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Male Victims of Domestic Abuse: Recognizing the Signs & Getting Help (with Ann Silvers) · Around the House with Eric G®: Home Improvement Remodeling & DIY

0:53
Foreign.
0:58
Welcome
0:59
to
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around
0:59
the
0:59
house.
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I'm
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Eric
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G.
1:01
This
1:01
weekend
1:02
for
1:02
Father's
1:02
Day
1:03
and
1:03
Men's
1:03
Health
1:04
Month,
1:04
we're
1:04
tackling
1:05
a
1:05
topic
1:05
that's
1:06
been
1:06
unspoken
1:07
for
1:07
far
1:07
too
1:07
long.
1:08
Male
1:08
victims
1:09
of
1:09
domestic
1:09
violence
1:10
and
1:10
abuse.
1:11
Years
1:11
ago,
1:12
I
1:12
was
1:12
one
1:12
of
1:12
them.
1:13
Back
1:13
then,
1:14
resources
1:14
were
1:14
almost
1:15
impossible
1:16
to
1:16
find.
1:16
That's
1:17
why
1:17
today
1:17
we're
1:18
having
1:18
a
1:18
real
1:18
conversation,
1:19
sharing
1:20
stories,
1:20
busting
1:21
myths,
1:21
and
1:22
most
1:22
importantly,
1:23
giving
1:23
you
1:24
the
1:24
help
1:24
that
1:24
that's
1:24
available.
1:25
Now,
1:26
fellas,
1:26
if
1:26
you're
1:27
dealing
1:27
with
1:27
emotional
1:27
abuse,
1:28
physical
1:28
intimidation,
1:29
financial
1:30
control,
1:31
or
1:31
anything
1:31
that
1:32
makes
1:32
you
1:32
feel
1:32
unsafe
1:33
in
1:33
your
1:33
own
1:33
home,
1:34
you
1:34
are
1:34
not
1:35
alone.
1:35
Help
1:36
exists.
1:37
We'll
1:37
be
1:37
covering
1:38
warning
1:38
signs,
1:38
safety
1:39
planning,
1:39
local
1:40
resources,
1:41
and
1:41
how
1:41
to
1:41
support
1:41
someone
1:42
who's
1:42
struggling.
1:43
Stick
1:44
with
1:44
me
1:44
on
1:44
this.
1:45
This
1:45
hour
1:45
could
1:46
change
1:46
a
1:46
life
1:47
or
1:47
maybe
1:47
even
1:48
save
1:48
one.
1:49
Welcome
1:50
to
1:50
the
1:50
around
1:50
the
1:50
House
1:51
show,
1:51
your
1:51
trusted
1:52
source
1:52
for
1:52
everything
1:52
about
1:53
your
1:53
home.
1:53
I'm
1:53
Eric
1:54
G.
1:54
Thanks
1:54
for
1:54
joining.
1:56
This
1:56
episode
1:57
is
1:57
going
1:57
to
1:57
be
1:57
a
1:58
little
1:58
bit
1:58
different.
1:59
This
1:59
is
2:00
part
2:00
of
2:00
our
2:00
new
2:01
health
2:01
and
2:01
lifestyle
2:02
series
2:02
that
2:02
we're
2:02
doing
2:03
here
2:03
on
2:03
the
2:03
show
2:04
and
2:04
what
2:04
I
2:04
call
2:05
added
2:05
and
2:05
bonus
2:06
content.
2:07
And
2:07
I
2:07
thought
2:07
we'd
2:08
start
2:08
out
2:08
the
2:08
first
2:09
one
2:09
with
2:09
my
2:09
friend
2:10
and
2:10
author
2:11
Ann
2:11
Silvers.
2:12
Welcome
2:12
to
2:12
around
2:13
the
2:13
House,
2:13
my
2:13
friend.
2:14
Glad
2:15
to
2:15
be
2:15
here.
2:16
Wow.
2:16
Your
2:16
inaugural
2:18
session.
2:19
Yeah.
2:19
This
2:20
is
2:20
such
2:20
an
2:20
important
2:21
topic
2:23
and
2:23
it's
2:23
back
2:23
in
2:24
the
2:24
news
2:24
again.
2:25
We
2:25
had
2:26
a
2:26
few
2:26
years
2:26
ago,
2:27
we
2:27
had
2:27
the
2:27
world
2:27
of
2:28
Johnny
2:29
Depp
2:30
and
2:30
all
2:30
of
2:31
that.
2:31
And
2:32
now
2:32
you've
2:33
come
2:33
out
2:33
with
2:34
the
2:34
second
2:34
edition
2:35
of
2:35
your
2:35
book,
2:36
a
2:36
new
2:37
revised
2:37
version.
2:38
And
2:38
let's
2:39
talk
2:39
about
2:39
that
2:39
today.
2:40
And
2:41
by
2:41
the
2:41
way,
2:41
guys,
2:42
this
2:42
involves
2:43
me.
2:43
So
2:43
this
2:43
is
2:44
a
2:44
very
2:44
personal
2:44
side
2:45
of
2:45
this
2:45
too.
2:46
Yeah,
2:46
yeah,
2:48
yeah.
2:48
Just
2:48
yesterday
2:48
there's
2:49
big
2:49
news
2:49
about
2:50
a
2:50
woman,
2:51
I
2:51
can't
2:52
remember,
2:52
it's
2:52
Colorado.
2:54
She
2:54
had
2:54
poisoned
2:55
her
2:55
husband
2:56
by,
2:57
by
2:58
putting
2:59
a
2:59
huge
3:00
dose
3:00
of
3:00
fentanyl
3:01
in
3:01
his
3:01
Moscow
3:02
Mule.
3:02
And
3:03
just,
3:04
and
3:04
she
3:04
was
3:04
found
3:05
guilty
3:05
recently
3:05
and
3:06
just
3:06
sentenced
3:06
yesterday
3:07
to
3:07
life
3:07
in
3:08
prison.
3:09
I
3:09
watched
3:10
that
3:10
and
3:10
got
3:11
chills
3:11
on
3:12
it
3:12
because
3:12
it
3:12
was
3:12
on
3:12
like
3:13
a.
3:13
I'm
3:14
going
3:14
to
3:14
mess
3:14
it
3:14
up.
3:14
It
3:14
was
3:14
dateline.
3:15
It
3:15
was
3:15
2020.
3:16
It
3:16
was
3:16
one
3:16
of
3:16
those
3:16
evening
3:17
one
3:18
hour,
3:18
two
3:18
hour
3:18
murder
3:19
shows
3:19
that
3:19
they
3:19
have
3:20
the
3:20
air
3:20
on
3:20
network
3:21
TV
3:21
on
3:22
Friday
3:22
or
3:22
Saturday
3:23
nights,
3:23
whatever
3:23
night
3:23
it
3:23
was.
3:25
And
3:25
I
3:25
was
3:25
watching
3:26
that.
3:26
And
3:27
holy
3:28
smokes,
3:29
she
3:29
was
3:30
so
3:30
out
3:30
of
3:31
it
3:31
from
3:31
what
3:31
I
3:31
saw
3:32
at
3:32
least
3:33
that
3:33
she
3:33
wrote
3:34
a
3:34
book
3:34
about
3:34
her
3:34
kids
3:35
not
3:35
having
3:35
the
3:35
dad
3:36
to
3:36
try
3:36
to
3:36
kind
3:36
of
3:37
hide
3:37
it.
3:38
Oh,
3:38
yeah,
3:39
she,
3:39
well,
3:39
she
3:39
drew
3:39
attention.
3:40
So
3:40
I
3:40
think
3:40
we
3:40
haven't
3:41
yet
3:41
mentioned
3:41
the
3:41
name
3:42
of
3:42
the
3:42
book.
3:42
Oh,
3:43
yes.
3:43
And
3:43
the
3:43
topic
3:44
let's
3:44
do
3:45
it's
3:46
Abuse
3:46
of
3:46
men
3:46
by
3:47
Women.
3:48
It
3:48
happens,
3:48
it
3:48
hurts.
3:49
Let's
3:49
Deal
3:49
with
3:49
It
3:50
is
3:50
the
3:51
title.
3:51
Now
3:52
I
3:52
had
3:52
a
3:52
slightly
3:52
different
3:53
subtitle
3:54
at
3:54
the
3:54
end.
3:54
I
3:54
had.
3:55
Instead
3:55
of
3:55
let's
3:55
Deal
3:55
With
3:56
It
3:56
I
3:57
had
3:57
it's
3:57
time
3:57
to
3:58
get
3:58
real
3:58
about
3:58
it.
3:59
And
3:59
so
3:59
to
3:59
move
4:00
to.
4:00
There's
4:01
10
4:01
years
4:01
between
4:02
the
4:03
two
4:03
books
4:03
and
4:04
there
4:04
has
4:04
been
4:04
some
4:05
movement
4:05
forward
4:06
on
4:06
the
4:06
topic.
4:07
Johnny
4:07
Depp
4:08
I
4:08
think
4:08
is
4:09
a
4:09
lot
4:09
of
4:09
the
4:09
reason
4:09
why
4:10
it
4:10
moved
4:10
forward.
4:11
So
4:11
the
4:11
subtitle
4:12
I
4:12
wanted
4:12
it
4:13
to
4:13
reflect
4:13
we
4:13
are
4:13
in
4:14
a
4:14
different
4:14
time.
4:15
We
4:15
still
4:15
have
4:16
lots
4:16
of
4:17
room
4:17
for
4:17
growth
4:18
and
4:19
around
4:19
awareness
4:20
and
4:21
the
4:21
system
4:22
in
4:23
terms
4:23
of
4:23
handling
4:24
it.
4:24
Double
4:25
standards.
4:26
Double
4:26
standards.
4:27
Men
4:28
being
4:28
able
4:28
to
4:28
recognize
4:29
what's
4:29
happening
4:30
to
4:30
them.
4:31
Women
4:31
being
4:31
taken
4:32
to
4:32
account.
4:34
Yeah,
4:35
it's
4:35
wild.
4:36
And
4:36
one
4:37
of
4:37
those
4:37
what
4:37
you're
4:37
mentioning
4:38
there,
4:38
I
4:38
think
4:38
it
4:38
was
4:39
just
4:39
this
4:39
week.
4:39
Yeah.
4:40
She
4:40
got
4:40
sentenced
4:40
to
4:41
life
4:41
in
4:41
prison
4:41
on
4:41
that.
4:43
The
4:43
almost
4:43
Johnny
4:44
Depp
4:45
ish
4:45
story
4:46
that's
4:46
been
4:46
coming
4:47
out
4:47
this
4:47
year
4:47
was
4:48
the
4:48
whole
4:48
thing
4:48
with
4:49
the
4:49
Bachelorette.
4:50
I
4:50
don't
4:50
know
4:50
if
4:50
you
4:50
saw
4:50
that
4:51
for
4:52
sure.
4:52
I
4:52
mean
4:53
holy
4:54
smokes.
4:54
That
4:54
whole
4:55
thing
4:55
that
4:56
has
4:56
been
4:56
going
4:56
out
4:57
and
4:57
again,
4:57
I,
4:58
I,
4:58
I
4:58
don't
4:59
watch
4:59
a
4:59
lot
4:59
of
4:59
these
5:00
reality
5:00
shows.
5:00
It's
5:01
not
5:01
my
5:01
thing.
5:02
But
5:02
that
5:02
whole
5:03
Mormon
5:03
wives
5:04
and
5:04
Taylor
5:04
Frankie
5:05
Paul's
5:05
domestic
5:06
violence
5:06
stuff
5:07
again
5:09
was
5:09
insane.
5:10
And
5:11
there's
5:11
always
5:11
a
5:12
he
5:12
said,
5:13
she
5:13
said
5:13
part
5:14
of
5:14
it.
5:14
But
5:14
when
5:16
one
5:16
of
5:16
the
5:16
co
5:17
stars
5:17
in
5:17
that
5:18
show
5:18
released
5:18
the
5:19
video
5:20
of
5:20
her
5:21
throwing
5:21
those
5:21
bar
5:22
stools
5:22
and
5:23
there's
5:24
one
5:25
of
5:25
the
5:25
things
5:25
I
5:25
hear
5:26
out,
5:26
oh,
5:27
she
5:28
weighs
5:28
90
5:28
pounds.
5:29
What
5:29
hurt
5:29
could
5:30
she
5:30
do?
5:31
She
5:31
was
5:32
hawking
5:32
barstools
5:33
probably
5:33
better
5:33
than
5:34
I
5:34
was.
5:34
Hook
5:34
could
5:35
ever
5:35
huck
5:35
barstools
5:36
bouncing
5:37
off
5:37
head,
5:37
bouncing
5:38
them
5:38
off
5:38
her
5:38
kid.
5:39
And,
5:39
and
5:39
I
5:40
usually
5:40
say
5:40
allegedly
5:41
but
5:42
there's
5:42
video
5:42
that's
5:43
that
5:43
made
5:44
it
5:44
into
5:44
that
5:44
show.
5:45
The
5:46
video
5:46
was
5:46
very
5:47
profound.
5:47
I
5:48
think
5:48
another
5:48
level
5:49
of
5:49
awakening
5:50
for
5:50
people
5:50
when
5:50
they
5:51
can
5:51
see
5:51
it.
5:52
Yep.
5:52
And
5:53
you
5:53
know
5:53
what?
5:54
It,
5:54
when
5:54
it
5:54
happened
5:55
that
5:55
it
5:55
happened
5:56
to
5:56
you.
5:56
Yeah.
5:56
But
5:57
it
5:57
can
5:57
be
5:57
hard
5:57
for
5:58
other
5:58
people
5:58
to
5:59
recognize
6:00
it
6:00
and
6:01
without
6:01
their
6:02
brain
6:02
going
6:02
to
6:02
this,
6:02
minimizing
6:03
it
6:04
kind
6:04
of
6:04
just
6:04
like
6:04
you
6:04
kind
6:05
of
6:05
walk
6:05
through.
6:06
And
6:06
so
6:06
I
6:06
love
6:07
the,
6:07
I
6:07
mean
6:07
the
6:08
video
6:08
is
6:08
very
6:08
dramatic
6:09
and,
6:10
and
6:11
so
6:11
there's
6:12
five,
6:12
there's
6:12
at
6:13
least
6:13
five
6:13
ways.
6:13
Five,
6:16
five
6:17
ways
6:17
that
6:17
women
6:18
overcome
6:18
their
6:18
size
6:19
disadvantage
6:20
when
6:21
they
6:21
are
6:21
physically
6:22
abusing
6:22
their
6:22
male
6:23
partner.
6:24
So
6:24
let's
6:24
see
6:24
how
6:24
many
6:25
of
6:25
them
6:25
I
6:25
can
6:25
name.
6:26
So
6:26
one
6:26
is
6:27
throwing
6:27
things.
6:28
Okay.
6:28
So
6:28
we
6:28
got
6:29
that
6:29
in,
6:29
in
6:30
that
6:30
Bachelorette
6:31
video,
6:32
she's
6:32
throwing
6:32
something
6:33
that
6:34
can
6:34
really
6:34
hurt
6:35
somebody.
6:35
Right.
6:35
So
6:36
she's
6:36
throwing
6:36
heavy
6:37
barstools.
6:38
And
6:39
it's
6:39
a
6:39
bit
6:39
of
6:39
physics
6:40
that
6:40
when
6:40
something
6:41
is
6:42
got
6:42
that
6:42
distance,
6:43
it
6:43
can
6:43
do
6:44
more
6:44
harm
6:45
and
6:45
she
6:45
can
6:46
be
6:46
a
6:46
distance
6:46
away
6:47
and
6:47
still
6:48
create
6:48
harm.
6:50
Then
6:50
another
6:50
one
6:51
that
6:52
I
6:52
saw
6:52
play
6:53
out
6:53
in
6:53
that
6:53
video,
6:54
another
6:55
one
6:55
of
6:55
the
6:55
ways
6:55
that
6:56
women
6:56
overcome
6:56
their
6:56
sizes
6:57
disadvantage
6:58
is
6:58
by
6:58
men
6:59
doing
6:59
the
7:01
man
7:01
manly
7:02
thing
7:02
of
7:02
not
7:03
hitting
7:03
a
7:03
girl
7:05
so
7:05
he
7:05
doesn't
7:06
pick
7:06
up
7:06
the
7:06
barstool
7:06
and
7:07
throw
7:07
it
7:07
back
7:07
at
7:07
her.
7:08
Exactly.
7:08
Like
7:09
you
7:09
might
7:09
do
7:09
if
7:09
two
7:10
guys
7:10
are
7:10
fighting.
7:10
Right.
7:11
No
7:11
question.
7:11
Yeah.
7:12
If
7:12
that
7:12
was
7:12
a
7:12
buddy
7:13
and
7:14
we're
7:14
having
7:14
some
7:14
kind
7:15
of
7:15
argument
7:15
and
7:16
a
7:16
barstool
7:16
flies,
7:17
there's
7:17
another
7:17
barstool
7:18
or
7:18
a
7:18
fist
7:18
going.
7:18
And
7:18
it's
7:19
an
7:19
equal
7:19
fight.
7:19
Yeah.
7:20
And
7:20
so.
7:20
And
7:21
we
7:21
know
7:21
she
7:21
wasn't
7:22
that
7:22
afraid
7:22
of
7:22
him
7:23
because
7:24
she
7:24
actually
7:24
physically
7:25
advances
7:26
towards
7:26
him.
7:27
So
7:27
she's
7:28
already
7:28
thrown
7:28
barstools
7:29
at
7:29
him
7:29
and
7:29
then
7:30
she
7:30
comes
7:30
towards
7:30
him.
7:30
She's
7:31
not
7:31
afraid
7:31
of
7:31
him.
7:32
No.
7:33
And
7:33
like
7:33
I
7:33
had
7:34
a
7:34
guy
7:34
who
7:35
was
7:35
elderly,
7:36
when
7:36
he
7:37
was
7:37
talking
7:38
to
7:38
me
7:38
about
7:38
his
7:38
story,
7:39
he
7:40
had
7:40
endured
7:40
like
7:41
severe
7:41
physical
7:42
abuse
7:42
from
7:42
his
7:43
ex
7:43
wife
7:43
for
7:44
like
7:44
20
7:44
years.
7:45
And
7:45
she
7:46
would
7:46
beat
7:46
him
7:46
up
7:46
in
7:47
front
7:47
of
7:47
the
7:47
kids.
7:48
He
7:48
one
7:48
time
7:49
tried
7:49
to
7:49
squish
7:49
himself
7:50
under
7:50
the
7:50
kids
7:51
bunk
7:51
beds
7:51
to
7:52
try
7:52
and
7:52
get
7:52
away
7:52
from
7:53
her
7:53
kicking
7:54
and
7:54
she
7:55
would
7:55
choke
7:55
him.
7:56
He
7:56
would
7:57
put
7:57
his
7:57
hands
7:58
in
7:58
his
7:58
pockets
7:59
to
7:59
stop
8:00
himself
8:00
from
8:01
hitting
8:01
her
8:01
back.
8:02
Yeah.
8:03
And
8:03
he
8:03
didn't
8:04
even
8:04
identify
8:04
as
8:05
being
8:05
abused
8:05
until
8:06
he
8:06
went
8:06
to
8:06
work
8:07
with
8:08
a
8:08
black
8:08
eye.
8:10
And
8:10
his
8:10
co
8:11
worker,
8:11
who
8:11
I
8:11
suspect
8:12
was
8:12
already
8:13
like
8:14
seeing
8:14
the
8:14
signs
8:15
for
8:15
some
8:15
period
8:15
of
8:15
time.
8:16
Sure.
8:16
And
8:17
a
8:17
lot
8:17
of
8:17
people
8:17
will
8:18
hold
8:18
back
8:19
from
8:19
saying
8:19
anything.
8:20
You
8:20
don't
8:20
know
8:21
what
8:21
to
8:21
say.
