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Best of the Bus: Hall Of Famer Luke Kuechly Opens Up About Why He Walked Away From Football · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: Our guest today, quite possibly the greatest white athlete to
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  Speaker 1: ever be on this earth, a man who has been
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  Speaker 1: said got an apartment his rookie year, had a bed,
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  Speaker 1: no TV, just for his iPad, so he could be
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  Speaker 1: the greatest. Somehow went to Boston College. Should have gone
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  Speaker 1: to the University of Michigan or Nebraska. Ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: give your give a rat a pause for Luke Keickley.
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  Speaker 2: When it drops one day Hall of Fame, all white teamer.
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  Speaker 3: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta be starting backer, bro, Welcome to the bus.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's good to be on here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, So why do you want to start? How
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  Speaker 1: do you want to do this?
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  Speaker 3: Hey?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, right right, okay, I'll take this.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead and start because I'm just looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's him, that's that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to start early in his life
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  Speaker 1: or younger than.
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  Speaker 3: I?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: That's Did you tell Luke that you actually played two
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  Speaker 1: more years in the NFL than him?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: I figured we could to that point.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fact. I can't run from that situation. We
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  Speaker 1: get to that point, you get to that point eventually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go ahead and start it off, all right,
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  Speaker 2: kick it well. I started to gather my thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Loo because of field to be the best white linebacker
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  Speaker 1: ever live.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So Brian er Lacker was the guy
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  Speaker 3: that I grew up watching him and Zach Thomas are
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  Speaker 3: pretty daggon good. And then Chicago guy Dick Buckets. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like he kind of kind of got it all
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  Speaker 3: rolling a little bit. Can you hear me get it close? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: But uh it was fun. Man. The game of football
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  Speaker 3: is special. And the guys that I grew up watching Lack,
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  Speaker 3: Zach Thomas, Derek Brooks, Ray Lewis, those are the dudes
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  Speaker 3: that when I was growing up, I want to I
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  Speaker 3: want to be like those guys.
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  Speaker 1: When did the bug hit you? Because everything I know,
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  Speaker 1: this is obviously the first time we've met. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: playing against you, practicing against you one time when you.
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  Speaker 2: Brutal, terrible actually practices.
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  Speaker 1: We went away did joint practice. And I was always
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  Speaker 1: told this guy Luke Keigley, like he is a football guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's a machine. The way he operates, he calls out plays.
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  Speaker 1: You have so many clips of guys saying, oh, we
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  Speaker 1: would be sitting there, we checked to a play, and
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  Speaker 1: then you would call out to play. It was no
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  Speaker 1: difference when we were in practice. I actually, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you read this. I walked up to you
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of practice between plays and said something
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  Speaker 1: to you. You were like a goddamn robot, like.
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  Speaker 3: You were so dialag I was hot and trying to
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  Speaker 3: get me off the field. It dials what you were.
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  Speaker 1: So when did the bug hit? When did you realize, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: football is what I want to do with my life.
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  Speaker 3: I think growing up I wanted to play football, probably
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  Speaker 3: start in like second or third grade. You know, you
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  Speaker 3: grew up in the Midwest. I grew up in Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: The first game that pops on is at noon, so
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  Speaker 3: you wake up on Saturday. We always would have football
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  Speaker 3: practice on Saturday mornings. We play on Sundays, and then
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  Speaker 3: you'd watch college football all day. So I think for
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  Speaker 3: me it was started as a young age. That's the
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  Speaker 3: one game that I wanted to play, and we didn't
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  Speaker 3: have an opportunity to play in twil I was in
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  Speaker 3: fourth grade because just how the school was set up.
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  Speaker 3: My dad didn't play football. We weren't really a football
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  Speaker 3: family growing up, so by the time I got involved
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  Speaker 3: with it, I was in fourth grade. And my brother
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  Speaker 3: was in fifth grade and we just played on the
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  Speaker 3: local school team. It was a group of I think
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  Speaker 3: it was Saint Mike's Our Lady Is, the Sacred Heart
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  Speaker 3: is where I went to school, and then Saint Xavier.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the three team, three schools that made up
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  Speaker 3: the team. So it was really like third grade that
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  Speaker 3: I want, I knew I wanted to play, and then
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  Speaker 3: fourth grade is the first year that actually played.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, why Boston College? Like coming to were you? Were
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  Speaker 2: you an offer guy coming out of high school?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I knew. You know, when you're coming up,
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  Speaker 3: you never expect you're gonna play in the NFL. I
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  Speaker 3: think for me, it was always what's the next logical
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  Speaker 3: step for me? So when you're in grade school, you
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  Speaker 3: want to play on So it was third and fourth,
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  Speaker 3: fifth and sixth, seventh and eighth. So when you move
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  Speaker 3: up to fifth grade you're on the fifth and sixth team,
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  Speaker 3: you want to play on that team, and then as
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  Speaker 3: a sixth grader you play, and then on seventh grade
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  Speaker 3: you go back in the same situation and then you
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  Speaker 3: get to high school. We had a freshman team, a
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  Speaker 3: JV team, and a varsity team. So my goal in
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  Speaker 3: high school was to play on the varsity on the
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  Speaker 3: varsity team as a junior.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy. We just had we had so many we had.
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  Speaker 3: I went to a private all or a Catholic Jesuit
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  Speaker 3: all boys school in Cincinnati. That's kind of one of
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  Speaker 3: the reasons I went to BC. But there's sixteen hundred
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  Speaker 3: boys and we probably had, you know, three to four
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  Speaker 3: hundred kids in the football program.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was huge, three to four hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: So your school is one of the reasons why Ohio
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  Speaker 1: always looked at such a big.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were Southwest Ohigo, so we had like one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and thirty five hundred and forty kids on the freshman team.
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  Speaker 3: The jv team was just sophomores, and then that was
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  Speaker 3: probably seventy eighty kids, and then on the varsity team
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  Speaker 3: was like one hundred and forty kids again, so those
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  Speaker 3: numbers get big quick. I went to BC because academically
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  Speaker 3: was really strong. That was one thing that my parents
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  Speaker 3: talk to me a lot about was go somewhere that
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  Speaker 3: you wouldn't be able to get into without football. So
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't getting in the Boston College. I looked at
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  Speaker 3: Stanford wasn't getting to get in there. Duke and then
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  Speaker 3: Virginia were the schools that I was looking at, and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I can't get in to any of
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  Speaker 3: these schools without football, and I'm like, if I can
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  Speaker 3: get a scholarship twenty these schools, I got an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to get a five year education of Masters for free
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  Speaker 3: and go play football. So that's kind of what you're
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  Speaker 3: thinking coming out. And Tom O'Brien was a Saint Xavier guy.
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  Speaker 3: That's we went to high school. He went to Saint
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  Speaker 3: Xavier and then he ended up coaching at Boston College
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  Speaker 3: and started pulling kids out of the high school to
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  Speaker 3: go to play football Boston College. So we probably had
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  Speaker 3: a kid there for I don't know, twenty years in
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  Speaker 3: a row from the high school, just overlapping, and the
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  Speaker 3: guys that went to school there had a ton of success.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of them were team captains, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: them played really well, and it was a really How
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  Speaker 3: that program was run was very similar to how the
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  Speaker 3: program was running Cincinnati at Saint Xavior High School. Just toughness,
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  Speaker 3: playing hard, doing the right thing. We didn't always have
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  Speaker 3: the best athletes, but we played really well as a team,
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  Speaker 3: and when I was being recruited, Matt Ryan was there.
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  Speaker 3: So were they got as high as number two? They
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  Speaker 3: beat Virginia Tech and Blacksburg on that pass across the
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  Speaker 3: field from Matt I think I think Andre Calender caught
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  Speaker 3: that ball and there was just a ton of hype
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  Speaker 3: around them when I was being recruited, and it was
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  Speaker 3: good academically. It was outside of Boston. I knew guys
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  Speaker 3: that were There was a Jesuit school just like my
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  Speaker 3: high school, and they were playing really really good football
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  Speaker 3: at the time.
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  Speaker 2: So were you an overachiever? Like were you a beast
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  Speaker 2: in high school as well? Like, are any guys in
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  Speaker 2: that school that three to four hundred? Are there any
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  Speaker 2: freshmen or guys playing varsity? No?
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know, my my freshman year, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't play a whole lot. We had we had since
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  Speaker 3: the team was so big. We had an A team
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  Speaker 3: and a B team, So the A team would play
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  Speaker 3: like on a Wednesday, and the B team would play
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  Speaker 3: on a Thursday. So we'd play the other freshman team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so they played on I think on Saturdays. No, the
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  Speaker 3: varsity team played Friday nights and then we played Saturdays. Typically,
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  Speaker 3: I think is what happened. So freshmen don't play varsity typically,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't know the last time it's happened.
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  Speaker 3: Occasionally you'll get like two or three sophomores play varsity,
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  Speaker 3: but they got to be dudes. But I would say
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  Speaker 3: that eighty five percent of guys don't aren't on the
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  Speaker 3: varsity team until they're juniors.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's why your goal was. I thinking
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  Speaker 1: you like, if you had the bug, if you had
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  Speaker 1: this kind of drive, the way everyone sees and talks
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  Speaker 1: about this kid to have been a freshman on varsity,
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  Speaker 1: but this it seems like an absolute powerhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I loved I loved the game of football.
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  Speaker 3: I was small, so my freshman year I played outside linebacker,
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  Speaker 3: and my sophomore year they moved me to tight end
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  Speaker 3: because the backers that we had they were bigger than me.
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  Speaker 3: They're they're just better. So my sophomore year, those guys
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  Speaker 3: all play backer, and then I played tight end, and
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  Speaker 3: then my junior ed studies. I was a good blocker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeahball, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so glad I didn't have to play offense because
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  Speaker 3: all formations and trades and shifts you play mike backer.
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  Speaker 3: You just line up in the middle of the field. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you don't got to go anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: You're also calling out all those trades, formations and ship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's but off. There was a guy named Ryan Long.
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  Speaker 3: He played right tackle and he played tight end in
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  Speaker 3: the year before, and then I think in like training camp,
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  Speaker 3: and then they moved me to tight end and they
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  Speaker 3: moved him to tackle. So he knew all the formation.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd line up next to him in the huddle.
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  Speaker 3: They called the play make where do I line up?
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  Speaker 3: So I Ryan Long was like my my life support, uh,
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  Speaker 3: playing tight end. And then I switched back to linebacker
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  Speaker 3: as a junior, and then I played like a hybrid
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  Speaker 3: safety as a senior.
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  Speaker 1: So, so as a junior on varsity, were you starting
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  Speaker 1: at that point? I did, Okay, that's one when they was.
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  Speaker 3: So I started to grow. I started to grow a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. I got a little bigger.
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  Speaker 2: How big were you going into BC?
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  Speaker 3: Oh man? So I played my senior year at like
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  Speaker 3: two twelve, and then I got to BC. I was
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  Speaker 3: probably like two eighteen. So I played I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: two eighteen, two twenty as a freshman, and then like
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  Speaker 3: two twenty eight as a sophomore, and then as a junior,
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  Speaker 3: I played like two thirty one, two thirty two, Just a.
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  Speaker 2: Thicky When did you know in college that hey, I
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  Speaker 2: might have something. I might have a future in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: So I think you know you? So in college it
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  Speaker 3: was interesting because Mark Kurzlik, you guys remember him Monster. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so Mark Hurzlik was a junior. I went to spring game.
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  Speaker 3: He was he was going into his what was.
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  Speaker 2: It because he got done with his junior year, right,
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  Speaker 2: he was like a first round potential cancer thing happened. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he fought his sat out a year.
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  Speaker 3: I go to spring ball, going as when I'm a senior,
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  Speaker 3: Mark's going to be a He's he's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a senior in college. So it's his spring ball before
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  Speaker 3: his senior year, and they'd been telling me like, Mark's
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  Speaker 3: got like a low back hamstring thing, He's probably not
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  Speaker 3: going to play a lot in the spring. Amos bummed
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  Speaker 3: because I wanted to watch him play. So he goes
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  Speaker 3: and plays, a couple of snaps comes out, and then
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  Speaker 3: like a couple of weeks later it's he's got ewing
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  Speaker 3: sarcoma bone cancer. So I get there I get to school.
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  Speaker 3: Mark's out the whole year. Essentially, he red shirted as
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  Speaker 3: he was dealing with cancer. I don't know how the
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  Speaker 3: guy did it. He was there all the time, worked
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  Speaker 3: out every day, was still big and strong, was in
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  Speaker 3: all the meetings. He was fantastic as a young guy
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  Speaker 3: to come cancer ball. Yeah he had gone through chemo, radiation, everything.
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  Speaker 3: But he was a great older guy to have at
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  Speaker 3: BC as a freshman. He wasn't playing, so there was
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  Speaker 3: like no stress of I mean, he was dealing with
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  Speaker 3: cancer obviously, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a that is a football thing to say. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the distress of playing as crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So so then Mark's out. Mike mcloffin was our Mike linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: He's like the prototype from Massachusetts. He had he had
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  Speaker 3: the cowboy collar, neck roll, he had the little bull ring. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he wore the diaper chin strap. No he didn't. He
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  Speaker 3: had a diaper chin strap, but then he switched over
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  Speaker 3: to the pad in one. But he was like the prototype.
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  Speaker 3: He was coming back from an achilles, so he was
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  Speaker 3: going to miss the first couple games of the season
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  Speaker 3: and then I don't know, a week or two in
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  Speaker 3: the training camp are starting Mike backer. Will Thompson gets
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  Speaker 3: like a shoulder stinger. So I'm over with the freshman
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  Speaker 3: doing inside run, get my teeth kicked in, and they
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  Speaker 3: just needed a mic backer, so they called me over
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  Speaker 3: and I had to go over as like little skinny
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty pound luke and play against the
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  Speaker 3: older guys and just get my teeth kicked in. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, this is awful. And my coach came up
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  Speaker 3: to me after the after that period and he's like,
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  Speaker 3: I was pretty terrible. You got to figure it out
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  Speaker 3: because you're going to play week one because we don't
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  Speaker 3: have anybody else. I was like, what about this guy?
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, well that guy, uh, that guy got
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  Speaker 3: popped for a drug test, so he can't play either.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're.
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  Speaker 1: Looking at the saying, hey, you're being told you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: play week one, but you're like, hey, what about that guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, yeah, I'm like I'm my confidence is zero.
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  Speaker 3: So hers Lick's out, max out. Will Thompson gets hurt,
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  Speaker 3: guy gets popped for a drug test, and then before
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  Speaker 3: you know, your top four guys are out and so
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  Speaker 3: there's really no one left. Like, hey, week one, you're
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  Speaker 3: just gonna have to figure it out. So the first
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  Speaker 3: couple of games this season or disaster, you go down
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  Speaker 3: the Clemson we play in Death Valley against C. J.
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  Speaker 3: Spiller and that they had daikuon Bowers and they had another,
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  Speaker 3: they had an I forget another.
