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Hour 2 - The Polls Are Never Accurate · The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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  Speaker 1: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now. We
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  Speaker 1: are joined by Mike Collins. He represents the 10th District
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  Speaker 1: of Georgia, and he is a candidate for the Republicans,
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  Speaker 1: of course, in the great state of Georgia up against Ossoff.
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  Speaker 1: Representative Collins, I see you're in a vehicle. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for making the time for us. I know you're very
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  Speaker 1: busy trying to bring this race to a successful conclusion
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  Speaker 1: in your favor with a big W. How's it going
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  Speaker 1: so far? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the momentum is out there. We've felt the
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  Speaker 2: momentum for a few weeks now. And you can feel
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  Speaker 2: the push. The Republicans are showing up. We've got to
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  Speaker 2: continue to encourage them to show up. We've got another
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  Speaker 2: full week of early voting next week. And that momentum,
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  Speaker 2: you can see that in the people that are out
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  Speaker 2: there voting. This race, I know polling and you know polling. Polls,
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  Speaker 2: they don't really tell the true story. This race has
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  Speaker 2: been in the margin era. It has been tight. And
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  Speaker 2: we've been seeing that this race is winnable. It is
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  Speaker 2: still the number one race in the country to flip.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to be a U.S. senator from Georgia
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  Speaker 2: after November the 3rd.
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  Speaker 3: President Trump has been in Georgia rallying, holding a variety
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  Speaker 3: of events. You've got a big governor's race going on, too.
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  Speaker 3: What is the impact as you see it from the
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  Speaker 3: president coming into Georgia?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's obvious he's coming back for a
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  Speaker 2: second time. That tells you he knows this race is winnable.
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  Speaker 2: President Trump always has that ability to get that low propensity.
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  Speaker 2: Those people that only turn out when Trump's on the
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  Speaker 2: ballot or Trump is encouraging them to get out and
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  Speaker 2: go vote. And that's what you're seeing. He's going to
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  Speaker 2: the right areas. He's making sure that those people get engaged.
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  Speaker 2: And when they do, that's when the tides really turn.
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  Speaker 2: You know, President Trump won this state handily. This state
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  Speaker 2: is not a blue state. It's not purple. This state
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  Speaker 2: is really red. And we're going to show that come
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  Speaker 2: November the 3rd. I can tell you that. The people
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  Speaker 2: are excited and they're engaged because you've got a sitting U.S.
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  Speaker 2: senator who has voted almost 100 percent of the time
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  Speaker 2: with Bernie Sanders. Now, if that doesn't reflect this state
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  Speaker 2: or the people or our values, there's no one in
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  Speaker 2: this state that believes in things like men should be
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  Speaker 2: in girls sports. No, but I've not met a single
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  Speaker 2: soul out there. And yet we're putting 2000 plus miles
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  Speaker 2: a week on a vehicle and crisscrossing this state meeting
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  Speaker 2: having four to six events a day, meeting with thousands
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  Speaker 2: of people a week. And and we know that that
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  Speaker 2: these the state of Georgia has had enough of John Ossoff.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why he's going to get fired on November 3rd.
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  Speaker 1: With Mike Collins now, he is running against Ossoff in Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot of Georgia listeners, so got to
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  Speaker 1: make sure you get out there to the polls, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure you vote. You said that he votes with
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  Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders a lot, so obviously this guy's a Democrat.
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  Speaker 1: He's very blue, very left, and all that. Does he
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  Speaker 1: try to lean center at this time, though? Are there
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  Speaker 1: some issues where all of a sudden Ossoff, pretends to
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  Speaker 1: be a little more centrist, just long enough to fool
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  Speaker 1: some grannies who weren't paying close attention to the reality?
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  Speaker 1: Or is he just going hard left all the way?
