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Too Hot For Alien Con · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Troy.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 2: theory podcast, with your hosts, Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown,
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Speaker 3: who are you?
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Speaker 1: And I'm Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 3: That makes us your hosts, and we are recording in person.
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Speaker 1: We are that's true in the new studio setup, which
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Speaker 1: no one at home would really know about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had one hole setup in here. Yes, sense
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Speaker 3: totally different. Yeah. I had four tables in here with
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Speaker 3: and now those are all out in the other room gone,
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Speaker 3: and it's just fucking couches.
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Speaker 1: Oh here, love it. I gotta say. So far, we're
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Speaker 1: just starting it out, but big fan.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like an upgrade. It's definitely more comfortable. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: we are talking about some shit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, some kind of shit.
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Speaker 3: Because here's the thing. An event just passed here in
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, Pasadena, to be specific.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you noticed an unusual amount of unknown objects in
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Speaker 1: the skies over Pasadena.
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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, let me just say what. We went to
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Speaker 3: Alien Con, you know. And it's funny that you say,
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Speaker 3: if you noticed all the ships over the skies of
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles because people at home. I shit you not.
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Speaker 3: When we walked in, Oh yeah, there was a guy
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Speaker 3: just standing outside looking up at the sky and he
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Speaker 3: was like, I'm just looking to see if any UFOs.
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Speaker 1: He literally told the person that he was with you
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Speaker 1: go on inside. I'm gonna just say I hear it, chick, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then proceeded to look up and stay there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like, is this guy cheating on his girlfriend
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Speaker 3: and he's just gonna go win someone at Starbucks?
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Speaker 1: When's happening?
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Speaker 3: No, No, clearly.
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Speaker 1: Not, because we saw him stay there.
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Speaker 3: He just hung out. Yeah. We tried to get press passes,
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Speaker 3: yeah for alien con.
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Speaker 1: Too hot for alien Con.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. They shot us down.
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Speaker 1: They heard our episode about Chariots of the Gods and
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Speaker 1: were like, excuse us. Eric Vandale is a featured guest.
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Speaker 1: We don't want you coming here on our dime.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if that's why we were rejected,
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Speaker 3: because we are pretty vocal about ancient aliens being some
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Speaker 3: white supremacy shit. Yes, it could be that, or they
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Speaker 3: could have just fallen on the well you're not big enough, yeah,
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Speaker 3: which sure that I would call bullshit on. We are
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Speaker 3: actually in the top I don't remember if it's one
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Speaker 3: percent or three percent among most followed and shared podcasts
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Speaker 3: on Spotify. Hell yeah, so we do, all right, So
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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think. No, it's that we weren't
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Speaker 3: big enough. And here's the thing. All they had to
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Speaker 3: do was be like, hey man, sorry, you're hitting us
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Speaker 3: up late. Because I even I even gave him that out.
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Speaker 3: I was like, it's like two days before. I understand.
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Speaker 3: If I'm getting at you too late in the game,
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Speaker 3: I'll hit you up next year. They had me fill
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Speaker 3: out this form and I emailed to follow up because
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Speaker 3: I hadn't heard back in two days, and the person
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Speaker 3: just referred me to an faq and the FAQ says,
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Speaker 3: if you haven't heard back about your request for press passes,
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Speaker 3: you were declined. Oh and it's like cool, okay, you
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Speaker 3: couldn't have just said that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been easy.
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Speaker 3: And I wrote back and said, okay, I'm definitely coming.
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Speaker 3: Because here's the thing. Tickets were sixty five dollars a
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Speaker 3: shot Illuminati shit right, No, it's any shit.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was A and E until
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Speaker 1: all of the press past thing happens.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, same, because I guess I didn't realize a and
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Speaker 3: he owns the History Channel because the Ancient Aliens is
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Speaker 3: on the History Channel, right of course.
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Speaker 1: Of course, because it's history history, right, surely.
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Speaker 3: It's what we'll be taught in our school books as
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Speaker 3: country someday.
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Speaker 1: Probably, God, I.
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Speaker 3: Would not know.
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Speaker 1: I can't be You're not gonna put anything other than
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Speaker 1: the fucking Christian true Bible in there, Like, come on,
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Speaker 1: that's true.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point. So yeah, we decided to go anyway,
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Speaker 3: Yes we did. We bought tickets, We hopped in the car,
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Speaker 3: my wife came along. Yeah, and we descended upon Pasadena, California.
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Speaker 3: We did Alien Con twenty twenty three two K twenty
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Speaker 3: three for short, and at first I was worried we
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Speaker 3: weren't gonna have that much to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we get there and it basically just seems
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Speaker 1: like sci fi convention and almost right, but with a
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Speaker 1: few more outsider vendors.
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Speaker 3: We should mention when we got there, initially, something else happened,
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Speaker 3: which is you turned to me.
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Speaker 1: God damn it, I really didn't want to talk about
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Speaker 1: this fucking story.
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Speaker 3: And to pairaphrase, you were like, I got a fucking knife.
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Speaker 3: They're not gonna let me in with this knife.
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Speaker 1: Well, I I okay. So we get there and Olivia
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Speaker 1: didn't say it like that. I did it. I almost
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Speaker 1: almost did. We get there, and there's, of course, because
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Speaker 1: it's a huge event with a bunch of wacks going
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Speaker 1: to it, there's a security checkpoint with a bag check
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Speaker 1: and a metal detector. And part of my as the
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Speaker 1: kids would call it, everyday carry. Sure, part of my
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Speaker 1: everyday carry is tupocket, knives and a bunch of weed.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, I feel like they're not gonna
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Speaker 1: like this stuff now.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think we would have gotten through.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't think I would have. And
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Speaker 1: we're having this conversation within earshot of a security guy
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Speaker 1: who is watching us, where I'm like, look, I can't
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Speaker 1: go through the fucking meld.
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Speaker 3: I've got too many knives, pockets.
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Speaker 1: Look, I have a utility pocket knife that I use
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Speaker 1: for everyday uses in weed things, and I have a
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Speaker 1: personal defense pocket knife that is scary looking and makes
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Speaker 1: people go I'm not gonna talk to you anymore. And
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Speaker 1: so you know I need these things. And I don't
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Speaker 1: think about the country band, and.
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Speaker 3: So in those fashion wouldn't let us bring They said
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Speaker 3: no knives, and we said the second Amendment.
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Speaker 1: Uh no, we said, I guess we'll walk back to
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Speaker 1: where Angie parked the car and then walk back.
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Speaker 3: Fortunately it wasn't too funny.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't, but I will say it was my ass
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Speaker 1: is out of shape, and that was a tough way
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Speaker 1: to begin a day that was mostly going to involve
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Speaker 1: walking around.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of water.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was unfortunate.
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Speaker 3: But and even though they shot me down for press passes,
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Speaker 3: I'm not here to completely trash Alien con. My favorite
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Speaker 3: part of any convention like that is always that area
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Speaker 3: where the merchants set up their booths.
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Speaker 1: I mean that was the highlight. I mean, well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was the highlight. Like from a personal enjoyment standpoint
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Speaker 1: of the day was going around and talking to the vendors,
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Speaker 1: because I really enjoyed going around and talking to all
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Speaker 1: of these vendors.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we, as people at home would expect, we
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Speaker 3: talked to some characters. Yes, there was a guy who
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Speaker 3: made CBD oil, but oh he was my Yeah. Somehow
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Speaker 3: it involved the sun.
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Speaker 1: Well it was no more specifically, it involved a giant
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Speaker 1: hollow pyramid.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I guess is that they put that.
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Speaker 1: They then put the CBD you know, mixture into with
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Speaker 1: the weed and chit, and then they put it in
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Speaker 1: the pyramid and he's like, the energy comes through the pyramid.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, sure, whatever, the energy goes through the pyramid.
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Speaker 1: And he's like, other tinctures, you know, they'll be yellow,
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Speaker 1: but this it turns to the nice golden color. Here.
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Speaker 3: He whipped them out and it looked like every weed ticture.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm sure it was good. And I
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Speaker 1: was curious about one of his other items that he
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Speaker 1: was selling, and I didn't get the chance to ask
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Speaker 1: because we had to keep moving, but he was selling
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Speaker 1: it was a little ziplock sandwich bag full of what
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Speaker 1: looked like sunflower seeds and they had a big pink
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Speaker 1: sticker on the front that said sex seeds. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I really wanted to know what the sex seeds were.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, But I also didn't want to hear that
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Speaker 3: guy tell me no. He seemed he was nice.
