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Jack Wheeler Pt. One · The Path Went Chilly

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pathway, Chili.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm Ashley. Let's dive right
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  Speaker 2: into this week's case.
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  Speaker 3: December thirty one, twenty ten, Wilmington, Delaware, the body of
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  Speaker 3: sixty six year old Jack Wheeler is discovered in a
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  Speaker 3: trash heap at a landfill and his cause of death
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  Speaker 3: is determined to be blunt force trauma. Days earlier, Jack
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  Speaker 3: had left his residence in New York City to travel
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  Speaker 3: to Delaware. A numerous eyewitnesses would report seeing Jack wander
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  Speaker 3: through the area and displaying erotic behavior, which may have
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  Speaker 3: been brought on by his struggles with bipolar disorder. It
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  Speaker 3: is believed that Jack's body was transported to the landfill
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  Speaker 3: after he wound up inside a dumpster which was picked
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  Speaker 3: up by a garbage truck. But even though investigators believe
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  Speaker 3: his injuries are consistent with the homicide, the exact circumstances
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  Speaker 3: of how Jack died are unclear.
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  Speaker 1: After that, the path went Chiley, So on today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be exploring the case, which was the
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  Speaker 1: subject of episode number one of the second season of
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  Speaker 1: The Unsolved Mysteries reboot on Netflix. The Unexplained twenty ten
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  Speaker 1: death of Jack Wheeler, the victim in this story, led
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  Speaker 1: a particularly interesting life as he served as a White
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  Speaker 1: House aid for no less than three US presidents and
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  Speaker 1: was involved in a number of impressive achievements, including the
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  Speaker 1: creation of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, d c.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, Jack's life went in in a very tragic fashion,
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  Speaker 1: as his body was discovered in a landfill in Delaware
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  Speaker 1: after he had spent the past few days frequenting a
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  Speaker 1: variety of different locations doing a number of things which
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  Speaker 1: do not seem to make much logical sense. Now. Before
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  Speaker 1: this case was even featured on Unsolved Mysteries, I had
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  Speaker 1: actually received a couple of requests to cover it on
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  Speaker 1: the Trail went Cold, and while my knowledge about this
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  Speaker 1: story was limited, I did know that Jack's death had
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  Speaker 1: officially been ruled a homicide, and because of his government connections,
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  Speaker 1: there were a number of conspiracy theories surrounding his death. However,
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  Speaker 1: once the Unsolved Mysteries episode came out, the consensus from
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  Speaker 1: many viewers seemed to be that Jack was the victim
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  Speaker 1: of a tragic accident brought on by his struggles with
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  Speaker 1: bipolar disorder. And while the episode did acknowledge Jack's mental
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  Speaker 1: health issues, it has received some criticism for its handling
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  Speaker 1: of the subject. Much like their episode about the death
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  Speaker 1: of Ray Rivera, the Unsawd Mysteries reboot has been accused
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  Speaker 1: of leaving out key details to craft a narrative and
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  Speaker 1: make the story appear as mysterious as possible, even though
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  Speaker 1: there was a chance that no crime ever took place.
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  Speaker 1: To be quite honest, this is why I was initially
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  Speaker 1: reluctant to cover Jack Wheeler's story on the Trail Went Cold,
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  Speaker 1: but I had to acknowledge that, in spite of the
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  Speaker 1: skepticism from online sluice, Jack's death was officially ruled to
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  Speaker 1: be a homicide by the medical examiner and law enforcement,
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  Speaker 1: so I ultimately decided to release an episode about it
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  Speaker 1: back in January of twenty twenty two. The most commonly
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  Speaker 1: proposed theory is that Jack was killed by the trash
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  Speaker 1: compactor in the garbage truck which picked up the dumpster
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  Speaker 1: containing his body, but investigators do seem to believe that
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  Speaker 1: his injuries were more consistent with a beating, so I
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  Speaker 1: think it's important to present the most well rounded account
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  Speaker 1: of Jack Wheeler's death that we can as this is
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to explore the topic of how mental illness
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  Speaker 1: can sometimes be downplayed in cold case investigations.
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  Speaker 2: So this is one of those cases that I should
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  Speaker 2: probably know because I love unsolved mysteries, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember Jack case. It's really surprising to me that you
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  Speaker 2: have a man who has such an incredible resume when
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  Speaker 2: you look at the fact that he was involved as
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  Speaker 2: a White House aid that he was really responsible for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of magical things that happened in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: And then you also have that he struggles with bipolar disorder,
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  Speaker 2: and so you do have that kind of dual approach
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  Speaker 2: to this case. Is it something that's mental health related,
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  Speaker 2: because like you were saying, a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: arguing this might have been one of those episodes of
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  Speaker 2: a mental health crisis, or was it something bigger than that.
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  Speaker 2: Was it part of a government conspiracy?
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  Speaker 3: Was it due to.
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  Speaker 2: Something that he was involved in in his time with
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  Speaker 2: the government. Both are very possible scenarios when you look
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  Speaker 2: at cases we've covered in the past, and so I'm
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  Speaker 2: really interested to hear more about this. But it's tragic
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  Speaker 2: right from the get go. You have such an accomplished
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  Speaker 2: man who has such a tragic ending to his life,
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  Speaker 2: whether it was mental health or a homicide. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just already I'm already fascinated. I've got to know more.
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  Speaker 3: This case reminds me so much of It's very different,
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  Speaker 3: but we covered Ray rivera really early, but it also
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  Speaker 3: reminds me of a least a Lamb just because of
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  Speaker 3: the initial way that the case was treated from like
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  Speaker 3: this supernatural perspective, rather than you know, her having a
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  Speaker 3: mental health episode. And I think Rays was looked at
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  Speaker 3: from a very conspiratorial perspective, like his friend Carter or
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  Speaker 3: whatever had something done to him with a helicopter. When
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  Speaker 3: I think at the end of our coverage of Ray's case,
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  Speaker 3: which was right the very beginning of the Pathway Chile,
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  Speaker 3: we settled on it was likely a mental health episode.
