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When Life Gives You Tangerines | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 104 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Tabaki Rambles where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and for this episode we're going to
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  be reviewing When Life Gives You Tangerines with not one but two
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  guests. I am so happy to have on Carol
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  from the K Drama Musings podcast and Lola from Lola pops off
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  about K dramas. How are you guys?
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  Hello. We're good.
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  How are you? Good, I love to see your smiling
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  faces. I have reviewed dramas with each
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  of you individually and I basically crossed the podcast
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  streams this time and I was like, hey, this is a kind of a
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  big drama and I wanted to get more voices in on it because I
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  truly felt, and this is 100% the truth, I felt really inadequate
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  to judge the show and come and talk about it.
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  Just me, myself, and I, I was like, I definitely need some
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  more, some more people in on this.
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  And I'm so glad that you guys were happy to finish watching
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  the show #1 and then come prepared to talk intelligently
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  about this show after it totally wrecked me.
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  I last night, I'll tell you right now, last night I finished
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  the show and the entirety of the last episode, I was crying from
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  start to finish. And that never happens to me.
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  From start to an hour and 20 minutes straight, I was crying.
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  I was crying. I'm surprised that I'm upright
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  today. You know, I had things on the
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  docket that I needed to do before this recording.
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  And I was telling you, I'm really scatterbrained today.
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  And probably the lack of sleep, plus the fact that I was crying
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  for an hour and a half before going to sleep did not help
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  anything. Like there was no aftercare
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  basically after the show. But I am really thrilled that
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  we're finally here. This has been highly requested,
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  I will say from me from Tabak before.
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  Like, I can't wait for you to comment on when life gives you
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  Tangerines. And I'm like, oh God, why?
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  I feel so inadequate to do that. But we're going to try.
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  We're going to try our best today.
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  If you guys want to maybe introduce yourselves by saying
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  what you've been watching lately, maybe just one drama
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  that you would recommend to people based on, you know, your
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  current watch list. Oh OK I'll go first.
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  I am currently watching made in Korea and re watching it.
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  Girl, I'm stuck there. So.
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  So I do encourage everyone to watch it.
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  It's really well done and I love it.
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  I'm waiting for Season 2, yeah. Yeah, Made in Korea.
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  I was just talking with you on your podcast about Made in
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  Korea. We did a review and yeah, Carol,
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  are you OK? Because I don't know how many,
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  how many times have you watched it at this point?
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  Made in Korea. Probably 7.
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  Wow, Carol. I know.
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  Oh. My God.
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  But but it's cinematic. It's.
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  It's. Fantastic.
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  I agree. So Made in Korea, highly
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  recommended. But for me and Carol, because
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  I've just watched it this week and it's very good.
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  Lola, what do you got? I'm going to go kind of left.
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  I actually really have been enjoying a drama called to my
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  Beloved thief. It's a Segu.
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  Yeah, Nam Jihan and Boon Sangbin and I it's I don't know, it's
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  just everything I I like in a drama.
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  It has like a body switching aspect or element to it.
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  Great chemistry from Leeds, the, you know, Segu, of course,
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  Palace and all of that. A print to can't be a Prince,
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  you know, that kind of thing. So I absolutely love it.
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  Absolutely love it. It's pretty, I mean, simple.
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  I think you've seen it before, you know, in other forms.
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  Yeah. But I really am enjoying it.
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  I'm really enjoying the performances I think the most.
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  For sure. OK, I mean, I'm a simple gal and
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  so I think that's why I really got a kick out.
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  I have another great kid or a friend who actually was not in
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  love with it, wasn't thrilled with it.
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  So I know that it's not everyone's cup of tea by far
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  like, so I'm not going to say you need to run out and watch
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  it. Oh man.
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  See, Carol, That's Carol. I mean, I've heard it already.
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  I've heard it from folks already.
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  But I am such a little fan of this drama.
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  I don't know, I'm so simple, but made in Korea.
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  I also enjoy it. So I mean, I could I go back and
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  forth, but yeah, I do like to my beloved.
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  All right, OK. Well, so the two shows are To My
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  Beloved Thief and Made in Korea. Thank you guys for sharing some
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  recommendations to the listeners.
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  All right, so this show we're going to get started on the non
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  spoiler section and then move into the spoiler section.
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  I want to just temper expectations because this is not
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  going to be a recap podcast at all.
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  We could easily spend 16 hours on the show and cover each and
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  every episode and talk about all of the finer details.
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  And I don't think we're going to have the space to do that.
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  This is going to be the entirety of the show, a lot to cover, and
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  we're going to be a little more intentional and surgical about
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  this review. OK so with that being said, the
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  Wikipedia synopsis of this show is.
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  The drama follows the adventurous life and many trials
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  of Essen, a poor girl wanting to become a poet who was born in
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  Teju in 1951, and Quanchik, a young man who cherishes and
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  loves her. The drama is narrated by their
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  daughter, Yang Gum Young. It aired in March 2025.
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  S Happy birthday and life gives you Tangerines.
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  It's basically a year old and I think it was told in four parts,
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  4 acts, 4 episodes a week for four weeks as I think what
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  happened here? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  You know, you're absolutely right.
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  It was 4 parts. OK, They broke it up.
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  You're right. 16 episodes long and directed by Kim Wan Sok.
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  Kim Wan Sok has directed a ton of things.
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  He's a really great prolific director directing things like
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  Cinderella, Sister Zunkin, Kwan, Scandal, Monstar from 2013,
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  Methang, Incomplete Life, which won him best director and the
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  entire show won the TE Song at the Pick Song Awards for that
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  year. He's directed Signal from 2016
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  that won the best drama award at the Pick Song Awards that year,
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  directed My Mr. and Arth Doll Chronicles from 2019.
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  I don't have a lot of good things to say about Arth Doll
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  Chronicles, but it was a lot of spectacle, was very high budget.
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  Where are eisodes U for my Mr. and signal?
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  Have you guys seen this director's work before?
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  Suprisingly, I think I've seen all his work.
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  I don't know why I hadn't seen When Life Gives You Tangerines,
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  but yeah, I like his work, especially Sangya, Gwen,
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  Scandal. Like that's my go to comfort,
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  one of my go to comfort dramas. Yeah, it's really good, Lola.
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  You're nodding your head. You're like, absolutely.
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  Absolutely. Oh my gosh, I've missed that
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  drama. I feel like I haven't watched in
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  such a long time and I it's do what we watched, but I also have
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  seen everything I believe except the partner.
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  I don't know why that's not ringing a bell to me.
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  I'm like, well, I don't know about that one, but I've I've
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  seen the ones that you've listed, yes, and Monstar,
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  Monstar, Monstar. I've never seen Monstar, but I
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  know about Monstar. Yeah, I've actually loved the
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  drama when it was airing. However, it's shrouded with
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  controversy based off of the people that were in it, so I
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  don't ever talk about it for that reason, but I really,
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  really enjoyed it at its airing. Turned into a hot potato.
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  Exactly. When Life Gives You Tangerines
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  was written by IM Sang Tung who has written just a few dramas
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  including Becky's Back from 2016, Fight for My Way from 2017
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  which I guested on a review of Fight for My Way on the Swin
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  Diaries podcast if you want to listen to that.
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  And this writer has written When the Camellia Blooms from 2019
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  that won best screenplay at the Pix on Wars.
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  These are highly decorated director and writer.
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  There is a review up on the Tabak feed for When the Camellia
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  Blooms. Have you guys seen this
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  screenwriters dramas? I haven't seen Becky's back, but
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  I have seen When the Camellia Blooms and Fight for My Way.
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  Did you like those two? I did.
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  I'm saying that with like a little I'm gonna, I feel like
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  the bad person because I feel like fight for my ways, like
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  such a beloved drama, but it doesn't have my favorite trope
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  in it. So that's why it's not my
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  favorite. Oh, OK.
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  So it's not so much that it wasn't good, but I don't like
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  that trope of friends for forever.
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  Yes. So for those who don't know and
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  haven't listened to Lola pops off about K dramas, Lola is not
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  a big fan of Friends to Lovers at all.
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  Yeah. At All Friends Love is like my
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  least favorite trope and exes to lovers again, I can't really do
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  I don't do well with those. So that's why I found my way.
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  I'm not a big fan of it, not because it wasn't good, I
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  necessarily, but just I didn't like that trope.
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  And then when the community I actually really enjoy.
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  I'm a huge Kong Hanuru stand, love him to moon and back and
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  also Kong children. So that's why I think I love
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  that one. Carol, what about you?
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  I have seen Fight for My Way and that's the only one I've seen.
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  I did not watch Camellia Blooms because I was like that's not
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  the vibe I'm in. I don't know about it so I
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  skipped it. I mean, yeah, like, if you're
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  not, no, it's going to force you to watch these shows.
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  If it's not in your wheelhouse, if you're not in the mood,
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  great, fine. Do you Boo.
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  So when the camellia, when the camellia moved.
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  You want to call it that so my. God, I want to call it that so
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  bad. It's the it's the freaking
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  writer's fault because they wrote both.
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  Anyway, when life gives you Tangerines stars I you as Oas
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  Hun and her daughter Yong Gum Young.
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  She's the female lead of this here show.
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  And I you, I call her the fairy Princess in a lot of the reviews
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  that I've done of her work. 5 movies and a handful of TV shows
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  starting with Dream High from 2011, which we have covered on
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  the podcast. That was a painful rewatch for
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  me. Moon Lovers, Scarlet Heart Rio
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  from 2016, which is so beloved by a lot of people in the
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  international fan community. I am not one of those people.
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  There is also a deep dive on Moon Lovers on the podcast.
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  She has worked with this director before.
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  She was in My Mr. in 2018, so this is kind of a reunion for
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  them too. She started in Hotel De Luna and
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  this year she's got a drama. Perfect Crown is coming out very
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  soon. How do you guys feel about?
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  IUI actually really enjoy IUI, love her music as much as I do
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  her work and her, you know, her acting work.
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  So I would say I'm an actual big fan of IU.
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  I'm looking at her drama list here that you have and I'm like
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  the one that I I remember. I don't know if anyone else
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  feels this way, but the producers.
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  I dropped the producers. I hate it.
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  I'm not hated. That's a strong word.
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  I Yeah, I don't. I could not.
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  It was a heart watch for you. So I'm right in dropping.
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  It for me, it was a hard wedge. I don't know, but it was really
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  hard. Carol, I do you want to jump in
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  on your IU thoughts? I like her, she's cool.
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  I mean, I don't know, I did not like Hotel de Luna.
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  That's my thing. I know.
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  Lola's face just went Oh my God, how could you?
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  We're. Disappointing each other right
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  off the wind. I'm like, oh, Hotel de Luna, OK,
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  no, that's. Fine, well, Hotel de Luna is a
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  Hong sisters. It is.
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  So it's it's yeah, you can, you can take or leave them sometimes
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  that's. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I tend to leave them personally, but a lot of people,
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  really, they go to bat for the Hong sisters and they love all
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  those dramas. But Hotel de Luna was another
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  drop for me. See, I'm.
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  Not the only one. I did like my Mr. I don't know,
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  I had no intentions of watching When Life Gives You Tangerine.
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  So it's because you said let's do it on the podcast.
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  I was like, OK, I guess I'll watch it.
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  But Park Bull Gum and I you, I was just like, this is just too
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  much for me. They're hit or miss for me
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  sometimes. So I was like, I'm going to sit
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  it out. Well since you mentioned him,
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  her Co stars PAC Bugum for about half of this drama.
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  He plays Yang Kwang Sheikh, he's the male lead.
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  He's been in a handful of movies including Wonderland from 2024.
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  People did not like that movie. I think the general consensus is
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  let's forget it ever happened. I have seen him in a quite a few
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  TV shows including Record of Youth, Love in the Moonlight,
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  Reply 1988. He is very beloved for his Reply
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  1988 role. Tech from 20/15/2016.
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  That season was a really good season for him.
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  Have you seen him in shows before?
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  I have seen all his shows except the Good Boy.
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  I haven't seen Good Boy because I don't really like boxing shows
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  like that so but I do like him. He performs well.
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  I think why I struggle with him is I feel he's in his acting.
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  It feels so sometimes robotic for me sometimes depending on
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  the role, but I also I feel a lot of pain in his eyes where
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  it's just lonely. And so I watch him in variety
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  shows and I'm seeing him open up more and he's really, he comes
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  across as really a sweet guy. But I was just like, I need so
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  much healing for you. Yeah, so I'll step in this for a
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  second. Papa Gum, I don't think he's
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  necessarily everyone's cup of acting tea.
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  He is beautiful, beautiful man. Love him, love him down.
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  But yeah, beautiful. What a hottie.
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  He is not everyone's cup of tea when it comes to acting.
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  He's very understated. But I think he excels in the
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  film medium because you can zoom in on his very soulful, well of
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  emotion eyes and I think that works very well.
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  He seems to have an old soul in some of his best works.
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  It plays on that that he doesn't seem young.
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  I see you nodding your head, Lola.
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  Do you want to jump in? Talk about your thoughts on PAC
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  Pogo. I completely agree with Carol
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  and and you're kind of explanation of how he comes off
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  outside of acting. I completely agree where there's
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  like there's just I don't want to say darkness.
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  That sounds really harsh, but like I guess sadness just a
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  little bit softer. But there is something that I
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  feel like the way he presents, how sweet and kind of good guy
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  that he presents, it does seem like that's him trying his best,
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  you know, like I feel like that's his acting in a weird
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  way, not because he's not a good guy, but because he genuinely,
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  like you said, he's like he's healing from something or he's
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  has experienced a lot in his past.
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  I feel like, and he feels like he's putting that out.
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  I'm OK, everything's OK, life is fine, you know, And that's what
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  we get when he's just kind of, you know, out and about.
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  But to me, I think one of my favorite roles of his was
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  actually Hello Monster, where he was like at his dark, one of the
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  darkest. I feel like he was pretty dark
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  in there. And I feel like that really was
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  a sweet spot for him as far as like he's acting portrayal.
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  So him being like the really sweet good guy, kind of like he
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  is. And when life gives you lemons,
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  Tangerines, I do feel like that that matches his appearance, but
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  I don't know if that's like where he shines as far as his
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  acting performances. OK.
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  Remember that scene in Record of Use where he was sort of.
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  It was like a show within a show.
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  No, Yes. Yes.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  Yes, Yes, yes. And you get his eyes go like so
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  I don't know how to express it but dark or.
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  Dark. There's something dark.
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  Yeah, yes. And I was just like, Oh my God,
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  yes, it's good, Yeah. It's good.
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  Yes, I could. Believe.
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  I need him to do more roles like Dio.
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  I feel like if he did more roles like Dio, he would be perfect.
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  Yeah, yeah, he would be perfect. Wow, what AI didn't even think.
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  Yeah, they're definitely competition for certain roles,
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  I'm sure, and maybe in the sense they would want each other's
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  career. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah, I could totally see
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  that. So to round out the cast,
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  there's a huge massive cast but I'm only going to give you 2
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  more names. Moon, sorry, plays Ason when she
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  is middle-aged. She is basically, I use
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  character, grown up. She's been in 34 movies.
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  She's definitely a film actress more than a television actress.
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  But you might have seen her in Hellbound 2 from 2024.
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  Tong Yun, the star is born also from 2024.
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  Queen Maker, School Nurse Files, Life, Legend of Blue Sea.
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  That's just a handful of her 13 TV shows.
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  Have you seen this actress before?
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  I have and I love her so much and I need everyone to watch the
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  Legend, her first K drama in 2000 and. 7.
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  Amazing as. Soon as you give these early
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  aughts years, we start to lose people.
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  I just. I can hear people shutting down
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  as we speak. I have spoken to too many people
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  in the last several months that just refuse to watch things that
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  are a little older. Yeah, but she has a drama from
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  2000 Seven. Give it a watch.
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  Have you watched some of her work, Lola?
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  I have. And I also think she's
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  absolutely stellar. I think she's amazing.
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  I love John Young. The star was born.
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  So I mean, love that so much. So I yeah, I, I love her.
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  And she was great in there. She played as almost a similar
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  role, like the mother figure, you know, the kind of same, I
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  think time period, everything, you know.
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  So I, I like her in that, in that role, in that type of role
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  for sure. PAC Bogum's older middle-aged
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  actor is PAC Hidden, plays the same Kwangshu character.
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  He's been in 24 movies, 18 TV shows.
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  Some of the movies include 12:12 the Day, 20th Century Girl.
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  He's the school nurse, Emergency Declaration.
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  He was in Broker from 2022 alongside IU, The Eighth Night
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  startup TuneIn for Love from 2019.
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  Like a ton of movies and then for TV shows you might have seen
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  him most recently. He's had a really good couple of
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  years here, but Tempest last year, the Disney plus show Emma
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  also from last year, 2022 Love take 2, the 8 show.
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  He's worked with the director before.
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  He's a frequent collaborator. Arth doll chronicles.
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  He's Mupic and I'll tell you right now, when I saw the name
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  Mupic my, I started twitching like I, I was like, Oh my God,
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  too much, too much on Earth. All his most famous K drama has
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  to be the World of the Married from 2020, which I have tossed
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  around the idea of covering on the show because I've never seen
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  the world of the married. But it's a little difficult to
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  find, I guess on streaming platforms.
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  So it's always barred me covering it.
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  Have you seen this actor before? Do you like him in any of these
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  other works that he's been in? I do enjoy him.
• 21:10
  And I was going to bring up Mubeck because because I I'm not
• 21:16
  going to say I liked Arthel Chronicles.
• 21:18
  Yeah, the first one, but the second one.
• 21:21
  OK. Weirdly, weirdly was better for
• 21:24
  me. So I enjoyed him as Mubeck.
• 21:27
  So just to throw that out there that I think if you could get
• 21:30
  through the 2nd 1, you would enjoy him a little bit better at
• 21:32
  his Mubeck performance. But yeah, I I definitely love.
• 21:36
  He's been saying he's been in my Mr., you know, Yeah, World of
• 21:39
  the Mary. I think he's great.
• 21:40
  I think he's amazing. I mean, in this drama, too.
• 21:43
  He broke my heart. Carol.