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Speaker 1: We like, here's the thing about and I want to
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Speaker 1: be clear, basically, everybody that at least I talked to,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you maybe talk to some some jerks,
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Speaker 1: but like basically everybody that I talked to was very nice.
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Speaker 3: There was one person who was also He was very nice.
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Speaker 3: He complimented my Mariah Carey sweatshirt.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that guy.
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Speaker 3: But that guy he was selling like a bunch of stuff.
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Speaker 3: But one of the things he was selling was Orgon blasters, Yes,
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Speaker 3: which is the thing I've talked about on the podcast
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Speaker 3: a bunch. And I actually bought one at one point,
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Speaker 3: and I keep forgetting.
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Speaker 1: It looked like a little plastic skull.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ones he had, he had some that were
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Speaker 3: shaped like pyramids also, and I went there kind of
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Speaker 3: thinking I would maybe buy a new one to bring
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Speaker 3: one to the studio because the one I have at
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Speaker 3: home is, you know, actively keeping ghosts, demons beds away
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Speaker 3: as Orgon blasters do. Absolutely, And he had one that
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Speaker 3: was either shaped you and I argued about this. It
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Speaker 3: was either shaped like the Millennium falcon or the Nation
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Speaker 3: of Islam mother ship.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what that looks like. I've never
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Speaker 1: seen a picture of the Nation of Islam mothership.
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Speaker 3: You ever seen Independence Day?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: That ship is for.
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Speaker 1: Well, that ship is just the big ship is just
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Speaker 1: a circle, you mean, like the little guys yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't okay, but it was Millennium Falcon, Like,
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Speaker 1: what's the thing.
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Speaker 3: What's important is I picked it up and was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: that's cool. That does kind of look like the Millennium Falcon.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll buy it for Jeff as a gag gift
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Speaker 3: or something. And I was like how much and they
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Speaker 3: said seventy seven dollars and I said that's a little
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Speaker 3: more than I want to spend, and that man, fresh
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Speaker 3: off of complimenting my Mariah Carey sweatshirt, went, it's not
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Speaker 3: just a cute thing to look at, like, yeah, I know, goodbye.
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Speaker 1: He was very touchy. I got the feeling that maybe
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the first time that someone had questioned whether
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Speaker 1: it was worth set. And you know what, I didn't
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Speaker 1: send you any judgment coming off of you when you
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Speaker 1: said that, and like these are handcrafted items, like you
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Speaker 1: can charge seventy that's fine. It was funny to get
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Speaker 1: very touchy about it, I guess, but yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: the Millennium Falcon. Though it had the little cockpit off
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Speaker 1: the side of the little round cockpit.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to get the guy in copyright trouble.
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Speaker 3: I don't want well, George Lewis.
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Speaker 1: We're not saying his name, and I'm sure, I'm almost
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Speaker 1: positive he wasn't the only person selling Oregon blasters there.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely not, because there were multiple shops centered
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Speaker 1: around just around ancient golden starships, yes, or ancient golden jets.
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Speaker 3: I think it's called the Jaikara bird. Sure, I think
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Speaker 3: is one of the things they call that. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't stop at any of those places because
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Speaker 1: I don't really care about any of that stuff. The
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Speaker 1: people that was the most excited talk to were the
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Speaker 1: peace people, like the CBD guy, the people who who
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Speaker 1: just had obviously just bought a booth in this convention
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Speaker 1: to be like I've got this stuff, you know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it wasn't even all like UFO types. Like
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Speaker 3: there was an artist there. I hate that I can't
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Speaker 3: remember his name, but he's at conventions all the time,
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Speaker 3: and like I have these Star Wars candles.
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Speaker 1: Oh, the pop art guy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he had that really cool painting that looked
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Speaker 3: like a TOUTSI pop rapper.
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Speaker 1: That stuff was fine. It had very much the vibe
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Speaker 1: of like a farmer's market version of Spencer's Gifts.
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Speaker 3: A little bit like there was.
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Speaker 1: Just kind of a little bit of everything all over
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Speaker 1: the place.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh, the weirdest thing, speaking of copyright infringement. So we're
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Speaker 1: walking around and all of a sudden, the giant robot
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Speaker 1: version of Wally comes rolling by, and I was very
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Speaker 1: surprised to see that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have video of some of that. There was
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Speaker 3: R two D two also, and.
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Speaker 1: Then there was also R two D two and there's
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Speaker 1: like the five oh First, which is a very famous
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Speaker 1: Star Wars cosplaying group, a bunch of nerds. They were there,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I feel like the theming is totally
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Speaker 1: lost here. I was not expecting to see like Disney
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Speaker 1: like branded shit. It was very jarring to have like
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Speaker 1: these very specific characters.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they did seem out of place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because like almost everybody else is there because they
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Speaker 1: honestly believe in some sort of alien or occult or
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Speaker 1: alternate medicine type thing, right, So it's weird to have
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Speaker 1: like cosplayers and like robot builders playing around with R
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Speaker 1: two D two and shit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm normally a sucker for those kind of situations,
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Speaker 3: those like marketplace things at a con, in that I'm
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Speaker 3: always gonna buy something. Yeah, and this time around. I didn't.
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Speaker 3: There were a couple T shirts. There was a really
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Speaker 3: funny T shirt that had a picture of a UFO
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Speaker 3: on it and it said weather balloon y underneath it.
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Speaker 1: It was a good one.
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Speaker 3: But also I can probably get that at six dollars
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Speaker 3: shirts or something. Yeah, I mean, why support small businesses?
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Speaker 3: But also I don't know how those motherfuckers voted, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the thing, man. There was that one
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Speaker 1: booth for the Skimwalker ranch where they had children. That's
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Speaker 1: another thing.
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Speaker 3: I almost bought that Bangwalker ranch hoodie was.
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Speaker 1: Now really bummed me out, Like really.
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Speaker 3: But I kind of disagree. I mean if you mean
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Speaker 3: from a child labor standpoint, no, I just means like
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Speaker 3: where I do disagree because that happens, like.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's an environment for la part. Yes,
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Speaker 1: a child, I'm not talking about teenagers or whatever, like
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about little kids.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more the thing where those kids are convinced
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Speaker 3: that there's a ranch in Utah that has like wormholes
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Speaker 3: to other dimensions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that stuff bums me out. It bums me out,
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Speaker 1: but whatever, man, And you know, and like I was
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Speaker 1: kind of in a very go with the flow kind
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Speaker 1: of attitude at it, just trying to asking questions, being open,
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Speaker 1: like we're laughing now, but we weren't there making fun
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Speaker 1: of anybody or like laughing at anything. Like we were
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Speaker 1: taking everybody very seriously if we talk to them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my beef with alien con is ancient
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Speaker 3: alien theory exactly. Like that's that's what I will take
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Speaker 3: issue with, not so much like these are just people
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Speaker 3: trying to make a fucking living, right right, that I'm
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Speaker 3: not there to make fun.
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Speaker 1: And this is what we were saying about, Like, you know,
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Speaker 1: we're walking through this and we go to a bunch
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Speaker 1: of booths, we talk to a bunch of people, we
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Speaker 1: eat some lunch, and we're like, is there an episode here?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: Because neither of us you know, it's fun to have
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Speaker 1: a little bit of laugh about the goofballs, but like
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Speaker 1: is that an episode?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? And I think I even said that those aren't
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Speaker 3: the people I want to like make fun of, right exactly.
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Speaker 3: Comedy Conspiracy podcast, Yeah, yeah, that's just that's regular ass people, man.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I had legitimately good interactions with basically
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Speaker 1: everybody that I talked to. Yeah, there, they were all
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Speaker 1: very genuine and forthright.
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Speaker 3: Before we move on to the other part of our
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Speaker 3: convention experience. I would just like to shout out anyone
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Speaker 3: who's planning to go to Alien Con next year. Sure,
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Speaker 3: if you're attending at the Pasadena Convention Center, order the
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Speaker 3: Chef's Special. Yeah, there's only one place to eat. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's got like six things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The Chef's Special is a bottle of water and tater
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Speaker 3: tots with cheese and sour cream and jalapenos on them. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and it is a delight. That was the highlight of
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Speaker 3: Alien Con for me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, don't order the chicken fingers. That
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Speaker 1: was a bad move.
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Speaker 3: They didn't even have barbecue sauce.