8:21
You
8:22
don't
8:22
want
8:22
to
8:22
embarrass
8:22
the
8:22
person,
8:23
et
8:23
cetera.
8:25
So
8:25
he
8:25
went
8:25
to
8:25
work
8:25
with
8:25
the
8:25
black
8:26
guy.
8:26
The
8:26
co
8:26
worker
8:27
says,
8:27
what
8:27
happened
8:28
to
8:28
you?
8:28
And
8:28
he
8:28
did
8:29
the
8:29
classic
8:29
I
8:29
walked
8:30
into
8:30
a
8:30
door
8:31
kind
8:31
of
8:32
thing.
8:32
And.
8:32
And
8:33
the
8:33
co
8:33
worker
8:33
pressed
8:34
him
8:34
and
8:35
until
8:35
he
8:36
said,
8:36
well,
8:36
my
8:36
wife
8:37
hit
8:37
me.
8:37
And
8:37
the
8:37
co
8:37
worker
8:38
said,
8:39
you're
8:39
an
8:39
abused
8:40
man.
8:40
Yeah.
8:41
And
8:41
it
8:42
was
8:42
an
8:42
awakening
8:43
after
8:43
20
8:44
years
8:44
of
8:44
putting
8:44
up
8:45
with
8:45
this.
8:45
Yeah,
8:46
yeah.
8:47
And
8:47
that's
8:47
insane.
8:48
Yeah.
8:48
But
8:49
that's
8:49
how
8:49
everybody
8:51
processes
8:51
things
8:52
differently.
8:53
And,
8:53
and
8:54
I'm
8:54
not
8:54
saying
8:54
this
8:55
to
8:55
say
8:56
that
8:56
one
8:56
is
8:56
worse
8:56
than
8:57
the
8:57
other.
8:57
All
8:57
abuse
8:58
is
8:58
bad.
8:58
But
8:58
this
8:59
is
8:59
something
8:59
that
8:59
is
8:59
just
9:00
so
9:01
underreported
9:02
and
9:02
not
9:03
talked
9:03
about.
9:03
And
9:04
that's
9:04
the
9:04
whole
9:04
reason
9:04
why
9:05
we
9:06
need
9:06
to
9:06
do
9:06
more
9:06
of
9:06
that.
9:07
Yeah,
9:08
yeah.
9:08
And
9:08
that's
9:09
the
9:09
reason
9:09
why
9:09
the
9:09
guy
9:10
didn't
9:10
recognize
9:11
for
9:11
20
9:11
years
9:11
till
9:11
somebody
9:12
named
9:12
it.
9:12
He
9:13
didn't.
9:13
He
9:14
didn't
9:14
know.
9:15
And.
9:15
And
9:15
we.
9:16
And
9:16
I
9:16
think
9:16
we
9:17
set
9:17
men
9:17
up
9:18
because
9:18
we're
9:19
not
9:19
talking
9:19
about
9:19
it
9:20
enough.
9:20
Some
9:20
men
9:21
don't
9:21
know.
9:21
Don't
9:22
know
9:22
the
9:22
red
9:23
flags
9:23
to
9:23
look
9:23
for.
9:24
Don't
9:24
even
9:24
know
9:24
they
9:24
should
9:25
be
9:25
looking
9:25
for
9:25
it.
9:26
Don't
9:27
know
9:27
this
9:27
can
9:27
happen
9:27
to
9:28
them
9:28
and
9:28
then
9:28
are
9:29
confused
9:29
when
9:29
it
9:30
does
9:30
100%.
9:31
And
9:32
trust
9:32
me,
9:32
guys,
9:33
I've
9:34
been
9:34
in
9:34
this
9:34
boat,
9:35
no
9:35
shame
9:35
towards
9:36
this
9:36
guy.
9:36
I
9:37
was
9:37
in
9:37
the
9:37
same
9:37
thing
9:38
where
9:38
it
9:38
wasn't
9:38
20
9:39
years,
9:39
but
9:40
I
9:40
put
9:41
myself
9:41
in
9:41
that
9:41
position.
9:42
Didn't
9:42
recognize
9:43
it.
9:44
Didn't
9:44
know
9:44
how
9:44
to
9:44
deal
9:44
with
9:45
it.
9:45
And,
9:46
yeah,
9:46
things
9:46
get
9:46
out
9:47
of
9:47
hand
9:47
quickly.
9:48
Yeah.
9:49
So
9:50
back
9:50
to
9:50
the
9:50
five,
9:51
because
9:51
I'm
9:51
gonna
9:52
switch
9:52
us
9:52
up
9:52
and.
9:53
Okay,
9:53
back
9:53
to
9:54
the
9:54
five.
9:54
So
9:54
we
9:54
named.
9:55
We
9:55
named
9:56
throwing
9:56
things.
9:57
Yep.
9:57
We
9:57
named
9:58
man
9:58
not
9:58
fight
9:59
woman.
9:59
Counting
10:00
on
10:00
a
10:00
man
10:00
not
10:01
to
10:01
fight
10:01
back.
10:02
Yep.
10:02
Another
10:03
one
10:03
is
10:04
when
10:04
surprise,
10:05
surprise
10:06
attacks.
10:06
Yep.
10:07
Well,
10:07
there's.
10:07
That
10:08
happened
10:08
to
10:08
me
10:08
exactly.
10:09
While
10:10
they're
10:10
sleeping,
10:12
while
10:12
they're
10:12
driving,
10:13
while
10:13
their
10:13
back
10:13
is
10:14
turned.
10:14
Yep.
10:15
Another
10:15
one
10:16
is
10:16
like
10:16
when
10:16
they're
10:17
in
10:17
a
10:17
vulnerable
10:17
position
10:18
so
10:19
they
10:19
could
10:19
be
10:19
intoxicated.
10:20
If
10:21
you
10:21
or
10:21
someone
10:21
you
10:22
know
10:22
is
10:22
struggling,
10:23
help
10:23
is
10:23
available
10:24
right
10:24
now.
10:25
Call
10:25
the
10:25
national
10:26
domestic
10:26
violence
10:27
hotline
10:27
at
10:28
1-800-799-SAFE7233,
10:33
or
10:33
text
10:33
START
10:34
to
10:34
88788.
10:37
The
10:37
around
10:37
the
10:38
House
10:38
show
10:38
will
10:38
be
10:38
right
10:39
back
10:39
with
10:39
more
10:39
real
10:40
talk
10:40
and
10:40
warning
10:41
signs
10:41
after
10:42
this.
10:51
And
12:16
the
12:16
kids
12:17
these
12:17
days
12:17
will
12:18
never
12:19
understand
12:22
what
12:22
it's
12:22
like
12:23
to
12:23
play
12:23
an
12:24
instrument,
12:25
to
12:25
be
12:26
in
12:26
a
12:26
band.
12:27
What's
12:28
up?
12:28
This
12:28
is
12:28
Sticks
12:29
it
12:29
in
12:29
YA
12:29
and.
12:30
Satchel
12:30
from
12:31
Steel
12:31
Panther.
12:32
And
12:32
you
12:33
are
12:33
listening
12:33
to
12:34
around
12:34
the.
12:34
House
12:35
with
12:35
Eric
12:35
G.
12:36
Yeah,
12:37
we
12:37
love.
12:38
Eric
12:38
G.
12:39
And
12:39
you
12:39
should,
12:39
too.
12:42
Welcome
12:42
back
12:43
to
12:43
the
12:43
around
12:43
the
12:44
House
12:44
show.
12:44
For
12:45
Men's
12:45
Health
12:45
month
12:46
and
12:46
Father's
12:46
Day,
12:47
we
12:47
are
12:47
doing
12:47
a
12:48
special
12:48
show.
12:49
We're
12:49
talking
12:50
with
12:50
Author
12:50
Anne
12:51
Silvers,
12:51
MA,
12:52
about
12:52
her
12:52
book
12:53
abuse
12:53
of
12:53
men
12:54
by
12:54
women,
12:55
a
12:55
topic
12:55
Eric
12:56
G.
12:56
Knows
12:57
personally.
12:58
If
12:58
you
12:58
or
12:59
someone
12:59
you
12:59
know
12:59
is
13:00
struggling,
13:00
help
13:01
is
13:01
available
13:01
right
13:02
now.
13:03
Call
13:03
the
13:03
national
13:03
domestic
13:04
violence
13:05
hotline
13:05
at
13:06
1-800-799-SAFE
13:08
7233.
13:10
Or
13:11
text
13:11
START
13:12
to
13:12
88788.
13:15
Now
13:15
let's
13:15
get
13:15
back
13:16
to
13:16
the
13:16
conversation.
13:17
So
13:17
back
13:18
to
13:18
the
13:18
five,
13:18
because
13:18
I'm
13:19
gonna
13:19
switch
13:19
us
13:20
up
13:20
and.
13:20
Okay.
13:21
Back
13:21
to
13:21
the
13:21
five.
13:21
So
13:22
we
13:22
named.
13:22
We
13:23
named
13:23
throwing
13:24
things.
13:24
Yep.
13:25
We
13:25
named
13:25
man
13:26
not
13:26
fight
13:26
woman.
13:27
Counting
13:27
on
13:28
a
13:28
man
13:28
not
13:28
to
13:28
fight
13:29
back.
13:29
Yep.
13:30
Another
13:30
one
13:31
is
13:31
when
13:32
surprise,
13:33
surprise
13:33
Attacks.
13:34
Yep.
13:35
While
13:35
they're.
13:35
That
13:35
happened
13:35
to
13:36
me
13:36
exactly.
13:37
While
13:37
they're
13:37
sleeping
13:39
and
13:39
while
13:39
they're
13:40
driving.
13:40
While
13:41
their
13:41
back
13:41
is
13:41
turned.
13:42
Yep.
13:42
Another
13:43
one
13:43
is
13:44
like
13:44
when
13:44
they're
13:44
in
13:44
a
13:44
vulnerable
13:45
position.
13:46
So
13:46
they
13:46
could
13:46
be
13:47
intoxicated
13:48
or
13:50
sick.
13:50
Hurt.
13:51
Yeah.
13:51
One
13:52
man
13:52
in
13:53
particular
13:53
has
13:53
told
13:54
me
13:54
that
13:54
the
13:55
violence
13:55
got
13:55
much
13:56
worse
13:57
after
13:57
they
13:57
had
13:57
a
13:57
child
13:59
and
13:59
she
14:00
would
14:00
physically
14:00
attack
14:01
him
14:01
while
14:01
he
14:02
was
14:02
holding
14:02
the
14:02
child.
14:04
A
14:05
baby.
14:05
And.
14:05
And
14:06
so
14:06
he
14:06
couldn't
14:07
fight
14:07
back.
14:08
Yeah.
14:08
And
14:08
that's
14:08
tough.
14:09
And
14:09
then.
14:10
And
14:11
not
14:11
only
14:11
is
14:12
there,
14:12
but
14:12
there's
14:12
also
14:13
financial
14:14
stuff
14:14
out
14:14
there
14:14
as
14:15
well.
14:15
When.
14:15
When
14:16
financial
14:16
times
14:17
are
14:17
tough.
14:17
I've
14:18
seen
14:18
it
14:18
then
14:18
too,
14:18
where
14:19
maybe
14:19
the.
14:21
The
14:22
man
14:22
doesn't
14:22
have
14:22
a
14:23
way
14:23
to
14:23
get
14:23
out
14:23
of
14:23
the
14:24
situation
14:25
and
14:25
they're
14:25
just
14:25
barely
14:26
making
14:26
along.
14:27
It
14:27
seems
14:27
like,
14:27
oh,
14:28
we're
14:28
vulnerable.
14:29
Okay,
14:29
let's
14:29
go.
14:30
Oh,
14:31
for
14:31
sure.
14:31
Or
14:31
they're
14:32
trapped
14:32
by
14:33
a
14:33
child
14:34
or
14:34
by
14:35
a
14:35
marriage
14:36
or
14:36
some
14:36
level
14:37
of
14:37
commitment,
14:37
like
14:37
living
14:38
together
14:38
even.
14:39
Yeah.
14:39
They
14:39
can
14:40
use
14:40
commitment
14:40
as
14:41
a
14:41
way
14:42
to
14:43
keep
14:43
attacking.
14:45
Yeah.
14:45
It's
14:46
wild
14:46
Again.
14:47
The
14:47
first
14:47
time
14:47
I
14:48
ever
14:48
had
14:48
violence
14:48
against
14:49
me
14:49
was
14:50
a
14:51
sneak
14:51
attack
14:52
and
14:52
alarm
14:53
clock
14:53
coming
14:53
from
14:54
my
14:54
head
14:54
in
14:54
my
14:55
sleep.
14:55
It
14:56
one
14:56
o'
14:56
clock
14:56
in
14:56
the
14:56
morning
14:56
when
14:57
I
14:57
was
14:57
sleeping.
14:58
So
14:58
these
14:58
are
14:59
things
14:59
that.
14:59
And
15:00
no
15:00
warning.
15:01
That
15:01
was
15:01
my
15:02
first
15:02
time
15:02
dealing
15:02
with
15:03
it.
15:03
And
15:03
all
15:03
of
15:03
a
15:03
sudden
15:04
you're
15:04
put
15:04
in
15:04
a
15:04
really
15:05
horrible
15:05
situation.
15:06
And
15:06
for
15:07
me,
15:07
I
15:07
was
15:08
so
15:08
lucky
15:09
that
15:10
I
15:10
didn't
15:11
wink,
15:12
wake
15:12
up
15:13
instinctually
15:14
trying
15:14
to
15:15
fight
15:15
back.
15:16
Yeah.
15:16
I
15:16
think
15:17
if
15:17
that
15:17
hall
15:18
light
15:18
hadn't
15:19
been
15:19
on
15:19
where
15:20
I
15:20
noticed
15:20
who
15:20
it
15:21
was
15:21
instantly,
15:22
I
15:22
could
15:23
have
15:23
put
15:23
myself
15:23
in
15:23
a
15:24
lot
15:24
of
15:24
legal
15:24
trouble.
15:25
Right.
15:26
Because
15:26
I
15:26
would
15:26
thought,
15:26
hey,
15:27
some
15:27
guy
15:27
broke
15:28
into
15:28
my
15:28
house
15:29
and
15:29
is
15:29
trying
15:30
to
15:30
kill
15:30
me.
15:31
It's
15:31
a
15:31
fight.
15:32
Right.
15:33
And
15:33
that
15:33
was
15:33
probably
15:34
part
15:34
of
15:35
her
15:35
intention
15:36
was
15:37
not
15:37
only
15:37
to
15:37
harm
15:38
you
15:38
physically,
15:39
but
15:39
to
15:39
get
15:40
you
15:40
to
15:40
react
15:41
in
15:41
a
15:41
way
15:41
where
15:42
she
15:42
could
15:42
call
15:42
the
15:43
police.
15:43
Yep.
15:44
Police
15:45
are.
15:45
Are
15:46
still
15:46
much
15:46
more
15:47
likely
15:47
to
15:47
arrest
15:48
a
15:48
guy
15:49
and
15:49
then
15:50
get
15:50
all
15:50
kinds
15:51
of
15:51
entrapment
15:51
going
15:52
on.
15:52
Financial,
15:53
legal.
15:55
And
15:55
you
15:56
know
15:56
what
15:56
that's
15:56
like
15:56
when.
15:57
Oh
15:57
yeah.
15:58
It's
15:58
expensive.
15:59
Yeah.
16:00
So
16:00
the
16:00
false
16:00
accusations.
16:02
So
16:02
sometimes
16:03
it'll
16:03
get
16:04
made
16:04
up
16:04
when
16:04
nothing
16:05
has
16:05
happened.
16:05
Yep.
16:06
When
16:06
the
16:06
guy
16:06
hasn't
16:07
done
16:07
anything
16:08
like.
16:08
Like
16:08
what
16:09
happened
16:09
to
16:09
you.
16:10
And
16:10
sometimes
16:11
it'll
16:11
happen
16:12
because
16:13
she
16:14
instigated.
16:15
Yeah.
16:15
100%.
16:16
100%.
16:18
And.
16:18
And
16:19
to
16:19
go
16:19
back
16:20
and.
16:20
And
16:20
this
16:21
is
16:21
a
16:21
problem
16:21
that
16:21
I
16:21
see
16:22
out
16:22
there
16:23
is
16:23
we're
16:24
making
16:24
progress.
16:24
But
16:25
in
16:25
this
16:25
whole
16:26
Taylor
16:26
Paul
16:27
thing
16:27
here
16:27
that
16:27
I'm
16:27
seeing,
16:28
Hulu
16:29
know,
16:29
knew
16:30
what
16:30
was
16:30
going
16:31
on
16:31
with
16:31
this.
16:32
And
16:32
they
16:33
used
16:33
it
16:33
to
16:33
market
16:33
the
16:34
show.
16:34
Yeah.
16:35
In
16:35
my
16:35
opinion,
16:36
they
16:36
used
16:36
it
16:37
to
16:37
market
16:37
the
16:37
show
16:38
I
16:38
saw
16:38
over
16:39
the
16:39
weekend.
16:39
Again,
16:39
this
16:40
is
16:40
a
16:40
show
16:40
I
16:40
never
16:41
would
16:41
have
16:41
watched.
16:41
But
16:42
over
16:42
Mother's
16:43
Day,
16:43
it
16:43
was
16:43
on
16:44
over
16:44
at
16:44
the
16:44
house
16:45
that
16:45
we
16:45
were
16:45
at,
16:46
and
16:47
one
16:47
of
16:47
the
16:48
people
16:48
in
16:48
the
16:48
house
16:48
was
16:48
watching
16:49
it,
16:49
and
16:49
I
16:49
was
16:49
just
16:50
like,
16:50
holy
16:51
smokes.
16:51
These
16:52
guys
16:52
knew
16:52
in
16:53
episode
16:53
one,
16:53
they
16:54
showed
16:54
the
16:54
video.
16:55
So
16:56
they
16:56
had
16:56
it.
16:56
And
16:57
in
16:57
the
16:57
first
16:57
episode
16:58
of
16:58
the
16:58
series,
16:58
they
16:59
addressed
16:59
it
17:00
and
17:00
just
17:00
kept
17:01
going.
17:01
And
17:01
I'm
17:01
like,
17:02
wow,
17:03
okay,
17:05
you
17:05
guys
17:05
still
17:06
went
17:06
with
17:06
it.
17:06
I
17:06
thought
17:06
they
17:06
canceled
17:07
the
17:07
season.
17:07
Did
17:07
they
17:08
re.
17:08
That
17:08
was
17:09
season
17:09
five
17:10
that
17:10
they
17:10
canceled.
17:11
That
17:11
they
17:11
haven't
17:12
done.
17:12
But
17:12
they
17:13
knew
17:13
through
17:13
season
17:14
one,
17:14
two,
17:14
three,
17:15
and
17:15
four,
17:16
they
17:17
knew
17:17
exactly
17:17
what
17:18
was
17:18
happening.
17:18
Okay.
17:20
Episode
17:21
one
17:21
that
17:21
I
17:21
saw
17:22
part
17:22
of
17:22
it
17:22
with,
17:23
they're
17:23
talking
17:23
about
17:24
it
17:24
and
17:24
that
17:24
brought
17:24
my
17:24
attention.
17:25
I'm
17:25
like,
17:25
you
17:26
guys
17:26
did
17:26
four
17:27
and
17:27
we're
17:27
gonna
17:28
do
17:28
five
17:28
seasons
17:29
until
17:29
this
17:29
got
17:29
released.
17:31
Yeah.
17:31
It's
17:31
just
17:31
not
17:31
taken
17:32
seriously
17:32
enough.
17:33
It's
17:33
not.
17:34
Because
17:35
what
17:35
they
17:35
did
17:36
was.
17:36
When
17:37
then.
17:37
When.
17:37
Oh,
17:38
it
17:38
was
17:38
the.
