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Bonus: EMFs: Exposing the Truth about Man-Made EMFs (Part One) · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for joining me again on another episode of Beyond Labels.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Stina McCullough, and today I have two remarkable, amazingly talented women joining me.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_02: The first is Jenny DiMarco, and the second is Mary Bauer.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are co-founders of Virginians for Safe Technology, which is a grassroots organization that formed to protect consumers' rights to safe and responsible technology in this fast-growing world of wireless.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Jenny is also the co-founder for the National Call for Safe Technology, which is a bi-weekly call for those interested in combining efforts and exchanging ideas and best practices around working on wireless issues.
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  SPEAKER_02: She also spent 10 years in the television business.
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  SPEAKER_02: She has a journalism degree from Boston University and a master's in education.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's also the mom of two wonderful kids and a wife.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yay! And Mary is a retired radio frequency engineer.
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  SPEAKER_02: She worked for 29 years as a federal employee and defense contractor, mainly for the Department of Defense.
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, they're both co-founders for Virginians for Safe Technology.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: It is my great privilege to have you, Jenny, and you, Mary, join us today.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: Just to let the audience know, I study man-made electromagnetic fields.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: I am sensitive to them.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: So this is something I'm very actively working in in this field.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: I understand the connection to disease and the invasion of our privacy.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I tell you, this short 10-minute conversation I had with Jenny and Mary before filming this podcast, I realized just how little I still know.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I am very grateful for them to join us today on the show.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is, as Mary said, a sleeper issue.
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  SPEAKER_02: People are not aware, most people are not aware of how important this issue is and how it will impact every single person, every single animal, every single plant, every single microorganism that's on this planet is affected by these man-made EMFs.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to dive right into that now.
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  SPEAKER_02: So my first question for you, Jenny and Mary, whoever wants to take it, why should we care?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: Why should the audience care about you talking about man-made EMFs?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, thank you for that wonderful introduction.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to say I'm learning every day about this.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, this is something that's ever-changing.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I understand how you feel.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, first of all, the two main effects of EMS or electromagnetic frequencies are they cause oxidative stress.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure your audience is familiar with what that is and the issues that it can cause in the body.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and a it activates the voltage-gated calcium ion channels, which means that the cell walls tighten up and clump together and don't do not allow the nutrients to flow freely inside and outside the cells, which you can imagine that can, after time, if there's clumping of this around the body, you can imagine that that will cause issues and symptoms like uh, for example, insulin resistance.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's a big one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it also the both RF and the blue light that comes off of these, you know, the phones and the computers and the TVs and whatever else we're we're using it um that emit RF, they both can cause macular degeneration.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: So that is degeneration in in your eyes.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Mine has a um, yes, and Cena just put on her yellow glasses, which exactly you need a tint.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Mine need a little bit more of a tint, but I have it.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, in case you're listening and not watching the video, uh Jenny just reminded me I put on my blue light blockers.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll tell you what, for Christmas, in my kids' stockings, they both got blue light blocking glasses for when they're on their computer time.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I usually don't wear these when we're doing podcasts because uh people have said they make they make them uncomfortable that I'm wearing these blue light blockers.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, but the damage to your eyes is going to be a little bit more uncomfortable than it's making other people.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: I would wear them regardless if I were you.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um so okay, the so obviously the macular degeneration is a huge issue.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, like Stina mentioned, starting from a young age, you these children are now exposed to this, you know, right off the bat.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: The iPads and the phones and the TVs.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, my kids, they have these little glasses sitting by where they watch TV and they put them on to watch the TV.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: And even though it's 10 to 12 or however many feet away, I'm terrible at distance.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, it's still bright light coming off the TV, you know, for however long.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: So just something to be aware of.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: But going back to EMFs, another thing that EMFs um have an impact on is the melatonin levels.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: So both with RF and blue light, again, it can screw up, you know, with the melatonin levels and it lowers lowers it.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so that can cause a host of issues.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: And and ultimately that um it changes the circadian rhythm, right?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: And and what what types of health issues come from that?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh ultimately it's going to be cancer.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and actually, I'll jump in there just real quick, Jenny.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's actually studies now that have associated this drop in melatonin, not just with sleep issues and distorting the circadian rhythm, which changes hormone levels and whatnot, but the studies have directly correlated this drop in melatonin with um the formation and progression of breast cancer and Alzheimer's disease.