Latest / How Canadian Markets Work / Episode 4: Auction Markets and Dealer Markets | Canadian Investing
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- 0:00Welcome to the Deep Dive. Today, we're pulling
- 0:02from this really fascinating stack of educational
- 0:04materials, articles and research all about market
- 0:07structure. Yeah, there is some seriously eye
- 0:09-opening stuff in these sources. Right. And our
- 0:12mission today is to demystify something you probably
- 0:15interact with all the time, but rarely actually
- 0:18think about. We're going to figure out how financial
- 0:20markets actually set prices. Exactly. The hidden
- 0:24mechanics determining what something is worth
- 0:26the exact second you want to buy it. Yeah. And
- 0:29to do that, we have to look at a tale of two
- 0:31very different trades. So imagine you're logging
- 0:34into your brokerage account on your phone. OK.
- 0:37We've all been there. You've decided today is
- 0:39the day you're putting some cash to work. First,
- 0:42you decide to buy a stock. Instantly, the screen
- 0:44comes alive. Blinking green and red, numbers
- 0:47flashing everywhere. Exactly. You can see the
- 0:50price moving in real time. You see the exact
- 0:52depth of the market like how many people wanna
- 0:55buy, how many wanna sell, the specific price
- 0:58tiers they're lined up at. It feels incredibly
- 1:00transparent. It really does. It feels like you're
- 1:04tapped straight into the heartbeat of the global
- 1:05economy. You hit buy, and you just feel totally
- 1:09in control. But then, on that exact same afternoon,
- 1:13with the exact same amount of money, you decide
- 1:16to buy a corporate bond. Ah, and the experience
- 1:19is completely different. Completely. You click
- 1:22over to the fixed income tab and crickets. Like
- 1:26the blinking lights are just gone. Yeah, that
- 1:29long list of competing buyers and sellers vanishes.
- 1:32Right. You just handed a single static number
- 1:35on the screen. Take it or leave it. No context,
- 1:39no transparency. It's a jarring psychological
- 1:42shift for sure. You go from feeling like this
- 1:45ultimate insider in a bustling financial hub
- 1:48to feeling like you're buying a used car from
- 1:51a guy in a dark alley. Totally. And your immediate
- 1:54instinct is usually, is my app broken? Am I looking
- 1:58at outdated info or am I just getting ripped
- 2:00off here? Because the two experiences do not
- 2:03feel like they belong in the same financial system
- 2:05at all. Exactly. So what's going on? Well, I
- 2:08can assure you right out of the gate that stark
- 2:10difference you see on your screen is not a glitch.
- 2:12OK. Good to know. Yeah, it's a deliberate structural
- 2:15feature of two fundamentally different systems.
- 2:18We're talking about auction markets versus dealer
- 2:21markets. Auction versus dealer. Right. And once
- 2:23you understand the hidden mechanics of how these
- 2:25two systems operate, I promise you will never
- 2:28look at a price quote on your screen the same
- 2:29way again. OK, let's unpack this. Because to
- 2:32understand that completely opaque bond trade
- 2:35that leaves you in the dark, we first need to
- 2:37pull apart that transparent stock trade. Makes
- 2:39sense. You called it an auction market. How does
- 2:42that actually work under the hood? So the Toronto
- 2:44Stock Exchange, or the TSX, is a perfect classic
- 2:47example of an auction market. In this system,
- 2:50there is no central authority. There's no middleman
- 2:53stepping in to tell everyone what a share is
- 2:55worth today. Instead, buyers and sellers from
- 2:58all over the world just submit their orders to
- 3:00a central order book. So when I'm looking at
- 3:02my screen and seeing those blinking numbers,
- 3:04I'm looking at the actual public order book.