• 21:46
  I agree with you Lola. I like him and everything.
• 21:49
  I especially liked him in the world of the married that is.
• 21:54
  Oh, that is some grown as sorry, that's a grown show.
• 22:03
  It's grown. It's.
• 22:04
  Grown. It was his performance drove me
• 22:08
  mad. I loved it so much and I
• 22:12
  remember him feeling like so bad after the show where he's
• 22:16
  telling people it's the character.
• 22:18
  It's character, yeah. Dang, yeah.
• 22:23
  So I can see that happening. Yikes.
• 22:26
  All right, there are a ton of people, like I said, in this
• 22:29
  cast, we cannot go over everybody, but I will just put a
• 22:32
  spotlight on those four. I'm going to turn it over to you
• 22:35
  guys and just whoever wants to go first.
• 22:37
  Tell me, what did you think of When Life Gives You Tangerines?
• 22:41
  This has been touted as the top, if not in the top K dramas of
• 22:46
  2025 and maybe even in the last five years.
• 22:50
  So I would love to know, does it hold water?
• 22:54
  I think it holds water. Like I said, it wasn't on my
• 22:57
  list and when I did watch it, I watched it over the last three
• 23:02
  days and it was fantastic. I really enjoyed it.
• 23:06
  I get why people say it was their top drama for 2025.
• 23:11
  The performances were great. The story is what really stuck
• 23:15
  with me. I bawled my eyes out and I was
• 23:19
  just reflecting on myself and my childhood and my mom.
• 23:22
  And immediately, like I hadn't even finished episode 16 and I
• 23:28
  started calling my mom's because for me, I had five moms in
• 23:34
  total. You know, those aunties, the
• 23:37
  henya aunties, I had moms like that.
• 23:41
  So I called each of them like in the middle of episode 16.
• 23:45
  I'm like, thank you so much for taking care of me.
• 23:48
  Yeah, I. Love you so much.
• 23:50
  I'm sorry I haven't been in touch.
• 23:52
  And yeah, I was. I was bawling my eyes out and
• 23:56
  they were each like, what the hell are you doing?
• 23:57
  Why are you crying? Stall.
• 24:00
  The show means a lot to me. Yeah.
• 24:03
  Means a lot to you, OK. I will say that it I agree that
• 24:07
  it holds water for sure. For me, I started watching this
• 24:11
  when it finished airing in, you know, 2025 and I couldn't finish
• 24:16
  it. I got to episode 6 a year ago
• 24:21
  and, and literally stopped. I was devastated.
• 24:24
  I was devastated. I could not continue watching
• 24:27
  it. And I kept telling my drama, I
• 24:29
  mean, my, my actual podcast, I kept telling like, oh, I'm going
• 24:32
  to be back. I'm going to I'm going to talk
• 24:34
  about it one day. It's so moving.
• 24:36
  It's so beautiful. It's some of the best writing
• 24:38
  that I've, you know, I've watched in a long time.
• 24:41
  I got to review this, but I could not bring myself to go
• 24:44
  back to that drama until you and said, hey, what do you think
• 24:48
  about removing my life gives you Tangerines?
• 24:50
  I was so scared of this trauma. That's because I feel like how
• 24:53
  you mentioned earlier that you cried from the very beginning to
• 24:56
  the very end of that episode. I cried in every single episode.
• 25:00
  Every episode 1 to episode 16, I cried and I even wrote this.
• 25:07
  I was writing my notes and one of the things I kept noticing
• 25:10
  when I was looking over my nose, I said I noted when I was crying
• 25:14
  without knowing I was crying. Like I I did a lot of silent
• 25:17
  tear just streaming down my face crying throughout the drama.
• 25:21
  So that's what I mean. It's like it wrecked me.
• 25:23
  It wrecks me. I was like, I don't know how am
• 25:26
  I going to talk about this drama?
• 25:27
  I kept saying that to myself. And I told my sister.
• 25:29
  I was like, I don't know if I could do this episode because I
• 25:33
  don't want to cry. Yeah, it totally wrecked me.
• 25:36
  And I think for me, the reason why is because it's just a
• 25:39
  wonderful story about life. And to me, those are the hardest
• 25:43
  stories to watch when it's just like we're just talking about
• 25:46
  how life beats you up and yet you move on to the next day
• 25:51
  still. And I struggle just watching
• 25:54
  them get beat up. But then at the same time, it
• 25:57
  was so beautiful. And I just really enjoyed the
• 25:59
  writing. My own background, being a
• 26:01
  literary girl as they call her. I'm very connected to that
• 26:05
  element, to the story. But also, like Carol, I could
• 26:08
  not stop thinking about my parents throughout the entire
• 26:11
  thing. All I want to do was just, you
• 26:13
  know, call them, see them, make sure they know I love them.
• 26:17
  Like that is what that drama definitely did for me.
• 26:20
  You know, I didn't cry till it soon lost her child.
• 26:24
  Prior to that I was just very pissed off at as soon I could
• 26:29
  not her as a kid. I remember sending Jess a voice
• 26:34
  note saying this girl needs to regulate her emotions.
• 26:38
  I cannot stand it made me want to drop the drama because I was
• 26:43
  just like I can't I can't I can't do this and Jess was like
• 26:47
  just keep going. I get it, just keep going.
• 26:51
  Going. Keep going.
• 26:52
  And you're glad you did, Carol. And I'm glad I did.
• 26:55
  Yes. I almost don't even know where
• 27:00
  to start on this show. I had very, very low
• 27:05
  expectations of it. I can start there is that I
• 27:08
  thought everybody is hyping the show and for what?
• 27:10
  It's not going to be that good. And again, if you listen to a
• 27:14
  lot of the end of the year 2025 stuff that I guessed it on, I'm
• 27:17
  not going to sit here and say, even with the inclusion of
• 27:21
  having watched When Life Gives You Tangerines, 2025 was a great
• 27:24
  release year for K dramas. I can't even say that I'm just
• 27:27
  like, yeah, it's makes it passable.
• 27:31
  This show, I think I struggled with it maybe a little bit more
• 27:36
  than you 2 because I am so picky about my slice of life shows.
• 27:42
  I'm someone that does not like Reply 1988, You know, it doesn't
• 27:47
  really work as well for me as it does for others.
• 27:50
  I think the magic sauce in those shows and in this show as well,
• 27:54
  is knowing a lot of the history of Korea and the pop culture
• 27:59
  references that pop up consistently throughout the
• 28:03
  show. I appreciating the changing of
• 28:06
  technology and the improvements, the industrialization of Korea.
• 28:12
  All of these things really help your appreciation of the show.
• 28:17
  That being said, I think I like this better than Reply 1988 and
• 28:22
  the similar thing that happened to me with Reply 1988 happened
• 28:25
  to me with this show was that I was watching the show.
• 28:28
  I was fine. I'm pretty strong, I don't cry
• 28:31
  very easily and then the last episode rolls around and I'm a
• 28:35
  puddle. It's I'm toe up from the flow
• 28:37
  up. For some reason, both Reply 1988
• 28:40
  and When Life Gives You Tangerines, I was a mess.
• 28:43
  Could not hold back my tears for the finale episode.
• 28:47
  When life Gives You Tangerines is, like you said a lot about
• 28:50
  parents and children and that sometimes very frustrating
• 28:55
  dynamic and the mountains and valleys of life.
• 28:59
  And I feel that if I watch the show at different stages of my
• 29:04
  life, I would appreciate different things about it and
• 29:08
  glean different things about it. It might hit a little different
• 29:11
  where I am in my life. I feel like I kind of got the
• 29:14
  best of both worlds where I really empathize with a lot of
• 29:18
  the younger characters and understood where they were
• 29:20
  coming from. But also I'm firmly also on the
• 29:23
  parents side, firmly for a lot of the show I felt like I was
• 29:29
  waiting for the family to catch a break the entire show.
• 29:31
  Exactly exactly. This isn't necessarily the fairy
• 29:35
  tale kind of setup for K dramas where you expect an overt happy
• 29:41
  ending, where you expect a clean resolution to a lot of the
• 29:44
  conflicts and it doesn't go for the easy ending.
• 29:49
  It is very bittersweet and I almost felt like I was treading
• 29:53
  water the whole show, just kind of waiting for something big to
• 29:58
  happen. And but like I said, the finale
• 30:01
  episode I was hit by a bus. Like I cried straight for over
• 30:05
  an hour. It opened the floodgates.
• 30:08
  I will say it is a very very beautiful show. 100% recommend
• 30:12
  it. I understand why people love it,
• 30:14
  and in the same fashion, I'm almost trying to keep arm's
• 30:18
  distance from it because I do feel like it might be overhyped.
• 30:23
  I don't feel like the cinematography was amazing.
• 30:26
  I agree. I agree I completely.
• 30:28
  Agree was left completely wanting there.
• 30:30
  Same. Yeah, I'm like, this looks like
• 30:33
  a lot of this was CGI on a blue screen.
• 30:36
  Yeah. And so the craft of storytelling
• 30:40
  is the thing of it and not necessarily some of the other
• 30:45
  pieces that could make this live on in my estimations.
• 30:49
  I almost want to forget it after we talk about it.
• 30:53
  A lot of it has to do with I think it's very good, not great.
• 30:57
  I also think it's amazing and I don't want to reopen these
• 31:02
  wounds. Completely understand that.
• 31:04
  Does that make any sense? Complete sense to me OK, I'm
• 31:07
  sorry. Complete sense.
• 31:09
  I feel the exact same way as far as like I will never watch this
• 31:13
  again. I have no desire to ever watch
• 31:16
  this again. I don't think I'll ever rewatch
• 31:18
  a scene or two episode here there.
• 31:21
  I have no desire whatsoever yeah yeah.
• 31:24
  And I and I and let me, I want to kind of explain myself of
• 31:27
  being a crybaby as far as be crying throughout the whole
• 31:29
  drama. This is just a little tidbit
• 31:31
  about me. I am a sucker for a mother
• 31:34
  character. So this entire drama is about
• 31:37
  mothers. OK.
• 31:38
  So I struggled with that from the very first episode with, you
• 31:42
  know, a son and her mother dynamic, all of that.
• 31:45
  So I was legitimately crying every episode because it's just
• 31:48
  the structure of what a mother is and and what mothers deal
• 31:51
  with. So I feel like that was what I
• 31:53
  was crying about throughout the entire drama.
• 31:56
  But yeah, I completely agree with you that keeping it arm's
• 31:58
  distance, not having any desire to revisit this again after
• 32:04
  talking about it, feeling like you want to say what you your
• 32:07
  piece about it and like, OK, when life gives you did Teresa's
• 32:10
  done. I love it.
• 32:11
  Yeah, Move. On.
• 32:15
  I hear you, I hear you. And I think for me, the crying
• 32:18
  was more so a deep sadness or a reaffirmation if you will, of
• 32:26
  seeing my mom was just a girl. She was just a girl and whatever
• 32:33
  lifetime I met her and she was still just a girl.
• 32:37
  Also thinking about her parents and the fact that a soon's
• 32:42
  character at the end is still like mom.
• 32:45
  I was just like, it reminded me a lot of things that happened in
• 32:50
  my life and I was just like, wow.
• 32:53
  I think what got me the most was anytime I use character.
• 32:57
  So Acen's daughter, anytime she lashed out and the words were so
• 33:05
  harsh to her parents and it's because she's frustrated.
• 33:09
  Like when she said I don't like being the first daughter, all
• 33:14
  this pressure is on me and and stuff like that.
• 33:16
  I was like, oh, but they're, they're also feeling it too.
• 33:20
  And you see her crying and that reminded me of my time when I
• 33:25
  was crying about saying something out of turn.
• 33:27
  So yeah, maybe I put myself in it too much or trying to work
• 33:34
  through stuff I don't. Think you saw it.
• 33:36
  I think this show is like Toy Story 3 levels of emotional
• 33:41
  manipulation, right? Like, it is totally
• 33:44
  intentionally trying to make you appreciate your parents and the
• 33:49
  generations that came before you and how they have struggled to
• 33:53
  help you rise. Yeah, I was thinking of my
• 33:56
  family history. It is like messing with the silt
• 33:59
  that's at the bottom of the river.
• 34:01
  And you're like, I thought this water was clear.
• 34:03
  And then all of a sudden, the show comes along, and it's like,
• 34:05
  oh, no, we're going to mess this all up.
• 34:06
  We're going to really dredge it up.
• 34:09
  And so I was thinking about my family.
• 34:11
  Think about my grandmother. Who, you know, there's a part in
• 34:14
  the show where the daughter is not allowed to ride a tricycle.
• 34:18
  And I remember learning to ride a bike.
• 34:20
  My dad was teaching me how to ride a bike.
• 34:22
  And my grandmother saying to me, I never learned how to ride a
• 34:24
  bike. I wasn't allowed to ride a bike
• 34:26
  in Puerto Rico. People would talk if they saw me
• 34:29
  riding a bike by myself around town.
• 34:31
  And I'm like, what do you mean? It just didn't even compute to
• 34:34
  me. And so a lot of this stuff
• 34:36
  that's generational. Generational.
• 34:39
  Is alive and well in a lot of people's memories.
• 34:45
  That is what makes the show special is that it taps in it.
• 34:47
  You don't even need to know Korean to know what they're
• 34:50
  talking about when it comes to that sort of relational,
• 34:54
  generational, backward thinking kind of stuff that has been
• 34:59
  worked through by your parents generation or even by your
• 35:03
  generation. Yeah, that's true.
• 35:06
  And it's impressive in that respect.
• 35:07
  It's really impressive to cross cultural lines like that very
• 35:12
  easily. I.
• 35:13
  Agree. So yeah, it made me super
• 35:15
  emotional. It made me want to call my mom
• 35:17
  just as just as much as it made you want to call all of your
• 35:19
  aunties and mom figures in your life again.
• 35:24
  If you get through the show and you're not a sobbing mess,
• 35:26
  please call me. I wanted to be what you're on
• 35:29
  because I was very upset. I was so beside myself at 1:30
• 35:35
  in the morning I cried all my skin care off.
• 35:37
  Yeah, it was rough. It was rough.
• 35:38
  I don't want to deal with it, but here we are like, I just
• 35:41
  want to like dig in deep and then cut out, you know what I'm
• 35:43
  saying? Yeah.
• 35:45
  Did you have a favorite era of the show?
• 35:47
  Because I saw some rumblings online saying I liked the show
• 35:51
  better when ISON was played by IU.
• 35:55
  Basically the younger years of this family and this character,
• 35:59
  and they kind of felt a little falling out or they tapped out a
• 36:03
  bit when they cut to the future and ISON is no longer played by
• 36:08
  IU, it's played by Munsori. Did you guys feel any type of
• 36:13
  way? One of the things that if we
• 36:15
  were going to say a critique of mine, and it's not a real
• 36:18
  critique, I think it's just a personal preference.
• 36:20
  Maybe I did not enjoy seeing IU play all the characters.
• 36:26
  Like I did not enjoy that. And so I think that's where I
• 36:30
  could see a little disconnect where I enjoyed her when she was
• 36:32
  playing Asun, I really enjoyed her there.
• 36:35
  But then when she, you know, switches and now she's playing
• 36:37
  Asun's daughter and something about that shifted for me.
• 36:41
  So it took me a little while after that shift in a couple
• 36:43
  episodes in to really get adjusted to her playing that
• 36:47
  that role. And I think that might have been
• 36:49
  more of a, I don't know if that was an IU thing, if that was an
• 36:53
  acting thing, if that wasn't the character wasn't spelled out
• 36:56
  enough for me on the page thing. But it it did take me a little
• 37:00
  bit to get back into it and enjoy it, that's for sure.
• 37:05
  The back of force threw me off a little with going back into the
• 37:09
  past and then coming into the future, especially when as soon
• 37:14
  as daughter is sort of experiencing parallel things as
• 37:19
  the mom did in the past. And that threw me.
• 37:25
  It kept pulling me out of the story a little.
• 37:28
  I absolutely did not enjoy IU as a son until her son died.
• 37:36
  After her son died, I was just like, OK, OK, I'm seeing
• 37:39
  something here. But before I was just like, no
• 37:41
  thank you. I didn't feel a thing because I
• 37:45
  was just like, you got to regulate your emotions, girl.
• 37:49
  And I had to come to the realization that I'm being too
• 37:52
  harsh with that because I think for myself, I'm always trying to
• 37:59
  regulate. So when I see someone not
• 38:02
  regulating I get pissed off. You're like, try harder.
• 38:04
  Yeah, I'll jump in and say IU does.
• 38:11
  How do I say this? IU in this show is the best
• 38:14
  version of IU in an acting sphere like this show.
• 38:19
  And same thing for packable gum. It's almost they're too good to
• 38:24
  fail because it's playing to their strengths I feel.
• 38:30
  And I personally really, really like IU when she is playing a
• 38:35
  morose, melancholic character like she does in my Mr. like she
• 38:42
  does in the movie Broker. I think that is doing something
• 38:46
  different. This is a little bit more
• 38:48
  standard of AK drama, female lead.
• 38:52
  And it's not that she does a bad job because there's peaks and
• 38:55
  valleys like we're going to get into.
• 38:58
  But I think what you're saying, Carol, is that when she goes
• 39:01
  through the valley, you locked in finally.
• 39:04
  Yeah. On her performance.
• 39:07
  Yeah. But I out of the two of them,
• 39:10
  Monsuri and Ayu, I definitely like Monsuri better.
• 39:16
  I thought they were going to do because it's always when shows
• 39:22
  and movies, whatever media do, the father is or the mother is
• 39:27
  playing a character and then they're playing another
• 39:30
  character that very intentionally is supposed to
• 39:33
  remind the protagonist or whatever of the other parental
• 39:38
  figure. Like take for instance, Peter
• 39:41
  Pan Traditionally Captain Hook is played by the the same actor
• 39:46
  that plays the father of the children, right?
• 39:49
  Like that is saying something that's talking about the
• 39:52
  intimidation they feel from their father and the way that he
• 39:56
  is antagonizing their childhood, right?
• 40:00
  By forcing them to grow up. Yeah.
• 40:03
  So I thought, oh, this is also trying to do something.
