coach
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: about that.
• 57:17
  Speaker 18: You know, these defenses are doing such a nice job
• 57:19
  Speaker 18: of coaching it and telling people to go punch at
• 57:22
  Speaker 18: the ball that, you know, even when they feel like
• 57:23
  Speaker 18: you have two hands, you know, a good punch is
• 57:27
  Speaker 18: hard to, you know, really compete with. So, just, you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 18: reiterating and refocusing that, you know, no matter, you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 18: how many times that you can, you know, really try to,
• 57:35
  Speaker 18: you know, protect the football, you got to hold it
• 57:37
  Speaker 18: tighter and know that protecting the football protects this building
• 57:41
  Speaker 18: and everybody's, real life with it. So having that mindset
• 57:43
  Speaker 18: and I think more falling to the ground is more
• 57:45
  Speaker 18: of an emphasis for me. Falling to the ground and
• 57:48
  Speaker 18: not letting it ease up and try to relax when
• 57:51
  Speaker 18: you're falling to the ground.
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: Do you feel like you guys as an offense might
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: benefit from shrinking down some of the things you do
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: just to try to simplify things for everybody?
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: I think it's... It's really about us making the plays go.
• 58:06
  Speaker 18: I don't feel like we're going out there and getting
• 58:09
  Speaker 18: outmatched and not moving the football.
• 58:11
  Speaker 9: There's plays out there to be made. There's throws for
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: me to make.
• 58:15
  Speaker 18: In the run game, there's extra little straight and blocking
• 58:18
  Speaker 18: and holes for the backs to hit that you've seen
• 58:21
  Speaker 18: and we've seen. I feel like we've had the right
• 58:23
  Speaker 18: plan going into it. I don't think shrinking it or
• 58:27
  Speaker 18: changing the whole thing is going to really He'll benefit us.
• 58:30
  Speaker 18: We've got a good core of what we like to do.
• 58:33
  Speaker 18: We've established in training camp and just finding the times
• 58:35
  Speaker 18: and finding the ways and making them go. We just
• 58:38
  Speaker 18: talked about making them go. It starts with me making
• 58:40
  Speaker 18: them go and making good decisions.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: How would you describe what Romeo Dobbs has brought to
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the receiver room and where your connection is with him
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 58:48
  Speaker 9: I missed him on the third down. I love what
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: he's been doing.
• 58:52
  Speaker 18: He's just been putting his head down and working ever
• 58:55
  Speaker 18: since the first game and I think I'm only gaining
• 59:00
  Speaker 18: more and more trust in Romeo, and he's doing some
• 59:02
  Speaker 18: great things blocking the run game and kind of you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 18: joining in on the efforts of, you know, becoming, you know,
• 59:07
  Speaker 18: what we like to do on offense and this football
• 59:09
  Speaker 18: team with Coach Raves, and that's, you know, effort and
• 59:12
  Speaker 18: blocking downfield and doing the little things right, and I'm
• 59:14
  Speaker 18: really proud of how he's handled things and looking forward
• 59:17
  Speaker 18: to seeing him, you know, keep doing his thing.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: And now, great moments in.
• 59:25
  Speaker 20: He said that there's an episode of Breaking Bad, which
• 59:27
  Speaker 20: I know you were a big fan of, which had
• 59:29
  Speaker 20: a cork-sniffing incident in it, and they were scolding you
• 59:32
  Speaker 20: for not remembering that fact. And you conveniently didn't read
• 59:37
  Speaker 20: their email when they wrote into the show about it?
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: So we're sourcing.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Our source now is a fictional television.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that you don't play both sides. You
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: don't play it fairly here.
• 59:46
  Speaker 20: The guy writes in offering alternative evidence and you refuse
• 59:49
  Speaker 20: to read it.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Again, your evidence is a fictional television show.
• 59:52
  Speaker 20: That's not my evidence.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sticking up for the... You just use it, Mr.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Brown Cable.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not using it as evidence.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 59:59
  Speaker 20: I'm sticking up for the guy who wrote in and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 20: was saying that you should have remembered that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should have. I don't know. There was like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: nine seasons, so I don't know. All I know is
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: that it's settled law now. No, it's not. It courts things.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking that you should change your
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: fundraiser from a wine tasting to an ass tasting.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, that was a mic drop right there. That was rude.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: All right, back here at Patriots Unfiltered. 855-PASS-500 is the hotline.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: Podcasts at Patriots.com. This is an interesting one. Caught my attention.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: Fred, we've got to do something.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Fred. We'll come right back to you.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Well, how do you know I wasn't going to say co-pilot? Oh,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: Are you?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: All right. Go ahead. Okay, fine.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it's time for the Copilot Question of the Week
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: presented by Microsoft Copilot, where every day is game day
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: and where every decision is powered by insight and innovation.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Microsoft technology helps to make decisions faster, insight sharper, and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: strategies more adaptive. And today we're going to talk a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: little bit about Josh Allen versus the Patriots. Paul, do
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: you want me to start with my stump the grump
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: question or should we work our way to it?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: Why don't you work your way through?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I'll work my way through.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Of course, save the best for last.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Patriots were 7-0 against the Bills 2016-2019. Josh Allen took
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: over in late 2018. Rough first two outings for him.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: One TD, five interceptions. But I think you've said in
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the past, Paul, kind of felt like he turned a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: corner maybe in that late game in 2019. He had
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns. They lost 24-17. Good game, though. No interceptions.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Saturday game. Saturday game. You don't forget those. And then
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: it felt like. Really, the wheels kind of tended to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: turn after that point as Josh Allen then beat the Patriots.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Not a great performance in 2020. I forgot this one.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe you remember 24-21. Just one interception. Yeah, not great.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: But then 39-9 in that second one. But, Paul, my
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: question for you is, of course, can you name off
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: all the games the Patriots have beaten Josh Allen since 2020? Oh, well,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: they beat.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: Him here in a game– Oh, God. Was it two years?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: It was last year at Belichick? Did he beat him here?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: In a home game? And then they obviously won the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: game that doesn't really count.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: The wind game?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 10: The wind game?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: The game here that Allen started.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Correct. Didn't play. One snap and then got out. Right.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: He started just to keep his streak going. That was
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: like second to last game in 24. That was the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Joe Milton game. Right.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: And then the wind game, 14-11. That's right.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: 14-10.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: 14-10.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: 14-10? Correct.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Three games?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: And then last year?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: And then last year. Very good. Not the hardest question
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I'm asking there.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: Well, the game that you'd forget is the Joe Milton game. Right.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't have won that game.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: Right. But I'm saying, like, Josh Allen didn't play. He
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: played literally one.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I think he played the first play.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Or maybe the first series.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: And, of course, the playoff game when Josh Allen threw
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: five TDs in a 47-17, beat down 157.6. player rating,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: quarterback rating.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: In that one.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: But, you know, guys, they have been a little bit
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: closer in recent memory. But I think looking at the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: recent results, even though they've kind of, you know, other
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: than the 35 they gave up here, they've kind of
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: before that kept them in the 20s. But to me,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: that says Patriots are going to have to get at
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: least to the 20s to be able to match this week.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: So it hasn't been great all the time. But Josh Allen,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you got to respect him. He's done a pretty good
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: job here.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's to the point now where if you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: don't force turnovers, you're not keeping them under 30.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: And that's the key.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: Because if you look at those games, the games that,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: you know, like last year, what was it, 23-20? They
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: beat them?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Last year? Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: Three turnovers for Buffalo. So if you don't force turnovers,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: you're not keeping them under 30.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 11: And would they have five turnovers last week?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 10: Still won the game.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Did not matter.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Won the game. Still scored 24 points. Chargers can't move
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: the ball.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: So there you go. There's your co-pilot question of the week.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: All right. Dylan in Nashville writes in, headline, how to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: get Paul a new car.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: I was listening to yesterday and heard about the rusty
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: state of Paul's car.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Here's my proposal.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: One.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Start a GoFundMe.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: If every diehard PU listener gets five bucks, we'd have
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: a good start.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: I've tried to galvanize the listeners to do that already.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Do you know how fast I would end up in prison?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I will pledge ten.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 10: Why?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: Two GoFundMes for, like, regular people.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: It's not like you're not. No, it's not. You're not
