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This Is Your Debate on Drugs · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: So Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, Fauci's sitting up there at the top of
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, that guy's... Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's got it coming. Yeah. Did you like the pandemic?
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  Speaker 2: No mask in the picture. No mask in the picture.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of message, Fauci?
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  Speaker 1: How'd he do? Terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: This was like years ago. I'm just trying to go
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  Speaker 1: down the road of attacking him. Anyway, I thought you
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  Speaker 1: were going to bring out the Wuhan thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right, he did.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not homework.
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  Speaker 1: I did an interview about the book where someone said
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  Speaker 3: That is such a high school paper description.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say this. The length reads like people
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  Speaker 2: that had a deadline. And that's a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you were saying reads like people.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: No. It's for people who just read tweets all day,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Which is me. All right. Anyway, you can
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  Speaker 1: slash books now. Okay. Still get a pit in my
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  Speaker 1: stomach every time I say this, but the first debate
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  Speaker 1: between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is Thursday. As of now,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually happening. Joe Biden's prepping with his advisors at
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  Speaker 1: Camp David. Donald Trump is prepping in public with his fans.
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  Speaker 1: On Saturday, Trump spoke at a rally in Philly where
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  Speaker 1: he attacked the debate moderators and polled the audience on
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  Speaker 1: whether or not he should be civil to Biden at
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  Speaker 1: the debate. I'll let you guess what they preferred. He
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  Speaker 1: also trotted out the Biden will be on drugs attack again,
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  Speaker 1: only this time he added that Biden will be getting a, quote,
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  Speaker 1: shot in the ass. And in case that image isn't
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  Speaker 1: enough for you, Trump also talked about taking off his
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  Speaker 1: own shirt at the Faith and Freedom Coalition's annual conference
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  Speaker 1: in D.C. where he cast himself as a martyr for
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  Speaker 1: all of the, quote, wounds he's received and And also
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  Speaker 1: said a bunch of other crazy shit. Let's listen.
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  Speaker 5: If I took this shirt off, you'd see a beautiful,
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  Speaker 5: beautiful person. But you'd see wounds all over, all over me.
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  Speaker 5: I've taken a lot of wounds, I can tell you.
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  Speaker 5: More than I suspect any president ever.
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  Speaker 2: Who likes the Ten.
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  Speaker 5: Commandments, by the way, going up in the schools? They
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  Speaker 5: think it's such a bad thing. I said, has anyone
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  Speaker 5: read these? Thou shall not steal, thou shall. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: has anybody read this incredible stuff? It's just incredible. They
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  Speaker 5: don't want it to go up. So you gotta get
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  Speaker 5: out and vote just this time.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care. In four years, you don't have to vote, okay?
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  Speaker 3: In four years, don't vote. I don't care.
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  Speaker 5: But we'll have it all straightened out, so it'll be
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  Speaker 5: much different.
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  Speaker 1: You guys realize there's a non-zero chance he just read
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  Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments. before that event. This is some great stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen this?
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  Speaker 2: I also think that he could.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of thou's. What's going on there?
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  Speaker 2: I actually think he didn't read any of them. I
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  Speaker 2: think he could realize that the only other one he
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  Speaker 2: could remember is thou shalt not commit adultery. And so
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  Speaker 2: he's like, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really gone over on those. He's, of course,
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Ten Commandments because the governor of Louisiana
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  Speaker 1: just signed a law requiring every public school to display
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  Speaker 1: them in the classroom. which is something the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: said was unconstitutional when Kentucky tried it back in 1980.
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  Speaker 1: But of course, new Supreme Court, new state trying it,
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  Speaker 1: so who knows. Why do you guys think Trump's still
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  Speaker 1: pandering to Christian nationalists now that we're in the general election?
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  Speaker 1: Seems like he's already got their votes. Really leaning into
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  Speaker 1: the Jesus comparison there, the martyr and the wounds. He's
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  Speaker 1: really embracing that.
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's worth pointing out that five presidents
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  Speaker 3: were shot.
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  Speaker 1: While in office. That's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: So they probably had worse and more wounds.
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  Speaker 2: A horse fell on top of Ulysses S. Grant. I'm
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  Speaker 2: reading his personal memoirs. I'm reading his memoir.
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  Speaker 1: You guys, he's been talking about it nonstop. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I know the whole book.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, listen, Ulysses S.
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  Speaker 3: Grant, Great writer.
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  Speaker 2: Huge fan.
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  Speaker 3: Also, Ten Commandments is a lot like our book where
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  Speaker 3: it could have been nine chapters. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, two of them are about
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  Speaker 2: coveting and then acting on the coveting.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Don't commit adultery, but also don't lust after your
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  Speaker 3: neighbor's wife.
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  Speaker 1: Which everyone's broken that one. Redundant.
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  Speaker 3: I hear. Who lives down the block? What are we
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  Speaker 3: talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, what do you guys think about the pandering? What
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  Speaker 1: does he do at the Faith and Freedom Conference in D.C.?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they booked that in advance? They thought
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  Speaker 1: maybe the primary would still be happening?
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  Speaker 2: No, well, he says at the top of it that
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  Speaker 2: they tried to cancel it, but I told him, I'm
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  Speaker 2: too afraid to not go to the Faith and Freedom Conference,
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  Speaker 2: so they moved it to during the day so he
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  Speaker 2: could do the rally at night.
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  Speaker 1: Is he afraid he might.