• 40:06
  I'm not sure if it was necessarily successful in doing
• 40:09
  something to that effect, because it's almost like you
• 40:14
  didn't need IU. Yeah.
• 40:17
  To play both roles. That's what I'm saying that took
• 40:20
  me out of it the most. I felt like I completely I
• 40:23
  completely agree with that. Like, I feel like IU playing
• 40:26
  both for me took away from me getting the opportunity to
• 40:31
  really learn our other character outside of a soon.
• 40:36
  I feel like I was struggling. Yeah.
• 40:38
  I was. I was having a hard time
• 40:40
  recognizing who she was outside of her being a mirror of her
• 40:44
  mother, you know, like, just like her mother, you know, like
• 40:46
  how Carol mentioned the moments where they like, intentionally
• 40:49
  were showing, like she was saying verbatim something her
• 40:52
  mom said back in the past. You know, like, it took me out
• 40:55
  of it as well. So I feel like if that was a
• 40:58
  different actor, that would have helped me a little bit better.
• 41:02
  I feel, I mean, like, like you said, I don't feel like it was
• 41:05
  necessary for her to do both of them.
• 41:07
  I I just. Don't I agree?
• 41:09
  I just, I was talking to you guys before we got started about
• 41:11
  Withering Heights because there's a new adaptation in
• 41:13
  theaters. Don't go see it.
• 41:14
  It's awful. But.
• 41:16
  I was, I was thinking about all the other adaptations that I've
• 41:19
  seen of Withering Heights and in one adaptation, the one with Ray
• 41:23
  Fynes, he plays Heathcliff. The same actress plays Kathy and
• 41:30
  then Kathy Junior. Which, how confusing is that?
• 41:32
  But that's not necessary. It's not necessary.
• 41:36
  That's not necessary to do that. I think that might be doing too
• 41:39
  much. Yeah.
• 41:40
  And then when you. Because they're not different
• 41:42
  enough. I don't, I don't know.
• 41:44
  That's true. Like you need that extra
• 41:46
  distance. You do?
• 41:48
  Yeah. I, I I.
• 41:50
  Can't even I, I don't have the words to articulate why it's
• 41:54
  different than like Captain Hook and the dad and yes, whatever.
• 41:57
  But yeah, I kind of am left with more about it than a wow that
• 42:03
  really made the show. And the other part is by the
• 42:10
  end. This story is about a soon to
• 42:15
  me. So why is my screen flooded with
• 42:17
  IU? And she's the only person who
• 42:21
  gets 2 roles. Paco Gun does not get 2 roles I.
• 42:25
  Completely agree. Exactly.
• 42:27
  I completely. Agree.
• 42:29
  So that also pissed me off A. Little It almost feels selfish
• 42:34
  to do that in such a you have so many characters in this show,
• 42:39
  what is one more? What is 1?
• 42:42
  More What is one more? Why can't you just introduce us
• 42:44
  to a new actor, a new face? Because this has been a
• 42:49
  wonderful vehicle to introduce new actors to the world.
• 42:53
  Yeah, absolutely. Instead, we doubled up on IU and
• 42:56
  it's like, we love IU, we know IU, let's move on.
• 42:59
  Yes, that's what I'm saying. I.
• 43:01
  Completely agree. OK.
• 43:03
  All right. So we are kind of opposite from
• 43:06
  some of the majority in that respect because I think everyone
• 43:09
  loves IU and they would love to see more of her on their screens
• 43:12
  and they probably worked just fine for them.
• 43:14
  That you played two roles, the mother and the daughter.
• 43:19
  This series, like I said, was praised endlessly for its
• 43:22
  performances, screenplay and direction.
• 43:24
  Who do you think was the weak link of the show?
• 43:27
  Who was the weak link of the show as in?
• 43:31
  Acting wise. Weak acting wise.
• 43:36
  I don't a weak link as far as acting goes.
• 43:40
  Out of the main cast or the whole show?
• 43:42
  Let's keep it to main cast. Main cast.
• 43:48
  Oh, this is hard. Kimsuno.
• 43:50
  Oh. Because we didn't one, we didn't
• 43:53
  really see him, but I, I don't think he like really brought
• 44:00
  anything. OK, I don't know.
• 44:03
  Is it Kimsuno? Here's here's why it's difficult
• 44:07
  to sort of determine because you mentioned Mark Bogam and IU do
• 44:12
  really well in certain kinds of roles and that's what we know
• 44:16
  them for. So is it a weak link or is it
• 44:21
  just being in their zone? I'm not giving it to Munsari.
• 44:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or maybe I would give it to the
• 44:33
  guy who had a crush on Asun and his family.
• 44:37
  So I was going to. Left him in the end.
• 44:39
  The guy that had a crush on Asun O, You said it.
• 44:43
  Yes, Youngbaum. Yes you do, Young.
• 44:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I would.
• 44:48
  I think I would go towards him. I'm talking about the guy she
• 44:51
  was going to marry. Yes.
• 44:54
  Yes. Yes, Ethan Young plays PAC
• 44:57
  Young. Boom.
• 44:59
  I would say he is a weak link. I would argue that every time IU
• 45:04
  is doing the kind of thing, she's a weak link.
• 45:10
  Yes. I mean, and I'm being very
• 45:14
  harsh, like I'm pulling this out where people are probably never
• 45:19
  asking this question. Yeah, but I wouldn't give it to
• 45:23
  the older. Two actors?
• 45:24
  No, not at all. Not at all.
• 45:28
  I will say the male lead, so originally played by POC Bogam
• 45:32
  and then played by Pockage, and this character felt the realist
• 45:37
  out of all the characters to me just based on my my own family
• 45:42
  history. My grandfather is basically this
• 45:45
  character calling she very sweet spirit would worship the ground
• 45:51
  my grandmother walked on. They were married for 50 years.
• 45:54
  He got dementia, Alzheimer's in the end, and he was bedridden
• 45:59
  for seven years and he forgot all of us, forgot all of our
• 46:01
  names, never forgot her. Beautiful.
• 46:06
  Oh, never. Forget her.
• 46:08
  Yeah. So all of these odd jobs and the
• 46:11
  way that Kwan tik would do anything to put food on the
• 46:14
  table and was fishing and stuff. My dad, he said this a couple of
• 46:19
  times in my life, but I've always remembered it.
• 46:21
  He's like, for the first few years of my life, up until maybe
• 46:24
  I was a teenager, I didn't realize we were poor.
• 46:26
  I love that. And I was like, what do you
• 46:30
  mean? He was like, because we, you
• 46:31
  know, we always had food on the table.
• 46:33
  We always, I didn't realize that not having a room growing up,
• 46:38
  that I would sleep on the couch in the living room was not like,
• 46:41
  that's that we're poor. You know, we were in a 2 bedroom
• 46:45
  house for five of us. And my grandfather used to bring
• 46:51
  home, he would work on the docks or something like that and would
• 46:54
  bring home boxes of lobster. And they would be like, EW, I
• 46:58
  don't want lobster. Him and my aunts would be like,
• 47:00
  I don't like lobster. And they didn't know how good.
• 47:02
  Like, now he's like, I didn't realize that lobsters were such
• 47:07
  a, you know, delicacy. Yeah.
• 47:09
  Yeah. But yeah, cute stories like that
• 47:12
  that really reminded me of my grandfather and Kwang Sheikh
• 47:17
  being so close. So that was my favorite
• 47:20
  character. That was the character that I
• 47:22
  really that it just sang for me. Did you have a character that
• 47:26
  also left off the screen for you?
• 47:29
  Mine was Quanchek too, because by the end I was just like, you
• 47:33
  know that list that what I'm looking for in a guy.
• 47:37
  Quanchek just went to the top and then I'm sitting here like,
• 47:41
  OK, is that person real? So I'm so happy you said your
• 47:44
  grandpa is like that because that means that person's real.
• 47:48
  But at first I had Nam Gu Ming's character in my.
• 47:53
  Dear Yeah. So now I was comparing both of
• 47:58
  them and I was like damn I I do think I would still go for a
• 48:04
  Quan shake. So I'm looking for my Quan
• 48:06
  shake. If you have any hookup, let them
• 48:10
  slide in my DM. Yeah.
• 48:12
  Yeah, send them your way for sure.
• 48:15
  I completely agree, I think he was definitely my stand out
• 48:19
  character as well. I mean, I could write a book on
• 48:24
  his character, to be honest with you.
• 48:26
  I could I could go on and on about him, but I completely
• 48:30
  agree with that. But I will say that I'd stand
• 48:32
  out character for me, that I, and I always like to do this.
• 48:35
  I like to, you know, throw everybody for a loop.
• 48:38
  I would have to say for me, another stand out was BU Sangil,
• 48:43
  played by one of my favorite actors, Che de Hoon.
• 48:46
  OK, yeah, I know. I absolutely adore him as an
• 48:51
  actor. And I think he's a, he's the
• 48:54
  definition of a scene Stiller when it comes to acting for me.
• 48:57
  Whenever he comes on the screen, I don't think about anyone else.
• 49:01
  And that happened throughout this entire drama, even with his
• 49:05
  character being just kind of just despicable at times and
• 49:09
  just gross at times and just horrible.
• 49:11
  But I could not look away from his performance.
• 49:14
  And so his character really stood out to me, even though he
• 49:18
  was a character you weren't supposed to be, you know,
• 49:20
  fawning over by any means. But the performance was just
• 49:23
  too, too, too good. And then I did like how his
• 49:26
  character kind of evolved towards the end there.
• 49:27
  I love seeing him as a grandfather, I'm not gonna lie.
• 49:30
  Just seeing him on screen in general, I was having a good
• 49:32
  time so I wouldn't have to throw him out there cuz I just stand
• 49:36
  out seeing Stiller. Yeah, that's great.
• 49:39
  He's really good. And he surprised me as well,
• 49:41
  especially how they wrote his character cuz it's so complex,
• 49:44
  so complex, so complex and he's a side character.
• 49:48
  He's that's what I'm like mean. And he was so jealous of Crunchy
• 49:53
  so. Jealous, so jealous.
• 49:55
  But their friendship at the end there, I was like, I kind of
• 49:57
  love this though. Yeah, the person I did struggle
• 50:01
  with was Park Yong. Run like his wife.
• 50:06
  Sis, why are you? Why are you there?
• 50:09
  Why are? You.
• 50:10
  She never really explained it either.
• 50:12
  She never really explained it. Yeah.
• 50:14
  It's kind of she's just trapped in this bad habit and he is
• 50:19
  providing for her, I guess, in that she has food on the table
• 50:24
  and she has a roof over her head and she probably doesn't have
• 50:29
  much else in the way of an education.
• 50:31
  So she's trapped is what I gathered.
• 50:36
  And I love how she goes through an evolution as well in the show
• 50:40
  and it takes decades for her to change.
• 50:44
  A lot of these side characters are really special.
• 50:47
  I'll tell you what I loved I wanted to see more of this
• 50:49
  character and we just can't do it.
• 50:52
  I understand why we can't do it, but Kumheran plays the Henyo
• 50:57
  mother to Esson, Esson's mother. She was everything.
• 51:01
  I could have gone five more episodes.
• 51:03
  With her five more, it could have just about her.
• 51:05
  That could have been just about her.
• 51:07
  That's who was making me cry so early in the show.
• 51:11
  She was too good. Too good.
• 51:13
  I think she's fantastic. This show got a lot of accolades
• 51:17
  and eight nominations at the 61st Pick Song Awards, winning
• 51:22
  four of them, including best drama.
• 51:24
  Time magazine named this the best Korean drama of 2025, and I
• 51:29
  thought this was something of note.
• 51:32
  Time magazine praised the series for being devastatingly profound
• 51:36
  quote, showing not only the story of one family, but also
• 51:39
  the story of Korea's modernization from the post war
• 51:42
  period to today and highlighting a rich and distinct cultural
• 51:46
  history of Teju Island, which I thought was a perfect synopsis
• 51:51
  or read of the show. I thought this was interesting.
• 51:55
  The production on this show was very expensive, reported to be
• 52:00
  around 60 billion won. Wow.
• 52:04
  Which equates to in today's dollars, the day that we're
• 52:07
  recording $41,641,797. And $0.24 that can't be.
• 52:15
  True. That is the equivalent.
• 52:16
  That is the production cost of this show.
• 52:19
  What? So I went back into the archives
• 52:23
  and I asked what was the typical budget for AK Drama 10 years
• 52:28
  ago, 2016 and approximately per episode it cost 700 million won
• 52:36
  to make a single episode of AK drama.
• 52:38
  And that equates to if it's a 16 episode K drama, that's 11.2
• 52:43
  billion won. What does that equate to in U.S.
• 52:47
  dollars? That's 7,773,130.
• 52:51
  Five U.S. Dollars ten years ago
• 52:54
  thereabouts in that range to make AK drama, which means this
• 53:00
  drama is about 6 times Yeah, it cost 6 times what it would
• 53:07
  normally cost to make AK drama in 2016 to make when life Gives
• 53:11
  you Tangerines. How much was that pay of the
• 53:14
  actors? That's what I want.
• 53:15
  To know that's. The question they would never
• 53:17
  actually. They would never let.
• 53:18
  Us they would never. How much did IU charge for two
• 53:21
  rolls? For two rolls, how much IU?
• 53:25
  How much was that? Give us the numbers.
• 53:29
  I wanted to bring up the budget because I don't I'm not quite
• 53:32
  sure where it went. Where it went in their pockets,
• 53:35
  I was it has to be in pay, it has to be.
• 53:38
  But this is not sustainable. At all.
• 53:41
  If the best K drama of 2025 touted by Time, touted by so
• 53:46
  many people, cost 41.6 million U.S. dollars to make, and you
• 53:53
  want to flood the industry with $41 million K dramas, it's not
• 53:56
  going to happen. I kind of want it to happen.
• 53:59
  That is not sustainable. I want it to, I want it to break
• 54:02
  so that then we can go back to yesteryear.
• 54:04
  Like those cheap ass key dramas with a good story.
• 54:07
  Yes, I want to go back, take us back, take us back.
• 54:12
  And I don't know if you guys had thoughts on it, but I just
• 54:14
  wanted to throw that in there. I do think the bubble is going
• 54:18
  to burst soon, or I hope it does, where it stabilizes the
• 54:22
  cost of making these dramas. Yes, the story is great, but the
• 54:28
  story is you can put it in like 2000 and two 2000 and four 2000
• 54:35
  like in the early years and it would fit right in.
• 54:40
  I also do think they would have better shots from what we get in
• 54:48
  Tangerine. I'm so disappointed in the Jeju.
• 54:50
  Shot I'm not crazy. This looks like slop.
• 54:52
  No Netflix slop crazy. Absolutely this.
• 54:55
  Looks like every other Netflix movie and TV show.
• 55:00
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 55:02
  So I think it went into the actors pay.
• 55:04
  Absolutely. Does it doesn't make any sense
• 55:07
  for it? Because I like you said, that
• 55:08
  was one of the things that stood out to me as a big no no, is
• 55:12
  that for it to be the top kid drama of 2025 and for it
• 55:16
  cinematically not to be or cinematographically not be as
• 55:20
  beautiful as it could have been? It just doesn't make sense.
• 55:22
  Like you should have been one of the most beautiful dramas I've
• 55:25
  seen on the screen in a long time with the way that they talk
• 55:28
  about this drama. And it was so easy.
• 55:30
  You were in J Judo like you should.
• 55:32
  It should be easy to shoot how beautiful that is.
• 55:36
  Yeah, So I'm so confused. I'm so confused.
• 55:39
  Why? Yeah, I don't know.
• 55:42
  So what would you give when life gives you Tangerines out of
• 55:45
  fives? Hold your bottles. 5 being the
• 55:47
  best zero to 1 being terrible. Right, Carol, I'll go after you.
• 55:51
  I want. To give it 3.6, give it 3. .63
• 55:57
  point 6 I was expecting. OK, Carol, talking through your
• 56:00
  score, talking through your. Score.
• 56:04
  Well, a 50% is 2.5. I'm a big cinematography person
• 56:09
  and like I said, I don't think it was the best in terms of
• 56:14
  cinematography, but it also just what I mentioned earlier, the
• 56:22
  story could have been a couple of years ago, not a couple, 20
• 56:26
  years ago, and it would have worked and it would have felt
• 56:30
  like the K dramas that I knew. So 33.6.
• 56:36
  It feels unfair to give it a four looking at the other dramas
• 56:39
  that we've given 4, especially for the cinematography.
• 56:42
  So by saying it could have been done a couple of years ago, what
• 56:47
  do you mean by that? I mean, the story and why
• 56:53
  everyone loves it so much makes me feel like you love it so much
• 56:59
  because you're not watching the shows in 2004.
• 57:02
  You're not watching. Sorry.
• 57:05
  That's what I mean. I'll just stop.
• 57:07
  It Carol. Did you just gag the girls,
• 57:09
  Carol? So you're OK, so let me get this
• 57:13
  straight. I'm not a contesting your
• 57:16
  ranking, your rating. I'm just trying to get a better
• 57:19
  handle on why you why you gave it 3.6.
• 57:22
  So you're saying because this show is not reinventing the
• 57:27
  wheel necessarily? And.
• 57:31
  It's impressing people that don't have a deep well of K
• 57:34
  drama knowledge. Ouch, that sounds harsh.
• 57:36
  Is it? That's what I'm gathering.
• 57:38
  I wouldn't say deep knowledge of K drama, not like deep
• 57:42
  understanding. I just, I don't know what to
• 57:47
  tell. You do you know there is
• 57:48
  something to be said about the hook of IU and PAC Bogum in the
• 57:51
  first few episodes? I and I didn't like the first
• 57:55
  few episodes. It took me till episode When did
• 58:00
  the kid die? 6-7?
• 58:02
  For me, it was like, okay, yeah, for me to be like, OK, I can get
• 58:07
  into this. Mind you, I did like Park
• 58:10
  Bogum's character himself, like throughout the show.
• 58:15
  And I was just like, ah, you, this foolish boy, why are you
• 58:17
  still following this selfish guilt?
• 58:20
  But I got it. I got it.