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  Speaker 2: No, he's going hard left all the way. When you
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  Speaker 2: have a sitting U.S. senator who will not talk about
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  Speaker 2: his voting record, we've had two debates, and he has
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  Speaker 2: yet to explain a single vote that he took. School choice,
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  Speaker 2: voting against S-corporations, rural hospitals. I mean, my goodness, he
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  Speaker 2: voted against saving our rural hospitals across this state. And
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  Speaker 2: he won't talk about his record. It's because he can't.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing this guy is doing, John Ossoff is
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  Speaker 2: going to be the Democratic Socialist of America candidate for president.
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  Speaker 2: He just endorsed another DSA candidate this week, the lady
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  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. He has taken that mantle from Bernie Sanders.
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  Speaker 2: He's using Georgia as a platform. He really doesn't care
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  Speaker 2: about us. You can see that in his voting records.
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  Speaker 2: He's using that voting record and he is running as
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  Speaker 2: far left as he can to raise money. That's the
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  Speaker 2: only thing he needs to Georgia for is to be
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  Speaker 2: a U.S. senator to raise money. And that's that's what
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  Speaker 2: he's doing. The people are on to it now, especially
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  Speaker 2: after we've been out there showing the folks in this
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  Speaker 2: state exactly what this guy's up to. And we got
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of him. We got to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of John Ossoff so that he doesn't become a problem
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  Speaker 2: for this country.
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  Speaker 3: What do you need people in Georgia to do to
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  Speaker 3: make that possible?
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  Speaker 2: Two things. Make sure you get out there and vote.
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  Speaker 2: Get out there and vote. And not only go vote,
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  Speaker 2: but go vote early. Because when you go vote early,
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  Speaker 2: it's doing what we anticipated it to do. The news
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  Speaker 2: media has got to report that. They're reporting that Republicans
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  Speaker 2: are showing up and the momentum is with the Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: And that'll depress the opposition. It always does. But also
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  Speaker 2: make sure that you take family and friends out there
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  Speaker 2: to go with you to vote. John Ossoff only won
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  Speaker 2: the runoff in 2020 by 55,000 votes. He won it
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  Speaker 2: with 50.6% of the vote. He is down. The latest
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  Speaker 2: polling has him down to 48% if you want to
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  Speaker 2: look at polls. Forty eight percent. He is going in
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  Speaker 2: the wrong direction for him. The right direction for us.
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  Speaker 2: That shows when you have a sitting U.S. senator who
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  Speaker 2: can't poll in the high 50s. Oh, he's got he's
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  Speaker 2: got huge problems. All we got to do is make
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  Speaker 2: sure we turn out our voters. And that's what we're
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  Speaker 2: out there doing. If you're in the state of Georgia,
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  Speaker 2: take time. Please go vote today. Go make your vote,
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  Speaker 2: secure your vote and take your family and friends with you.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Collins, appreciate you being with us. Best of luck
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  Speaker 1: to you. We hope you bring home a big W,
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  Speaker 1: and if so, please come back on the show. We'll
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  Speaker 1: do a little victory dance together, okay?
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  Speaker 2: You know we will, and I appreciate y'all having me on.
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  Speaker 2: You know, another thing people can do for us, they
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  Speaker 2: can go to MikeCollinsGA.com. They can help us out, chip
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  Speaker 2: in a few bucks, make sure that we keep the
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  Speaker 2: advertising going out there and making sure that we continue
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  Speaker 2: to get out that vote.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks for being here, Congressman Collins.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Clay? We're hopeful that we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: some in defiance of the prediction markets. Quick question for you.
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  Speaker 1: You're a Friday Night Lights fan. Does Mike Collins look
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  Speaker 1: like a little bit, a little bit like he could
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  Speaker 1: be related to Buddy Garrity from Friday Night Lights for you?
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  Speaker 3: That's a good call. Every single high school in the
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  Speaker 3: South has a Buddy Garrity. That is, for those of
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  Speaker 3: you who don't know, he's the car dealership owner, the booster.
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  Speaker 1: He was, by the way, he was the heart and
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  Speaker 1: soul of that show, actually. I mean, everyone loves Coach Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: He's so handsome. Yeah, but Buddy Garrity is like, he's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the foundation upon which the show is built
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I think Buddy would be a great show in
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  Speaker 3: and of himself because there's so many of these southern
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  Speaker 3: booster football-obsessed guys. Obviously, I know... thousands of them all
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  Speaker 3: over the Southeast. But yeah, Mike Collins, that's a good,
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  Speaker 3: that's a good callback. You want a positive buck? I
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  Speaker 3: was just telling you this. I love positives. I love positives.