- 3:07You are. Yeah, everyone who wants to buy a stock
- 3:09posts the maximum price they're willing to pay,
- 3:11and we call that the bid. Their bid, right. And
- 3:14on the flip side, everyone who wants to sell
- 3:16posts the minimum price they're willing to accept,
- 3:18which we call the ask. Got it. So the highest
- 3:21buyer and the lowest seller are essentially staring
- 3:24each other down at the very top of that order
- 3:26book. The current price of the stock just emerges
- 3:28organically from the sheer competition between
- 3:30all those thousands of orders meeting in one
- 3:33place. Let's use a real -world example from our
- 3:36sources to make this really concrete. Sure. Say
- 3:39you're looking at a large, highly traded Canadian
- 3:42bank stock. You look at that public order book
- 3:44and you see the best bid is $79 .98. There's
- 3:48a buyer sitting there who wants 2 ,000 shares
- 3:50at that price. Okay. And the best ask is $80
- 3:53from a seller who has 1 ,500 shares to offload.
- 3:57Right. So the gap between what the highest buyer
- 3:59is willing to pay and the lowest seller is willing
- 4:01to accept, that's known as the spread. The spread.
- 4:04And in your example, that spread is incredibly
- 4:07small. I mean, it's just 2 cents. 2 cents on
- 4:09an $80 stock. So if I decide to buy in and I
- 4:13place an order for, say, $8 ,000 worth of this
- 4:16bank stock, that 2 -cent spread is going to cost
- 4:19me a grand total of about $2. Exactly. It's a
- 4:23completely trivial amount. It's nothing. And
- 4:26what's fascinating here is how transparency breeds
- 4:28competition, right? And competition drives down
- 4:31costs. That spread is so tiny because of the
- 4:34massive volume of participation. Because everyone
- 4:36can see it. Right. You know the fair objective
- 4:39price is $80 or within two cents of it because
- 4:42hundreds of different algorithms and institutions
- 4:44and retail traders are fiercely competing against
- 4:47one another to post the most attractive price.
- 4:50I like to think of the auction market like a
- 4:53massive bustling public flea market. where absolutely
- 4:56everyone is walking around with a megaphone.
- 4:58Oh, that's a good way to look at it. Right? Yeah.
- 5:00Because if someone tries to lowball a bid for
- 5:02a vintage lamp, say, shouting that they only
- 5:04pay $75. They'll never get it. Exactly. They're
- 5:07simply never going to get the item because somebody
- 5:09right next to them is already publicly yelling
- 5:11into their megaphone that they'll pay $79 .98.
- 5:15Competition strictly polices the price. Yeah.
- 5:17You really can't get away with a bad deal because
- 5:19everyone can hear everyone else. The megaphone
- 5:21is a great analogy. It ensures you have the exact
- 5:24same pricing information as almost everyone else
- 5:26standing in that market. But as you noticed when
- 5:29you clicked over to your fixed income tab earlier.
- 5:31Right, that bustling flea market is not the only
- 5:34way things are bought and sold. Which makes me
- 5:36wonder, what happens when you take away the megaphones?
- 5:39Like when we look at that bond trade, the mechanics
- 5:42seem to completely shift. They do. We're leaving
- 5:46the auction market and entering what the sources
- 5:48call a dealer market. A dealer market. Yeah.
- 5:51Often referred to as an over -the -counter or
- 5:54OTC market. In a dealer market, that central
- 5:57public order book, it just does not exist. So
- 6:00no blinking lights. No blinking lights. There's
- 6:03no massive crowd of buyers and sellers organically
- 6:05matching with each other. Instead, there are
- 6:08dealers. OK, what is a dealer in this context?
- 6:12These are specialized financial firms that hold
- 6:15their own personal inventory of securities. So
- 6:18in this case, bonds. Wait, what does that mean
- 6:20in plain English? Are they just, like, matchmaking
- 6:22behind the scenes, finding a seller for me? No,
- 6:24they're acting as a principal in the trade. They
- 6:26are actually using their own wallet. Really?
- 6:28Yeah. When you want to buy a corporate bond,
- 6:31they sell you one directly out of their own private
- 6:34stash. And when you want to sell a bond, they
- 6:37buy it from you with their own capital and add
- 6:39it to their inventory. Oh, wow. So they aren't
- 6:41just facilitating the trade, they're taking on
- 6:43the actual risk of owning the asset. Exactly.