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 10: lying about what it's for. No.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Buy me a car.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not lying. We're not saying it's for one
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: thing and then doing another. We're saying it's for Paul's car.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 10: People donate it to Lindsay Clancy. I think they donate
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 10: to you.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: Anyway, I pledge ten dollars. Two, Christian from L.A. matches
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: the GoFundMe so Paul can buy a high-quality pre-owned Toyota
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: from buyatoyota.com. And then three, the caveat is Paul needs
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: to put a large decal on the back that says,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: I love Christian from L.A.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Would you do that?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: For a free car?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: For a free car.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: I would absolutely put a sticker for Christian on the back.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 10: What if we expense you a car again?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 11: Figured out some marketing deal with toyota but you have
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 11: to have it wrapped in unfiltered branding.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Right constantly everywhere you go.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 11: Like the patriots foundation minivan like that's you but it's
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 11: patriots unfiltered i do.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: I love this show i do i love this show
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: hey patriots unfiltered this morning when we were walking in
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: and i you know we were in the parking lot
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: i was like yeah and i just looked at him
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: i go Gotta hurry, picks. And you started laughing.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I go, I love this show. I respect the game, though, Paul,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: as someone who's only had a couple cars in my life.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: But that's the way to win. And you're doing it, too, Alex.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Drive that sucker into the ground.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 10: I'm going to hit three hundos soon.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: I just went over. This isn't why I do it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: I do it because I have no alternative. I know
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: Evan thinks that I'm exaggerating.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I'm really not.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: I have no money to buy a car right now.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: But If you look at any of those things, any
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: money people, any finance talk, it's in the top three
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: of things to do that people tell you is do
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: not have a car payment.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: That's when you're winning financially. When you have a car
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: and it's paid for, that's when you win.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: As long as you take that money and put it aside.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Get ready for that down payment that's coming down the road. No,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: like what did.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: Warren Buffett drive?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 11: Like an old pickup truck for years?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I've never– it's not even about– like I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: don't really– I'm not fascinated by fancy cars anyway. I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: would have just another probably sedan that I have now.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: I don't need anything too special.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 10: Nothing bigger.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: No, it's too much gas. I go through gas like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: it's unbelievable.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Not for it.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 10: You could get a hybrid.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: I can't afford that. Electricity.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 10: The GoFundMe.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Plug it in.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: In 2027, there's going to be some affordable hybrids coming out.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: So where does my GoFundMe ability to use this stop? Like,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: can I also get out of credit card debt when
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: I do this? As long as I just tell everybody, look,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: I've been a little bit reckless and I've got myself
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: in some problems. Can you guys get me? Like, is
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: that okay as long as you're up front? No, that's slimy.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: No, I don't think it is as long as you're
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: up front. Now, people might say, screw you. I got
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: problems too.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 11: You're not lying about a diagnosis. If people are willing
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 11: to give to you, they know what it's for, so
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 11: they will.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: People get in trouble with scams, and this wouldn't be
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: a scam. I wouldn't be telling you what I'm doing.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Fund my return.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: But no, I do not feel comfortable doing that.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 11: It's like a panhandler saying, I'm going to buy booze
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 11: and drugs.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 10: Hey, respect. You're honest. Here's five bucks. Knock yourself out.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't need that much.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: A hundred grand.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: 100 grand.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 10: I think we get you a card. The credit card stuff,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 10: that's on you. You can figure that out. But, like,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 10: the card.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: What if I went to Robert and Jonathan and said, hey,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: can you just give me an advance?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: CTC, cut the check.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: They might. Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: They might.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: They might, he says.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: There's no chance. No, alone.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: They're not going to just give you the money.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: I'll pay it back when I can get it from
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: my 401k.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: There you go. You're moving too much, Paul.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: Just moving money around.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: You're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: This is what we do.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: What if you got a part-time job at a car dealership,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 11: and then you could just take a car whenever you wanted?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Lend your celebrity. It could be Paul Perillo's Celebrity Car Sales,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: and if you come on Saturday between 6- If you're
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: not going to take this seriously, then what are we doing?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: I was taking this seriously.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Let's get you in some. Let's get you in. Alex
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: actually wanted you to do it. Let's get you in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: the camera.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Another thing you could do is- Cameo?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: Start your own podcast, create an LLC, and then start
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: writing off everything to your business.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: So then if you buy a car, you can say
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: it's for business.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: And you can get yourself.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: A sick car.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: Find yourself one of those nice Toyota SUVs.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 11: I think if it's over 2,000 pounds, you can write
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 11: it off. That's why people have Range Rovers that are
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 11: all rich because it's so heavy of a car you
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 11: can write it off.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Based on the weight?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: Based on the weight of the vehicle.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: Like under what pretense?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 10: I don't know. Like it's technically like a.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: Is this one of those things you know a little
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: bit about but you don't know?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah. It's a tax loophole. Someone write in.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 11: Someone write in about why everyone gets these big SUVs
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 11: and Range Rovers and.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Because they have money.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: No, but like Land Rovers are not a good car.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 10: If you had the money.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I thought they were excellent cars.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: As someone, my boss in California, she only drove Range
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Rovers and it was a nightmare. I had so many
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: times where I'd have to.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 10: Trash vehicle.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Like it had a leak. Like it was like leaking
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: water into the cabin.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: Someone who's an accountant, please email in or call in
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 11: this show and explain what I'm.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 10: Trying to explain.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: How I'm going to set up this.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: The way out of Paul's Jam is to get a
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Range Rover.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 10: What about a Toyota Sequoia? Beautiful car. They let us
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 10: have one of those for the Goodwill hunting shoot.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are nice.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Would you be sad, though, to say goodbye to that?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: You guys have been together for a while. Do you
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: get emotional when you say goodbye to a car that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: you've had.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: For a while?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: If I answer this question honestly, are you guys going
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: to make fun of me?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: No, because I fully expect you to say no.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: This is my fourth car.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Do you get emotional?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Not emotional, but I'm like, I'm going to miss this car.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: Emotion's a strong word.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been through a lot together. I'm not moved
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: to tears.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not Jim Valvano.