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  Speaker 3: Florida Republicans are flooding the polls. And again, just cause
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  Speaker 3: I say nice things. Don't think, well, that means I
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  Speaker 3: don't need to go. Clay said nice things. So that
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  Speaker 3: means I don't need to go. Clay said bad things.
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  Speaker 3: So that means I don't need to go. We want
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  Speaker 3: you to be good Americans. Like both Buck and I
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  Speaker 3: now are good Americans. But now that Buck has voted
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  Speaker 3: and his full-throated support is behind Ashley Moody in the
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  Speaker 3: Senate and Byron Donalds as governor, the polymarket and calci
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  Speaker 3: prediction markets are surging as Byron Donalds has hit a
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  Speaker 3: record today for winning is at 83% and Ashley Moody
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  Speaker 3: is up to nearly 92%. So in the entire campaign,
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  Speaker 3: They have never been bigger favorites than they are right now.
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  Speaker 3: And that is because Florida actually does a great job
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  Speaker 3: of just posting in real time every day how many
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  Speaker 3: Democrats showed up, how many Republicans showed up, what are
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  Speaker 3: the total numbers, what do they look like. And it
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  Speaker 3: is increasingly becoming clear that Florida is going to remain
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  Speaker 3: a very red state in this midterm. Now, Buck, worth mentioning,
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  Speaker 3: There were two states that really stood out as 2022
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  Speaker 3: stalwarts when it came to the voting in their states,
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  Speaker 3: New York and Florida. Both went very red in 2022.
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  Speaker 3: That is largely the reason why the House flipped. We
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  Speaker 3: mentioned Lee Zeldin running a very good campaign for governor,
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  Speaker 3: losing by about six and a half points to Kathy Hochul. Florida, what,
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  Speaker 3: DeSantis won by 19 points, I think, over his opponent
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  Speaker 3: in the 2022 Florida governor's race. Byron Donalds and Ashley
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  Speaker 3: Moody are both on track to win big race victories.
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  Speaker 3: And that also bodes well, Buck, for all of the
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  Speaker 3: redrawn Florida congressional districts. Florida was hoping to add four,
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  Speaker 3: maybe five potential Republican districts in that state. Florida is
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  Speaker 3: deep red. Clay, Fortress, Florida, the free state of Florida.
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  Speaker 3: We had no doubts down here, all my fellow Floridians.
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  Speaker 3: We were feeling calm, cool, confident, almost like a spray
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  Speaker 3: of ocean air while we're sitting there drinking a delicious
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  Speaker 3: Mai Tai on the beach. We knew that we were
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  Speaker 3: going to come through big. I'm just going to say.
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  Speaker 1: it is interesting timing that all of a sudden there's
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  Speaker 1: a big surge when the Sexton brothers show up to
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  Speaker 1: the polls. It's kind of like when the good guys,
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  Speaker 1: when the cavalry arrives. When the Apache are about to
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  Speaker 1: overrun the wagon train and all of a sudden the
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  Speaker 1: Sexton brothers up on that hill chomping on a cigar,
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  Speaker 1: shotguns at the ready come just come swooping down, swooping
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  Speaker 1: down to deliver justice, freedom and the American way. So, yes, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: it's a good day. We're going to we're going to
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  Speaker 1: come through huge big win here. And it's really funny,
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  Speaker 1: you know, by the way, people always forget this. Florida
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  Speaker 1: is really now the adopted home state of the Trump family, too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're of New York like me originally, but
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  Speaker 1: all the Trump's pretty much now live in Florida. So
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  Speaker 1: it's Trump's home state and not just him, but also
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  Speaker 1: his family members, too.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a funny comment to make on Florida as
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  Speaker 3: Republicans are flooding the state. Angie Nixon, the socialist Democrat nominee.