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that brings me to another one.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has adverse neurostimulation at certain frequencies, which means that it can cause cognitive issues, it can cause Alzheimer's, it can cause the brain fog that we're all feeling on a daily basis, you know.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: So these are just things to be aware of because they're so just as a vast majority, the people that we run into day in and day out don't know a lot about this and don't understand how it's impacting them.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so they may be attributing certain symptoms that they're feeling or that they're experiencing to other things, and including doctors.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so they'll go, they'll be experiencing headaches or nausea or you know, their eyes are changing, or whatever it is.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: And the doctors will say, Oh, it's due to um XYZ that doesn't have anything to do with EMS because the doctors are underware as well.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, if nothing else from this podcast, I hope people just start becoming more aware so they can start realizing that a lot of these symptoms they're probably feeling could be related back to their exposure to EMS.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'll add here, this is an excellent point you've made, because a lot of people who I speak with don't think it affects them.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: They'll say, Oh, I'm not sensitive to it.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't feel the effects, right?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: So let me just add two little tidbits here.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I happen to be fortunate enough, that's the way I see it, that I am sensitive to EMS.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm one of those canary in the coal mines that they speak about in the literature.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: There's actually now a group of people called um electromagnetic um hypersensitive people, or it's called electromagnetic hypersensitivity EHS.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is designated in the scientific literature as these individuals who are more sensitive that when they get around EMFs, like if I'm on someone's laptop that has Wi-Fi turned on to it, then within about less than 20 minutes, I get um brain fog, I get kind of lightheaded feeling, like a dizziness.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: I start getting um like some pain sometimes.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, when I traveled to Tennessee and I was exposed to the 5G of the small cell facilities because of the cabin that we were staying in.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was right outside the cabin.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: I woke up every night between like one and three in the morning.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: I would wake up feeling like my organs were on fire.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I couldn't get it to stop.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't get away for a minute, like I just want to get in the car and drive away.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: So we have these sensitive populations that thankfully they are the canary in the coal mines.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: They're showing us how people are affected by it because you may not think you have symptoms, right?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you don't.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like my husband is convinced that he has no symptoms to EMFs.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: But if you even think about it from physics, we are made up of energy.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: We have a biofield, right?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's no way that if you bring in another electromagnetic frequency, that it's not going to affect you in some way, right?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is basic physics that we're talking about.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: You might not be as sensitive as someone like me, but it will affect you because we are all made up of energy.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: We all have an electromagnetic field that we generate and they will interact with man-made EMFs.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Such a good point.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: And um, to your point, the heart works on electrical impulses.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what do you think happens when somebody is putting their phone in their pocket, facing their heart, you know?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but also people have to recognize this is just like anything else.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's going to respond differently.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's going, and for most people, and I hate even saying this out loud because I hope it never comes true.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: But for most people, this may be cumulative.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're living in this toxic soup at this point in time, and they just keep adding layers to it.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: And 5G is just a layer on top of the toxic soup, you know, the 4G and 3G, which they're ultimately they're gonna kind of, you know, they they they've pushed that to the side, but it's just adding layers to what we are already living in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, yes, maybe you're not aware of anything you're experiencing.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope you never are.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I hope people never have the symptoms that that people like you or Mary have.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I feel like I've started to have them or I've started to be more aware of having them now that I've worked in this issue because that's not what brought me to this.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: But um so I just want people, I I hope that people never are aware or never experience symptoms.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth is, and specifically with children, it happens over time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you have people like you, which right away you could probably feel it, and you were like, Well, what's you're so aware of what's going on that you want to know what it is that's causing these symptoms.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, same thing with Mary.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for most people, they're not aware of it, and so they don't think that's what it is because you can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't taste it, you can't feel it, you know, as far as it's not physical.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, is it really affecting me?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's just this thing that people are talking about and it affects them, not me.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so, you know, just I'm gonna keep repeating this, but we just want people to just start paying attention to what is in their environment and asking the questions could it be this?