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  Speaker 3: So I think this is going to be a really
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  Speaker 3: good case for us to delve deeper into so we
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  Speaker 3: can explore some of those themes exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And I think there is a possibility this case might
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  Speaker 1: be a combination of both of them. That he was
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  Speaker 1: suffering from a mental health episode, but there wasn't any
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  Speaker 1: government conspiracy, but he still could have crossed paths with,
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  Speaker 1: say a random stranger who wound up killing him. So
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a combination of both him just kind
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  Speaker 1: of having a mental health episode, but also following prey
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  Speaker 1: to someone who killed him.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so no one was arguing that it ended up
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  Speaker 2: being a part of a government conspiracy or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I remember before I watched this case on Unsolved Mysteries,
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  Speaker 1: most of the limited knowledge I had about this case
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  Speaker 1: was from like conspiracy websites, and it was mainly because
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  Speaker 1: of the fact that he had worked for the government,
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  Speaker 1: and they did push forward the idea that maybe that
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  Speaker 1: had something to do with his death on the Unsolved
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  Speaker 1: Mysteries episode. But all these years later, it seems the
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  Speaker 1: consensus is that the whole government conspiracy angle is just
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  Speaker 1: a red herring.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we're down to mental health crisis or potential
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  Speaker 2: of running into either are a random or kind of
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  Speaker 2: a personally known as Sailor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely fascinating and.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into this more. But I think Robin, you
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  Speaker 3: touched on something that's really really important with regards to
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  Speaker 3: mental health episodes, particularly if somebody is experiencing bipolar mania.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to be vulnerable to a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who could predate on you. But you also may act
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  Speaker 3: in a way that isn't in alignment with who you are,
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  Speaker 3: with lots of impulsivity. So it's very possible that Jack
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  Speaker 3: could have encountered somebody who either decided to prey upon him,
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  Speaker 3: or he may have interacted with this person in a
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  Speaker 3: way that wasn't becoming in some way or triggered that individual,
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  Speaker 3: and then that individual beat him and threw him in
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  Speaker 3: the dumpster.
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  Speaker 2: Very true, very true.
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  Speaker 3: Our story begins in twenty ten, and our central figure
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  Speaker 3: is sixty six year old John Parsons Wheeler, the third
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  Speaker 3: who goes by the name Jack. Originally born in Laredo, Texas,
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  Speaker 3: Jack hailed from a family with an extensive military history,
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  Speaker 3: and he arrived with his father, John Parsons Wheeler, the Second,
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  Speaker 3: nicknamed Big Jack, was fighting overseas in World War Two.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, only five days after Jack's birth, his family
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  Speaker 3: actually received a telegram the Big Jack had gone missing
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  Speaker 3: an action during the Battle of the Bulge. Thankfully, Big
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  Speaker 3: Jack was later found to be alive. After receiving the
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  Speaker 3: Bronze Star and Purple Heart, he would continue on with
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  Speaker 3: the military career which lasted over thirty years and he
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  Speaker 3: reached the rank of US Army Colonel. Jack decided to
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  Speaker 3: follow in his father's footsteps by joining the United States
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  Speaker 3: Military Academy at West Point, and after graduating near the
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  Speaker 3: top of his class in nineteen sixty six, he went
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  Speaker 3: to Vietnam and served in a non combat administrative position
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  Speaker 3: at Long Bin Post, where he worked at computerizing army operations. However,
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  Speaker 3: Jack was hit hard by the fact that a number
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  Speaker 3: of people he knew at West Point lost their lives
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  Speaker 3: during the Vietnam War, as ten percent of his graduating
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  Speaker 3: class were killed in action. In fact, the experiences of
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  Speaker 3: Jack and his West Point classmates would be chronicled in
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  Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty nine book The Long Gray Line, The
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  Speaker 3: American Journey of West Points Class of nineteen sixty six,
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  Speaker 3: which was offered by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Rick Atkinson.
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  Speaker 3: Following his return from va Vietnam, Jack served on the
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  Speaker 3: General's staff at the Pentagon and went on to have
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  Speaker 3: a successful career in the private sector, but by nineteen
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  Speaker 3: seventy nine he decided to become chairman of the Vietnam
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  Speaker 3: Veterans Memorial Fund, the non profit organization was established by
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  Speaker 3: a Vietnam veteran named Jan Scruggs, and eventually paid the
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  Speaker 3: way for the creation of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial three
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  Speaker 3: years later, which would be built in Washington, d c.
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  Speaker 3: And feature the names of every service member who lost
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  Speaker 3: their lives during the war. Over the next three decades,
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  Speaker 3: Jack would keep himself busy by working for the government
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  Speaker 3: and being the CEO of such nonprofit organizations as Mothers
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  Speaker 3: Against Drunk Driving and the Vietnam Children's Fund. He served
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  Speaker 3: as a White House aide to Presidents Ronald Reagan and
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  Speaker 3: George H. W. Bush, working on the latter's transition team
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  Speaker 3: when he entered office, and during George W. Bush's second
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  Speaker 3: term as president, Jack served as special assistant to the
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  Speaker 3: Secretary of the Air Force.
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  Speaker 2: So Jack had an incredible career, but he also was
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  Speaker 2: exposed to a lot of really high profile, high stress positions, jobs, responsibilities.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my dad is an amazing Vietnam hero as well,
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  Speaker 2: And when you look at the fact that Jack was
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  Speaker 2: at West Point, there's a lot of stress that goes
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  Speaker 2: into that, a lot of pressure that goes on to
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  Speaker 2: those cadets and those individuals serving our country at West Point,
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  Speaker 2: it's an amazing institution. And then he went to Vietnam,
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  Speaker 2: or has friends that go to Vietnam, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of trauma and stress that comes from that. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you lose people that you love and you care about
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  Speaker 2: that you're defending our country with. And at the time,
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  Speaker 2: Vietnam veterans and veterans before that, they didn't have mental
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  Speaker 2: health support to really deal with the consequences of that
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  Speaker 2: war and service to our country. Now we are getting
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  Speaker 2: a lot better with the VA and with military providing
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  Speaker 2: mental health to our soldiers and to our veterans. But
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee you that Jack did not have that kind
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  Speaker 2: of support, nor did his comrades that he served with
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  Speaker 2: or went to school with. And so for me, when
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  Speaker 2: you look at that and you talk about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that down the road we're going to have larger mental
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  Speaker 2: health issues, the stress of all of those positions, the
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  Speaker 2: fact that likely at that time, men especially were not
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  Speaker 2: encouraged or supported in a pursuit of mental health care,
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  Speaker 2: and we just didn't have the structures in place, Like
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  Speaker 2: I remember my dad saying, you know, World War two
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  Speaker 2: men didn't have PTSD. That's not a thing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like because he was young and they were told you're fine,
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  Speaker 2: and then you see years later where these men are.
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  Speaker 2: It's a disservice to them. They're hurting and they don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to get help because it just wasn't something
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  Speaker 2: established or addressed at the time. And so I really
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  Speaker 2: feel for Jack, and I feel that his positions and
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  Speaker 2: his amazing accomplishments probably have a lot to do with
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  Speaker 2: the mental health crisis that he could have had, or
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  Speaker 2: at least the mental health battle he struggled with. The
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  Speaker 2: older he got in his life, Well, we're.