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  Speaker 3: is now saying, according to Politico, that it is racist
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  Speaker 3: that she has not gotten more support from the Democrat
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  Speaker 3: Party on her race. I would just point out, Byron
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  Speaker 3: Donalds happens to be black and is dominating in the
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  Speaker 3: state of Florida. Maybe Angie Nixon is struggling because she
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  Speaker 3: is a socialist in Florida. not because she is a
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  Speaker 3: black woman in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it also interesting? We don't even have this discussion
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  Speaker 1: really anymore, but that Byron Donalds is black and about
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  Speaker 1: to become the governor of the third or third, fourth
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  Speaker 1: biggest state, third biggest, third biggest state, right? I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to think. It's California, Texas, Florida. Yeah, third biggest state.
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  Speaker 1: So that he's about to become the governor of the
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  Speaker 1: third biggest state in America. Go vote. We're not trying
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  Speaker 1: to get you to not go finish off the job here.
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  Speaker 1: Republicans just always go, yeah, we just want great people
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  Speaker 1: to take these jobs and represent their fellow Americans. Democrats,
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  Speaker 1: it's always, you know, every time, oh, Kamala, she was
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  Speaker 1: going to be the first black female president. Oh, Kamala,
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  Speaker 1: she's a black woman. We elect people in the Republican
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  Speaker 1: Party who are black, who are women, who are Latino,
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  Speaker 1: Marco Rubio is Secretary of State. It doesn't even really...
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  Speaker 1: we're just electing good people. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: It's just such a different mindset. Um, and it's because
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  Speaker 1: Democrats of course play that DEI game all the time. And,
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  Speaker 1: and they view people as like, everyone has to go
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  Speaker 1: into these buckets, these artificial buckets that they create. But
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  Speaker 1: for Republicans, yeah, we just want the best person for
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  Speaker 1: the job, whatever their race, whatever their, whatever their gender. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there are only two genders, so they got to pick one.
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  Speaker 1: But I'd also say clay today is, uh, It's a
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  Speaker 1: day that should be remembered, not just, well, because it's
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  Speaker 1: I believe, was sworn in to the Supreme Court. So
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  Speaker 1: black Americans, one of the greatest living Americans, period. Clarence Thomas.
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  Speaker 1: I think the greatest Supreme Court justice of our lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: I think he actually edges out Scalia for me. So
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  Speaker 1: there you go.
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  Speaker 3: He's certainly going to set an all-time record. Let me
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  Speaker 3: just say this, and I hope he lives to be 110.
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  Speaker 3: We got a lot of old justices. I think the
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  Speaker 3: number one reason that you should be voting candidly in
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  Speaker 3: the midterms is for Senate control because for the next
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  Speaker 3: two years, Trump has the ability to put a new
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court justice on, which would give him four. If
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  Speaker 3: something were to happen in either direction, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people over 70. And I would think that many
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  Speaker 3: of you out there, given what we've seen happen with
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  Speaker 3: politicians of both parties that have gotten over 70, never
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  Speaker 3: know when it's going to happen. Scalia just died in
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  Speaker 3: his sleep. Ruth Bader Ginsburg died right before the election yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I unfortunately think there's a decent chance there will be
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  Speaker 3: a vacancy in the next two years. And if you
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  Speaker 3: want Trump to fill that vacancy, which hopefully somebody be
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  Speaker 3: on there 30, 40 years, Buck, that may be the
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  Speaker 3: most important and consequential decision that he could make over
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  Speaker 3: alone is reason to show up and vote for Republicans
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  Speaker 3: in major Senate races all over the country.
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  Speaker 1: talkbacks uh also want to remind you third hour we
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  Speaker 1: We also have some talkbacks here. Here we go. Um, B,
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  Speaker 1: California listener, listens on KFBK. Play B. Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 4: It's no mystery why Ohio is in the air. Nobody
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  Speaker 4: likes Vivek. He's using the Republican platform. He is not Republican.
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  Speaker 4: And the things he said about Americans, people don't forget
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  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. You know, it's a shame that
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  Speaker 4: Republicans in Ohio are forced to choose between those two candidates.