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because there is going to be a risk associated, and especially with using it over time, because there's a tolerance.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has a different tolerance.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe that's true based on your experiences in your life.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Your tolerance is lower.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe for me it's a little bit higher.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean I'm not going to experience it at some point, most likely, because of what we're living, the world we're living in today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just wanted to bring up um there was a study done on how uh brain proteins are affected by certain types of EMS that are produced by decked uh cordless phones.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: And there were 143 brain proteins that were impacted adversely.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: And specifically, I think the dopamine cascade with epinephrine and norepinephrine.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, we all know with dopamine that that's the uh, if you don't have enough dopamine, that's like the predecessor to getting Alzheimer's.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the brain chemistry is very, very affected by all of this cellular wireless that we have.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it really puts us in what's called the boiling frog scenario.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've ever heard of that, but this cumulative effect is encapsulated in that phraseology of saying, you know, if the frog doesn't know that the water is heating up when he's in the pot, you know, he'll stay in there until he's boiled.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you're able to actually feel it when you're first in there and you jump out, you have a lot more um room to avoid, you know, getting to the point where this cumulative effect will have you know adverse consequences.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: So avoidance to EMFs is always your best protection.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Managing your EMF footprint around the house, especially because right now the biggest thing that 5G has done is it has brought the EMFs into the household.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: So before distance was your friend, you had towers a mile and a half away from you, and you know, hopefully no closer than it used to be uh 300 meters, now it's like 1600 feet.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we're we're needing to be further and further away from these things.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: But 5G has brought everything into the house.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Everything connects, internet of things, your cell phone, your smart meter, your laptop, uh anything that's wireless will try to talk in machine language.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: So uh managing those devices in your household is the most important thing you can do to protect yourself in this day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wait, Mary, can you please expand upon that?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I think most people at this point have heard the word 5G.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Most people have heard it in terms of it seems as though during the COVID lockdowns, uh, 5G made this massive rollout, right?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like I know in my area we didn't have these towers, you know, lining the freeways.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then when we came out of this lockdown, there's all these towers there that look to be 5G towers.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: But um, is this conspiracy theory?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Was or was this strategically planned, like this 5G rollout?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then explain to us in more detail what do you mean that 5G can now connect all of these wireless devices that are in your home?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's really not conspiracy theory.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's factual that, you know, in 2019, January, the the acceleration of the 5G deployment, FCC orders were issued.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then approximately one year later, actually 15 months later, you know, COVID hit, and that's when uh the 5G deployment went into full swing.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it took them a while to get all the permits and all the paperwork in place.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, as soon as uh those um, I actually think in December they put in the applications, December of 2018.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that in January, you know, with the shot clocks that they have, you know, everything became approved in accelerated time because FCC put these orders out.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then there were some lawsuits that you know followed that that were landmark lawsuits, uh, the KetoWa lawsuit and also the uh EHT and CHD, Environmental Health Trust and Children's Health Defense um lawsuits against FCC, talking about you know what kind of radio frequency radiation is coming off of these towers and where they're being placed.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, you know, I I really hope this changes.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, with the way the FCC put out these laws, they they are promoting putting these towers, these broadband towers, on school property, public school property, because you know, it's considered public land, and they want to promote the usage of this technology, you know, over-the-wired technology.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how they're doing it.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're making the schools a toxic wasteland, basically, for children to go to school at.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I believe in Maryland they actually have banned these towers in elementary schools because the younger a child is, the more they're going to be affected.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, they can put up to three towers on a school on any school in some states.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's that way in Virginia here or not, but you you start producing cancer clusters because they won't just do a 50-foot tower, they'll do a 199-foot tower, which is the maximum you can do before you'd have to register the tower, and they will load it up with five rings.