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  Speaker 1: He's back there. JP's a South Carolina guy. He hates
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  Speaker 1: every time they're mentioned. They have they have to be
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  Speaker 1: trashed off.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So but then you make a couple of plays
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  Speaker 3: in those games You're like, you know, I got a chance.
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  Speaker 3: And then I remember my sophomore year was when I
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  Speaker 3: was like, okay, you played against in Clemson against you know, CJ. Spiller,
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  Speaker 3: and then you just start going through the guys that
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  Speaker 3: you play against. You're like, these guys are all getting
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  Speaker 3: drafted in the NFL, Like this might actually be an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity for me. So it's it's just interesting how you
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  Speaker 3: go from high school you want to play on the
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  Speaker 3: varsity team do as a freshman like you, I don't
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  Speaker 3: really have a choice. You get in there and play
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  Speaker 3: and then you're like, man, I'm this is fun. I'm
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  Speaker 3: starting to have some success. And then you fast forward.
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  Speaker 3: You kind of the next thing you look forward too
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  Speaker 3: is like I love the game of football. I've had
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  Speaker 3: a ton of fun. I'd love to keep playing this
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  Speaker 3: as long as I can. So you kind of look back,
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  Speaker 3: as probably probably three quarters of the way through my
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  Speaker 3: sophomore year, you look back and you're like, these are
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  Speaker 3: the guys that I've played against. This has been their
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  Speaker 3: career in the NFL. Like maybe I got a chance.
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  Speaker 1: So there wasn't like a specific play in mind that
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  Speaker 1: you made a big play and you're like, oh shit, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I can do this. It was a reflection period for you,
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  Speaker 1: but you're going to look back and kind of be like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, all these guys are playing in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: This means I can do X, Y and Z as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just think you you know, you look at it
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, I've played in like big games. We
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  Speaker 3: played at Clemson, we played at Florida State, we played
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  Speaker 3: at Notre Dame, and you like, these are the these
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  Speaker 3: are the teams in the situations that you grew up
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  Speaker 3: watching and now you get a chance to be in them.
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  Speaker 3: And it's something I always tell guys, like, you need
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  Speaker 3: to enjoy the game because when it's gone, it's gone.
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  Speaker 3: So I was so when I was playing so laser
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  Speaker 3: focused on football in the process that you don't ever
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  Speaker 3: take a second to really look back and say, damn,
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  Speaker 3: like that was that was pretty cool? You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're sophomore junior, you're correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 2: But you led the NCAA and tackles.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we just we were on the field a lot.
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  Speaker 3: We were on the field a lot. We didn't you
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  Speaker 3: kind of we kind of really didn't have a choice.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you played eighty ninety snaps, like you got
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  Speaker 3: more opportunities especially you know. The other thing too, is
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  Speaker 3: like we weren't ahead a lot late. So you know
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  Speaker 3: what happens at the end of the game. Their teams
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  Speaker 3: are running four minute, they're gonna run the ball and
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  Speaker 3: they got they got five or six run plays, and
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna run power. They're gonna lead, and they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: run stretch. It's like perfect, all right, here we go.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: Buddy. Every time he like you'd see a statu sheet
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: on like league leaders, and he's sitting there every week
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: averaging like fifteen tackles a game. That is I'm thinking,
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: who is this louke Keekley guy from that he must
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: be on the field a lot, yeahst lot, Like the
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: excuse to the competitor makes like, oh they got.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what's funny is you look at all
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: those things and like people are lying if they don't
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: look at that stuff. Right. So then I went and
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: looked at it one time and it had number of
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: snaps played and it was like we had a gazillion.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: And then you go look at like Alabama that got
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: like Dante high Towers at Alabama, he had like half
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: the amount of snaps played that we did. Inland, Chris
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: Borland had a million.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Dog.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you were here as twenty.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Thirteen, twenty twelve, twenty that linebacker class was strong.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys had because I was twenty thirteen while
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I was undrafted. But twenty twelve you guys said it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Was you, so it was Dante Hier and then Bobby
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: got drafted in the second round. Wagner, Levonte, David Do,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Mario Davis. Yeah, there was some I'm sure I'm and
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: I'm probably missing some guys.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: But those top four that you just said tomorrow Davis, Levante,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: David yourself, with Bobby Wagner.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Three of those guys, I mean to Mario is still
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: playing with the Saints and that dude he's You look
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: at his stats and it's like, oh my gosh, like
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: what he's been able to do. Same thing with Bobby.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: The guy that I never feel like it's enough credit
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: is Levante. I love Levonte. Look at go look at
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: his his sacks, his forced fumbles and his fumber recoveries.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: He is always around the football. He's a great dude.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's phenomenal. Yesterday, the Bucks their profile posted like
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: his stats. He has sixteen hundred tackles. Right now, there's
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: only eight guys in the history of the game that
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: have over sixteen hundred tackles. Him and Bobby Wagner are
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: both still doing it.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Unbelieved guys who have those and they're not slowing down.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Bobby had over one hundred last year. I think he
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: just resigned. And then Levante signed another deal with Tampa,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: which is cool because you know, as great of his
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: career as he's had, he's been on the same team
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: the whole time.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's cool gevity that he's had. Yeah, and
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: and not get jaded over kind of being overlooked by
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: so many guys yourself at points.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I was telling JP has one Pro Bowl I believe,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: and it was as an alternate. But it's such bullshit
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: because he's like one of the most underrated players of
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: all time.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing that hurts him is that he he's
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: classified because they were four to three. He was an
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: outside linebacker, so like the prototype outside linebacker is like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: you know, the rush and the guys got fifteen sacks.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: And right that's where yeah, those those Sam and Willis
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: kind of get screwed over in the Pro Bowl because
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: the guys at their hand of the dirt.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Well, the funniest part about the Pro Bowl is that
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: they those off the ball backers. They're listed as outside linebackers.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: The only rush it's only a four down look, so
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: those guys have to play off the ball. They're playing
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: a fourth three justin Houston is playing off the ball
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: at five yards, Like what are you doing?
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they at the fourth quarter of the game.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: If it's tight, though, I'm aout to take you.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because it is.
• 16:57
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• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Were you you at IMG training for the combine?
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that where you were?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah? That's why I went as well. And that was like,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I think my first introduction to the Luke Keikley. You
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: had like yourself a little mirror, oh gosh on the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: wall and they're like, you know that guy is?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: We had?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: That was so fun?
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Dude.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: IM really is an awesome place because there's no like
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I was a big time party ring college and then
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you know, got a little straight as I got into
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the league. But like when you're in Brandington, Florida, there's
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: like newly weds and nearly dead. There's no one between.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: There's no nightlife or nothing. So it was me and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: like the thirty other guys that were training.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: That's all we had. We had like a small little shitty.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Those little apartments are just off of the IMG.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: The golf cart.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the golf cart you rip it around.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: It was the first time you had a little freedom
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: golf cart in your own place.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: But it's also well regimented. I loved it. There was
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: that were you thinking about tween there in Exos?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: No, because the guys so Markers like and then Anthony Costanzo.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: A gangster Boston College at Yeah.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: He they were the year year ahead of me in
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the draft. So Anthony got drafted first round by the Colts.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: And then Mark mark was went to the Giants and
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: those guys trained at IMG and and I went to
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: school with them and I was like guys Exos or IMG,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: and they're like just good to IMG. We went there
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: was sick we enjoyed it. It was awesome. It was sick.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're entire Yeah you work there because I AMG.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like they do it better than anybody else
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: as far as like getting guys good for the combine
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: because they don't just do the weightlifting and the running,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: but they're also they have a classrooms to go over
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: media stuff almost improvisation classes to Okay, you're thrown off
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: with this, what do you do now? What do you
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: said X, Y and z. They bring up maybe some
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: things that aren't so great about you, like how are
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you going to attack this situation? So I think I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: AMG was such a great experience.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: It's so funny you do all that work. And then
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: when I worked with the team the first year I
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: got done planing, I worked a team in the scouting department,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: and you can pull up all your profiles if you
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: know combine, and you know every every you know report
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: written on you and highweight, speed and all your tape,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and so I was like, I got bored one day.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I looked at it and I looked at my combine
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: interview with the Panthers. It's a disaster. Really Yeah, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: was like sitting had my glasses on. I was nervous.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I was probably sweating, and I was supers like they'd
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: asked me a question bike, Yes that's cover four, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, gosh, you suck.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: You sound so bad, right, that's how obviously getting drafted,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Like I met with the Titans, and I was probably
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the same way, but a year removed. Seeing those same
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: familiar faces now in that room. Yeah, how image you are.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Oh you're so scared man, And because the train station
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: is no joke.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that that combine experience was your Did you
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: have a good combine experience?
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I really yeah, I really enjoyed it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I think that first night of those interviews, because you
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: have the train station, which is like they can just
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: come and grab you, obviously, and then the one on
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: ones or they put you in the room where it's
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: only fifteen minutes and half the first two minutes three
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: minutes of them introducing themselves, in the last two or
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: three minutes of them leave you leaving, so it's only
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: like a ten minute window. And then they're peppering you
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: with questions and I'm nervous. You're at it's your job
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: interview and you're trying to put your best foot forward,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: and I was just nervous and I was sitting in
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: there just and I was like, I would not draft
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: that guy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well the combine is so crazy as everyone sees
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: what happens when you're running and benching and jumping all that,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: but really all the scary shit happened.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Oh that's three four days prior.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: When you get to go run, you're find like, thank
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: god it's over. Yeah, because you get there the first
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: day and it's like kind of introductions. Hey, this is
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. This is your land yard, this is
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the train station works, this is how your official meetings work.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Four am you have a pissed test. Yeah, so it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: like the number one rule is like just do not
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: miss it and make sure you don't piece. So I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: remember I was roommates with Zach Martin.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Took shoes and we put it on top of the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: toilet seat just in case you wake up in the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: middle night and try to go pee, and we would
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like be like a little Countabillo buddies, make sure we're
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: all up together.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what you need because you're nervous because you're
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: up at.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Four am for a drug test, and then it's meetings
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: all day, MRIs the middle of the day, and then
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: back to the train station.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Everything else.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Well, were you a weight guy, did you have to
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: keep weight on?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I was always a guy that had to gain weight.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, they get you there and then
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you can't eat as much as you typically do. There's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: no scale, so then when you have to go weigh in,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: you don't know how much you weigh right, and they're like, Luke,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you need to be over two hundred and forty pounds.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: So you're just in there chugging.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And they have the worst fucking snacks. But it's all
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: like cups, the skittles and shit, Like, I guess this
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: is what I'm doing.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I gotta do it. I gotta drink, I gotta eat something. Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I always did a great job having like food waiting
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: for you. Hav himself a little area where you go
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: with a backpack.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: And they just stuffed it with everything. I'll tell you
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: what the combine it was. I loved it. It was
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: so cool because you grow up watching it. You don't
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: really grow up watching training at IMG, like you don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: really understand that. But you grow up and you watch
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: these guys run the forty and jump and bench and
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: do all that stuff. And then you get there and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: you're like, this is sweet. I get to do It's
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: like your first step to the NFL. Doris. I had
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: to do it. I had to do them on my
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: knees and I had something on my elbow, but like,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: not a not a ton. I was pretty lucky.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: It's funny too, how much everybody? Because I know Levante
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: him being like an undersized guy. Guy's just obsessing over
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: hitting a certain weight. Got to weigh in just so
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you hit the metric, like Levante always played like in
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the like like two twenty to two twenty five. But
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: he's like, I have to be like two hundred and
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: thirty three pounds.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? I never weighed to forty ever again
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: in my life.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but on that little stat sheet says toy.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: And you're like, yeah, every don't don't skip me a pound.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: When you step on the scale two and you saw
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: two forty two, how juice that thing kept ticking up?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, yes, dude, you know another
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: thing that's kind of a sleeper. Did they have the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: little egg pods?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you do that afterwards.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we would do those IMG like every couple
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of weeks. I guess if anything's gonna fucking change, But
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: my body fat would be like I don't know, like
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: twenty or nineteen or something like that. Okay, but it
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: had to be in those rooms. They had to have
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a certain pressure for those that read correctly. Yeah, So
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: when I got to the combine, they hadn't made this
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: open room where it was like being opened and closed
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch, So my body fat was read at like
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: fifteen percent. Yes, I'm like, oh, I made a four
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: percent jump in a week.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I thought I was killing I've been on my shit, Yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I've been on it. What was the most nerve wracking
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: part for you at the combine from from the like
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: athletic standpoint.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Oh Man, probably the forty yeah, because that was the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: question was how how much you're gonna weigh and what
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: are you gonna run? So I actually had to run it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I ran the forty three times. You mess up on one,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: so the first one I run it goes really well.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Second one, because you know you can't see it, you
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: got to find ways to like get it. You know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you look at your phone and somebody texts you, but.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It's not They don't do that anymore.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Do you watch it now?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Now they have people in the stands and they show
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: your four.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: That's kind of nice because.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It was the same way for me too, where you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: go up and like a couple of the guys you're like, hey,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: what I run Like they're saying.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: X, Y and Z. Yeah. So then second one comes up,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: and you know, when you get in that forty start,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: there's holes because everybody's been there, so everybody takes like
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: the same like first two steps, so there's kind of
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: an indentation in the ground. And I was off just
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to half step to the left, and I took my
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: first step out and I stepped kind of in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: whole sideways and I turned right real fast and almost
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: ran into the the laser reader and then straighten it
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: out and I ran like it was I ran like
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: four to nine, and I was like, oh gosh, that
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: was you said that was the second one. That was
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: the second one, the first one. The first one was
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: like four or five. And then I go four to
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: nine and this guy comes up to me and he's
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: like he's like, hey, you're gonna probably have to run
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: another one. We got a bad reading on either the
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: first or the second one, and I was like, oh no.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Did you know at the point too that you had
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: ran a four or five In the first one, Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I knew I ran well. And then the second one,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I knew I stepped in the hole. And I'm like, okay,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: this kind of makes sense. So then everybody had to
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: go run their second one. So I was the last
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: guy after the last guy in the in the line
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: to go run again, and I ran it again. I
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: looked at it. Guys like, how is that. He's like,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: you'll be good. I was like, all right, perfect, you'd
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: be good.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: He's like, he's like, the middle one must have gotten
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: messed up. But it was I stepped in, I stepped
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: in a hole, or I stepped my step was bad
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: or something. But you know, it's so nerve wracking. That's
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: like the only thing that matter.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: What's that you didn't want to focus on getting a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: tan before the combine?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Of course? Not you look faster that did you have
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: the task?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Did you ever last in the four fours?