- 6:46If they buy my bond today and the economy takes
- 6:49a hit or interest rates spike tomorrow. The bond
- 6:51drops in value while it's sitting right there
- 6:53on their balance sheet. They're holding an asset
- 6:55that can depreciate at any moment. That's a lot
- 6:57of risk. It is. And because they are taking on
- 7:00that real inventory risk to accommodate your
- 7:02desire to trade, they absolutely expect to be
- 7:05compensated for it. Which brings us back to the
- 7:07spread. Right. But in a dealer market, the spread
- 7:10functions as an entirely different mechanism
- 7:13than it does in the auction market. Let's break
- 7:15down the math on this, because I really think
- 7:17this is where a lot of everyday investors are
- 7:19going to have a genuine aha moment. OK, let's
- 7:22do it. In a dealer market, the dealer gives you
- 7:25two quotes. The bid, which is what they'll pay
- 7:28you if you want to sell your bond to them, and
- 7:30the ask, which is what they'll charge you if
- 7:33you want to buy a bond from their inventory.
- 7:35And the ask is invariably higher. Always. Let's
- 7:38look at the specific example provided in our
- 7:40source material. A dealer quotes a bond. They
- 7:43bid 98 and they ask 98 .5. Hang on. If I log
- 7:47in and I buy $10 ,000 worth of that bond from
- 7:51the dealer at their ask price of 98 .5. OK. And
- 7:55then literally 10 seconds later, I instantly
- 7:58change my mind. I hit the sell button to give
- 7:59it right back to them. They're only going to
- 8:02pay you their bid price of 98. Wait. So I just
- 8:05lost half a point instantly. on a $10 ,000 trade
- 8:10that is $50 gone in 10 seconds. Gone the very
- 8:14moment your order executes before the bond has
- 8:16even had a chance to move in the broader market.
- 8:19I am genuinely surprised by that because if I
- 8:21look at my brokerage statement at the end of
- 8:23the month, that $50 loss never appears as a line
- 8:26item. It doesn't. It doesn't say dealer convenience
- 8:28fee, $50. I could be sitting there using a so
- 8:32-called zero commission brokerage app feeling
- 8:34really savvy. about saving money. And you are
- 8:37silently bleeding $50 on that trade without ever
- 8:40even realizing it. That's crazy. The spread in
- 8:44a dealer market is, for all intents and purposes,
- 8:46a fee. It is a hidden cost baked directly into
- 8:49the price of the asset itself, rather than being
- 8:52charged as a separate commission. Because there's
- 8:54no public order book showing you what the dealer
- 8:56paid yesterday. Right. No blinking lights. You
- 8:58have no baseline to compare it against. You're
- 9:00navigating a massive asymmetry of information.
- 9:05Which... naturally makes you wonder, why do we
- 9:06use the system at all? It's a fair question.
- 9:09If the spread is taking 50 bucks out of my pocket
- 9:11in the dark, why can't bonds just trade on a
- 9:14public transparent exchange like stocks do? Why
- 9:16can't we just have an auction market for everything
- 9:18and be done with it? What's fascinating here
- 9:20is that it really comes down to one fundamental
- 9:23issue, and that is variety. Variety? Yeah. Think
- 9:27about a major technology corporation. They generally
- 9:30have one single class of common shares. It's
- 9:33one standardized uniform item that every single
- 9:36equity investor in the world trades. Right. A
- 9:39share of the company is just a share of the company.
- 9:41But that exact same technology company might
- 9:44have 15 or 20 different bonds outstanding simultaneously.
- 9:49Wait, why so many? Because companies borrow money
- 9:51at different times for different reasons. They
- 9:53might have a bond maturing in 2025, another in
- 9:562030, another in 2050. I see. And they all have
- 10:01different maturity dates and they pay different
- 10:03interest coupons, meaning the actual percentage
- 10:05of interest they pay out varies depending on
- 10:07what the economy looked like on the day that
- 10:09specific bond was issued. So instead of one massive
- 10:12unified pool of stock, you have 15 fractured,
- 10:17highly specific pools of bonds for just one single
- 10:20company. Exactly. Now multiply those 15 different
- 10:23bonds by every single corporate borrower, municipality,
- 10:27and government entity in the entire country.