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, it's it becomes a cancer cluster.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: So there really should be a push, you know, for for the parents that have school-aged children to start banning these things at the low, low-level grades and then work their way up because there's lots of other places these things can go that would be so much safer uh for the children, you know, while they're attending school.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because as we talked about before, you know, you have a cognitive issue with when you're overexposed to radio frequency radiation affecting 143 brain chemicals for with one particular type of exposure.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure they're very similar in other types of R of R exposures.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And here the kids are going to school to learn where their cognitive abilities are, you know, should be at their optimum.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: And they have to work against that, you know, because is she still there?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: More so they have to do it in the schools, but they're not.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's one of the things that, you know, Jenny and I have been really trying to do for the state of Virginia is put forth a bill to follow in the sequel of HB 817 that put forth digital device guidelines for health and safety for children.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, unfortunately, they didn't even address the effects of RFR, radio frequency radiation.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: They they strictly uh looked at it from uh more of an orthopedic perspective of making sure that you sit straight and the at the and your eyes don't strain and that you take breaks.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, the psychological aspects of it, you know, if you spend too much time screen time, you get screen time addictions, etc.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, we we really had a very strong push to find a sponsor on this bill, and it we we had a hard time finding one.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you would think, what sweat is it off of them to just have a little bit of training, you know, mandatory training and professional level training, not just some, you know, PDF that's hidden on a website buried five layers deep for no one to ever see again once it's uploaded.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: We we want this to be mandatory and make people aware of what they're using, how they're using it, how long they're using it, what they're doing with it, and not just look at it as a toy or something to you know spend recreation time with.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: And when we have that shift in the paradigm of how we look at wireless devices, you know, we'll start be we'll start living safer lives, not not only for our families, but our you know, public institutions and our environment.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: So how is 5G different?
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like we had like 3G and 4G.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: What is it that's so bad about 5G?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, it's categorically different in every way.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So the Gs are named not by the type of structure, but by the type of service.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we had voice and text, and and then we had, you know, uh video, and um now we're going over to uh broadband.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: So each time the service level advanced, the the data capacity through throughput had to increase.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: So when you go to broadband, you can do everything that those other services can do, only you do it faster and better.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: So at some point, you know, they might combine all those services to be done through broadband.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And and they're in the process of doing this, what they call grid transformation, to go that route, or all these services, whether it be voice, text, video, streaming, whatever, it's all done through broadband.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right now we have multiple ways to do it because we still have the uh 4G LTE towers that the 5G leverages off of.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, you could have a cell phone tower and put a ring of broadband antennas on that tower and have what's called a hybrid 4G, 5G tower.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's sometimes well, when for 5G first rolled out, that's how they were doing it.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now they're going more towards dedicated towers.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: But it could go either way because they're not going to get rid of 4G technology.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is a layer that's being added on.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Categorically, in the past, what's happened is once a new G comes along, like when 3G came along, then 2G gets obsolete.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: When 4G came along, then 3G became obsolete.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now that may or may not happen with this because they would have to operate 5G in standalone mode in order to do that.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And when you go to standalone mode, you have to use different antennas.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's a different type of technology altogether.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's called phased array.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: It does not depend on line of sight, meaning point A to point B in a straight line in order to give your signal.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: three degree beam and you might be hit with that three degree beam from multiple towers because it won't move with you.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a very different type of technology.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: So um and they can get more granular in finding your location.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: So with 4G they might be accurate plus or minus 50 feet.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: With 5G it'll be pinpointed.