17:39
You
17:39
were
17:39
watching
17:39
Mormon
17:40
Wife.
17:40
So
17:40
it
17:40
was
17:40
the
17:40
Bachelorette
17:41
one.
17:41
Oh,
17:42
yeah.
17:42
That's
17:42
the
17:42
one
17:42
that
17:43
they.
17:43
Which
17:43
she
17:44
was.
17:44
They
17:44
were
17:44
pulling
17:44
her
17:45
on
17:45
because
17:45
they
17:45
wanted.
17:46
Her
17:46
mom's
17:47
a
17:47
tick
17:47
tock
17:48
whatever.
17:48
They
17:48
wanted
17:48
that
17:49
audience
17:49
to
17:49
catch
17:50
the
17:50
show.
17:50
Right.
17:51
They
17:51
knew
17:51
exactly
17:52
what
17:52
was
17:52
going
17:52
on.
17:53
ABC
17:53
knew
17:54
exactly
17:54
what
17:54
was
17:54
happening.
17:55
So
17:56
they
17:56
knew
17:57
they
17:57
had.
17:57
Were
17:58
making
17:58
an
17:58
abusive
17:59
woman
18:00
physically
18:01
dangerous.
18:02
A
18:02
physically
18:03
abusive
18:03
woman.
18:05
The
18:05
Bachelorette.
18:06
This
18:07
glorified.
18:08
And
18:08
then
18:08
get
18:09
men
18:09
to
18:09
vie
18:10
for
18:10
her
18:10
for
18:11
her
18:11
affection,
18:12
attention,
18:13
etc.
18:13
Disney.
18:15
Yeah,
18:15
I'm
18:15
sorry,
18:15
I'm
18:16
gonna
18:16
call
18:16
you
18:16
out
18:16
on
18:16
that.
18:16
Disney.
18:17
Come
18:17
on.
18:18
Yeah.
18:18
And
18:19
what
18:19
they
18:19
were
18:20
doing
18:20
in
18:20
reality
18:22
was
18:22
putting
18:23
all
18:23
those
18:23
other
18:23
men
18:24
in
18:24
danger.
18:26
And
18:26
that's
18:26
part
18:26
of
18:27
why
18:27
we
18:27
have
18:27
to
18:27
raise
18:28
awareness,
18:28
is
18:29
people
18:29
do
18:29
not
18:30
understand
18:31
that
18:31
this
18:31
is
18:31
actually
18:32
dangerous.
18:33
Yeah.
18:34
There's
18:35
all
18:35
kinds
18:35
of
18:36
partner
18:36
abuse,
18:36
but
18:37
the
18:37
end.
18:37
The
18:38
physically
18:38
abusive
18:39
stuff
18:39
is
18:40
physically
18:41
dangerous.
18:42
The
18:42
financially
18:43
abusive
18:43
stuff
18:43
is
18:44
financially
18:44
dangerous.
18:45
It
18:45
has
18:45
psychologically
18:46
abusive
18:47
stuff
18:47
is
18:47
psychologically
18:48
is
18:49
dangerous.
18:50
Yeah.
18:50
And
18:50
people
18:51
need
18:52
to
18:52
recognize
18:52
that
18:53
so
18:53
that
18:53
they
18:53
will
18:54
get
18:54
away
18:54
from
18:55
it
18:55
before
18:56
they
18:56
are
18:56
more
18:56
harmed.
18:58
Yeah.
18:58
It's
18:58
interesting.
18:59
And.
18:59
And
19:00
it
19:00
was
19:00
so
19:00
interesting
19:01
that
19:02
I
19:02
knew.
19:03
I
19:03
know
19:04
that
19:04
ABC
19:05
had
19:05
seen
19:05
that
19:05
video,
19:06
but
19:06
until
19:06
it
19:07
showed
19:07
up
19:07
on
19:07
TMZ
19:08
and
19:09
it
19:09
was
19:09
made
19:09
public.
19:10
Yeah.
19:11
They
19:11
went.
19:12
All
19:12
of
19:12
a
19:12
sudden,
19:12
everybody
19:13
clutches
19:14
the
19:14
pearls
19:14
and
19:14
goes,
19:14
oh,
19:15
my
19:15
gosh,
19:15
we
19:15
gotta
19:15
take
19:16
this
19:16
down.
19:16
I'm
19:16
like,
19:17
you
19:17
are
19:17
banking
19:18
on
19:18
that.
19:18
And
19:19
to
19:19
me,
19:19
the
19:19
double
19:20
standard
19:20
is
19:20
insane.
19:21
If
19:21
you
19:21
Go
19:21
back
19:21
and
19:21
watch
19:22
an
19:22
old
19:22
James
19:22
Bond
19:22
movie
19:23
and
19:23
James
19:23
Bond
19:25
slaps
19:25
the
19:25
Bond
19:26
girl
19:26
in
19:26
the
19:27
movie.
19:27
People
19:27
go,
19:27
oh,
19:28
my
19:28
gosh.
19:29
But
19:29
if
19:30
a
19:30
guy
19:30
gets
19:30
kicked
19:31
in
19:31
the
19:31
groin,
19:32
there's
19:33
a
19:33
laugh
19:33
track
19:34
attached
19:34
to
19:34
it.
19:35
Yeah.
19:36
And
19:37
both
19:37
are
19:37
equal.
19:38
Yeah.
19:39
Yeah.
19:39
There
19:39
was,
19:39
there's
19:40
been
19:40
like
19:40
there
19:40
was
19:40
a
19:41
Super
19:41
bowl
19:41
movie
19:42
before
19:42
I
19:43
wrote
19:43
the
19:43
first
19:43
edition
19:44
of
19:44
the
19:45
book
19:45
and
19:45
so
19:45
it
19:45
made
19:45
it
19:45
into
19:46
the
19:46
first
19:46
edition
19:47
and
19:48
it
19:48
was
19:48
one
19:49
of
19:49
the,
19:49
I
19:49
think
19:49
what
19:49
it
19:50
was
19:50
definitely
19:50
a
19:50
soda,
19:51
a
19:51
soda
19:52
company.
19:53
And
19:53
a
19:54
woman
19:55
throws
19:56
a
19:56
soda
19:57
can
19:57
at
19:58
what
19:58
obviously
19:58
is
19:59
her
19:59
partner.
20:00
He's
20:00
sitting
20:00
on
20:00
a
20:01
park
20:01
bench
20:01
and
20:01
she
20:02
throws
20:03
a
20:03
soda
20:03
can
20:03
at
20:04
his
20:04
head.
20:04
Yeah.
20:05
A
20:05
full
20:05
soda
20:06
can.
20:06
Yeah.
20:07
That,
20:07
that
20:08
could
20:08
kill
20:08
a
20:08
person.
20:09
Yeah.
20:09
Not
20:10
good.
20:10
Give
20:10
them
20:10
a
20:10
concussion.
20:11
Right.
20:12
And
20:12
so
20:13
it's
20:13
so
20:14
seen
20:14
as
20:16
okay,
20:17
maybe
20:17
endorsed
20:18
maybe
20:19
and
20:20
comical
20:21
that
20:21
they
20:21
put
20:21
it
20:22
into
20:22
a
20:22
commercial
20:23
where
20:23
they're
20:23
trying
20:23
to
20:23
sell
20:24
their
20:24
product
20:25
with
20:25
that
20:25
idea.
20:27
Yeah.
20:27
It
20:28
would
20:28
not
20:28
happen
20:28
with
20:29
the
20:29
genders
20:29
reversed
20:30
because
20:30
it
20:30
would
20:30
be
20:30
so
20:31
obvious
20:31
to
20:32
people.
20:33
Absolutely.
20:33
Is
20:34
not
20:34
a
20:34
good
20:34
thing.
20:34
This
20:35
is
20:35
not
20:35
a
20:35
good
20:35
message.
20:36
This
20:36
is
20:36
not
20:36
marketable
20:37
around
20:37
the
20:38
house.
20:38
We'll
20:38
be
20:38
right
20:38
back
20:39
with
20:39
author
20:39
Ann
20:40
Silver's
20:40
MA
20:41
and
20:41
her
20:41
book
20:42
Abuse
20:42
of
20:43
Men
20:43
by
20:43
Women.
20:44
If
20:44
you
20:45
or
20:45
someone
20:45
you
20:45
know
20:46
is
20:46
struggling,
20:47
help
20:47
is
20:47
available
20:48
right
20:48
now.
20:49
Call
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20:49
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20:50
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20:51
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For
22:49
Men's
22:50
Health
22:50
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22:50
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22:51
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we
22:52
are
22:52
doing
22:52
a
22:52
special
22:53
show.
22:54
We're
22:54
talking
22:54
with
22:54
Author
22:55
Anne
22:55
Silvers,
22:56
MA
22:57
about
22:57
her
22:57
book
22:57
Abuse
22:58
of
22:58
Men
22:58
by
22:59
Women,
22:59
a
23:00
topic
23:00
Eric
23:01
G.
23:01
Knows
23:01
personally.
23:03
If
23:03
you
23:03
or
23:03
someone
23:04
you
23:04
know
23:04
is
23:04
struggling,
23:05
help
23:05
is
23:06
available
23:06
right
23:06
now.
23:07
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23:08
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23:08
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23:08
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23:09
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23:13
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23:15
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23:19
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23:20
let's
23:20
get
23:20
back
23:20
to
23:20
the
23:21
conversation.
23:22
So
23:22
I
23:22
started
23:23
looking,
23:23
I'm
23:23
going
23:23
to
23:23
go
23:23
on
23:24
a
23:24
little
23:24
side
23:25
side
23:25
note
23:26
here.
23:26
And
23:26
this
23:26
is
23:26
in
23:26
this
23:26
awareness
23:27
thing
23:28
I
23:28
decided
23:29
the
23:29
other
23:29
day
23:29
I
23:29
was
23:30
thinking
23:30
about
23:30
you
23:30
coming
23:31
on
23:31
the
23:31
show
23:31
and
23:31
I
23:31
started
23:32
looking
23:32
around
23:33
at
23:34
what
23:35
they
23:35
were
23:35
calling
23:35
domestic
23:36
violence
23:36
shelters
23:37
in
23:37
my
23:37
region
23:38
around
23:38
Portland,
23:39
Oregon.
23:39
Yeah,
23:40
there's
23:41
not
23:41
one
23:41
that
23:41
I
23:42
see
23:42
that
23:42
takes
23:42
men.
23:43
Yes,
23:44
that
23:44
is
23:45
the
23:45
situation.
23:46
There's
23:47
somewhere
23:47
around
23:48
three
23:48
in
23:49
the
23:49
United
23:49
States.
23:50
Three.
23:51
Yeah.
23:51
Somewhere
23:52
in
23:52
around
23:52
that
23:53
number,
23:53
I
23:53
think.
23:53
No,
23:54
maybe
23:54
it's
23:55
bigger
23:55
than
23:55
that
23:56
now.
23:56
I
23:56
researched
23:57
it
23:57
a
23:57
Couple
23:57
years
23:58
ago,
23:59
I
23:59
would
23:59
say
23:59
it's
23:59
probably
24:00
still
24:00
under
24:00
10.
24:01
Yeah.
24:02
Yeah.
24:03
And
24:03
because.
24:04
Well,
24:04
there's
24:04
a
24:05
lot
24:05
of
24:05
reasons
24:05
for
24:05
that.
24:06
One
24:06
is
24:06
that
24:07
the
24:07
whole
24:07
domestic
24:08
violence
24:08
system
24:10
was
24:10
begun
24:11
by
24:11
women
24:12
who
24:12
were
24:13
helping
24:13
women
24:14
who
24:14
were
24:15
in
24:15
that
24:15
situation.
24:17
So
24:17
all
24:17
of
24:18
the
24:18
basis
24:19
of
24:19
the
24:20
entire
24:20
system
24:21
is
24:22
on
24:22
that
24:22
premise
24:23
that
24:23
it
24:23
happens
24:24
to
24:24
women
24:25
and
24:25
we
24:25
need
24:25
to
24:25
protect
24:26
women.
24:27
Even
24:27
though
24:27
there
24:28
was
24:28
research
24:28
at
24:28
the
24:29
time
24:29
that
24:30
showed
24:30
it's
24:30
about
24:30
equal,
24:31
that
24:32
it
24:32
happens,
24:33
that
24:34
equality
24:36
research
24:36
was
24:36
squelched,
24:37
and
24:38
we're
24:39
still
24:39
having
24:40
to
24:40
just
24:41
make
24:41
tiny
24:41
inroads
24:42
into
24:42
that
24:43
system
24:44
because
24:44
it
24:44
has
24:45
become
24:45
so
24:45
strong
24:46
and
24:46
taken
24:47
all
24:47
the
24:47
oxygen
24:48
out
24:48
of
24:48
the
24:48
room.
24:49
Yeah,
24:50
yeah.
24:50
And
24:50
it's.
24:51
It's
24:51
maddening
24:51
to
24:52
me
24:52
because
24:52
when
24:52
my
24:53
whole
24:53
situation
24:54
went
24:54
around,
24:54
and
24:54
this
24:55
is.
24:55
This
24:55
is
24:55
where
24:55
it
24:55
hits
24:56
home
24:56
with
24:56
me,
24:57
where
24:57
I
24:57
could
24:58
have
24:58
used
24:58
that
24:59
service
25:00
back
25:00
when
25:01
I
25:01
went
25:01
through
25:01
it.
25:01
Because
25:02
what
25:03
happened
25:03
was.
25:03
And
25:04
we'll
25:04
tell
25:04
my
25:04
story
25:05
here,
25:05
just
25:05
kind
25:05
of
25:05
a
25:05
short
25:06
way.
25:06
But
25:07
I
25:07
had
25:08
a
25:08
week
25:08
or
25:08
so
25:09
before,
25:09
had
25:09
caught
25:11
what
25:11
I
25:11
thought
25:11
was,
25:12
in
25:12
my
25:12
world
25:13
at
25:13
least,
25:13
very
25:14
unacceptable
25:15
behavior
25:16
of
25:16
a
25:16
parent
25:17
treating
25:17
a
25:17
child.
25:18
So
25:19
I
25:19
had
25:19
walked
25:20
in
25:20
and
25:20
watched
25:21
at
25:21
the
25:21
time,
25:22
my
25:22
wife
25:23
dragging
25:23
her
25:24
daughter,
25:24
not
25:24
mine,
25:25
that
25:25
was
25:25
my
25:25
step
25:26
kid
25:26
at
25:26
the
25:26
time,
25:27
backwards,
25:27
down
25:28
the
25:28
hall
25:28
by
25:28
the
25:29
hair.
25:30
And
25:30
I
25:30
went,
25:30
whoa,
25:30
whoa,
25:31
whoa.
25:31
We
25:31
do
25:31
not
25:32
do
25:32
this.
25:32
Unacceptable.
25:34
No
25:34
reason
25:34
for
25:34
that.
25:35
I
25:35
mean,
25:35
kid
25:36
was
25:36
probably
25:36
12,
25:37
maybe
25:37
out
25:37
of
25:37
memory.
25:38
So
25:38
big
25:39
enough,
25:39
you
25:39
just.
25:39
Anyway,
25:40
you
25:40
don't
25:40
do
25:40
that,
25:40
no
25:41
matter
25:41
if
25:41
they're
25:41
5
25:41
or
25:42
18.
25:43
But
25:43
I
25:44
was
25:44
like,
25:44
holy
25:44
smokes,
25:45
heel
25:45
dragon.
25:46
Backwards,
25:46
dragging
25:47
down
25:47
the
25:47
hall
25:47
with
25:48
a
25:48
fistful
25:48
of
25:48
hair.
25:48
And
25:48
I'm
25:49
like,
25:49
unacceptable.
25:50
I
25:50
don't
25:50
care.
25:52
This
25:52
is
25:52
my
25:52
kid.
25:53
Don't
25:53
get
25:53
in
25:53
the
25:53
middle
25:53
of
25:53
it.
25:53
I'm
25:54
not
25:54
going
25:54
to
25:54
allow
25:54
abuse
25:55
in
25:55
the
25:55
house,
25:55
Period.
25:56
Not
25:56
acceptable.
25:57
That
25:57
was
25:58
clearly
25:58
the
25:58
line
25:59
I
25:59
had
25:59
crossed
26:00
with
26:00
my
26:00
ex.
26:01
And
26:01
so
26:02
the
26:02
next
26:02
week,
26:03
we
26:03
were
26:03
actually
26:03
a
26:03
couple
26:03
days
26:04
going
26:04
out
26:04
on
26:04
vacation
26:05
to
26:05
go
26:05
camping,
26:06
and
26:07
I
26:07
go
26:07
out
26:07
to
26:08
go
26:08
get
26:08
dinner.
26:08
I
26:08
hadn't
26:09
heard
26:09
from
26:09
her
26:09
all
26:09
day,
26:10
and
26:10
I'm
26:11
like,
26:11
okay,
26:11
she's
26:11
mad.
26:12
Whatever.
26:12
I
26:13
went
26:13
out
26:13
to
26:13
go
26:13
get
26:13
dinner
26:15
and
26:16
went
26:16
into
26:16
like
26:17
Panda
26:17
Express,
26:18
I
26:18
think.
26:18
And
26:18
they're
26:19
like,
26:19
hey,
26:19
your
26:19
card
26:20
declined.
26:20
I'm
26:20
like,
26:20
there's
26:21
money
26:21
in
26:21
that
26:21
account.
26:22
Well,
26:23
use
26:23
this
26:23
next
26:23
one.
26:23
That
26:24
card's
26:24
declined.
26:25
All
26:25
of
26:26
my
26:26
cards
26:26
were
26:26
declined.
26:28
Come
26:28
to
26:28
find
26:28
out,
26:28
she
26:29
had
26:29
gone
26:29
into
26:29
the
26:29
bank,
26:30
talked
26:31
that
26:32
bank
26:32
teller
26:33
who
26:33
was
26:33
familiar
26:34
with
26:34
both
26:34
of
26:34
us,
26:35
to
26:35
transfer
26:36
all
26:36
the
26:36
money
26:37
into
26:37
her
26:37
account.
26:38
So
26:38
my
26:39
bank
26:39
account
26:39
was
26:39
zero.
26:40
And
26:41
she
26:41
went
26:41
through
26:41
and
26:42
had
26:42
canceled
26:42
all
26:43
of
26:43
my
26:43
credit
26:43
cards.
26:44
Saying
26:44
that
26:44
they
26:45
were
26:45
lost
26:45
or
26:45
stolen.
26:46
Wow.
26:47
All
26:48
I
26:48
had
26:48
was
26:48
cash
26:49
in
26:49
hand.
26:51
That's
26:51
not
26:51
enough
26:52
to
26:52
get
26:52
a
26:52
hotel.
26:53
Right.
26:54
So
26:55
I
26:55
ended
26:55
up
26:56
crashing
26:56
at
26:57
a
26:57
friend's
26:57
house
26:58
for
26:58
a
26:58
few
26:59
days
26:59
until
26:59
I
26:59
could
27:00
get
27:00
that
27:00
straightened
27:01
around.
27:01
It
27:02
took
27:02
me
27:03
over
27:03
a
27:03
month
27:04
to
27:05
get
27:05
the
27:05
banking
27:05
stuff
27:06
figured
27:06
out
27:06
because
27:06
I'm
27:07
like,
27:07
she's
27:07
not
27:07
on
27:07
that.
27:08
These
27:08
were
27:08
not
27:08
joint
27:09
accounts.
27:09
This
27:10
was
27:10
an
27:10
account
27:10
in
27:11
my
27:11
name
27:11
only
27:12
that
27:12
she
27:13
wasn't
27:13
on.
27:13
But
27:14
the
27:14
bank
27:14
teller
27:14
went,
27:14
oh,
27:15
yeah,
27:15
you
27:15
guys
27:15
are
27:15
in
27:16
here
27:16
all
27:16
the
27:16
time.