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  Speaker 1: Going to talk about this as we go along, but
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  Speaker 1: as he got older, he did acknowledge that he had
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  Speaker 1: some mental health issues and finally began to start treating it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's just remarkable about it. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: entirely sure at what point in his life that he
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  Speaker 1: realized he had these issues, but I think like it
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  Speaker 1: during the late seventies and early eighties, he was thinking
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  Speaker 1: that there are a lot of Vietnam veterans out there
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  Speaker 1: that are struggling. So that's why I'm going to help
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  Speaker 1: establish the memorial fund and the memorial in Washington.
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  Speaker 3: D C.
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  Speaker 1: Because he knew that a lot of people were struggling
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  Speaker 1: and he wanted to pay tribute to them and help them.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what's great is that he led a very
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  Speaker 1: productive life and it's all the more sad that he
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  Speaker 1: would die in such a tragic fashion.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, for our Vietnam vets, they were not
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  Speaker 2: respected or loved on the way many other war veterans are.
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  Speaker 2: They were brought home a war that many of them
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  Speaker 2: didn't even understand what we were fighting for, right, and
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  Speaker 2: they served our country the way that they honorably said
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  Speaker 2: I'll do that, I will go and serve our country,
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  Speaker 2: or they were drafted to do so. But the political
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  Speaker 2: unrest here in the United States when they got home,
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  Speaker 2: they were so disrespected and so just not cared for
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  Speaker 2: by the community, by you know, anyone welcoming them home.
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  Speaker 2: It was a very different feel at the time. And
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  Speaker 2: I think it was that the political scene they came
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  Speaker 2: home to at the time, but that that had a
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  Speaker 2: big effect too of what they thought of themselves and
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  Speaker 2: their service. And I just think it's a very complicated
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  Speaker 2: war to be a veteran on.
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  Speaker 3: And weren't they labeled baby killers when they came back.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was horrible. My dad said, he got off
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  Speaker 2: the plane, was he had been well, No, not his plane.
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  Speaker 2: My dad had been shot five times in Vietnam and
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  Speaker 2: was yeah, paralyzed and blind for almost two years in rehab.
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  Speaker 2: But when he got out of the hospital, he said,
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  Speaker 2: he got spin on like people would tell them they
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  Speaker 2: were disgrace to our country, or he was a baby killer,
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  Speaker 2: or they were all rapist or whatever, And my dad said,
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  Speaker 2: we were seventeen year old boys serve in our country
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  Speaker 2: like we didn't. You know, a lot of just a
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  Speaker 2: lot of disrespect. And you had a lot of famous
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  Speaker 2: people at the time protesting the war, which caused a
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  Speaker 2: lot of backlash too in the communities right where young
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  Speaker 2: people were saying, I support this famous person who's protesting
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  Speaker 2: the war, and just sad like those boys did their
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  Speaker 2: job and they came home to not having the care
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  Speaker 2: and love and respect that you give to military personnel
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  Speaker 2: who defended your freedom.
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  Speaker 3: They're instruments of the government. They're being told what to do,
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  Speaker 3: So getting mad at the instrument you should be getting
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  Speaker 3: that at the institution, not the people.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you don't disrespect the boys who came home or
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  Speaker 2: in women who came home hurt, you know, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's just very.
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  Speaker 1: Very sad. So by twenty ten, Jack had become a
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  Speaker 1: very influential figure among Washington's elite, who had many prominent friends,
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  Speaker 1: and he was now working as a national security consultant
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  Speaker 1: to the nonprofit research and development firm, the Metra Corporation,
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  Speaker 1: assisting them with cybers security issues. However, in spite of
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  Speaker 1: Jack's personal achievements, he had lifelong struggles with depression and
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  Speaker 1: bipolar disorder, and took medication to control his condition. For
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  Speaker 1: the past thirteen years. Jack had been married to his
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  Speaker 1: second wife, Catherine Kleis, and he had a twin son
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  Speaker 1: and daughter from his first marriage, as well as two
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  Speaker 1: step children from Catherine's first marriage. Jack and Catherine were
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  Speaker 1: now splitting their time living in two separate residences, a
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  Speaker 1: condo in the Harlem neighborhood of New York City and
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  Speaker 1: a getaway home in the town of Newcastle, Delaware. On
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, Jack took an Amtrak train from Newcastle to
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  Speaker 1: Harlem to spend the holidays with his family, but on
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  Speaker 1: December the twenty eighth, he decided to leave and hop
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  Speaker 1: on a train to Washington, d c. Jack told Catherine
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  Speaker 1: he was planning to spend a few days there doing
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  Speaker 1: some work for the Metra Corporation, but she was not
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  Speaker 1: thrilled with this decision, as she hoped Jack would spend
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the holidays with her until the new year.
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  Speaker 1: The couple got into a heated argument, but Jack still
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  Speaker 1: left on his train trip as planned and spent most
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  Speaker 1: of the day using his phone to remain in contact
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  Speaker 1: with Catherine and other members of his family through emails
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  Speaker 1: and text messages. But even though it would be established
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  Speaker 1: that Jack arrived in Washington and spent part of the
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  Speaker 1: day there, he eventually decided to hop on another train
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  Speaker 1: and make an unexplained trip to Wilmington, Delaware. Wilmington is
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  Speaker 1: only six miles north from Newcastle, the location of Jack's
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  Speaker 1: second home, and shortly after eleven thirty pm, Jack's next
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  Speaker 1: door neighbor, Scott Morris, heard an odd sound outside his residence.
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  Speaker 1: When Morris looked out the window, he claimed that he
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  Speaker 1: saw the darkened silhouette of a man standing in the
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  Speaker 1: frame of a three story house across the street, which
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  Speaker 1: was under construction at the time. After the man walked away,
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  Speaker 1: Morris noticed that there was smoke coming from the house,
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  Speaker 1: so he phoned the police in the fire department, but
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  Speaker 1: when the authorities arrived, they discovered that the structure was
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  Speaker 1: not actually on fire, as somewhat had tossed some smoke
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  Speaker 1: bombs into it, causing very little damage. However, a cell
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  Speaker 1: phone was eventually founded the scene and it was identified
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  Speaker 1: as below. To Jack Wheeler, crazy.
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  Speaker 2: When you think about this fact that it's Christmas time
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  Speaker 2: and you have a family who's trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: holiday plans, right, and there's this big argument, it makes
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  Speaker 2: you wonder is that big argument any part of the
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  Speaker 2: mental health crisis that could have come from that? But
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  Speaker 2: Jack says, listen, I'm gonna be with family for the holidays,
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  Speaker 2: but then I'm going to be working for this corporation.
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  Speaker 2: Am I right when I say he does not inform
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  Speaker 2: anyone that he's actually going to Delaware, that's where his
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  Speaker 2: house is located, but he doesn't tell the family that
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  Speaker 2: he's going to make that pit stop there.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct. He just said that he was going to Washington,
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  Speaker 1: but did not tell anyone that he was going to Wilmington.