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  Speaker 11: The vehicle must have a gross vehicle weight rating of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 11: more than 6,000 pounds, and you must use the vehicle
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 11: more than 50% of the time for qualified business purposes.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 11: Heavy SUVs have a specific Section 179 deduction cap.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Just going to the 98.5, that qualifies as business.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Driving to work is business.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would definitely be able to do the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: business side of that.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: Because that's all I ever use my car for.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: To get back and forth. And you're not a W-2 employee.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: Does commuting count as used for business?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think so.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm going to have to consult
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: the attorney. All right.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Get Paul a car. Bart Polin writes in, podcast at Patriots.com.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Packers fans.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be a big part of the newsletter
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: this week.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: Packers fans always said that Dobbs is incredibly inconsistent. He
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: can be completely unplayable for a month, and then suddenly...
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: look like a top 20 wide receiver for the next
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: few weeks. In the Steelers game, he set his regular
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: season career high with 96 receiving yards. However, he has
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: always seemed to turn it up in the playoffs. He
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: has two playoff games with 100-plus receiving yards.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is funny that the email that brought
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: this up. I'm clicking around last night, commercials of the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: Red Sox, and I'm just bouncing around. ESPN, one of
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: the ESPNs had NFL greatest games, you know, one of
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: those things. And I was like, I always like to look, oh,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: what game are they doing, you know? And it was
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: last year's playoff game between the Bears and the Packers.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: The Bears go down. Caleb Williams throws a touchdown pass
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: to DJ Moore, puts them ahead. Now they've got to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: come up with a stop at the end. It's like
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: a third and ten crossing around. Romeo Dobbs dropped it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay. Yeah, I've seen that.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: Literally, I watched like three plays of this in between commercials,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: and one of them was a Romeo Dobbs drop.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: And he has had some good, you know, he's right.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: He has had a couple of really good playoff games.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: The same thing that we've seen. I mean, even in
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the small sample size that I've been privileged to watch
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: in training camp and in these games, like it's the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: same thing. He made some plays in training camp. He's
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: made some plays here, but he's also had some bad drops.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: He was known for drops a little bit in Green Bay.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because I didn't really see that in practice.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I thought he showed really strong hands in practice.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: But we'll see.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: Jeff in Canada writes in, I don't know the line
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: for this game. That's not really why I love football.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: But with all that's going on in the Bills' performance
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: so far and the Patriots' performances, I'll say winning this
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: game on Sunday would probably be the biggest upset in Patriots'
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: franchise history since the first Rams Super Bowl. You will
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: be hard-pressed to find one person in the media without
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: Patriot ties that is picking against the Bills.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Therefore, nothing to lose. Go down taking big swings. Maybe... M-A-Y-E,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: maybe you hit a few homers.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. I mean, I think that one
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: in 23 when they beat him with Mac Jones was probably,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: it was a pretty big upset too. But I think
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: the thing with this game is it's week four. And
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: so you have a small sample size and both teams
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: kind of mostly tell you a very specific thing. And
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: that is that the Bills are really good and that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are not really good right now. You know,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: when it's more towards the middle of the season, you've
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: probably seen more examples of ups and downs and, Maybe
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: you've seen some more places where the Bills could be attacked.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe you've seen more positives for the Patriots. But he's
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: probably right. I'm picking the Bills today. I think most
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: people probably will.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Email writes in, Fred, I'm fed up with you.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: Why are you the only one ordering and eating lunch?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: Don't other people get hungry? Let them eat cake. Actually,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: they eat half of mine.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: He throws us the scraps. We fight over them.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 11: I enjoyed one chicken tender today.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Paul doesn't eat anymore. I eat.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: I just don't eat lunch like I used to.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: You don't eat lunch, period.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: No, I do sometimes. Just not five days a week
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: like I used to.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I get a little groggy.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: It's also part of the finances that we've been talking about.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of it, too. But I find when
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I eat, I kind of want to take a nap.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's good radio, whether I eat.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: Before the show. I'm going to be joining Mike. Mike
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: DeSoto and I have a video shoot tomorrow that we
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: have to do. And after we're done with that, we're
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: probably going to go to Red Robin. Probably.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: Right? So I eat lunch sometimes.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Treat yourself. Thanks for that invite. You're more than welcome.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: You want to join?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: Why would you want to come out with us?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Nobody invited me.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 10: Don't you guys go every Friday?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not invite Matt. I don't want to.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't feel comfortable with him going.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Ever since he grew a beard and got glasses, I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: don't know who this guy is anymore.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, back to the phones.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: Now I have to send an email organization-wide and let
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: everybody know I'm going to Red Robin on Friday.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: It was just three of us doing the recording, and
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: two of you were going to lunch, and one.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Of us wasn't invited.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Matt.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: See you.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: The invite actually comes from a different department.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Finance Fridays.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: Fridays, yes. Fridays with Finance.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Sabah is in North Carolina. What's up, Sabah?
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 15: Hey there, gentlemen and lady. I just want to apologize
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 15: for my rant yesterday. I'm a little bit calmer today.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: No, it's all right.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: No apologies. We like angry Sabah. Come on. We don't
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: need apologies. We need passion, and that's what you bring.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Dead serious.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: We need brevity.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: One phone to pick with Paul.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: One phone to pick with Paul.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 15: You said that Drake May was bad starting at the playoffs.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, last year.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 15: Yes, he was not as good, but he was the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 15: only quarterback, if I remember correctly, that threw three touchdown
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 15: passes against the Texans. No other quarterback has done that.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: Hey, you know what else no other quarterback did in
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: that game?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: Fumble four times.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and guess what?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 15: He won. When it mattered most, he won the game now.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: No, he didn't, but the defense did.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 15: And he won the game in Denver when.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: It was a blizzard.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: He didn't win that one either.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 16: Against the Texans, too.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 15: Don't forget that. Was it Texas or the Chargers? Two
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 15: games out of the three were bad weather.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: So remember that.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: They blend together for me, too.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: I don't really care what the weather is. He didn't
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: play well in any of those three games.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Well, he didn't play lights out.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: He didn't play well in any of those three games.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 15: Okay, but what happened before? What was the narrative at
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 15: the end of the season? What was the narrative from
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 15: Drake May? What was the coach all telling him?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: What was it?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 15: Just before the postseason started.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: Why don't you pretend we already know the answer?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: What was the narrative?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: What was the answer?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 20: Do not fumble.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Stop fumbling.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 12: Stop fumbling.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 15: So what do you think he did? He got tight
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 15: in the pocket again. He was playing a little hesitant
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 15: than he normally did. He wasn't as comfortable in the pocket.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 15: If you tell someone every time they leave the house
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 15: instead of have a good day, don't die, I mean,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 15: eventually they get scared and they don't ever leave the house.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: So I will think that has something to do with it. Well,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: I tell my kids to be safe every time that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: they leave me, especially when they're driving.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 15: But I think it has something to do with it.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 15: I'm not going.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: To stop doing that.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: Can we go to the solution?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Okay. Give us the solution.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: So I'm thinking, first of.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: All, move the pocket.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 15: They don't do that. Hurry up offense makes Drake May
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 15: think less. You know, my Tar Heels had a nice
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 15: lead against Clemson last week or whatever.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: Two weekends ago.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 15: You know, the Belichick team that he's ruining. Anyway, their
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 15: young quarterback was his first start, and he played god awful.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 15: And guess what they did? They started no huddle, and
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 15: they started hurrying him up. He played lights out. We
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 15: couldn't stop him after that. Maybe if you no huddle,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 15: the defense flips and falls. They're not in these exotic things.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 15: You get a little rhythm. You think less. And also,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 15: can you do one more thing I was wondering? Tom
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 15: Brady used to do this a lot on your team,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 15: where he would actually, the check down was his first read,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 15: and they treated that as the run game. Why not
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 15: send four people vertical and just check it down to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 15: Henderson in the open field at the beginning of the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 15: play so that he can get some steam instead of
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 15: him being the check down? What do you think of
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 15: that as the run game?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'll do anything.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: It might work a couple plays, but as that's your
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: game plan, I don't know if it's going to work
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: over the course of the game, but I mean, to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: do that once or twice?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, why not? Four verticals?