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's why it's a tracking and surveillance that they'll it's it's just uh a higher level of granularity.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Plus you're gonna you know have all these IoT devices that are also going to create the um the profile of what you're doing you know the the electronic signatures on the on the smart meters you know they'll be able to be seen as well so they'll know what you're doing every minute of the day basically and what devices you're plugged into when you're in your car, when you're in your home or when you're not home.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you know you had talked about you know before we started the show you had talked about the privacy issue.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Smart meters are the biggest breach of privacy that exists at this point because they don't they're not cybersecure.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was proven by Hash the Texas hacker during the ice storm you know he just drove by in his car with a little receiving antenna and picked up everybody's data stream.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then he, you know, it was zeros and ones it was pretty easy to hack.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean he he displayed it on a YouTube video.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty easy to understand the GPS coordinates once you decoded the latitude and longitude and then you know the time of day.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the GPS gives your address.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole thing, you know, they they claim these things are cyber secure I haven't seen any evidence of that.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: And you know it's a wireless node so the air gaps you know inherently make it a not of secure not the most secure type of device for handling this type of information you know everything that you do in a day.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it's they're they're going to profile you and unlike the uh things that they recommend best practices for uh data storage you know to dispose of it in a timely manner the the the smart meter companies don't want to do that they want to retain this data to do profiling for um you know predictive modeling you know what what products you're most likely to buy in the future but one of the strongest secondary markets of smart meters is advertisers and marketers.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's a whole secondary set of markets that are created by the data that's collected through smart meters.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now if they were just using it for utility purposes they would dump 90% of the data that they collect but they're not they're going to sell that it's like the new gold and they're going to go to these secondary markets.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: So they they might be insurance company people who want to know if you overeat or they could be thieves that want to you know unauthorized access like you know one hash did his thing down in Texas.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: He saw that the banks were the only people who didn't lose electricity.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: So while everybody was freezing in their homes during the ice storm you know the banks had their their electricity and they were heated so he he found out you know who the winners and losers were during that storm.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the list just goes on and all kinds of people want to know what you you spend your time with and what you know appliances you use and how long you're in the house and how how many how many hours you spend in a car.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's how they sell things.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: So these secondary marketers or secondary markets that you know the smart meter companies or the I guess the power companies are targeting that's where our privacy breaches are going to come from and you know the laws we need laws to protect us from that.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't really know who's going to pick up that cross exactly but it should happen sooner than later.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: As long as we're talking about um smart meters I don't there was a recent article that came out uh covering 13 attorney generals from 13 different states uh filed something in court because Vanguard and BlackRo are now investing in public utilities.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so anybody who knows anything about those two corporations I guess uh knows that they've been investing in different areas of control or different areas of tracking or different areas i e the land use you know and um homes and so this is just another as you and Mary both said this is a sleeper and Pete because people don't even realize that it's on the side of their home.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Most people they don't they're not told by their power companies and if they are the power companies are just saying this you're just getting an upgrade it will only take a couple minutes we're just giving you a new meter that allows for you to have a better idea of what your usage is in your home and it's better for the environment and that's the way they're selling it which none of those points are true.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's not consumer based at all and um the worst part about it is the informed consent issue.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: So you know we protect our bodies at all costs and now we have to protect our homes in the same way because this is going on the side of our home without the full information of what it's capable of and what it's um the issues that can arise within the home and within ourselves from it.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: And really important is to understand what's on the other side of the wall from that smart meter.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And most people don't think twice to what's on the outside of their home but if you have a bedroom on the other side of that smart meter where it's located you should really do RF mitigations in full force you know whether that be uh shielding or it be painting you know with the Y shield paint um avoidance uh shutting off the electricity to the room there's all kinds of things that you can do there's tons of websites that we could provide to you that sell these products but most people again don't think about what's on the other side of their wall that they're sleeping with.