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: No?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think we ever really ran. I think we
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: ran a forty Like the first week we were there,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: and then everything was just segmented out out. You work
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: on starts, flying twenties, you know, flying forties, so you
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: never really get a true number for what you're gonna run,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: but you have an idea like I felt good, I
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: felt strong, I felt my starts were good. And then
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it's like, just go. It looks so stiff running it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: But I know because it will, and I am You're
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: trying to do everything you're training. You're like elbows and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: this and that and relax your face. I remember I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: ran a forty when we first the forty IMG, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I was like a five to one.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, there's no fucking way. I'm like, I'm
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a sub five guy, no doubt. But I was like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: trying to like mechanically do exactly what they were saying
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the whole time to where it was just awful.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Part of me thinks that they click it a little
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: bit slower.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I thought the same.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: So they're like, you ran you ran five four, so
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: then when you run four nine, they're like, look what we.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Did half second faster. We're the greatest thing.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: They were unbelievable. Lauren Seagrave was was he there be
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: He was unbelievable.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Older older guy.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always wore orange, always war orange.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: He had the really shocking shoes. And then who was
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the chick from London? Did you have the girl?
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: She was a yeah she was Yeah, she was a
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: great running coach. I can't remember her name right now,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: which kind of sucks.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: It was I had a ton of like everything that
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: they did there was a reason why they did it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: It's not like we just showed up and they're like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: all right, you're gonna do this and right, and I
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: remember running like the short shuttle. It was footwork. It
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: was like seven or eight steps, right, it's all.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: The five in the five ten five because in fact,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: if I was like two three two or something like somebody,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they had like numbers to it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You're like, okay, you're somebody who could like skip over
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to the first five and just get in like two steps.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, this was amazing, like all that stuff
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: that you put in for you know, there's Laurence c
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Grave right there.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: That yeah, he is awesome.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: He was great dude.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if you felt this way, But
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: after I ran the forty and I got the time
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that I wanted. It felt like everything else was just
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: cake after that. Yeah, because it's so stressful when you're
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: standing up because we had what number were you? Do
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you remember for the combine?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I don't so what I was thirteen, maybe I don't know, Yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I was twenty three. And my whole thing was like,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to go first. So I was like, oh,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I'm twenty three. Last name is Lawan, I'll be I'll
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: be solid. Well, they broke it up groups, so it
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: was one through twenty two, so I was the first
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: guy to go in the second group and they're like,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: we're all kind of warming up. Everyone's so stressed out. Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that's my Beyonce walk.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: And you see that tan you look, Yeah, you look
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: like you're you look like you're about fifteen percent right there. Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the body comp said. But that chick
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that I can't remember her name, the one from one,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and she's like, hey, when you run go to the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: back of the platform and have your Beyonce walk, like
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: every the whole combine everyone you're waiting on everybody. Yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: but once you do that, it's now your time. You
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: take as long as you need whatever, And so I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: took all the time in the world because I was
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: my heart's racing right there, my little gazelle you see
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: on the back too.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: How'd you think your walk was? You give the thumb out.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I was so I was thinking about okay, steps, you're
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: moving your little feetback, and you're just thinking, please don't
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: get called back on this start. That was what I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was most nervous about because learning IMG, they basically tell
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you like your first start's gonna be your best one
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: or your first two. After that you kind of like
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: your brain fucks up in your CNS or something. So
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: it was once I ran that and I got back
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to the boys, mim, hey, they're saying four nine right now,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I know I'm selling.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel good about it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Is there a team you felt like you knocked it
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: out of the park with in the interview process? Oh?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Man, you know what?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Not?
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Really? I don't, really, I don't that was I don't
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: remember that. I thought the stuff with the Panthers went
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: really good because so Ron Rivera obviously play with the Bears.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: My high school road roommate was Mike Morrissey. He was
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: two years older than I am. I was, and he
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: was a great older guy. So when we when we
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: went on trips on the road, he was my roommate
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: for away games. His dad played with the eighty five
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: on the eighty five Bears to played with the Bears
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: like ten years and he played linebacker with with Rivera.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: So I remember going to the combine and be like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know any of these guys, but I know
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: that Jim Morrissey and Mike Morrisey have said really good
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: things about coach Rivera and his experience with them and
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: their friendship and playing together in Chicago. So I'm like,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: at least I have one guy that I kind of
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: have a connection to. So that one was out of
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: all of them, it was probably the easiest one after
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I said how bad my interview was on that video.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: But I felt probably the most comfortable with them because
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I felt like there was a little bit of a
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: connection there.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Did you know, did you feel really confident that I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: was going to go to Panthers that grabbed you in
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the first round.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I thought there was a chance, so you kind of
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: looked at like teams that I took a visit to Carolina,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: so I met with them at the Combine. I took
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: a visit down there pre draft, and I kind of
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: knew like nine to fifteen to twenty because fifteen was
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Seattle and they drafted Bruce Irving. Bruce Irving and then
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: they ended up with Bobby in the second round, so
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: they were going to draft a linebacker. I thought Buffalo
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: was at ten. I think they drafted Stefan Gilmour from
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: sc and so I thought it was going to be
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: one of those teams. I also took a visit to Tennessee,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: so I think it was they Actually that was.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did draft a linebacker and it was
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Zach Brown.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Zach Brown, he was.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Trent Richardson.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know where they drafted what point?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, scrolled down a little bit. I want to see
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: what they took.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Are you talking about the Titans?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Kendall?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, damn the would have got him anyway, you knew, Yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: True should have traded up yea. But yeah, so you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: do you did you have any did you have a
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: place you wanted to go? Like you looked at it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I thought Carolina would have been cool. I had some
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: family that was down there. I was familiar. I liked
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: it because Iran. That was the biggest thing that thought
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: was cool was that I knew him and they spoke
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: so highly of him. And he was a linebacker and
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: he coached like Irlacker and Briggs. Yeah he's with San
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Diego names with the Bears. It just it felt I
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: was like, that'd be a cool place.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: How was it when you first got there? How how
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: was he as a as a coach? Because since you
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: were a backer.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: He was phenomenal. He was like he did a really
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: good job of separating being the head coach, but also
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: like he wanted to be a player again, so he'd
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: be in the locker room, he talk to guys, he
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: was he'd have you over to the house. He just
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: made you feel very comfortable. So I always felt like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: you know, he was obviously the head coach, but he
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: felt like a guy that he just wanted he wanted
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: to help you. He wanted to put you in a
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: position to be successful. It was awesome. I couldn't have
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: been in a better spot as far as just the
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: people that were there. Sean mcdermo is a defensive coordinator.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think that I could have ended up in
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: a better system for to play linebacker with that four
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: down look. I played Mike, which was if I was
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: playing Will. I was struggled because in space you're matched
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: up on receivers. It's just bad news. Yeah, but you
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: can run, Yeah, you can run straight.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: But you Julio Jones, did you know he did what
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: he did? But everybody's getting.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure they can
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: pull a picture of that up.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: There.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: It is. It's yeah, the right, you know that's that's
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: not even the best one. There's one that's like two pictures,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: three pictures to the right on that search.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That one looks better. That one looks actually, matter of fact,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: take me how much higher he is there? Take me
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: to the ground. He just because you're running with him,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: quarters and you're competitive by one.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: So it's quarters. And if you have speed at number three,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: which Julio definitely accounts for that, you get a backside
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the backside quarters defender on the hash helps you out
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: get your three daggs. Yeah, we called it. We called
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: it a fat call. But yeah, same thing right now,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you understand my struggle. And they motioned the empty and
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh man.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: So for the people listening when they motioned empty one.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Now there's no more facts or there's no more help
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: from that.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the emotion to emotions.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: This looks so this look. You know what Matt Ryan's
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: saying right here is my guy's just better than all
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: of you because he looks like he's covered.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you're you are covering.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: So I'm running down the field. I'm like, man, I
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: am in good shape. They throw that ball and I'm like,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I am in great shape. I can't see him, but
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I know he's behind me. I reach up and all
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I hear is and it's the ball hitting his hands
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: and me falling down and my face hitting the ground,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and I just hear the crowd explode and I run
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and I and I remember I picked my head up,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: and the only thing I remember him seeing is like,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: you know when these guys used to score and they
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: like this as they run the end zone. I just
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: saw him do that look at me, just face face,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: face down, and I'm trying to I'm hearing the crowd
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: scream right now. And then I picked my head up,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: did you? And they right at the end, they show
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: him kind of right there. That's what I see when
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I look up, I see that, I see it, says
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I can't even see the name Jones because he's tilted
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: forward like that. And then I get to the sideline
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: and my coach is like, hey, you know you're supposed
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: to be on him, right, I was like, you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I was, I know, I was.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Is the craziest.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: You're a mic linebacker.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: You're coaching Keekley and Julio Jones and scores on a
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: competitive ball, and you're like, I.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Mean a competitive competitive competitive is a nice way to
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: say it. I mean it looked competitive, and then when
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the ball got thrown that the competition kind of went
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: out the window a little bit.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Let this play a little bit.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I'm running, he's running like three quarter speed. I'm running
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: literally as fast as I can, and he's still running
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: away from me.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Your safety over top was trying to get in on
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the action.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I mean, he looks covered right there.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: It's he's he's covered, and right he just throws the
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: ball up for him. Yeah. Look, I'm trying to pull
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: through the I'm trying to pull through the pocket.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: The pocket.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to pull through the pocket. He just kind
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: of big boyed me there a little bit. God.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, you see a guy like Julio Jones.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: You know, if you get me, you don't have to
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: give me excuse. You just say that you got you
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: got that. That was on Randy Moss's You got Moss
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the next week, So you always want to be on
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: you Got Moss as a little kid. But not for
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: that reason, not that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Way at all. Was that?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: What is like your toughest play, that the worst moment you've.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Had, the worst?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Was that?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: It?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: No?
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: That wasn't it because I kind of felt like the
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: best I could have done, you know, give effort was strong.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: It's just kind of like, hey, hey, man, like just
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: better than you?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Better for that moment.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's yeah, he's just better. I remember my rookie year,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: we were playing Seattle and it was Russ. Russ was
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: a quarterback. Russ and I trained together at the combine
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: for the combine. Remember, he breaks contain, He's running to
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: his right. He breaks contain. Obviously he's running down the field.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I'm in coverage. So he crossed the line of scrimmage.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I'm I was like, I'm gonna crush him. And he's
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: running and he's running like almost straight at me. I've
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: got a great angle and he's running like this and
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I'm running like that. I'm like, I'm gonna crush him.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: The last second, right before about to hit me, puts
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: his left foot, left foot in the ground and cuts
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: back this way, and I'm getting ready to just like
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: fall into the tackle. And I turn and look. Guess
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: who was running mock five at my face? That rust
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: set up? Mike Robinson, remember him, Penn State guy. He
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: he hit me. He hit me so hard that I
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: don't really I didn't even feel it. It wasn't a
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: dirty hit. He didn't me in the head. He just
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: hit me and I just crumpled to the ground. And
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I remember like looking up and he just smiled at me,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: and I was like, you got me. He's like, I know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I know. So it was that was that was you
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: talked about, like welcome to the NFL, your rookie moment.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: That was one of them. And then we played, uh
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: played Tampa my rookie year at home. Was it was
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: we were up at the end of the game, we
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: were probably up six or seven points. They ran a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: vertical ball, three verticals in cover four and I was
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: matched up on Vincent Jackson and Josh Freeman throws this
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: great back shorlder ball to him, and I thought I
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: had him covered in college. You eat, you're close to him,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: he's covered. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: a back shoulder ball was, and so I'm running with
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: him and then all of a sudden, he spins. He
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: opens up and he puts his hands backside and he
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: catches this football. And I was like, how that happened?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Like somebody stuf. You score a touchdown, they tied it up,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: they go to overtime, We lose an overtime. So it
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: was just like one of those things where you don't
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: you're just naive and then something happens in a game
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: and you're like, Oh, that's what they were, that's what
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: a back shoulder ball was. In that ball, I was.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, I felt like I was in great position,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: but the ball was a little perfect. My awareness was zero,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: and he just put it on his back shoulder. Of
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Vincent Jackson opened up and caught that ball, and I
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: was like, that sucks.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So did you really not have a TV in your apartment?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: You're rookie?