- 10:30You're suddenly looking at a staggering, almost
- 10:33incomprehensible number of distinct, unique securities.
- 10:37And the harsh reality is most of them trade very
- 10:40rarely. Okay, so going back to my flea market
- 10:42analogy, an auction market only works if you
- 10:45have a massive crowd all trying to trade the
- 10:47exact same item at the exact same time. Right.
- 10:51You need the noise. You need the megaphones to
- 10:54force the spread down to two cents. And bonds
- 10:56simply do not have that crowd. They don't. If
- 11:00you tried to put a somewhat obscure corporate
- 11:02bond on a public order book like the TSX, you
- 11:04might sit there for three weeks waiting for a
- 11:06buyer to randomly show up who wants that exact
- 11:09maturity date and that exact interest rate. Wow.
- 11:12The dealer market exists out of necessity. The
- 11:15dealer steps in, uses their own capital, and
- 11:17basically says, I will trade with you right now.
- 11:20providing you instant liquidity, even though
- 11:23literally nobody else in the world currently
- 11:25wants this bond. OK, so the $50 hidden fee isn't
- 11:28just like malice or Wall Street greed. It's a
- 11:32convenience fee for instant liquidity. It is
- 11:35the necessary cost of transferring the risk of
- 11:38holding a highly illiquid asset from you onto
- 11:41the dealer's balance sheet. That makes a lot
- 11:43of sense. In fact, that's one of the most vital
- 11:45takeaways from our sources. The spread is the
- 11:48ultimate pure measure of an asset's liquidity.
- 11:51So a widespread like that $100 cost on a retail
- 11:54bond trade? Is just the market mathematically
- 11:57expressing to you that there are very few participants
- 12:00around. OK, so you've painted these as two separate
- 12:02universes. We have the transparent bustling auction
- 12:05markets for stocks on one side and the opaque
- 12:08hidden fee dealer markets for bonds on the other.
- 12:11Right. But surely real life is messier than that,
- 12:14right? Does an auction market ever break down
- 12:17if a stock becomes as unpopular as a rare bond?
- 12:20Real markets are almost always hybrids. They
- 12:23borrow mechanics from each other all the time.
- 12:25How so? Well, let's take the TSX again. It is
- 12:28an auction market, but it actively uses designated
- 12:31market makers. Market makers? Yeah, these are
- 12:34specialized firms that are contractually obligated
- 12:37by the exchange to post two -sided quotes, a
- 12:39bid and an ask, in certain assigned stocks at
- 12:42all times. So even in the pure auction market,
- 12:45there's a dealer standing by just in case the
- 12:47crowd goes completely quiet. Exactly. It ensures
- 12:50the flea market never truly empties out. The
- 12:53market maker is getting paid by the exchange
- 12:54to stand there and provide a dealer style backstop
- 12:57to the public auction, ensuring you can always
- 13:00buy or sell even in a thinly traded stock. That's
- 13:04fascinating. But the complications go deeper
- 13:06than that, don't they? They do. Because our sources
- 13:10mentioned that not everything in an auction market
- 13:13is actually visible to the public, which sounds
- 13:16completely contradictory to the whole megaphone
- 13:18concept we were just talking about. Ah, you're
- 13:20referring to dark pools. Honestly, it sounds
- 13:23like a villain's lair in a comic book. What are
- 13:25dark pools? They sound sinister, but they serve
- 13:27a very practical, albeit highly debated purpose.
- 13:32Okay. Imagine a massive institutional investor,
- 13:35say a national pension fund managing billions
- 13:38of dollars. They decide they need to sell two
- 13:41million shares of a company to rebalance their
- 13:43portfolio. Two million shares. If they dump a
- 13:46two million share sell order directly onto the
- 13:49public TSX order book, what do you think happens?