• 58:23
  He he liked her, but her character I could not connect
• 58:28
  with her until her kid died. Yeah, she's a little tough,
• 58:33
  Tough nut to crack. Lola, why don't you give us your
• 58:36
  rating? I was preparing for this
• 58:38
  because, you know, this is the hardest part for me.
• 58:40
  I don't do well with like. You don't do this on your.
• 58:42
  Phone so I don't and so I've always like OK, I have to be
• 58:46
  prepared so I thought about this beforehand and I was going
• 58:49
  between like a four and then a 4.5 but I think I had landed on
• 58:55
  a four only because of that. I want to completely to say that
• 59:02
  I agree a lot with what Carol was just saying.
• 59:05
  As far as the story itself is, it could have been done years
• 59:10
  ago. It's not something that I feel
• 59:12
  like I haven't seen before in that to be honest.
• 59:15
  I feel like I have seen this show before and other dramas.
• 59:19
  So I do feel like that to me means that it wasn't anything
• 59:24
  life changing. Because of that.
• 59:26
  I feel like if you isolate it, it it can feel life changing.
• 59:30
  But if you think about it in the grand scope of K drama, for me,
• 59:35
  it's not life changing. What are their beautiful,
• 59:38
  beautiful moments? Did I relate to a lot of it?
• 59:41
  Did it make me, you know, like I said, feel all these emotions
• 59:45
  throughout? Absolutely.
• 59:47
  But it was for me, like it wasn't something that I hadn't
• 59:52
  seen before to the point where I feel like it needs to be.
• 59:56
  I mean, I feel like it could be heralded in 2025.
• 59:59
  I think that's absolutely fine. But I wouldn't say under the
• 1:00:02
  grand scream of like this type of story, it was completely life
• 1:00:05
  changing. Like for example, and this is me
• 1:00:08
  talking about John Young, the star is born.
• 1:00:10
  Like I felt there was a lot of similarity weirdly about like
• 1:00:14
  the time period kind of where it was located and things like
• 1:00:16
  that. And I felt like I got a lot more
• 1:00:20
  from that experience than I did when life gives you tangerine.
• 1:00:24
  So I don't want to say that I didn't enjoy the drama.
• 1:00:27
  I did in the watching moment. Right.
• 1:00:30
  So that makes sense. But when I step out of it,
• 1:00:32
  absolutely. I'm like, OK, I watched it, you
• 1:00:35
  know? Yeah, Exactly.
• 1:00:37
  Exactly. OK.
• 1:00:38
  I'm going to jump in and give my score is basically 4 out of five
• 1:00:42
  hold you bottles as well similar.
• 1:00:45
  I mean, I think we're all really close to each other because 3.6
• 1:00:48
  versus 4. Is.
• 1:00:50
  You know, make a difference. But yeah, there's something to
• 1:00:53
  be said for the fact that this didn't stick to my bones and I'm
• 1:00:58
  going to basically pair it. What you said, Lola, that it was
• 1:01:01
  very easy to stop watching this show at any point.
• 1:01:05
  Like I was at episode 8, stopped at episode 8 for months and I
• 1:01:10
  never felt, wow, I need to go back and finish When life gives
• 1:01:13
  you Tangerines. This is missing from my life.
• 1:01:16
  Never, ever, ever. And even when I was finishing
• 1:01:18
  and on my way to the finale that, you know, told me up, I
• 1:01:25
  again, didn't feel any sense of urgency, any sense of this is
• 1:01:29
  going to make my year at all. Like you said, this is not
• 1:01:34
  reinventing the wheel. Yeah, I've seen other K drama,
• 1:01:38
  slice of life shows that touched me more and I guess in more
• 1:01:43
  profound ways, despite this being a very profound show.
• 1:01:45
  Like I'm not going to take that away from it.
• 1:01:47
  It was going for the emotional jugular and I think that it's
• 1:01:52
  successful in that. But yeah, I I can't say it's the
• 1:01:57
  best of the last five years. It's definitely of the best of
• 1:02:01
  2025. I don't know.
• 1:02:04
  Maybe it's because we've been watching K dramas for a really
• 1:02:06
  long time, you know, all three of us, and we've seen a lot of
• 1:02:11
  stuff. I don't know.
• 1:02:12
  I don't know what to tell you. Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  But yeah, I think that's. You know, it's, it's kind of the
• 1:02:18
  difference between same thing for movie years.
• 1:02:21
  You're like 1997 was a great year.
• 1:02:23
  Then you look at other years and you're like the best of this
• 1:02:25
  year is not the same caliber as the best of this other year.
• 1:02:30
  And I think that's kind of what we're edging toward is that when
• 1:02:34
  life gives you Tangerines is great in its weight class.
• 1:02:37
  Yes, yeah. Yes, And when you talk about,
• 1:02:40
  you know, the Time magazine review, and please forgive me if
• 1:02:44
  this sounds harsh, I'm just like, ah, by you, Times
• 1:02:47
  Magazine, the American shows, none of you hits like this.
• 1:02:50
  So of course you are going to see this as an amazing thing.
• 1:02:54
  It's not amazing to some of us who have been here for decades.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah. And I, I don't want that to
• 1:03:02
  sound disparaging to those that were really touched by this
• 1:03:06
  show. We.
• 1:03:07
  Are still touched by it. We were touched.
• 1:03:09
  We haven't seen. We've been crying.
• 1:03:10
  For hours watching this show every episode.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah. But there is some that we have a
• 1:03:16
  little perspective I guess is what we're all trying to get out
• 1:03:20
  with these scores. Overall, this is this is great,
• 1:03:25
  but it's not long term changing us in fundamental ways and
• 1:03:32
  making us reassess what K dramas can do, which I think that's
• 1:03:37
  sort of the feedback that I was picking up when people were
• 1:03:41
  watching When Life Gives You Tangerines is that this is like
• 1:03:43
  a life changing experience. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:47
  We're all making faces like. I get it though.
• 1:03:51
  I get it. I completely get it.
• 1:03:53
  But I also, you know what? I, OK, this is one thing I will
• 1:03:56
  say about the drama and that I, I will give it.
• 1:03:59
  I will say that from a writing perspective, I do feel like it
• 1:04:03
  is so beautiful. I really think it like from a
• 1:04:06
  writer writing kind of thing. Like if you're a writer, like
• 1:04:09
  the what the writer does is phenomenal.
• 1:04:12
  Like you, there's a lot throughout the the drama that I
• 1:04:14
  just think is phenomenal. And I think that it does a lot
• 1:04:16
  that you can pick apart that you can analyze that you can, you
• 1:04:20
  know, move and, and, and connect the dots.
• 1:04:22
  And I feel like that is special. And I feel like sometimes when K
• 1:04:26
  drama world and K drama land, even in the past, I feel like
• 1:04:30
  that wasn't always the focus, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:32
  Like just to to kind of put certain Nuggets and and and use
• 1:04:37
  certain things and as far as writing style goes and these
• 1:04:40
  stories, But I feel like that might have struck with a lot of
• 1:04:44
  people. I think that was new for people
• 1:04:47
  in K drama, like just having a a story that has like these things
• 1:04:51
  that like the motif of the the seasons and the the the colors
• 1:04:55
  and the springs and, and comparing the the characters to
• 1:04:58
  sometimes the seasons. And I just feel like a lot of.
• 1:05:00
  That non linear. Storytelling exactly, that's not
• 1:05:05
  that's kind of I think new for K drama watchers in a way, but I
• 1:05:10
  don't think it's you know, it hasn't done before, but I do
• 1:05:12
  feel like like that's what stood out, I think, in this 2025, at
• 1:05:16
  least for this show. All right, fair enough.
• 1:05:19
  Can I ask a question? Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Why is the show called When Life Gives You Tangerines?
• 1:05:24
  Why do you why do you think Lola before I jump in?
• 1:05:27
  Oh, I don't know. Like I don't know if it was
• 1:05:29
  mentioned in the story or not, but I always just assumed that
• 1:05:31
  it was like the idea of play on when life gives you lemons,
• 1:05:34
  yeah, and you make lemonade and then when life gives you
• 1:05:37
  Tangerines because they were in Jeju the whole time.
• 1:05:40
  So I was I was assuming it was something like that.
• 1:05:43
  I think you just nailed it, but OK.
• 1:05:45
  Go ahead. I I agree with that.
• 1:05:47
  And that makes sense. I think, you know, when you name
• 1:05:51
  a title, you're expecting for that name to show up in the show
• 1:05:56
  or in the movie or in some way. And I was reflecting on, wait,
• 1:06:01
  how many times did we actually see or hear Tangerines in the
• 1:06:06
  show? And we they're shown a lot.
• 1:06:10
  I thought it was they were persimmons more so because like
• 1:06:15
  the big moments when they sold their house, it was a Persimmon
• 1:06:18
  tree. When I used character was
• 1:06:21
  getting finally getting married. The mom had gifted Tangerines
• 1:06:26
  and then she received persimmons, dried persimmons.
• 1:06:30
  So I was like huh interesting. Why is this called when life
• 1:06:35
  gives you Tangerines? But I get your response.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, I think there's Tangerines weaving in and out of it, like
• 1:06:41
  literal Tangerines weaving in and out of the show.
• 1:06:45
  And like Lola said, the play on the backs.
• 1:06:50
  And when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
• 1:06:53
  You know, it's Lola mentioned briefly the changing of the
• 1:06:56
  seasons and that being a recurring motif in the show and
• 1:07:01
  life and loss and renewal and struggle and acceptance and all
• 1:07:05
  of these themes that the show explores through the lives of
• 1:07:09
  these characters. It's touching on resilience and
• 1:07:14
  it's just not about enduring hardship.
• 1:07:17
  It's about finding the warmth and the meaning and the beauty
• 1:07:20
  in life. And that is an element, I guess,
• 1:07:24
  of making lemonade in hard times, or in this case,
• 1:07:30
  tangerine juice, I guess. Yes.
• 1:07:34
  Also, I think in one of the final episodes, Essen writes a
• 1:07:39
  poem and the poems, one of the final lines has something about
• 1:07:42
  when life gives you Tangerines. Yeah, OK, that's weird.
• 1:07:45
  There is a direct quote I think in that and.
• 1:07:47
  Then the final episode too. There's the scene when Essen is
• 1:07:51
  sitting with her mom about talking about the poetry
• 1:07:54
  collection. She's Pilling tangerine.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah, sure. Final scene.
• 1:07:58
  Yeah. She pills Tangerines a few
• 1:07:59
  times. Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah. And then gives it to her mom.
• 1:08:01
  And then, like, there's also, like, a solo shot on the
• 1:08:04
  tangerine. I felt like I was like, OK,
• 1:08:06
  they're trying to nail it home. Tangerine.
• 1:08:09
  So see, I missed all that, OK. You watched it very fast, Carol
• 1:08:14
  inside the reading. Here I was in AI mean I took me
• 1:08:17
  a year to watch it, So yeah, Thursday.
• 1:08:20
  Friday is Saturday. Yeah, three days.
• 1:08:23
  Three days. All right, we're going to get
• 1:08:25
  going on some spoilers. We're going to be back and spoil
• 1:08:28
  what happens and when life goes to Tangerines right after this.
• 1:08:32
  Excuse me. Bora, go.
• 1:08:34
  I can't. Tara.
• 1:08:36
  Can't. Tara, You know I have no
• 1:08:38
  tingles. Oh, sorry.
• 1:08:40
  Swear. Discussing shirts?
• 1:08:43
  What? All right, so we're on the other
• 1:08:49
  side of spoilers. We're going to spoil When Life
• 1:08:51
  Gives You Tangerines. And again, this is not a recap
• 1:08:53
  podcast. We cannot go through every
• 1:08:55
  single episode of this show, all the minutiae.
• 1:08:59
  We're not, we're not going to do that.
• 1:09:00
  But I think we do want to start with some characters and talk
• 1:09:05
  through a few of their journeys. Did you guys have a character in
• 1:09:09
  mind to start on? Can we start with Quanshee?
• 1:09:12
  Yeah, yeah, go for it. I loved Crunchy's character.
• 1:09:16
  I remember saying I don't understand why he's with this
• 1:09:20
  selfish girl or what I felt like was selfish, if you will, in the
• 1:09:27
  beginning. But.
• 1:09:30
  You know, it was, I have to say, go ahead.
• 1:09:32
  My grandmother was not the nicest person.
• 1:09:35
  So I mean, she was a St. but she was not.
• 1:09:40
  She was very similar in a way to essence character and that's why
• 1:09:47
  I guess I believed it that he was like so attracted to this
• 1:09:52
  stubborn bratty girl. I was like, that might be, I
• 1:09:57
  don't know if that's a a thing, a thing, but this, these types
• 1:10:01
  of personalities to attract each other, but opposites attract.
• 1:10:04
  Yeah, very much the opposites. But you didn't understand his
• 1:10:08
  fascination with her. Yeah, especially when they were
• 1:10:11
  kids. I was like, I don't get it.
• 1:10:13
  I don't get it, Brov. But I really appreciated how he
• 1:10:20
  was just a solid rock. Yeah.
• 1:10:23
  And there were times when I was wondering how he was feeling and
• 1:10:29
  how he was dealing with things because we always see Asun's
• 1:10:34
  character speak out her emotions, speak out her
• 1:10:38
  frustrations, her anger. And we never really get to see
• 1:10:43
  him speak up. Only towards the end when they
• 1:10:46
  went to the hospital and he's like finally sharing what he is,
• 1:10:52
  who and what he's resentful for and it just made me feel again.
• 1:10:59
  Parkville gum. The loneliness, the the sadness,
• 1:11:03
  the struggling with something behind his eyes that really
• 1:11:09
  stuck to me. I loved how he was willing to do
• 1:11:13
  anything for the family to put food on the table.
• 1:11:17
  And I especially loved how he wanted Asun to shine because he
• 1:11:25
  knew she just had it in her. And when he they asked him, what
• 1:11:29
  do you want to be? He's like, I want to be the
• 1:11:30
  first lady. I was just like, that is so
• 1:11:35
  sweet, but also, what do you want?
• 1:11:38
  And it's sort of I had to accept like, oh, he just wants to be
• 1:11:42
  there for her to remove the obstacles as much as he can for
• 1:11:48
  her. That was pretty lovely.
• 1:11:50
  And I think what I particularly liked was he wasn't just nice to
• 1:11:56
  a Soon we see the actor lady who comes back and helps his
• 1:12:01
  business. But even that just spoke to his
• 1:12:05
  character that, oh, this person is just a kind, caring person.
• 1:12:11
  And oftentimes we'll see. Oh, I want him to be kind, but
• 1:12:17
  only to me. Oh yeah.
• 1:12:19
  He should treat everyone else like Doo Doo.
• 1:12:24
  It's like Doo Doo. So that's what I was just like,
• 1:12:29
  a kind person is a really good person.
• 1:12:33
  Even if they don't have, they will find a way to give.
• 1:12:38
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 1:12:40
  General thoughts. I like that you mentioned that
• 1:12:43
  he's not. He's kind of not a man of many
• 1:12:45
  words. He is quite literally a steel
• 1:12:49
  heart. That's what their nickname for
• 1:12:50
  him is, that he's the steel heart and he keeps a lot of
• 1:12:54
  stuff bottled up and locked away and you just never see it.
• 1:12:57
  But he is very much a caring, kind individual.
• 1:13:02
  As you said, Asun is the sun and he is in her orbit and that is
• 1:13:08
  all that he cares about. She is number 1.
• 1:13:12
  And I love that he made all these promises to her, which I
• 1:13:16
  can't even remember what they are, but basically that she's
• 1:13:18
  going to go to school, get a get a higher education, that she
• 1:13:23
  would be a published poet at some point, as I think what some
• 1:13:27
  of the promises were. I feel like there were three,
• 1:13:29
  but I only remember 2. And life happens, you know, they
• 1:13:35
  get pregnant very young, They marry when they're super duper
• 1:13:38
  young. She gets kicked out of school
• 1:13:40
  because of their little tryst that they do in the mainland.
• 1:13:44
  And they have all these fun shenanigans in this like sex
• 1:13:48
  motel that they stay at for one night that scams them and all of
• 1:13:51
  the stuff they have to start building life right away.
• 1:13:55
  And I dare you to find a family that hasn't had some version of
• 1:14:00
  this happen in their family history where it's like, well,
• 1:14:04
  we were really young. We didn't know what to do, but
• 1:14:06
  we just made it happen and we had to pivot.
• 1:14:08
  And even in my life, my mom is was always a working mom.
• 1:14:13
  And I asked her one day, like, did you always want to do what
• 1:14:16
  you were doing now? Did you always want to be in
• 1:14:17
  accounting? And she was like, no, I wanted
• 1:14:20
  to be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor was her
• 1:14:24
  dream. And I was like, what happened?
• 1:14:26
  She was like, well, I got buried.
• 1:14:27
  And then I got pregnant with you five years later.
• 1:14:28
  And I was like, oh, so very similar fashion where you just
• 1:14:34
  have to pivot. Life happens.
• 1:14:35
  And it's not that these dreams are unimportant, but they just
• 1:14:38
  manifest in different ways. Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  Completely agree. So I loved Quan Sheikh and how
• 1:14:44
  he was basically haunted by the fact that he could not give her
• 1:14:48
  what he promised her. She never got to go to school.
• 1:14:52
  And in the end, he's like, thank God that you're a published
• 1:14:56
  writer and you got to be the poet that we always knew you
• 1:15:01
  were. But she also got to be chief.
• 1:15:04
  Yes, the chief thing. Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 1:15:07
  And when he was campaigning for her, I was just like, oh, this
• 1:15:10
  man, he really pushed her or supported her in going for what
• 1:15:17
  she wanted and trying to make her happy and whatnot.
• 1:15:22
  I guess his purpose was her. And I absolutely loved when he
• 1:15:27
  would prioritize her in front of the kids and be like, don't give
• 1:15:31
  it to the kids you enjoy or don't do this with the kids.
• 1:15:35
  You go do it. He basically this patriarchal
• 1:15:40
  society is put on blast for the front half of the show,
• 1:15:44
  especially when Kwanchik makes all of these seemingly tiny
• 1:15:49
  decisions that place him closer to Aslan and farther away from
• 1:15:54
  his family, his blood relations, his mother, his grandmother.