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Speaker 1: They didn't even have.
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Speaker 3: Did the fucking aliens take it? What do you mean? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I have barbecue, they aliens. How are you selling chick
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Speaker 3: contators without one of the most important components. They didn't
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Speaker 3: even have ranch.
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Speaker 1: No, and I don't even like ranch. Yeah, so that
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have helped. But like, they were gross and tough. Also,
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Speaker 1: so those tater tots, let me tell you, Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: tater tots are good.
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Speaker 3: They were good times.
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Speaker 1: They look good.
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, we we had kind of a crisis on
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Speaker 3: our hands back to the convention. Yeah, that's actually a
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Speaker 3: sponsored ad for the Pasadena Convention Center concession stand. We
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Speaker 3: get fourteen fifty per one thousand listens.
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Speaker 1: Hey, there you go.
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Speaker 3: So we did have a little crisis on our hands
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Speaker 3: because we were like, shit, this isn't yet really an
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Speaker 3: episode because the other thing I was hoping they would
17:47
Speaker 3: have one of my favorite things, like at La Comic Con,
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Speaker 3: which used to be called Kamakazi. I don't know why
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Speaker 3: they changed that name, or I went to when the
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Speaker 3: super Bowl was last year. Yeah, NFL always sets up
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Speaker 3: like a NFL convention kind of thing in this week
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Speaker 3: of and I went to that last year. And what
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Speaker 3: I like, as much as the marketplace thing is there's
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Speaker 3: always like exhibits at comic Con, they'll have you know,
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Speaker 3: comic book shit like Ironman suits and things and like
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Speaker 3: shit you can like look at and take pictures.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there wasn't.
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Speaker 3: Really any of that. No at Alien Con.
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Speaker 1: Not really. It was basically just a giant square marketplace and.
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Speaker 3: Show me a fucking moon rock already, come on.
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Speaker 1: And so we're desperately scrambling at the schedule, being like
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Speaker 1: we gotta find something to go to other than this marketplace, Like,
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Speaker 1: we don't want to leave feeling like we've left some
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Speaker 1: experience on the table.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if we had left at that point, I
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Speaker 3: don't think we would have necessarily done an episode.
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Speaker 1: No, probably not. This would have been it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the episode would be over right.
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Speaker 1: Because that's all I have to really say about at
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Speaker 1: the marketplace, because I don't want to be overly mean
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Speaker 1: to people.
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Speaker 3: Right, And that would have sucked because the tickets weren't expensive,
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Speaker 3: but they weren't cheap, Like I we didn't plan it
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Speaker 3: that well, but that's because they didn't promote it that well.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: Sure, and I didn't know this was happening. And I
19:17
Speaker 3: am such a conspiracy theory influencer, so I don't know
19:21
Speaker 3: why I wouldn't know. But I didn't hear about this
19:24
Speaker 3: until I was watching the local news like a fucking
19:27
Speaker 3: grandpa one morning and they said it was going to
19:31
Speaker 3: be in Pasadena, I think the following week. That's when
19:34
Speaker 3: I like started reaching out and texted me. Yeah, we
19:38
Speaker 3: ended up buying the tickets I think the day before,
19:41
Speaker 3: So we didn't plan it out that well.
19:44
Speaker 1: You know, it was a spur of the moment thing.
19:46
Speaker 3: Right, And so we get through the whole marketplace and
19:50
Speaker 3: we start looking at the schedule trying to figure out like,
19:53
Speaker 3: because there's presentations, right.
19:55
Speaker 1: That's all that's all you got for variety. All you
19:59
Speaker 1: have is the marketplace. And then you can wait in
20:04
Speaker 1: line and go sit in a room and listen to
20:07
Speaker 1: some people talk to you, right, and that's it.
20:10
Speaker 3: So first we headed to Jupiter and Venus. I don't
20:13
Speaker 3: think either of us at this point have any idea
20:16
Speaker 3: what that meant. Yeah, it was really I.
20:18
Speaker 1: Mean, you know, it's their cute names for their exhibition halls,
20:22
Speaker 1: right basically, and like and the lines were really long.
20:25
Speaker 3: The lines were really long. I wasn't sure what we
20:29
Speaker 3: were even going to see in there.
20:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like one of them was for something about very
20:35
Speaker 1: up our alley, like what does the government know about aliens?
20:39
Speaker 1: I mean, this sounds like a parody of a alien
20:44
Speaker 1: you know, it's some panel about what the government knows
20:47
Speaker 1: about aliens or something. And the other one was about cryptozoology, right,
20:52
Speaker 1: and we're like, one of these will be fine, or
20:55
Speaker 1: I guess we could go to the other building. Because
20:58
Speaker 1: we hadn't been to the other building, we didn't really
21:00
Speaker 1: know what the map was awful. It just showed what
21:04
Speaker 1: the names of the buildings.
21:05
Speaker 3: Were, even the signs, like it would be like Omni
21:09
Speaker 3: Hall and it's just pointing at the ground. It's no,
21:11
Speaker 3: it's not right there. What are you talking about? Right?
21:14
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we kind of gotten both lines.
21:16
Speaker 3: We stood in all the lines we could stand in,
21:20
Speaker 3: like we wanted. I wasn't going to be robbed of
21:22
Speaker 3: that rich experience of course of standing in various lines.
21:25
Speaker 1: And you know what, the line that we settled on
21:28
Speaker 1: for as long as it was, and it was very long,
21:31
Speaker 1: it was the longest one, right, it also went fastest.
21:35
Speaker 3: That's the thing. We kept deciding that the line we
21:38
Speaker 3: were in was too long, and then unknowingly jumping into
21:42
Speaker 3: longer lines.
21:44
Speaker 1: Just continually escalating until we're just like, yeah, well, I
21:47
Speaker 1: guess we're just here.
21:48
Speaker 3: Yeah. And now we're here and we're outside in.
21:50
Speaker 1: This line, and none of us knew what panel we
21:54
Speaker 1: were even in line for at this point, because we'd
21:57
Speaker 1: left the building that had the government won and the
22:00
Speaker 1: cryptozoology one, and we're like, fuck it, let's go see
22:03
Speaker 1: what's in the other building at least before relieve. And
22:06
Speaker 1: so we get there and there's a big line and
22:08
Speaker 1: so we're like, I guess we'll stand in this line.
22:10
Speaker 3: The line was huge, but it was also a huge auditorium,
22:14
Speaker 3: so that was promising.
22:15
Speaker 1: It seems like we're really hammering home how random it
22:19
Speaker 1: was that we ended up in this specific line.
22:22
Speaker 3: If not, I'd like to drive home. I really would,
22:25
Speaker 3: because there's a twist coming.
22:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had no idea what the panel was for,
22:31
Speaker 1: who was gonna be on it, you know, and what
22:33
Speaker 1: it was going to be about. And we're not gonna
22:36
Speaker 1: ask anyone around us because I don't think any of
22:40
Speaker 1: us wanted to talk to anyone who was well.
22:43
Speaker 3: I also didn't want to get called a poser. No,
22:45
Speaker 3: of course some guy that owns property in Roswell or.
22:48
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't talk to anyone who was around us,
22:51
Speaker 1: but I will say, and this is this is so embarrassing.
22:54
Speaker 1: There were so many women who were my type there.
22:57
Speaker 1: As I'm walking through, I'm like, oh, there's a huge
22:59
Speaker 1: way to Oh yeah, there's a really depressed weirdo. Cool, Hey,
23:04
Speaker 1: how's it going?
23:06
Speaker 3: Shoot?
23:07
Speaker 1: And like it would have been a disaster.
23:10
Speaker 3: So we're standing in this line, Yes, we're outside. Yeah,
23:13
Speaker 3: it's a huge auditorium. People are pouring in the line.
23:16
Speaker 1: Okay, so when you're standing facing the building, the line
23:19
Speaker 1: starts going around the corner of the building and disappears
23:24
Speaker 1: and then reappears coming back around right the corner of
23:28
Speaker 1: the building to the doors.
23:30
Speaker 3: So it was long. You don't really I mean, I
23:32
Speaker 3: guess we could have walked up and checked, but you
23:34
Speaker 3: don't really know what's around that corner.
23:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just know that it's really long. You don't
23:40
Speaker 1: know exactly how a log because it's part of it's
23:44
Speaker 1: a mystery.