27:16
I'll
27:16
take
27:16
care
27:17
of
27:17
you.
27:18
Wow.
27:19
So
27:20
you
27:20
know
27:20
what
27:20
I
27:20
mean?
27:20
It
27:21
was
27:21
deep.
27:21
And
27:22
then
27:22
that
27:22
night
27:22
is
27:23
when
27:23
that
27:23
happened.
27:23
And
27:24
so
27:25
this
27:25
was
27:26
very
27:27
well
27:27
planned
27:27
out.
27:28
Right.
27:29
Yeah.
27:29
So
27:30
I
27:30
didn't
27:30
actually
27:31
remember,
27:31
remember
27:32
that
27:32
part
27:32
of
27:32
your
27:33
story,
27:33
the
27:33
financial
27:34
part.
27:34
It
27:35
speaks
27:35
to
27:35
financial
27:36
abuse.
27:36
Yeah.
27:37
And
27:37
it
27:38
speaks
27:38
to
27:38
that
27:38
getting
27:39
locked.
27:39
Like,
27:40
getting
27:41
locked
27:41
in.
27:42
Yeah.
27:42
And
27:43
also
27:43
gives
27:44
us
27:44
more
27:44
evidence
27:44
that,
27:45
yes,
27:45
she
27:45
had
27:45
this
27:45
grand
27:46
plan,
27:46
which
27:47
now
27:47
a
27:47
lot
27:47
of
27:48
people.
27:48
Malicious
27:49
women.
27:49
This
27:49
is
27:49
not.
27:50
This
27:50
is
27:50
not
27:50
women
27:50
in
27:51
general
27:51
we're
27:51
talking
27:51
about.
27:51
We're
27:52
talking
27:52
about
27:52
malicious
27:52
women.
27:53
But
27:53
there's
27:54
like.
27:54
There's
27:54
malicious
27:55
men.
27:55
Yeah,
27:56
exactly.
27:56
Exactly.
27:57
And
27:58
so
27:58
they're.
27:59
The
27:59
system
28:00
now
28:00
is
28:01
so
28:02
known
28:03
that
28:03
there
28:03
are
28:03
many
28:04
women
28:04
who
28:05
will
28:06
work
28:06
it.
28:07
And
28:07
so
28:07
she
28:08
was
28:08
trying
28:08
to
28:09
get
28:09
you
28:09
to
28:09
hit
28:09
her.
28:10
Oh,
28:10
yeah.
28:11
It
28:11
was
28:12
well
28:12
planned
28:12
out.
28:13
Yeah.
28:13
You
28:13
know,
28:14
so
28:14
luckily
28:15
you
28:16
fled.
28:17
Luckily
28:17
you
28:17
found
28:18
your
28:18
car
28:18
keys
28:18
that
28:19
night.
28:19
Yep.
28:19
And
28:20
you
28:20
were
28:20
able
28:21
to
28:21
after
28:21
some
28:23
running
28:23
away
28:23
from
28:24
her
28:24
and.
28:25
Oh,
28:25
I
28:25
made
28:25
four
28:25
laps
28:26
around
28:26
the
28:26
kitchen,
28:26
at
28:27
least,
28:27
just
28:27
trying
28:28
to
28:28
stay
28:28
away.
28:28
Yeah,
28:30
yeah.
28:30
So
28:31
I
28:31
was
28:31
the
28:31
one
28:32
when
28:32
and
28:32
called
28:33
the
28:33
police.
28:33
I
28:33
was
28:33
the
28:34
one
28:34
that
28:34
had
28:34
blood
28:34
running
28:35
down
28:35
my
28:35
head.
28:35
She
28:36
didn't
28:36
have
28:36
a
28:36
mark
28:36
on
28:36
her,
28:37
which
28:37
was
28:37
awesome.
28:38
But
28:39
still,
28:39
be
28:39
prepared.
28:40
They're
28:40
going
28:40
to
28:40
detain
28:41
everybody
28:41
in
28:41
that
28:41
situation.
28:42
That's
28:43
common,
28:44
especially
28:44
in
28:44
Washington.
28:45
Yeah.
28:46
So
28:46
even
28:46
though
28:47
you
28:47
had
28:47
blood
28:47
running
28:48
down
28:48
your
28:48
face
28:49
and
28:49
like
28:50
you
28:50
said,
28:50
she
28:50
didn't.
28:51
Yep.
28:52
And
28:52
yours,
28:52
at
28:53
least
28:54
they
28:54
detained
28:55
you
28:55
but
28:55
did
28:56
not
28:56
charge
28:57
you.
28:57
Exactly.
28:58
Yeah.
28:59
Yeah.
29:00
But
29:00
unfortunately,
29:01
since
29:01
she
29:01
had
29:01
no
29:02
criminal
29:02
history,
29:04
they
29:04
charged
29:04
her
29:05
and
29:05
then
29:05
later
29:05
dropped
29:06
it
29:06
because
29:07
they
29:07
went,
29:07
well,
29:07
it's
29:07
just
29:08
that
29:08
he
29:08
said,
29:08
she
29:08
said.
29:09
And.
29:09
And
29:10
she
29:10
was
29:10
charged,
29:11
but
29:11
they
29:12
didn't
29:12
ever
29:13
take
29:13
her
29:13
to
29:13
trial
29:14
on
29:14
that.
29:14
Down
29:14
the
29:14
road.
29:15
Yeah,
29:15
yeah.
29:16
And
29:16
that's
29:16
the
29:16
double
29:17
standard,
29:17
right?
29:17
It
29:18
is.
29:18
If
29:19
the
29:19
genders
29:19
were
29:19
reversed,
29:20
there's
29:20
no
29:21
doubt
29:21
that
29:22
would
29:22
have
29:22
been
29:24
prosecuted
29:25
to.
29:25
The
29:25
fullest
29:25
extent
29:25
on
29:26
that
29:26
one.
29:26
I
29:26
guarantee
29:27
it.
29:28
And
29:28
that's
29:29
the
29:29
tough
29:29
part.
29:29
And
29:30
I'm
29:30
seeing
29:31
it
29:31
so
29:31
common.
29:32
And
29:32
I'm
29:32
where
29:33
I'm
29:33
seeing
29:33
it
29:33
a
29:33
lot
29:33
is
29:34
in
29:34
the
29:34
divorce
29:34
process
29:35
as
29:35
well
29:36
leading
29:36
up
29:36
to
29:36
that.
29:37
And
29:37
again,
29:39
I
29:39
agree,
29:39
obviously
29:40
people
29:40
that
29:40
are
29:41
in
29:41
that
29:41
situation
29:41
should
29:41
not
29:42
be
29:42
together.
29:42
But
29:43
I'm
29:43
watching
29:44
friends
29:44
of
29:44
mine
29:44
going
29:45
through
29:45
the
29:46
financial
29:46
abuse.
29:47
I'm
29:47
watching
29:49
just
29:49
all
29:49
of
29:50
those
29:50
crazy
29:51
things
29:51
with
29:52
kids.
29:52
And
29:52
I
29:52
mean,
29:53
you've
29:53
seen
29:53
it,
29:53
you've
29:53
done
29:54
so
29:54
much
29:54
research.
29:55
But
29:56
when
29:56
there's
29:56
kids
29:56
involved,
29:57
I
29:57
just
29:57
feel
29:57
so
29:58
horrible
29:58
for
29:59
the
29:59
family
30:00
as
30:00
a
30:00
whole,
30:01
as
30:01
well
30:01
as
30:01
the
30:02
kids
30:02
that
30:02
are
30:02
trying,
30:02
that
30:03
are
30:03
just
30:04
have
30:04
turned
30:04
into
30:04
pawns
30:05
in
30:05
the
30:05
game,
30:06
shall
30:06
we
30:06
say?
30:07
So
30:07
we
30:07
have
30:07
these
30:07
high
30:08
conflict
30:08
custody
30:09
battles
30:10
where
30:11
a
30:11
woman
30:12
is
30:12
more
30:12
likely
30:13
to
30:13
be
30:13
a
30:13
believe
30:13
than
30:14
a
30:14
man
30:14
is
30:14
likely
30:15
to
30:15
be
30:16
believed.
30:17
And
30:17
it's
30:18
called
30:18
this.
30:18
The
30:18
silver
30:19
bullet
30:19
in,
30:20
in
30:21
divorce
30:21
is
30:21
for
30:22
a
30:22
woman
30:22
to
30:23
accuse
30:23
the
30:23
guy
30:24
of
30:24
abusing
30:25
her
30:25
or
30:25
the
30:25
kids.
30:26
And
30:26
so
30:27
we
30:27
have
30:27
a
30:27
lot
30:28
of
30:28
false
30:28
allegations
30:30
and
30:31
need
30:31
to
30:32
find
30:32
a
30:32
better
30:32
way
30:33
to
30:34
sort
30:34
those
30:34
out
30:35
because
30:35
now
30:36
we've
30:36
got
30:36
a
30:36
lot
30:36
of
30:36
bias
30:37
going
30:37
on.
30:38
And
30:38
it's
30:38
partly
30:39
because
30:39
the
30:39
statistics
30:40
have
30:40
been
30:40
distorted.
30:41
And
30:42
so
30:42
there's
30:43
a
30:43
sense
30:43
for
30:43
judges
30:44
and
30:44
the
30:45
system
30:46
to
30:46
think
30:47
we
30:47
have
30:47
to
30:48
protect
30:48
all
30:48
of
30:49
these
30:50
fragile
30:50
women.
30:51
Vulnerable,
30:52
we'll
30:52
call
30:52
them.
30:52
Vulnerable
30:53
is
30:53
a
30:53
better
30:53
word.
30:53
Vulnerable
30:54
women
30:55
from
30:55
all
30:55
these
30:55
horrible
30:56
men.
30:57
And
30:57
that's
30:57
based
30:57
on
30:58
a
30:58
lot
30:58
of
30:58
distortion
30:59
of
30:59
stats.
31:00
Yeah,
31:01
it's
31:02
far
31:02
more
31:02
equal
31:03
than
31:03
people
31:04
realize.
31:05
Yeah.
31:05
And
31:06
it
31:06
would
31:06
be
31:06
interesting
31:06
if
31:07
we
31:07
had
31:07
some
31:07
kind
31:08
of.
31:08
Again,
31:08
this
31:08
is
31:09
just
31:09
me
31:09
thinking
31:09
out
31:09
loud.
31:10
It
31:10
would
31:10
be
31:10
interesting
31:10
if
31:10
we
31:11
had
31:12
some
31:12
kind
31:12
of
31:13
a
31:13
national
31:14
database
31:14
for
31:15
this
31:15
because
31:16
for
31:16
instance,
31:17
my
31:18
ex,
31:18
her
31:20
previous
31:21
husband,
31:22
she
31:22
had
31:22
hit
31:23
him
31:23
with
31:23
a
31:23
car
31:23
in
31:23
the
31:23
driveway.
31:25
And
31:26
she
31:26
says
31:26
that
31:26
didn't
31:27
happen
31:27
now.
31:27
But
31:28
I
31:28
remember
31:28
asking
31:28
her
31:29
in
31:29
her
31:29
Mustang
31:30
going,
31:30
what's
31:31
with
31:31
this
31:31
dent
31:31
in
31:31
the
31:32
car?
31:32
She
31:32
goes,
31:32
oh,
31:32
that's
31:32
where
31:32
I
31:32
hit
31:33
my
31:33
ex
31:33
husband
31:33
with
31:33
it.
31:34
And
31:34
I
31:34
thought
31:34
she
31:34
was
31:35
kidding
31:35
because
31:35
I
31:35
went,
31:36
oh,
31:36
funny.
31:37
Oh,
31:38
wow.
31:38
And
31:39
then
31:39
he
31:39
later
31:40
on
31:40
after
31:40
this
31:41
all
31:41
comes
31:41
out
31:41
when
31:41
she
31:41
was
31:42
running
31:42
for
31:42
Congress
31:42
and
31:43
it
31:43
hit
31:43
the
31:43
news,
31:44
I'm
31:44
like,
31:45
holy
31:46
smokes.
31:47
She
31:47
admitted
31:48
to
31:48
me
31:48
that
31:48
happened.
31:49
Wow.
31:50
Yeah.
31:51
Yeah.
31:51
And
31:52
that's
31:52
the
31:52
awareness
31:52
we're
31:53
trying
31:53
to
31:53
raise.
31:53
We're
31:54
trying
31:54
to
31:55
have
31:55
not
31:56
other
31:56
guys
31:56
not
31:56
go,
31:57
that's
31:57
outside
31:58
of
31:58
anything
31:58
that
31:59
could
31:59
possibly
31:59
happen.
31:59
No,
32:00
but
32:00
a
32:00
woman
32:00
would
32:00
do
32:01
that.
32:01
Yeah,
32:02
I
32:02
mean,
32:02
I
32:02
mean
32:02
at
32:02
the
32:03
time
32:03
I
32:03
was
32:03
a
32:04
210
32:06
pound
32:06
guy
32:07
probably
32:08
and
32:08
she
32:08
was
32:09
52
32:10
and
32:11
125
32:12
pounds
32:12
and
32:12
oh
32:13
my
32:13
gosh,
32:13
that
32:14
how
32:14
could
32:14
that
32:14
happen?
32:15
Yeah,
32:16
I
32:16
hopefully
32:16
these
32:17
videos
32:17
that
32:17
we're
32:17
starting
32:18
to
32:18
see
32:18
that
32:19
come
32:19
out
32:19
and
32:20
The
32:20
Amber
32:20
Heard
32:21
story
32:21
and
32:21
some
32:21
of
32:21
these
32:21
other
32:22
things
32:22
start
32:22
to
32:22
paint
32:22
a
32:23
picture
32:23
that
32:23
people
32:24
dismiss
32:24
by
32:25
the
32:25
size.
32:26
And
32:26
that's
32:27
kind
32:27
of
32:27
one
32:27
of
32:27
the
32:27
biggest
32:27
up.
32:29
What
32:29
could
32:29
she
32:29
do?
32:30
A
32:30
lot.
32:31
Right.
32:31
You
32:31
know,
32:32
and
32:32
so
32:32
back
32:32
to
32:32
the
32:33
size
32:33
issue.
32:33
We
32:33
named
32:34
four
32:34
of
32:35
the
32:35
giveaways.
32:36
They're.
32:36
The
32:37
fifth
32:37
one
32:37
came
32:37
to
32:38
mind
32:38
as
32:38
you
32:38
were
32:38
telling
32:39
that
32:39
story
32:39
and
32:40
that
32:40
it's
32:40
engaging
32:41
other
32:41
people.
32:42
Yes.
32:43
So
32:43
hiring
32:43
a
32:43
hitman,
32:44
which
32:45
we
32:45
had
32:45
one
32:45
in
32:46
my
32:46
little
32:46
town
32:46
here,
32:47
hired.
32:48
I
32:48
was
32:48
a
32:49
nurse
32:50
who
32:50
was
32:51
in
32:51
a
32:51
custody
32:51
battle
32:51
with
32:52
her,
32:52
with
32:52
her
32:53
ex.
32:53
She
32:53
hired
32:54
a
32:54
guy,
32:55
was
32:55
giving
32:56
her
32:56
him
32:57
her
32:57
engagement
32:58
ring
32:59
as,
32:59
like
33:00
the
33:00
down
33:00
payment.
33:01
Wow.
33:02
Turned
33:02
out,
33:02
though,
33:02
it
33:02
was
33:03
an
33:03
undercover
33:03
police
33:04
officer.
33:04
Nice.
33:05
Yeah,
33:05
exactly.
33:06
So
33:06
she
33:06
got
33:07
tried
33:07
and
33:08
found
33:08
guilty.
33:09
But
33:09
in
33:10
the.
33:11
It
33:11
was
33:11
either
33:12
in
33:12
the
33:12
defense
33:12
part
33:13
of
33:13
the
33:13
trial
33:13
or
33:14
in
33:14
the
33:15
defense
33:15
part
33:15
of
33:16
the
33:16
sentencing.
33:18
All
33:18
these
33:18
people
33:18
came
33:19
forward
33:19
about,
33:19
oh,
33:19
she's
33:20
such
33:20
a
33:20
wonderful
33:20
person.
33:21
Oh,
33:22
don't
33:22
punish
33:22
her
33:22
that
33:23
badly
33:24
because
33:24
she's
33:24
a
33:24
wonderful
33:25
person.
33:25
And
33:25
that's.
33:26
That's
33:27
the
33:27
line
33:27
that
33:28
women
33:28
tend
33:29
to
33:29
use
33:29
where
33:30
men
33:30
won't
33:30
get
33:31
the
33:31
same
33:31
kind
33:31
of
33:32
sympathy.
33:32
But
33:33
they
33:33
did
33:33
give
33:33
her
33:34
a
33:34
decent
33:35
sentence.
33:36
That's
33:36
good.
33:36
That's
33:36
good.
33:37
And
33:37
there's
33:38
so
33:38
many
33:38
things
33:38
that
33:38
I
33:38
think.
33:39
And
33:39
in
33:39
the
33:39
Pacific
33:40
Northwest,
33:40
here
33:41
in
33:41
Washington,
33:41
that's
33:42
where
33:42
I
33:42
used
33:42
to
33:42
live.
33:42
I'm
33:42
down
33:43
in
33:43
Oregon.
33:44
But
33:44
I
33:44
see
33:45
such
33:45
a
33:46
disparity
33:47
still
33:47
to
33:48
this
33:48
day
33:48
in
33:48
the
33:48
legal
33:49
system
33:50
of
33:50
how
33:51
things
33:51
are
33:51
treated.
33:51
There's
33:52
one
33:52
set
33:52
of
33:53
rules
33:53
for
33:54
men,
33:54
there's
33:54
one
33:55
set
33:55
of
33:55
rules
33:55
for
33:55
female,
33:56
and
33:56
it's
33:57
in
33:57
domestic
33:58
violence,
33:58
it's
33:59
in
33:59
divorce,
33:59
it's
34:00
in
34:00
all
34:01
of
34:01
these
34:01
things.
34:01
And
34:02
it's
34:02
one
34:02
of
34:02
my
34:02
biggest
34:03
complaints
34:03
in
34:04
the
34:04
Pacific
34:04
Northwest
34:05
is
34:06
if
34:06
you're
34:06
a
34:07
family
34:08
going
34:09
through
34:09
a
34:09
divorce
34:11
and
34:11
you've
34:11
got
34:12
a
34:12
child,
34:13
the
34:14
kind
34:14
of
34:14
standard
34:15
go
34:15
to
34:15
for
34:15
the
34:15
court
34:15
system
34:16
is
34:16
for
34:16
the
34:16
guys
34:17
is
34:17
cool.
34:17
You
34:18
get
34:18
to
34:18
see
34:18
your
34:18
kid
34:18
every
34:18
other
34:19
weekend.
34:20
And
34:21
some
34:21
of
34:21
that
34:21
is
34:22
used
34:23
as
34:23
a
34:24
bargaining
34:24
chip
34:25
of,
34:26
well,
34:27
guess
34:27
what?
34:27
If
34:27
you
34:27
report
34:28
this,
34:29
if
34:29
the
34:29
guys
34:29
report
34:30
it,
34:30
we're
34:30
going
34:30
to
34:30
divorce
34:31
and
34:31
you're
34:31
going
34:31
to
34:31
see
34:31
your
34:31
kid
34:32
a
34:32
couple
34:33
times
34:33
a
34:33
month.
34:34
Right.
34:34
And
34:35
that's
34:35
what
34:35
keeps
34:36
those
34:36
guys
34:36
sucked
34:37
in.
34:37
And
34:37
they
34:37
know
34:37
that,
34:37
man,
34:38
it's
34:38
going
34:38
to
34:38
be
34:38
an
34:38
ugly
34:39
battle.