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: That's so uh? No, I had I had everything. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: had no, the what happened. So what happened? So what
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: happened was so it happened going into my the the
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: rumor was going into my second year, I've moved apartments
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: like and end of July. So then you know, going
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: into July, you're going in the training camp for the
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: first like three or four weeks of the season, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I just it was on the back burner for to
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: set up cable. I had my Internet set up, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't need cable for this first
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: like six eight weeks because I'm never gonna be here.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: So I didn't have it set up, and somehow one
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: of my buddies got wind of it and it just
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: turned in this It just turned into the this whole thing.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Where so that came from one of your buddies in
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the locker room.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I came to the locker room like hey, did
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: you watch Like somebody's like, hey, you've been watching whatever.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't have I don't have
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: the cable set up in my tea in my in
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: my apartment. Yet they're like why not? Was like, I
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: just moved. I didn't have time to set it up.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Like we just went to training camp, like I hear
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: very much anyway, So when I get back from after
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: training camp, I'll get it set up. So that was
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: like what had happened. Everyone's like, you didn't have TV.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not a psychopath.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Very much. Frame like that. Yeah, which is I just
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: pictured you in a carpeted room with a blow up mattress. Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: maybe a hyperbaric chamber.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just paper plates in a microwave and macaroni and
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: cheese and ramen microwave.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It takes out too much nutrients.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: For Yeah, there it is right there.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: God, Yeah, that that is one of the things.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: That like, look at that just I mean, that's an
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: insane throwing catch. And then they went for two. They're down,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: they're down, They're down eight. So then they got to
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: two conversion afterwards and I ran into the goalposts and
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: that was like insult the injury, Like I just got
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I just got worked and I just got crushed by
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the post. Watch this, look at my leg. God sucks.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: And then you turn around and then you turn and
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: then you look up and you're like he definitely caught it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: And look at the official. It's like he was waiting
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: to do that to make sure you were taking a
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: peek for yeah. Yeah, yeah, he scored.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, nobody touched that ball.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Oh dang, look at me. I'm like, gosh, I suck
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: good hit flexibility though, or I was twenty one, so
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: it didn't really matter the defensive player rookie the year though.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: But luckily they didn't see that play. Yeah, but how
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: awesome is that? It was cool? It was fun. I
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: mean it was uh.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: You just.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: To have the opportunity to play like that as much
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: as I did as a rookie was so cool. In
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: a great system.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: That system was set up for linebackers to just run around.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: It was cover three, Cover four, a little bit of man.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: We had really good guys in front of us. Our
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: defensive line was sick, and they called plays that highlighted
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the linebackers. So it was Thomas and I. So John Beeson,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I'll talk about who is it Thumper who I talked about? Like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: so go back to college with Hurzlik and Mike mcloffin,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: like great older veteran guys that had no their pride
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: never got in the way. They were just there to
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: help you. Mike Morrissey, the guy I talked about that
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: new ron and those guys were so helpful. And then
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: when I got to Carolina it was the same way.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: So when I got there, it was James Anderson was
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: coming off her career year, Baste was coming back from
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: an achilles All Pro Pro Bowl or like the dude
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: in the middle like a stud, and then Thomas was
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: coming back from his thirty ACL. Thomas at full speed
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: was what Thomas was for sixteen years in the NFL.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: And then me, so there was four of us. I
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: was the rookie. BS and TD were coming back from
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: substantial injuries and achilles in an ACL, and then James,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: excuse me, was gonna play obviously healthy, had a great
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: year coming off a good year. So I remember I
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: showed up my rookie of my first days there. TD
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: comes in and and he's like, hey, I'm Thomas, here's
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: my number, lock me in. You need anything, let me know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: And I was like, that's just an older guy coming
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: in and like checking a box and doing all this stuff.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: But it was he was the best helpful, talked you
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: through things, taught you stuff, where to who to talk
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: to to, you know, chiropractors, where to just where to
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: do everything. In Charlotte. He was fantastic. How to practice,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: how to be tough, how to play hurt like all
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: that stuff. And then Beasts was Beascott hurt. Pascott put
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: on IR. I think after the Atlanta game, my rookie heear,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: which was like week or week two or three, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: so then I slid from outside linebacker to inside linebacker
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: at Mike Beasta spot. And all Beasts ever did was
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: help me, sat next to me in meetings, talked to me,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: watch tape with me. Hey, this is how I this
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: is how I played cover two, and this is why.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: This is what my eyes looked like. There was never
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: there was never any sense of like you're playing Mike
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: your first round pick, like I'm hurt. I've been hurt
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: two years in a row. Maybe there was never like
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I'm worried about my job. It was how can I
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: help you? So I think, you know. I was always
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: very fortunate to have guys like that through my football
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: career high school, college and then Beasts and Thomas and
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: James and a guy named Jordansen who was played with
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: us for a long time. He was like a could
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: play all three spots, big time teamer, but was very
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and smart, very intelligent, great with his body. He sat
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: right next to me in the locker room and he
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: would just all he ever did was just help me.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: So I just a great coach with Ron and mcdee
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: was a decoordinator and then those guys around me. It
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: was like a perfect situation.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Dude TD had a hell of a career.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And able to come back and play the way yea.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And I met him out at one of the NFL
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: one of the NFLPA meetings, and this dude you see
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: like burger and fries and that's was rever. He sits there,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, are you eating like this throughout the season.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, I eat whatever I want all the time,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: which is buddy, how in the do you do that?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I think some of those guys like that's just they're
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: more that's just what they're their best at. Like this
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: is what he plays, this is what he's how his
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: body reacts the best, and that's what he's gonna do.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: But his like six inch snap was un He was
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: so fast, so explosive snap, ultra physical and just a
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: great guy to watch as far as how to do things.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Just a dangerous linebacker.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Just tough, high effort, ultra competitive, you know, like all
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: those things that require no athletic ability. It's all like decisions,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: like you know, you are what you are athletically you are,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: how high weight, speed, whatever, you make a decision, how
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: tough you are, how physically you are, how hard you play,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: and how much it matters to you, like those are
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: things that you control, and he was it was great
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: to see that from an older guy as a young guy, like,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: these are non negotiables that you make the decision when
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: you walk on the field you're gonna do it a
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: certain way.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a great leadership. Yeah, walking and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: helping you out on that road. Yeah, that's an unreal
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: when you you obviously there's such a conversation revolved around
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you about like calling out plays and did you already
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: have that capability to break down film or did those
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: guys were they a big part of teaching you that stuff.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: So I was fortunate in high school. Our high school
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: coach would bring us down to his office during lunch
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: and he'd put on a VHS tape and we'd eat
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: lunch down there and he'd put the tape on the
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: tape would just run and we could like rewind it
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: if we wanted to. But then you don't really understand
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: why you're doing that until you know you're in the
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: game and you're like, oh, I saw that and when
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: we were watching tape with coach, and usually it's after
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: the fact, so it's like very like retrospective. But you
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: start to figure out, like, oh, I can get a
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: real advantage by watching tape. So we kind of did
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: that in high school. And then I got to college
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: and there's a guy, another guy, Wes Davis. He was
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: a safety California guy, super smart, intelligent, big tape guy.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: So when you get to college, you know it's like
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: you can you can watch whatever you want. You can
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: sort it however you want to watch it, personnel formation
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: down a distance. You know, it is whatever you want.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: So I go in there and I'm like this is
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: too much for me, dand I got to figure out
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: how to do this. So I would go watch tape
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: with Wes. This is as a freshman, and you know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Wes would be in there and he'd be like, all right,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: he imagine we're playing Cover four and you get this,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: like how you playing it? So you start to figure
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: out all right, I can match my call up with
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: the play, so when I watch, when I watch tape,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I can envision myself in that situation. So that was
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: kind of like the first step. And then the second
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: step would be Wes would be in meetings and say,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: all right, he's like this, this gives us problems in
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: cover three, and in my head, I'm like, I don't
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: really know what that means. Bout like sure, So he'd
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: be like, this is why it gives us problems. He's like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: if I see this look in a game, I'm gonna
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: let you know and then we'll just kind of play
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: it like this, you know, you kind of play the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: play a little bit. And he's like, all right, i'm
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: gonna give you heads up in the game when we're
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: gonna get it. He's like, I'm gonna tell you when
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: to play it a certain way and we'll being good jape.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: I was like great. So then comes up in a game,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Wes gives me like a nod and I'm like, hey,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: you know, I like give him a nod back because yeah, hey,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: what's up, And the play would happened and I would
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: just be aloof and be like, I gave you a nod.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, I gave you one back. He's like, no,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: that was it. So then just slowly, over time you're like, okay,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: now I understand why he's watching tape. So you watch tape,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: you understand situations, and you pick stuff up and you
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: accumulate knowledge, and over time you just understand, like, this
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: is how teams really want to run the football, This
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: is how it matches up against our defense. These are
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: the top formations. I mean, you know how it is.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: It's like if it's two by two and the tight
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: ends on the line of scrimmers, their top ron concepts
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: are probably this, this and this right. And once you
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: know that, then it's like, all right, So if we're
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: in an overfront and they run that first run play
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and we're in this defense, who's gonna to block me? Okay,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: this guy's gonna block me. All right. Say they run
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: the other play and this same defense, same front, Boom this,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Now this guy's gonna block me. And you go through that,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: and then when practice rolls around you get it. And
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: then when the game rolls around, it's like, all right,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: here's my formation, here's my my, my, my call on defense,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: this is how we're lined up, the ball gets snapped,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I get my one read from whoever I'm reading Boom.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Now I know who's gonna block me. I know where
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: the ball is gonna go. I have to beat that
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: guy in the run game, whoever's gonna block me, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: then I'm clean to the football. You know, one guy's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: blocking you on each play. So if I know top
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: run concepts, I know how it fits within our defense.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I know where I line, I know where my stressors are.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: The ball gets snapped, I read Boom. Now I know
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: who's gonna block me. Now I have now I already
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: have a plan of attack. Well, how I'm gonna get
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: after him before the ball gets snapped. So then you're
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: playing the game before the ball gets snapped, and then
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: everything just slows down as the ball gets snapped. So
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I it was just because you got to like, you
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: know what is you gotta This is a bad play
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: right here. So I remember exactly this play. So Andy Gallax,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the center you guys ran and it was like a
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: split zone. Look, split zone. Hang on, we're in man
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: coverage and we're in it's an in and out, so
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: safety down here. Yeah, So TD and I are like
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: the in and out guys. So my guy goes back
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: across the formation at the tight end. I got to
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: fall back in a pass in pass game, but if
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: it's a run, I got to stay front side. So
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: it was a run. I see the guy go back
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: across the formation. I fall back, and this ball stays
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: front side. And look where it hits. I get blocked
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: by I think Andy Gallax. The center's a BC guy.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Looks where it gets hit, probably right where it should be.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Kind of a disaster. Who's yeah, yeah, yeah, so disaster.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: This is a touchdown. I mean the dexter mccluster on
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: this touchdown here.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: So was this twenty fifteen?
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were bad then too. How would you three
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: and thirteen year for us? How did your prep develop
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: like in the league, like a you are how are
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: you breaking down each day like on Monday or you
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: first second down?
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, run conflict. So like Monday was so you know, Monday,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: you come in, you get a workout, flush, watch the
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: watch the game from the night before and kind of
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: our day before whatever, make your corrections, and then I'd
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: always watch two first halves of the team that we
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: were playing and just get like general feel and I
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: always feel like first halves for better because you got
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: to you got to feel for who they were, right,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: So I think about or like think about, like, say
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: we're watching We're watching the Titans, and I watched the
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: whole game. Maybe in the second half, you guys are
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: up big, and so now you guys are running the
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: ball a little bit more. Maybe the past game is
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: not as aggressive. They're different than what they want to
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: be coming out right first in the first half, like
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: your first fifteen, your first probably twenty five plays or
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: things that you guys have really thought about, your top
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: concept stuff like that. So I'd watch two first halfs
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: and just get a feel for, like, you know, what
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: do they look like up front? You know, are they
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: like for example, we play the Falcons, right, Alex Mack
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: like big, athletic, smart, ranging, really good player, Like damn,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I got my work cut out for this guy. And
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: then you go, you know, in the backfield, it was
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Tevin Coleman. He's like big, kind of a slasher, like
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: one cut wide zone type guy. Devonte Freeman is like
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit of shake good burst, could run physical,
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: not a real big guy but gets lost and like
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: is a firm really good. I thought he was really
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: good and if he could speed you up, slowly down,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: run through you, and then you look on the outside
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: of Austin Hooper was the tight end. And then it
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: was like Roddy White and Julio Jones. You're like, all right, boom,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: so like this is how they look up front, this
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: is what they look like in the backfield. Like, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: we play the Falcons. You don't really need to watch
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: mad a whole lot because you got a really good
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: feel for We played him twice a year. He's he's
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Matt Ryan. You know, you know, need to take a
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: ton of notes on that, but you get a feel
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: for all right, Kyle Shanahan, wide zone shifts and motions.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: They're going to try to get you in a compromise position.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: They went to run the ball to the bubble. So
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: that's Monday, and just it's like click through like click
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: through stuff real quick. Tuesday.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Are you a big notes guy or are you just notes?
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Because that helps me if I write it, then it
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: helps me remember.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: And this Monday, you're not necessarily take knows you're just
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: feeling the game. Yeah, feeling the process.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Of the game.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and feel them and like I'll write down some
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: notes like if they've got a dude that I'm not
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: used to playing against, or I haven't seen a lot
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: of them, Like this is like offensive line moves really well.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Center fifty one is a really good player. Running backs,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: this is how these guys feel because I always felt
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: like with running backs, if you don't play against them
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: a lot, you don't know how they like feel on contact.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: And I didn't like that, Like I want to know
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: early in the game, how do you feel you firm
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: like stuff like that, And I felt like that was
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: one thing that I always wanted to watch during the
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: week is how do they run? How do they take contact?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Do they like contact? Like are they a stiff arm
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: guy or they what do they like doing? Because then
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: in the game you got to have a plan. I mean,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: you'll play Marshawn Lynch. You can't just like run in
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: there and I hope you're gonna get them on the ground.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: So then I would take light notes on that and
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: just get a feel because mentally, I was like Monday
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: was a day where I'm like I need to kind
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: of break it up a little bit. So if I
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: took a ton of notes, I'm like, this is just
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: too much mentally. Then Tuesday you come in, hit a
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: little workout, and then I'd watch run games. So our
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: coaches did a good job of breaking down run game
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: based on like formation, down a distance, excuse me, top concepts,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: and then I would go and highlight like four games
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: and then you know, you can sort everything, So i'd
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: sort it by like personnel. It's like, all right, I
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: want to I want to see all their twelve personnel runs,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: and then like, how do they run the ball to
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: twelve personnel? So three by one is it two by two?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Do they like running twelve personnel and putting the t
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: the tight end in the backfield? Because if so, now
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: it turns into like two back run versus like if
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: they're in a wing or double like ace both on
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Now it's like one back run twelve. Yeah,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: so it's like a completely different concept. So I want
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: to know what they do, and then I would break
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: it down by like personnel, group, then formation, and then
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: top concepts inside the formation. I'd take notes on all
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: those and just chart it, cause like it took a
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: lot of time, but I felt like if I could
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: write it down, then I would remember it. Better, so
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: then and by Tuesday I usually had I usually had
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: the game plan like first and second dound game plan,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: So then I'd watch all that chart everything, watch those games,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: and then I'd watch a full game after that and
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: then see how it fits, so like when do they
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: run it? Like when are they eleven, when are they twelve?
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: What are they like doing out of thirteen? When do
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: they do it in a game? And like what's the
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: game flow? And then you could call I could call
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: defenses within that within that watching that game, so you know,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: first and ten the first quarter, like all right, I
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: was gonna play cover three, So line up and cover three,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: see my overfront, See where I got a line, see
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: where rotation is, and then kind of go through it
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: that way, and then you know, just kind of buzz
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: through it like that. So then you get a feel
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: for how they want to run the ball out of formations.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: You get a good feel for what they are, and
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: then you see how it applies to the game and
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: how they get to stuff. And then I can apply
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: our first and second down game plan to that and
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: just run through that. And then Wednesday, after practice, I'd
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: do the same thing, but with first and second down pass,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: So break it down the same way and see how
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: the run game matches with pass.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Game, what conflicts you could potential.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: What conflicts, And then like you start to figure out,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: like are they a formation based team in the sense
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: of do they run plays, run plays and pass plays
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: out of formations? So regardless what the personnel is, Like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: if it's three by one wing, they could run that
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: at eleven, they could run it at twelve, they could
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: run out of thirteen, They could run it at ten
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: if they wanted. But it's the same run concept and
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: they're just looking for the best matchup within personnel groupings
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: that run that run play. Or are they a personnel
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: group team where in eleven these are their top five
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: run concepts, and then in twelve they want to run this,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: and then thirteen they start getting heavy. It's like short yardage.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: They're going to play too heavy a wing and a
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: backside tight end and it's going to be like load
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: power counter o. Why three poolers going somewhere? Or are
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: they just like I said, a formation based team. So
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: then as the week goes on, you get a feel
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: for what this team wants to do, why they want
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: to do it, how they get to it. Are they
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: a shift motion team? Do they build sets? Because the
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: only thing that matters in football is what's the final formation?
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: So are they stagnant or do they line up in
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: three by one and then shift to two by two
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: and then motion this guy across to three by one.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I don't care about any of that. I just want
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: to know results. What's the final result of the formation
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: is what I want to get to and how they
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: do it. So when the game comes around, you're not like, oh,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: well it's three by one. But I didn't anticipate them
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: get into it at Like, no, I already knew that
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be a heavy shift, heavy motion. My brain's
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: already turned onto it. So when they get to when
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: they start to move guys, it's like I've already prepared
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: myself for this. And then third down you just watch
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: it by you know, down the distance and then watch
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: another game and see kind of out all ties together.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: And then Friday was red Zone and special So like
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: if we were playing you know, cal or Alvin Kamara, like,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: you can get a lot of matchups on one of
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: them if we play man coverage, Like I don't.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I don't like that matchup you'll be able to get
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: the rat in this situation, or like stay in the box.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: And if I get put in a bad situation, I
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: need to have a plan of attack of like does
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: he like moving off a certain foot, how does he stem?