• 1:16:00
  I wondered how you guys felt about that and how those
• 1:16:03
  decisions impacted your view of Quanchik.
• 1:16:06
  I loved it because my dad did the same.
• 1:16:12
  My dad like, pretty much moved out with my mom.
• 1:16:16
  And now when I asked my dad about it, he's just like, yeah,
• 1:16:20
  I had to do what I had to do to protect my family, to protect
• 1:16:24
  your mom. So that made sense to me 100%.
• 1:16:28
  And I didn't think too deeply about it.
• 1:16:32
  And then also trying to support her dreams.
• 1:16:36
  Like when I was born, my mom was in school.
• 1:16:38
  And that's why I have all these aunties and moms.
• 1:16:41
  She was doing a postgraduate degree at the time.
• 1:16:45
  And that's why I have all these secondary moms.
• 1:16:47
  And so I remember asking my dad, dad tell me the story of my
• 1:16:52
  birth and he's like, he starts talking about maybe 3 months
• 1:16:57
  into being on the side of the planet and then starts talking
• 1:17:00
  about all the other aunties and their role, whatever.
• 1:17:04
  Just because your mom wanted to go to school, I wanted to
• 1:17:08
  support your mom going to school.
• 1:17:10
  So I was just like, that is so sweet.
• 1:17:14
  I mean, go you. Lola, talk to me about Quintic.
• 1:17:18
  I like we mentioned earlier, I absolutely love Quan Shake.
• 1:17:21
  He was probably my favorite character of the drama and he's
• 1:17:24
  the one that I feel like I have the most notes about.
• 1:17:27
  One of the things that I did like or enjoy doing while
• 1:17:31
  watching the the drama was comparing him to the seasons
• 1:17:35
  because I felt like there were these moments where I mean, they
• 1:17:39
  do it themselves in the drama, to be honest.
• 1:17:41
  But I liked picking it apart a little bit more.
• 1:17:43
  Like the idea of him being her first love, Asan's first love,
• 1:17:47
  and that being spring. And in the end she describes as
• 1:17:50
  like he made her days everyday spring because of him.
• 1:17:54
  You know, So I love that idea of like he make spring possible, if
• 1:17:58
  that makes sense for her. So I love that.
• 1:18:01
  And then the idea of which? Spring.
• 1:18:02
  If we sit there for a second spring, spring, everything is in
• 1:18:06
  bloom. Everything is.
• 1:18:08
  Bright love is beautiful. Love is in the air.
• 1:18:11
  Things are growing. And even poetry, I feel like,
• 1:18:15
  and there's, and I feel like poetry too is a big part of the
• 1:18:18
  story. So I feel like even in spring,
• 1:18:19
  there's a lot. And he even says at the end when
• 1:18:21
  he's really sick and they're they're looking at the flowers
• 1:18:23
  blooming. He's like, this is a perfect
• 1:18:25
  time to write poetry. You know, beautiful.
• 1:18:28
  Yeah. So stop and look at the flowers.
• 1:18:30
  Look at the. Look at the.
• 1:18:30
  Flowers yeah, he wants to write poetry about that so I I feel
• 1:18:33
  like that is the spring moments for me and then summer.
• 1:18:37
  I think it's wonderful to to connect him to being a person
• 1:18:42
  who absorbs the heat for his family because in the summer,
• 1:18:46
  it's when their baby dies. And I feel like that was such a
• 1:18:50
  horrible, horrific moment for them.
• 1:18:52
  But he really did take a lot of that heat because he blamed
• 1:18:56
  himself a lot about, you know, as being the reason why they
• 1:18:59
  lost her son. So I feel like that was a moment
• 1:19:02
  there when I was like, OK, he can.
• 1:19:03
  He'll take the heat for his family, which we would want all,
• 1:19:07
  you know, any good man to do for his family.
• 1:19:10
  Yeah. And then like in winter, I
• 1:19:12
  really thought about, well, let me say fall, Fall I would say
• 1:19:15
  just being the breadwinner, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:17
  I kind of think of fall as like harvest and him being big on
• 1:19:20
  catching fish, like he's a fisherman, you know, bringing in
• 1:19:23
  the catch. You know, that kind of made me
• 1:19:25
  think about the idea of always bringing the harvest for his
• 1:19:27
  family. And then winter, obviously for
• 1:19:29
  me was when he got sick and how that was really a cold time for
• 1:19:34
  obviously him, but his family as well, because soon but
• 1:19:37
  definitely his children. I feel like really were I fought
• 1:19:42
  with them about how they treated their father.
• 1:19:45
  Oh my goodness, they they would they got to me at times, But I
• 1:19:49
  really feel like in that time they really had a moment of
• 1:19:51
  like, wait a minute, He was one of the best of the best.
• 1:19:55
  Even the moment with a soon not as soon when I keep forgetting
• 1:19:58
  the daughter's name. Yes, which they're on the boat
• 1:20:01
  When? After she has the big breakup
• 1:20:03
  from her. Oh my God.
• 1:20:04
  Fiance and they go on that boat with he takes he wakes up early
• 1:20:08
  in the morning brings her on the boat with him and she's like you
• 1:20:11
  do this all the time like I can't believe you wake up this
• 1:20:13
  early like what are you doing? Don't you ever want to sleep in?
• 1:20:16
  And he's like, yeah, of course, who doesn't want to sleep in?
• 1:20:19
  But he's like, but I think that what gets me up in the morning
• 1:20:22
  is like, oh, if I get up early, that made me that my family gets
• 1:20:26
  to sleep in a little bit longer. So that's what gets me up in the
• 1:20:29
  morning. And then like she's looking at
• 1:20:31
  him like he is her actual son. And that would make me realize
• 1:20:34
  like he is their son in a way, like.
• 1:20:37
  You're incidentally touching on the most beautiful shot of the.
• 1:20:40
  Most beautiful shot that we got. Rice.
• 1:20:42
  Yeah, the sunrise scene. So I just really loved his
• 1:20:45
  character and I loved how he embodied, I feel like one of the
• 1:20:51
  biggest motifs of the entire drama, which was the seasons
• 1:20:54
  changing, the seasons going, seasons moving and and being a
• 1:20:57
  constant. Like the seasons, seasons are
• 1:21:00
  always going to come and go. And he was like that.
• 1:21:02
  Like he was a constant until he wasn't.
• 1:21:05
  Get out I'm. Sorry.
• 1:21:08
  I forgot to say this in the non spoiler section but fuck this
• 1:21:11
  show. What the fuck?
• 1:21:14
  Because this ending really shook me up and it shook the tree, you
• 1:21:21
  know what I'm saying? Shook the tangerine tree.
• 1:21:24
  Yes, it did. I really thought he was going to
• 1:21:26
  die earlier. I don't.
• 1:21:28
  I got spoiled. That's why I really stopped this
• 1:21:30
  drama a year. I heard he was going to die, he
• 1:21:33
  got sick, he was going to get sick and die.
• 1:21:35
  And I said, you know what, I'm good.
• 1:21:36
  I'm checking out we. Don't need to finish this we.
• 1:21:38
  Don't need to finish this. So watching it again, knowing
• 1:21:41
  the ending, that was horrific for me.
• 1:21:44
  It was so bad. Like how they were treating him.
• 1:21:46
  That's why I guess when I was like the his children, the way
• 1:21:48
  that they were treating him, I was just like, guys, he's not
• 1:21:51
  going to be here with you guys for much longer.
• 1:21:53
  Get it together. Yeah, Yeah, it was hard.
• 1:21:56
  I was pretty mean as a teenager. I will say I'm not anymore.
• 1:22:03
  I think that despite some of my resting bitch face, RBFI am the
• 1:22:09
  nice sister. OK?
• 1:22:10
  Like, my sister is definitely the mean sister and I am the
• 1:22:13
  nice sister, but the way that I treat my parents now is
• 1:22:19
  infinitely different than how I treated them 20 years ago.
• 1:22:22
  Yeah, I think that's tough. To put a mirror up to your
• 1:22:27
  antics when you're younger and you don't care is tough, I
• 1:22:32
  think, for many people to see how you've undervalued and
• 1:22:36
  underappreciated your parents, who have had a way tougher life
• 1:22:40
  than you have. It's really hard to think back
• 1:22:45
  to all the times that the daughter was mean to the death,
• 1:22:48
  just seemingly so cruel to him, impatient with him, whining and
• 1:22:56
  bratty. And the moment that he goes to
• 1:22:59
  wake her up early, I'm like, Oh my God, I've totally done this
• 1:23:02
  before. I'm like, oh, what is it?
• 1:23:04
  Leave me alone. It's early.
• 1:23:07
  And I remember in the show she said she was tired.
• 1:23:09
  And part of what? She was, she said that she was
• 1:23:12
  able to sleep well for the first time in a long time.
• 1:23:15
  I think. Yeah, she was.
• 1:23:17
  I mean, she was just heartbroken.
• 1:23:18
  I think that was the only that's.
• 1:23:19
  The thing is that she was depressed after her, she was
• 1:23:21
  depressed breakup. But what have you been doing all
• 1:23:23
  day? Eating nothing.
• 1:23:26
  She was eating constantly. Yes, she was.
• 1:23:29
  So it was, it was real tough for me to swallow that pill of I've
• 1:23:33
  done that, but also why have we all been like that?
• 1:23:38
  He is such a key factor in stitching her back together.
• 1:23:44
  Like even the the wedding. The wedding.
• 1:23:47
  Get out bro. The wedding, Oh my gosh, the way
• 1:23:50
  he cried, the way he cried, Oh my gosh, Carol, I was, I was, I
• 1:23:55
  was boohooing like him. No seriously, it was so bad I
• 1:24:01
  was the same. Way so funny.
• 1:24:02
  I was like, as soon I was like, stop.
• 1:24:04
  Crying. That's Carol.
• 1:24:08
  What I like is that she she hated crying at weddings.
• 1:24:12
  She wanted to play it cool. She was trying to get fresh with
• 1:24:15
  it and be above the emotions of her wedding day.
• 1:24:17
  And the dad was like, if you want to turn back right now,
• 1:24:21
  I'll take we can leave right now.
• 1:24:23
  Are you sure? And, you know, double and triple
• 1:24:25
  checking just like a dad. And she has this whole narration
• 1:24:30
  of, like, her whole life. He was there with a net to catch
• 1:24:34
  her if she falls from this tightrope.
• 1:24:36
  And he was the backup plan, looking out for her, supporting
• 1:24:39
  her all her life. And she just starts to ball
• 1:24:42
  balls all the way down the aisle.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah, I lost it. The moment I lost it was when
• 1:24:48
  This is so freaking rude. They show his perspective and he
• 1:24:53
  sees a little girl walking. Down with the wedding dress thug
• 1:24:58
  off. Walking down with the wedding
• 1:25:00
  dress, all of the stages of her life is what he still sees her
• 1:25:04
  as, this little girl. And then she throws this singer
• 1:25:09
  in here at the end of episode 13.
• 1:25:11
  The narration is the day before my dad passed.
• 1:25:16
  The day before my dad. I told him, Dad, I'm sorry, I'm
• 1:25:19
  sorry. I must have said it 100 times
• 1:25:21
  over. That's when Dad told me there's
• 1:25:22
  nothing to be sorry about. From the day you were born, I
• 1:25:25
  was already in heaven. Yep, Yep, Yep, I have that
• 1:25:30
  written down. There on this show beautiful Toy
• 1:25:34
  Story 3 in it. Do you guys have other things
• 1:25:37
  you want to add for the dad? We can talk about episode 16 if
• 1:25:40
  you want. Do we?
• 1:25:43
  Do we talk about? Do we want to?
• 1:25:44
  I guess we could talk first about his relationship with the
• 1:25:47
  son and I guess both a son's relationship with the son and
• 1:25:52
  his relationship with his son and how he sold his boat to bail
• 1:25:58
  the son out of jail. And how the son didn't feel like
• 1:26:02
  he was loved as much as Gum young.
• 1:26:06
  To me though, it did feel like they love their first born more
• 1:26:09
  than. Yeah, no, to be absolutely for
• 1:26:12
  real. They played favorites and the
• 1:26:14
  favorite child was the daughter Kumiyong.
• 1:26:17
  Yeah, I also really have to say it was to me a standard case of
• 1:26:23
  middle child syndrome. He's technically was their
• 1:26:25
  middle child. So I feel like that's where this
• 1:26:27
  really came from, they as a middle child.
• 1:26:30
  I'm always very, very, you know, keen on how they treat middle
• 1:26:34
  children and stories. And I was like, This is why he's
• 1:26:37
  getting treated this way. He's the one that he's the
• 1:26:40
  middle child. So yeah, he definitely was not
• 1:26:43
  their favorite. I mean, I don't say he wasn't
• 1:26:45
  their favorite, but they leaned a little bit more towards young
• 1:26:49
  and she took the heat for that. She said it herself.
• 1:26:53
  She's like, I have to be the perfect, you know, I have to do
• 1:26:56
  everything for everybody. I I'm the eldest daughter.
• 1:26:59
  So she took the heat from it. But I definitely feel like they
• 1:27:02
  lean a little bit more towards her for sure.
• 1:27:04
  So he he had a leg to stand on. I think he.
• 1:27:06
  Had Wow to stand on. Do you know what?
• 1:27:08
  I have a totally different perspective.
• 1:27:10
  I have very little sympathy for the brother and I'm an eldest
• 1:27:13
  child. That's why.
• 1:27:14
  That's why. That's why because you're the
• 1:27:17
  eldest. As a middle child, he had a.
• 1:27:18
  Leg, I'm like dead up. Stop whining.
• 1:27:21
  No. He was, he was ignored.
• 1:27:23
  He was no one even cared about him.
• 1:27:25
  He would get leftovers like they were too busy worried about
• 1:27:30
  their golden eldest child and mourning the death of their
• 1:27:33
  youngest. Like he was just there in the
• 1:27:36
  middle. Like it makes sense.
• 1:27:38
  I I think he had a leg. Oh wow, so you are very
• 1:27:41
  sympathetic toward this. I mean, he may be so angry a lot
• 1:27:45
  that like don't, don't let me. No, I just kind of mean in the
• 1:27:48
  the way that he was resentful toward them for these
• 1:27:53
  infractions that just piled up throughout his life.
• 1:27:56
  I do. I do think he had right.
• 1:27:57
  That's why I really loved the scene when he you know, after
• 1:28:00
  they they think they've lost him cuz he he he gets on a boat like
• 1:28:04
  he. Gets on a deep sea fishing boat
• 1:28:06
  and they just go over the deep end like they go over the.
• 1:28:08
  Family, they lose it, but when she, you know, when Asan, you
• 1:28:11
  know, finds him and she's like, you know, mad at him, but then
• 1:28:14
  she also starts apologizing. I really felt that I'm going to
• 1:28:18
  be honest again, like the mother just admitting like, I get it.
• 1:28:21
  It's my fault. I was the one that was giving
• 1:28:22
  you leftovers. I was the one that basically
• 1:28:25
  ignored you. Like, I get it and I really
• 1:28:27
  appreciated that apology. So I.
• 1:28:30
  Wow, I. Did.
• 1:28:31
  And it's not the first time she apologized to him.
• 1:28:34
  Because when the baby brother dies and the kid is like, I'm
• 1:28:38
  not talking to you because you're angry.
• 1:28:41
  And because I left my baby brother and that's when she sort
• 1:28:45
  of comes to and she's like, Oh my God, I can't put this burden
• 1:28:50
  on my kid. And she starts apologizing to
• 1:28:53
  him. But I do think that their first
• 1:28:57
  was so precious golden child. Precious.
• 1:29:01
  They say it all the time, how precious she is.
• 1:29:04
  Precious to them, so they couldn't.
• 1:29:07
  Like, I don't know. As much as they wanted it to be
• 1:29:11
  equitable, it just wasn't. It was not equitable.
• 1:29:15
  And this is tough for me to understand because my family, at
• 1:29:19
  least me and my sister, there are no favorites that my parents
• 1:29:22
  don't have a favorite between us.
• 1:29:23
  But my father was the favorite child from the grandparents that
• 1:29:29
  I've been referring to, you know, that was their favorite
• 1:29:33
  child. And so I grew up with my
• 1:29:34
  grandparents and I just the way that they treated him was
• 1:29:37
  different. The way that they valued his
• 1:29:38
  opinion was different. And I mean, in that respect, I'm
• 1:29:42
  like, what gifts? What is that?
• 1:29:45
  Because I wasn't raised like that in our household.
• 1:29:49
  They got good advice, you know Asen was there with the aunties
• 1:29:53
  all day long the genios and they 1 specifically told her in an
• 1:29:58
  early episode do not play favorites with your children.
• 1:30:02
  They will remember it and hold. It against you they will.
• 1:30:07
  And I'm like bitch, wake up, fix this now.
• 1:30:12
  Yeah, but I think also the the her being a favorite was easy
• 1:30:16
  too, because the the family itself is quite matriarchal.
• 1:30:20
  Like they really do favor like Ason runs the she wears the
• 1:30:24
  pants. Like she, whatever she needs,
• 1:30:26
  whatever she wants, you know it's going to take place because
• 1:30:29
  that's how you know. That's how my grandmother.
• 1:30:32
  Was so, I mean, I definitely think that was easy for them to
• 1:30:35
  favor the daughter. I think that was going to happen
• 1:30:38
  no matter what. I think it was because, and also
• 1:30:40
  she was the splitting image of ASON.
• 1:30:43
  She was ASON. She was IU again.
• 1:30:45
  You know I mean Part 2. Part 2.
• 1:30:48
  So I feel like, I think she was just.
• 1:30:50
  And she also studied English. Her mother wanted to be a writer
• 1:30:54
  the whole time. I feel like she was putting a
• 1:30:55
  lot on her daughter to be her, lived in the world.
• 1:31:00
  And it was. Yeah, it was.
• 1:31:03
  Absolutely put They put all of their hopes and dreams on the
• 1:31:06
  daughter Kumyong and they didn't put any expectations or any
• 1:31:11
  responsibility on the middle child, the little brother.