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: They got to start converting.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Sabah.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: We were talking before the break, before Evan left, and
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: he was saying some of his teams, their goal is
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: to stay out of third down. Well, the reason that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: you want to stay out of third down is because
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: it's really hard to convert on third downs. And they're
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: 13 for 40 on third downs.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: That's 32.5%. That's not good.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: So that's really bad, and it's really hard to get
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: in no huddle when you can't convert. So all no
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: huddle is doing in those situations is getting you off
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: the field quicker. So I'm open to any and all suggestions.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: I would like to see them. I know it seems
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: like I'm sort of nitpicking everything that Sabah said. I'm not.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: I would actually like to see them do some no-huddle stuff.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: And no-huddle doesn't mean you have to speed it up.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Right. But tempo.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: I do think that they could use a little of that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: But they have to execute better. And the quarterback has
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: to play better. It's not about, like, they're telling him
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: not to do this so he does it.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, he has to play better than he's played.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: And listen, if we have to sit there and make
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: one excuse after another, what is that telling you?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: If you have to remind him not to fumble and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: he fumbles anyway, what is that telling you? Or if
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: you have to tell him, hey, don't fumble, and that
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: gets into his head, what does that tell you?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: All these things, yes, can be fixed, but they're.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: Issues, and we've got to figure it out, and he's
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: got to figure it out.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: McClain's in Oregon. What's up? What's up, McClain?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: McClain?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 19: Morning from the West Coast, guys.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: Hey.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Hey.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 19: So I have some hopes for everybody. And it could
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 19: be just what we're talking about is an identity crisis.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: What is going on? I keep talking to the phone.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Can you hear me? Yeah.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: Sorry.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 19: I'm working and got my headphones in. But what if
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 19: what we've got is just totally an identity crisis, which
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 19: I seem to remember last year being a problem. So
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 19: if we had an easy schedule last year and it
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 19: was an identity problem, we did a lot better. And
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 19: on Bill's week, we started to figure it out. This
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 19: year it's a harder schedule, identity problem, and Drake May
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 19: loses all of his confidence, which is why we're seeing
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 19: what we're seeing. Maybe he gains it back and he
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 19: starts to get into chemistry with the team together again.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: That's what I see.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Thanks, McClain.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the hope. Keep working and it starts
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: to come together and starts to work.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah. Let's go to Nick in San Diego. Hey, Nick.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Nick in San Diego. San Diego. Sorry. Mispronounced it.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Okay. We'll go. We'll go to Cheeseland. Chuckie. What's up, Chuckie?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: Hey, folks. How are you doing?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: I'm still cracking up. I just don't want you all
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 8: to go to prison for tax evasion and show over
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 8: to Evan. Hang in there, Evan. Try to talk some
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 8: sense into him.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: What is the tax evasion? What do we do?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Is this the heavy SUV thing again?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 10: No, these are legal loopholes.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: Anyway, hey, back to football. Just kind of carrying one over.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 8: I don't know how much it happens in professional football,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 8: but I have seen it on occasion. Teams early in
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: the season might not show all of their tricks before
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 8: they go play the big game. Anybody think that there
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: might be something new show up on the field this
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: weekend with Buffalo?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there'll be something new. What would you
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: consider something new?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 8: Uh just the tempo i think you all were talking.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: About sure they could do that like maybe a flea flicker.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe yeah how about how about like a double pass
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: thrown by the wide receiver yeah i think this could
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: be a week that they do like they might have
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: another trick player to up their sleeve this week yeah
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: i don't think they're hiding any of their tricks i
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: think they're that they're they're out there in plain sight
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: yeah we've seen them that was one of the things
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: that um Liam Cohen was the useless halftime reporter that
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: they have to give us all the time. Nothing worse
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: than listening to what these guys have to say. But anyway,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: I digress. And he's told us, be on alert for
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: all kinds of trick plays.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the insight. Be ready for a trick play.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: What trick play?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: What formation? Any particular personnel? Look for a trick play.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: But yeah, they ran a flea flicker in the first week.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: They ran a double pass in the second week. Yeah,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: I think they could do some stuff.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Wildcats.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: But I like the idea of, like I said, Saba's
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: idea of tempo and Chucky's is the same thing. Yeah,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't necessarily think that's, like, they have
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: to play better to get into that stance. Like, if
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: you go no huddle and you still go three and out,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter if you do that while huddling.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: But if you can put some first downs together... And
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: you can start putting some drives together without turning the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: ball over, as Alex said earlier in the show. Like, sometimes,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: you know, they have two picks in the end zone.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: That directly takes points off the board. You know, so
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: maybe you wouldn't feel as bad. Fred, you mentioned the
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: Demario Douglas shot.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: That's a touchdown. Yeah.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: So, I don't think it's... I know it sounds like
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: we're just sitting here on Patriots.com telling you how it's
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: not as bad as you think.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 10: Kyle Williams stepping out of bounds.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it's as bad as, like, it looks.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: The turnovers have been terrible. And the choppiness of the
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: offense has been terrible. But there have been opportunities to
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: make plays. They just haven't made them consistently enough.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Put me down for a Caleb Lomu touchdown at
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: some point. I think that's my... Oh, you mean a.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Pass to him?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Slip him out.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Sort of like what they did with Solder back in
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: the day?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: I was going to say something very disrespectful. I'll save
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: it for after.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: To me?