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  Speaker 1: I will hold my full assessment of all of this
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  Speaker 1: until after the election. That is the best I can
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  Speaker 1: do right now on that.
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  Speaker 3: I said if you– so Florida, things are rolling in
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  Speaker 3: a very positive way. Red state staying red. My biggest
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  Speaker 3: fear right now of any red state, Trump won Ohio
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  Speaker 3: by 11 points, is Ohio for both governor and Senate.
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  Speaker 3: It's the one that is most in danger, I think. Well,
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  Speaker 3: this is what now people are saying.
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  Speaker 1: The real concern is that Vivek's candidacy– not only is
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  Speaker 1: going to go down in absolute flames in a state
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  Speaker 1: we absolutely should win against a weak candidate for the
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  Speaker 1: governor's mansion, but could take the Senate seat down with him.
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  Speaker 1: It's a disaster if that happens. Anyway, hopefully it doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Get out there and vote Ohio. I will share full
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on all this after the election. That's the kindest
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  Speaker 1: thing I can do right now. Go ahead, Clay.
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  Speaker 3: Show up in big numbers, Ohio. Please show up. I
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  Speaker 1: Matt Towery joins us now, pollster and author of The
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  Speaker 1: Honoring of Ignorance, The Seven Mirages Destroying America. Matt, before
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  Speaker 1: we get into the book, and congrats on the book,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, the polls, there are some fake ones,
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  Speaker 1: aren't there? And I really mean that. I don't just
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: mean bad polls. I mean fake, false polls. phony polls.
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  Speaker 5: So guys, I've been polling for 26 years and before
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: that involved politics with Newt Gingrich and other folks. This
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: is my last year, but in the RealClearPolitics average, which
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  Speaker 5: at the top of most pollsters every single cycle, maybe
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: one cycle not, but we're generally considered one of the
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: better pollsters.
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  Speaker 6: Meanwhile, I have to.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Compete with these pollsters who pop up and all of
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: a sudden we find out they don't even poll.
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  Speaker 6: Or today we found.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Out another one was soliciting people who are betting in
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: these markets saying, hey, we can move the averages. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: there is a major, I mean, you talk about sports,
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: this is becoming like sports, guys. And it's just crazy.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, we got a problem in the polling industry.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why you can't believe half these polls you're
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: seeing right now.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm going. I'm watching CNN right now,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: and 22.6 million ballots have now been cast. These are
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: early ballots. At what point, from your perspective, as somebody
• 20:23
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• 20:27
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  Speaker 3: Both Buck and I have already voted. Obviously, you have
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• 20:46
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• 20:50
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  Speaker 3: What are you seeing, if anything, from the 22 million
• 20:57
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• 21:01
  Speaker 6: Well, I think you pegged it yesterday or today.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: You put a post up saying that this is looking
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: more like the 22 midterms, not some giant blue wave.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: What I'm seeing is a silver wave. We have polled
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: along with Rasmussen and Trafalgar, which I think are the
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: two other best pollsters in this country, along with a
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: few others. Emerson College does a good job. There are others,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: but we're all seeing the same thing. And that is the,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: when we ask, are you enthusiastic about voting? Seniors are
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: like 20 points.
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  Speaker 6: Above anybody else.
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  Speaker 5: And now when we, We look at like the early
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: vote in Georgia. Do you know almost 50% of the
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: early vote in Georgia are 65 and over? And that number,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: that percent, when you look at and compare it to
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: how they say they're going to vote, they're voting Republican
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: big time. So I have been dealing with this. So
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: the book, The Honoring of Ignorance, I wrote it originally
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: as a student at Cambridge. I know you can't believe that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: My twang doesn't sound that way, but I went to
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: law school in Florida. So I'm a good guy and
• 22:00
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• 22:02
  Speaker 6: I wrote this book. back 40 years ago.
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  Speaker 5: Got one of those New York literary agents, Anne Elmo,
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  Speaker 5: who was a great lady.
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  Speaker 6: She said she would take it on and she.