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  Speaker 4: Go to hell?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think so. But I just
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  Speaker 2: view it as he's gone every year because I think
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  Speaker 2: that we forget because it feels like another era, but
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning, these were the people that went with
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  Speaker 2: Ted Cruz. These are the people that he had to
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  Speaker 2: kind of shore up. And so I think he views
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  Speaker 2: it as like keeping these people happy is just a
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  Speaker 2: useful thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I think every campaign
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  Speaker 3: he's run is just a base turnout election. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that there was a 2021 Pew poll about kind
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  Speaker 3: of like religion and public life. And in that poll,
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  Speaker 3: 54% said the federal government should enforce the separation of
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  Speaker 3: church and state. And you would imagine that putting the
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  Speaker 3: 10 commandments in public schools under cut set, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: that they 30% want public school teachers to be allowed
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  Speaker 3: to lead students in Christian prayers.
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  Speaker 1: 46 do not.
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  Speaker 3: So I think the general population generally opposes what he's
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  Speaker 3: offering there, the policy he's putting forward. But I think
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  Speaker 3: he knows that his base is animated by right-wing Christian
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  Speaker 3: nationalism and he's, you know, they're more likely to hear
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  Speaker 3: what he's saying here than kind of your average voter
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  Speaker 3: who might be offended by this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's right. I think that, um, the,
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  Speaker 1: the vulnerability for Trump in the general election is this
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  Speaker 1: Christian nationalist project 2025 stuff. I think people are, uh,
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  Speaker 1: even some people who've probably voted for him in the
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  Speaker 1: past are a little creeped out by some of the
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  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson, uh, wing of the party, the Mike Johnson
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  Speaker 1: wing of the party. And, you know, I do think
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  Speaker 1: the country is more religious than some liberals might believe, but, um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people want the Ten Commandments in your
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  Speaker 1: kid's school. I don't, like, even if you, even if,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, I grew up Catholic. I wouldn't want
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  Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments posted in the school, separation of churches.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty foundational to the country.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a funny moment in this, at the Faith
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  Speaker 2: and Freedom Summit, where he says, you may got, like,
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  Speaker 2: he's getting tons of applause. They're loving every second of it.
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  Speaker 2: And then he goes, now, this crowd may not care
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  Speaker 2: as much about this, but they're also going after Catholics.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a little bit of a, It's like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: long history there. Long history. You're wading into some troubled waters.
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  Speaker 3: He's not up to speed on the Huguenots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Huguenots. I was just in North Carolina for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days, and I was with a few
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  Speaker 2: different local candidates. And abortion is a huge issue. The
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  Speaker 2: extremism of Republicans on democracy is a huge issue. But
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  Speaker 2: the other really big issue that a lot of these
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  Speaker 2: candidates were talking about was the Republican legislature taking money
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  Speaker 2: from public schools and giving them to private and religious schools.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just a really big issue down there. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this is all part of that sort
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  Speaker 2: of right word Christian nationalist thing. that I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people don't like. This was at the end
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  Speaker 2: of what, a 90 minute or nearly 90 minute speech.
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  Speaker 2: So just at the very end of the speech, he
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  Speaker 2: gets into education and he's hitting all the, he's hitting
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  Speaker 2: the 10 commandments. He's talking about money for homeschooling to
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  Speaker 2: help pay for supplies for homeschooling. But then in a run,
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  Speaker 2: he basically says this.
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  Speaker 5: And I will not give one penny to any school
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  Speaker 5: that has a vaccine mandate or a mask mandate. And
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  Speaker 5: I will shut down the Federal Department of Education and
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  Speaker 5: we will move everything back to the states. And you
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  Speaker 5: know what we'll do? We'll give them about half the
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  Speaker 5: money that we send them now. And for half the money.
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  Speaker 3: They'll have a lot of money left over.
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  Speaker 5: We'll cut our budget in half and we'll spend less
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  Speaker 5: than half the money on education. We're going to save
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  Speaker 5: a fortune.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I know we're a nerd to Trump. That has
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  Speaker 2: to be one of the most unpopular things a mainstream
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  Speaker 2: candidate has said in a very long time. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to have education funding. We're going to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: all vaccine mandates.
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  Speaker 3: All of them.
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  Speaker 2: That's measles and mumps. That's a bunch of childhood illnesses.
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  Speaker 2: That's whooping cough.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what happened there. At Camp David,
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  Speaker 1: where Joe Biden is prepping debate, I can imagine, I
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  Speaker 1: will bet you that someone saw that tweet that Trump
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  Speaker 1: just said that. Maybe our pal Ben LeBolt. and alerted
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  Speaker 1: Mike Donilon and Ron Klain and everyone else, and Anita Dunn,
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  Speaker 1: everyone else at Debate Prep, and they instantly said, this
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  Speaker 1: has to be a moment at the debate. Because you're right,
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  Speaker 1: like cutting education in half, some people don't understand the like,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take it from the federal government and
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  Speaker 1: give it to the states because it sounds like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: then the states can control it. But actually admitting that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to cut it in half.
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  Speaker 2: You put that, so those are two, I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: those are two ads. You do the vaccine ads, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, side by side, with outbreaks of preventable childhood illnesses.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen them in Florida. We've seen them elsewhere because
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  Speaker 2: of this anti-vax fervor. That's one thing. The fact that
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  Speaker 2: he has already told corporations he wants to cut their
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  Speaker 2: taxes again, you put that side by side with, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to cut education funding in half and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to save a fortune. That is terrible politics. And Trump
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  Speaker 2: goes in front of these crowds and he's just used
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  Speaker 2: to the fact that that He's he that that that
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  Speaker 2: most of what he says in these speeches just basically
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  Speaker 2: goes unnoticed by anyone who wasn't in the room. But
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  Speaker 2: that was very bad. That is very bad.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, one of the things that overshadowed that
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  Speaker 1: comment was Trump continuing to accuse Biden of taking debate
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  Speaker 1: performance enhancing drugs. His surrogates are getting in on the game, too. Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Ronny Jackson, congressman from Texas, is apparently sending a letter
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  Speaker 1: to the White House demanding a drug test before the debate.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, a letter.