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 10: Not to you.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Not about you. To you, but not about you.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: James in Portsmouth, England. I don't care about Greg Rousseau.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: Listening to Evan discuss the offensive line scheme usage versus
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: player type that they draft, it feels like there could
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: be a disconnect between the front office and Josh McDaniel's scheme.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: If they are drafting and signing more athletic O'Lyman, why
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: are we running lots of duos? and other running plays
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: that don't play to the strength of our team. Surely
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: with more athletic O-linemen, we should be using more motion,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: amplifying what they do well. My bad if I misinterpreted
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: what Evan meant. No, I think that's kind of what
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: he meant.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: No, but I would also say three out of the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: five starting offensive linemen are not that smaller move athletic type.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: Vera Tucker, Awenu, and Moses are road graders. Those are
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: big guys. So I think you could make an argument
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: that maybe there's a little bit mismatched personnel. I know
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: I was going to ask Evan when he was in
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: the middle of that, but I kind of zoned out.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Um, I love taking shots at easy, easy.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: Um, it's not even here.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Um, how many, and serious question, how many teams
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: are on the lead? Do you think have sort of
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: combinations of like that of offensive linemen?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not an offensive line expert.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: It's more traditional. It's the athletic on the left side.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: Big power guys on the right side, more athletic guys.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: I would say Vera Tucker is a little bit of
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: a combo. He's a big guy, but he's also a
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: pretty good athlete.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Good run blocker.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: Clearly Campbell is a more athletic guy. How many teams
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: have something like that? No, I think that's the point
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: I was just going to bring up, too.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's, to me, more the traditional way to
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: do it. Like, you know, and I know we've gotten
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: away from we always run right, we pass protect left.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: You know, like that kind of left-right thing. It seems
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: like it's, you know, right tackles are getting paid as
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: much as left tackles now just about. But, yeah, I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: think that's, to me, that's part of it, too. You know,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: but I also think that if you have all the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: same thing, you're always doing the same thing. You know,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you want to be able to break it up and
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: do a little different. I mean, when you looked a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: lot different to me. than the rest of the line.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, he just looks a lot different than a lot.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Moses, you.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: Look at Campbell and you say, those two guys play
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: the same position. I mean, he looks like a little brother.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: And then you throw like crown over and Marcus Bryan
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: into that. And those guys are like long, you know,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: not as thick as Morgan Moses, but more in the
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: traditional length when you think of tackles.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: Nick in Omaha writes in first in the midst of
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: all the chaos. I just want to say you guys
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: are absolutely killing it. Paul, I genuinely don't think I've
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: ever disagreed with you. Maybe I just need to email
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: more often so we can find something.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Evan, never apologize.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: No one's ever said that before.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: Evan, never apologize for the rants. The more you divulge,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: the more I feel like I learn, so please keep
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: them coming.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: A couple questions.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: Evan, I love the team ball knower. Is that something
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: you and your friends came up with, or is this
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: an established term that somehow passed me by?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Where did ball.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Knower come from? I don't know exactly, but I've been
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: kicking around a t-shirt ball knower, and I think I've
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: got to get them printed. I think that.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Would be a good present. Did we use that first?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think we used that.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: We talked about that.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 10: It started as like a Twitter term, like they know ball.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: I've used it for a long time off of that.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if I got it from someone.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: And more importantly, is there a term for the opposite,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: an antonym for ball knower?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I was going to say Fred.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I was trying to think of a joke quick, and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: you beat me to it on that one.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: Some guys just watch the game and know all that
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: same stuff. It just doesn't necessarily need to be broken down.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: I was trying to describe it to my wife the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: other day and realized I had absolutely no idea how
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: to describe Christian in L.A.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: He's a passionate fan of the show.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: Rowdy, Rowdy Piper.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. Just a muckraker.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But a good one. Like, with sort of like...
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Not afraid to be the heel?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Charisma.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: Like, he's not just like.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: Not afraid to be hated. Or disliked by the rest
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: of the fans.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: The heel turn.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: It's that time of the week, Matt.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: Oh, God.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Tank's head in shame. We all will.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: Okay. At the bottom of the list this week, and
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: I only bring this up because it never happens, so
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be excited about it just for one
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: week only. Fred, six and ten.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I smelled that one coming. I'm simpatico with the team.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: If the team's not doing well, I can't do well.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: You're off. You're off.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: I'm off.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: Your biorhythms are all out of whack. Mike, Alex, and Evan,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: all 7-9. So the inference would be, tough week, except
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: for Paul went 10-6.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: So it was a week for Paul.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: It was a tough week for everybody else.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Paul's was sharp.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: With the spread, Mike, 4-12. That's what I do.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 11: Alex, 5-11.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: Evan, 6-10.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Fred, 7-9.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: And it's just a week for Paul, so he went
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: 10-6 with the spread, too.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Paul running away with it.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 10: That's going to be hard to climb back from.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: So overall, Paul is 31-17 at the top. Alex, 26-22,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: proving that last year's run was no fluke. Mike and Fred,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: 25 and 23. And this is a truly astounding record
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: for the ball knower. This is the overall just pick winners.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: Three full weeks into the season, he's 21 and 27.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Because he uses stats.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: It's analytics driven for him.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: That's why he can't do it. He can't break the
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: scheme down.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: He knows what the schemes are, but he doesn't know
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: whose players are better than the others.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: He can't grind the film for all 32. The Patriots
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: are the Patriots' opponent.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: With the spread, Paul also leads that 27 and 21.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: Talking in third.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 11: Person doesn't make you sound anyone.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: He keeps the book, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: He does keep the book.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: That's probably not adding anything to the GoFundMe, is it?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: Fred, 21 and 27. Alex, 20 and 28. Mike, 19
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: and 29. And Evan, 17 and 31.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: So those are your standings through three weeks.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 6: I need a Patriots, I mean a Red Sox-like turnaround here.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: So I got to get serious.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 6: We'll start tonight. Paul loves these divisional games. It's Pittsburgh
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: at Cleveland. Pittsburgh's 2-1. Cleveland's 2-1.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: Surprising Browns.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: You know the name of the Browns stadium? I didn't.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: Is it Huntington something?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Huntington Bank Field. Yeah.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: So Pittsburgh is favored by two and a half. So
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson, huh? Everybody's excited.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Cleveland, they're back on the train. It's like, he's our
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: guy now.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 7: We're winning.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily sure that that's happening.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: They're trying to push for it.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: I don't feel great about Aaron Rodgers on a short week.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: You know, as you get older, a little bit of
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: physical Cleveland defense. I think I'm going to go with
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Cleveland in the upset at home short week. And I'll
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: take those two and a half points.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 10: I actually like a Cleveland upset as well.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you, that's really disappointing. Because you're going with Cleveland.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: Because I'm going with Cleveland, and now I don't feel
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: great about it.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 6: This is a tough one because Pittsburgh had a better
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: game last week than Cleveland surprised everybody just by going 2-1.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 6: So who's what with these two teams? I'm going to
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: go with Pittsburgh to win outright.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just doing the division thing, you know, home game, division.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: That's why I'm going with Pittsburgh. I think these are
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: actually two bad teams. I'll take the home team, even
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: though they're both 2-1.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 6: Is that an international game, or is this next one
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: an international game?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Indianapolis.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is at Cleveland.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: You literally just said it. It's a Huntington Bank stadium.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: This next one, Indianapolis. It's a Sunday at 9.30.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, there's a London game this week.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Indy 1-2.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: Playing the Commanders 1 and 2 in London at the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, which I hear is lovely.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: Indy is favored by 3.5.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Indy broke their losing streak finally last week. I don't know.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: In this one, I think Jonathan Taylor is the best
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: player on either of these two teams. I'm going to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: take Indianapolis. And I'm going to lay the points. I
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. Do Sherry Harris, Steph Diggs?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, Patriots should still have Steph Diggs.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: He's a great player.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 10: Indy, Indy.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, man. You guys are killing me.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I love by just making my pick, I can feel
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Paul be like, I'm losing confidence. I'll take the Colts.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: I did think about taking the hook, but I'm going
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: to lay the points. I'll take the Colts both ways.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Mariota had his Bailey Zappi game, so
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go with the Colts.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 9: What does that mean?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Was he good? Was he bad?