- 13:52Absolute panic. Every algorithmic trader and
- 13:55day trader sees that massive wall of selling
- 13:57supply looming and they instantly start selling
- 14:00too. Exactly. The price of the stock would plummet
- 14:03before the pension fund even finished executing
- 14:05their trade. The market would move aggressively
- 14:07against them just because they announced their
- 14:09intentions. So what's the solution? Dark pools.
- 14:13They're private alternative trading systems that
- 14:15allow these massive institutions to place large
- 14:17orders without displaying them to the public
- 14:19market beforehand. Oh, I see. They often match
- 14:22buyers and sellers at the midpoint of the public
- 14:24bid and ask. The trade executes in the shadows,
- 14:27protecting the pension fund from causing a panic
- 14:29and getting a terrible execution price. Hold
- 14:31on though, I need to push back on this. Go ahead.
- 14:34If a pension fund gets to hide their massive
- 14:36trades in a dark pool so they don't spook the
- 14:39market, isn't that just a legalized unfair advantage?
- 14:42That is the big question. Like, why do massive
- 14:45institutions get to play by a different set of
- 14:47rules, completely hidden, while retail investors
- 14:49have to show their hands on the public order
- 14:51book? You're hitting on the absolute core of
- 14:53the controversy. Critics of dark pools make the
- 14:56exact same argument. They rightly point out that
- 14:58dark pools remove vital supply and demand information
- 15:01from the public price discovery process. Because
- 15:03if two million shares just traded hands in secret.
- 15:06The public price you're seeing on your screen
- 15:08isn't factoring in that massive shift in ownership.
- 15:11Yeah. The pension fund saves money by avoiding
- 15:13market impact. But critics argue the public market
- 15:16becomes slightly less accurate as a result. It's
- 15:19a heavy debate between the need for institutional
- 15:21liquidity and the demand for public transparency.
- 15:24We don't take sides here, but it's important
- 15:25to understand both arguments. It really is. And
- 15:28what about bonds? Are they stuck in the completely
- 15:31dark ages forever, or is transparency improving
- 15:33there, too? Sources are clear that it's improving
- 15:36significantly. We now have systems like Trace,
- 15:38which provide post -trade reporting in the bond
- 15:40market. Post -trade. So after the fact. Right.
- 15:43You still don't get a live blinking pre -trade
- 15:46order book like you do with equities, but regulators
- 15:48mandate that dealers report their trades shortly
- 15:50after they happen. Okay, so you can at least
- 15:53look at historical data and see what others recently
- 15:55paid for that same bond. Exactly. If you read
- 15:58older textbooks, they paint a much bleaker picture
- 16:00of bond opacity than the reality of today's market.
- 16:04So what does this all mean for you, the listener?
- 16:06You're sitting there with your brokerage app
- 16:08trying to navigate these hybrid markets, invisible
- 16:11dealer fees and wide spreads. How do you actually
- 16:14protect yourself? Well, our sources offer one
- 16:17incredibly powerful practical tool. And it is
- 16:20called the limit order. Yes. This is perhaps
- 16:24the most crucial defensive tactic an investor
- 16:27can utilize. Think about what happens when you
- 16:29use a standard market order, right? A market
- 16:32order is you telling your broker, I don't care
- 16:34about the price. Just fill my order immediately
- 16:36at whatever the best available price happens
- 16:38to be right now. Right. And in a highly liquid
- 16:41stock like a major bank, that's generally fine
- 16:43because the spread is only two cents. But what
- 16:46if you throw a market order into a thinly traded
- 16:48stock or a volatile market where the crowd is
- 16:50small and the spread is wide? You are essentially
- 16:53handing a blank check to the market. Literally.
- 16:56If the nearest willing seller on the order book
- 16:57is demanding a price that is three, four, or
- 17:00five percent higher than the last traded price,
- 17:02your market order will simply execute at that
- 17:05terrible price. Ouch. Yeah. You'll feel several
- 17:07percent away from where you expected, instantly
- 17:10destroying your own value just to get the trade
- 17:12done quickly. It is genuinely dangerous. That
- 17:15is exactly why the limit order is your best friend.