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  Speaker 1: Are these people fucking serious? Like, Lovett, you got any
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  Speaker 1: funny ideas for one-liners if this comes up in the debate?
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  Speaker 2: I had one pitch. I had one pitch, and here's
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  Speaker 2: my pitch. You know, Donald, I am on a performance-enhancing drug,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you right now what it is. Right
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  Speaker 2: before I come out on stage, Jill and I find
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  Speaker 2: a very private place where no one can see, and
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  Speaker 2: she tells me she loves me. And to have that
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  Speaker 2: kind of love, that true love, which you and I
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  Speaker 2: both know so well, that's all I need to come
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  Speaker 2: out here.
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  Speaker 3: But you and I both know so well, that's why.
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  Speaker 2: Just hit him, just like, because, you know, look, I've
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  Speaker 2: had the love of my life by my side at
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  Speaker 2: every debate, every big decision, and that kind of love,
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  Speaker 2: you know it, Donald.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should just say, yeah, I am. What's
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  Speaker 1: it to you, narc?
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  Speaker 3: What are the ethics of PEDs? What are we doing here?
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  Speaker 3: Barry Bonds being in the Hall of Fame? What are
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  Speaker 3: we even talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, none of your business, Donald. Take your own shit.
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  Speaker 2: Take whatever you need, Joe. Now we're dodging the question.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he does get a fucking shot. I hope
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  Speaker 2: they give him whatever they give Secretariat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: Take whatever you need.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you need to do, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually very controversial to say that Secretariat was using
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  Speaker 2: performance enhancing drugs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think all the horses were at that time.
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  Speaker 3: They all were on certain kind of steroids. But everyone's like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: when he died, his heart was four times the size
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  Speaker 3: of a normal horse's heart. It's like, Why do you
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  Speaker 3: think that happened? Because he loved you deeply.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Anyway, Dr. Ronnie, keep sending your fucking letters, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Trump's also been telling a new story on the campaign trail.
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  Speaker 1: about how he told Dana White, who runs the Ultimate
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  Speaker 1: Fighting Championship, that he should set up a, quote, migrant
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  Speaker 1: league of fighters who would compete against UFC fighters. Here
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  Speaker 1: he is over the weekend saying this.
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  Speaker 5: And I said, Dana, I have an idea. Why don't
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  Speaker 5: you set up a migrant league of fighters and have
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  Speaker 5: your regular league of fighters compete And then you have
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  Speaker 5: the champion of your league. These are the greatest fighters
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  Speaker 5: in the world. Fight the champion of the migrants.
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  Speaker 3: I think the migrant guy might win.
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  Speaker 2: That's how tough they are.
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  Speaker 5: He didn't like that idea too much, but actually it's
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  Speaker 5: not the worst idea I've ever had.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. He's had worse ideas.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Give me your huddled masses and I will put them
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: in a cage fighting league as public spectacle.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: We're just doing gladiators, right?
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: It's just gladiator.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: We're just bringing it back.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: It's just gladiator.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Gladiators 2 is coming out soon. This could be some
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: sort of sponsored content opportunity.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, on brand for the xenophobic game show host,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I guess, right?
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just, you know, he's finding a silly way
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: to say that they're a superhuman thing.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: What he likes to do is dehumanize people who aren't American.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: That's his shtick.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: It's always interesting when you road test these lines for
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: the first time and you can hear the audience being like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Like they're kind of like offended by that. Not offended,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: but they're shocked by it at least.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not surprised that Dana White didn't think it
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: was a good idea. And he's no lib. No, he
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: is not. He is not. So Trump's talking a lot
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: about migrants in the run up to the debate. And
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: he's been hinting at how he might attack Biden on
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: the issue Thursday night. Spoiler, he's not going to challenge
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: him to the Migrant League. But Greg Sargent over at
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: the New Republic wrote a piece about how Trump posted
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: the news of the gruesome murder of a girl in Texas,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: allegedly by two men with records of violating immigration law,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: called it, quote, a new Biden migrant killing, and said, quote,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing him at the fake debate
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: on Thursday. Let him explain why he has allowed millions
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: of people to come into our country illegally. In other news,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Trump also said on the All In podcast last week
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: that he would automatically issue green cards to immigrant students
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: as soon as they graduate college. But that was a
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: statement his campaign immediately walked back by saying the policy
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: would apply only to extremely skilled graduates and that eligibility would, quote,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: exclude all communists, radical Islamists, Hamas supporters, America haters, and
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: so on. First of all, what do you guys make
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: of Trump and his campaign trying to tie Biden to
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: any bad crime committed by an undocumented immigrant?