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  Speaker 5: Shopped it to all these publishers and they came back
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  Speaker 5: and they said the same thing. They said, we love
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• 22:20
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• 22:22
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• 22:23
  Speaker 6: That's the big question. Well, let me tell you what
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: I think is going on.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: As usual, you have the pile on with the polls
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: that The aggregators, particularly Nate Silver and these other like
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: like folks.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, real clear politics is very fair, but they
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: go in and rate everyone.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: They rate us as being mediocre pollsters, even though Trafalgar,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Insider Advantage, Rasmussen have nailed all of the presidential contests.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: And we're pretty good in the midterms last time, although
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: we went up, went.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: A little bit over with the with the big red wave.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: But they won't run our polls. I mean, they run
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: them in our aggregation. Some of them do. But they
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: try to denigrate us.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: They take little bitty places that poll and people who
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: don't poll very often and put them ahead of us.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: And as a result, you get this impression that every
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: time that there's just this giant blue wave coming and
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: it never materializes. What we're seeing right now, to be
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: to your point, we are seeing most of the states
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: that we're polling compress.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: One point, two points.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: For example, Iowa. Everybody said, oh, boy, that's going Democratic.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Today we have a poll out showing Iowa two points
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  Speaker 5: up Republican. I think trending Republican.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Michigan.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: It's one point now for El Sayed. But think about
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the momentum. Rogers was down six, seven points in all
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: these other polls. All of a sudden, this thing is
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: almost dead even. Texas, dead even in almost everybody's polls.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: So to your point, I see a trend. taking place
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: in which, yes, this is going to be a tight
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: election season. And obviously, whenever you have an incumbent president,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: you have a war going on, you have other issues,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: it's always going to take a little bit off. But
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: I think that these polling mavens, experts, the honoring of
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: ignorance that we see all the time is going to
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: once again blow up in their face. And we're going
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: to have very tight races. We're going to have some
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Republican wins that nobody expects.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Matt, tell us about the book, will you? This is
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: very interesting. Clay and I both are not only authors,
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  Speaker 1: but we actually write books, meaning that we write them,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: which is unique these days, which we like to point out,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: especially in the age of AI when you can basically
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: tell a book. Write a 200-page book for me in
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  Speaker 1: 30 seconds. But tell us what the most important things
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  Speaker 1: are from the book.
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  Speaker 6: Well, so I did this from the perspective.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm an old guy now. I've met eight
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: American presidents over the years. There's many I've sort of
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  Speaker 5: dealt with. Some I haven't, but I've been around most
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: of them. I have an idea of how elections run.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: I've seen elections in terms of polling.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: I was a candidate. I served in the Georgia House
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: of Representatives.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: And we have a mirage machine in this country, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: it's made up of a disingenuous media that tries to
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: omit issues that or important facts, or they want to
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: contort them, or they simply make them up. And that
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: makes up about 75% of all the information Americans get.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Only 25% of American information that gets to the public
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: are conservative in nature. So most of what they get,
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: they get off of Google News, Apple News, they get online,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: but it's fed from these liberal organizations. And then you
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: have fact checkers. I mean, guys, I had a fact checker, Snopes, Now,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: we polled for ABC affiliates, NBC affiliates, all of the
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Fox owned and operated affiliates. I've been doing affiliates, rather.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: I've been doing Sean Hannity's polling for years. When Snopes
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: didn't like one of my polls last year, they wrote
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: something that said the following. We couldn't find anything about
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: them on their website. We don't know if they have
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: a physical office and we have no idea if they're credible. Well,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: you could have Googled it or gone to RealClearPolitics to
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: see we've been around longer than most pollsters and that
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: we poll for everybody. So when you have fact checkers
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: making up stories, or in my opinion, when you have
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: the media pushing a certain agenda and when you don't
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: have a countervailing force because there's a lot of conservative media,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: but it's not enough to fight these guys every day,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: then the country gets brainwashed. That mirage machine goes into work.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: The pollsters that they like and that they promote and
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: that they will repeat on TV are Those pollsters come