34:39
It's
34:40
going
34:40
to
34:40
cost
34:40
me
34:40
60
34:41
to
34:41
$100,000
34:42
in
34:42
court
34:43
because
34:43
everything's
34:44
going
34:44
to
34:44
be
34:45
ugly.
34:45
Yeah.
34:46
The
34:46
temper
34:47
that
34:47
is
34:47
in
34:47
that
34:48
violence
34:48
is
34:48
going
34:49
to
34:49
show
34:49
up
34:49
in
34:49
the
34:49
court
34:50
system.
34:51
Right.
34:51
There's
34:52
not
34:52
going
34:52
to
34:52
be
34:52
any
34:53
reasonable
34:53
discussions
34:54
here.
34:54
And
34:55
it's
34:55
going
34:55
to
34:55
Be
34:55
a
34:56
six
34:56
figure.
34:57
The
34:57
attorneys
34:58
are
34:58
going
34:58
to
34:58
get
34:59
a
34:59
year,
34:59
year
35:00
to
35:00
two
35:00
years
35:00
worth
35:00
of
35:00
work
35:01
out
35:01
of
35:01
it
35:01
and
35:02
the
35:02
guys
35:02
go,
35:03
just
35:03
take
35:03
it
35:03
one
35:03
more
35:03
time.
35:05
Exactly.
35:05
And
35:06
so
35:06
you're
35:06
speaking
35:07
to
35:07
reasons
35:08
why
35:08
men
35:08
stay
35:09
in
35:09
these
35:09
abusive
35:10
relationships.
35:11
And
35:11
I,
35:11
there's
35:12
a
35:12
whole
35:12
part
35:12
of
35:12
the
35:12
book
35:13
about
35:13
that,
35:14
and
35:14
you're
35:15
touching
35:15
on
35:16
that,
35:16
that
35:17
they
35:17
may
35:17
be
35:17
staying
35:18
to
35:18
protect
35:19
children.
35:19
They
35:20
may
35:20
be
35:20
staying
35:20
out
35:20
of
35:21
various
35:21
fears.
35:22
They
35:22
may
35:22
be
35:22
staying
35:23
for
35:23
economic
35:24
reasons,
35:25
feeling
35:26
like,
35:26
well,
35:26
they
35:27
can't
35:27
afford
35:28
a
35:28
household
35:29
for
35:29
themselves
35:29
and
35:30
continuing
35:30
to
35:31
pay
35:31
for
35:31
the
35:31
household
35:32
of
35:33
children
35:34
and
35:35
likely
35:35
having
35:36
to
35:36
lean
35:36
in,
35:37
be
35:37
forced
35:38
to
35:39
pay
35:39
the
35:39
other
35:40
for
35:40
child
35:41
support
35:41
and
35:41
potentially
35:43
spousal
35:43
support.
35:45
And
35:46
it
35:46
could
35:46
be
35:47
not
35:47
knowing
35:47
what's
35:48
happening
35:48
to.
35:48
It
35:49
could
35:49
be
35:49
confusion.
35:50
It
35:50
can
35:51
be
35:51
the
35:51
lowered
35:52
self
35:52
esteem
35:53
that
35:53
can
35:53
happen
35:54
in
35:54
these
35:55
lengthy
35:55
abusive
35:56
relationships
35:57
where
35:58
they're
35:58
told
35:58
so
35:59
often
35:59
they're
35:59
not
35:59
good
36:00
enough,
36:00
they
36:00
wouldn't
36:00
be
36:00
able
36:01
to
36:01
do
36:01
things
36:02
on
36:02
their
36:03
own
36:03
that
36:04
they
36:04
absorb
36:04
that
36:05
idea
36:06
and
36:06
so
36:07
don't.
36:07
Aren't
36:08
able
36:08
to
36:08
see
36:08
a
36:09
way
36:09
out.
36:09
It
36:10
can
36:10
be
36:10
anxiety
36:12
because
36:12
they're
36:12
in
36:12
such
36:13
an
36:13
anxiety
36:13
provoking
36:14
situation.
36:15
And
36:15
the
36:15
anxious
36:16
brain
36:16
is
36:16
not
36:16
a
36:16
problem
36:17
solving
36:17
brain.
36:18
No.
36:19
So
36:19
the
36:19
anxious
36:19
brain
36:20
can't
36:20
see
36:21
the
36:21
way
36:21
out.
36:22
And
36:22
this
36:22
is
36:22
where
36:23
intervention
36:24
can
36:24
really
36:25
help.
36:25
I
36:25
wish
36:26
there
36:26
were
36:26
more
36:26
therapists
36:27
that
36:28
got
36:28
it
36:28
about
36:29
abusive
36:29
women.
36:30
Yeah,
36:30
I
36:31
think
36:31
unfortunately
36:32
it's
36:32
hit
36:32
or
36:32
miss.
36:33
But
36:34
I
36:34
will
36:34
say
36:34
if
36:34
a
36:34
guy
36:35
is
36:35
going
36:35
to
36:35
go
36:35
for
36:35
therapy,
36:36
which
36:36
would
36:37
be
36:37
wise
36:38
in
36:38
this
36:38
scenario,
36:39
is
36:39
to
36:39
do
36:40
some
36:40
good
36:40
interviewing
36:41
of
36:42
the
36:42
person
36:42
and
36:43
try
36:43
to
36:43
get
36:43
a
36:44
sense.
36:44
Do
36:44
they
36:44
even
36:45
recognize
36:45
that
36:46
abuse
36:46
of
36:47
men
36:47
by
36:48
women
36:48
is
36:49
a
36:49
thing?
36:50
And
36:50
that's,
36:50
that's
36:51
how
36:51
you
36:51
and
36:51
I
36:51
met.
36:52
Because
36:52
I
36:52
can't.
36:52
I
36:52
got
36:53
out
36:53
of
36:53
that
36:53
and
36:53
went,
36:54
okay,
36:55
I
36:55
need
36:55
to
36:55
heal,
36:55
but
36:56
I
36:56
need
36:56
help
36:56
and
36:56
healing.
36:57
So
36:57
I
36:57
don't
36:57
even
36:57
understand
36:58
how
36:58
this
36:58
happened
36:59
because
37:00
I
37:00
had
37:00
only
37:00
been
37:01
married
37:01
maybe
37:01
a
37:02
year
37:02
at
37:02
that
37:02
point.
37:03
And
37:03
then
37:03
I
37:03
had
37:04
a
37:04
two
37:04
year
37:04
court
37:04
battle
37:05
which
37:05
was
37:06
ugly.
37:07
She
37:07
got
37:08
spousal
37:08
maintenance.
37:10
She
37:10
got
37:10
spousal
37:11
maintenance
37:11
longer
37:12
than
37:12
we
37:12
were
37:12
married.
37:13
And
37:13
that
37:13
was
37:13
just
37:14
going
37:14
through
37:14
the
37:14
court
37:14
stuff
37:15
because
37:15
it
37:15
was
37:16
a
37:16
two
37:16
year
37:16
court
37:16
battle.
37:17
And
37:18
I
37:18
was
37:18
like,
37:18
wow,
37:19
I
37:19
need
37:19
to
37:19
understand
37:19
this
37:20
so
37:20
I
37:20
never
37:21
make
37:21
this
37:21
mistake
37:22
again.
37:23
And
37:24
she
37:24
had
37:24
been
37:25
doing
37:25
this,
37:26
I
37:26
was
37:27
husband
37:27
number
37:28
four
37:29
that
37:30
she
37:30
had
37:30
taken
37:30
advantage
37:31
of.
37:32
And
37:33
it
37:33
was
37:33
a
37:34
plan
37:34
from
37:34
the
37:35
start.
37:36
And
37:36
I
37:36
knew
37:37
there
37:37
was
37:37
issues
37:37
the
37:38
day
37:38
after
37:38
we
37:38
got
37:39
married
37:39
because
37:39
it
37:40
was
37:40
one
37:40
of
37:40
those
37:40
things
37:40
that
37:41
I
37:41
went,
37:42
oh
37:42
no,
37:43
something
37:44
really
37:45
changed.
37:46
Right,
37:47
right.
37:48
And
37:49
so
37:49
that's
37:49
a.
37:50
You
37:50
put
37:50
a
37:50
ring
37:50
on
37:50
it
37:51
and
37:51
you're
37:52
trapped
37:52
now.
37:53
Yep.
37:53
And
37:53
the
37:53
real
37:54
personality
37:54
can
37:55
come
37:55
out.
37:55
Yep.
37:56
And
37:56
just
37:56
what
37:56
you're
37:57
describing
37:57
is
37:57
a
37:57
way
37:58
a
37:58
lot
37:58
of
37:58
people
37:59
get,
37:59
whether
38:00
it's
38:00
a
38:00
man
38:00
who's
38:01
being.
38:01
Who's
38:01
been
38:02
abused
38:02
or
38:02
a
38:02
woman
38:02
who's
38:03
then
38:03
abused,
38:04
get
38:04
trapped
38:05
into
38:05
these
38:06
abusive
38:06
relationships.
38:07
It
38:07
wasn't
38:07
necessarily
38:08
the
38:08
personality
38:09
that
38:09
they
38:09
were
38:10
presented
38:10
with
38:11
before
38:11
the
38:12
commitment.
38:13
100%.
38:14
And
38:14
then
38:14
it's
38:15
a
38:15
free
38:16
for
38:16
all.
38:17
They
38:17
let
38:18
their
38:18
personality
38:18
come
38:19
out.
38:20
So
38:20
what
38:20
I
38:20
would
38:20
hope
38:21
in
38:21
raising
38:21
awareness
38:22
is
38:22
that
38:23
more
38:23
men
38:23
will
38:24
be
38:24
able
38:24
to.
38:25
On
38:25
that
38:26
day
38:26
after
38:26
the
38:26
wedding,
38:27
when
38:28
the
38:28
personality
38:28
comes
38:29
out,
38:29
they
38:29
go,
38:30
oh,
38:30
okay,
38:31
I
38:31
know
38:31
what's
38:31
going
38:32
on.
38:32
Yeah.
38:33
What's
38:33
going
38:33
on
38:33
is
38:34
she
38:34
hooked
38:34
me
38:34
with
38:35
a
38:35
different
38:35
personality.
38:37
Now
38:37
this,
38:37
what's
38:38
going
38:38
on
38:38
today,
38:38
is
38:39
real.
38:39
Yes.
38:40
Because
38:40
that's
38:40
what
38:41
the
38:41
mind
38:41
tries
38:41
to
38:41
tell
38:41
you.
38:42
This
38:42
isn't
38:42
real
38:43
because
38:43
I
38:43
had
38:44
four
38:44
months
38:44
or
38:45
whatever.
38:45
Oh,
38:45
we've
38:46
been
38:46
together
38:46
a
38:46
year,
38:46
a
38:47
year
38:47
and
38:47
a
38:47
half
38:47
almost.
38:47
So
38:48
it
38:48
was
38:48
like,
38:48
oh,
38:49
maybe
38:49
it's
38:49
a
38:49
bad
38:50
mood,
38:50
but
38:51
we're
38:51
on
38:51
the
38:51
honeymoon
38:52
and
38:52
I'm
38:52
like,
38:52
oh,
38:53
where
38:54
is
38:54
this?
38:56
And
38:56
that
38:56
was
38:57
my
38:57
biggest
38:57
mistake,
38:57
was
38:58
not
38:59
dealing
38:59
with
38:59
it
39:00
then,
39:00
because
39:00
it
39:01
would
39:01
have
39:01
been
39:01
much
39:01
easier
39:02
to
39:02
deal
39:02
with
39:02
it
39:02
then
39:02
than
39:03
I
39:03
did.
39:04
Months
39:04
later,
39:05
you
39:05
pull
39:05
the
39:05
plug
39:06
on
39:06
day
39:06
one
39:07
and.
39:07
And
39:08
you
39:08
don't
39:08
have
39:08
as
39:08
many
39:09
entanglements,
39:09
and
39:10
it's
39:10
an
39:10
easier
39:11
out.
39:11
Yeah,
39:12
yeah,
39:12
it
39:12
is.
39:12
And
39:12
it's
39:13
one
39:13
of
39:13
those
39:13
things,
39:13
and
39:14
it's.
39:14
And
39:14
I
39:14
want
39:14
to
39:15
bring
39:15
awareness
39:15
to
39:15
this.
39:16
You've
39:16
got
39:16
a
39:16
great
39:17
book
39:18
that
39:18
is
39:18
so
39:18
helpful
39:19
to
39:19
people
39:19
out
39:20
there.
39:21
Every
39:21
time
39:21
I
39:22
have
39:22
a
39:22
buddy
39:22
that
39:22
is
39:23
going
39:23
through
39:24
divorce,
39:25
I
39:25
just
39:26
jump
39:26
on
39:26
Amazon
39:27
and
39:28
I
39:28
go,
39:28
hey,
39:28
man,
39:29
what's
39:29
a
39:29
safe
39:30
address
39:31
that
39:31
I
39:31
can
39:31
mail
39:31
this
39:32
to
39:32
where
39:32
you
39:32
can
39:32
pick
39:33
it
39:33
up?
39:34
And
39:34
that's
39:34
a
39:34
key
39:35
one
39:35
because
39:36
the
39:36
last
39:37
thing
39:37
you
39:37
need
39:38
is
39:39
your
39:39
friend's
39:41
spouse,
39:42
girlfriend,
39:43
whatever,
39:43
to
39:43
see
39:44
this
39:44
sitting
39:44
around
39:44
on
39:45
the
39:45
coffee
39:45
table.
39:46
That's
39:47
going
39:47
to
39:47
spark
39:47
its
39:48
own
39:48
anger.
39:49
Exactly.
39:51
And
39:51
so
39:51
I
39:52
had
39:52
a
39:52
buddy
39:52
that
39:52
I
39:52
sent
39:52
it
39:53
to
39:53
because
39:53
he
39:53
was
39:53
getting
39:54
that
39:54
same
39:54
treatment
39:55
as.
39:56
And
39:56
some
39:56
of
39:57
the
39:57
warning
39:57
signs.
39:57
Guys,
39:58
I
39:58
want
39:58
to
39:58
talk
39:58
about
39:58
here
39:58
real
39:59
quick
39:59
because
39:59
I
39:59
think
39:59
it's
40:00
important,
40:01
and
40:02
here's
40:03
what
40:03
I've
40:03
noticed.
40:03
If
40:03
they
40:04
get
40:04
angry
40:05
and
40:05
throw
40:06
something
40:06
at
40:07
you,
40:08
that
40:08
should
40:08
be
40:09
your
40:09
biggest
40:10
red
40:11
flag
40:11
in
40:12
the
40:12
dating
40:12
side
40:12
of
40:13
things.
40:13
If
40:13
they
40:13
got
40:13
mad
40:14
or
40:14
something,
40:14
whether.
40:15
Whether
40:16
you
40:16
did
40:16
something
40:17
bad
40:17
or
40:17
not,
40:18
if
40:19
that
40:19
hinge
40:20
of
40:20
violence
40:21
comes
40:21
out,
40:21
that
40:22
should
40:22
be
40:22
the
40:22
warning
40:22
sign
40:22
of,
40:23
oh,
40:24
this
40:24
could
40:24
be
40:25
just
40:25
the
40:25
start
40:25
of
40:26
what's
40:26
to
40:26
come.
40:27
Yeah,
40:28
yeah.
40:29
And
40:29
I'm
40:29
remembering
40:30
a
40:30
story
40:30
that
40:31
you
40:31
told
40:31
about,
40:32
so
40:32
correct
40:32
me
40:33
if
40:33
I
40:33
remember
40:33
this
40:33
wrong.
40:34
Yeah.
40:34
You
40:35
being
40:35
on
40:35
the
40:35
phone
40:35
with
40:36
her
40:36
after
40:36
you're
40:36
married
40:37
and
40:37
she
40:37
got
40:37
mad
40:38
on
40:38
the
40:38
phone
40:38
and
40:38
you
40:39
could
40:39
hear
40:39
her
40:40
cereal
40:40
bowl
40:40
hit
40:41
the
40:41
wall.
40:42
Yep.
40:43
And
40:44
I
40:44
came
40:44
home
40:44
with
40:44
a
40:44
dent
40:45
in
40:45
the
40:45
wall.
40:45
She
40:46
threw
40:46
the
40:46
cereal
40:47
bowl
40:47
at
40:47
the
40:47
wall.
40:49
Absolutely.
40:50
So
40:51
I'd
40:51
actually
40:51
forgotten
40:52
about
40:52
that
40:52
until
40:52
you
40:52
mentioned
40:53
that.
40:53
I'm
40:53
like,
40:53
yeah,
40:53
that
40:53
did
40:54
happen.
40:54
So
40:55
we
40:55
haven't
40:55
talked
40:55
about
40:56
it
40:56
in
40:56
a
40:56
decade,
40:56
but
40:56
that
40:57
is
40:57
exactly
40:58
what
40:58
happened.
40:59
And
41:00
yeah,
41:01
those
41:01
are
41:01
those
41:01
things
41:01
that
41:02
I
41:02
look
41:02
back
41:02
and
41:02
go,
41:03
should
41:03
have
41:04
known
41:04
better.
41:04
That's,
41:05
again,
41:05
one
41:05
of
41:06
those
41:06
things.
41:06
If
41:06
damage,
41:07
violence,
41:08
whatever
41:10
is
41:10
okay,
41:11
mistakes
41:12
happen.
41:12
I
41:12
get
41:12
that.
41:13
But
41:13
that
41:13
should
41:13
be
41:13
a
41:13
warning
41:14
sign
41:14
that
41:14
you
41:14
should
41:14
say,
41:15
I
41:15
better
41:16
pay
41:16
more
41:16
attention
41:16
to
41:17
this.
41:17
This
41:17
could
41:18
get
41:18
out
41:18
of
41:18
hand.
41:19
Yeah.
41:19
So
41:20
let's
41:20
talk
41:20
a
41:20
little
41:20
bit
41:20
about
41:21
the
41:21
conversation
41:22
that
41:22
probably
41:23
came
41:23
next
41:24
between
41:24
you
41:24
and
41:24
her,
41:25
because
41:26
that's
41:26
another
41:26
part
41:27
of
41:27
an
41:27
assessment.
41:27
So
41:28
in
41:28
the
41:28
book,
41:28
I
41:28
have
41:28
a
41:29
whole
41:29
part
41:30
on
41:30
how
41:30
to
41:30
do
41:31
analysis
41:31
for
41:31
your
41:32
situation
41:33
and
41:33
figuring
41:34
out,
41:34
should
41:35
I
41:35
stay,
41:35
should
41:35
I
41:35
go,
41:36
what
41:36
steps,
41:36
what
41:36
steps
41:37
forward
41:37
can
41:37
I
41:37
make?
41:38
Because
41:39
there's
41:39
steps
41:39
in
41:39
between
41:40
staying
41:40
and
41:40
going
41:40
as
41:41
well.
41:42
So
41:42
if
41:42
you
41:43
go
41:43
home
41:43
after
41:44
an
41:44
incident
41:44
like
41:45
that
41:45
and
41:45
you're
41:45
talking
41:46
to
41:46
her
41:46
about,
41:47
okay,
41:47
this
41:48
happened,
41:48
I
41:49
see.
41:49
Evidence
41:50
that,
41:50
yeah,
41:50
I
41:50
gotta
41:51
fix
41:51
the
41:51
evidence
41:51
now.
41:52
Yeah,
41:52
yeah,
41:52
exactly.
41:53
And
41:53
so
41:53
then
41:54
there's
41:54
a
41:54
lot
41:54
of
41:54
information
41:54
in
41:55
that
41:55
conversation
41:55
that
41:55
comes
41:56
next.
41:56
Are,
41:57
is
41:57
she
41:58
saying,
41:58
Is
41:58
she
41:58
being
41:59
defensive
41:59
and
42:00
saying,
42:01
or
42:01
what
42:01
did
42:01
she
42:01
do?
42:02
Do
42:02
you
42:02
remember
42:02
at
42:03
all?