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a continuation of what he's been doing.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, remember back around the State of the Union,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Republicans were very focused on the murder of a woman
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: named Lakin Riley in Georgia, who was allegedly killed by
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: someone who was in the U.S.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Illegally.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: So I'm not at all surprised he's going to do this.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, the challenge here for Biden is stories like
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: the ones he's trying to tell that are kind of
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: lurid and specific and emotional are powerful and memorable. And
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: you have to figure out a way to push back
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: that isn't just with statistics, lest you look kind of
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: like Mike Dukakis at a debate in the past when
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: he was asked about capital punishment and whether he would
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: be in favor of capital punishment if someone were to
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: murder his wife and responded in sort of a robotic way.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's like kind of the test case reporters
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: are always thinking about in the back of their head.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: So he's got to figure out a way to push back,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: but also go on offense on this and talk about
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: the reality of crime under the Trump administration when statistics
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: went way up.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Lovett, how do you think Biden should respond?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Here's sort of how I sort of respond
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: to it. And, you know, there was a great sergeant
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: wrote a piece and he asked James Carville. He asked
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Dan Pfeiffer. He asked you, John. Me. You, John, are
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: in that piece.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And I brought this to my attention.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like there was, you know, I think there's
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: a few different points to make, but I think it
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: is worth saying some version of these are horrible crimes.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And some of these folks have been in and out
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: of the country for years, even while you were president.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: And.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: We have to solve this problem. And I got a
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: group of people together to solve it, Democrats and Republicans.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And you know who killed that? You killed it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Because you were worried about the politics of actually solving
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: this problem because you want the chaos and you care
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: more about you than you care about what happens on
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the border. Now, I know Joe Biden is never going
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to say something like this, but it would be something like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and so if you want to find out who has
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: blood on their hands, look in the mirror. But that's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: not the Joe Biden I know.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is, I think that's all right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And then Trump's going to Fox News and the right
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: wing media have been linking these murders also to Joe
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Biden's new policy that he announced last week that we
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: talked about where he is granting a pathway to citizenship
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: for two spouses, undocumented spouses of American citizens who've been
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: here for 10 years. And they're somehow saying that that's
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: going to cause more migrant murders, which is fucking preposterous.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, if you're Biden, you say, look,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: my my plan is about keeping families together who've been
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: here for years, who are law abiding citizens and their
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and their undocumented spouses and children. Your plan is about
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: ripping families apart, which is what you did when you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: were here as president. And by the way, crime rate
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: is now lower than it was when you were president.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: So maybe you should explain why. Maybe maybe you won't
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: say blood on your hands, but you say maybe you
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: should explain why the crime rate spiked when you were president,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: when you left office. And now it's now it's lower.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And by the way, of course we should go after
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: anyone who commits murder, undocumented or not, like as hard
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: as we can, right?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a simple way to say to like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: there was a crisis at the border. The day I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: walked into office, there was a crisis in the border
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: on day one. This is because you didn't solve it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: You talked about it. You made you scapegoated people. You
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: yelled about it. You talked about it a while. You
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: didn't build it. And we're going to try to solve
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it because you can't solve it. You want to yell
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Because you don't really care. You're using the, in a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: typical disgusting manner, you are using these murders to make
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: a political point about the border because you don't really
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: care about the border. You don't really care about immigration.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: You just care about the politics. You think it wins
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you votes.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: That's it. We'll see. What do you guys think about
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the green card? The old green card to the diploma? Lovett,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember this because how many times do
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: we write the line for Barack Obama?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It's a very old proposal.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: The second I saw it, the second I saw that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Trump had said this, I didn't look at an article.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Before I even saw any news about it, I was like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: he talked to a rich person.
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: He talked to a rich person, a Silicon Valley type
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: person who says this kind of thing. And he just
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: repeated it. Because he was talking to other people that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: he thought might like it. And so then the campaign
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: had to walk away.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is part of a little sales pitch that
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: he gives to get money from naive idiots in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: business world or in Silicon Valley. By the way.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And he found a few at the All In podcast.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: He sure did. He found a whole bunch. And by
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the way, he's absolutely never going to go through with
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: this proposal if elected. His entire base wants to limit immigration.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: There's no way.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Well, how do we know he won't? Because he was
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: president for four years, didn't do it, didn't want to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: do it, opposed it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But this is part of this broader wishlist, which is
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: like tax cuts. Now he's flip-flopped on cryptocurrency. Now he's
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the crypto guy. He's going to cut regulations. But yeah,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: these Silicon Valley types are basically desperate for software engineers
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: to come into the country. But in practice, what this
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: would do would be to give green cards to lots
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and lots of students from China and India. More than
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: half of foreign students in 2022 and 2023 were from
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: India and China. But on the stump, Trump talks about
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: migrants from China as enemies, literally an army. He talks
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: about military-aged males coming to the country. What's a college student?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I also think this is another, the details of the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: actual issue aside, it is a signal to a certain
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: class of like kind of, they think they're non-ideological, they
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: think they're apolitical, but they're kind of like anti-woke rich
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: people who just think the left has gone crazy. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: this is a permission structure to say, see, he's not, yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: he says this stuff, but look, look, he'll do H-1B visas.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: He's okay. It's not so scary.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It's also for the shrinking, almost non-existent Wall Street Journal
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: editorial reading section of the Republican Party that's almost gone now. Like, see,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a little... The Paul.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Ryans of the world.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Even though, again, the reason this policy is not real because,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you know, Barack Obama proposed it, Hillary Clinton proposed it
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: in 2016, is because you just can't find enough Republicans
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: in Congress to go along with it. Could have passed
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: this legislation anytime in the last two decades. Republicans wouldn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, you have this sort of interesting thing that
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: came away from that long, terrible interview was Trump is
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: clearly doing debate prep, but lying and saying he's not
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: because he's like, I don't need debate prep.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't do it. Why would I even bother?