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  Speaker 1: So we have a couple hours of him in Washington
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  Speaker 1: and we don't actually know what he does there, But
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  Speaker 1: at some point he just makes the spontaneous decision to
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  Speaker 1: go up to like the same area where his house
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: is and then potentially throw smoke bombs into this other
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: house that's under construction. So it's a sign that something
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: has really broken inside of him.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Where does someone acquire smoke bombs?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: We do make later on, But Jack often used them
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: into his garden to get rid of bugs, apparently, so
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: he did own them. I don't think he just went
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: out and bought them that very same day. I think
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: he kept them inside his house.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Jack's residence was located across the street from a house
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: which was under construction, and he'd spent a lot of
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: time and energy organizing petitions and filing legal challenges in
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: order to prevent it from being built. Jack was unhappy
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: that the house was going to block his view of
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the Delaware River and opposed any construction on that particular
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: piece of land, as he felt it had historical significance
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: since William Penn had taken his first step on American
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: soil there in sixteen eighty two. While Jack had attempted
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: to file a temporary restraining order against construction of the house,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: a Delaware Court of chancery judge had denied Jack's request
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: over two weeks earlier, on December thirteenth. The incident with
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: the smoke bombs was particularly interesting since Jack Robin just mentioned,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: was known to own smoke bombs, which he would use
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: to get rid of rodents in his garden. The following morning,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: at eight forty five am, Jack hailed a cab from
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the Amtrak station in Wilmington to the Hotel du Pont,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Which is unclear why he decided to visit this location
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: since records would show he never registered there. But about
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: forty five minutes later, Jack sent an email to the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Metra Corporation to inform them that his house was burglarized
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and a number of his personal items, including his cell phone, briefcase, wallet,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: identification badge, and Keith fob, had been stolen. He also
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: sent an email to his daughter and another one to
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: his therapist to say that he felt dazed, boxed, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: in a corner following his most recent fight with Catherine.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Since Jack no longer had his cell phone in his
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: possession by this point, it's never been made clear where
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: exactly he sent these emails from, and even though he
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: told his employer that he'd been burglarized. Jack never attempted
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: to report the incident to the pull. Jack's wareboats for
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the next several hours are unknown, but at around six pm,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: he walked into Happy Harry's pharmacy in Newcastle, located just
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: a few blocks from his residence. Jack was captured by
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the security cameras, and the pharmacist immediately recognized him since
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: he was a regular customer who often had his prescriptions
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: filled here. Even though it was very cool, it was
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: a very cold night. Jack was only dressed in a
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: suit jacket and did not have an overcoat. According to
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the pharmacist, Jack looked visibly upset and asked for a
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: ride to Wilmington. Since the pharmacist couldn't leave the establishment,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: he offered to call Jack a cab, but even though
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Jack declined, he managed to convince a couple there to
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: give him a ride before they left together.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: That is also a little bit odd. It doesn't sound
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: like he knew this couple that he asked for a ride.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: He's not necessarily dressed for the right weather, and he
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: seemed dazed and boxed in a corner is what he
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: says when he's reaching out to family. This robbery that
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: he doesn't report to the police. But he says he's
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: been burglarized, He's lost all of his important documents, including
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: his I believe, his wallet, his identification badge, his key fob,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: his cell phone, and you still don't report it. It
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: does start to sound like he's in this spiral where
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: maybe he's perceiving that he's at risk or perceiving that
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: he's in danger, when in actuality, he's just kind of
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: losing connection with reality. I do wonder how much that
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: argument with Catherine plays into that, right, like sometimes trauma
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and stress spurs on a mental health crisis. I also
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: wonder was there any indication that he could have been
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: meeting somebody at that house in Delaware, which is why
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: he didn't tell anyone about it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I guess it's possible, but they never found any communications.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he didn't send any emails or text
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: from his phone or anything. But I guess he could
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: have called someone on a payphone, or maybe had spoken
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to someone ahead of time meet me at my hose
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: in Delaware at this particular time. But I was going
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to talk about throughout the course of his actions, he's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: captured on a lot of surveillance footage, and he is
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: never in the presence of any strangers or anyone who
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: appears to be following him around. So I don't see
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: any indication that he had any encounters with anyone except
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the people that came forward as witnesses.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And who's this couple. Who's the couple gave him the ride.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting. After this air, they interviewed the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: producer of Unsolved Mysteries and she said that they were
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: able to find out from police records that this couple
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: was questioned and ruled out his suspects. But I know
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that the show tried to track them down to interview
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: them again and see if they would give their account
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of their encounters with Jack, but they could not find
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: their whereabouts, so their identity is kind of unknown to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the public. But they were looked at by police during
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the early stages of the investigation.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: And even though Jack might not have been followed on
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: security cameras, that doesn't mean that he didn't have the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: perception that he was being followed, because it seems like
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and he's talking when he's saying to family that like
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: he feels boxed in in days, feels like a moment
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: of lucidity within you know, a mental health crisis or
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: bipolar mania that can lead to psychosis, And if anyone
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: has ever experienced that, I mean I can I've experienced hypomania.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I've never had a manic episode, but I can say
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: at a point when I've had very little sleep and
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I feel like my behavior is verging on what could
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: be dangerous, I can only describe it as during a
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: moment of lucidity, questioning what I'm doing and being like
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: it feels like I'm running with scissors. That's like the
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: best way I could possibly describe it. And it seems
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: like in this moment, that's what Jack is able to
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: reach out and say. So it's hard to know if
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: like all of these behaviors that he's doing are because
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: it's some kind of subterfuge because he believes that he's
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: being followed, or he believes that he's under threat, or
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: if he's questioning whether or not he's just doing these
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: because of the state that he's in. It's just it's
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: so hard to know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because on some of the surveillance footage that shows him,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: like you can clearly see that he's not being followed
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: or shadowed by anyone, but by his body language. Yanit
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: kind of get the sense that he is paranoid or
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: feels like he might be in danger, though you can
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: never really know what's going on in his mind at
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: that moment. Well about forty minutes after he left the pharmacy,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: security camera footage recapture Jack walking through the parking garage
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: attached to the Newcastle County Courthouse in Wilmington. He was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: walking around with what appeared to be a limp and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was carrying his right shoe in his left hand, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: his body language seemed to indicate that he was disoriented
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and agitated. When Jack spoke to the parking attendant on duty,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he told her that he had been robbed and that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: his briefcase, which contained his parking ticket, had been stolen.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: He also said that he could not find his car,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: but in actuality, Jack had actually left his car at
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: an entirely different parking garage at the Amtrak train station
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: three blocks away. Jack originally parked there when he arrived
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in Newcastle one week earlier, before he took the train
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to New York on Masive to see his family. A
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: security guard from the courthouse was summoned down to the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: parking garage to speak with Jack, and would later say