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: He had a flash.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: He flashed there. He was the thing there for a minute.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: All right, Sunday at 1, the Titans are 0-3, and
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: they visit the Ravens, who are 2-1.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Ravens by 11.5.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Sheesh. That's a lot of points. I'm going to take
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Baltimore to win.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: Baltimore. Baltimore.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: And shoot, I don't feel great about Tennessee in any capacity,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: but just Baltimore is so inconsistent. I'm going to lay
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: the points.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: Baltimore.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 10: Baltimore.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 7: Liam.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will take Baltimore to win the game, but
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: I agree with what Deuce was saying there. The inconsistency
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: for the Ravens and their inability to protect leads. I'll
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: take 11 and a half. There's no reason to if
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: you've been watching Tennessee. They haven't played well.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: Baltimore wins, but Tennessee covers. Blame it on Rio.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: Anyone?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 13: No?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Blame it on the rain. Can you give us a little.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a song, Blame It On Rio.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Blame It On The Rain.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: There was a movie, Blame It On Rio.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, there was a movie.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Michael Caine, but what does that have to do with.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Well, they just came back from Rio, so they're still recovering.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, good. Now I get it. Great. Okay. Great stuff.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: What a game they gave them down there, huh?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good game. All right, New Jersey
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: at 1-2. Visit Chicago at 2-1.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Chicago by 3-1.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: I was getting a lot of love for that win
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: last week.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I agree with Paul's overall take, though. I feel like
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: the Jets have added some veterans. They look like a
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: competent football team. And, you know, Geno Smith's still in
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: that early-season honeymoon mode where he usually comes up here
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: and he lights up the Patriots somehow and then can't
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: function otherwise. But I'll take Chicago. Impressive what they did
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: last week with Case Keenum. I'm going to lay the points.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I think the Jets will start to not fall back
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: to earth, but I think they'll start to look more
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: like the regular old Jets.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 10: I'll take Chicago. I'm going to take the Jets to cover, though.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to take Chicago both ways only because
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: I think Ben Johnson is really looking to score points.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: This is his old offensive coordinator rival, right? They were
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: both at Detroit together. Am I remembering that correctly?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, Aaron Glenn.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: I will pick Chicago to win, but I'll pick the
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: Jets to cover that.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: It's an empty carcass pick for me.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing. I know, Donovan. Great,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: great deuces right there.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: An empty carcass game for me. Just there's no, there's
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: no guts.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: They got no guts.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: My heart's not in it.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 13: Oh, okay.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: All right. So why do you have beef with the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Bears now?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Why do I have beef with them? Yeah.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: Like why? I mean, I understand the Jets.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Like you don't care. The Jets.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: I don't have beef with them. So why is it
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: an empty carcass game?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: My heart's not in the pick. I'm not really sure.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's his carcass that's empty.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: I thought it was more like Cincinnati's playing the Jets.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: It's an empty carcass game.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no. It's me.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: I hate both of those teams.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: My heart's not in the pick.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 10: It's not them. It's me.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Full eyes, open heart. What is it called?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: Can't lose.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: Full eyes, empty carcass, can't lose. Right, right, right.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: Sunday at 1. Jacksonville 2-1 at Cincinnati.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: 2-1.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: Cincinnati by 2.5.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Ooh, this is a good game, actually.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: No love for Jacksonville. I would be disrespected. Feel disrespected
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: if I was them.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a tough one for me. You know,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: usually the home team gets two and a half, so
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: usually I think that's the new thing, right?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: It's a toss-up.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Sugar plums. You know what? I'm going to go with Cincinnati.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Joe Burrow. I'm going to
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: give him a slight edge, even though I'm very impressed
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence last week. I think he's really humming.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: He's got some good pieces. But I think Cincinnati's got
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit more talent, and they're at home. I'm
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: going to take Cincinnati, and I'll lay the points.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 11: This is a tough one for me as well, but
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 11: recency bias, Jacksonville just looked pretty good, so I'm going
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 11: to take a Jaguars upset.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think Jacksonville's the better team, personnel-wise, but
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: the Bengals were so bad defensively last week, I've got
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: to think they bounced back, and there a little bit
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: better than that. But we'll see, because they had a
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: couple of good games defensively. People were like, oh, maybe
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: they've turned the corner a little bit.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Then I talked my son into picking up their defense, and.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: Then they were just awful in that game last week.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: I'm going to take the Bengals to bounce back.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: This should be a good game, though. Two playoff-caliber teams.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: Jacksonville's coming off a huge win, kind of like their
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl. So they might have a letdown, but I
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: want them to beat Cincinnati, so I'm picking Jacksonville to
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: win this game.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: You guys know how I like to have the arguments
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: with myself before they happen.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: So this is one that Paul had a whole conversation
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: in his head before it happened. It's like, this is
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: going to be a really, really tough one for Fred
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: because I know he's going to want to take Jacksonville
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: to lose. Because they won their Super Bowl last week.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: But they're playing Cincinnati, and he can't take Cincinnati. So
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: what does he do?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly that.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: That was 30 seconds of my mindset just this morning
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: when I was filling out the sheet.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: All right. Sunday at 1. Dallas 1-2 at Houston 0-3.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: Big trade for the Cowboys overnight.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Joey Porta.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: Houston by three. The 0-3 Texans against the 1-2 Cowboys.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: They don't know anything about football in Texas, obviously.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Bam.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: That's a strange pick. Yeah, I mean, rough way for
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Dallas to go out. I'm going to take Dallas. Take
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Dallas on the road for a little bit of an
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: upset there.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: What was the spread again?
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: Houston by three.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Houston by three.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: Teams that combined 1-5.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: They just went with the home team.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 10: I'll take Dallas, too.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, I definitely lost the last two
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: weeks predicting this, but I'll make it three in a row.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: I think at some point that Houston defense just reverts
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: to form, and I'll take Houston. Slow down the Cowboys offense,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: which is pretty good.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go with Houston as well, but
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: I'll take those points. Sure, why not? Sunday at 1.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Split the baby?