- 17:18A limit order says to your broker, fill my trade
- 17:21at this specific price or do not fill it at all.
- 17:24You are drawing a hard line in the sand. Right.
- 17:27And mechanically, by placing a limit order, you're
- 17:29not just consuming whatever liquidity is available.
- 17:32You are actually posting your intention to the
- 17:34order book. That's the key. By placing a limit
- 17:36order, I am basically grabbing my own megaphone
- 17:39and stepping into the flea market. I become a
- 17:41visible part of the order book. forcing the market
- 17:44to come to my terms. Exactly. Now, you might
- 17:47not end up making the trade if the market price
- 17:49never reaches your specified limit. True. But
- 17:51you will never, ever be surprised by a devastatingly
- 17:54widespread executing against your capital. And
- 17:57it costs absolutely nothing to use a limit order
- 17:59on your app. It's the single easiest way to stop
- 18:02a widespread from silently draining your portfolio.
- 18:05Honestly, if you take nothing else away from
- 18:07this deep dive, take that limit orders are your
- 18:10shield. A very sound rule of thumb for any investor.
- 18:14OK, let's synthesize everything we've uncovered
- 18:16today. We started with the mystery of why two
- 18:19identically sized trades, one stock, one bond,
- 18:22felt so vastly different on the screen. And we
- 18:24found that it fundamentally comes down to market
- 18:26structure. First, auction markets pool public
- 18:29orders centrally, allowing organic competition
- 18:32to transparently set the price. That's where
- 18:35you find tight spreads and high pre -trade visibility.
- 18:38Second, dealer markets rely on middlemen who
- 18:40trade directly out of their own private inventory,
- 18:43mostly because the assets are too varied to sustain
- 18:46a massive crowd. Right. They take on real risk,
- 18:49and they charge you for that risk by baking a
- 18:52hidden fee directly into the price. And third,
- 18:55that hidden fee, the spread, is the ultimate
- 18:58measure of an asset's liquidity. A widespread
- 19:01is just the market mathematically expressing
- 19:03that there are very few participants willing
- 19:05to trade. which forces you to pay a premium to
- 19:08whoever is willing to step up. So the next time
- 19:10you log into your account, you aren't just looking
- 19:12at blanking numbers or static quotes anymore.
- 19:15You have x -ray vision. You can look at the spread
- 19:17on the stock or a bond and instantly understand
- 19:20the hidden mechanics operating behind your screen.
- 19:23You know exactly what it means when a quote is
- 19:25flashing live from an order book, and you know
- 19:27exactly what it means when a dealer hands you
- 19:29a static number from their own inventory. You're
- 19:32no longer flying blind. No more silent fees draining
- 19:34the account. You'll never blindly accept an opaque
- 19:37quote without understanding the inventory risk
- 19:39the dealer is managing. And you will certainly
- 19:42never throw a careless market order into a thinly
- 19:44traded asset again. You are in control of the
- 19:47mechanics now. But before we wrap up this deep
- 19:50dive, this raises an important question. Something
- 19:53I'd like you to just maul over the next time
- 19:55you're looking at your seemingly transparent
- 19:57stock portfolio. Lid on us. We talked earlier
- 20:00about dark pools, right? and how massive institutional
- 20:03players like pension funds and hedge funds use
- 20:05them to cross huge multi -million share trades
- 20:08away from the public order book. Right. Hidden
- 20:10from the public eye. So if a truly massive chunk
- 20:14of the actual buying and selling in the market
- 20:16is happening completely in the shadows, what
- 20:19does that mean for the true accuracy of that
- 20:21transparent price blinking on your screen? Oh,
- 20:24wow. If the biggest players with the most money
- 20:27are playing off the board? Are everyday retail
- 20:30investors simply trading based on an illusion
- 20:33of transparency?