23:45
Speaker 3: And speaking of mystery, I know we could have just
23:49
Speaker 3: walked up and seen how long it was, but I
23:52
Speaker 3: think the thing that kept us from doing that was
23:54
Speaker 3: probably the alien line corralling technology that they had in place.
23:58
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so as the line moves, it's you know,
24:03
Speaker 1: because it's one of those theme park ride lines that
24:06
Speaker 1: like snakes around. Yeah, it starts to move in and
24:10
Speaker 1: it takes several minutes before anyone that we can see
24:14
Speaker 1: on our side start moving. Right, and we get down
24:17
Speaker 1: there and it goes down a stairwell with a handrail.
24:22
Speaker 3: There's a railing between, and people.
24:24
Speaker 1: Are going up one and down the other.
24:26
Speaker 3: Right, you go down and then around and then back
24:30
Speaker 3: up this ramp, but because of.
24:33
Speaker 1: How the shape of the line had formed, apparently during
24:39
Speaker 1: the waiting period, people were, for no reason whatsoever, still
24:45
Speaker 1: maintaining the elongated walking line.
24:48
Speaker 3: Fifteen to twenty feet out of the way, yeah, with
24:52
Speaker 3: no barrier because the railing ends. And as I'm going down,
24:56
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, we should just turn right now.
24:58
Speaker 1: It's just very funny for group of people who probably
25:02
Speaker 1: including myself, all consider themselves free thinkers and.
25:07
Speaker 3: Like, it will never be as funny to the people
25:09
Speaker 3: listening as it was. It's us and that men in
25:13
Speaker 3: black looking gentleman who only one other guy kind of noticed,
25:17
Speaker 3: who let me bust the alien technology joke, because it
25:20
Speaker 3: was like we were all just walking around this invisible
25:23
Speaker 3: barrier for no reason.
25:25
Speaker 1: Funny. It was such a funny human psychology moment.
25:29
Speaker 3: Be funny if I tried to turn right and it
25:31
Speaker 3: just did that thing where it's like says brought to
25:34
Speaker 3: you by skin Walker Ranch when it buzzes you said.
25:38
Speaker 1: Someone look like in my beat. Like literally there were
25:42
Speaker 1: like four or five guys cosplaying as men in black
25:45
Speaker 1: costplaying is Federal Asian or whatever.
25:49
Speaker 3: Fucking fed.
25:50
Speaker 1: It's so weird. What a confused mythology.
25:55
Speaker 3: So we make our way into this auditorium, still not
25:58
Speaker 3: really sure what we're going to see, but.
26:00
Speaker 1: We noticed it's a big haul, right, It's way bigger
26:03
Speaker 1: than either of the rooms that we were waiting for.
26:05
Speaker 3: And we sit kind of in the back for obvious reasons,
26:09
Speaker 3: of course, we.
26:09
Speaker 1: Sit as close to the exit as we're abel Basically,
26:12
Speaker 1: this is.
26:12
Speaker 3: An Alien Con convention.
26:15
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm sitting on the io. Please.
26:18
Speaker 3: I wanted to be going to be a super liberal crowd.
26:20
Speaker 3: I wanted to could jump off in there.
26:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to be able to get out as
26:24
Speaker 1: fast as I possibly can.
26:26
Speaker 3: And so we're sitting there waiting for this presentation to
26:28
Speaker 3: start and there's a video screen in all it says
26:31
Speaker 3: is Alien Con twenty twenty three. We didn't really know
26:35
Speaker 3: what we were to see.
26:36
Speaker 1: Again, still no preface of get ready, I mean until
26:40
Speaker 1: you know the show starts or whatever.
26:42
Speaker 3: And so they finally come out and this panel that
26:46
Speaker 3: we randomly stumbled into as a last ditch measure to
26:51
Speaker 3: find something to talk about on the show.
26:53
Speaker 1: One thousand percent on accident, to the point that I said,
26:56
Speaker 1: I honestly would rather not see.
26:59
Speaker 3: Bloe, right, So the first person who comes out is
27:05
Speaker 3: the moderator and he's an executive producer on Ancient Aliens,
27:09
Speaker 3: and I'm like, fuck off, I don't care. That's nothing.
27:12
Speaker 1: This whole thing is like brought to you by ancients.
27:15
Speaker 3: And then I also didn't get my hopes up when
27:18
Speaker 3: the next guy came out. I didn't even write his
27:20
Speaker 3: fucking name down. He was described as Robert Downey Junior's
27:24
Speaker 3: spiritual guru, and it's like, I don't think you're doing
27:27
Speaker 3: that good, Like Robert Downey Junior seems like a little
27:31
Speaker 3: bit of a mess.
27:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he's Robert Downey Junior's career advisor.
27:36
Speaker 3: And so I didn't give a shit about that. No.
27:38
Speaker 3: But then, but then David Childress, who's people at home
27:42
Speaker 3: who are familiar with Ancient Aliens know he is a
27:45
Speaker 3: mainstay on that show. He's written a whole bunch of books.
27:48
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh shit, that's cool. And then
27:52
Speaker 3: the Aliens meme guy himself, Giorgio fucking suclos Yes, comes out,
27:59
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh man, we are at the panel. Yeah,
28:03
Speaker 3: and then god damn it, they say there's one more
28:07
Speaker 3: person coming out. Not for a brief second, I was like,
28:10
Speaker 3: please bring out an alien, Please bring out an alien,
28:13
Speaker 3: but even better, they bring out Eric von Danikin's Nazi. Yes,
28:18
Speaker 3: my god.
28:19
Speaker 1: I still can't really believe it.
28:22
Speaker 3: It's like when I saw Springsteen and he brought Neil
28:25
Speaker 3: Young out to play rocking in the Free World, and
28:27
Speaker 3: I was like, what what's happening?
28:29
Speaker 1: But like the inverse of that, the total opposite feeling,
28:35
Speaker 1: because I mean, obviously I was like, well, we obviously
28:38
Speaker 1: have an episode now.
28:41
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, we are for sure gonna have
28:42
Speaker 3: some stuff to talk about.
28:44
Speaker 1: But also I'm like, oh no, I'm in the same
28:47
Speaker 1: room as Ericakin.
28:49
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And they were like selling pictures like you
28:53
Speaker 3: could take pictures of Georgiosukulos. It's like, yeah, I'm not
28:57
Speaker 3: having that pop up on my social media fifteen years now.
29:00
Speaker 3: When people finally figure out what Ancient Aliens really is,
29:03
Speaker 3: it's so fucked up.
29:04
Speaker 1: Oh man. I kind of freaked out a little bit,
29:07
Speaker 1: not in a good way. When Eric von Dannigan came.
29:10
Speaker 3: Out, Yeah, it's like, is this a trap?
29:12
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, But also this is the panel.
29:16
Speaker 1: These are all of the heavy hitters that they advertised
29:19
Speaker 1: from the Ancient Aliens. World on one panel, so you
29:24
Speaker 1: know that it's gonna be interesting.
29:27
Speaker 3: And it was right off the bat. The first thing
29:30
Speaker 3: that happened. I don't know if you recall, but I
29:33
Speaker 3: took detailed notes because you weren't allowed to film, right,
29:36
Speaker 3: you weren't allowed to record.
29:37
Speaker 1: And I bless you for your detailed notes because I
29:39
Speaker 1: can remember the event, but like to say what happened
29:43
Speaker 1: in what order? I don't think I possibly could. It's
29:45
Speaker 1: a blur of just a bunch of overlapping, mildly worrying voices.
29:53
Speaker 3: And the first of those worrying voices was Giorgio Sukulos, who,
29:57
Speaker 3: as it turns out, has definitely heard your concerns America
30:01
Speaker 3: about ancient aliens being racist, because at various points he'd
30:06
Speaker 3: be like, is that racist?
30:08
Speaker 1: And it's like, yes, two separate people, two separate people
30:13
Speaker 1: on a four person panel.
30:15
Speaker 3: Let's wait before we get into the full details of
30:18
Speaker 3: the other one.
30:18
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything else. I'm just saying two
30:20
Speaker 1: people made those kinds of jokes to the same response.
30:25
Speaker 3: Yes, applause fucking seals. So the first person to speak
30:31
Speaker 3: is Giorgio Suclos, and yeah, I took notes. I wasn't
30:35
Speaker 3: even sure if I was supposed to do that whatever,
30:37
Speaker 3: but I had my phone down, and I think they
30:39
Speaker 3: were just looking for people who had.