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: Sunday at 1, Arizona 1 and 2 at the Giants
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: 2 and 1.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, now you often say things. Arizona by 2 and
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: a half. Comments?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Thoughts?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: I think this is an odd spread.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Arizona by 2 and a half, yeah.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: At the Giants.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: I didn't get that wrong, right? It's at the Giants.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: At the Giants, correct.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 14: Well.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Road favorites. I think that's a weird... Home dog, Giants.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: I think that's a weird spread. They just got J.J. McCarthy, too.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: J.J., yeah.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: That's not necessarily why I think it's weird.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 10: I wonder who's going to play.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: You'd think.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, they'd get more... Yeah, I'm torn. Shoot, I'm
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: just going to go with the home dog. I'm going
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: to go with the Giants.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 10: Oh, I hate this one. This is an empty carcass
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 10: game for me. Arizona, I guess.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: I think we've... We've added something to the lexicon. Empty
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: carcass game. I'm going to do two bad teams. I'm
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: going to take the home team. And the fact that
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: I'm getting points while doing it, I'll take the Giants.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: The fact that you think this is a weird spread.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: Probably tells me that Arizona is going to blow doors.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: And I wouldn't disagree with you. It tells me the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: Sharps know something.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: What do they know? I'll go with Arizona.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: Especially with a New York team involved.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: I'll go with Arizona. Sunday at 1. A lot of
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: 1 o'clock games. The Rams at 1-2 at Philadelphia, 2-1.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: Rams by three.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: No respect for Philly.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: This is another good game. I feel like two teams
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: have been a little bit disappointing maybe considering expectations. Puka, Puka. Puka,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Puka play. Puka play. In that case, I'm going to
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: go with the Rams on the road.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 10: Me too.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: I think the Rams have had, uh, you know, a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: couple of hiccups here, but nothing that is too serious yet,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: but you don't want to get one in three and
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden the ball starts rolling and you
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: kind of kiss the division goodbye. You know, obviously the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: Patriots are dealing with similar situation. I'm going to take
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: the Rams on the road.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. Aaron Donald playing.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Getting better every week.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: He was good last week.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: I'll go with the Rams. I'll go with the Rams
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: Um, still sunday at one green bay at one and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: two at tampa bay oh and three uh.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: With jaylen daniels i believe um at quarterback for the
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: bucks um green bay by three and a half.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Ick i don't feel great about this i mean green
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: bay's offensive line is a disaster they can't run the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: ball and tampa bay's offense has been non-functional as well
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: um I'm going to split the baby on this one.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take Green Bay, but I'm going to
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: take Tampa's points. I think this is a lobotomy game
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: for me. My brain doesn't know what to pick. Does
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: that make sense?
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Green Bay, super disappointing season. But I will go
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 10: with them to win and to cover.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: Green Bay both ways? Yeah, I'm taking Green Bay both
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: ways as well. I really like Jalen Daniels, kid out
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 5: of Kansas. My family had a chance to hear him
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: speak at that banquet that my parents were honored at.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: Last spring and came away really, really impressed. But that
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: doesn't make you a really good NFL quarterback, so I'm
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: taking the Packers.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make you Jaden Daniels.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: All right. I will go with Green Bay as well,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: both ways in this game. Okay.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: Now we skip over the Patriots at 1 o'clock, and
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 6: we move to 4.05.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Miami 0-3 at Minnesota 3-0. Minnesota by 10.5.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 12: Oh.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: This is the Brian Flores, another revenge game for him.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't think of that.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: He's going to be throwing the house at your poor
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: quarterback there. I'm going to take Minnesota, and I just can't,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: especially on the road, I can't take points. I'll lay
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: the points, ten and a half of them.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 10: Vikings, Vikings.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, normally I have a hard time on those spreads,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: but not the way Miami's played, and the one guy
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: that you can rely on is out for the year
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: in baseball. Devon Aitken.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Aitken. So I'll take the Vikings.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: Maybe to move to the most unimpressive 4-0 that you
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: can find.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, listen.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: But 4-0 would be 4-0.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to take the Vikings both ways.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: See, they lead the league in punts.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah. They're 3-0, and they have punted more than anybody else.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a soft schedule.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Soft schedule. All right, 425.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: They did win in Chicago.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Kansas City, 3-0 at the Raiders.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 13: 3-0.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Something's got to give.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: Kansas City by four and a half.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is, I mean, Vegas has been pretty good.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Like the Jets, I feel like, you know, got some veterans,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: kind of seem like they're competent this year. But I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be able to do it
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: against Kansas City. I'm going to take Kansas City, but
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take the points for Vegas. I think
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: it's a close divisional game.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 10: I also like the direction Vegas is headed in right now.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 10: And I've been lucky with them picking them. However... Kansas City,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 10: Kansas City.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have definitely been impressed with what Vegas is doing,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: and believe it or not, if this game were in
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: Kansas City, I'd be more willing to look for a
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: frisky upset. But I think on the road, Kansas City
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: has their attention, so I'll take Kansas City both ways.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: Plus, probably half the fans are going to be Chiefs
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: fans anyway.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that too.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, this is a lock. Kansas City wins.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, you won your lock last week, by the way.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, did I?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: Your upset lock of the week was the Colts, and
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: they won.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: There you go. Still got it. I still got it.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: Even when he goes 4-12.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: He's got it. Still got it. Sorry, 6-10.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: With Kansas City. I can't imagine a 4-0 Raiders team.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: I just refuse to believe that.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Sunday, 4-25. It is the Chargers at 0-3. Against the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: 2-1 Seahawks. Oh, God.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: So I did a peek at the schedule, and without
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: anything out of the ordinary happening, they could open 0-9.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The schedule is brutal for the Chargers. Seattle by seven. Yeah,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: coming off a.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 6: Loss to Seattle's... Let's say Seattle did have the top pick,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 6: or even the second pick.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Would you consider a quarterback?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: Seattle?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, to the Chargers.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 12: Oh.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: He wouldn't.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't, but I understand the question.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: What you need to do is get him to break
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: up with Madison Beer, and then you're going to get, like,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: mad Justin Herbert, who's, like, you know, out to prove something,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: and that would be more effective.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: But I would take Jeremiah Smith.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He's good at football. Give me San Fran
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: at home.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: They're not playing.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 7: Oh, sorry.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: I was looking at Seattle.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: In his defense. I wonder why you guys do so poorly.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 7: Our sheet is backwards.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Our sheet's backwards.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 11: Sorry.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: I'll take Seattle at home, and I'm going to lay
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: the points.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 10: I'll take Seattle. I'm tempted to split the baby.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 17: Why not?
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Split the baby?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to lay the points. Seattle, Seattle.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go with them too. Seattle, Seattle.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, they're going to start talking about Jim
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 6: Harbaugh's job soon, don't you think?
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: I don't understand why he hasn't been under more scrutiny.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 6: Sunday, 425.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: Denver, a rare road game. 2-1 at the 49ers, 3-0.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: Niners by three broncos second road game in four weeks
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: almost like half their games are.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: Away well that can't be because there's 17 games um
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: as i said before i'm gonna take san francisco um
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: you know hopefully that the the The Broncos seem like
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: they just start slow, and then they kind of start
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: to find it. That's been the last couple of weeks.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: But I'll take San Francisco. I'll lay the points at home.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 10: Bang, bang, Niner game.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: Per day. So, yeah, I'm going to take San Francisco.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: But I think this could be a good game. This
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: will have my attention on the red zone.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, great.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: Mike, so when you're carrying the show postgame.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: As I always do. as you haven't really ever had
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: I'll be watching this on the Red Zone on that
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: channel right there.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 6: Which defense has underperformed more, Denver's or Houston's so far?
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: I think they've both been just okay. Denver's been missing
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: one of their edge guys, Benito. He's been out too.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 6: I could see myself picking Denver in this game, but
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go with the 49ers.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Bo Nix annoys me. Just this whole He's just so, like,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: he just seems such a hard, like, just so intense.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I just said he bothers me.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, you must really like Cam Scadable.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: I love when 15-year-old Patriots fan Deuce comes out.