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that his eyes were red, as if he had recently
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: been crying. In spite of this, the guard said that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Jack did not smell of alcohol in his speech was
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: not slurred, and when a state employee offered Jack money
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to get home, he declined and said that he already
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: had enough money on him. Jack soon left the parking garage,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and since the next confirmed sighting of him would not
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: take place until the following morning, it's unclear where he
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: spent the night. At around eight am on the morning
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: of December the thirtieth, Jack was seen buying coffee at
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a subway sandwich shop, and the owner would later describe
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: him as looking like a homeless person, as he was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: no longer wearing a sport coat and had on a
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: dress shirt which was filthy from the elbows down. Later
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that day, Jack was seen wandering through the lobby of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the high rise office building, the Amor's Building, and even
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: though multiple people asked him if he needed help, Jack declined.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: He eventually made it to the tenth floor and visited
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the law firm Connolipo Lodge and Huts, where he asked
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to speak with a managing partner, while the receptionist left
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: her desk to go find someone Jack left before she returned.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Jack also paid a visit to a small business administration
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: office on the eleventh floor to ask for a ride
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to Philadelphia for unknown reasons. At three twenty six pm,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: security cameras captured Jack wandering around the Nemors Building's basement,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and later that night, surveillance footage showed him exiting the building,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and he was now wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt which
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: his family believed did not belong to him, and was
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: pulled up over his head in an attempt to cover
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: his face. At eight forty two pm, a security camera
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: outside the Hotel DuPont showed Jack walking east towards Rodney Square,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: but what happened to him next remains a mystery.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: This is heartbreaking when you think about the description of
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Jack and the many people who are running into him,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and clearly they know something's wrong, but they don't know
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: what's wrong is It's just devastating. So you have people
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: who see him in the parking lot and they know
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: enough is wrong to go ahead and get someone to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: come down and try to talk to him. One on one,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and so when the security guard comes down from the courthouse,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: he's talking to Jack and he says, listen, the poor guy.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like he's this, you know, belligerent, drunk or
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: something that's going on and on he's something's wrong. It
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: looked like he was crying. He looks really dishoveled. He's
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: limping with his shoe off, like there's clearly a mental
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: health crisis going on here. Something's happened, and then it
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: kind of just keeps escalating where he looks dirty, he's
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: seen where people describe him as looking homeless. He's stumbling
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: around and random places without really any explanation as to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: why he would be there. And then we see him
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: with that dark hooded sweatshirt, which a family says, I
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: don't think that's him, and we don't know what happens
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to him after that. But he's making these stops and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: not following through with any kind of actual success there,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: like the law off as he goes and it leaves
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: when the lady comes in. He goes down to the
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Small Administration Business Small Business Administration office. Who the heck
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: knows what he did there. It doesn't seem like logical
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: movements where people can say, oh yeah, he came in
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and applied for an LLC, Oh yeah, he came in
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and asked us about workmen's comp or you know, filing
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: in a lawsuit for workplace malpractice whatever, none of that.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like he's just going from place to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: place and you see all these people saying, can we
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: help you? Is something wrong? Can we call someone for you?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately Jack declines all of that. So, Jules, I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: think you nailed at where it's that perception of somebody's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: after me or something's wrong. So he's in that heightened
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: paranoid state and he just is stumbling around lost.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Do we know if he had any familiarity with this building.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure. We're gonna talk about this later.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But he did have an attorney with the last name Connolly,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: so it's been theorized that he might have gone to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: this particular law firm because it had Connolly in the name,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but his Connolly did not actually work there. So it's
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: almost like he goes to this building and he's seeing
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: stuff that's kind of familiar to him, but he's not sure,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and that's why he's stopping at this random law firm
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that he's never been to before. But some of that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: stuff is completely unexplained, Like we still don't know why
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: he went to this small Business Administration office to ask
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: for a ride to Philadelphia, because as far as anyone
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: can tell, he didn't have any connections there. So I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: think he was just going into this building because there
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: was something going on in his mind that made him
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: think that he was familiar with it. But as far
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: as anyone can tell, I don't know if he'd ever
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: been there before.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Well, earlier that day, one of Jack's neighbors in Newcastle,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Robert Dill, who functioned as a caretaker for the Wheeler
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: residence when they were not there, noticed that one of
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the houses upstairs rear windows was open. When Dill went
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: over to the house, he discovered that his side door
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: was open, so he decided to go inside. It appeared
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: that the residence had been burglarized, as chairs knocked over,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: a plant had been overturned, a spice rack was knocked over,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and there were broken dishes in the kitchen sink. Some
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: powdered cleanser had been spilled on the kitchen floor, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: there was the lining of a bare footprint in it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Dill also noticed that one of Jack's most prized possessions,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: his ceremonial West Point Cadet Sword and Shield, was lying
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: on the floor nearby. In addition, a copy of that
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: book we've mentioned earlier, the Long Gray Line, The American
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Journey of West Point's Class of nineteen sixty six, was
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: lying open on the kitchen counter. On the surface, it
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: did not appear that anything was stolen, but Dill proceeded
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to phone both Jack and Catherine cell phones and left
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: them voicemails about the situation. After not receiving any response
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: from either of them, Dill decided to inform the police
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: about the break in the following day. It turned out
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: that Catherine had made repeated attempts to call Jack's cell phone,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: but they kept going a voicemail and he never returned
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: her calls. Jack and Catherine had been planning to attend
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: a cousin's wedding on New Year's Eve, but when she
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: couldn't get a hold of him, Catherine went to the
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: wedding alone. While at the time she left, Catherine was
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: not yet aware that Jack has been found dead. Shortly
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: before ten a m. On the morning of December thirty first,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: a spotter at the Cherry Island landfill in Wilmington discovered
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: a body on top of the trash heap, and he
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: was soon positively identified as Jack Wheeler. An autopsy would
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: soon discover that Jack suffered a number of serious injuries,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: including a collapse lung, broken ribs, as well as severe
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: bruising and swelling to his face and lacerations all over
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: his body. There have also been conflicting accounts about whether
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: or not Jack suffered a heart attack prior to his death.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Months later, during an interview in an article with the
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Wilmington based newspaper The News Journal, Catherine said the police
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: kept changing their mind about the heart attack, stating, quote
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: first they said he did, then they said he didn't,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Then they said he did, end quote cardless. The medical
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: examiner believed the Jack's injuries were consistent with the beating,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: ruling that his exact cause of death was blunt force
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: trauma and the manner of death was listed as homicide.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Imagine, poor Catherine. This is a man that she's been
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: married to.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: For quite a while.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: They got into a fuss around the holidays, and they
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: still have plans like She's like, listen, it's fine.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Couple's fight.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: That's a fuss, you know, And she says, we have
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: plans to go to our cousin's wedding on New Year's Eve,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: but he's not returning her phone calls. And there had
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: been communication with the family throughout his trip for quite