42:03
Yeah,
42:03
she
42:03
was
42:04
super
42:04
defensive.
42:05
I
42:05
caused
42:06
it.
42:07
If
42:07
I
42:07
wouldn't
42:07
have
42:08
made
42:08
her
42:08
mad,
42:08
that
42:08
wouldn't
42:09
have
42:09
happened.
42:09
Don't
42:09
blame
42:10
her,
42:10
blame
42:10
me.
42:11
It
42:11
was
42:11
that
42:12
kind
42:12
of.
42:12
That
42:12
was
42:12
the.
42:13
The
42:13
instant
42:13
reaction.
42:14
Yeah.
42:15
So
42:15
that's
42:15
such
42:16
a
42:16
big
42:16
part
42:16
of
42:16
the
42:17
assessment
42:17
about
42:18
how
42:19
your
42:19
situation
42:20
is
42:20
likely
42:20
to
42:20
play
42:21
out.
42:21
Ownership
42:22
is
42:22
the
42:22
ownership
42:23
piece.
42:23
Yeah.
42:23
And
42:24
sometimes
42:24
people
42:24
fake
42:25
the
42:25
ownership
42:26
and
42:26
it'll
42:26
just
42:26
go
42:26
around
42:27
in
42:27
a
42:27
circle
42:28
where
42:29
there's
42:29
an
42:29
abusive
42:30
action
42:31
and
42:31
remorse
42:32
and
42:32
promises
42:33
to
42:33
change
42:34
and
42:34
then
42:35
increases
42:35
intention
42:36
and
42:36
then
42:36
abusive
42:37
act.
42:37
And
42:37
you
42:37
just
42:38
go
42:38
around
42:38
and
42:39
around
42:39
and
42:39
around.
42:41
And
42:41
then,
42:41
then
42:42
when
42:42
that's
42:42
happened,
42:43
if
42:43
that's
42:43
happening,
42:44
then
42:44
the
42:44
decision
42:44
is,
42:45
did
42:45
I
42:46
just
42:46
go
42:46
around
42:46
the
42:47
loop
42:47
for
42:47
the
42:47
last
42:47
time?
42:48
Am
42:48
I.
42:48
Am
42:48
I
42:49
up
42:49
for
42:49
another
42:49
round
42:50
or
42:50
not?
42:51
Jen's
42:52
where
42:52
it's
42:52
like
42:53
genuine,
42:53
like
42:54
the
42:54
person
42:54
is
42:55
aghast
42:56
that
42:56
they
42:57
lost
42:58
control
42:58
like
42:59
that.
42:59
And
43:00
they
43:00
say
43:00
to
43:00
the,
43:01
out
43:01
loud
43:02
to
43:02
you
43:02
that,
43:03
yeah,
43:03
okay,
43:03
I
43:03
gotta
43:04
go
43:04
do
43:04
something.
43:05
I
43:05
gotta
43:05
get
43:05
some
43:06
help.
43:06
I've
43:06
gotta
43:06
figure
43:07
out
43:07
how
43:07
to
43:07
not
43:07
do
43:08
this
43:08
anymore.
43:09
That's
43:09
a
43:09
good
43:09
sign.
43:10
If
43:10
they're
43:10
honest
43:10
about
43:10
it.
43:11
If
43:11
they're
43:11
honest
43:12
about
43:12
it.
43:12
So
43:12
then
43:12
you're
43:12
looking
43:13
for
43:13
does
43:13
is
43:13
there
43:14
follow
43:14
through?
43:15
Is
43:15
there
43:16
actual
43:17
change?
43:17
Or
43:18
does
43:18
that
43:18
get
43:18
lost
43:19
and
43:19
they.
43:19
And
43:20
their
43:20
ego
43:20
can't
43:21
actually
43:21
handle
43:22
staying
43:23
in
43:23
that
43:24
I
43:24
have
43:24
done
43:25
something
43:25
wrong
43:26
space.
43:27
Interesting.
43:27
So
43:28
that's
43:28
how
43:28
I
43:28
met
43:29
you.
43:29
And
43:29
another
43:29
thing
43:30
that
43:30
happened.
43:30
I
43:30
don't
43:30
even
43:30
know
43:31
if
43:31
I
43:31
told
43:31
you
43:31
this
43:32
story.
43:32
So
43:32
this
43:33
is
43:33
an
43:33
interesting
43:33
one
43:33
that
43:34
just
43:34
again,
43:35
you
43:35
just
43:35
spark
43:35
something.
43:36
After
43:37
I'd
43:37
gotten
43:37
out
43:37
of
43:37
that
43:38
relationship,
43:38
divorced,
43:39
was
43:39
doing
43:39
a
43:39
little
43:40
dating.
43:40
There
43:41
was
43:41
somebody
43:41
that
43:41
I
43:42
knew
43:43
that
43:44
from
43:44
years
43:44
ago
43:45
that
43:46
mutual
43:46
friends,
43:47
I
43:47
went,
43:47
this
43:48
could
43:48
be
43:48
an
43:48
interesting
43:48
relationship.
43:50
She
43:51
had
43:51
been
43:51
a
43:51
victim
43:52
of
43:52
violence
43:52
before,
43:54
and
43:55
I
43:55
think
43:55
maybe
43:56
we
43:56
had
43:56
something
43:57
in
43:57
common
43:57
in
43:57
that
43:58
and
43:58
the
43:58
healing
43:58
side
43:58
of
43:59
things.
43:59
We'd
43:59
gone
43:59
on
44:00
a
44:00
few
44:00
dates
44:01
and
44:02
two
44:02
things
44:02
happened.
44:03
One,
44:04
one
44:04
night
44:04
I
44:05
noticed
44:06
she
44:06
got
44:07
she
44:08
over
44:08
consumed
44:08
alcohol
44:10
and
44:10
realized
44:11
that
44:11
I
44:11
realized
44:12
and
44:12
went,
44:12
oh,
44:12
she
44:13
gets
44:13
violent
44:14
when
44:15
that
44:15
happens.
44:16
Oh.
44:17
So
44:18
she
44:18
came
44:18
up
44:19
and
44:19
did
44:19
the
44:19
old
44:19
almost
44:20
like
44:20
a
44:20
guy
44:21
shove
44:21
off
44:21
in
44:21
the
44:22
shoulder,
44:22
like
44:22
wanting
44:22
to
44:23
fight.
44:24
And
44:24
I
44:24
went,
44:24
oh.
44:25
The
44:26
ironic
44:26
thing
44:27
was,
44:27
is
44:27
the
44:28
weak.
44:29
Before
44:29
that,
44:30
we
44:30
had
44:30
been
44:30
hanging
44:31
out
44:31
with
44:32
her
44:32
family,
44:33
mom,
44:33
brothers,
44:34
all
44:34
that
44:34
stuff.
44:34
And
44:35
the
44:35
mom
44:35
pulled
44:35
me
44:35
aside
44:36
and
44:36
said,
44:37
who
44:37
I'd
44:37
known
44:38
since
44:38
high
44:38
school,
44:38
because
44:39
we
44:39
all
44:39
went
44:39
to
44:39
high
44:39
school
44:39
together,
44:40
said,
44:41
eric,
44:41
I
44:42
love
44:42
you.
44:42
Don't
44:42
date
44:43
my
44:43
daughter.
44:43
It's
44:43
going
44:44
to
44:44
be
44:44
a
44:44
mess.
44:44
Save
44:45
yourself.
44:47
And
44:47
when
44:47
the
44:47
mom
44:48
says
44:48
that,
44:49
gives
44:50
you
44:50
a
44:50
hug
44:50
and
44:50
says,
44:51
don't
44:51
do
44:51
it.
44:52
This
44:52
isn't
44:53
going
44:53
to
44:53
go
44:53
well
44:53
and
44:53
I
44:53
don't
44:54
want
44:54
it
44:54
to
44:54
hurt
44:54
all
44:54
of
44:54
our
44:54
relationships.
44:56
That
44:56
was
44:56
an
44:56
opening
44:57
one.
44:58
And
44:58
did
44:58
you
44:58
end
44:58
it
44:58
then?
44:59
Yeah,
44:59
absolutely.
45:00
Okay.
45:00
It's
45:01
just
45:01
like,
45:01
yeah,
45:01
it
45:02
was
45:02
done.
45:02
But
45:02
I
45:02
mean,
45:03
in
45:03
my
45:04
defense,
45:04
too,
45:05
once
45:05
I
45:06
got
45:06
violent,
45:06
got
45:07
hit
45:07
with
45:07
the
45:07
violence
45:07
from
45:08
my
45:08
axe
45:09
in
45:09
that
45:10
at
45:10
that
45:10
time,
45:10
that
45:11
happened
45:11
on
45:11
a
45:11
Thursday.
45:12
The
45:12
next
45:12
day
45:13
was
45:13
like
45:13
the
45:14
4th
45:14
of
45:14
July,
45:15
because
45:15
that
45:16
was
45:16
on
45:16
the
45:16
3rd
45:16
of
45:16
July.
45:17
Next
45:17
day
45:17
with
45:18
4th
45:18
of
45:18
July,
45:19
Monday
45:19
morning,
45:20
I
45:20
had
45:20
contacted
45:21
my
45:21
attorney.
45:22
By
45:22
Wednesday
45:22
morning,
45:23
I'd
45:23
filed
45:23
divorce
45:24
papers.
45:25
Yes.
45:25
Yeah.
45:25
Good
45:26
for
45:26
you.
45:26
Yeah.
45:26
And
45:26
I
45:27
was
45:27
like,
45:27
this
45:27
can't
45:28
happen.
45:28
And
45:28
I
45:28
remember
45:28
calling
45:29
him
45:29
up
45:29
on
45:29
Tuesday
45:30
going,
45:30
chop,
45:30
chop.
45:31
Where's
45:31
that
45:31
at?
45:32
I
45:33
want
45:33
this
45:33
done.
45:34
Yeah.
45:35
And
45:35
it
45:35
was
45:35
one
45:35
of
45:36
those
45:36
things,
45:36
but
45:36
again,
45:37
that
45:37
was
45:37
one
45:37
of
45:37
those
45:38
things
45:38
that
45:38
the
45:38
warning
45:39
signs
45:39
that
45:39
I
45:39
had
45:39
learned
45:41
of,
45:41
like,
45:41
oh,
45:41
I'm
45:42
not
45:42
doing
45:42
this.
45:43
Not
45:43
doing
45:43
this.
45:44
Yeah,
45:44
you
45:44
know,
45:44
exactly,
45:45
exactly.
45:45
And
45:46
we
45:46
need
45:46
more
45:47
men
45:47
knowing
45:48
that.
45:48
And
45:49
so
45:49
they
45:49
will
45:50
end
45:50
these
45:50
relationships
45:51
instead
45:51
of
45:52
getting
45:52
caught
45:53
up
45:53
in
45:53
them.
45:54
And
45:54
after
45:54
that,
45:54
there
45:55
were
45:55
two
45:55
or
45:55
three
45:56
other
45:56
guys
45:57
that
45:57
she
45:57
had
45:57
been
45:57
dating
45:58
that
45:59
ended
45:59
up
45:59
getting
46:00
arrested
46:00
for
46:01
dv.
46:02
And
46:02
I
46:02
went,
46:03
I
46:03
know
46:03
how
46:03
that
46:03
started.
46:04
I
46:05
know
46:05
how
46:05
that
46:05
started.
46:06
Yeah.
46:08
Because
46:08
she
46:08
was
46:08
all
46:08
over
46:09
social
46:09
media.
46:09
I
46:09
can't
46:10
believe
46:10
this
46:10
happened.
46:11
And
46:11
I'm
46:11
like,
46:11
oh,
46:12
another
46:13
one.
46:13
Yeah.
46:16
And
46:16
now
46:16
we're
46:17
talking
46:17
about
46:17
another
46:18
kind
46:18
of
46:18
abuse,
46:19
which
46:19
is
46:19
the
46:19
cyber
46:20
abuse.
46:20
And
46:21
oh
46:21
my
46:21
gosh,
46:22
that's
46:22
huge.
46:23
That's
46:24
new.
46:25
Yeah.
46:25
And
46:25
so
46:25
I
46:26
talk
46:26
about
46:26
that
46:27
way
46:27
more
46:27
in
46:28
this
46:28
edition
46:29
of
46:29
the
46:29
book
46:29
than
46:29
I
46:30
did
46:30
in
46:30
the
46:30
first.
46:31
Yeah.
46:32
And
46:32
that's
46:33
big
46:33
out
46:33
there.
46:33
And
46:34
you
46:34
guys
46:34
too.
46:34
The
46:34
one
46:35
thing
46:35
I
46:35
want
46:35
to
46:35
talk
46:35
about
46:35
here
46:36
before
46:36
we
46:36
run
46:36
out
46:36
of
46:37
time
46:37
too,
46:37
is
46:38
this
46:38
doesn't
46:39
have
46:39
to
46:39
be
46:39
physical
46:40
abuse.
46:41
It
46:41
could
46:41
be
46:43
financial
46:43
and
46:43
mental,
46:45
which
46:45
will
46:45
do
46:46
as
46:47
much
46:47
or
46:47
more
46:47
damage
46:48
as
46:48
the
46:48
physical
46:48
if
46:49
you're
46:49
not
46:49
careful.
46:49
Yeah,
46:50
exactly.
46:50
So
46:50
let's
46:51
talk
46:51
about
46:51
the
46:51
seven
46:51
forms
46:52
of
46:52
part.
46:52
Yes,
46:52
let's
46:53
do
46:53
it.
46:53
All
46:53
right,
46:54
so
46:54
let's.
46:54
Seven.
46:55
Seven.
46:56
Yeah,
46:57
yeah.
46:58
Right.
46:58
Okay.
46:59
So
46:59
there's
46:59
the
46:59
verbal
47:00
abuse,
47:01
there's
47:01
the
47:01
psychological
47:02
and
47:02
emotional.
47:03
I
47:03
put
47:03
that
47:03
as
47:04
one
47:04
category.
47:04
Yep.
47:05
And
47:05
basically
47:06
every
47:06
other
47:07
kind
47:07
of
47:07
partner
47:07
abuse
47:08
has
47:08
a
47:08
psychological,
47:09
emotional
47:09
component.
47:11
I
47:11
think
47:11
that's
47:11
one
47:12
of
47:12
the
47:12
reasons
47:12
why
47:12
it
47:12
gets.
47:13
It's
47:14
most
47:14
known.
47:15
Okay,
47:15
so
47:15
we
47:16
had,
47:16
we
47:16
had
47:17
verbal,
47:18
psychological,
47:19
emotional,
47:19
physical,
47:20
which
47:20
we've
47:21
been
47:21
talking
47:21
about.
47:21
There's
47:22
sexual.
47:22
Yep.
47:23
And
47:23
that
47:23
can
47:24
be
47:24
a
47:24
hard
47:24
one
47:24
for
47:24
people
47:25
to
47:25
grapple.
47:25
Yes.
47:26
Women
47:26
can
47:27
sexually
47:27
abuse
47:28
males.
47:28
Male
47:29
partners.
47:30
Then
47:30
we've
47:30
got
47:30
legal.
47:31
Yeah.
47:31
Which
47:32
we've
47:32
mentioned.
47:32
And
47:33
so
47:33
legal.
47:33
And
47:33
also
47:34
now
47:34
sometimes
47:35
called
47:35
administrative
47:36
abuse.
47:37
Financial.
47:38
That's
47:38
a
47:38
big
47:39
one.
47:39
And
47:40
spiritual.
47:41
Yeah.
47:42
And
47:42
so
47:43
those.
47:43
Yeah,
47:44
those
47:45
are
47:45
all
47:45
big
47:45
ones.
47:46
Absolutely.
47:47
And
47:47
so
47:48
I
47:48
go
47:48
into.
47:49
I've
47:49
got
47:49
a
47:49
cough
47:49
again.
47:50
Yeah.
47:51
Yes.
47:51
And
47:52
I
47:52
go
47:52
into
47:53
each
47:53
one
47:53
of
47:53
them
47:53
in
47:54
the
47:54
book
47:54
in
47:54
detail
47:55
with
47:56
explanation.
47:57
And
47:57
I
47:57
do
47:57
a
47:57
lot
47:57
of
47:57
bullet
47:58
points.
47:58
I
47:58
make
47:58
it
47:58
very
47:59
easy
47:59
read.
47:59
It's
48:00
an
48:00
easy
48:00
read,
48:00
guys.
48:01
Trust
48:01
me.
48:01
Yeah,
48:02
yeah.
48:02
It's
48:02
an
48:02
emotional
48:03
read
48:03
for
48:03
men
48:04
who
48:04
are
48:04
experiencing
48:05
it.
48:05
But
48:05
it's,
48:05
it's
48:06
laid
48:07
out
48:07
in
48:07
a
48:07
very
48:08
sequential,
48:08
systematic
48:10
and
48:10
easy
48:10
to
48:11
read
48:11
format.
48:12
And
48:12
then
48:13
I
48:13
couple
48:14
it
48:14
with
48:14
little,
48:14
little
48:15
stories,
48:15
like
48:16
real
48:16
life
48:16
stories.
48:17
I
48:17
don't
48:17
make
48:18
anything
48:18
up.
48:19
And
48:19
there's
48:20
stories
48:20
throughout
48:21
for
48:21
the
48:22
most
48:22
part.
48:22
It's
48:23
not
48:23
like,
48:23
like
48:24
a
48:24
lot
48:24
of
48:24
self
48:24
help
48:25
books
48:25
will
48:25
be
48:25
written
48:26
as
48:26
a
48:27
huge,
48:27
big
48:27
story
48:28
with
48:28
all
48:28
the
48:29
details
48:29
and
48:29
then
48:30
go
48:30
into
48:30
explanation
48:31
for
48:32
the
48:32
most
48:32
part.
48:32
I
48:32
don't
48:32
do
48:33
that.
48:33
There's
48:33
only
48:34
one
48:34
man
48:34
That
48:35
I
48:35
tell
48:36
a
48:36
whole
48:36
lot
48:36
of
48:36
his
48:37
one
48:37
story,
48:37
and
48:38
it's
48:38
new
48:38
in
48:38
the
48:38
new
48:38
edition.
48:39
Nice.
48:40
It's
48:40
Baron
48:41
Lee,
48:42
who's
48:42
from
48:43
our
48:43
area,
48:44
generally,
48:45
like
48:45
up
48:45
in
48:45
the
48:45
Seattle
48:46
area,
48:47
who
48:47
I've
48:47
met
48:48
a
48:48
couple
48:48
of
48:48
times,
48:49
whose
48:51
ex
48:51
wife
48:52
hired
48:52
two
48:52
teenagers
48:54
who
48:54
then
48:54
shot
48:55
him
48:55
nine
48:55
times.
48:56
And
48:56
he
48:56
survived.
48:57
That
48:58
is.
48:58
Nine
48:59
times
48:59
is
49:01
tough
49:01
to
49:02
survive.
49:03
Yeah.
49:04
And
49:04
he.
49:05
He
49:05
had
49:05
been
49:07
abused
49:07
by
49:07
her
49:08
prior
49:09
to
49:09
this.
49:10
So
49:10
then
49:10
he
49:10
was
49:11
divorced.
49:11
And
49:11
then
49:12
she
49:12
was
49:12
after
49:13
the
49:13
child
49:14
trust
49:14
fund.
49:15
Yep.
49:15
They
49:15
had
49:16
a
49:16
disabled
49:16
child.
49:16
She
49:17
wanted
49:17
the
49:17
trust
49:17
fund.
49:18
She
49:18
was
49:18
running
49:19
out
49:19
of
49:19
Runway
49:20
to
49:21
get
49:21
her
49:21
hands
49:21
on
49:21
that.
49:22
And
49:22
so
49:22
she
49:23
tried
49:23
to
49:23
have
49:23
him
49:24
killed.
49:25
And.