30:40
Speaker 1: Their phone out exactly.
30:42
Speaker 3: Georgio Suklos. He talked about pan spermia. Yes, right away.
30:46
Speaker 3: I was like, sperm that's funny.
30:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like they say that word a lot,
30:53
Speaker 1: they said it a whole lot. That seems to be
30:56
Speaker 1: the new hotness as far as like the scientific sounding
30:59
Speaker 1: where for this absolute bullshit?
31:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if I grasp correctly, and I'm you know,
31:05
Speaker 3: just spitballing here, going off the top of my head.
31:08
Speaker 3: So if there's any pan spermia experts listening, fuck off.
31:12
Speaker 3: It seems like the general idea of pan spermia is
31:15
Speaker 3: like something just floats down from the heavens, sure and
31:19
Speaker 3: lands on Earth, and that clash leads to life.
31:23
Speaker 1: It's like have you seen Ridley Scott's Prometheus, Yes, which
31:28
Speaker 1: is a great movie, and it begins with pan spermia.
31:32
Speaker 1: It begins with an alien coming down to Earth and
31:36
Speaker 1: drinking a thing and then dying and then becoming life.
31:40
Speaker 3: Basically, now, that would be direct pan spermia, yes.
31:44
Speaker 1: Which is they make very clear it's a different thing
31:48
Speaker 1: than it just being random, I guess.
31:50
Speaker 3: And that's what Giorgio Suklos wanted to talk about, right,
31:54
Speaker 3: that's what he believes in direct pan spermia.
31:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's a scientific I'm not good. I mean,
32:02
Speaker 1: it's a fake scientific term. It's not like it describes
32:05
Speaker 1: a real event.
32:06
Speaker 3: But yeah, oh man, more like pangizia am I right,
32:11
Speaker 3: because that's like a slang. Right, So yeah, he talked
32:15
Speaker 3: about that for a bit, and then Eric von Danikin
32:18
Speaker 3: basically did fifteen minutes of stand up comedy.
32:21
Speaker 1: Eric Vondanakin. I'm not gonna say that Eric Vondanakan had
32:26
Speaker 1: just taken cocaine before coming on stage. End of sentence.
32:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would never say Eric von Danikin was under
32:35
Speaker 3: the influence of any stimulants.
32:37
Speaker 1: No, not at all. But he liked to talk, he
32:40
Speaker 1: sure did. And he liked to talk a lot, and
32:43
Speaker 1: he liked to talk when at least once might have
32:46
Speaker 1: happened more than once, a question is directly addressed to
32:50
Speaker 1: one of the other panelists and Eric Vondanakin just answered it.
32:55
Speaker 3: It was great it did happen twice because the first
32:59
Speaker 3: time it happened, the audience was just like, oh, just
33:02
Speaker 3: let that old coot right. Yeah. And then because it
33:05
Speaker 3: happened to the same person like Eric Vankin for a
33:08
Speaker 3: minute just thought his name was William because fucking iron
33:12
Speaker 3: Man's advisor at the end of the line was named William.
33:17
Speaker 3: And the moderator asked William a question and Eric von
33:20
Speaker 3: Danakin took it. Yeah, and then when Eric von Danakin
33:23
Speaker 3: got done talking forty five minutes later, I tried to
33:29
Speaker 3: ask William another question and Eric von Danakin was like, William,
33:34
Speaker 3: that's me Eric. Then everyone laughs. Yeah.
33:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now Eric von Danakan's answers to these questions do
33:40
Speaker 1: they make sense?
33:41
Speaker 3: No?
33:42
Speaker 1: No, they didn't make any sense.
33:44
Speaker 3: They were wild. He really did, just kind of seem
33:49
Speaker 3: like he was rambling. Yeah, a little bit.
33:51
Speaker 1: He dominated the panel basically.
33:54
Speaker 3: He sure did. He talked about religious texts a lot.
33:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:57
Speaker 3: He is insistent that because the Bible says God needed
34:02
Speaker 3: a vehicle mm hmm. He's like, well, my God doesn't
34:05
Speaker 3: need a vehicle. Yeah, we're talking about something else. It's like, damn,
34:08
Speaker 3: that's you built an entire industry on that leap.
34:12
Speaker 1: Well, and that story that you're talking about, that's a
34:16
Speaker 1: story that took place when he was in Catholic school.
34:19
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so like when he was young, and he's
34:23
Speaker 1: just that's what his whole life has been based on
34:27
Speaker 1: that and lies.
34:28
Speaker 3: He was never young.
34:30
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe. I bet he was probably pretty
34:34
Speaker 1: old when Chariots of the Gods came out. It's very
34:38
Speaker 1: funny that Chariots of the Gods exists and has been
34:42
Speaker 1: thoroughly debunked in every possible way that it could possibly
34:47
Speaker 1: be debunked, and yet A and E Entertainment hires this
34:52
Speaker 1: man with no Nazi ties to come be just a
34:58
Speaker 1: casual panel at their fun goofy alien convention.
35:03
Speaker 3: Eric von Danakin was a question on Jeopardy not too
35:05
Speaker 3: long ago. I texted you when it happened. Yeah, oh yeah.
35:09
Speaker 3: The answer was Chariots of the Gods. But Eric von
35:12
Speaker 3: Danakin's name was in the question. That documentary got nominated
35:16
Speaker 3: for an oscar.
35:17
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it was huge. We talked about it in
35:19
Speaker 1: the episode and it was all bullshit.
35:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did a whole episode on Chariots.
35:25
Speaker 1: Of the Gids. His theories have evolved though.
35:29
Speaker 3: Oh yes, But we can't talk about Eric von danikin
35:32
Speaker 3: the whole time as much as he would like it
35:34
Speaker 3: if we did, because we also have to talk about
35:37
Speaker 3: David Childress's bitch about Bigfoot.
35:40
Speaker 1: Oh that was so weird.
35:42
Speaker 3: He said, some of the weirdest things I've ever heard
35:45
Speaker 3: about Bigfoot in my life. At one point, he says
35:49
Speaker 3: Bigfoot is like us, but doesn't have speech ability. It's like, man,
35:53
Speaker 3: you're describing every animal.
35:57
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Bigfoot thing. I didn't understand why
36:01
Speaker 1: we were all of a sudden talking about Bigfoot. No
36:04
Speaker 1: clue what it had to do with anything.
36:07
Speaker 3: He also said bigfoot doesn't eat cooked food.
36:10
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that who.
36:12
Speaker 3: Does besides us?
36:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's a big part of our whole thing.
36:16
Speaker 3: Like there's dogs out there fucking pan frying the scraps
36:19
Speaker 3: they find on the street.
36:20
Speaker 1: He's thinking about, like the dragons on Game of Thrones.
36:23
Speaker 1: That's why they breathe fire because they need.
36:25
Speaker 3: To cook their food. Yeah, they like a seared steak.
36:31
Speaker 1: Honestly, listeners, if anyone has an example of an animal
36:36
Speaker 1: that needs to cook their meat, please let me know.
36:38
Speaker 3: And some nerdlinger is going to reply and be.
36:42
Speaker 1: Like, actually, with what I would like to know. I
36:45
Speaker 1: really don't think there is one. I mean needs to
36:50
Speaker 1: cook like we need to cook.
36:51
Speaker 3: I mean, it would be weirder if it was an
36:53
Speaker 3: animal that just like science has no idea this happens.
37:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when like dolphins kind of seemed to
37:05
Speaker 1: salt women for fun. Yeah, you know, it's like we
37:08
Speaker 1: have no idea why it's some weird thing.
37:12
Speaker 3: It's just their thing. It's it's just what they're into.
37:15
Speaker 3: Let's name a football team after him.
37:17
Speaker 1: Look, Dolphins are great. I got nothing against dolphins.
37:21
Speaker 3: Did you catch any of iron Man's neo cortex activated stuff?
37:27
Speaker 1: That seems to be a big deal. Just the idea
37:30
Speaker 1: that the neo cortex represents like consciousness, I guess in
37:36
Speaker 1: this theory, Like no, this is rooted in real science.
37:39
Speaker 1: But like, you know, the idea is that when our
37:41
Speaker 1: neo cortex is activated, which I guess means we evolved
37:46
Speaker 1: it or what. I don't know what that means.
37:48
Speaker 3: Sounds like evolution. Yeah, but like and I think he's
37:51
Speaker 3: suggesting that no aliens came down and did that.