• 1:31:15
  And she in that moment when the Henyo auntie is like, you can't
• 1:31:20
  play favourites with your children babe.
• 1:31:22
  Her rebuttal to that is well, if only he was better.
• 1:31:27
  If only he didn't do all the shit.
• 1:31:29
  If only he wasn't stealing the the.
• 1:31:32
  Little. What are they?
• 1:31:33
  Off the cars, off the cars, Like the name plates off the cars and
• 1:31:38
  stuff like that. And selling them to kids at
• 1:31:40
  school. Like if only he wasn't so
• 1:31:42
  delinquent in every way I wouldn't have to be on his ass
• 1:31:46
  so. Much.
• 1:31:46
  Yeah, but he was worried about money.
• 1:31:48
  That was one of his big. He was hustling.
• 1:31:50
  Well, he was hustling and and even when they get he got older,
• 1:31:53
  obviously that was still a big thing because that was a lot of
• 1:31:55
  his contention with his father was like, hey, you, you know,
• 1:31:59
  you never had enough. You just never had enough for
• 1:32:01
  us. And so, of course, you know, I
• 1:32:04
  felt the pressure to make money. It was from when he was young, I
• 1:32:07
  feel like. So I do.
• 1:32:09
  Feel like, yeah, he was always trying to take shortcuts.
• 1:32:11
  He was always trying to get rich quick.
• 1:32:13
  And The thing is, that's not really how that works.
• 1:32:17
  No. Like, sorry to say that kind of,
• 1:32:19
  I think what he wanted was wealth.
• 1:32:22
  Yes. What he hoped for and dreamed
• 1:32:24
  for for the family was wealth. Yeah.
• 1:32:27
  And wealth is measured in different ways, and you can see
• 1:32:32
  that when you juxtapose their family with the other family,
• 1:32:36
  you're talking about your favorite, your other favorite.
• 1:32:38
  Character Sangil? Yeah.
• 1:32:41
  The other crabby, shitty Captain Pusangil, his family is so
• 1:32:49
  unhealthy and despite having money, they did not have the
• 1:32:54
  same relational wealth and love that Asun's family had that
• 1:33:00
  Kwangchik fostered in their home.
• 1:33:03
  The brother, the little brother, did not see that.
• 1:33:06
  No, he didn't see all the ways that they were rich.
• 1:33:08
  At all. And a son, a son did because she
• 1:33:11
  would constantly say everyone is jealous of me and the man that
• 1:33:17
  you are from me. But the kid, you barely see that
• 1:33:22
  with him until pretty much episode 16.
• 1:33:27
  Yeah, right. It took him a while to come
• 1:33:30
  around, but then like the I the rich moment also came up on the
• 1:33:34
  boat. Cuz I didn't, I think Kwang Shik
• 1:33:36
  was apologizing to his daughter at the time about how he's like
• 1:33:40
  just sorry that she was born into their family basically.
• 1:33:44
  And she was like, you know, whatever.
• 1:33:46
  Absolutely not. Like, if I was, you know, born
• 1:33:48
  again, she said something about, like, I would choose you again.
• 1:33:51
  Yeah. And I think you are the richest,
• 1:33:53
  you know? And he holds on to that.
• 1:33:55
  Like, she said that I am rich, even though monetarily that has
• 1:33:59
  never been the case. But she does say that.
• 1:34:02
  I think she would say that when he brings it up to her again and
• 1:34:05
  towards the end. And she's like, I didn't really
• 1:34:06
  mean that. Like, try to, like, pull it
• 1:34:09
  back. And I was like, no, no, it's out
• 1:34:11
  there. You said it.
• 1:34:13
  I think the little brother, just to wrap up his story, super,
• 1:34:18
  super annoying. He made wrong choice after wrong
• 1:34:20
  choice. But when he hits rock bottom and
• 1:34:23
  his dad has to sell the boat, Kwanchik has to sell his beloved
• 1:34:26
  boat. It's a part of him, his
• 1:34:28
  identity. He starts selling acorn Jelly
• 1:34:31
  and sticky rice cakes out on the street at night and everybody is
• 1:34:36
  like giving him the same advice. First of all, buying his
• 1:34:41
  product. That was great that I actually
• 1:34:44
  loved that part. And everyone's like you.
• 1:34:45
  You need to take better care of your dad.
• 1:34:47
  Hey, treat your dad nice. Yeah, what caught me from that
• 1:34:51
  moment is like I it only hit me in hindsight.
• 1:34:53
  That and I guess the drama also doesn't show it until the the
• 1:34:57
  end of that moment that it was Quang Shik who's giving the
• 1:35:00
  money to the neighbors. He told the he told the other
• 1:35:05
  grandfather, yes, the in law the asshole.
• 1:35:09
  Yeah, yes, he told that guy, hey, why don't you pay off the
• 1:35:13
  entire neighborhood to buy your son-in-law, my son's sticky rice
• 1:35:17
  cakes or acorn Jelly or whatever it was because he's struggling.
• 1:35:22
  Like you're going to regret it if you don't help them out.
• 1:35:25
  But he wants them to work. He's like, I want you to work,
• 1:35:28
  but I also am not really, you know, But I'm still feeding into
• 1:35:31
  it in a way. I was like, I love going chick.
• 1:35:33
  He does. He's just the best.
• 1:35:35
  Yeah, he's the best. Such a sweetie.
• 1:35:37
  So episode 16 rolls around and they pull the rug out from
• 1:35:40
  everybody because he is struggling and not with
• 1:35:43
  rheumatoid arthritis and little aches and pains.
• 1:35:47
  He has multiple myeloma which is a cancer of the plasma cells and
• 1:35:52
  the line. 24 sessions of chemotherapy melted the steel
• 1:35:56
  heart. Tears, tears.
• 1:36:01
  The line Dad was like the sea. We all relied on him to live.
• 1:36:04
  Tears, tears. When he finally passes the line
• 1:36:09
  Dad slept in for the first time. First time I was like, wrap it
• 1:36:13
  up, wrap it up. We are stressed just thinking
• 1:36:18
  about this final episode. He had saved every penny that
• 1:36:23
  the daughter Kumyong had sent them over the years.
• 1:36:26
  She had sent, she said, CN¥100,000, which is I guess a
• 1:36:30
  little less than 100 bucks every month to them.
• 1:36:32
  Ever since she started working. He never spent any of it, put it
• 1:36:36
  all in a savings account and she got it back after he passed.
• 1:36:38
  Are you fucking kidding me? See that's the moment that got
• 1:36:43
  me. Everything before I was like, oh
• 1:36:47
  I've been, I thought you would die in like 5 episodes ago.
• 1:36:52
  I was waiting for it to happen. And so when it did I was like
• 1:36:55
  OK, finally it has happened. But the money thing?
• 1:37:00
  No. Yeah.
• 1:37:03
  Damn, it got me. You know, what got me was we
• 1:37:06
  mentioned Yum Heron before and how we wanted more of her.
• 1:37:10
  She circles back in the final episode.
• 1:37:12
  She is the publishing editor who's reviewing the manuscript
• 1:37:18
  when that reveal happened. And you can see they show all of
• 1:37:22
  this, these family photos and experiences that she's had in
• 1:37:26
  her life that inform who she might be.
• 1:37:30
  They couple it with all of these flashbacks of our female lead
• 1:37:34
  with the mom. Those few episodes that we had
• 1:37:37
  are at the beginning. And they show that it's her.
• 1:37:40
  And I lost it. I lost it that she got the
• 1:37:46
  second life where everything happened for her.
• 1:37:49
  You know, she got that education.
• 1:37:51
  She wasn't a hanging. She's not working in the sea in
• 1:37:53
  this hazardous job. Yeah.
• 1:37:57
  And she's got a desk job. You know what?
• 1:37:59
  Yeah, I agree. And the other thing that hit me
• 1:38:03
  was just how silently the Henyos just disappeared.
• 1:38:11
  Do we want to talk about like the village takes a village to
• 1:38:14
  raise a child aspect of the show and the aunties?
• 1:38:16
  Yeah, yeah. I really appreciated seeing
• 1:38:20
  that. And it was sort of when you look
• 1:38:22
  at a son, when you look at her and giving birth to Gum young
• 1:38:27
  and giving birth to her kids. She really had a village taking
• 1:38:32
  care of the kids alongside her. And there was a scene where she
• 1:38:37
  didn't have rice and this old neighbor couple would come, put
• 1:38:41
  rice in their kitchen for them and every morning.
• 1:38:46
  And then they're at the wedding for the daughter, Kum Young and
• 1:38:49
  I Girl, this whole show got me toe up.
• 1:38:52
  All right, keep going. So just that aspect and contrast
• 1:38:58
  that with when Gum Young has her daughter and she only has her
• 1:39:03
  mom to come and help her out, that made me feel like, oh,
• 1:39:08
  we're losing recipes. Yeah.
• 1:39:12
  We're losing recipes because when mom comes to the house and
• 1:39:17
  her granddaughter is on the floor screaming and yelling, the
• 1:39:20
  food is spilled on the floor and Gum Young is having a meltdown.
• 1:39:26
  I was just like, if you had your aunties, if you had your
• 1:39:30
  village, maybe you would not have been feeding this kid, You
• 1:39:34
  wouldn't have this. There's sort of this loneliness
• 1:39:38
  that comes with not having the community around you when you
• 1:39:42
  have a kid. So I appreciate the aunties.
• 1:39:46
  I appreciated how they kept the mom alive by constantly talking
• 1:39:53
  about her and look at her daughter and and ISN's mom.
• 1:39:58
  Look at her. By now your mom would be saying
• 1:40:00
  this or your mom would be doing this or I think that really
• 1:40:04
  helped ISN. Not intentionally close off the
• 1:40:09
  memory of her mom so she was always able to talk about her
• 1:40:14
  because she was very much alive to everyone else.
• 1:40:19
  I appreciated that. I also loved that I loved all of
• 1:40:24
  that. The the one thing like going
• 1:40:26
  back to you, you mentioned in Carol the scene with the you
• 1:40:30
  know, the the neighbors, the elderly couple were giving the
• 1:40:33
  family. They were the landlords.
• 1:40:34
  Yeah, they were landlords, Yeah. Giving the, you know, giving
• 1:40:36
  just the right amount of rice. So she wasn't good like, so she
• 1:40:39
  didn't think she was like, wait, did I see that fishes?
• 1:40:42
  So they're suspicious. I love that fish in.
• 1:40:43
  Low situation here. My, but my favorite quote I
• 1:40:48
  think actually comes from that moment that's that couple when I
• 1:40:53
  think he says something about let me find it, he said.
• 1:40:55
  Like have you ever seen a woman diver or hanyo diving on her own
• 1:41:01
  and he's like when you're struggling to breathe in the
• 1:41:03
  dark waters, need to stay close to others to survive or fear
• 1:41:07
  will grip your heart and you won't make it.
• 1:41:10
  No one can live on their own. Go together with others.
• 1:41:14
  And I just think that permeated throughout the entire drama that
• 1:41:18
  concepts of needing others go with go together with others.
• 1:41:22
  Because even this, I keep going back to my favorite scene, which
• 1:41:24
  is the boat scene, obviously with the with Gong shake.
• 1:41:27
  But like, he says the simplest thing about and she's like,
• 1:41:29
  aren't you afraid of being on the boat at night?
• 1:41:31
  You know, I mean, not night. Well, you know, really in the
• 1:41:33
  dark. And he's like, of course it's
• 1:41:35
  scary, you know? But he's like, I see the lights
• 1:41:38
  of the other boats in the water and knowing that they're out
• 1:41:41
  there kind of just as lonely as I am makes me feel like that's a
• 1:41:45
  word, you know, it's a real word.
• 1:41:47
  Like I, I. Don't do life alone.
• 1:41:48
  Lately don't do life alone like people need people like that's a
• 1:41:52
  real thing and I and I think that's what the village is like.
• 1:41:55
  It takes the village, the you know, the family and, and I
• 1:41:58
  definitely and even like they stayed in the drama.
• 1:42:00
  I think they say take a village to raise a child and a village
• 1:42:03
  to save a life. I think that's what they say cuz
• 1:42:05
  she felt like they the village saved her life after her son had
• 1:42:08
  passed. Yeah, Oh my God.
• 1:42:10
  You know, let's talk about that for a second.
• 1:42:13
  I was going to say really quickly, Speaking of the middle
• 1:42:15
  child at that scene when they were, it was some flashback when
• 1:42:19
  after her son had passed and she doesn't realize she had like
• 1:42:23
  this aha moment that she's been like living and like a zombie.
• 1:42:28
  And then she realizes that her son, our middle child, is like
• 1:42:32
  eating. And she's like, where is he?
• 1:42:34
  Where is he getting food from? She's like looking around.
• 1:42:36
  Yeah, she's like, I didn't do that.
• 1:42:37
  And then she goes over into like her little, I guess little
• 1:42:40
  cupboard kitchen area. And there's just like food left
• 1:42:44
  up where from all the village. And I just thought that was also
• 1:42:48
  stand out moment for her, like, hey, it takes a village.
• 1:42:51
  It takes, yeah. I I lost it again at the exact
• 1:42:54
  moment that you're referring to when she goes in the kitchen on
• 1:42:56
  her last day of catatonic depression and her kids were
• 1:43:01
  fed. There was overflowing food and
• 1:43:02
  fish, even canola flowers in the outdoor pantry.
• 1:43:06
  And it's just this abundance from this the village who made
• 1:43:10
  sure that her kids never went hungry.
• 1:43:12
  And she never forgot that kindness that everybody stepped
• 1:43:16
  up when she needed that time to grieve as a mother.
• 1:43:19
  And there was a lot about that episode that made me cry.
• 1:43:22
  I mean, the little boy drowning and dying really didn't see that
• 1:43:27
  coming. Whoa, yeah, talk about reason to
• 1:43:30
  stop a drama for a year. Yeah.
• 1:43:32
  Literally. Literally.
• 1:43:35
  I did see that coming because when he said hug me, no.
• 1:43:39
  First off, when he dropped the candy, I was like, oh,
• 1:43:43
  something's bad. That's that omen.
• 1:43:45
  It's an omen. Yeah, it's an old school omen.
• 1:43:49
  I thought Crunchy was going to die because it was a storm.
• 1:43:54
  So I was like oh Crunchy is going to die.
• 1:43:55
  And then when he said hug me and she pushes him aside because Gum
• 1:44:01
  Young might have had an accident.
• 1:44:04
  I was like oh watch this kid get missing.
• 1:44:07
  She starts running. She tells the drunk.
• 1:44:09
  I don't know if she was drunk, but.
• 1:44:11
  I think she was at least napping, yeah.
• 1:44:15
  Take care of my kids and and she runs off.
• 1:44:18
  I'm like, you're gonna lose one of these kids.
• 1:44:21
  And I suspect that it would be the little one because that
• 1:44:25
  moment of hug me and you did not deliver it.
• 1:44:29
  The regret. The regret is gonna eat you up
• 1:44:32
  so. But I loved how she would always
• 1:44:35
  put a bowl of food and candy for him.
• 1:44:38
  Yeah, the bowl of peas with rice and the dish of candies for the
• 1:44:41
  bowl. I love that.
• 1:44:44
  I love that. I also loved and this is just
• 1:44:47
  something they did throughout the drama as far as like like
• 1:44:49
  playing with time and stuff. This.
• 1:44:51
  I love the dream sequences or the the kind of sequences of
• 1:44:55
  seeing someone from the past that's not really their kind of
• 1:44:58
  moments like. I thought these were well done
• 1:45:00
  too. Well done, very well done.
• 1:45:01
  And I think as soon one that really got me was when she sees
• 1:45:05
  her mother again after they just when they decide to move house
• 1:45:09
  and she's like saying goodbye to this house that, you know, her
• 1:45:11
  mother was in her, she lost her child in.
• 1:45:13
  And she's like, Oh my gosh, this is a big moment.
• 1:45:16
  And she has this stream where she sees her mom in there and in
• 1:45:19
  the next room and she's sitting and talking to her mom.
• 1:45:21
  Like I don't sequences in any time.
• 1:45:24
  I watch them usually. And dramas like always get me
• 1:45:26
  when someone's like talking to someone who has passed already
• 1:45:28
  and they're like having a conversation with them, like
• 1:45:30
  they're there. It breaks me down completely.
• 1:45:34
  And I think there was this moment with her mom.
• 1:45:36
  It's like telling her or asking her like, why don't you ever
• 1:45:39
  talk about your your son? Like, why don't you, why don't
• 1:45:42
  you talk to Guang Shiken? Why don't you guys actually
• 1:45:44
  discuss like the pain that you're both obviously feeling?
• 1:45:46
  And she's like, I can't do it. She just tells you like, I
• 1:45:49
  cannot do it. I can't imagine like opening
• 1:45:52
  that up because that's how I keep going.
• 1:45:54
  She's like me ignoring it, me basically forgetting it is how
• 1:45:58
  I'm able to keep existing every day.
• 1:46:00
  And it was just heartbreaking. And her like showing this image
• 1:46:03
  of like her mom looking at her with this pity of like I, my
• 1:46:06
  daughter is in pain really hurt me.
• 1:46:10
  Like watching the mothers see their daughters in pain was one
• 1:46:13
  of the hardest, hardest moments for me for sure.
• 1:46:16
  Do you remember when as soon as mom runs after her because of
• 1:46:22
  that child trafficking? Yes.
• 1:46:24
  Girl, yeah. Yes, the mother's In Sync.
• 1:46:28
  Oh my gosh, I. I mean, this whole show is a
• 1:46:32
  love letter to mothers specifically, even even though
• 1:46:38
  their fathers, even though Kwang Shik is such a stellar, amazing
• 1:46:41
  grief like that. The Mothers and the mothers
• 1:46:45
  mothers is really the heart and soul of the show from episode 1.
• 1:46:52
  And I think they did an amazing job of showing just to wrap up
• 1:46:57
  the conversation we were just having of showing grief and the
• 1:47:01
  pain of losing a child. And I cannot say that I have any
• 1:47:06
  children or have lost any children, thankfully.