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Where does he get uncomfortable? Where does his move area
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: out of the backfield? Where does he like going? And
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: then so when you get in that situation, if it's man,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: you're like, all right, Like, he's a better athlete than me.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: He's henna probably make me miss a bunch, But like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: here's my plan of attack that I've already thought about
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: on Friday. So when it comes around in the game,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: you're like, all right, I'm good, Like, yeah, this is
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: my plan of attack, and like I feel good about it,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to go attack him and if it works, great,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: If not, like I feel good about what I did
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: going into the game.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how big of a role did the TV copy?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Love? TV copy?
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: The TV copy is that where you found the checks
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and oh yeah, stuff like that.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: So you just I would just watch like the All
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: twenty two and then anytime the quarterback comes to the
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, you turn on the TV copy and
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: see what you got everything that he says. You got
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: to listen to it and write it down, and then
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: you got to check it a few times.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: You know, you remember any teams that were changing their
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: verbiage because they essentially knew that they were playing against you.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: No, if I didn't, if I didn't, if I didn't
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: know a word, I never guessed. But like you always
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: have to, it's always just like it's a n TD.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: It was probably like salt pepper.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that tells yeah, salt and pepper. So that was
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: was used in the Super Bowl, and I thought salt
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: was left and pepper was right because salt isn't and
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: pepper was right because they.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Had white black they had background there in a black
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: line background.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: They had salt, salt, salt, you're white. Hey my head,
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: it looks like hey, something on the same page with you.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Because inside inside that game, so inside the game, they
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: said like Tiger and and Paradis. Matt Parrotis was the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: center and he and he said Tiger Tiger, and one
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: of the offensive lineman was like huh and he said
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: tiger er. I was like, ah, you're going to the right.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: So I took that forward to salt and Pepper, and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: I remember having an argument with TD about it, and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: we get in the sideline and I'm like, I don't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: know why they called Pepper, and they and they went
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: to you. I was on the right side or whatever,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: the left side, they're right, And He's like, no, you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: missed the whole thing, Salt, you're white Pepper. I was like, ah,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: it makes sense now, even the crafty Oh my gosh,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: it's so funny man.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, there's definitely like a crazy amount
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: of you calling out those plays, Like what do you
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: think your batting percentage was on those?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I think if you feel good about it, Like I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: remember we played Tampa in twenty fifteen and they had
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: a toss play and it was Tulsa and I remember
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: we were it was a check they talked about. We
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: were it was like on a third down maybe, and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: we were all mugged up. So Thomas and I were
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: both mugged up. We had a safety mugged up, so
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: we were you know, if they had and they had
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: a they had a front side bunch and so if
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: they if you just down bock pin and pool the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: off the ball defenders that are supposed to make the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: play are never going to get there. It's like throwing
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: a screen out of a mug, look like a wide
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: receiver screen. And I remember he gets there and Jamis
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: comes up and looks around and he's like, all right,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: we got double mug. All these guys in the line
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage. Safety's down showing off the backside, the rotational guy,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: and the nickel showing up because it's a bunch because
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: he's got to press the point. And he checks Tulsa
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my gosh, perfect yeah, and said
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: we pull we pull everybody out and bump everyone plus
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: everyone front side just totally get out of the blitz.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: We're supposed to be dropping defensive tackles. It was like
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: a sim pressure and we just told all the defense
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, go, don't drop, it's a run, it's a toss.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Go And one of the guys, I think Jared Allen
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: made the tackle and I just I was so happy,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: like it all worked. You know, you get that one play,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: get that one play you make based on film, and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: you're just like, yeah, it's all worth it.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, all the preparation was worth it for sure.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: And TD was great at that TD watched a ton
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: of tape too, so we had to get a little combo.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: When you get to those games, the amount of preparation
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: you put in, know, like album Kamara, when you're like this,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna attack him. So I know regardless, like my
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: process has been correct. Yeah, did you have nerves before
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the games or was it like Hey's in the Barn.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: I was always nervous. Yeah, like you want to You
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: always want to get in the flow as fast as
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: you can of the game. And the longer you're out
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: of the flow of the game, the less you feel
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: like you're a part of the game.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: So you can prepare all you want, but you you
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: want to get into the flow of the game as
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: quickly as you can. And if you're not in the flow,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: you feel like your flow and I hate that. So
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: you're always nervous to go in the game because you
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: don't know. Each game feels different, like it feels different
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: from you know, the surface is different, how the team
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: you play is different, the coordinators are different, how they
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: want to tack you is different, the players are different,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: the run game is different. Like everything feels different each game,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: and you were always like I don't know about nervous
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: or you're anxious to like feel feel the game and
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: be and feel like you're a part of the game.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: And until you do that, you're kind of like, damn,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: like I need to need to get in there.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: You need to get in there, need to feel someone,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: You need to like a little action early in the game.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: With with that thought process, was it better for you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: in your mind to go three and out your first
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: defensive drive, like oh boys, we got the three and out,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: or like a nine eight nine play gritty drive where
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: maybe they come out points, but like you know, the kid,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: this next drive, I'm gonna I feel like I'm immersed
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: in this game now, so I feel a whole lot better.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: I think it depends on if you get if you
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: get a piece of something early.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Y, Yeah, you got to get a piece of something,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Like if.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: You make a good tackle like on first or second
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: or third down, or like first or second down, you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: make a you make a good play like around the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage in the run game, you're like, all right,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: I got like kind of I'm good, or like you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: get like you make a good play on third down,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: you get a stop, we're off the field in like
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: a three and out or you know you're just you're
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: in the mix, or like you feel to say, they're
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: on power and you like you like stick a guard
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: and you force a guard. You're like, all right, I'm
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: in good shape. But if it's like pass toss, run
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: away incomplete on third down, you're still like like itch
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: in a little bit. Yeah, you need to get like
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: you need to get you need to get a piece
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: of something.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to feel somebody.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the pain from from the Super Bowl? Yeah,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: and have you forgiven Cam Newton for not jumping on
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: that phone?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. It was. The further you get away
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: from it, the more you appreciate it. Like how special
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: that year was, how much fun we had, how good
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: our locker room was, Like all the games that we
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: played in that were so fun that the city of
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Charlotte was awesome. Like the media coverage of that season
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: in the locker room, it was like anybody that was
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: anybody reporter wise, was in the locker room every week.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: We didn't lose a game until Christmas. We played on Thursday.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: We played, Yeah, here we go. Played on Thursday night
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: in Jerry World down in Dallas on Thanksgiving.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Oh buddy, I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah, that was my
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: favorite game to watch of you.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm like, you're like a proud father and I'm
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: your son. It's you just got like comfortable.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we'll talk to the Cowboys. He usually has
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: a dim light on it, so it's nice to see.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Him light up with the Cowboys just as a backer
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: and appreciating and respecting the game that we played, Like
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: watching getting to watch that Thursday night football game, because again,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: you're not like watching everybody else like when you're playing
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: on Sundays, but knowing that you had there was dedicated
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: time like on holidays to where it's like, oh, these
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: teams are playing today and watching you against the Cowboys
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: those two ploy those two picks you had back to back.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I've sat there and I was trying to get everybody
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: in the room enthralled, like, do you guys understand what
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: just happened? You being a Tampa two player and them
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: trying to run you out, clear you out for that
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: deep dagger by one and you coming down to pick
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: it off after you already have your responsibility taken care of.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: That is art.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: You're coming back, coming back the next series, and knowing
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: you're in a cover four responsibility with wit as the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: tight end and they're trying you over the top without
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: any safety help, and you picking that ball off, getting
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: your head around. That's art, and I just want.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: You to know that you should to hang around me
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: and talk me up a little more.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Obviously you have all the accomplishments in the world, but
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: just like some of those plays and you just talking
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: through Tulsa knowing you're mugged up and everything else, I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: appreciate the art that.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: You put on display. Was it was. I appreciate that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: this Yah.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm getting up right now. But these plays
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: right here, boys like you, guys want to lock in.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: The guy that made the play was Thomas. So we
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: were in a sim pressure So basically what was supposed
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: to happen is TD was supposed to blitz and we
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: were supposed to drop the defensive end to the field.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: So Romo saw the pressure, so he's like, all right,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: the hook player. It was just simple pressure Cover three.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: The hook player is a defensive end, so I'm gonna
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: throw this dig right behind the defensive end. So Romo,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Romo checks protection, swings everything, and so Thomas is like,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: do we need to get out of this? They just
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: push protection to me, it's a bad matchup, so he checked.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Thomas looks at me, He's like, hey, we need to
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: check cover two. I was like, all right, cool, let's
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: So who's at the green dot?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I did, but Thomas and I and like Roman and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Kirk Coleman. It was like, it's just a discussion. It's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: a discussion.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Crazy that you guys have enough time to have a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: discussion as well, that's wild.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: TD and I had like a hey, he's like he
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: just micd it. You want to go to cover two?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: And I was like you want too, He's like yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I was like all right, cool, check cover two. So
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: like you've got time. And then this play is like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: one of those plays that you talked about, like you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: always want to get this play in cover two and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: it never works out that way, like either you're a
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: backside player or you're blitzing, or it's man coverage, and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: it's just one of those plays where it's just right place,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: right time, like it happens and you're taking a shot.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're like you're you're you're trusting. Look at Witt,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Look at Whitney's.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wide open. But again, you're trusting, You're you're trusting.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Can you go back to the top of the play.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: And a lot of it starts too with.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: It's like you starting high and trusting that all right,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Romo's went through this progression and where now I'm going
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: to take a shot and leave the middle of the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: field to go pick off.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: And then stagger. The other thing is ben so ben
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: a ben Wickery is playing. He's one of our corners.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: He's playing at the I think this same at the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: bottom of the screen. If you don't get a good
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: jam on that guy, then I can't see the release.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: So the release by one if he inside releases and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: you get a clear out and then a sit look
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: at the jam. Do you see the jam by Bene?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: So the jam slows it down.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets the good jam, pushes him inside and
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: puts those two guys on levels and slows him down.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: So the progression for Romo is slower, right, So he
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't get to dot that ball when he wants to.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: But I get to see inside release by one, I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: can see the sit by two. And then once he
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: puts his foot in the ground. I'm like, all right,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I'm clean, Like I'm good because I know that once
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: his inside release, his company's probably gonna run an cut
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: and that's going to push Roman to that over right.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: So then you're like all right. But then you're like
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: you said, you're kinda you're kind of taking like a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: calculated chance.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so is as the mic backer you have the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: middle of the field, I mean, yeah, Tampa two, you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: see had a bailout and you're deep.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in his backs to the quarterback. So again he's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: taking like a calculated wrist just coming out of the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: middle of the field. And so it's funny the whole player,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you know, he's it's like you're jumping the fat lady
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: when the pretty ones behind him.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Why at that point are you like, okay, I'm safe,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: because you know your safety is now coming back over
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: the top to help you.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Out, and you kind of know, you kind of know
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: where that ball is meant to be thrown. The ball
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: is meant to be thrown to the dig gotcha.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: So his romo in his mind is still thinking, you
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: guys are in a simulated pressure where the end's going
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: to drop, and that guy's covering him.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: I think he probably knows at this point that we're not.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: I just think he probably is, like, all I got,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: I got Tampa. The the hook player jumped the little
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: in and out route, the whip route, so I'm just
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: gonna throw it behind right, So I had a little
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: bit more time to kind of field out because Bene
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: got such a good jam. He slowed the progress so
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: that guy really got him inside. So like it's it's
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: one of those things like you don't just make the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: play by yourself, really good jam. We had really good
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: pressure that whole that whole game. We hit him a bunch,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: so like that clock gets sped up, and then Thomas
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: great awareness by him of like getting out of that.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have incredible quarterback answers of shouting out the.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Team the entire course. I mean, he's right.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: It's like when what Romo scene is, like he knows
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: as the hook player sitting there, He's like, oh, this
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: is one hundred out of one hundred, I'm gonna hit
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: this clear, hit this dig over because.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: You can see right here even with you covering the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: standway like that almost seems a little open to me,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: But he's right here. Yeah, and that where him He's like, oh,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: there's no one because he's expecting you to still.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Go up because because avoid in the middle of the field,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Nickel is moving out towards that whip, so that ball
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: is supposed to get thrown between the numbers in the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: hash right that dig yes, the dig window. So he's like,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I'm in good shape, you know.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure we're not able to show the screen
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: like during the YouTube, So anybody that's curious, it's Tony
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Romo throws an interception to Luke Keekley looked at play up.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be able to show because that is that
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: is art, Like, that's the beauty, that's the game within
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: the game. That kind of like people will see and like, wow,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Luke was amazing. But for you to like give us
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: what TD was saying the jam all that like, that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: is that's good football. Eleven guys getting.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know we had time. He bumped him and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: put him inside and gave me more time. It's like
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: this is happening in four seconds.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, which is just so crazy because you're not supposed
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: to be anywhere near that ball when it's thrown.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just all it's quitl It just all fits
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: it like all fits together, you know.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Was there And I hate to bring this up again,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: any chatter about Newton not jumping on that fumble.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Honestly, no one ever said, No one ever whispered, no,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: his his toughness. We never questioned it. The guy never
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: never complained. It's the first guy in every day. He
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: worked so hard, never never yelled at guys, never threw
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: guys under the bus. Like you talk about a dude
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: that just all he wants to do is play football.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: And it's just that was just a bad game for us.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: We just didn't play. We didn't play our best game.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: The Seeing Cam Newton on the field, there's like there's
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: like a few guys Calvin Johnson comes to mind, but
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: seeing Cam Newton dressing on the field, he looks creative player. Yeah,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: he's like an action figure out.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: He's like all of six five.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody, well, he's taller than six five. We saw him
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: at Power Slap and he was eye to eye with me.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like he was taller.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Must get that.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: He's like he was like he's like seven feet tall.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: With all that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt he's not getting any rides. But That's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: interesting you say that because the way he's portrayed in
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: the media is that like he's a cat that seems
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: like a very much an eye guy. Well that like
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: when he's when he's on ESPN, he said I would
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: rather have my MVP trophy than a super Bowl trophy.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting that same Bob as I'm getting from
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: you were.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Like, he would you give up your Defensive Player of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: the Years for that super Bowl?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah? The super Bowl is like the Mecca. Man, Yeah,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: you know that's all you want question You just want
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: to win a super Bowl.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: But he looked at you like you were dumb right there.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: Tell you what toughness, competitiveness, love of the game of football,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: love of the Carolina Panthers, like Cam just tough. You
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: never questioned is he going to play hard? Like you
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: never question that. You might question, like what is he
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: gonna wear? But the dude competed, he played so hard,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: loves football, just tough and competitive and.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: It just it also clearly he knew what was going on.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: But it's like that, h what is it that clip
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: of that play where somebody's trying to call out something,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: somebody trying to call something what you're trying to do.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you like that. Watch this?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Oh that was clay Man.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Because Clay's watched that wheel. Oh you watched film too.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Watch this and he threw that ball to McCaffrey. But
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: it's interesting. So Cam, it's like he he can. He
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: remembers like everything. So they had a signal. Him and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Greg had a signal for like it's like a route
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: that he ran and Cam's like, hey, dude, like we
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: got to switch it up. We've run this too many times,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: like everybody knows what it is. And Greg's like, all right,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: what do you want it to be? And Cam's like, ah,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know. We did this like four years ago
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: and against Atlanta and it was like the third quarter
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: and you know it was like ten minutes ago in