49:26
And
49:26
a
49:26
lot
49:26
of
49:27
his.
49:27
So
49:27
I
49:27
use
49:28
his
49:28
example
49:29
because
49:30
there's
49:30
so
49:30
much
49:30
legal
49:31
abuse.
49:32
Oh,
49:32
yeah.
49:33
He
49:33
checks
49:33
all
49:33
the
49:33
boxes
49:34
in
49:34
this.
49:34
One
49:35
in
49:35
his
49:35
story
49:36
that
49:36
I
49:36
use
49:37
it
49:37
at
49:37
the.
49:37
As
49:37
a
49:38
culminating
49:38
story
49:38
in
49:39
the
49:39
chapter
49:39
about
49:39
legal
49:40
and
49:40
administrative
49:41
abuse.
49:42
And
49:42
other
49:42
than
49:43
that,
49:43
I
49:43
use
49:43
snippets
49:44
throughout.
49:45
Yeah.
49:45
And
49:46
yes,
49:46
guys,
49:46
I'm
49:46
in
49:46
there,
49:46
too.
49:47
And
49:47
a
49:47
few
49:47
little
49:48
spots.
49:48
So
49:49
you
49:49
are.
49:50
And
49:50
they'll
49:50
recognize
49:51
it
49:51
now.
49:52
Yeah,
49:52
I'm
49:52
okay
49:53
with
49:53
that.
49:53
I'm
49:53
okay
49:54
with
49:54
that.
49:54
That's.
49:54
That's
49:55
one
49:55
of
49:55
those
49:55
things
49:55
that
49:56
I've
49:56
had
49:56
so
49:56
many
49:56
people
49:56
go,
49:57
oh,
49:58
you
49:58
don't
49:58
talk
49:58
about
49:58
it
49:59
much.
49:59
And
49:59
I'm
49:59
kind
50:00
of
50:00
in
50:00
the
50:00
point
50:00
of
50:00
my
50:00
life
50:01
now
50:01
that
50:01
I'm
50:01
like,
50:01
I
50:02
need
50:02
to
50:02
talk
50:02
about
50:02
it
50:02
a
50:03
lot
50:03
more
50:04
and
50:05
do
50:05
it.
50:05
I
50:06
mean,
50:06
they
50:06
did
50:06
a
50:06
story.
50:07
I
50:07
mean,
50:07
I
50:07
was
50:07
shocked
50:08
as
50:08
playing
50:08
in
50:09
a
50:09
kid
50:09
in
50:09
a
50:10
rock
50:10
and
50:10
roll
50:10
band
50:11
in
50:11
high
50:11
school
50:11
and.
50:12
And
50:12
even
50:12
doing
50:13
it
50:13
in
50:13
the
50:14
early
50:14
2000s
50:15
and
50:15
in
50:15
Seattle
50:16
and
50:16
everything
50:16
else.
50:17
I
50:17
kind
50:17
of
50:17
always
50:17
wanted
50:17
to
50:18
have
50:18
my
50:18
band
50:18
in
50:18
Rolling
50:19
Stone.
50:19
This
50:20
was
50:20
not
50:20
how
50:20
I
50:20
wanted
50:21
to
50:21
get
50:21
in
50:21
Rolling
50:21
Stone,
50:22
but
50:23
it
50:23
still
50:23
got
50:23
me
50:24
there.
50:24
But,
50:24
you
50:25
know,
50:25
got
50:25
into
50:25
Rolling
50:26
Stone.
50:26
Yeah,
50:27
they
50:27
actually
50:27
did
50:28
an
50:28
article
50:28
on
50:29
it.
50:29
I
50:29
actually.
50:29
I
50:30
have
50:30
the
50:30
Meg.
50:30
I
50:30
bought
50:30
it
50:30
around
50:31
here.
50:31
I
50:31
have
50:31
a
50:31
copy
50:32
of
50:32
it
50:32
because
50:32
I
50:32
ordered
50:32
it
50:33
from
50:33
them
50:34
when
50:34
it
50:34
came
50:34
out,
50:35
but
50:35
it
50:35
made
50:35
it
50:35
in
50:35
Rolling
50:36
Stone.
50:36
Or
50:36
they
50:36
talked
50:37
about
50:37
her
50:37
and
50:37
they
50:38
did
50:38
a
50:38
whole
50:38
hit
50:38
piece
50:38
on
50:39
her
50:39
and
50:39
mentioned
50:41
me,
50:41
her
50:41
other
50:42
ex
50:42
husband,
50:43
and
50:44
in
50:44
that
50:44
whole
50:44
thing.
50:45
And
50:45
she
50:45
was
50:45
doing
50:45
a
50:46
campaign.
50:46
I
50:46
felt
50:46
bad
50:47
for
50:47
her
50:47
current
50:48
husband,
50:48
which
50:49
I
50:49
think
50:49
is
50:49
number
50:50
five.
50:50
I
50:50
could
50:50
be
50:50
wrong,
50:51
but
50:51
she
50:52
was
50:52
running
50:52
for
50:53
elected
50:54
office.
50:55
And
50:55
I
50:56
felt
50:56
bad
50:56
for
50:56
him
50:57
because
50:57
I
50:57
knew
50:57
he
50:57
didn't
50:57
know
50:58
the
50:58
story
50:59
because
51:00
she
51:00
was
51:01
out
51:01
saying
51:01
that.
51:01
When
51:02
I
51:02
came
51:02
back
51:02
and
51:02
went,
51:02
well,
51:03
here's
51:03
her
51:03
four
51:03
divorces
51:04
to
51:04
an
51:05
interview
51:05
that
51:05
one
51:05
of
51:05
the
51:05
press
51:06
people
51:06
were
51:06
doing.
51:07
And
51:07
I
51:07
was
51:07
like,
51:08
here's
51:08
all
51:09
the
51:09
paperwork
51:10
out
51:10
of
51:10
the
51:10
legal
51:11
system.
51:11
Public
51:11
knowledge.
51:13
Here's
51:13
what
51:13
I
51:13
have.
51:14
And
51:15
she's
51:15
like,
51:15
oh,
51:15
no,
51:15
no,
51:15
I
51:16
was
51:16
only
51:16
married
51:17
two
51:17
times.
51:17
And
51:18
I'm
51:18
like,
51:18
no,
51:18
there's.
51:19
Here's
51:20
the
51:20
four
51:20
divorces.
51:21
Yeah.
51:21
So
51:22
that's
51:23
that
51:23
lying
51:24
and
51:24
that's
51:24
that
51:24
other
51:24
stuff
51:25
that
51:25
again,
51:25
that
51:26
goes
51:26
with
51:26
all
51:26
this
51:26
stuff.
51:27
And
51:28
we're
51:28
talking
51:28
and
51:28
there's
51:29
degrees.
51:29
Right.
51:29
So
51:30
that's
51:30
100%.
51:30
That's
51:31
particularly
51:32
malicious.
51:33
Yeah.
51:33
And
51:34
so
51:34
sometimes
51:35
it's
51:35
not
51:35
going
51:35
to
51:35
be
51:36
that
51:36
far
51:36
gone
51:37
and
51:38
still
51:38
be
51:39
causing
51:39
a
51:39
lot
51:39
of
51:40
harm.
51:40
Yeah.
51:41
Another
51:41
thing,
51:42
too,
51:42
that
51:42
I've
51:42
noticed,
51:43
too,
51:43
and
51:43
in
51:44
my
51:44
experience,
51:44
I
51:44
don't
51:45
know
51:45
if
51:45
there's
51:45
any
51:45
facts
51:46
to
51:46
back
51:46
this
51:46
up,
51:47
but
51:47
from
51:47
what
51:47
I've
51:48
seen
51:49
in
51:50
females
51:50
that
51:51
are
51:52
abusing
51:53
their
51:53
partner,
51:54
it
51:55
seems
51:55
that
51:55
they're
51:55
okay
51:56
with
51:56
doing
51:56
the
51:56
same
51:57
thing
51:57
to
51:57
their
51:57
kids
51:58
as
51:58
well.
51:59
I
51:59
don't
51:59
know.
51:59
So
52:00
I
52:00
want
52:00
to.
52:00
I
52:00
want
52:00
to.
52:00
Again,
52:01
I
52:01
don't
52:01
know.
52:01
I
52:01
don't
52:01
know.
52:01
I'm
52:02
just
52:02
saying
52:02
that
52:02
it
52:02
seems
52:03
that.
52:03
Because
52:04
every
52:04
time
52:04
that
52:04
I've
52:05
seen
52:05
it,
52:05
it
52:05
seems
52:06
that.
52:06
That.
52:07
That,
52:08
at
52:08
least
52:08
on
52:08
the
52:08
violent
52:09
side
52:10
is
52:11
okay.
52:12
It's
52:12
okay
52:13
for
52:13
them.
52:13
And
52:13
maybe
52:14
they're
52:14
not
52:14
doing
52:14
something
52:15
illegal,
52:15
but
52:15
they're
52:16
definitely
52:17
rougher
52:18
with
52:18
their
52:18
kids.
52:19
So
52:19
I
52:20
have
52:20
seen
52:20
it
52:20
go
52:20
either
52:20
way.
52:21
Okay.
52:22
And
52:22
so
52:22
for
52:22
some
52:23
men
52:23
who
52:23
are
52:24
assessing,
52:25
do
52:25
I
52:25
stay?
52:26
Do
52:26
I
52:26
go?
52:27
Is
52:27
part
52:27
of
52:27
it,
52:28
Is
52:28
it
52:28
happening?
52:28
Is
52:29
she
52:29
also
52:30
the
52:30
kids.
52:30
Yeah.
52:31
Because
52:31
sometimes
52:32
they
52:32
won't
52:32
be.
52:32
Sometimes
52:33
they're
52:33
t.
52:33
They
52:34
could
52:34
be
52:34
a
52:34
man
52:34
hater
52:35
or
52:35
they
52:35
could
52:35
have
52:35
other
52:36
stuff
52:36
going
52:36
on.
52:37
True.
52:37
It
52:37
could
52:38
be
52:38
more
52:38
because
52:38
it's
52:39
culturally,
52:40
I
52:40
have
52:40
to
52:40
say,
52:40
it's
52:41
pretty
52:41
much
52:41
culturally
52:42
sanctioned
52:43
for
52:43
a
52:44
woman
52:44
to
52:44
abuse
52:44
her
52:45
man.
52:46
And
52:46
so
52:46
whereas
52:47
it's
52:47
not
52:47
for
52:47
children.
52:48
Now,
52:49
a
52:50
great
52:50
thing
52:50
I
52:50
found
52:51
in
52:51
going
52:51
down
52:51
this
52:52
adventure
52:52
of
52:52
doing
52:52
a
52:53
second
52:53
revised
52:53
edition
52:54
of
52:54
the
52:54
book,
52:54
by
52:55
the
52:55
way,
52:55
I
52:55
thought
52:55
it
52:55
was
52:56
going
52:56
to
52:56
take
52:56
me
52:56
a
52:56
few
52:56
days
52:57
and
52:57
it
52:58
took
52:58
me
52:58
a
52:58
better
52:58
part
52:58
of
52:59
a
52:59
year
53:00
because
53:00
there's
53:00
been
53:00
so
53:00
much
53:01
research
53:01
before.
53:02
When
53:02
I
53:02
did
53:02
the
53:02
first
53:02
one,
53:03
there
53:03
really
53:03
was
53:04
not
53:04
much
53:04
research.
53:05
I
53:05
wasn't
53:06
really
53:06
kind
53:06
of
53:06
out
53:07
there
53:07
on
53:07
my
53:07
own
53:08
figuring
53:08
this
53:08
out.
53:09
And
53:10
now
53:10
I
53:11
know
53:11
a
53:11
lot
53:11
of
53:11
the
53:11
professors
53:12
around
53:12
the
53:12
world
53:12
who
53:13
are
53:13
researching,
53:13
and
53:13
this
53:13
is
53:14
a
53:14
small
53:14
community
53:14
because
53:15
there's
53:15
not
53:15
many,
53:16
so
53:16
we
53:16
do
53:16
tend
53:17
to
53:17
know
53:17
each
53:17
other.
53:18
And
53:18
I
53:19
really
53:19
dove
53:19
into
53:21
what
53:21
the
53:21
research
53:22
has
53:22
been
53:22
coming
53:22
up
53:23
with.
53:23
Yeah.
53:24
The
53:24
first
53:24
edition
53:24
I
53:25
avoid
53:25
is
53:25
statistics
53:26
entirely
53:26
because
53:27
I
53:27
didn't
53:27
want
53:27
to
53:28
get
53:28
into
53:28
controversy.
53:29
Correct.
53:30
And
53:30
when
53:31
I
53:31
was
53:31
interviewed,
53:31
people
53:32
Always
53:32
wanted
53:32
to
53:32
know
53:33
the
53:33
comparable
53:33
statistics,
53:34
so
53:34
I
53:34
thought,
53:34
I'll
53:35
just
53:35
go
53:35
for
53:35
it
53:35
this
53:35
time.
53:36
And
53:36
then
53:36
what
53:36
I
53:37
found
53:37
was
53:37
this
53:37
great
53:38
bounty
53:39
of.
53:39
In
53:39
a
53:39
book,
53:40
you
53:40
can
53:40
cover
53:41
so
53:41
many
53:41
statistical
53:42
areas
53:43
compared
53:43
to,
53:44
like,
53:44
a
53:44
research
53:44
project
53:45
where
53:45
you're
53:45
diving
53:45
into
53:45
one.
53:46
Yeah.
53:47
So
53:47
I
53:47
could
53:47
talk
53:47
about.
53:48
It's
53:48
about
53:48
equal
53:49
numbers
53:50
for
53:51
the
53:51
different
53:51
kinds
53:52
of
53:52
abuse.
53:53
Even
53:53
when
53:54
you
53:54
get
53:54
down
53:54
to
53:54
severe
53:55
physical
53:55
abuse,
53:55
it's
53:56
pretty
53:56
much
53:57
equal
53:57
numbers.
53:58
Yeah.
53:58
And
53:59
then
53:59
I
53:59
was
53:59
able
54:00
to
54:00
find
54:00
research
54:01
on,
54:02
well,
54:02
how
54:02
much
54:03
do
54:03
men
54:03
get
54:03
hurt?
54:04
Because
54:04
that's
54:04
another
54:04
line.
54:05
There's
54:05
another
54:05
myth
54:06
that,
54:06
well,
54:07
it
54:07
doesn't
54:07
really
54:07
hurt
54:07
men.
54:08
Well,
54:08
it
54:09
turns
54:09
out
54:09
it
54:09
does.
54:10
It
54:10
does.
54:11
And
54:11
yeah,
54:11
the
54:12
statistics
54:12
on,
54:13
like,
54:13
one
54:14
astounded
54:14
me
54:16
on
54:16
just
54:17
300
54:17
men
54:18
who
54:18
were
54:19
abused
54:19
and
54:20
had
54:20
called
54:20
when
54:21
we
54:21
had
54:21
a
54:21
domestic
54:22
violence
54:22
helpline
54:23
for
54:23
abused
54:24
men,
54:25
which
54:25
ran
54:25
out
54:26
of
54:26
funding
54:26
and
54:26
couldn't.
54:27
Couldn't
54:27
keep
54:28
existing.
54:29
But
54:29
when
54:29
we
54:29
did,
54:29
they
54:30
got
54:30
300
54:30
of
54:31
those
54:31
men
54:31
and
54:32
did
54:32
a
54:32
research
54:32
project
54:33
on
54:33
them.
54:34
And
54:34
it's
54:34
astounding
54:35
how
54:35
badly
54:36
hurt
54:36
they
54:36
were.
54:37
Yeah.
54:37
So
54:38
getting
54:38
choked
54:39
multiple
54:39
times
54:39
a
54:40
year,
54:40
going
54:41
unconscious
54:41
multiple
54:42
times
54:42
a
54:42
year,
54:42
multiple
54:43
broken
54:43
bones.
54:44
And
54:44
this
54:44
was
54:44
all
54:44
looking
54:45
at
54:45
what
54:45
happened
54:45
to
54:45
you
54:46
in
54:46
the.
54:46
In
54:46
the
54:46
previous
54:47
year.
54:48
Wow.
54:49
And
54:49
the
54:49
percentage
54:50
that
54:50
were
54:51
the
54:52
fought
54:52
for
54:52
it
54:53
have
54:53
gone
54:53
to
54:53
the
54:53
hospital
54:54
or
54:54
did
54:54
go
54:54
to
54:54
the
54:54
hospital.
54:55
Wow.
54:56
About
54:56
their
54:56
injuries.
54:57
So
54:58
I
54:58
was
54:58
able
54:58
to
54:58
bring
54:59
that
54:59
out
54:59
in
54:59
the
55:00
book.
55:00
And
55:01
also
55:01
looking
55:02
at
55:03
when
55:03
wives.
55:04
When
55:04
women
55:05
do
55:06
kill.
55:07
Yeah.
55:07
They
55:08
are
55:08
much
55:08
more
55:08
likely
55:09
to
55:09
kill
55:09
in
55:09
the
55:09
family
55:10
than
55:11
a
55:11
man
55:11
is.
55:12
And
55:13
I
55:13
think
55:13
that's
55:13
an
55:13
important
55:13
statistic
55:14
that
55:14
family
55:15
court
55:15
needs
55:16
to
55:16
know
55:16
more
55:16
about
55:18
and
55:18
recognize
55:19
more
55:19
when
55:19
they're
55:19
assessing
55:20
who's
55:20
at
55:21
danger
55:21
here.
55:22
Yeah.
55:22
Because
55:23
both
55:23
parties.
55:23
If
55:24
there's
55:24
a
55:24
lot
55:24
of
55:24
physical
55:25
violence,
55:25
both
55:26
parties
55:26
are
55:26
at
55:27
danger.
55:28
Yeah.
55:28
No
55:28
question.
55:29
And
55:29
it's
55:29
interesting,
55:29
too,
55:30
because
55:30
I've
55:30
been
55:31
watching.
55:31
My
55:31
girlfriend
55:32
loves
55:32
those
55:32
crime
55:33
shows.
55:33
So
55:33
we
55:34
watch
55:34
the
55:34
2020s
55:35
and
55:35
the
55:35
date
55:36
lines
55:36
and
55:36
all
55:37
those
55:37
different
55:37
things
55:37
in
55:37
the
55:38
evenings.
55:38
And
55:39
there
55:39
are
55:40
so
55:40
many
55:40
of
55:40
the,
55:41
oh,
55:41
yeah,
55:41
she
55:41
was
55:42
putting
55:42
antifreeze
55:43
in
55:43
his
55:43
smoothie.
55:45
To
55:46
the
55:46
fentanyl
55:46
overdose,
55:47
the
55:47
guy
55:48
that
55:48
didn't
55:48
do
55:48
drugs
55:50
and
55:50
all
55:51
of
55:51
these
55:51
kind
55:51
of
55:51
situations.
55:52
And
55:52
you
55:52
go,
55:53
wow.
55:53
To
55:55
the
55:55
guy
55:55
in
55:55
the
55:55
book.
55:56
They
55:56
got
55:56
shot
55:56
nine
55:57
times.
55:57
It's
55:58
no
55:58
joke.
55:59
Right.
55:59
Take
56:00
it
56:00
seriously.
56:00
Yeah.
56:01
Yeah.
56:01
You
56:02
got
56:02
to.
56:02
And
56:03
I
56:03
think
56:03
this
56:04
book
56:05
is
56:06
something
56:07
that
56:07
parents,
56:08
if
56:08
you've
56:09
got
56:09
that
56:09
young
56:10
adult
56:10
growing
56:10
up
56:11
and
56:11
you
56:11
want
56:12
to
56:12
help
56:12
him
56:13
get
56:14
into
56:14
life
56:14
and
56:15
dating
56:15
and
56:15
everything
56:15
else,
56:16
I
56:16
think
56:16
this
56:16
is
56:16
a
56:17
smart
56:17
read
56:18
for
56:19
them
56:19
to
56:19
know
56:20
the
56:20
signs
56:20
before
56:21
they
56:21
get
56:21
into
56:22
that
56:22
relationship.