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: And he's like, I was reviewing a video of Joe
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Biden debating Paul Ryan. You're like, oh, that sounds like homework, sir.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: That was very funny, by the way, when he was like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: they're like, what do you, the Allin hosts were like, well,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: give us debate predictions. And he's like, well, people keep
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: saying Joe Biden's, you know, not great, but he didn't,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I watched him debate Paul Ryan. He demolished Paul Ryan.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, You also watched him debate someone else. You,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: though maybe you don't remember because you were like so
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: fucked up from COVID when you were like just spraying
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: everyone in the debate room with your germs in the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: first debate. But you did debate Joe Biden twice. Yeah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I rewatched the first debate on the flight last night.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You did? Why?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: That's cool. Way better than I remembered. I had a
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: great time. Now, he does look so beet red. He
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: looks like he's like in a sauna.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: He's so angry. Can you give us some highlights? What
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: was your favorite part of that?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: What was my favorite?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: What was your least favorite part?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Let me pull up my notes.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: One really important thing. I mean, we'll get to this
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: in the abortion section, but Biden says abortion is on
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: the ballot and Trump's like, abortion's not on the ballot.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: How do you know that? You don't know what Amy
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Coney Barrett thinks about abortion.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So I'm sure that will come back.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope so. That's good. Trump apparently, when he
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: was in Philly, talked to a reporter and said that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he has picked the VP in his mind. He hasn't
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: told anyone. And that person will be at the debate,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: which is, I'm so curious. Like, do you think that
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: means that he invited all the candidates to the debate.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And it's like an awkward, they all show up or
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: was it just because otherwise it's just, everyone's going to know.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Like if just Doug Burgum comes to the debate, we
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: know it's Doug, but maybe, maybe like Doug Marco and,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And JD will all be there, who knows?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean- Or maybe he's just lying, which he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: always does anyway.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Right, if he doesn't care that they feel uncomfortable or
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: that it's weird, he just wants them to come and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: be there and to see who comes, so.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the apprentice.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: It would be funny to make them all share like
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: a hold room or even a hotel room. Put them
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: all in the same suite. And there's a camera there. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: And Burgum's like, Marco, can you pass the Diet Cokes?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Something like that. I like that. What- Sure, why not?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that kind of like, that kind of back
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and forth.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, can I, I'm gonna, no, you, okay.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: J.D., can you pass the Daily Stormer?
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: No.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Replace the toilet paper next time.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Mark Ruber's like, do you guys mind if I put
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: on white noise and he presses it and it just screams? Just,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I can't fall asleep without something really to distract me.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: One other thing of note Trump mentioned over the weekend,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: he talked about the third-party candidates on the ballot and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: praised two of them in particular. Here's a clip.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Just reading the stage directions right there.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: By the way, this happened to be the same day
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: that Cornel West announced that he's collected enough signatures to
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: appear on the ballot in Michigan. Yikes!
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You guys think Trump's own words here could be an
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: effective argument to third party voters? I know we've talked
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a lot about, you know, telling someone who's thinking about
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: voting third party, hey, you're just going to elect Trump
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is not always effective. But when you have Trump out
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: there saying, hey, this is going to help me.
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's helpful.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I really like it. I think it's a good thing
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to get out there. You know, look, this thing potentially
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: comes down to so few votes. And I do think
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: that there's, you know, that subset of people that when
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: they're told that they're voting for Trump, have a kind
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of obstinate and like, well, you know, I didn't choose
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: these candidates and, you know, Biden has to persuade me,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: all the kind of stuff you'll hear from the kind
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: of group of people that are most amenable to someone
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: like Cornel West. And I think having Trump to say
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it directly is pretty hard to argue with.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: How worried are you about Cornel West, Tommy? Quite, quite.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: He's on the ballot in Michigan. And then there's a
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: bunch of Republican operatives who have been working to get
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: signatures to get him on the ballot in North Carolina.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: So were North Carolina to become like a real swing state,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: it could be a challenge there too. I mean, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: think for anyone who has like third party curious people
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: in their lives, I do think when you're trying to
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: dissuade them from that vote, you have to be careful
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: not to just immediately go to shouting at them and saying,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you're just voting for Donald Trump. Because a lot of
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: these third party voters are what they call double haters,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: which is they really dislike either candidate. And they're thinking
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: about staying home or third party. Or if you just
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: sort of like, if your only appeal to them is
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: you might elect Donald Trump, that's not necessarily something that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: animates them the way it does us. I do think though,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: highlighting the cynicism of Trump's comment and his staff's efforts
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: to get these candidates on the ballot just to harm Trump.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe that will feel insulting to them.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, it is. It feels
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: like Trump is insulting them, and that might piss them off.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I've been listening to focus groups of these third-party voters,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and there are some who are like, honestly, it's a
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: moral thing. I can't look at myself in the mirror.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I know that I'm throwing away my vote. I know
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that I don't like Donald Trump, but I'm just going
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to do it anyway. Those people, those people you're probably
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: not going to get. But there are, there have been
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in these groups who are, they
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: don't pay a lot of attention to politics, but they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: pay enough attention to know that they're like, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I'm considering third party, but I just don't want to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: throw away my vote. Like they know that it's thrown
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: away their vote. So I think letting people know that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it's like a mathematical impossibility for some of these candidates,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: just about all of them, except maybe RFK Jr. to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: win because they're not on the ballot in enough states,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: which will certainly be the case for Cornel West. He
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: won't be on the ballot in enough states to get
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to 270. Jill Stein, because she's Green Party, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: she'll come closer. RFK Jr. could come closer. But it's still,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I think one step is telling people that it's a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: mathematical impossibility for your candidate to win.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I also think there's people out there that say, like,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: you know, every four years you come to me and
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: you say, vote for the lesser of two evils, vote