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: the game and ten minutes to go and third quarter,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: and I gave you like this signal like I don't know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: that's cool, we just want to do that. Greg's like whatever, yeah,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: And like I like went and looked it up and
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: I was like whoa, Like he was spot on. He
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: was like pretty dagon close. Yeah. So but him and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Greg had a really good, good connection, Like Greg has
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: such a great feel for you know, space and timing
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: and windows and just he was really good at a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: lot of things. Great. He was big, he'd catch everything,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: could run, block, never came off the field. But he
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: had such a good feel for like where to be,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: how to get there, how to stem guys like he
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: was so good at that. And Cam and him had
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: such a great connection that they could just kind of
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: look at each other and they both knew what was
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: going on. They'd line up in this set. It was
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: a three by one set, so Greg they called it
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: one by three. Greg was backside and you could line
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: up and cover three or cover four, it didn't matter.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: It was basically man because it was just Greg in
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: a corner or a safety by themselves and they just
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: look at each other and figure it out. And it
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: was really cool to watch. But a lot of it
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: was just Cam's super smart remembers everything tough, competitive, and
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: it was fun to watch him and Greg play with
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: How was it being in the mix of the Odell
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Beckham and Josh Norman.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that was like peak Josh. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: And that was part of Josh's game. I remember when
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: we played Dallas, him and Dez are going out of
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: the whole game. And that was part of Josh's game.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: And you know.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: It was we were in it and they let and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, they let those guys play a
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: little bit until there was a couple. There was like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: one or two instances where like they had to separate them.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Odell had to head missile shot.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: That was that was that one wasn't great, but that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: Josh was another guy. Josh great feel, great feel, smart,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: unbelievable ball skills in ultra competitive, ultra competitive. So that
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: was a great matchup for them. Josh played fantastic that year.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Josh was exactly what we needed in our defense, like
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: long rangey, great ball skills, could compete competitive. He was
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: really good and that that was an interesting game. We
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: were up a million points and they came all the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: way back. Odell actually caught a ball there at the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: end of the game to tie it up and then
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Cam went down and I'm gonna kick the field with
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: to win it. But it was like we were there there,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Josh and I having a good chat here.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: He tried tell him to keep his cool.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: I like, hey, keep doing you man.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had him at Washington. He's his ability to
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: punch the ball out, the Peanut punch.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: He learned it from Peanut, So Josh, Josh was always
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: around the ball. Then Peanut came in twenty fifteen and
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Josh was like his Josh, I think saw that and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: he's like huh, like I can do that, and he
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: just had It's a timing thing, you know, it's a
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: timing thing, it's an opportunity thing. It was just really
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: good at it. So yeah, he was a stud at
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Peanut was awesome. Held you talk about a teammate, Oh
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: my gosh, great teammate.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Peanut Tillman, Oh my gosh, I love that guy.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: You guys had some fucking dogs that Super Bowl year,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: so it was cool. I mean you you also Jared
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Allen too, just like him. Yeah, we had Jared Awn
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: and Peanut that in at twenty fifth teen and then
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Roman Verse so I came in. I remember the first
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: time I met Pep.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, he is a monster.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: He's big, but he's very he's proportional. So like when
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: you see him from a distance, you're like, oh, he's
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: big because he's so proportional, and then closer you get
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: to him, you're like Oh yeah, he's pretty stout.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I was so happy when we played, y'all, and he
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: was I think he went back right, he played and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: then he went to the Packers.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: Played us at fifteen, he was in he was in
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Green Bay. So he went Carolina, Chicago and then Green
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Bay and then at the end he came back to us.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Because when he that was like his last year, right,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: his last two years drinking, the last two years. So
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: when we played, I mean, he put his hand in
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: the dirt. I'm looking at my form and his forum.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not something we're not playing the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: same game, are just equal. But he was in that.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: He was in that mode of I'm gonna pick and
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: choose my shots to kind of win, to really go hard.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: But he was like playing the game and it was love.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Just I was so happy.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just so talented man.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Him and guys like Sougs too, like just kind of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: like understood the game at a level where they knew
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: when it was time to turn it on and not
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: when they got that older age. Was just so cool
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: So then another guy that was a freak athlete, Shack Thompson. Shack,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: so you're mentioning all those vets and yeah, Shaq Thompson
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: had the ability to he had a lot of range.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So it was interesting. They bring Shack
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: in and he played running back, linebacker, safety at Washington
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: and we bring him in and Thomas was playing well,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: I was playing Mike, so like there's not a ton
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: of room. But we're like, we need to get this
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: guy on the field because he's so talented. He does
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: everything well and he was super smart from the day
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: he got there, Like you tell him at one time,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: he got it. And there's guys that can like memorize,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: and there's guys that just have great feel for the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: game of football and how to play in competitive and effort.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Shack showed up in the day that he got there.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: He had all that, and so we need to find
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: a way to get him on the field. So we
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: would play him at nickel right and we called it
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Buffalo and it was just like a it was just
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: a package we had. It was like a big nickel
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: so we could play all of our nickel calls but
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: have a bigger body in there so we could like
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: blitz him. We could play five down with him on
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. We could play zone coverage, so
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: then there was really no matchup issues. But we were
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: able to get him on the field and highlight what
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: he was able to do, and it was just awesome. Yeah,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: he's a great and he's a great. He took so
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: much pride in being the young because our room was good.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: So it was like Thomas aj Klein was a.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Really good player because he was a fourth rounder.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: That yeah he was Iowa state kid.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Was he twenty thirteen thirteen years Yeah? Yeah, he was
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: my year because he sat behind you. But anytime, like
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: you would be down and he'd come in, he'd light
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: it up, like you got to go on and take
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: a contract to get bigger money. Yeah with New Orleans, right, yeah,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: with New Orleans.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: So Aj would play, Shaq would play. But our room
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: was like establish older guys, and he came in and
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: it was like his mission, like I'm not going to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: let any of you guys down. So like that's how
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: he prepared, that's how he practiced. He played special teams,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: never complained ever, just a good guy that like got it.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: So he's got a great career.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: You guys did have just a hell of a room. Yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, like Aj. You know, you just got to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: be itching to get on the field at times, like
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: playing behind somebody like yourself, or just knowing you're not
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: going to be seeing the field unless an injury or
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: something like that happens. Because Aj was a stud at
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Iowa State. And again, anytime he came in during a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: stint that you'd be out like he'd light it up.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: Like he was a hell of a middle linebacker. Yeah,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. You give those guys a lot
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: of credit to because he was like the the first
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: guy in wherever. So if his needed to be Will,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: he could play Will. If he needed to play Mike,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: he could play Mike. If you were playing you know,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: three backers in like a base, look, he could play Sam.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: And you know, you don't get reps at practice, right
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: like you don't get any So he had to show
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: up in locking in meetings and go to practice and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: you know, do his thing there and then rundown on
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: teams and then oh hey somebody, hey, Luke's out, Like,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: go play Mike backer, all right, the one that next
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: week TD's out, Lukes backing, all right, Now you gotta
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: go play Will backer. And it's like it never he
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: never lost a step or like had a mental blip.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: He's just it's impressive, like those guys that are able
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: to do that at a high level.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what was so fascinating to me is watching
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: your career and like when when you started like four
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: or five, six are to sustain a couple of injuries,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: your ability to kind of take your head out of
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: it but still be so productive. How did how is
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: that like transition for you? Because it seemed, at least
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: from me on film, obviously, Okay, this guy's not putting
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: his face in as much, but he's still finding ways
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: to manipulate blocks and be just as productive.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: Which you kind of nailed it. Like you the older
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: you get, like you physically you slow down, right, but
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: it's like like physically you slow down, but like mentally
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: you you learn more.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've passed your physical ability with mental ability.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, So then you're like, I don't need to I
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: don't need to go smash that guy, Like I know
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: where his point of attack angles, I know where mine is.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: Can I speed him up? Can I slow him down?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Can I get him playing at my speed? Like my
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: advantages are quicker and faster. I might be a little bit.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: I might have a little bit more like quick pop
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: than he does. If I get in a dog fight
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: with him, he's bigger, stronger, he's more powerful. I'm gonna
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: lose like nine out of ten times. So it's like,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: how can I manipulate a block in the sense of
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: like if I need to get there, and I can
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: get you to slow your feet down or stop your
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: feet Now, I can speed up faster than you. I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: can slow down faster you. I can speed up faster
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: than you. So instead of like trying to run through
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: your chest, if I can get you to stop your feed, doom,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: but when I can just get past you that way,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: So it's like how can I You don't you don't
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: want to hit a million guys in the game. It
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: just wears you down.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: So it's like there's an ego element to it, like
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Mike Linebacker being a thumper, like you could hit Like
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: was there a report where like I don't want to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: give up this part of me, but I know it's
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: the best from my longevity.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just like you gotta you love the game
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: of football, like you better figure out how to play
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: it as long as you can. And that's just kind
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: of part of the like it's kind of part of
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: the game, you know.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Talk to us about how when you were first starting
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: to sustain the concussions. Like if I'm a teammate of
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: yours and you get ding the first time, Oh, Luke,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: he's got a concussion.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: Second time, Luke's got a concussion.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Third time, when a pattern starts creeping up and then
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: you're coming into the cafeteria or something and it's like, hey,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: what are you learning? Like, talk about that time as
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: a pattern starts to show itself with your head injuries.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Because there's always a point of feeling like vulnerable, like
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: almost like mortal.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: And two, like when you're getting stuff like concussions, you
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: know there's a part anytime you have an injury and
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: you're coming in the room, you're you feel like you've
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: let everybody down. Or like if you have an ankle
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: right or a high ankle sprain, and guys might be like,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: you know, they're not questioning can you go, but in
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: your mind you're insecure enough to where you're like, I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: hope these guys know that I am facing something pretty
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: bad right now. I'm just not able to be on
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: the field. But yeah, talk about your the head injuries.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is what you learn
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: and you know, like you said, you're twenty five years old,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: you're like, I'm fine. I think a lot of it
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: is with the concussion stuff. If it's like you need
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: to be as honest with you can't with as you
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: can with yourself and with everyone taking care of you,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: because if they don't know how you feel, they can't
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: help you. So like the more honest you are with them,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: the better and the quicker you can come back from
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: whatever you have going on concussion wise. And that's what
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: I learned, you know, probably the hard way is like
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: our doctors are phenomenal. They took great care of me.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: They did everything they needed to do, and I just
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: wish I would have learned from an earlier age to
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: be more honest with them, because you got to get
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: all the way back before you can go play again. Right, Yeah,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Like there's no like, say you have like a wrist
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: that's bugging, you can like tape it.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: And like like okay, it's kind of like a badge
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: of honor when you're.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: Like you like figure it out, like or you do
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: something to your finger, like all right, but like you
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: don't really you'll be fine, yeah, versus your head, it's
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: like you can't really tough it out. And the more
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: you try to tough it out, the worse it gets.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: And then you start to realize, like, why do I like,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: like you said, you want to play and like you
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: want to bring value to your team, right, And then
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: you start to realize, like, all right, if I'm not
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: honest and I go back out before I should and
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: I get dinged again, I'm providing less value to my
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: team because now I'm gonna be out for longer. So
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: it's like, all right, maybe it takes me, you know,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: two weeks to come back. I'd rather be honest and
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: take those full two weeks and come back. Then after
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: we'd be like I'm good and like and you're not,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: and then you get dinged again. Now it's five weeks,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: so instead of it being a two week injury, it's
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: a six week injury. And it's all because you didn't
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: take care of yourself. Like that's really I think what
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: I learned, you know, probably not as quickly as I
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: should have, But what I learned was the more honest
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: you are with yourself, and the more honest you are
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: with the guys that are their job is to take
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: care of you, then the better it is for you,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: for them, for the team, for your you know, I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: just want to play football. The faster I can get
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: back to playing football. So it's like everything gets better
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: the more honest you are.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Now when you had the first one, like how many
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: do you would? Do you think that you had before
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: that first one?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think I had zero zero, like for sure
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: like one hundred percent, because you always wonder like, well,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: I know if I get one. And then the first
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: one I got was in twenty fifteen, and I was like, yeah,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: that's that's one.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So and did that one you come back earlier from,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: like when you're saying I learned it sooner if you did.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: If you feel like you didn't have any before that
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: first one, was there some of those early ones that
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: you're like trying to in your brain tough enough?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: So that one was the first one, and I was like,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: I was like I need to like get my I
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: need to get better. And it worked out literally perfectly.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: So that was week one and then I think we played, Yeah,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: we played three games and we had to buy so
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: you know, you got to two weeks into it, and
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: our trainers like, dude, he's like, you need to relax
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: first of all, because you're putting all this stress on yourself.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: So what's just you're not gonna play next week? How
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: about that? And I wasn't. I wasn't gonna be back anyways.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: But he, like him a lot of credit Ryan form million,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: He took all the the pressure off me and was like,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: we're just you're not gonna play next week and then
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: the following weeks of bye week, so like you have
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: two weeks so just like kind of relax and that happened,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: and I was like like like okay. So then I
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: remember I went home for the bye week, and I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: knew how to aggravate it, like I knew how to
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: give myself. A lot of it was uh oh, exercise base,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: like heart rate base, like if I got my heart
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: rate up, then I'll start getting like headaches. And I
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, I feel really good. It was
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: like Thursday of the bye week, Thursday or Friday, I
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: was back in Cincinnati and I wrote up like a
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: really hard workout and I was like all right, this
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: is like it like either I'm gonna be good or
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be good and there's like no one
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: between either. I'ma feel like crap, I'm gonna feel really good. Yeah,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: and I hit that working and I was like, all right,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: I'm good. And then and then I had a full
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: another week of practice, So essentially you had like five weeks.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: You know, you're not hitting anybody in practice.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Right, especially at that point. Yeah, so usually that third
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: week of then Mark.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was probably the best I could have handled it.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: And then moving forward, you just have a couple when
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: you want to play, and so maybe you don't like
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: you just I didn't handle it as probably well as
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: I could have, and like it just it was it
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: was unfortunate. But like now it's like you go talk
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: to guys, you're like, dude, if you get one, like
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: you have to be smart and you got to be
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: honest with yourself.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a difficult game you're talking about though,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: because you have the hindsight of like looking back, like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: when these guys like Will and I talk about all
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: the time, like when you're in it, there's like these
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: blinders that are on your eyes and you're solely focused
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: on this thing and this is the main storyline of
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: your life. But everything else, like the next forty years
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: of your life, you're not even concerned about it.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and you're also like the only thing I
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: want to do is play football, right, Like that's it,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Like I just want to play football. I want to
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: be on the field with the guys, like I love
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: playing football on Sundays. And then this prevents you from
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: doing it. So you're like, I just won't play football,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Like I just won't play. I just won't play. I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: just won't play, And that cloud your judgment more than
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: like really anything else. Is like I just miss wake
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: up on Sunday during football season and like just like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: watching from your my house. Yeah, Like we played Tampa
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: then twenty fifteen, and I remember sitting in my apartment,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: like the team went down there and I was just
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: watching it at my house. Like this freaking sucks.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: There's no there's no lonelier feeling than when a team
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: you're injured and the team goes on an away game,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: when you watch the buses leave and you're like you
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: you feel so ico everybody.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: In your life. Yeah, it's but then it's like it's
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: good perspective. It's like, what do you take from it,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: and it's like all right, well, when other guys are
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: missing games, like you gotta have like like you got
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: to check on those guys, like, dude, how you doing right,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: because you know what's eating them up? Yeah, it's like, dude,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: I hate to feel you man, like just get better.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they get better. So how many did you end
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: up getting throughout your career don't?