37:53
Speaker 1: Sure, they like flipped the switch tea and yeah, and
37:58
Speaker 1: gave us a neo cortex, But like, I don't know
38:00
Speaker 1: that that's true. I'm gonna say I doubt you know,
38:05
Speaker 1: pres X to doubt. It's a video gaming name.
38:09
Speaker 3: So Eric von Danakin was just he was throwing spaghetti
38:12
Speaker 3: at the wall to see if it sticks.
38:14
Speaker 1: Maybe he went to go see his doctor earlier. I
38:16
Speaker 1: don't know, doctor feel Good. He still goes to see
38:19
Speaker 1: doctor feel Good. He's still in business. But just for
38:22
Speaker 1: Eric von Danikin.
38:23
Speaker 3: He said there are two kinds of people religious in science,
38:26
Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, listen to our lost podcast.
38:29
Speaker 1: Sure of course, man of science, man of faith.
38:31
Speaker 3: He said Neanderthals and humans were not the same. That's true, true. Sure.
38:35
Speaker 3: He also brought up the hobbit people of Indonesia, and
38:37
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's not an offensive way to put that
38:40
Speaker 3: at all. Yeah.
38:42
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if he was referring to like people
38:45
Speaker 1: who we would call pygmies, but I don't know. It
38:49
Speaker 1: was very unclear. Obviously, anything having to do with race
38:53
Speaker 1: was extremely loaded.
38:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is the point where after Georgie Sukulos
39:01
Speaker 3: gives this impassioned plea for ad the believers of the
39:07
Speaker 3: Bible and evolution and believers of ancient alien theory, his
39:11
Speaker 3: thing is, well, it's it's all correct, and we just
39:13
Speaker 3: need to meet in the middle. It's like, I don't
39:15
Speaker 3: think that's actually where you're going.
39:16
Speaker 1: Actually can't be all correct. Yeah, that's unfortunately they're very incompatible.
39:21
Speaker 3: And after that, Eric von Danakin goes off on this
39:25
Speaker 3: spiel and he says, and I know we're not supposed
39:29
Speaker 3: to say this word, yeah, but race and man did
39:34
Speaker 3: a palpable tension fall over the room when Eric von dani.
39:39
Speaker 1: Or at least our row. Yeah, I know I tensed up.
39:44
Speaker 3: I think I audibly gas.
39:45
Speaker 1: I tinsed up when he said and I know we're
39:48
Speaker 1: not supposed to say this, because I'm like, oh no,
39:52
Speaker 1: I was actually honestly a little relieved when it was
39:55
Speaker 1: just the word race.
39:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he said like some nonsense.
39:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just talking about it in like a
40:01
Speaker 1: D and D term due it was kind of weird,
40:03
Speaker 1: like like when he was talking about how giants was
40:06
Speaker 1: him who exclaimed that giants were real?
40:09
Speaker 3: I want to say that was David Children.
40:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just remember that being a big moment, well, because.
40:16
Speaker 3: He had that whole thing about how people are actually
40:19
Speaker 3: getting smaller.
40:20
Speaker 1: Oh that was fucking bzarre. Oh. I forgot about that
40:26
Speaker 1: part until just now.
40:27
Speaker 3: Holy shit, Because I believe science says the opposite.
40:31
Speaker 1: It's absolutely from based of the archaeological evidence, the opposite.
40:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I could tell that's a hill he will
40:37
Speaker 3: die on.
40:38
Speaker 1: He had a whole speech planned for this topic, and
40:45
Speaker 1: I'm like, this topic.
40:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was fired out.
40:49
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of the details of it because
40:52
Speaker 1: it didn't make any sense to me at the time
40:55
Speaker 1: and so my brain couldn't retain it.
40:57
Speaker 3: Yeah. That felt like the moment where everyone else at
41:00
Speaker 3: the table was like David's changed, guys.
41:04
Speaker 1: He used to be cool, let's become of course. Eric
41:08
Speaker 1: vandank And was like, oh, remember when Eric Vontanakin mentioned
41:12
Speaker 1: destroying the Israelites. Yes, And I was like, man, in
41:17
Speaker 1: that accent, that sounds bad.
41:20
Speaker 3: That sounded very bad coming from even though he.
41:23
Speaker 1: Was not talking about like he was talking about like
41:27
Speaker 1: biblical stuff, but like it also felt vaguely anti Semitic. Anyway,
41:32
Speaker 1: he kept claiming that he was Jewish.
41:34
Speaker 3: Something like that.
41:36
Speaker 1: That was really weird to me because he's definitely not.
41:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't tell if he was like claiming he
41:43
Speaker 3: was Jewish or.
41:44
Speaker 1: Just because that's a weird defense against anti Semitism.
41:48
Speaker 3: It sure is.
41:49
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's gonna play out for him.
41:52
Speaker 3: Call that the George Santos defense.
41:55
Speaker 1: I don't know. He kept referring to our Jewish faith,
41:59
Speaker 1: and I think maybe what he actually meant was like.
42:02
Speaker 3: The collective Judeo Christian right or Judaism.
42:06
Speaker 1: Maybe sure, but it really felt like he was trying
42:10
Speaker 1: to say that he was Jewish. But I looked, and
42:13
Speaker 1: first of all, I knew that he was born a
42:15
Speaker 1: German Catholic, but also I looked to see if there
42:19
Speaker 1: had been updates, and I was not able to find
42:22
Speaker 1: any information about it.
42:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot the part from David Childress's thing about
42:29
Speaker 3: people getting smaller. Remember when he said it's because of war,
42:33
Speaker 3: and he liked, yes, oh yes, that's the whole thing
42:36
Speaker 3: that was.
42:37
Speaker 1: That was the center of his whole argument. Now it's
42:39
Speaker 1: coming back where he's like, yeah, because think about it,
42:44
Speaker 1: we've had so many this guy, first of all, talk
42:46
Speaker 1: about definitely not on any sort of like we've had
42:50
Speaker 1: NonStop war throughout our history. And who do we send
42:54
Speaker 1: to fight the war. The tallest, the biggest, and the
42:58
Speaker 1: strongest of our society. They go out and fight and
43:03
Speaker 1: die in the war. And that's why we're getting smaller, and.
43:07
Speaker 3: It's like, what does this have to do with anything?
43:10
Speaker 1: Didn't have to do with any of the things that
43:12
Speaker 1: he was responding to, but it was definitely it was entertaining.
43:16
Speaker 1: I didn't understand the single word of it, but man,
43:20
Speaker 1: I remember that now because that's what he's saying, like,
43:22
Speaker 1: you know, the giants, man, the giants. I'm making him
43:26
Speaker 1: sound like fucking Shaggy from Scooby.
43:28
Speaker 3: Se sounds good, Shaggy giants, that's his whole vibe.
43:33
Speaker 1: But yeah, what a we're getting sore man. And look,
43:37
Speaker 1: I feel bad about making fun of any vendors at
43:41
Speaker 1: the marketplace. I don't feel bad at all about making
43:45
Speaker 1: fun of any of these motherfuckers who make so much
43:48
Speaker 1: goddamn money on this awful bullshit.
43:51
Speaker 3: And it was such a preaching to the choir situation.
43:55
Speaker 3: Which that's the thing, Like if that is why we
43:58
Speaker 3: didn't get press passes.
44:00
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing, Like that's why I
44:02
Speaker 1: said it might be the cherry to the God's things,
44:04
Speaker 1: but honestly, I don't know, who knows. Maybe they weren't
44:07
Speaker 1: accepting anybody. We walked past the A and E press
44:10
Speaker 1: check in desk, and it seemed pretty slow got to say.
44:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is true, and yeah, like Giorgio Suculos, he
44:18
Speaker 3: kept going back to that kind of talking point.
44:21
Speaker 1: He's just a fucking showbiz guy. Everything he said rings
44:24
Speaker 1: so fucking fake to me. I don't believe for a
44:27
Speaker 1: second that he actually believes any of this shit. Yeah,
44:31
Speaker 1: everything he was talking about just seems so disingenuous. He
44:34
Speaker 1: was kept, you know, egging for applause and shit.
44:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, at one point he said, who's insulting who?
44:40
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you see the thing when he came out,
44:42
Speaker 1: he like switched two of the name tags so he
44:45
Speaker 1: was sitting in a different spot.
44:47
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was that about?
44:49
Speaker 1: I don't know. People laughed. So maybe it was a
44:51
Speaker 1: joke about him wanting to sit between Eric and someone else.