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: a while. He's emailing his daughter, he was checking in
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: with his phone. But then once that phone quote goes
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: missing or is stolen, you obviously see that communication stop.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And Jack is clearly in a downward spiral of kind
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: of what reality is and what reality is not. What's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: sad is that she's not getting clear information even after
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: his body's discovered. What was the cause of death? Is
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: it the heart attack? Is at this beating? And that's
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: super confusing for her as well and causes a lack
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of trust in the police department, because give me a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: straight answer, don't keep changing what you're telling me, or
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: else I can't trust anything else you're telling me moving forward.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: When you do look at what the medical examiner says
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the injuries look like, which is that beating blunt force
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: trauma and they list his cause of death as a homicide,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: then I really do start thinking exactly what Jules said.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Either because he is disheveled very clearly isn't aware of
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: what's real and what's not. Someone who encounters him doesn't
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: say can I help you? They say I can hurt
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you because you're vulnerable and easy. You can't defend yourself
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: right now because you're not in your right mind. So
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking he either becomes the victim of somebody's foul play,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: or the other scenario becomes he actually acts out with aggression,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: maybe scare somebody gets into an altercation with someone who
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: isn't mature enough to say, something's clearly wrong with this man.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I need to get a way, and he's met with
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: an attack against him because of something he presents in
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: his own behavior. So I think that's a very plausible situation.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And then who knows. I think you said in the opening, Robin,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: some people were saying those injuries could also be because
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: of the way his body was disposed of and the
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: way that if he was, let's say, rummaging through a
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: trash can and got crushed, could that also be consistent.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So you'll have to tell me more about that, I
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: hope later on, But right now it's feeling like what
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Jules put forward, he ran into somebody who either said
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you're vulnerable or you're scaring me, and it ended in
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: an assault.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely the reverse of a lot of these
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: type of cases because you'll often see a law enforcement
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: or the medical examiner rule someone's death to be a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: suicide or an accident, and here they say homicide right
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: at the back. They say that his injuries are consistent
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: with being attacked by someone, and it's only after they
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: learn more information that people start going, well, maybe it
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: was an accidental death, maybe he wound up any trash
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: compactor or something. Because we have no accounting of his
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: whereabouts for several hours before he was found in the landfill,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: we can't be one hundred percent certain what happened to him.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Investigators attempted to backtrack Jack's movements after he left the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Nemors building to try and determine how he wound up
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: at the Cherry Island landfill. They eventually spoke to a
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: witness who hailed a taxi cab from Wilmington at around
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: eleven pm on December thirtieth, which was headed to the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: town of Newark, located fourteen miles away. The witness said
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that a man matching Jack's description asked to share the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: cab ride with him when he heard it was going
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to Newark. Well, Jack did not have any known connections
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: to Newark. Investigators learned that during the early morning hours
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: of December the thirty first, a garbage truck driver named
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Mike Robowski emptied ten dumpsters in Newark as part of
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: his trash collection route and subsequently dumped the contents of
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: his load into the Cherry Island landfill. According to Grabowski,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it was not uncommon for people to suddenly emerge from
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: dumpsters before his truck was in the midst of lifting
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: them up, as these dumpsters were equipped with side doors
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: which would allow someone to climb inside. This led to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: speculation that Grabowski may have unknowingly transported Jack's body of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the landfill, and when forensic testing was performed on the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: dumpsters from Grabowski's route, it turned up a partial DNA
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: match to Jack in one of them.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: That's incredible. So when you look at this idea, this
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: is lending credence to the idea that maybe it is
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: actually the result of Jack being in that garbage can
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and the injuries to his body aren't from a beating
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: or anything like that, but it could be from these
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: dumpsters in the side door and the way that the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: truck is going to actually transport his body to the landfill.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: But what if somebody beat him and then threw them
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: in the dumpster.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That's also true.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: There's no way to know. There's no way to know
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that exactly. It could be a combination of both. It
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he crawled inside and was crushed. It
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: could mean that someone attacked him beforehand and put his
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: body in there. But it is interesting that when the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: medical examiner listed the homicide ruling, did not yet know
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that Jack had possibly been in a garbage dumpster. Like
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: all he knew was that he wound up in the landfill.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And it does make you wonder though that if he
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: had known Jack was inside the garbage truck, would he
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: have possibly given a different ruling. Question.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: We know that Jack earlier had been stumbling around with
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: like a limp and looked like he had a shoe
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: in his hand and things like that. I guess there's
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: no way of knowing if he had actually had an
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: altercation previously with somebody where he got injured, or if
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: he just fell and hurt himself. Right, because he wasn't
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: stable at the time.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: It's certainly possible he could have had an altercation. I mean,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I don't believe the witnesses saw any noticeable like bruises
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: or injuries on him at that time to indicate that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: he had gotten into a fight. But we still don't
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: know the source of the limp. Could it have been
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: like some sort of stroke, or could he have a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: medical issue, or could he have fallen down somewhere, or
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: could he have actually gotten into a fight. We just
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: don't know his whereabouts before they saw him with the limp.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: But the big unanswered question was whether Jack might have
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: climbed into the umster himself, possibly in an attempt to
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: keep warm, or if an unknown third party killed him
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: and placed his body in there. Since Jack still had
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: many valuable items on him when he was found, including
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: some cash, a Rolex watch, and his West Point Class ring,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: it seemed unlikely that robbery was the motive for a
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: potential homicide. Jack's family offered a reward of twenty five
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, which was later increased to fifty thousand, for
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: information that led to the arrest of a suspect and
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: pushed forward the idea that he was murdered due to
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: something connected to his past government work or his current
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: position at the Metro Corporation. In fact, Catherine openly speculated
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: that Jack may have been of a professional hit, stating quote,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I think perhaps no one has been in on the
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: reward because they've already been paid end quote. Since Jack's
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: death likely occurred in Newark, the Newark Police Department took
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: over the investigation, but even though the case would be
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: investigated by no less than three different agencies, including the FBI,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: they failed to turn up any promising suspect who might
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: have been responsible for killing him. Four months after his death,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Jack's body was cremated and his remains were interred with
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: full military honors at the Columbarium at Arlington National Cemetery.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: But after more than a decade, the exact circumstances of
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: how Jack Wheeler was killed remain up for debate.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Gets say, the path went Chile.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: This really does Wreek of the Ray rivera case right
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: where there's no way of knowing exactly what happened. But
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: here when when you're looking at this case, it's even
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: more confusing because the end results can point to so
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: many different explanations. Like you said, my first thought was, okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: so he's in this garbage can. The man says he
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: sees people get in these garbage bins frequently and then
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: pop out.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Well, that was my thought.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Well, then maybe Jack is digging through there or trying