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know? I mean I miss some time and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: obviously fifteen sixteen, I missed a game in seventeen and
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: then like nothing that was like really nothing like big
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: after that.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: When was retirement starting to come into the fold.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: End of that twenty nineteen season, because you just like
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: clip a guy and you're like, dang, like like I
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: don't It wasn't like you know, you should just go
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: smack dudes, yeah and have no issues. I would go
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: hit a guy. I'm like, I didn't really feel great.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: And so then once you make the decision in your mind,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: like you know, I'm not all the way in it once,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: like mentally, were.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: You starting to think about it a lot into that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: nineteen Yeah.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: Like the like the last like the last game of
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: the year, I was like, I'm done. I'm done.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: So that's when you made your decisions that last year.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: After so it was week it's week sixteen, so obviously
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: week seventeen's last week. Week sixteen. I remember being like, yeah,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: probably done.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: So really was there a process of like talking to
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: anybody or was feeling I.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Just remember after that game, like I was like, yeah,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: you don't. You don't got it anymore, like you just
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: you don't. You don't like you don't have it.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: What's your you don't have it? Because I'm right now.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, you can't play. I would have
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: been fine if like I physically slowed down, like can't
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: run as well, like not as fast, maybe I'm not
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: as physical, maybe like I don't have the same like fire.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: I would have been fine with that, and I would
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: have like kind of just probably milked it out a
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: little bit more like yeah, I love playing. But once
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: I knew it was my head and I'm like like mentally,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, it's either yes or no, Like if
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: you slow down, you can like physically you can still
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: play football hard and like play fast and play with
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: great effort. But once I knew in my head mentally,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: like it's not any of that it's like your head
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: stuff now, you can't you can't in your brain. In
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: my brain, I couldn't rationalize, like I can't play as
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: hard as I want to. My effort's not going to
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: be there. I can't be as physic cool. And once
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: I knew that, I'm like, man, it's not fair to
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: the guys in the team, and it's not fair to
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: the coaches, and it's not fair to like the fans
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: and myself and my family for me to go out
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: there at like mentally seventy five percent. Like if I
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: got to thump a guard and push a guy back
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: to Chack to make a play and I'm like yeah,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: and like I get widened and then and then the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: shot the tackles really hard on Shack, Like that's not
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: fair to Shack for me to like, no, especially mentally,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: I know the reason why I'm not stuffing that guy.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: Once I knew that, I was like okay versus like
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: I'm you know, Sam still playing right now and I'm
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: thirty three years old and I go to stuff a
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: guard and like that dude's twenty five years old and
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: he just mauls me. Like I'm like, I mean, I
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: did everything right I tried hard. I prepared in the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: off season, like I gave it everything I had. That
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: guy's just a young dude and you just beat me
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: versus like in my head, I'm like I didn't take
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: him on is like I didn't hit him how I
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: should have? Like I'm not with that, Like I couldn't.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: I couldn't do that. Yeah, it's knowing that your effort
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: wasn't my effort wasn't there, and like that's not fair
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: to like the guys in the team. So I was like,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: all right in.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Yourself too, like you have to stand in your head
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: of how you play the game and how you want
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: to play the game, and you know, like not that
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: you're half assing, but if you're thinking about that trying
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: to smash a guard and you're like, I didn't do
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: this because of X, Y and Z, in my mind.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: It's just not fair to any Yeah.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. So I love that you're sweating
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: on the bus with the.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah this is like this outside. Yeah, well we've had
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: it as we actually started a gravel parking lot.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the middle of May.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's it's it's so impressive to me because
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: like when I talk to you. When I listen to
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: you talk like this motherfucker loves ball, you could just
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: tell he's not just about himself.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: He's about the team.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: He's about everybody, everybody else's job. And I can I
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: can feel that from you. And then you sit there
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: and say week sixteen, I knew I was done and
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: that was it. Yeah, it's what was that transition like
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: for you? Because now you're going from a guy that
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: I have no doubt was one hundred percent in on
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: football his entire life. Oh yeah, to now your.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: White glove service bus brand.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're one hundred percent in. And now you're
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: waking up in the fall. Yeah, and it's like, Okay,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: you wake up in August and I know your feeling.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: We've done it for a few years now. It's like
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: you wake up in August and you're like it's fucking great.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Like there's a policeivie that's like all right, Like I
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: know all them boys fifteen minutes out of room of
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: my house are dying right now, and I just woke
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: over my kids, you know, have a little breakfast with them.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: There's so many positives, But then there's no Sundays where
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: you sit there and it's like two thirty and the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: noonslate's ending and you see your team catching a big
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: win and it's like, fuck, I missed with that locker
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: room is gonna feel like when they go back in there.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So my first year out, I worked with the
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: team in the scouting department, so that was cool. And
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: then on game days I was in the booth with
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: the offense and I was the personnel guy, so like
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: the they'd come out and I'd be in charge of
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: like are they nick or they and base? What kind
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: of base are they in? All that kind of stuff.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: So that was hell, Yeah, we get we did upgrade
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: and we're going from paper towels to pre towels. It's great.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: I felt like a little air coming into.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about your concussions.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I sweat my ass off. So it was cool.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: I got to be at the games on Sundays, and
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: the first year was the first year was like damn man,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: like I still think I can play, and so that
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: part was hard. And then the further way you get
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: from it, you're like like I do the radio with
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: the team. Now I do the radio broadcast and I
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: go on the field before the game, and you see
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: these guys run by you and you're like, I'm good,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: all set, I'm good man, appreciate you. Like Tristan works,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: he comes running by and you're like, I'm all good.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: There was a video two days ago on Instagram of
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: him squatting five plates for like three or four reps
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: with ease.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: He's like the nicest guy in the world.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great human. Iowa cat Like, he's just
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: a great dude. He just he is the athletic ability
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: of a linebacker. Yeah, squad seven hundred pounds whan We were.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Fieling that a couple of years ago when we were
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: at the that Arizona BWLE And you're just seeing the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: guys kind of warm up in practice and pop the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: pads a little bit beforehand, and you're just sitting there
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: thinking like.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: What the fuck it comes? Like, Yo, what psychopath would
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: do this?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because once you get out of it, like you
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: get soft quick.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: You want to be the guy that's like on the team,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: but they put you on season ending I ar, so
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: you're like you get to show up like you kind
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: of have a job, but like you don't have to play.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: You can still travel your stress. The stress you like
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: walk out to practice, you drink some coffee. But you're
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: on the team, so like your way of life is
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: like socially acceptable versus like if you get done, you're
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: like I can't just like go hang out in the
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: locker room and like lift, Like you can't do that.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like here comes this pro scout Louke.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah you just want Yeah, you're like the arter places, right,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: you got to go bring a guy upstairs and get cut,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, that year, did you ever have to do that?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: Brought one guy up? Yeah?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Talk about the year being in the pro scouting I'll tell.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: You what you learn a lot about the NFL, like
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: what plays, types of guys in the NFL. Like you
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: learn a ton and it was super cool. Like I
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: learned a lot and it was super beneficial, but it
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: wasn't something I wanted to do long term. But like
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: you really get to see like what play, like the
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: difference between personnel and a three four versus personnel and
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: a four to three, Like body types like length, what
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: guys are looking for, what plays, what doesn't play? Types
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: of running backs, Like you don't have a feel for
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: that while you're playing, because all you do is studying
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: an opponent. You're not studying like you know, height, weight, speed, size,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: how they play, what kind of football player they are,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: And you learn like the whole league by doing that.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: Because we did, we had to watch all the free
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: agents for that season going into the next year. So
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: then like now moving forward, like you watch a guy
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: and you're like, like, we watched that guy for twenty
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: five minutes and graded him and wrote a report on him,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: and like it's it was really cool.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: So was it like cutting?
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: I just remember going up there is his name, probably
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: was a linebacker.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: I remember it was a corner, and I remember just
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: walking up there, and I remember I walked into the
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: GM's office and I'm like, hey, look like I'm down
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: to do a lot of things, Like I kind of
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: don't want to do that. Like after after the fact that, yeah,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: I was like, guys, like I'd rather just like not
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: do that. I feel bad. I'm like, I know how
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: hard it is to play and like and make the
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: roster and feel like you're on the roster and then
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: get cut, Like you see all your buddies do that
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: throughout your whole career, and you're like, man, like I'd
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: rather not be that guy that has to do that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: and they're like they're like, yeah, sorry, we don't have
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: to do that anymore. Like cool, Like damn, you know you.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Got pulling the gym apologize to.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: Luke's a grim Reaper?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that guy. You don't want to be that
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: guy because you know, you're you're standing at the door
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: waiting for them to come in from practice and everyone's.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Like Luke, what's up.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: Man? You're like, hey, can I talk to you?
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: And they're like dang yeah and one year removed, Yeah,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: like eighty percent of that roster knows you as a teammate.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: So I got up. I got up there and they're
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: like we're sorry, Like it's cool, I just rather not
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: do that again. Yeah.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Was this a guy that was on the team the
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: year before, we know.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: But he was a dude. That's like he was like
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: a dude, like a dude in the league for a while.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Oh so and when he when he says something to him,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: was there any like common like, man, you're the grim Reaper?
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: I think he I think he probably knew it was coming,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't make it any easier.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's he was a vet. He understood the game.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: He's been in the league for a long time and
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: like it was a dude.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: So I think he's probably like Luke's trying to study
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: on how to cut guys. He's just throwing on moneyball.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, did that's at any point during that season
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: of you being a scout or doing whatever you were doing.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Did they have a reproaching and be like, hey, could
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: you play a couple more games for us?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: They always joked about it, but I was like, guys, like,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: you know how quickly you tighten up like qua.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: Low back.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: You know those videos the guy's like running and looks
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: like they get shot. Yeah, that would have been me,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: Like first time they run, you know, a seam ball,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: I got chase the guy in the middle of field.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know the first game, the first game
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: that Michael Linebacker didn't have a great one and someone
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: made a joke to you, if you would have been like, yeah,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: I'd give it another Like are you for real?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: My injury waiver would have been like this long?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, huge, I mean that paycheck though it.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: Would have been a league minimum.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, you pull that hamstring, I
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: are the rest of the season. Yeah, that would have
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: been nice, bro.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks, he's on the team still that guy there?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that would suck.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: To be Now, did you were you in a point
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: too mentally to where you're you're juggling or trying to
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: figure out what you're wanting to do long term, like
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: how's everything checking him? Now? You mentioned your youth football
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: coach with with Greg goals and shout out the boy
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Greg you do radio stuff. Was there a moment to
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: where you're like, man, I kind of don't I have
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: no clue what I want to do, and I'm kind
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: of chasing some.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: I think you Yeah, I think there's you don't know
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: what you want to do. Obviously, like you get done
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: and like like perfect world, I would I would have
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: loved to have kept playing, So like I probably happened
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: earlier than I wanted it to. And so then the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: process becomes like you have to just continually try stuff
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: until you find stuff that you like, and then once
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: you like it, then just keep doing it. And then
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: if you don't like it, then you stop doing it.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: But like you have to, there needs to be a
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: concerted effort too. If you're gonna go do something like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: you gotta go all the way in because if you
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: tiptoe around it, you're not gonna get the full experience.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: You're gonna waste your time. More importantly, you're you're using
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: somebody else's time too, Like if somebody's gonna help you
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: try to dive into something and you and you don't
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: go all the way and you're wasting their time. So
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: it's like, all right, I'm gonna go all the way
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: in on a couple of things. I'm gonna try certain
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: things out. I tried scouting, just wasn't my thing. It
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: was fun, it's just like I'm not doing this long term.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: And then the hours are crazy too. Yeah, just busy.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Then the next year I did the radio with the
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: Panthers radio broadcast, Like that's awesome, Like I really like that.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: So that's pretty much the whole season, and then the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: youth football stuff with Greg So. His son Tate's in
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: that picture and that's his dad Chris. His dad Chris
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: coached high school football in Jersey and just look him up.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: They didn't lose a game for like five years in
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: a row.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Him.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: Look him up. Just look him up. So we've been
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: doing that for this will be our fourth year. So
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: it's been awesome, Like we have a ton of fun
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: with it. We coach at a a school in Charlotte.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: Charlotte Christian is the school. Check us out, okay, And
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: this is our first year coaching at Charlotte Cristian was
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: last year because Tate, Greg's oldest was in seventh grade,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: so we did coach Pop Warner for two years and
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: then Tate got in the seventh grade. So then we
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: coached at the grade school which is attached to the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: high school, and then we'll coach again at the high
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: school this year.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: So what happens to the current staff, that's.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, so they kind of bounce back kind.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Of like hey, Greg Als and Luke Keickley, they're coming in.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: So it's awesome. So it's really we got a new staff. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: The two guys that like make it run it are
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: Greg and his dad, Like they're phenomenal, and then the
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: other we got two or two or three other guys.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: Three other guys, so it's Stu. Jonathan Stewart coaches the
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: running backs, which has been phenomenal, just a crazy and
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: then Todd Blacklicche so Todd Blackler's quarterback at Penn State
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: National Championship one was a first round pick. Now does NBC.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: I think it's NBC College with Noah Eagle, Iron Eagle son,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: so that he does. He does college football on Saturday, big, big,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: big game. So he did All have State Oregon last year.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: He's like, he's a little bit and he lives in
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: and he lives in Charlotte. So it's so much fun
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: because I mean, Greg and Stu are like some of
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: my best buds when we were playing, so I get
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: to hang out with them. Greg's dad's awesome, Todd's great,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: and we just have a ton of fun with it.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Would you ever want to call games like Greg does?