44:55
Speaker 1: I don't know.
44:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he's got like beef with David Childress.
44:58
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know.
45:00
Speaker 3: Differing opinions, and you know.
45:01
Speaker 1: What, I don't care about that at all. I care
45:04
Speaker 1: about what they're saying at this bullshit thing.
45:07
Speaker 3: Yes, but also this was around the point where I
45:10
Speaker 3: stopped caring about what they were saying.
45:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean they talked for I didn't look
45:16
Speaker 1: at a clock, so I wasn't sure. It could have
45:18
Speaker 1: been ten minutes, It could have been an hour that
45:21
Speaker 1: we had been listening to them just kind of re
45:25
Speaker 1: associate about various topics relating to ancient aliens and things
45:30
Speaker 1: of that sort, and then they got a Q and
45:34
Speaker 1: a right.
45:35
Speaker 3: Well, Giorgio Suklos brought it home talking about bottlenecks and yes,
45:41
Speaker 3: evolutionary evolutionary bottlenecks, and how we've survived two of those,
45:47
Speaker 3: that a third one is coming sure, and that we
45:51
Speaker 3: might not survive that one. And I took that opportunity
45:54
Speaker 3: just because people had been applauding at the weirdest point
45:57
Speaker 3: throughout the night when he said we might not survive
46:01
Speaker 3: the third, when I just started and no one joined me,
46:05
Speaker 3: it was weird. But it seems like his opinion is
46:09
Speaker 3: that we survived those because aliens came down and helped,
46:11
Speaker 3: and now they're not gonna because we're not nice anymore,
46:14
Speaker 3: sure because we're mean to Yeah, ancient.
46:18
Speaker 1: He made a couple of right and left. They just
46:21
Speaker 1: need to come together, man. He said that a few times,
46:24
Speaker 1: in addition to like talking about like religion and science
46:27
Speaker 1: coming together.
46:28
Speaker 3: And like facts. But I don't want to hear that
46:31
Speaker 3: from him, especially because of that documentary we covered a
46:34
Speaker 3: while back where the guy was like, no, you can
46:36
Speaker 3: see it in a person's DNA if they're like extra
46:39
Speaker 3: enhanced and aliens and maybe people who've been impacted by
46:42
Speaker 3: them deserve some reparations. And also Jena.
46:45
Speaker 1: Side Yeah, I mean like, I don't know, I find
46:49
Speaker 1: the whole ideology such a bummer, and it's so obviously
46:52
Speaker 1: just money for him. I don't know, like he'll just
46:55
Speaker 1: go with whatever bullshit theory that anyone wants to come up.
47:00
Speaker 1: I've never really watched Ancient Aliens. I'm gonna say that now.
47:03
Speaker 1: I've only watched maybe a full No, I don't think
47:07
Speaker 1: I've ever watched a full episode.
47:09
Speaker 3: I at one point had seen it all, but that
47:11
Speaker 3: was like eighteen seasons ago. Because it's like seventy five
47:14
Speaker 3: seasons of the show, I am going no idea.
47:17
Speaker 1: How yeah, it's been going for so long. Every episode
47:20
Speaker 1: I have to imagine is the exact same. I have
47:23
Speaker 1: to imagine that every week they just air the same episode.
47:26
Speaker 3: Well, we meaning me and Laura Crawford at one point
47:30
Speaker 3: tried to do like what you and I did. I
47:33
Speaker 3: remember Jesse Ventura think yeah and we got like a
47:37
Speaker 3: few episodes here, and it's like it's just gonna be
47:39
Speaker 3: the same thing every fucking time we talk about yeah
47:41
Speaker 3: show we gave up.
47:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also it's like all white supermassis. Shit. Yeah
47:45
Speaker 1: it sucked, but yeah, it was a weird event.
47:49
Speaker 3: Man.
47:49
Speaker 1: The energy in the room was weird.
47:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there was the Q and A.
47:53
Speaker 1: Right, and then there was the Q and A. We
47:54
Speaker 1: both kind of were like, oh, oh, this is where
47:58
Speaker 1: it's really.
47:59
Speaker 3: I fastened my seat they announced that was happening.
48:01
Speaker 1: The event has finally begun. This has all been like
48:05
Speaker 1: the twenty like at the movie theater, you know, like
48:08
Speaker 1: it's not even the trailers. It's just like the little
48:11
Speaker 1: ads beforehand.
48:13
Speaker 3: And it was such a weird mix of like m
48:16
Speaker 3: m people coming up and being like thank you for
48:20
Speaker 3: everything you've done for society, and it's like, people, it's
48:24
Speaker 3: a TV show, Yeah, what have they done?
48:26
Speaker 1: What have they done for society?
48:29
Speaker 3: And then there were also people who were asking questions
48:33
Speaker 3: but in that way where they either knew what the
48:36
Speaker 3: answer was gonna be or they were like trying to
48:38
Speaker 3: impress everybody on the stage.
48:40
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know if anybody actually ever asked a
48:44
Speaker 1: question like, they would always say I've got a question,
48:47
Speaker 1: and then they would ramble for a little while. Yeah,
48:50
Speaker 1: and then they would stop talking and expectantly wait.
48:55
Speaker 3: It was a lot like the Chris Farley sketch where
48:59
Speaker 3: they'd be like, you remember when you and John Lennon
49:03
Speaker 3: wrote that song? Yeah, that was cool. Yeah. Those are
49:06
Speaker 3: the kind of questions people were thrown out there.
49:09
Speaker 1: Right multiple times. The panelists and again, these are four
49:13
Speaker 1: people who are fucking nut jups had to be like,
49:16
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't understand your question.
49:21
Speaker 3: Yes, And it was the only time me and that
49:24
Speaker 3: panel really agreed on anything. Yeah, I also did not
49:29
Speaker 3: understand most of those questions.
49:31
Speaker 1: There were some like and I've talked about this on
49:33
Speaker 1: the show before. There was a guy who was talking
49:36
Speaker 1: about I was genetically modified, and like I've got micro
49:40
Speaker 1: chips under my skin, and I'm like, oh my god,
49:43
Speaker 1: I really hope that guy's okay.
49:45
Speaker 3: And he was. He was also the one who was like,
49:47
Speaker 3: in the aliens, they have a message right that I'm
49:50
Speaker 3: supposed to deliver, which is that they're not coming here
49:53
Speaker 3: to harm us. And I was like, that's what the
49:55
Speaker 3: aliens who are coming here to harm us would say.
49:57
Speaker 1: That's what they would do through your psychically hijacked.
50:01
Speaker 3: If that's true, that was an alien inside.
50:04
Speaker 1: I don't know that I trust that from that source.
50:07
Speaker 1: But also like.
50:08
Speaker 3: Part was awkward in a little second, that was that
50:12
Speaker 3: was a bummer. It really that that happens every fucking alien.
50:16
Speaker 1: And what did they say? Thank you for sharing your story,
50:19
Speaker 1: thank you for your courage, Thank you for your courage.
50:21
Speaker 1: Now please don't go and cut your skin open trying
50:25
Speaker 1: to dig the micro chips out.
50:27
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that was rough. Yeah, remember the guy talking,
50:31
Speaker 3: what's the record? The guy kept bringing up and like.
50:34
Speaker 1: Oh the Akashak Record. Oh that was so funny. Oh
50:37
Speaker 1: my god. So this guy had this really long rambling
50:40
Speaker 1: question comment thing about like how about AI?
50:45
Speaker 3: About AI hacking or using AI to access.
50:49
Speaker 1: The Akashak Record Kahak record for people at home who
50:52
Speaker 1: don't know, the Akashak Record is a collective psychic history
50:57
Speaker 1: of the entire species' consciousness supposedly exists and the ether
51:02
Speaker 1: literally a e t e art of the world, like
51:05
Speaker 1: in the occult sense, right, and so basically it's a
51:09
Speaker 1: library of all human existence. And he's saying, yeah, like
51:13
Speaker 1: the way that we use AI to like search for
51:16
Speaker 1: porn on the cloud? Can we use AI to access
51:20
Speaker 1: the Acacak record? And he said that and then they
51:23
Speaker 1: were like, I'm sorry, we didn't understand. You know, they
51:26
Speaker 1: would kind of talk a little bit. They weren't doing
51:28
Speaker 1: the we didn't understand what you were saying, but they
51:30
Speaker 1: did keep saying over and over having him repeat a
51:33
Speaker 1: Kashak record. He said it like four times, and then
51:38
Speaker 1: Georgio was like, oh, you mean the Acacak record And
51:43
Speaker 1: the guy was like, yeah, that's what I've been saying.