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: for the less of two evils. And I don't want
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to do it anymore. I just can't do it anymore.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And I do think that there's an argument to be
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: made to that kind of person in this moment that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: is about putting a vote for Joe Biden in the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: broader context of building power and how, as much as
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: this may not be the candidate you wanted, a vote
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: for Joe Biden helps you to be in a position
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to like make the change inside of the Democratic Party
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: in a bigger way over the next several years. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that we, that no, you may not be happy with
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: your choices, but you know, A world where Joe Biden
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: is president is a world where the change you want
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: is possible. A world where Donald Trump is president is
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a world where it's not.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: And you could just go to a couple core issues like, hey,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: have you noticed that it's the hottest year on record
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: every year? Do you believe climate change is real? Okay, well,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: one person did something about climate change, which is Joe Biden.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: The other doesn't believe it's man-made. The other thinks it's
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: cool because it'll mean more beachfront property is what he said.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Do you think that women should be able to make
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: their own healthcare decisions?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Well, Joe Biden does too. Donald Trump is going to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: restrict women's healthcare as much as humanly possible, especially abortion access.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would just go to like issue areas
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: and try not to make it entirely personal.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I had a friend tell me who's like very unhygienic.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: with Joe Biden and been at protests over Gaza to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: say like, you know what, you're protesting Joe Biden right
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: now voting for Joe Biden. gives you the opportunity to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: keep protesting.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: How did Ben Rose take it?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I knew I had to be you. I knew I
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: had to be you. Oh, you saw Rose in New York?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: The chance to keep protesting. There it is. Whatever it takes, guys.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Whatever it takes. We haven't heard a lot from Biden
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: lately because he's been holed up in debate prep at
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Camp David. But campaign aides did talk to the New
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: York Times for a piece about how the sides are
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: preparing and what they hope to get out of it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: One thing I thought was pretty interesting in the piece
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: is that the campaign doesn't think the debate, even if
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it goes very well, is going to immediately change things
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: in terms of polling, but that it will be, as
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the piece says, quote, the starting bell for the general election.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Are they trying to lower
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: expectations there in case it doesn't go well? Or do
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you think they're right about how much it will move numbers?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: It feels like both.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: And great.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that does make sense to me.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And like, why does it make sense to me? And
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's in part because one thing we've talked
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: about is that these Senate candidates... like a Bob Casey
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: or a Ruben Gallego are running a little bit ahead
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: of Biden. Are those people that are right now saying
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they're either Gallego Trump or Gallego undecided? Is that real?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: What does it mean to bring them home? And so
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of what Biden is trying to do is
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: get people who right now are frustrated by the choice,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: maybe less engaged, to go from saying they're undecided or
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: saying they're for Trump, but on some fundamental level, understand
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the stakes to finally say, yes, even though they're not
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: super happy about the state of things, they're going to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: do the right thing. So that's a sort of unusual
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: kind of persuasion that might not show up because of
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: one debate. It's going to happen over time, especially as
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: we get closer and closer to the election.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Tommy?
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I asked ChatGPT to make up some Trump-style nicknames for
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: the moderators that I'd like to read to you now.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So he just didn't want to.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I did it as... You know what?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. Oh, expectations?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: No, I love it. He let that pitch go by.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I'll answer the question. I mean, I talked about this
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: with Dan last week, too. I think four months is
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: a lifetime in politics. We memory hole literally everything. So
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: they can, of course, come back from something that's not good.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: You can come back from an insurrection. You can come
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: back from a senior moment.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: There is, I think, though, like dark. Dan argued that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with Dan's point, which is like
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I do think that Joe Biden's age is a threshold
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: question for a lot of voters. And what they want
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: to see Thursday night is something that gives them confidence
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: in his ability to do the job for another four years.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I think they feel like the State of the Union
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: was one of those moments where he looked like sharp
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: and on it and was punchy and giving it back
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: to Republicans when they're heckling him. And so hopefully we'll
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: see a similar version of Joe Biden. Now, like he
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: will likely stutter. He will likely mumble through an answer.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: There'll be moments where all will cringe, whether those will
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: be kind of deal breakers for voters. Like it would
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: probably take something pretty significant.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: You know what the truthful spin is? I don't care
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: if Joe Biden forgets his name and falls off the stage.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Still voting for him over Donald Trump. That's where it's coming.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like- Well, sure. And at some
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: point they are- But we.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Lose our credibility when we say that. But like that-
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: So I disagree.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I think at the core of what the Biden campaign
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: is trying to do here in all of their spin
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that is not quite like that, but it's like they
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: are trying to get the focus on Donald Trump, right?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And the threat that Donald Trump poses. And I think
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: what probably frustrates that campaign to no end, and you're right,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: it is a threshold. The age is a threshold question
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: for most voters and the campaign acknowledges that for sure.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: But I think what frustrates them is like, However Joe
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Biden performs Thursday night, Donald Trump is still Donald Trump.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: He has still done all the things Donald Trump did.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: He still wants to do all the things Donald Trump
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: will do. And that will mean fucking disaster for the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: entire country. So whether it's Joe Biden or any candidate
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: up there, like we've got to like, suck it up and, uh,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and go make sure that Donald Trump doesn't win.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Well, sure. Yeah, no, totally.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not arguing against it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I think that kind of points to
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: what a, what a good outcome versus a bad outcome
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: of the debate is. And a good outcome of the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: debate is a debate in which Donald Trump is saying
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden's on drugs. And the conversation is about how
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: extreme and dangerous. Yeah, sure. Exactly. Well, hair, he can't
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: agree to hair.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: Um, Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think what you're getting at is the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: fact that debates are stupid and irrelevant and have no