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  Speaker 1: He just bothers me. He just bothers me.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: He doesn't punch my face.
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  Speaker 1: He just kind of wins too much. He just bothers me.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: This is completely superficial, just how his face looks.
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  Speaker 8: Face.
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  Speaker 10: Some people have punchable faces.
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night, 820, Detroit, 2-1, at Carolina, 1-2. Detroit by
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: three and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I think my Panthers, hopefully they get my Holy Cross
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: guy back because that would really bring them back into form.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the Lions, but I'm going
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: to take the points. I'm going to take the hook
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: for Carolina. I think it's a close one.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 10: Lions, Lions.
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  Speaker 5: I am going to do the deuce and take the points.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: I just wrote it down incorrectly for Alex.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: I have to fix that.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: Hold, please.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I'm going to audit that.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see any scratches.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 10: Wait to see how the game plays out and fix
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  Speaker 10: it after that.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take Detroit to win the game.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: I'm worried about their defense, and Carolina was bad offensively
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: last week, and they were pretty good the first couple.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: So I'm a little concerned about the Lions' defense, so
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: I'll take the points.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 6: I am going with Carolina to win this game.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to, Fred, but I think I still
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: believe too much in Detroit's talent to overcome the coaching.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: That receiver is the real deal. All right, Monday night, 8-15.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Atlanta 1-2 at Nolans 1-2.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: Nolans by 2.5. This could be a good game.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Great chance for Paul to break down Tyler Shuck. I
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: know you enjoy his quarterbacking. Shoot.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: The ultimate playmaker.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: I think Atlanta is better than I kind of have
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: in my brain. So I'm going to go with Atlanta
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: on the road upset in the division here.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 11: This is the first time I'm going to ask you.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 10: Remind me of the spread.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: Two and a half. Okay, you got to the last
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: game before you went to bed.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 10: New Orleans, New Orleans.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's probably like nine on that sheet that
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: you guys have.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 10: It's two and a half.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: It's two and a half. Thank you very much.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: They've been pretty accurate lately.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to take Atlanta as well. I'm mad
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: at the Saints, so I'm putting them in probation for
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: a week.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: It's Bichon, you know.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: They burned me last week, Freddie.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: Atlanta burned me.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Very, very hurt.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could go either way in this. I'll go
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: with the home team. Which is the home team, Paul?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: New Orleans. The Suns.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Now we go back.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: Hopefully this one won't be fixed like that one after
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: the hurricane.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Right. We go back to one o'clock. It's the New
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: England Patriots.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 6: At one and two heading to Highmark Stadium to play
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 6: the Buffalo Bills at three and oh.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, Highmark.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to keep saying that every time someone
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: says Highmark Stadium. Bills by six and a half.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Six and a half. It's disrespectful. Drop by a half
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: a point.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the Bills in this one.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: It's just they look really good. They've been impressive. The
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Patriots haven't been impressive yet. I don't think it's Patriots
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: are dead in the water. I think they will show
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit more than they've shown through a first
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: few games. But it just it won't be enough at
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: this point. I'm going to take Buffalo 30 to 17.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 11: Buffalo 28. Patriots 21. So maybe backdoor cover.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: No, that'd be a cover for Buffalo. You sticking with 28-21?
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: What's the spread again? Six and a half.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 10: I almost went through the whole time with asking you
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 10: only once.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: So I'm going to take the bill. I just think
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: there's too much offense here. I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: the Patriots' offense lessens the mistakes and increases the production
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I don't think Buffalo has settled in
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: on defense with their new coordinator yet, so I think
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: there will be opportunities. I just think it's going to
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: be hard to get any kind of a shootout unless
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: Buffalo does a lot to help them the way they
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: did last week, to the Chargers. They kept the Chargers
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: in the game doing that. So it's not out of
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: the realm of possibility. But I'm not going to, as
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: we always say, Fred, I'm not going to assume the
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: other team's going to play a bad game. I'm going
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: to assume they play a normal game. I'm going to
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: say 31-20 Buffalo.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: 31-20. Okay.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 6: Well, I can't, you know, I feel like a parent
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 6: who wants to give their kids something, but the kid
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 6: just hasn't earned it yet.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, sure.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: So I'm looking at my son or daughter and saying,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: I need to see this out of you before I
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: give you X. So I'm not going to give it
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 6: to you this week. I've got to pick the Bills,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: but I'll pick the Patriots to cover.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: You know, throw them alone.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like I said on Tuesday, I just want
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: to see them play better. Just play better. Make it
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: a game.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: Make it so that we know you can play with
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: these guys, and then we'll deal with them later in
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 6: the season.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 10: Nice moral victory.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: What's your score? 27-21.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: Six and a half?
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: 27-21 will work.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: I always like to ask Fred the scores because it's like,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: you know, 18 to 11.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: Tell us something like that.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Four and a half to three.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: Looking for back-to-back safeties.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Some misfield goals. So it's going to be a tough one. Yeah.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: I'm excited to get back out there and see what
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: we can do, see if they fixed anything, see how.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Drake looks, see how that line looks.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: You know, every week is a new week of discovery
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: so far this season.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: And you get to see a new stadium.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Brable said. He's like, at the
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: end of the last game, he's like, you just want
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: to get back out there and play. That's kind of
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: how I feel. I feel like there's a little less pressure.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of expectations. I'm the same
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: way as you, Fred. I'll give them the benefit of
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: the doubt early in the season when we watch training
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: camp and we, you know, have some confidence, but They
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: got to earn it back now. They got to go
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: up there and have a good performance and start to
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: get this thing back on track.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 11: I just worry like it's an understandable loss, but then
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 11: it's like, I don't know.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: One in three.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 10: Season can get away from you.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: It can.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: And the schedule is not going to be there for
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: you to just automatically right the ship with a 10-game
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: winning streak.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah, like there's a lot of games that we thought
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 11: were gimmies that are not necessarily gimmies.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 7: True.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of them are, actually.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: But that's because of the Patriots.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because of how we're playing.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: Because I actually think if you look at the schedule,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: there's a couple of games that I thought were going
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: to be pretty tough that look easier. Green Bay and
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 5: the Chargers. Two specific games that I thought would be
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: really tough to win that I Really think the Patriots
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: should win now.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 6: But I think if you come out of this game
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: having competed and we could have had that one, I
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 6: think that will help you.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: Next week against the Raiders. Come on here.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: What's the matter, Alex? You're looking at Paul like, Paul,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: please help me.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 10: I just want to see a functional offense.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 10: I'm down. My spirits are down.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Well, okay.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 10: Hope they pick them back up.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope they can pick Alex's spirits up. Pick
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: Alex's spirits up game.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: And it is hard, though, like you said, Fred.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: It's just hard to just automatically say, well, this is
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: the way. Unless you just, I mean, anybody can be
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: a fan and just say, well, they're going to be
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 5: better this week. Yeah, but it's hard to predict it
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: until you see it.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: You know, it's been several weeks in a row of
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: kind of spotty production offensively.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, what's the show me state? Missouri. You've
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: got to show me now. All right.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: That's going to be it for Patriots Unfiltered. For everybody,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: the gang, we will see you next Tuesday.
• 1:57:20
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• 1:57:33
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