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: out and say, oh, yes, that's absolutely right. Trump's unpopular.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: The war is unpopular. Everybody's upset about gas prices. They
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: put it in everybody's minds. And then the fact checkers say, oh, yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: that fact is right. And when you take all of
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: that together, what Republicans and conservatives are fighting against is
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: just unbelievable. And that's what I write about. I go
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: through all of the things that they've said about Trump. Trump,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: the xenophobe, Trump, the racist, Trump, the warmonger. You go,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: you name it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: I went through it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: And I show where each time the media omitted issues,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: they presented it the wrong way, they twisted things. And
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: then in that milieu that they create, the American people
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: are brainwashed into thinking that Trump's bad, conservatives are bad,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Republicans are bad, they're going to lose. And we're seeing
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: all this stuff happen again right now. We have a
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: great economy going on other than one thing, the gas pump.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Inflation is half of what it was under Joe Biden
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: at this time when he was running during when they
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: were having the midterms. I mean, it was seven, almost
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: eight percent under Joe Biden. It's three point seven percent
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: under Trump. We have the lowest unemployment since the 1960s.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Personal income is up. Now, I do wish the Republicans
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: had had advertised this more. And I have a chapter
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: in the book at the end that says if Republicans
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: are really in a win down the road, they've got
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: to start running ads during June and May and July,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: educating the public and letting them know the truth that
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: these media mirage machines will not let them hear about.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: So that's why we always having to fight like hell
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: in the last two weeks to try to win an election.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: But that is the story. It's how it affects a
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: public opinion. I talk about how the polling raiders and
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: mavens like Nate Silver and the old 538, they try
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: every way in the world to take the pollsters who
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: are the most accurate because we happen to come from
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Republican backgrounds and decide that we're the worst pollsters.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: And they don't want to run our polls. They want
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: to run.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: They don't want to run our polls because we're the
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: best pollsters and we're right. And it happens to show
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  Speaker 5: Republicans doing well.
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  Speaker 6: Just like this.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry to cut you off in this book. Sounds fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: And this is awesome conversation. Buck and I are both
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  Speaker 3: data nerds. The book, by the way, is I want
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• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the seven mirages, the seven mirages destroying America. Tell me
• 28:47
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  Speaker 5: Well, the first thing we should know is that there
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: was no such thing as filibuster. I mean, the Constitution,
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  Speaker 6: It just says electors.
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  Speaker 5: after several cycles. And it basically became a vehicle in
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  Speaker 6: A grave mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Very well said. Really well said. Matt Tower, everybody, author
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 8: mother in every state, especially Nebraska.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds crazy. I know this is true. It's outrageous, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. Guys in the so-called Manosphere podcast stuff
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: will talk about this. They're right. This is a big problem.
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  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be this way.
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  Speaker 3: It's broken based on history, and it now overwhelmingly favors women,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: which is why I would say women initiate 80% of
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: divorces because the law favors them. They get more money
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: than they should. based in just being fair. Josh in Wisconsin,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: News Talk 1130 WISN.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm worried about Texas, Clay. I don't
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: know if Paxton can do it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of heat against him.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Just my thoughts.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: I'd like to hear what you're thinking.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Love the show.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, what about me, Josh? Paxton's going to win.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Paxton's going to do it. Is it Wendy in Texas
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: who called in? I hope that Josh heard that enthusiasm.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: We need a lot of Texans to show up. Patricia
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: in Arizona. News Talk 790 KNST.
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  Speaker 9: As a divorced woman in that anomaly, the men initiated class.
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  Speaker 9: I can tell you this. Most of these women, they
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: marry to change and mold that man into the person
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: they want. And the men marry the women so that
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: things stay the same. Neither of those is right, but
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: that's my take.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: That's actually really astute, Buck. Most men, if they could
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: make their wife the exact same on that day forever,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: they would be very happy with it. Most women would
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: be terrified if their husband was going to be the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: same way that he is forever on the marriage. That's
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: actually kind of an interesting perspective.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, you and I, we get wiser and sexier
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and more desirable with each passing year. Guys, you know
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: how it is. We just age like fine wines.