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: bearing on the job of president, right? I mean, obviously,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: these two individuals are completely different. And one has a
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: set of policy views that would be good for the country,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: and one is a disaster. But for some reason, we've
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: decided that two old men standing at a podium yelling
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: at each other for 90 minutes gives us some sort
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: of insight.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Well, and unfortunately, it is valuable and relevant just for
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the reason that you just mentioned, which is we memory
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: hole everything. So just To refresh everyone's memory about who
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: these two men are and what they stand for is
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: probably important.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And I'm just going to spare both of you the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: fact that the reason I think we have debates as
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: an important form for making political decisions.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Ulysses S.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Grant?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Is masculinity. Talk about masculinity.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: That's cool. That's part of it. Jake spent a lot
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of time on Hillary Clinton's campaign.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Jake Flapper? Tap Dance Jake. Jabbering Jake. These are ChatGPT,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: not me. Have you written these by Jake? Dana Smash. Ooh,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: rethink that one, Microsoft. Bashful Dana Blabber Bash. These aren't
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: very good.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: It's not there yet.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Jakey Tappy.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I still think Trump's Fake Tapper is probably the.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Fake Tapper's just sitting there.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Dana the Scoop Bash.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: These aren't even funny. You know, if ChatGPT can't beat
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: out Trump, on a nickname for Jake Tapper, then I'm
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: not as worried about artificial intelligence.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do believe Donald Trump has technically passed the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Turing test.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Tappy McFlappy is the latest one they gave me.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. Now we're just sort of- Bash-o-matic, Dan. Okay, sorry,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: we can move on. You know, anyway. The day we're
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: recording this, Monday the 24th, is the two-year anniversary of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the Dobbs decision overturning Roe v. Wade. It's a hugely
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: important day for the campaign to get its message out
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: since media outlets will all be covering the anniversary. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: with President Biden at debate camp, they had to turn
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to their surrogate operation to get the job done for them.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Here is a sample.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: It's about freedom.
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: And every person of Whatever gender should understand that if
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: such a fundamental freedom, such as the right to make
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: decisions about your own body, can be taken, be aware
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: of what other freedoms may be at stake.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump, he ran on a platform of overturning Roe v.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Wade.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: And as president promised to appoint Supreme Court justices that
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: would do that, they did that. And now these rights
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: are being taken away. This is how it works now.
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: that elections matter, that who's president, who's in the Senate
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: dictates who's on the Supreme Court, and that has such
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: a massive impact on your lives.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: We cannot let him win. We cannot sit by while
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: our freedoms slip away. We're going to walk every block
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: and knock on every door. We're going to organize phone
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: banks and register voters. We are going to fight like
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: hell and we are going to win.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So you might have recognized that first voice was Vice
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris. Last voice was the first lady, Dr.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Jill Biden. And the guy in the middle, that was
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Doug Emhoff at... a strict scrutiny live show in D.C.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: on Saturday night. Kate was telling us there was going
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to be a surprise guest last time we were recording here.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: It was Doug.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And apparently, the second gentleman arrived with a cheering section
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that included none other than Kamala Harris herself in the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: front row. Do you guys think she bought her tickets
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: on the Crooked website? Oh, good question.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: We probably gave her a freebie, no?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Whose seat did you take?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Get out of there. Get out of your As soon
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: as I heard she was there, everyone was slacking that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: she was there. I was like, I hope we gave
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: her a good seat.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Nobody found a handheld mic and just kind of chucked
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: it down there?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And what do you think about this?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Again, Vice President Harris, anytime you would like to be
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: on a Crooked podcast, you don't just have to attend.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: You can be on. We'll talk.
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: In this case, for example, any scheduling problem couldn't have
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: been the case. You were there. You were very much present.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: So it seems like you, I mean, technically you were available. Yeah.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much more personally we can take this,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: White House.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: What do we have to do?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: What other media outlets do you have to send these to?
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: We're out here on the front.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Lines, day after day, talking about how young Joe Biden is.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Put him on here. Who do you have to fuck
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: in this White House to get in?
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: Oh, sorry. Never mind. Just kidding.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Just kidding. Where else are you going to send Joe
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala Harris before Pod Save America? Where? Anyway.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: The all in pod.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Seriously.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Any YouTuber. Any YouTuber.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Anyone. We got invited to a Biden influencer event in
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: We did. Barack Obama stopped by and he was like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: some of you have likes and follows.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: He looked at the three of us like, what the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: fuck are you guys doing here? It's one of your influencers.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: We've been sorted into the influencer slash creator category. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: find that troubling.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It's digital content creators. That's what we are. It's accurate.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Fine. Whatever. Anyway, back to abortion. The campaign says it's
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: going to be holding more than 50 events to mark
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: That's the Joe Biden slogan.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: That includes everything.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: From more standard stuff like Elizabeth Warren holding an event
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin to celebrity appearances. Padma Lakshmi will be doing
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: something in Atlanta. The campaign's also holding storytelling trainings to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: help people tell their own personal stories about abortion and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: reproductive care, including some of the women who've already told
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: their stories in ads. One of those women, Caitlin Joshua
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: from Louisiana, is featured in a new ad that the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Biden campaign just released today.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: I was right around 11 weeks when I had a miscarriage.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: The pain that I was feeling was excruciating. I was
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: turned away from two emergency rooms. That was a direct
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: result of Donald Trump overturning Roe v.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Wade.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: He's now a convicted felon. Trump thinks he should not
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: be held accountable for his own criminal actions, but he
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: will let women and doctors be punished. We want to
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: support someone that does have our best interests at heart,
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: and that's why I'm so adamant about supporting President Biden.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: I'm Joe Biden, and I approve this message.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about how this will come up at
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the debate. Trump's been bragging about overturning Roe. He's been
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: using Kellyanne Conway's presumably poll-tested argument that this is just