• 1:47:08
  But I remember what my grandmother sounded like when we
• 1:47:11
  told her that my aunt, her daughter had passed away.
• 1:47:15
  I've never heard a sound like that before.
• 1:47:18
  And so to see Asin going through these stages of grief and
• 1:47:25
  saying, Oh, my, you know, he's cold while she's holding his
• 1:47:28
  body. I remember taking my grandmother
• 1:47:31
  to see my aunt's body in the Hospice and her saying she's
• 1:47:36
  cold. And it was very guttural and raw
• 1:47:41
  in a way that I related to, unfortunately, in my own life.
• 1:47:46
  And I wonder if there's any parents listening who can even
• 1:47:52
  share their story, let alone be reminded of that pain.
• 1:47:57
  Watching when life gives you Tangerines and this is
• 1:48:01
  heartbreaking to say the least. Yeah.
• 1:48:04
  And yeah. And there's also something to
• 1:48:06
  the the character, I mean, a son's grandmother, her father's
• 1:48:12
  mother and their connection because she lost that her son.
• 1:48:16
  Yes. That was also really beautiful
• 1:48:18
  to me because like her mom and that moment, like I was just on
• 1:48:21
  the dream sequence of her, you know, her mom being like, you
• 1:48:24
  need to basically open the wound and address the, the pain and
• 1:48:28
  she's like, I can't do it. But then that scene when she she
• 1:48:31
  visits her grandmother and her grandmother only remembers her.
• 1:48:35
  Like she doesn't remember everybody else, but she
• 1:48:36
  remembers that she's her son's daughter.
• 1:48:39
  It's funny like that. Yes.
• 1:48:40
  And then she she breaks. She tells her like I know.
• 1:48:43
  I know how. You, I know, you feel she's
• 1:48:45
  like, I know exactly. How she didn't even say what it
• 1:48:48
  was. She didn't say what it was.
• 1:48:50
  She just said. I know how you feel.
• 1:48:52
  She's like not being able to say it.
• 1:48:54
  And I was like, say what? You know this like say their
• 1:48:56
  name, names of their dead children basically.
• 1:48:58
  And so then when she hears her say that, she breaks down and
• 1:49:01
  cries in her lap and she looks like a little girl.
• 1:49:04
  And it just was so back to mothers on mothers on mothers.
• 1:49:08
  Like I just, I broke down. I broke down.
• 1:49:13
  When you said the name, I remembered when Crunchy cut to
• 1:49:16
  write his son's name. Stop it, Carol.
• 1:49:20
  For the death certificate. I don't.
• 1:49:22
  And he was on his knees, on his knees in this public place, just
• 1:49:28
  bawling. I wow, I hated it.
• 1:49:32
  I hated it. I hate it so much.
• 1:49:34
  I hate it. The avoidant nature of their
• 1:49:37
  grief and how they never talked about their son in the last 20
• 1:49:42
  years was absolutely buck wild to me.
• 1:49:45
  But they do round it out because they go visit the grave.
• 1:49:48
  Grave together. I'm getting emotional again
• 1:49:52
  because that was so beautiful and he's.
• 1:49:54
  Sitting there playing with toys on the ground?
• 1:49:57
  Come on. I hate it, I hate it.
• 1:49:59
  And then it also got me because this is right before we start,
• 1:50:03
  we find out about him being sick, being Guangxik being sick.
• 1:50:07
  And so he's she asked him like, oh, she said something about
• 1:50:11
  like, oh, but you know, we're going to get to see him again
• 1:50:13
  soon at some point, you know, like as in them passing on to
• 1:50:16
  see him in heaven. And he's like, oh, I don't want
• 1:50:18
  to see him when I die because I was just I was like, this is
• 1:50:22
  disgusting. He was like, I don't want to
• 1:50:24
  disgusting. I don't want to see him when I
• 1:50:26
  die because I, you know, basically like feeling guilty.
• 1:50:29
  The fact that his son was alone this whole time, probably
• 1:50:32
  missing his parents. And he's like, I don't I feel
• 1:50:34
  guilty seeing him at this point, even after I die.
• 1:50:38
  And then next, you know, he's dying in the next couple
• 1:50:40
  episodes. I can't this is great.
• 1:50:41
  This is just. I literally cannot.
• 1:50:46
  I loved when he saw kids who would be about the same age as
• 1:50:51
  his son. I forgot about that.
• 1:50:55
  I think I blocked that out intentionally.
• 1:50:58
  Like he was really working through his grief in his own
• 1:51:02
  way. And.
• 1:51:03
  While Asin was very much like, I can't even look at kids who are
• 1:51:08
  the same age as my son at the time that was.
• 1:51:13
  That was good. I'm definitely choking up.
• 1:51:15
  Yeah, I forgot all about that. I'd like to bring my score to a
• 1:51:20
  four. Just a little bit, right?
• 1:51:25
  Now that we're embedded. Yeah, when you feel that much,
• 1:51:28
  you can't help. You can't take take it away from
• 1:51:31
  the drama like it makes you feel that much.
• 1:51:34
  I got to give you some points. I got to give you some points.
• 1:51:37
  Beautiful. So there's a lot on mothers in
• 1:51:40
  this. They're flawed, right?
• 1:51:42
  All of these mothers are not perfect, but they get something
• 1:51:45
  right because the kids turn out okay.
• 1:51:48
  Yeah, they get something right. You know what's funny?
• 1:51:51
  When each whether it was the grandmother, the mother, as soon
• 1:51:56
  each generation is looking at them deal with the same
• 1:52:01
  challenges they dealt with when they were kids and they're like
• 1:52:04
  look at you. Who's?
• 1:52:06
  Talking now you're dealing with this.
• 1:52:08
  Now your kid has colored her hair.
• 1:52:13
  I love that. I loved those moments of levity
• 1:52:17
  because it it just made it seem like, see, I wasn't crazy trying
• 1:52:23
  to discipline you. Now look at you.
• 1:52:25
  Yeah. Train up a child.
• 1:52:28
  Let's bring it down a little bit and talk about the pop culture
• 1:52:32
  elements in this show. I had a fun time with the Ghost
• 1:52:37
  release, you know, with Demi Moore, Patrick Swayze, and they
• 1:52:41
  start playing Unchained Melody in the show.
• 1:52:44
  I was like, Oh my God, that was fun.
• 1:52:47
  Kim Sono enters the chat in episode 9.
• 1:52:52
  I believe he is basically a poor starving artist who is doing
• 1:52:58
  these custom movie billboards for this theater in town.
• 1:53:03
  He is doing a billboard for the I think the movie is Pyong Kong
• 1:53:07
  Soul. And I looked up this movie and I
• 1:53:10
  was like, Oh my God, I got to find a copy of this.
• 1:53:11
  So this is about the South. It's a South Korean historical
• 1:53:16
  drama about a beautiful and sexually skilled woman in the
• 1:53:20
  chosen era who becomes disabled after a horrific injury, leading
• 1:53:24
  her to retreat to the mountains, where she is eventually found by
• 1:53:28
  a man who seeks her out. The film follows her as she
• 1:53:30
  navigates her new life in isolation and her encounter with
• 1:53:33
  Pyeong Kang so, who sees her as a perfect match.
• 1:53:36
  So she basically finds love even after this horrific accident and
• 1:53:40
  she is a scarred sexually experienced women or whatever.
• 1:53:46
  It's a classic Korean novel. I'm like, I got to find this
• 1:53:50
  movie somehow. This sound crazy.
• 1:53:53
  Do you guys have any other pop culture elements that you wanted
• 1:53:57
  to bring up? I do want to jump in and just
• 1:53:59
  say something about that little bit of that movie specifically.
• 1:54:02
  Every time I'm now that I watch dramas, they're they're set in
• 1:54:06
  that time like this, the 70s, eighties.
• 1:54:08
  Yeah, I am always now thinking about Emma because I feel like
• 1:54:11
  film during that time, it's just like it was.
• 1:54:14
  I mean, that blew my mind. Like what film was during that
• 1:54:17
  time in Korea? Because it just goes against
• 1:54:20
  everything I think about, I think about Korea.
• 1:54:22
  So that's a little sign up for me.
• 1:54:24
  I did feel like I felt a little bit more knowledgeable about
• 1:54:27
  that, the kind of movie theater era and this drama because of
• 1:54:31
  AIMA, which is weird because I watched that one.
• 1:54:34
  It was after When Life Gives You Tangerine.
• 1:54:36
  But then I think for me, a lot of the moments I liked were all
• 1:54:39
  the drama references. So like a sand glass, they're
• 1:54:42
  like watching. Sand Glass.
• 1:54:44
  The, you know, like those are my.
• 1:54:46
  Were they watching? What is the like?
• 1:54:47
  Yes, might have been in my heart.
• 1:54:49
  Autumn in my heart, yes, I was like, I'm eating these little
• 1:54:52
  little cameo moments. So those are my favorite pop
• 1:54:55
  reference movies and I do like the music ones, but I feel like
• 1:54:57
  that was another missed element of this drama was like music.
• 1:55:01
  Like, I feel like I did not like, what was the music in this
• 1:55:05
  drama, you know? The OSC was not.
• 1:55:07
  Not existing, and I felt like that's another missed
• 1:55:10
  opportunity. For sure.
• 1:55:12
  Absolutely. There was a jump scare at
• 1:55:14
  episode 10 with the Bill Clinton clip.
• 1:55:18
  I did not have sexual. Relations with that woman.
• 1:55:21
  I was like oh God, wow. Not Clinton, not Epstein files.
• 1:55:25
  Clinton. The Haasong serial murders are
• 1:55:31
  happening in the background of Episode 10, and it contributes
• 1:55:36
  to our female lead being really anxious for her daughter
• 1:55:39
  Komyong, who's in the big city all alone.
• 1:55:42
  Herself. There are music moments, like
• 1:55:45
  you said, HOT. H.
• 1:55:47
  Is playing Sotegi. Sotegi yelling.
• 1:55:52
  It's so great the IMF crisis is happening in the late 90s and
• 1:55:56
  the. Olympics.
• 1:55:58
  The Olympics. The Olympics are happening.
• 1:56:00
  FIFA World Cup. 10 minutes by Ehodi He.
• 1:56:05
  Comes in. He's playing in one of the last
• 1:56:07
  episodes and I was like, oh, I need to like listen to this
• 1:56:10
  again because I forgot how much I love this song.
• 1:56:11
  I. Love it.
• 1:56:13
  Ivyungun is brought up because there is a production filming up
• 1:56:18
  the mountain. This is 2003's K Drama.
• 1:56:25
  Yeah. Yes, starring Ebun and Song
• 1:56:28
  Hekio and Shorthand Story is about one man's rise through the
• 1:56:33
  fiercely competitive world of casino gambling as he clashes
• 1:56:36
  with his rivals over money, success and love.
• 1:56:38
  Sign me up. Have you seen that show?
• 1:56:42
  No, I've never seen it. No.
• 1:56:44
  Have you? Wait, have you guys seen it?
• 1:56:46
  Yes, perfect. So you would recommend it?
• 1:56:48
  Yes, absolutely perfect. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:56:52
  A lot of stuff is happening. I think there was even a
• 1:56:56
  newspaper clipping and it's Princess Diana.
• 1:57:00
  Yeah. And I have to say, if this was
• 1:57:03
  not a Korean production, it was made somewhere in the West,
• 1:57:07
  there would be an entire episode on Princess Diana.
• 1:57:10
  It would. And her death, for sure, yeah,
• 1:57:12
  for sure, yeah. That would have been a whole
• 1:57:14
  thing. Just like the Hassong serial
• 1:57:15
  murders are like simmering in an episode.
• 1:57:19
  Diana would have been a whole thing.
• 1:57:20
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:57:22
  I think the show did a really good job and taking those
• 1:57:26
  cultural moments and sprinkling them throughout the show so that
• 1:57:31
  you feel like you're growing with the show or you're seeing
• 1:57:34
  the characters grow. So yeah, I appreciated those.
• 1:57:38
  The Clinton one, I was about to pause and send you a voice memo
• 1:57:41
  because I was like, Oh my God. Don't.
• 1:57:45
  Don't do that. Did you guys want to talk about
• 1:57:48
  Kun Myung's two relationships? 2 romantic relationships in this
• 1:57:52
  show that. 'D be good.
• 1:57:53
  Yeah, that first guy was trash like.
• 1:57:55
  He yeah, it was the mom. It was the mom.
• 1:58:00
  The mom is sunk that battleship so bad.
• 1:58:03
  I have so many little notes on my reaction to her.
• 1:58:07
  Didn't the actress pass away last year?
• 1:58:09
  Did she? I think she might have.
• 1:58:12
  The actress who played his mom, her first her first fiance.
• 1:58:16
  Kang Myung Ju. She died, yes.
• 1:58:20
  Yeah. February 27th.
• 1:58:22
  Of 2025 yes that's what got me when I was watching her scene at
• 1:58:25
  the end her last scene when they're showing time passing her
• 1:58:29
  by and she's like aging sitting on the couch I got really
• 1:58:32
  emotional watching that because it was like didn't she pass that
• 1:58:35
  she. Passed away and she was so yeah,
• 1:58:37
  53. 53 And I mean, and she I mean, it got to me just watching
• 1:58:42
  her, the time passing her like that character, I was like, it
• 1:58:45
  made me think about the actress herself.
• 1:58:47
  So I was just like, oh, this is sad too.
• 1:58:49
  I was like crying again, you know, just keep crying.
• 1:58:53
  Carol, did you have thoughts on this first relationship?
• 1:58:55
  I think the dad sort of he definitely felt threatened or he
• 1:59:00
  felt jealous or annoyed by the 1st relationship.
• 1:59:04
  But there was a moment where the guy took a break from military,
• 1:59:09
  came to her dorm to come meet her and he runs into her and he
• 1:59:13
  says something and the dad is just like Oh my God this kid is
• 1:59:17
  me. So I feel like the dad really
• 1:59:20
  thought that this guy was good for his daughter especially when
• 1:59:26
  they were meeting the families and the guy's dad was like give
• 1:59:30
  me scorched rice and a soon not a soon come young stand EC IU.
• 1:59:37
  That's why you shouldn't do 2 roles exactly but.
• 1:59:40
  You're just going to confuse all the girlies.
• 1:59:42
  Don't do. Young starts, you know, ladling,
• 1:59:47
  using the ladle to take the rice and the dad is giving the guy
• 1:59:52
  eyes like. What are?
• 1:59:54
  You doing? Yeah, Like, yeah.
• 1:59:56
  I love that I loved it. Non verbal acting is my
• 1:59:58
  favorite. Yeah, he was just trying to tell
• 2:00:01
  him to get up and that was the difference between him and this
• 2:00:06
  kid, where this kid would not stand up in the same way that.
• 2:00:12
  Wanshik did. He was just never going to get
• 2:00:16
  that from him. Yeah, I particularly loved that
• 2:00:20
  the mom did not give out the invitations because she's like,
• 2:00:24
  I raised my daughter. That's boldness.
• 2:00:27
  I know I'll give her the space to figure it out, but it's not
• 2:00:31
  going to be this guy. But when she does see Kim Soho's
• 2:00:35
  character and he comes over for dinner and she's just giggling
• 2:00:40
  and smiling to herself and she already knows him.
• 2:00:44
  This is the guy who carried my daughter to the hospital like
• 2:00:47
  she already knew. And I loved that she gave the
• 2:00:50
  space to Kim Young to figure it out.
• 2:00:53
  I agree, I have notes on this family meeting that.
• 2:00:56
  Happened. In episode 11, that just sent me
• 2:00:59
  up a wall. They're late and they don't
• 2:01:02
  apologize. Yeah, I was like strike one.
• 2:01:06
  The voiceover from ASIN saying it broke my heart to see that my
• 2:01:09
  daughter had turned out just like me.
• 2:01:12
  We're shaking her head and in the way that she means it, it's
• 2:01:16
  because she is this new family. The in laws are demanding that
• 2:01:20
  she be self sacrificing, subservient, neglectful of
• 2:01:24
  herself in giving to everyone else.
• 2:01:27
  It's all around food. Like it's all revolving around
• 2:01:31
  how she's serving them or not serving them at this function.
• 2:01:34
  The fiance is just sitting there not helping, not tempering
• 2:01:40
  anything that his mother is saying, especially now in front
• 2:01:43
  of her parents. And you're talking about the
• 2:01:46
  dad, Clanchick, giving him the nod to like, get up and help her
• 2:01:50
  serve his family. That's not her family yet.
• 2:01:54
  There's a flashback to when Kwanchik is at the table with
• 2:01:58
  the kids, his wife, and breaking this traditional hierarchical
• 2:02:02
  structure of the family unit and their places at the table.
• 2:02:07
  And how groundbreaking it really was.
• 2:02:10
  Because this family's still backward.
• 2:02:12
  This family's still patriarchal. I love what Ehsaan says when she
• 2:02:17
  gets up to serve the scorched rice.
• 2:02:21
  She says I couldn't bring myself to teach her.
• 2:02:23
  She's too precious. She's our darling girl.
• 2:02:25
  That's why I chose not to teach her.
• 2:02:28
  Referring to basic housework and cooking, she serves her
• 2:02:32
  daughter, Kum Young first. Loved her after all that.
• 2:02:37
  But I I want to pull out, I guess in this the Speaking of
• 2:02:41
  the the 1st first love this guy that she liked the mother.
• 2:02:45
  His mother also is presented in a similar fashion as far as like
• 2:02:50
  she believes, like his life is her life.
• 2:02:53
  And we talked about a son kind of doing something similar, you
• 2:02:56
  know, obviously for coming. So I thought that was
• 2:02:58
  interesting that they even followed that through with this
• 2:03:02
  mother character that we weren't supposed to like, you know, they
• 2:03:04
  still kind of brought it back to it's just kind of pitiful that a
• 2:03:08
  mother has to go through this process of feeling like her
• 2:03:11
  child's life is now her life. And if, you know, she lives
• 2:03:15
  through her child. And I thought that was still
• 2:03:17
  good that they did that. Like even though she was the
• 2:03:19
  villain mother character, she still had this element to her
• 2:03:23
  was like, she just wants, she's just a mother.