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: So you know that's probably something each person that's watching here today should be made very aware of again what's in your environment and how is it affecting you.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because let's just say you have a headboard there on the other side of that meter, that person's going to get really sick.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the videos that Dr.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Klinghart had done we had talked about Dr.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Klinghart before we did the show here he did this video 10 years ago he said that pregnant women who have babies that have um you know the spectral disorder that he can predict them just based by the power densities in the bedroom where the mother sleeps when she's pregnant.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he says it's 100% proof like you know and all the people who have come to him that he's seen and and they've done done these surveys that he has linked that you know uh cause and effect relationship.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how important protecting yourself is during sleep time to produce that melatonin and not have these uh brain proteins be affected.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah such an excellent point um and I'll add to that in the scientific literature exposure chronic exposure to these man-made EMFs let's say from a cell phone that a woman's carrying pregnant woman's carrying with her has been associated with miscarriage as well.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah especially you know proximity to you know the abdominal area there like men are probably more um guilty of doing this than women are they carried in their uh breast pocket or their pants pocket either one of them is not good and um you know the decrease in sperm counts for men over time is is dramatic.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: So you know if you tell that to a person you usually don't have to tell them more than once because most men don't like hearing that but you know it's a fact.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you just mentioned how it can affect women uh unknowingly and these simple little things I think children should learn at a very early age I don't think that we should teach the adults and leave it up to the adults you know uh say a mother and a father to teach the kids they should be learning this stuff in school you know as soon as possible you know how to handle a cell phone and all these wireless devices properly and safely you know how to manage your time on them how to use them for what they're good for and you know use other things to learn from too I mean we don't have to use our digital devices as the only source of learning and right now we're being forced into that and you know we have to learn different ways of doing this if we want to survive you know as humanity because to tell you God's honest truth you know I'm the same as you I'm uh electro uh magnetically sensitive and I've been dealing this dealing with this for a very long time now up until 2019 I was able to manage it quite easily because you know I know what to do and I and I did it and it worked.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well the things that I'm I was doing back then don't work the same you have all this frequency soup at a much lower elevation so when you had towers a mile and a half away you know you didn't have to worry so much about what the power density was coming into your house.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was enough to make a cell phone connection and that was that was that but but now you have all this stuff real close to you down at the you know 10 foot five foot level and you know above your floor space in your house where it used to be maybe you know only a very low power density now it's a very high power density now why is that because they need all this connectivity and so they they need all your machines you know all your devices to talk to each other so they have to increase the power density within your homes and I do believe that smart meters have enabled them to do that in addition to you know the broadband towers but when you think about how many smart meters there are and all these relays that are going back and forth you know the hopping from house to house because that's how they communicate and they have they have a range of about a mile and a half I'm sorry a a quarter to half a mile sorry about that.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah smart meters are a quarter to half a mile of all this hopping and then they have to find a tower.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's a very dense EMF soup that we are now being placed in and I would expect that doctors would be seeing a lot more patients you know on a routine basis because this this stuff will be chronic and it'll be things that affect the brain more than anything else.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: That seems to be you know with smart meters that seems to be the way it's going.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: ALS that kind of stuff I mean really debilitating very debilitating diseases chronic.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah Mary I can tell you from my own personal experience and working with friends family and clients to help them reverse chronic and autoimmune diseases there's always a man-made EMF toxicity component always you know it may not be the primary driver but it is always a component that we have to deal with and remove that trigger in order for them to fully heal.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I want to say we're out of time for this episode, but I'm sure our listeners can now uh resonate with my initial comment that there's so much more here that I don't know.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: And Mary and Jenny, you two are such a wealth of knowledge and now I have more questions than we started with.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: So are you okay to come back next week and and record a second episode with us?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely we'd love to awesome okay so hang on tight everybody we're gonna come back next week and we're also gonna provide some solutions okay so don't don't get scared don't sit in the space of fear you know fear um causes disease.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: So know that we're here with you you are not alone in this fight and there are things you can do and we're gonna get to that next week.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: All right see you soon