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: all up to the states now and the states get
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: to decide and people get to decide. He's also been
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: lying about Democrats wanting live birth abortions, which isn't a thing.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: How do you guys think Biden should handle this exchange
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: when it comes up at the debate? Tommy, you started
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: with the what happened at the last debate.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, you know, he can, he can certainly
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: build on the back and forth they had in the
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: 2020 debate when, when Biden was saying abortion is on
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: the ballot. I mean, I think it's a complicated argument
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: because Roe was then overturned despite Joe Biden winning. But
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: the point he was making was about the Supreme Court
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: justices that the next president will get to pick. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: if Trump is president, what will he end up with?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Like an eight, one majority probably by the end? I mean,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: he could, he could have a, he could name a
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: lot of, could go to seven, two justices.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I thought that ad was incredibly powerful.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Republicans want to talk about abortion like it's just another
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: form of birth control. It's something people do, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: willy nilly. That's not something that's painful or thought about deeply.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that ad shows that tells the
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: truth about what abortion is like and why women need
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: it in this country and the dangerous health situations that
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: the new reality has put them in. Love it. Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I think Joe Biden has to basically just say Donald
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Trump is the reason. abortion was overturned in this country.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I want to protect access to abortion. He wants to
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: make it a crime to have an abortion. He's already
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: talking about what he's going to do in his next term.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: And he's going to make it impossible, not just in
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: red states, but in blue states for women to access
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: reproductive care. That is the threat. The last time Donald
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Trump and I debated, I said he was going to
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: overturn Roe v.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Wade.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: He said he wouldn't, or he said it wasn't true.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Guess what? It was true. You can't believe Donald Trump
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: because he knows how unpopular this is. But, but, reproductive
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: rights are on the ballot.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: He's bragging about overturning Roe v.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Wade.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: This is what he's bragging about. Women who have been
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: turned away from ERs who are bleeding out. Women who
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: have been turned away, who have gone into septic shock.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: A couple in Alabama who just wanted a baby so
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: bad and went through IVF and couldn't continue because of
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the Alabama State Supreme Court and what they decided. He
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: says that it's left to the states, but the fundamental
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: truth is No one knows the path that a pregnancy
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: will take. And women deserve care when they need it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: And no one knows when they'll need the care or
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: where they'll need the care. And Donald Trump doesn't think
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you should have the right to that care. And that's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: what it is. And we are seeing his politicians, his loyalists,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: pass the most extreme bans and onerous restrictions all across
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the country. He thinks it's okay to monitor women's pregnancies
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: as long as some Republican legislature and some state decides
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to do it, people haven't had a chance to vote
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: on this. When they have, by the way, they've enshrined
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the right to abortion in their constitution. But some people
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: are sitting in states with Donald Trump's followers in the legislature.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And now if they need care and they're bleeding out,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: they could be turned away for an emergency room. That's
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: what he's bragging about.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: And they're not done. They want to pass a federal
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: abortion ban. They want to criminalize medication abortion. And by
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: the way, his coalition is just made up with a
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: bunch of creepy fucking weirdos who want to be a
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: part of every decision you make in your life in
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: your bedroom, whether it's IVF, whether it's contraception, whether it's
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the birth control pill, like these guys are not done.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And now where Trump will go, because I know, because
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: this is where Kellyanne keeps wanting him to go, is
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: he'll say, Joe, tell me what week you would have
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the restriction at. Tell me how many weeks. How many
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: weeks would you do? Pick a number. You can't. You
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: think right up until the day of birth? And then
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: he wants Biden to say no. It's like, well, then what?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: The week before? Two weeks before? You can't come to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: some kind of compromise on a week and blah, blah, blah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that at that point, Biden's like, what
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I want is the fundamental right that we've had in
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: this country for the last several decades.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: That's what I want. You can't take the bait and
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: respond to Trump. You need to say these are decisions
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: that are being made by women and their doctors, not
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: by you, Donald.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And that has been the problem since Dobbs is that
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Doctors aren't making these decisions. These aren't medical decisions.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg Abbott.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by Greg Abbott.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Greg Abbott made these decisions. You want Donald Trump to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: make decisions.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't trust Donald Trump to watch your laptop at
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: a fucking, at a Starbucks.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: No, I would not. Absolutely not. I can't imagine Donald
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Trump being at a Starbucks.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Does he drink coffee?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: No, because he's on drugs.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Which one?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Pro-vigil?
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: We're going to see. He's going to submit to Dr.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Ronnie's test and then we will find out.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: As always, Donald Trump is projecting.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And you're not really supposed, you don't do Ozempic in
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: the ass, but I do think that's probably.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: What he's thinking about.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you can do it in the thigh or in
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the stomach or the back of the arm is what
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: they recommend. I mean, it probably would work in the ass.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know why it's not listed as an option.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know either. Anyway, I think this is our
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: show for today.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I think Trump has taken ProVigil or some sort of
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: upper on foreign troops. Of course he has.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Of course. Of course he has.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: He's a sleepy old man.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And again, you know, if he wants to, if Joe
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Biden wants to in the debate, God bless him.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's brain stopped. The elasticity of his brain locked
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: up in the late 80s. And that was an upper's era. Oh, yeah.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: That was in Upper's era.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: But he didn't drink. If you take an x-ray of
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: his brain, it's just Diet Coke.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And cocaine?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Allegedly. All right, everyone. That's our show for today. We
• 45:38
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• 45:43
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• 45:44
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• 45:46
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• 45:49
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• 45:50
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• 45:51
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• 45:52
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• 45:54
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• 45:55
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• 45:56
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• 45:57
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