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: Does rap right? The I think so the radio. The
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: interesting thing about radio and TV, so radio you really
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: just talk about like what's happening in the game and
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: like why it's happening. What I think is cool about
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: TV is like Greg does a phenomenal job of like
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: setting games up, and like what I mean by setting
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: it up is like talking about what he anticipates going
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: to happen in the game, why it's gonna happen, what
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: you know, say, it'd be like if say Tristan Wurfs
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: has missed the last couple weeks and he's back in
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: the lineup. Greg will talk about, you know, Tristan Worf's
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: is back in the lineup, this is how it affects
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: him in the run game, in the past game. This
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: is where Tristan Worf's is really good in the run game.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: So maybe they're gonna bubble up. Like Greg does it
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: way better than that. But you can really lay out
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: a game doing TV because you don't have to explain
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: what's happening every play because the viewer can watch the
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: game and Greg is able to set it up early
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: in the game and then really talk through situational stuff
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: and get into, you know, really why things are happening
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: and why why it worked, why it didn't. He does
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: a great job with that, and I think that part
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: would be really cool. But I just have a ton
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: of fun with the radio stuff, and like I told
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: you guys, like I just try to do things that
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: I enjoy, and I enjoy the radio. I think the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: TV would be really would be really fun as well.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: So I just kind of see what happens.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: You ever you got out to uh Buffalo, Yeah for
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: some uh for some coaching. Do you ever see yourself
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: coaching in the league one day, or trying to coach
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: at a high level.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: Like I think it'd be a ton of fun. It's
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: just those hours, Like.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: Bro, they're nuts. It's it's it's like take what players
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: do when they're studying all week long and yeah coaches, man,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: it's it's like around the clock.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: It's just all the time. And like, I'm just not
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: ready to give up that much time. So I mean
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: answer probably not.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, the hours are crazy. I don't I mean
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: you the boy might. There's like an itch, there's an
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: itch in there.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: It's somewhere.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it'll ever bet A lot about
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: doing is doing it during OTAs. Yeah, So get out
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: there and OTAs and like and be like, hey, these
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: next six weeks, like I'm in, like every day, I'm
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: in whenever you guys are, and just do it and
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: then you'll know by the end of that of like
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: yes or no.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: But OTAs is such a different vibe than camp and season.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Ots is so light. The coaches are feel good. Everyone's
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: kind of joking around. The minute you walk into the
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: building July twenty fifth or whenever that you know, everyone
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: goes into camp. Buttles are tight.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, but if you get behind the
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: A ball in the season, Yeah, yeah, you start off
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: you know two and.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Two, one in three people just pissed off. You're trying
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: to navigate bad attitudes everywhere. It's difficult. That's like one
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: thing you don't miss is like the bipolar nests of
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: coaches and teammates.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: And it's like you miss like that, like not stressed,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: but like that pressure of like we gotta go, like we.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Gotta yeah, it's a big one right here.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: Like we got to go make this like this is
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: a big game. This is for a lot of reasons,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Like you miss that, like the urgency, that urgency, the pressure.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Those week like Week fourteen on when your team's like
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: on the bubble, like are we going to make the playoffs?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Are we not?
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: What do we control in our destiny? What teams have
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: to lose? And it's like you're kind of with your
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: little whether it's a linebacker group or meet with the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: offensive Linement's like we got to do X, Y and
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Z to make a wild card can happen for us.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: That's why you play the Band of Brothers in December,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: like you want to be you want to you want
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: your season. The matter in December, Yeah, you know what
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: I mean. You obviously want it to matter in like September, October, November,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: but like if it comes December and you're like, hey,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: like you're in the un we're.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: In the mix, and then anything can happen.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: In January, it didn't even matter, Like you're in the mix.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: Like you're in the mix, that's all that matters. And
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: now you got to just go play your best ball.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: It's that's the best.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Part of that is the worst feeling in the world
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: is December and nothing matters, and you're like, you hear
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: the older guys in my first two years, we won
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: five games my first two years, and I'm hearing older
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: guys talk about Cabo and all these things are going
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: to go on, and you're just still so involved, like
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: you think every game still matters. What's going on here, guys? Feeling? Yeah,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: way exactly.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Play for the name on your back now, Yeah, anything.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: To find out somewhere. Yeah, you.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: Get those coaches the way you know, might they might
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: be on the outs where they just start giving the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: play for the name on your back, whatever you play
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: for whether and you just know, way, we're all in
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: December and we're anybody. Yeah, well it's the name on
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: your front, your family at home, maybe the cash of
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: the bake account, name on your back.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: Let that heart turn black when you walk out there.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: Oh man, you gotta find it though.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this has been awesome.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has. I was just gonna ask if you
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: have any hobbies outside of football.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: I love so. I love the bow hunt. Really, that's
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: my favorite thing. I get a little josh.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: You guys are out there get real hunter with na Yeah, dude,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: he's a real man too. They'd have you out there,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: and you know.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: I love That's that's another reason I want to coach.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: I love to bow hunt, Yeah, white tail, elk, anything
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: with the bow that's like my jam you.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you go out there to Montana, So yeah,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: To hunt elk in Montana. And then New Mexico is
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: a really good state too.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, since we're on the airways right now,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: Garrett cal Rinella, whoever's listening for Meat Eater.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, get your get your. They got a great concept
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: there is. I hope he has had fun.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: There's so much fun.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because but it was a last yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's part of but you pulled the trigger
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: I did. A lot of guys would stiffen up and
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: I even pull that trip. So you did something that
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: at the moment up I know. And it's fun too
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: because Will and I we don't. I look in your
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: eyes and you talk about bow hunting and I just don't.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: I don't have that.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: But to go out with them and then like work
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: us through like long range rifle streaming. I went and
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: sat down and I went one for five on my
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: first five shots, and I was like, this is going
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: to be the longest couple of days of my life.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: But then Garrett starts sitting there working with me, and
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: he's like try this is and this He's lining me up.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: They're great coaches. They don't make you feel stupid even
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: though they're like such bigger, better men than you are.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: It's just awesome, man.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: It's like those these animals live in beautiful areas. Yeah,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: you go hunt elk, You're gonna be somewhere sweet. Yeah,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: the mountains. The weather's beautiful, it's in the fall, and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: it's just that's like my favorite time of year. And
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: they go do that stuff. It's just sweet.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: What's been your longest like l hunt to where you're
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: you're tracking it down. We did so climbing mountains.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: No, I usually we hunt out of like an outfitter,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: and it's usually I haven't done like the full like
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: nine miles ten miles in on a horse and then
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: you set up spike camp. I haven't done that. I
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: like that. I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna wake up
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: early in the morning. I'm gonna be out all day
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: and then yeah, and I'm gonna probably come home. Yes.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Is there we do we have that?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: You don't have to read that, you can just read them.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. We do have a bud light question for you.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, people would do.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Anything for a bud light. What would you do anything for? Oh?
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: My probably my parents. I think my parents. Yeah.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: I mean that's about wholesome.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: Like you think about your parents and like what your
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: parents have done for you everything from growing up to
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: high school to college. At all my games in college,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: it came to down to Carolina, it's like your parents.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: My parents were fantastic. They set you up for everything.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: Everything was about my brothers and I and so, yeah,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: you do anything for they do anything for you. You
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: do anything for them. I love the short answers.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's a good heart, awesome, beautiful my parents.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: How many brothers you have? I got two brothers. So
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: there's a picture older brothers on the right. That's John,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: he lives in Cincinnati. There's my dad, my mom, and
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: then my younger brother Henry. Were they some dogs?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: John played football on lacrosse through high school and then
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: Henry was a basketball player. Okay, so yeah, I love that.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah do you?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you have who's that that profile that has
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: the Luke Keithley video where he's going, where he's going.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Who's next?
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: That somebody said me, that is awesome. That that guy
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: Who's next?
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Danny or something like that. He's all time.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: That guy's hilarious. Yeah he is.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: Paul. Anything that we've missed, we do have Paul Swans
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: sending the back with the boys right now, grinding it out.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: Paul was very pivotal in getting the boys in a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Creatine and an Intangibles group chat with Luke myself.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: We got creating on the bus right now. Can we
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: can we take have some of my suitcase? We can
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: take them later on when we get done here.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: Just put some.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's some going boys not the real creat team. Yeah,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: anything that I've missed with Luke, I mean, this is
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: this is the all American man right here, and that
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: answer right there, I mean that's just that's gold the parents.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: I actually just got done hearing him talk about most
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: of this when we were talking to coach Lee over
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: at Vanderbilt.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: So he's been talking about it a lot to just
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: diving in. Yeah, he's breaking down all the players too,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: how to watch film, how to break down film.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that the diego Pavia. He's got
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: it like it.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: He's a savage.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: What do you love about him? He's like he walks
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: into a room and he's the dude without trying to
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: be the dude. And he can talk to everybody. He
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: can talk to the offensive coaches, defensive coaches. He understands,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: he's got football. IQ is great, ultra competitive. He's just
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: he's that dude, like he's got it. You know what
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: You can tell Luke's got his uh his pro scouting
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: background too, so he can talk about these.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: Snap Yeah, if guys come talk to him, they'll be like,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: we need to find a way to get this guy
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: around us.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he is.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: He is electric.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: He's a football dude, football guy.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: He just loves ball.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: He loves the game, He embraces it's that's all. He
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: knows all about football. And you know those guys, they're
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: hard to come by, you know, you still I was
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: gonna say to have it when he first came. Oh
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: my gosh, that dude was born with it. That he is.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: Talk about a guy that loves football and all he
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: wants to do is just be a good teammate, play hard.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: Christian the O, g Incredible White, He's.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: All the first ballot Hall of Fame.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: You talk about a guy.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: I have a tough photo for CMC though. I mean,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: he's a built cat.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: That is a ton a bad angle. But yeah, I'm
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: so excited for him this year. Come back, rip you.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: Gonna be a daddy too, Yes, shout out him.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: Have a great year.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: So hey, i'd be I'd be remiss to say, you know,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: listening to Luke his art, listening to his football knowledge,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: but your ball knowledge is it's phenomenal.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: I appreciate I got I do probe myself on some
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: i Q some good. You might not think I played
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: in the league a long time, but from that I
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: was the neck you nine years, nine years. I was
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: there for the tenth year.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: But you know the lead get a credited season, No,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: because I had.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: A gambling show, so they wouldn't let me play.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Did you ever come across Will Compton film at linebacker,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: never take anything from his game?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, for toughness instincts, try hard, try hard,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: collar guy.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it's those plays you break down?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: I don't like that's that's that's that shirt you have on.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh hearing you too talk about plays
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: happening that you don't necessarily make, like being mugged up
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: in the eight gaps. They got you in a bunch,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: they're checking Tulsa, putting you in a toss situation, any
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: type of situational ball awareness. It's uh, it's music to
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: my ears.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, we'll get you.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: We'll get you that year ten.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: If you want to come pit some race cars.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: That seems like a different life too, So I have
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: to be just you can.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: Do I think you can do it.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: Let me play.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll let you play.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: I was down there to sign and rip there to sign,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: and contract wouldn't go through because They're like, let's hold
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: up the NFL.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: Good shut it down?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Goodell shut it down.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: Dang when's good?
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: When's Goodell gonna come on the bus?
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know he's got an open invite. Does he
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: can apologize the will for Yeah?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: Scrapping your ten?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: You had a good You had a good number two
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: five to one.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: It's a great white linebacker.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: That's Sam Mill's number. That number wasn't available.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: You see that pick right there, Keller Moore seventeen coverage,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: We'll coverage you in. You were in Tampa there and
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: we had somebody dropping low hole because we knew he
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: was going to try to work wit and over the middle.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: Kellamore airmails it the bread basket.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: But hey, you know what you had the hardest thing
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: about the interception is gotta catch it, buddy.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: That was that was my first one. And when that
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: bowl was in the air, it's something I could make
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: the play on it. I was like, you better catch it.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: I kind of just put the hands out there too,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: and was just so high.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: Glo gloves, sticky gloves or those offensive line gloves. What's
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: up those gloves you're wearing right there? Those stickies?
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't. We don't wear offensive line gloves. You
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: never know.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: I can never get on board with the Keekley risk
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: with the wrist braces though.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: Risk cards were money.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: Were you a risk taper? It's a little swag here, Yeah,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: it's a little bit.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: You brought out Jonathan Steward or earlier too. I did
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: put him on skates in our game. Why there's leg
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: game we're getting you put him on skates. Oh, I
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: murdered him coming through the A gap. Got yeah, and
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: I put him on skates, joked him out, put him
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: on skates, like, put him in the air, put his
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: late in the game. We're getting our backs blown out
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: by the Panthers. But your boy, we're still playing for
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: pride at the end of the day.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: Out there.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, the heart was black in that play.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: Ran right through the B gap, right through the gap
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: and just murdered.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: You gonna want to rematch After listening to this line up, I.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: Don't got it anymore. But find that clip.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: I will show you, guys.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure wet. But hey, look, this has been awesome.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, Thank you for coming on
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: a long time coming.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: This is big for will Cup. This's be for myself
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: as well. Love to see you two together.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: It's just great to get a Hall of Fame white linebacker.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Just we've had our lacker on. Yeah, dude, would love
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: to get ready.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: You gotta just process out the white line.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, just the linebacker appreciation that we
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: have on this bus. You gotta get on here.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: There's no better position.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had Fred Warner on that.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: That dude is a monster. Yes, you should get ro
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: Quan pro monster.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: Who are some of the guys right now? You just
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: named a couple Roquan, Fred Warner, Ah Man, you got
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: Lavonte is still doing it, Bobby.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: Now you put me on the spot here and the
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: Mario Davis has been doing it a long time. Yeah.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Zach Bond and him going to from transition from on
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: the ball to off the ball, I feel like is
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: a is a heady transition for.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: For Zach Bond. You know who I like? Nick Bolton, Yes, bro, he.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: Just resigned with the Chiefs, So I like splain just
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: to Bobby Gap he just signed with the brave guy
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: of Brabes. Guy.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: I would love Bobby Ye can explain for sure his
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: his third and one stop on Derrick Henry twenty twenty
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: on the goal line on the map.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: How about Cooper jeans stick on hen Wow, yeah, great
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: four it was it was, It was nice book.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: I would produce some corners.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: If you could go anywhere else besides Boston College, if
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: you if this is all gonna end the same exact way,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: you couldn't go to Boston College, where would you go?
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: Probably probably big ten school?
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which one would that be?
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, would have been fun Nor?
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not I might say Michigan. I'm not
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: going to say O High State. Those are the two
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: easy ones. I feel like playing that playing linebacker at
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: Penn State.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: Yea with like a like a sick sick cowboys sticking out.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, plus Leslie LeVar Arrington and the Parsons they got
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: the kid now Abdual Carter.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had some freaks there. Yeah, you could have
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: wore a black shirt.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: Is that? How is that?
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: Holmet? The game news back there? No is that in
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: the brass got a nice one.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: Just reps the classic, the classic game. Luke knows we
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: stopped the mudhole in their ass for what was it? What?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: Stripe Bowl? Stripe Bowl he's waited the whole podcast to say, yeah, just.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: Waiting, and he tried to pretend like he didn't know
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: the name of it.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: They said that they put that on the board up there. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: because I.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: Waited to uh, I waited until we were up to
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: hit the group chat to talk ship.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah it's all right.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you like Bill O'Brien, like him a lot. Yeah,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: A big fan of him.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: Just he is Boston College football, tough, physical run of football.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: He's greatly He did a great job last year. I'm
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: excited for for this year for him.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: So all right, okay, yeah, I see we got a
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: standing round of applause for hats all.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yeah, thanks for turning.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for turning to the airkind yees we're waiting
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: for you to go
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: Hmm