56:23
Yeah.
56:24
And
56:24
I
56:24
think
56:24
it
56:25
will
56:25
give
56:25
them
56:25
the
56:26
tools
56:27
to
56:27
be
56:27
able
56:28
to
56:28
handle
56:28
it
56:29
and
56:29
go,
56:29
oh,
56:30
I
56:30
read
56:30
about
56:31
this.
56:32
Yeah,
56:32
I'm
56:32
not
56:32
staying.
56:33
I'm
56:34
not
56:34
staying.
56:34
And
56:36
yeah,
56:36
could
56:36
it
56:37
get
56:37
better?
56:37
Yes.
56:37
But
56:38
that
56:38
goes
56:38
back
56:38
to
56:39
that
56:39
assessment.
56:39
Part
56:39
of
56:40
it
56:40
is,
56:40
okay,
56:40
what's
56:41
there?
56:41
Oh,
56:42
my
56:42
gosh,
56:42
I
56:42
need
56:42
help.
56:43
And
56:43
they
56:43
do
56:43
the
56:44
action
56:44
part
56:44
of
56:44
that.
56:45
Exactly,
56:46
exactly.
56:47
Everyone
56:47
makes
56:47
mistakes,
56:48
however,
56:49
comma,
56:50
if
56:50
they're
56:51
not
56:51
apologetic
56:52
for
56:52
it
56:52
and
56:52
it's
56:52
not
56:53
real,
56:53
it's
56:54
not
56:54
going
56:54
to
56:54
change.
56:54
The
56:55
odds
56:55
are,
56:55
to
56:56
me,
56:56
it's
56:56
going
56:56
to
56:56
get
56:56
worse.
56:57
Yes,
56:58
yes.
56:59
And
56:59
that's
56:59
part
57:00
to
57:00
put
57:00
into
57:00
the
57:00
assessment.
57:01
Right.
57:01
Yeah.
57:02
Yeah.
57:03
So,
57:03
Ann,
57:03
I
57:03
know
57:03
we're
57:04
running
57:04
out
57:04
of
57:04
time
57:04
here
57:05
pretty
57:05
soon.
57:05
I
57:05
know
57:06
people
57:06
want
57:06
to
57:06
get
57:07
this
57:07
book
57:08
and
57:09
there's
57:09
always
57:09
ways
57:10
to
57:10
get
57:10
it
57:10
for
57:10
the
57:11
Amazon
57:11
people
57:12
out
57:12
there.
57:12
I've
57:13
seen
57:13
it
57:13
on
57:13
Amazon.
57:14
It's
57:14
out
57:14
now.
57:15
And
57:15
then
57:16
you've
57:16
got
57:16
a
57:16
place
57:16
for
57:17
those
57:17
people
57:17
out
57:17
there
57:17
that
57:18
go,
57:18
I
57:18
don't
57:19
do
57:19
Amazon.
57:19
I
57:20
like
57:20
to
57:20
go
57:20
to
57:20
my
57:20
local
57:21
bookstore.
57:21
I
57:22
want
57:22
to
57:22
order
57:22
it
57:23
online
57:23
from
57:23
somebody.
57:24
You
57:24
have
57:24
a
57:24
place
57:25
as
57:25
well
57:25
for
57:25
that.
57:26
So
57:26
I
57:26
think
57:27
you.
57:27
You've
57:27
got
57:27
the
57:28
link.
57:28
Did
57:28
you
57:28
get
57:28
that?
57:29
I
57:29
have
57:29
it
57:29
right
57:29
there.
57:29
Okay,
57:30
so
57:30
what
57:31
will
57:31
you
57:31
do
57:31
with
57:31
the
57:31
link?
57:32
How
57:32
will
57:32
people.
57:33
So
57:33
I'm
57:33
going
57:33
to
57:33
put
57:34
this
57:34
up
57:34
in
57:34
the
57:34
podcast
57:35
and
57:35
everything
57:35
out
57:36
there
57:36
as
57:36
well
57:36
as
57:37
we're
57:37
going
57:37
to
57:37
put
57:37
the
57:37
Amazon
57:38
link
57:38
on
57:38
our
57:38
website
57:39
as
57:39
well.
57:39
So
57:40
we'll
57:40
have
57:40
it
57:40
all
57:40
there.
57:40
But
57:41
for
57:42
all
57:42
the
57:42
people
57:42
out
57:43
there
57:43
listening
57:43
that
57:43
don't
57:43
want
57:43
to
57:44
go
57:44
to
57:44
that,
57:44
just
57:44
go
57:44
to
57:44
ansilvers.com
57:46
and
57:46
you
57:46
can
57:46
go
57:46
in
57:46
the
57:47
products
57:47
and
57:47
find
57:47
it
57:47
right
57:47
there.
57:48
Correct,
57:48
Exactly.
57:49
And
57:49
if
57:49
you're
57:49
on
57:50
Amazon,
57:50
by
57:50
the
57:50
way,
57:51
the
57:51
first
57:51
edition
57:52
is
57:52
still
57:52
on
57:52
Amazon.
57:53
I
57:53
have
57:53
to
57:53
keep
57:53
it
57:53
there
57:54
because
57:55
of
57:55
all
57:55
the
57:55
old
57:55
links.
57:56
Right?
57:56
Yeah.
57:57
And
57:57
I
57:57
have
57:57
tried
57:58
and
57:58
tried
57:59
to
57:59
make
57:59
it
57:59
very
57:59
clear
58:00
this
58:00
is
58:00
the
58:00
first
58:01
edition.
58:01
Go
58:01
get
58:01
the
58:02
second
58:02
edition.
58:02
But
58:02
I
58:03
still
58:03
feel.
58:03
See
58:04
people
58:04
buying
58:04
the
58:04
first
58:05
edition.
58:05
Yeah.
58:06
Makes
58:06
me
58:06
kind
58:06
of
58:07
sad.
58:07
So
58:08
just
58:08
be
58:08
sure
58:09
you're
58:09
looking
58:09
for
58:10
the
58:10
second
58:11
edition.
58:12
And
58:12
it's
58:12
up
58:12
on
58:13
my
58:13
shelf
58:13
there.
58:14
It's
58:14
got
58:14
a
58:14
blue
58:14
cover,
58:15
whereas
58:15
the
58:15
first
58:16
edition
58:16
has
58:16
a
58:16
white
58:17
cover.
58:17
It
58:18
has
58:18
the
58:18
same
58:18
red
58:18
heel
58:19
and
58:19
black.
58:20
The
58:20
man's
58:21
shoe
58:21
and
58:21
the
58:21
red
58:21
heel
58:22
pressing
58:22
down
58:23
on
58:23
it.
58:24
And.
58:25
But
58:25
it's.
58:25
You're
58:26
looking
58:26
for
58:26
the
58:26
revised
58:27
second
58:27
edition.
58:27
Yeah.
58:28
And
58:28
I
58:28
just
58:28
want.
58:29
I
58:29
have
58:30
to
58:30
thank
58:30
you
58:31
for
58:31
the
58:31
help
58:31
you've
58:32
given
58:32
me
58:33
and
58:33
the
58:33
help
58:34
you're
58:34
giving
58:35
men
58:35
out
58:35
there
58:37
of
58:37
the
58:37
awareness.
58:38
I
58:38
mean,
58:38
you've
58:38
been
58:39
doing
58:39
this
58:39
for.
58:40
Sheesh.
58:41
This
58:41
is
58:42
a
58:42
subject
58:42
you've
58:42
been
58:42
diving
58:43
into
58:43
for
58:43
at
58:43
least
58:44
15
58:44
years
58:44
that
58:44
I
58:45
know
58:45
of.
58:45
You
58:46
and
58:46
I
58:46
have
58:46
now
58:46
known
58:46
each
58:47
other
58:47
for
58:47
a
58:47
long
58:47
time.
58:48
But
58:48
this
58:48
is
58:48
something
58:49
that
58:50
I
58:50
don't
58:51
know
58:51
of
58:51
anybody
58:51
that
58:51
has
58:52
brought
58:52
more
58:52
awareness
58:53
to
58:53
this
58:53
subject
58:53
than
58:54
you
58:54
have.
58:54
And
58:54
I
58:54
just
58:55
gotta
58:55
say
58:55
for
58:56
all
58:56
the
58:56
guys
58:56
out
58:57
there
58:57
and
58:57
all
58:57
the
58:57
families
58:58
out
58:58
there,
58:59
thank
58:59
you
58:59
for
59:00
what
59:00
you're
59:00
doing
59:00
and
59:00
keep
59:00
up
59:01
the
59:01
great
59:01
work
59:01
because
59:02
this
59:03
guys
59:03
is
59:04
an
59:04
amazing
59:04
read.
59:05
This
59:05
is
59:05
not
59:05
something
59:06
you'll.
59:06
You'll
59:07
pick
59:07
it
59:07
up
59:07
and
59:07
you're
59:08
going
59:08
to
59:08
want
59:08
to
59:08
work
59:08
your
59:08
way
59:08
through
59:09
it.
59:09
It's
59:09
an
59:10
easy
59:10
read,
59:11
but
59:11
it
59:12
is
59:12
so
59:12
jam
59:13
packed
59:13
full
59:13
of
59:14
useful
59:14
information
59:15
and
59:16
tools
59:17
you
59:17
or
59:17
someone
59:18
else
59:18
can
59:18
use.
59:19
Thank
59:20
you.
59:20
I
59:20
appreciate
59:21
it.
59:21
And
59:21
I
59:21
get
59:21
backlash
59:22
at
59:22
times
59:22
and
59:23
so
59:23
it
59:24
really
59:24
feels
59:24
good
59:24
to
59:25
get
59:25
the.
59:26
Yeah,
59:26
it
59:26
made
59:26
a
59:27
positive
59:27
difference.
59:28
Yeah.
59:28
And
59:28
guys,
59:29
just
59:29
so
59:29
we're
59:30
clear,
59:30
abuse
59:31
is
59:31
never
59:31
okay.
59:33
What
59:33
we're
59:33
talking
59:33
about
59:34
here
59:34
is
59:35
the
59:35
thing
59:35
that's
59:36
not
59:37
or
59:37
rarely
59:37
discussed
59:38
is
59:39
the
59:39
other
59:39
half
59:40
that
59:40
no
59:40
one's
59:40
talking
59:41
about
59:42
right
59:43
there.
59:44
This
59:44
is
59:44
serious
59:44
all
59:45
around.
59:45
So
59:45
we're
59:45
not
59:46
downplaying
59:47
anybody
59:48
else's
59:48
story,
59:48
but
59:49
we're
59:49
saying,
59:49
hey,
59:50
it's
59:50
us
59:51
two.
59:52
Yeah.
59:53
Yeah.
59:53
I
59:53
actually
59:53
have
59:54
a
59:54
minor
59:54
in
59:54
women's
59:54
studies
59:57
and
59:57
I
59:58
attended
59:58
in
59:59
1995.
1:00:00
I
1:00:00
attended
1:00:00
the
1:00:01
United
1:00:01
nations
1:00:01
conference
1:00:02
on
1:00:02
women
1:00:02
in
1:00:02
China.
1:00:03
Wow.
1:00:04
Yeah.
1:00:04
So
1:00:04
I
1:00:04
have
1:00:05
my,
1:00:05
like
1:00:05
I'm
1:00:06
a
1:00:06
card
1:00:06
carrying,
1:00:07
care
1:00:07
about
1:00:08
woman.
1:00:08
Yeah.
1:00:09
Person.
1:00:10
Which.
1:00:10
So
1:00:10
I
1:00:11
bring
1:00:11
that.
1:00:11
I
1:00:11
think
1:00:11
that's
1:00:12
part
1:00:12
of
1:00:12
what
1:00:12
makes
1:00:13
the
1:00:13
book
1:00:13
really
1:00:13
good
1:00:14
too
1:00:14
is
1:00:15
I
1:00:15
bring
1:00:15
this
1:00:16
balance.
1:00:16
I'm
1:00:16
not
1:00:16
anti
1:00:17
woman.
1:00:18
No.
1:00:18
I
1:00:19
am
1:00:19
anti
1:00:19
abuse
1:00:20
100.
1:00:21
Yeah.
1:00:22
And
1:00:22
I
1:00:22
want
1:00:22
to
1:00:22
be
1:00:23
clear
1:00:23
with
1:00:23
that.
1:00:23
Just
1:00:23
I'm
1:00:24
like,
1:00:24
let's,
1:00:24
let's
1:00:24
make
1:00:24
sure
1:00:24
we
1:00:25
say
1:00:25
that
1:00:25
out
1:00:25
loud
1:00:25
for
1:00:25
people
1:00:26
out
1:00:26
there
1:00:26
because
1:00:27
I
1:00:27
think
1:00:27
it's
1:00:27
important.
1:00:28
But
1:00:28
it
1:00:29
also
1:00:29
brings
1:00:29
in
1:00:29
that
1:00:30
your
1:00:30
expertise
1:00:30
as
1:00:31
well
1:00:31
from
1:00:31
that.
1:00:31
And
1:00:32
I
1:00:32
think
1:00:32
that's
1:00:32
what
1:00:32
gives
1:00:33
us
1:00:33
such
1:00:33
great
1:00:33
balance.
1:00:34
And
1:00:34
it's
1:00:34
just
1:00:34
one
1:00:34
of
1:00:34
those
1:00:34
things
1:00:35
that
1:00:35
I'm
1:00:36
going
1:00:36
to
1:00:36
spend
1:00:36
a
1:00:37
lot
1:00:37
more
1:00:37
time.
1:00:38
This
1:00:38
is
1:00:38
one
1:00:38
of
1:00:38
the
1:00:38
causes
1:00:39
that
1:00:39
I'm
1:00:39
going
1:00:39
to
1:00:39
be
1:00:40
as
1:00:40
my
1:00:40
show
1:00:40
has
1:00:41
gotten
1:00:41
bigger
1:00:41
nationally
1:00:42
and
1:00:42
stuff.
1:00:42
It's
1:00:42
like
1:00:42
I
1:00:43
need
1:00:43
to
1:00:43
have
1:00:43
a
1:00:43
couple
1:00:43
things
1:00:44
that
1:00:44
I'm
1:00:44
working
1:00:44
on.
1:00:45
And
1:00:46
boy,
1:00:46
wouldn't
1:00:47
it
1:00:47
be
1:00:47
nice
1:00:47
if
1:00:47
we
1:00:47
could
1:00:48
get
1:00:48
a
1:00:48
group
1:00:49
of
1:00:49
people
1:00:49
to
1:00:49
get
1:00:49
together
1:00:50
to
1:00:50
start
1:00:50
out
1:00:50
with
1:00:51
some.
1:00:51
Creating
1:00:53
some
1:00:54
homes
1:00:54
for
1:00:55
men
1:00:55
that
1:00:56
are
1:00:56
going
1:00:56
through
1:00:56
abuse
1:00:57
across
1:00:57
the
1:00:57
country,
1:00:58
bringing
1:00:59
back
1:00:59
some
1:00:59
kind
1:00:59
of
1:01:00
hotline
1:01:00
or
1:01:00
chat
1:01:02
some
1:01:02
way
1:01:02
that
1:01:02
they
1:01:02
could
1:01:03
jump
1:01:03
on
1:01:03
their
1:01:03
phone
1:01:03
and
1:01:04
have
1:01:04
some
1:01:04
kind
1:01:04
of
1:01:04
a
1:01:05
text
1:01:05
chat
1:01:05
or
1:01:06
something.
1:01:07
Technology
1:01:07
has
1:01:08
gotten
1:01:08
better
1:01:08
where
1:01:08
we
1:01:08
can
1:01:09
do
1:01:09
some
1:01:09
of
1:01:09
that,
1:01:09
and
1:01:10
it
1:01:10
doesn't
1:01:10
have
1:01:10
to
1:01:11
be
1:01:11
the
1:01:11
phone
1:01:11
call
1:01:11
that
1:01:11
shows
1:01:12
up.
1:01:12
And
1:01:13
there's
1:01:13
got
1:01:13
to
1:01:13
be
1:01:13
a
1:01:13
better
1:01:14
way
1:01:14
to
1:01:14
do
1:01:14
it.
1:01:14
And
1:01:14
I
1:01:15
think.
1:01:15
I
1:01:15
think
1:01:15
we
1:01:15
need
1:01:15
to
1:01:15
get
1:01:16
some
1:01:16
smart
1:01:16
heads
1:01:17
together
1:01:17
to
1:01:17
say,
1:01:17
how
1:01:18
do
1:01:18
we
1:01:18
create
1:01:19
help
1:01:19
for
1:01:20
people?
1:01:21
Awesome.
1:01:21
I'm
1:01:22
in.
1:01:22
All
1:01:23
right,
1:01:23
let's
1:01:23
do
1:01:23
it.
1:01:24
And
1:01:24
guys,
1:01:24
if
1:01:24
you
1:01:25
want
1:01:25
to
1:01:25
message
1:01:25
me
1:01:26
about
1:01:26
that
1:01:26
and
1:01:26
say,
1:01:27
hey,
1:01:27
I'm
1:01:27
in,
1:01:28
head
1:01:28
over
1:01:28
to
1:01:29
aroundthehouse
1:01:29
online.com,
1:01:30
hit
1:01:30
the
1:01:30
contact
1:01:31
us
1:01:31
button,
1:01:32
and
1:01:32
you
1:01:32
can
1:01:33
find
1:01:33
me
1:01:33
right
1:01:33
there.
1:01:33
That
1:01:34
goes
1:01:34
right
1:01:34
into
1:01:34
my
1:01:34
inbox.
1:01:35
And
1:01:36
thanks
1:01:36
again,
1:01:36
guys.
1:01:37
Check
1:01:38
out
1:01:38
this
1:01:38
book.
1:01:39
The
1:01:39
links
1:01:39
are
1:01:39
in
1:01:39
the
1:01:40
podcast.
1:01:40
The
1:01:40
links
1:01:41
are
1:01:41
on
1:01:41
the
1:01:41
website.
1:01:42
We
1:01:42
can
1:01:42
find
1:01:42
it
1:01:42
there.
1:01:43
And
1:01:43
Silvers,
1:01:44
thanks
1:01:44
again,
1:01:44
my
1:01:44
friend.
1:01:45
Oh,
1:01:45
thank
1:01:45
you,
1:01:45
Eric.
1:01:46
I'm
1:01:47
Eric
1:01:47
G.
1:01:47
You've
1:01:48
been
1:01:48
listening
1:01:48
to
1:01:49
around
1:01:49
the
1:01:49
House.
1:01:55
They
1:01:56
didn't
1:01:56
take
1:01:56
drinks.
1:01:57
They
1:01:57
never
1:01:58
drank.
1:01:58
Hell,
1:01:58
they
1:01:59
never
1:01:59
raised.
1:02:00
Yee
1:02:00
haw.
1:02:00
Y',
1:02:01
all,
1:02:01
it's
1:02:01
only
1:02:02
9:30.
1:02:03
No
1:02:03
one
1:02:03
ever
1:02:04
talks
1:02:04
about
1:02:04
the
1:02:04
nights
1:02:05
they
1:02:05
went
1:02:05
to
1:02:06
bed
1:02:06
early.
1:02:18
If
1:02:18
we
1:02:19
wake
1:02:19
up
1:02:19
in
1:02:19
the
1:02:19
morning.
1:02:20
And
1:02:20
we
1:02:20
can't
1:02:21
remember.
1:02:22
Wish
1:02:22
I
1:02:22
live.
1:02:23
That
1:02:23
said,
1:02:23
no
1:02:24
one
1:02:24
ever.
1:02:28
No
1:02:28
one
1:02:29
ever.