51:46
Speaker 3: Like everyone except the panel heard him say as record
51:50
Speaker 3: a million times.
51:51
Speaker 1: It was really funny.
51:54
Speaker 3: And that was another of those questions where when he
51:57
Speaker 3: finally spit it out, it was just like what do
52:00
Speaker 3: you think of that?
52:01
Speaker 1: Yeah?
52:01
Speaker 3: And they were like, I don't know.
52:02
Speaker 1: Can we get out of supervise? Yeah? Like that's the
52:05
Speaker 1: thing about the Q, and it was it was like
52:07
Speaker 1: every bad Q and a thing that you could do
52:10
Speaker 1: in a row, one after the other. There was the
52:13
Speaker 1: girl who was like, I am new to the show.
52:17
Speaker 1: I was sick recently, so I caught up on ancient
52:20
Speaker 1: aliens and I'm learning about all this and I was
52:24
Speaker 1: just wondering if you'd ever thought about talking about the
52:28
Speaker 1: impact of hallucinogenics on the human brain and evolution and
52:32
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and they were like, yep, we've
52:35
Speaker 1: done that. Yeah.
52:36
Speaker 3: She made it clear that she hadn't watched the entire
52:39
Speaker 3: show yet, and she didn't even say have you ever
52:43
Speaker 3: thought about It? Was almost kind of like, well, why
52:47
Speaker 3: haven't you talked about?
52:49
Speaker 1: Yeah?
52:49
Speaker 3: That was the gens and psychedelics, Like that's a thing
52:52
Speaker 3: that people talk about in terms of aliens all the time.
52:55
Speaker 3: And they were like, we did. They named the episode
52:58
Speaker 3: that's such a desk plea for attention. Yeah, to be like,
53:02
Speaker 3: how come you're not talking about psychedelics even though I
53:04
Speaker 3: haven't seen the whole show.
53:05
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like maybe she was not psychedelics
53:08
Speaker 1: at the time. It seems like she was really into it.
53:10
Speaker 1: So that was a funny one. And then there was
53:13
Speaker 1: let's see, who were some of the other good questions?
53:17
Speaker 3: There were no good questions?
53:18
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean, like like stand out.
53:21
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to remember we did record audio of
53:25
Speaker 1: not to say we did, but I didn't we did.
53:29
Speaker 3: I didn't record any audio of anything.
53:31
Speaker 1: But it's not like anything that we could play in
53:33
Speaker 1: the episode, because that would not be good.
53:36
Speaker 3: No, but we could access the Akashak record and like
53:41
Speaker 3: go back and watch and then maybe do a separate
53:43
Speaker 3: episode where we attempt to answer all of those questions.
53:47
Speaker 1: Jugiedo famed horror manga artist. He did a really great
53:53
Speaker 1: story that involved the Akashak record. It was just really good.
53:56
Speaker 3: Didn't that sort of come up? I have something along
54:00
Speaker 3: those lines in the notes?
54:01
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't. I don't remember June Edo, Yeah, I
54:04
Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, what a time. It was wild.
54:08
Speaker 1: I just can't believe that we stumbled into the fucking
54:10
Speaker 1: panel with Eric von Danakin. Yeah, and he was a maniac. Yeah,
54:15
Speaker 1: he was at everything that I thought he would be.
54:17
Speaker 3: Yeah. It would be like going to a music festival
54:19
Speaker 3: and they don't tell you who's on what stage, right,
54:22
Speaker 3: just like randomly see the headliner.
54:24
Speaker 1: Right exactly, Yeah, exactly.
54:26
Speaker 3: Because it could have gone so many other ways.
54:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been awful, but we might not
54:31
Speaker 1: be having an episode.
54:33
Speaker 3: But because of the celestial intervention of our alien overlords,
54:40
Speaker 3: everything worked out. Yeah, and we got a whole episode
54:43
Speaker 3: out of our trip to Alien con.
54:45
Speaker 1: We should just watch Prometheus. I mean that would be good.
54:48
Speaker 3: Even if not for an episode. We should just fucking
54:50
Speaker 3: watch Prometheus. Yeah, it's a good movie.
54:52
Speaker 1: It is it to me just is a total annihilation
54:56
Speaker 1: of ancient alien theory as something that is desira or
55:00
Speaker 1: interesting or because it's just like, yeah, okay, sure, yeah
55:04
Speaker 1: aliens made us and then what right, Oh it turns
55:08
Speaker 1: out maybe that's awful.
55:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that's our episode. Right, Do we
55:13
Speaker 3: have any final thoughts? Would you go back to alien
55:15
Speaker 3: Con next year?
55:17
Speaker 1: Maybe? I feel like I've gotten everything that I need.
55:20
Speaker 3: I feel like it's gonna be like ancient Aliens in
55:23
Speaker 3: that you go back next year, right, pretty much the same.
55:26
Speaker 1: It'll just be a different Q and A right, and
55:29
Speaker 1: maybe maybe And I don't know if that's worth the
55:32
Speaker 1: price of admission. But for the one time it was interesting.
55:37
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the marketplace a lot.
55:39
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you're into alien stuff, yeah, sure,
55:42
Speaker 3: I gets in town.
55:44
Speaker 1: Even if you don't believe in any sort of alternative
55:48
Speaker 1: healing or whatever, like any sort of a cult or
55:52
Speaker 1: alternative thing that you can think of, if you have
55:54
Speaker 1: an interest in it at all, like as a curiosity
55:57
Speaker 1: that's basically the most constant and traded different kinds of
56:02
Speaker 1: that energy that you can get in one place. Yeah,
56:05
Speaker 1: but it's all sponsored by A and E, which is
56:07
Speaker 1: so fucking weird.
56:09
Speaker 3: Oh, should we just get a booth there next year?
56:11
Speaker 1: Fuck?
56:11
Speaker 3: You know, we should get a booth at a lot
56:14
Speaker 3: on next year. Adam, we would get murdered in the
56:16
Speaker 3: parking lot, but we should absolutely try to get I.
56:21
Speaker 1: Would actually be it. That would be fun.
56:23
Speaker 3: I think we might.
56:24
Speaker 1: I think that would be really fun.
56:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep our eyes okay.
56:27
Speaker 1: I mean if the fucking fibo first, can they're just
56:30
Speaker 1: cohos players come on now?
56:33
Speaker 3: Either that or we'll just get concession stand jobs and
56:36
Speaker 3: then quit at work that day.
56:38
Speaker 1: I'm good, not even for a joke. True, No, unless
56:45
Speaker 1: like you get like fifty dollars an hour working there,
56:49
Speaker 1: and I doubt it.
56:50
Speaker 3: Free Chef's Combo, get so Chef's Special. Sorry, yes, so
56:56
Speaker 3: I think that's our episode. Yeah, we did it.
56:59
Speaker 1: We did do it.
57:00
Speaker 3: We did go to Alien Con.
57:03
Speaker 1: The things we do for you people are Oh man,
57:06
Speaker 1: you better thank us, Olivia, thanks so much.
57:10
Speaker 3: Do you we have anything to plug before we get
57:12
Speaker 3: out of here?
57:14
Speaker 1: I mean not really. You can find me on the
57:16
Speaker 1: Dying website. Twitter dot com at high there hidar. Other
57:20
Speaker 1: than that, I don't care.
57:21
Speaker 3: We're about to record the season finale of the Lost podcast.
57:26
Speaker 3: That's it, which means the Lost podcast will be out
57:29
Speaker 3: publicly since Yeah, and if you're not a subscriber and
57:33
Speaker 3: haven't been listening to the Lost pod, now you'll be
57:36
Speaker 3: able to should without even giving us any money.
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Speaker 1: He's in one's ending and you know what, you know,
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Speaker 1: the cool thing about season two fucking owns. Yeah, season
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Speaker 1: two a lot so excited to start watching Lost season two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, check all that out. And uh, I
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Speaker 3: think that's it. Let's get out of here, Olivia say goodbye, bye, goodbye, everybody.
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Speaker 1: We love you.
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Speaker 3: People of Earth. Your planets have to be destroyed. Stretch, Stretch,
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Speaker 3: your planets have to be destroyed.