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: to stay warm.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But then, like you.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Said, someone could have just disposed of his body there
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: after a violent attack. And the thing that complicates it
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: is that when that trash is then dumped and taken
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: down to the landfill, there are other mechanisms in place
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that could have injured his physical body after the fact
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: that he was in that bind. So was he injured
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: before going into it? Were the injuries a result of
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: that transportation and processing of the trash.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: We just don't know.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: And because of his mental health crisis, both are equally probable.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: The fact that this man, who's accomplished and a hard
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: worker and a family man could be stumbling around a
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: city unaware of what reality is and going through the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: dumpster for food, for warmth, for whatever he was looking
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: for and then gets crushed or he dies in there.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Something like that is possible. Being attacked because of that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: mental health crisis is also possible, So there's zero way
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like you could distinguish injuries unless someone was
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to come forward, and there's a chance of nobody that
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: needs to come forward because you just didn't have a perpetrator.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: It's it would be horrifying as a family to want
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: to believe that I can get answers in this case
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: and realizing that there's so many circumstances and possibilities here
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: where very few of them result in an actual answer
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: for the family.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Robin, do you know if the medical examiner ever got
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: a chance to review or revise their findings after Jack
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: was found in the landfill and they knew that his
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: DNA was found in the garbage can.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I haven't seen anything to indicate
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that the medical examiner looked at his body again. I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: do know that investigators have been very tight lipped this
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: past decade about releasing information to the public, So it
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: is possible he got another autopsy but we just didn't
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: know about it. But like that would be a good
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: point because if he's unaware that Jack has been in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a garbage bin, he may be misinterpreting the injuries and
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: may just look at things differently now that he starts
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: looking at the possibility that he was crushed by a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: trash compact. So this story is something a reversal of
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: many the unexplained deaths which have been featured on UNSAWD Mysteries.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: The show has featured a number of cases where someone's
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: death was ruled to be a suicide or an accident,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: prompting law enforcement to close the case, but the loved
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: ones believe they were the victim of foul play. But
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: judging from the reactions I've seen from online sluice on
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: various message boards and read it, it seems like the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: majority consensus from those who watch the UNSAWD Mysteries episode
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: is that Jack Wheeler's death was a tragic accident, even
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: though it was officially classified as a homicide and most
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of the media coverage of this case has described as
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: death as a murder. Hell, the UNSAWD Mysteries episode is
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: literally titled Washington Insider Murder. This is definitely not part
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: for the course when you're talking about online sluice, who
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: will often gravitate towards theories involving foul play, even if
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the evidence strongly points towards suicide. Or accidental death. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: mentioned in the intro that before I saw the Unsolved
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Mysteries episode, my limited knowledge of the case gave me
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the impression that this was universally considered to be a homicide,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and given Jack's previous ties to the US government, you'll
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: definitely find a lot of discussion about his death on
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: conspiracy message boards. But I do wonder if the reaction
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: of this case might be driven by a growing cynicism
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: which is developed within the true crime community towards Unsolved
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Mysteries and true crime shows in general, which can sometimes
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: manipulate the facts and leave out key pieces of information
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: in order to suit their narrative. Back when Unsolved Mysteries
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: first launched during the nineteen eighties, there was no Internet
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and it was more difficult to fact check the information
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: they shared, so you pretty much took their segments at
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: face value. But these days, it's so much easier to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: do additional research and find out if a true crime
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: show is distorting the facts. We've already talked about this
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: in great detail during our episodes about the death of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Ray Rivera. As you probably know, it was featured on
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the debut episode of the first season of the Unsolved
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Mysteries reboot, which dropped on Netflix on July the first,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Ray Rivera was seemingly killed after a fall
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: from the roof of the Belvidere Hotel in Baltimore, Maryland,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: but even though the authorities ruled Ray's death to be
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a suicide, his loved ones were convinced that he was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the victim of foul play. Well, I will admit that
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I was absolutely captivated by that episode when I originally
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: saw it and had no idea what to think, but
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it soon became a parent that Unsaw Mysteries left out
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of information about this story, which may have
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: pointed towards Ray suffering from some sort of mental health
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: crisis and jumping off the roof on his own. Once
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you looked at the big picture, none of the murder
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories surrounding this case. Surrounding this case made much sense.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: So by the time Unsaw Mysteries dropped their second season
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: in October of twenty twenty, I think the controversy surrounding
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: their presentation of Ray Rivera's death had caused a lot
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: of skepticism to develop about their presentation on Jack Wheeler's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: death I.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Remember when you guys started describing the Ray rivera case.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: To me, I was like, Oh, it is a murder.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: It is definitely a murder. I was very much in
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that camp because of the way Unsolved Mysteries presented it,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and it really was this crafted story to cause a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: question mark if nothing else, right Whereas when we went
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: through the evidence that is actually known, it very much
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: pointed to mental health episodes going on in Ray's life,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: and paranoia and fear and bizarre behaviors. So none of
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that was really described in that episode. So I can
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: completely understand, and skeptics aren't wrong that when the media
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: takes hold of a story, they're telling a story that's
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: going to get them the most ratings and to get
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the most attention, the most jaws dropping at the case.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: And so you got to be your own little sleuth
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and kind of look back and say, Okay, who are
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: they presenting this to, what's their goal and are they
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: telling us the whole story? And oftentimes the answer is no,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: just because of time limits and because of the audience
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: and the goal that they have for that show. So
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that skepticism is valid I too.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I mean when I watched the Ray Rivera case. I
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: was pretty convinced. So then when you go and you
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: start talking about Jacks, it makes you want to question, well,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: how much of this is one side of the story
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: versus the whole picture.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I think when you look back in time too, like
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: when we covered Ray Rivera's case, I feel like we
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: as like a true crime collective. We're just on the
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: precipice of kind of understanding that intersectionality between mental health
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: and criminals as well as victims of crime, and understanding
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: that situations it can seem very very mysterious. There can
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: be an underlying mental health issue that can motivate somebody
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: to act very much outside of themselves, and it can
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: leave a family devastated and with more questions than answers
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: and very very convinced that this person didn't do this
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: to themselves. So I think we've got a much greater
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: understanding now, even though that was just a few years ago,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: it feels like we've come leaps and bounds, doesn't it,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Oh very much?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: So I think so, Yeah, I think there was more
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: of an understanding now that sometimes people just do inexplicable
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: things and that will cause their death. But it doesn't
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: necessarily mean that there was a conspiracy or foul play.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And you look at the true crime community too, of
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: viewers who want to consume that kind of information. And