• 2:03:25
  And that's the problem. She has to become just a mother
• 2:03:29
  that she's living for her son. So I really actually like that
• 2:03:31
  they did that with her character, despite it being the
• 2:03:35
  villain, one of the villain. Yeah, she's so antagonistic.
• 2:03:38
  She's she's horrible, but I did like that and she kind of has
• 2:03:42
  her moment of reckoning from both, you know, Asun and gum
• 2:03:45
  young with they kind of say similar things to her, like your
• 2:03:49
  son is embarrassed by you and you're going to are you're going
• 2:03:52
  to regret this. You're speaking your mind.
• 2:03:54
  She's like, I, I need to speak my mind so I can and speak my
• 2:03:57
  mind lets me take a load off or a boulder off of my chest.
• 2:04:01
  And she's like, you know where that boater's going to go,
• 2:04:02
  right? So it's like it's going to go on
• 2:04:04
  your child's heart. You wanted to speak your mind
• 2:04:07
  about my daughter. It's going to just hurt your son
• 2:04:09
  in the end. And I was like, Yikes.
• 2:04:11
  She called that one because he was crying in the car at her
• 2:04:13
  wedding. So Oh my God, what a Pansy.
• 2:04:17
  Well, get off my property. So I had very little sympathy
• 2:04:22
  for this guy. I thought he just wasn't going
• 2:04:23
  to cut it. Yeah, she says to him or Kim
• 2:04:26
  Young says to him. If I stay with you, my parents
• 2:04:28
  heart will break. I can't do it.
• 2:04:30
  Yeah, I love that. I love that and I love the
• 2:04:33
  ultimatum she gave him earlier where she's like telling him I
• 2:04:37
  wanted to impress your mom so bad she hates me basically.
• 2:04:40
  And she said now you have to decide.
• 2:04:42
  Choose if you want to be a good husband or a good son.
• 2:04:45
  You can only be one. Please.
• 2:04:47
  I really don't want a man who needs to please everyone before
• 2:04:49
  you think about proposing. You must choose one or the
• 2:04:51
  other, and he still doesn't. No, when she gets when she gets
• 2:04:57
  rushed to the emergency room, he runs.
• 2:04:58
  It's like, I choose you. And she's like.
• 2:05:01
  Yeah, this is. At the time for that, simmer
• 2:05:03
  down. Yeah, simmer down.
• 2:05:05
  In fact, he doesn't even understand this guy, what she
• 2:05:09
  means necessarily because he's like, who would choose between,
• 2:05:13
  you know, their wife or fiance or significant other and their
• 2:05:17
  parents, their mother? And she fires back.
• 2:05:20
  Well, my father did. Clock it.
• 2:05:24
  Yeah, clock it, clock it. Right.
• 2:05:30
  Carol, did you have something you wanted to add?
• 2:05:32
  I loved the doctor in that scene where she was rolling messy.
• 2:05:37
  Get these people out of my room. I think she was played by E
• 2:05:42
  Bongrion. Yeah.
• 2:05:44
  And the hospital. Yeah.
• 2:05:45
  She's just like, what am I watching here?
• 2:05:47
  What are we doing? Is this some kind of drama?
• 2:05:49
  Just get them out. I don't need that.
• 2:05:52
  She was eye roll. I was like, that's me, That's
• 2:05:54
  me. It's funny, I did also want to
• 2:05:58
  just jump in and and bring up the breakup because there's a
• 2:06:02
  moment when at the episode she's like, they've been breaking up
• 2:06:05
  for a year and that just made me sick to my stomach.
• 2:06:08
  Me too. I they hate everything about
• 2:06:10
  that sentence. What do you?
• 2:06:11
  Mean. What do you mean?
• 2:06:13
  Yeah, like, get out of my face. Like, end it.
• 2:06:16
  So when they had their little actual real ending, I really
• 2:06:20
  appreciated it because I was like, it's due time.
• 2:06:22
  But I also actually really like the way that the conversation
• 2:06:26
  went because one of my least favorite things is X's to lovers
• 2:06:29
  to lovers. You know, X's, Yeah, lovers to
• 2:06:32
  X's to lovers again, I hate that.
• 2:06:34
  And so I like seeing when people are like, we actually really
• 2:06:37
  still love each other, but we're not good enough.
• 2:06:40
  We're not OK. We don't need to be together.
• 2:06:42
  I. We're all the way off.
• 2:06:44
  We're. All the way off.
• 2:06:45
  It's OK to say no. We can still have love for each
• 2:06:48
  other. And I really like them being
• 2:06:50
  very mature about that. Be like we have love for each
• 2:06:53
  other, but we can't be together. Took them a year.
• 2:06:56
  Took them a year. Took them a year, got there.
• 2:06:59
  One thing that I wanted to add in the pop culture section that
• 2:07:02
  we've already gone over, I forgot to say that they watch
• 2:07:06
  Cinema Paradiso a couple of times in this show, and I adore
• 2:07:12
  Cinema Paradiso. Have you guys seen that movie?
• 2:07:15
  It is. It's another ode to movie that
• 2:07:19
  is an ode to films. Movies the way that they make
• 2:07:23
  you feel. And in a similar sense, like
• 2:07:26
  this show is an ode to a whole host of things and I love that
• 2:07:32
  they bring up cinema parodies. It was one of the best movies
• 2:07:34
  ever, like of all time. Really highly recommend watching
• 2:07:38
  it. If you're already watching
• 2:07:38
  subtitles you might as well just watch cinema parodies though.
• 2:07:41
  It's an Italian film and they really resonate with it because
• 2:07:45
  it's not good. Let's talk about Kim Sono I
• 2:07:49
  guess and how he is another Quan chic 2 point O type of guy.
• 2:07:55
  There was a lot of things that he was doing for our girl and
• 2:08:00
  she said at one point she says you're just like my dad, Yeah.
• 2:08:03
  Yes, he's like you're like a Christmas tree.
• 2:08:07
  That's my favorite quote, one of my favorite quotes.
• 2:08:09
  I love that Carol. I love the Christmas tree moment
• 2:08:12
  that was I eat stuff like that up.
• 2:08:14
  Like he compared her to a Christmas tree because she
• 2:08:17
  sparkles. That's what he said, because she
• 2:08:20
  sparkles like I love it. And he was like, also, he's
• 2:08:23
  like, it didn't matter what room a Christmas tree is in.
• 2:08:26
  It's gonna always sparkle and warm your heart.
• 2:08:30
  And that's what Gum Young does. And I just like, that's a good.
• 2:08:34
  That was his like confession, I think.
• 2:08:35
  His little good man bro like he so when he finally catches up to
• 2:08:41
  her, because he runs after this bus for a couple of stops after
• 2:08:45
  he spots her at the theatre and he says finally and I'm like,
• 2:08:50
  that's already such a very forward open thing to say to
• 2:08:54
  somebody that you haven't seen in years.
• 2:08:55
  It's like, Oh my God, finally, I was, I, I was running after this
• 2:08:59
  bus to catch up to you. He keeps staring at her in awe.
• 2:09:04
  He says he went to the theater every day in hopes that she'd be
• 2:09:08
  there and says openly, I missed you.
• 2:09:11
  I just feel like he was very forward with his emotions.
• 2:09:16
  He was very forward with his intentions and he couldn't just
• 2:09:21
  stop giggling and. He was.
• 2:09:24
  Just absolutely jazz star to be in her presence.
• 2:09:27
  Nice. Sparkles.
• 2:09:29
  I loved when he let the misunderstanding just be there
• 2:09:34
  when his ex-girlfriend is like, oh so this is the girl and he
• 2:09:38
  doesn't say anything, no. He just like he sticks up for
• 2:09:42
  her, He sticks up for Kim Young in that situation because a girl
• 2:09:45
  starts going off the deep end and kissing her and he's like,
• 2:09:49
  you better watch your mouth. She's a.
• 2:09:50
  She goes to. I see you.
• 2:09:52
  And then and then doesn't she say like her heart whistles at
• 2:09:56
  that moment? Like, Oh my gosh, I was like,
• 2:09:58
  yeah, that's what we're calling it.
• 2:10:00
  Whistling. That's what we're calling it.
• 2:10:02
  It was beautiful. Yeah, he's so great.
• 2:10:04
  And then he painted her before he enlisted.
• 2:10:06
  He left this, like, elaborate painting of her in the basement
• 2:10:10
  of the theater. Are we serious?
• 2:10:13
  Then when they're finally together, I like her voice over
• 2:10:15
  saying, you know, we're dating like adults.
• 2:10:17
  So it's totally different than the seven-year relationship that
• 2:10:21
  I had with this guy that was my first love.
• 2:10:24
  This is totally different. Feels great and they have a
• 2:10:28
  Titanic reference. It's.
• 2:10:30
  Now 1997 yes, and she's doing the paint me like one of your
• 2:10:35
  French girls pose. He could not keep it together.
• 2:10:38
  He's giggling. It's adorable and.
• 2:10:41
  I think when they first met, like when he was the other girls
• 2:10:45
  kind of on and off boyfriend, like when he's like walking her
• 2:10:48
  home all those those nights. Like there is a moment when he
• 2:10:51
  he's quite quiet and dark, like he doesn't really talk or
• 2:10:55
  whatnot. And he's like this hair covering
• 2:10:56
  his face. He has his.
• 2:10:57
  Ugly. He looks horrible.
• 2:10:58
  He looks horrible. I didn't even know that was Kim
• 2:11:01
  Soho. And I was like, who is that?
• 2:11:03
  I was like, isn't he supposed to be in this drama?
• 2:11:04
  Where is he? And I'm like, oh, that was him,
• 2:11:06
  girl. Yeah, It's a homeless guy.
• 2:11:07
  I mean, he's homeless. Exactly.
• 2:11:09
  I was like, who is that? But then, like, there is a part
• 2:11:11
  where she says something and he laughs and she's like, oh, I
• 2:11:14
  didn't know you could smile. And then it was like the rest
• 2:11:17
  was history. After that first thing he's kept
• 2:11:20
  and we kept we're saying like, he keeps giggling.
• 2:11:22
  Like he keeps laughing. He.
• 2:11:23
  Loves. He loves that worship the ground
• 2:11:26
  she walks on. And even like the finally quote
• 2:11:28
  when you brought up dress like he says too, like when he says
• 2:11:31
  finally, he's like, I think this is when they use that word.
• 2:11:34
  Like this is when you're supposed to use that word.
• 2:11:36
  It's like finally. And I was like, I love that.
• 2:11:39
  I mean, that was writing right there.
• 2:11:40
  I had to give that to the. Romance.
• 2:11:41
  That's romance. I love that.
• 2:11:43
  I love stuff like that. And his mother is so good to her
• 2:11:47
  and so kind to her. And I think Carol, you love her.
• 2:11:50
  The Persimmon pastries that his mom makes acen and I think her
• 2:11:55
  letter says something like I adore your daughter more than.
• 2:11:58
  Words can say I think I love that she's I adore her and she
• 2:12:01
  and then Acen is like, that's what she was waiting for.
• 2:12:04
  Yeah. That's how she knew he she's
• 2:12:05
  like that's how I knew the person that my daughter picks is
• 2:12:08
  going to be the 1 is when they're his parents or his
• 2:12:10
  mother says like your daughter is amazing.
• 2:12:13
  I love her. Yeah.
• 2:12:14
  Why wouldn't I want her and part of be a part of my family?
• 2:12:18
  She's like, yeah, this he's the one.
• 2:12:19
  He's the one I quite liked when he went home to meet the family.
• 2:12:24
  And he's just following Kumiyang everywhere, puppy.
• 2:12:30
  And the dad is like, why do you keep following?
• 2:12:32
  She's going to the bathroom. Where are you going?
• 2:12:35
  He's like, I have to protect her.
• 2:12:37
  I have to stand there, watch her.
• 2:12:39
  Yeah, and watch her. And then she comes out of the
• 2:12:42
  washroom and he's like, yo, this is so hard.
• 2:12:46
  Like your dad doesn't like me. And she's like, you think when
• 2:12:50
  I'm being all Aggio to your mom, I actually like being that.
• 2:12:55
  You gotta step it up, Sir. She said try harder.
• 2:12:59
  Harder, try harder. Yeah.
• 2:13:02
  And he goes in and he's like drunk and stumbling and then all
• 2:13:05
  of a sudden being Aggio for for Guankshake.
• 2:13:08
  And Guanksha's like, what's wrong with you?
• 2:13:10
  But he starts to, he starts to smell it.
• 2:13:12
  But we're like, oh, yeah, The rest is history.
• 2:13:15
  They all love him. Yeah, this is good.
• 2:13:17
  At their wedding, Mama Essen finally gets to wear her pink
• 2:13:20
  book. I know don't do that.
• 2:13:23
  Just no. I had to.
• 2:13:24
  I had to bring it up. The Pink Book.
• 2:13:28
  Beautiful. She looked beautiful in it.
• 2:13:30
  I like that full circle shit, it's good.
• 2:13:33
  And in the meme moment, I was waiting for the meme.
• 2:13:35
  I have I had, you know, not watch this drama.
• 2:13:39
  And when I enjoyed that meme that went viral, I feel like on
• 2:13:43
  TikTok last year. What was the song?
• 2:13:46
  Was it? It was supernatural by Ariana
• 2:13:48
  Grande, right with him and then like him, you know, doing that
• 2:13:51
  thing. I I want to see that scene.
• 2:13:53
  I was looking forward to that moment.
• 2:13:54
  It was quite understated considering.
• 2:13:57
  Oh yeah, it was not a big. Deal.
• 2:14:00
  And it was actual. Drama.
• 2:14:01
  Yeah, but I like her friends when they're like, did you?
• 2:14:04
  Is he just naturally cutesy like that or did you train him?
• 2:14:07
  She's like, Nah, Nah, I trained him.
• 2:14:11
  She loved him too. Yeah, she loved him bad.
• 2:14:14
  I mean, I also really love to sing when she's giving birth to
• 2:14:17
  their daughter. And he, he's in the doctor's,
• 2:14:21
  like, I don't know, the baby's not doing well.
• 2:14:23
  And he's, she's like, you might need to sign a paper to prepare
• 2:14:26
  yourself. He's like I choose her, I choose
• 2:14:28
  her and he cuts her nurses off. I choose her.
• 2:14:32
  But then the fact that he calls Asun and it's like I.
• 2:14:36
  Love that needs. She's calling.
• 2:14:37
  Yeah, she's. Calling for and he starts
• 2:14:39
  crying. I think you need to come.
• 2:14:42
  I love that moment. I was like, he's so precious.
• 2:14:44
  But I think Carol mentioned this earlier, he's like gone at the
• 2:14:49
  very end of the drama. Like I feel like we don't see
• 2:14:51
  him but that one more time when they're in the bedroom asking
• 2:14:54
  about the piano. And this is right before she
• 2:14:56
  takes them to get their their health check up, which leads to
• 2:14:59
  the end. But I was just like, he just
• 2:15:02
  kind of disappeared for me. Yeah, they blipped him.
• 2:15:04
  Yeah, don't know why. I think it's because of his
• 2:15:07
  scandal and our people comfortable seeing him yet and
• 2:15:12
  sort. Of he just got back, didn't he?
• 2:15:14
  Yeah. He had just gotten back with
• 2:15:15
  this one. Yeah.
• 2:15:16
  Yeah, it's a comeback drama for him for sure.
• 2:15:19
  And I loved when the parents came to see her and they're just
• 2:15:22
  like, I only care about my daughter, right?
• 2:15:24
  Now, and he's they're like, we'll see the baby, Yeah.
• 2:15:26
  He's talking about his daughter. He's like, oh, she's this, she
• 2:15:29
  weighs this speedy pounds and this.
• 2:15:30
  And they're like, no, we're talking about our daughter.
• 2:15:33
  She's healthy. It's she healthy?
• 2:15:35
  He's like, Oh yeah, your daughter's healthy too.
• 2:15:39
  Yeah, that was cute. That was cute.
• 2:15:42
  Anything else you guys want to add about when life get?
• 2:15:45
  I mean, we can go on again for hours and hours.
• 2:15:47
  The final quote that I have from the show is the final voice over
• 2:15:52
  and it sort of wraps everything up.
• 2:15:55
  And I thought it was very nice to my parents who were so young
• 2:15:58
  and always so tenderhearted all throughout the seasons.
• 2:16:01
  With remorse, gratitude and the deepest respect.
• 2:16:04
  Thanks for showing us what to do when life gives you Tangerines.
• 2:16:08
  Aw, beautiful. That's a great quote.
• 2:16:10
  It is. There are no shortage of great
• 2:16:15
  quotes in the show. It is very beautiful script and
• 2:16:20
  I just want to thank you guys for basically coming to the end
• 2:16:23
  of this journey. And I don't think I want to go
• 2:16:26
  on this sojourn again, but it was a beautiful story.
• 2:16:31
  It was very touching. Where can people find you guys
• 2:16:34
  online? You can find me on Instagram as
• 2:16:37
  K Dramas musings with an S and on TikTok as K drama musings.
• 2:16:44
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• 2:16:47
  I think her mind I made it four. OK.
• 2:16:50
  Thank you. You can find me on Instagram at
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  Lola Pops Off about K Dramas. Also my podcast, Listen wherever
• 2:16:58
  you listen to podcasts. And I do have a website, Lola
• 2:17:02
  Pops Off about kdramas.com. I'm working on possibly maybe
• 2:17:07
  doing YouTube. So it's there so you could see
• 2:17:10
  there's a start. So if you see something on
• 2:17:11
  YouTube that is really me. But yeah, Lola pops off about K
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  Dramas. Awesome.
• 2:17:16
  Thank you guys so much for finishing When Life Gives You
• 2:17:20
  Tangerines. I know it was tough to finish,
• 2:17:22
  but it was a wonderful show, a lot to unpack, and I hope that
• 2:17:27
  you listeners out there really appreciate what we did because
• 2:17:29
  we were drudging up all of these emotions for you guys to talk
• 2:17:33
  through. It was a little bit difficult,
• 2:17:37
  but I'm glad that we did it and I'm glad that it's over.
• 2:17:41
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 2:17:44
  the Tabak K Rambles podcast.