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I remember the murder at the Cecil Hotel, right, that documentary.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: At least a Lamb.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that Lisa Lamb. It was a mental health crisis.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: But I remember reading reviews of it and people are like, oh,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: it's not what I thought. It's not that good, you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and it was fascinating, but because it was a mental
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: health crisis, it takes it out of that. You know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: true crime vein in many ways, and so people who
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: are drawn to that, they want to see those mysterious,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: big old question marks, what happened? Conspiracy theories. They like that,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: and so when people are producing segments, I feel like
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: they are catering to what gets us the best ratings,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: not necessar gets the best and most accurate story out there.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: From a production standpoint, the Washington Insider murder episode is
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: very well done, and if you watch it for the
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: first time without much prior knowledge to the case, watching
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: the events unfold is pretty compelling. But once the episode
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: ends and you start thinking about some of the possible
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: murder conspiracies, they just don't make any sense at all.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: A lot of the mysteries surrounding this story fades away
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: and it becomes obvious that Jack's strange actions were the
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: result of his own mental health crisis. The mental health
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: angle in the Ray Rivera case is based on speculation
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: because he was never officially diagnosed with anything, but we
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: do know that Jack had lifelong struggles with bipolar disorder,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: and to be fair, unsolved mysteries does not shy away
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: from this. While Jack took medication to control his condition,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: one fact about the case which has never been conclusively
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: established is the last time that he took his meds
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: before he died. But if he'd been off them for
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: an extended period of time, that would go a long
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: way towards explaining his actions during the last few days
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: of his life, which seemed to indicate that he was
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: having a manic episode. Jack's condition could sometimes make him
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: very energetic and aggressive about issues he was passionate about,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: and a short time before his death, a moderator at
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: a West Point message board Jack liked to frequent had
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: to suspend him and give him a time out because
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: he was becoming very temperamental during his postings. Jack had
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: obviously had become quite obsessed about preventing instruction of the
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: house across the street from his residence at Newcastle, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: his neighbor Robert Dill, claimed that he sometimes had to
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: cut off Jack from going on angry rants, and he
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: was once chastised by Jack for not being angry enough
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: about the situation. Jack struggles with depression also took a
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: toll on him, and his wife Catherine once stated quote,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I don't like to say it, but I think Jack
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: hated himself. He tried to do good all day so
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: he could sleep at night. Then he'd wake up in
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: the morning and that self hatred would be there waiting
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: for him end quote. According to Jack's family, he also
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: had a terrible sense of direction and was a type
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: of person who would park his car somewhere and then
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: take a taxi cab home, either because he couldn't fight
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: his vehicle or had completely forgotten where he parked. This
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: fits in with a situation where Jack struggled to find
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: his car inside the parking garage in Wilmington, even though
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: he had parked it in a completely different garage one
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: week earlier, and I'm sure the whole thing was exacerbated
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: if he was suffering through a manic episode.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: So the most heartbreaking thing you just read to me
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: was the way his best friend and the person who
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: knew him most. His wife describes the demons that haunted
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: her husband. She knew him inside and out, and to
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: be able to articulate that, look at his career, look
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: at all of the things that he's sacrificed and fought
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: for and worked for. People he's protected, organizations he's supported,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like mothers against drunk driving. You can tell he's a humanitarian,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: that he wants other people not to hurt or struggle,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and it's because he was hurting and struggling. His wife says,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I think Jack hated himself. He tried to do good
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: all day so that he could sleep at night, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: then he'd wake up in the morning and the self
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: hatred would be there waiting for him, like a repetitive
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: cycle of that darkness that she watched her husband battle.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: To me, that is so heartbreaking as someone who loves
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: their family and yet can't seem to find any kind
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: of peace or way out of the darkness he feels.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: The medication clearly helped. I mean Jack was in.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: His sixties, right, yeah, sixty six.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jack's in his sixties. He's clearly had to
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: deal with this his whole life. It's probably gotten exacerbated
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: by different things. But he's even at the pharmacy trying
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: to get his medicine refilled, isn't he at some point?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Not really, No, even though he frequented that pharmacy quite
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a bit to get his medicine, on that particular visit,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: he was just looking for a ride, like he wasn't
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: even the okay, So maybe that's why he went in there,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Like maybe he recognized this place, this is a place
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I get my medicine, So that might be why he
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: asked for a ride at that particular location.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: So in my head, I was thinking, maybe he's at
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the pharmacy to get this refill for his medication. But
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  Speaker 2: like you said, there's really nobody to know when the
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  Speaker 2: last time he took it would have been. It sounds
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  Speaker 2: like with his daughter through email and things, there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: anything that alarmed her, right, he said he's kind of
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit off kiltered with after fussing with Catherine,
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  Speaker 2: but he is communicating and then that stops, and it
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  Speaker 2: seems like that's one of those mornings he woke up
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  Speaker 2: and he couldn't fight the demons anymore. Maybe he didn't
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  Speaker 2: have his medication. Maybe he lost all of the things
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  Speaker 2: that he said had gotten stolen or robbed away from him.
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  Speaker 2: But his medication could have been in that as well,
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  Speaker 2: and so if he had lost or misplaced it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it takes.
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  Speaker 2: Very long to come off of mental health medication to
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  Speaker 2: struggle with a severe episode, especially if you have significant
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  Speaker 2: swings in your disposition. So I think it's devastating to
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: look at Catherine's perspective of her husband, because when you
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  Speaker 2: hear that, everything seems to fall into place where you
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: see all the things he did to try to fight
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: the darkness, and it sounds like the darkness in some
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: way ended up consuming him at the very end.
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  Speaker 3: That's definitely true about psychotropic medications. If you are to
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: go cold turkey off of them, it should be done
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  Speaker 3: under the supervision of a doctor. If somebody just stops
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: taking their medication, especially first line bipolar intervention treatments like lithium,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: it can trigger a manic episode if you just all
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: of a sudden go off lithium. I've seen it happen.
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  Speaker 3: It's a really messy and very very dangerous thing that
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  Speaker 3: can land somebody into a psych word. And if somebody
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  Speaker 3: isn't recognizing this behavior in Jack and he isn't getting
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: whatever like a fifty one fifty would be in Washington
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  Speaker 3: or in Wilmington, that's something that he clearly needed at
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: that time to have somebody assess his mental state because
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: it seems like he was a danger to himself. But
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: it's just unfortunate because Catherine didn't seem to have access
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: to him, because he wasn't answering his phone. He didn't
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: have his phone, So all of those people that would
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: have been the ones that would go, okay, we need
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: to intervene, they're not able to make contact with Jack exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he was just feeling completely helpless and
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  Speaker 1: disoriented and didn't know what he was doing. And we
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: also don't know where and if he was sleeping during
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  Speaker 1: the last few days of his life, So I can
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: only imagine that if he fell asleep, say in some
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: underground storage room or something, and then woke up, he
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: must have been like feeling like he was in a
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: really dark place and like perhaps even forgetting who he
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  Speaker 1: really was. So I think this would be a good
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: time to bring it into part one. But speak as
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  Speaker 1: we present part two of our series about the unexplained
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  Speaker 1: death of Jack Wheeler.
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