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The Bolt Report | 28 November · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: It's the Vault Report.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the Vault Report. I'm Steve Price,
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Speaker 2: filling in for Andrew, who'll be back with you next week,
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Speaker 2: and of course I'll be with you at six Eastern
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Speaker 2: daylight time tomorrow with my Friday night program now coming
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Speaker 2: up on the Bolt Report tonight. Well, the political year
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Speaker 2: might be over, might not be settled yet on an
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Speaker 2: extension maybe into Canberra tomorrow with the Senate today is
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Speaker 2: supposed to be the last sitting day. Well they say
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Speaker 2: it is far from over though a twenty five election looming.
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Speaker 2: The government rammed all sorts of legislation through this week.
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Speaker 2: So how did the two sides shape up for the
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Speaker 2: next year. We'll catch up with the Australian Financial reviews
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Speaker 2: Phil Kouri. Internationally, twenty twenty four ends with a cease
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Speaker 2: fire between Israel and Hezbalah, but the Gaza war grinds on,
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Speaker 2: and so does that conflict in Ukraine and Rush. I'm
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Speaker 2: very happy to say I'll be joined by General Jack Keane,
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Speaker 2: a Bolt regular, on what these conflicts will look like
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Speaker 2: under the new president, Donald Trump and Blackout. Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: was up to his old tricks today dismissing the alarming
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Speaker 2: energy warnings in Sydney yesterday when the temperatures well, they
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Speaker 2: only reached the high to mid thirties. I will be
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Speaker 2: joined by the Nationals. Barnaby Joyce, he's with us up
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Speaker 2: first and with our panel. The madness of a woke
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Speaker 2: left state government refusing to intervene as a convicted murderer
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Speaker 2: who stabbed to death a housemte in front of her
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Speaker 2: four year old child over a stolen fifty dollars note
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Speaker 2: is being allowed to access out of jail IVF treatment.
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Speaker 2: I kid you not, but first two days out from
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Speaker 2: the start of summer and it seems we've all lost
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Speaker 2: our collective minds. If yesterday's clickbait hysteria around temperature and
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Speaker 2: energy are anything to go by, I'll talk to Barnaby
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Speaker 2: Joyce as I said about this shortly, this so called
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Speaker 2: heat wave.
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Speaker 3: Let's deal with a few facts. First.
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Speaker 2: In Sydney's western suburbs, all the way out to Penrith
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Speaker 2: at the foot of the Blue Mountains, yesterday the temperature
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Speaker 2: did not top forty degrees. I think Penrith might have
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Speaker 2: gotten to thirty nine if they were lucky. Now, given
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Speaker 2: it's November. That's not particularly unusual. But yesterday morning we
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Speaker 2: had the normally sensible New South Wales Premier Christopher Mins
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Speaker 2: and his Energy minister telling the people of Western Sydney
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Speaker 2: to refrain from using washing machines, air conditioners, pool filters
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Speaker 2: and clothes dryers for a five hour period between three
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Speaker 2: in the afternoon and eight pm in the evening. That
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Speaker 2: was to avoid blackouts. We're top now, this, folks, is
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four in Australia's equal biggest city, a population
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Speaker 2: of over five million people, on a day when the
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Speaker 2: bulk of the metropolitan area did not record a temperature
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Speaker 2: over thirty three degrees. Now what madness are we slowly
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Speaker 2: sleepwalking into here in a nation with abundant supplies of
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Speaker 2: coal and gas and uranium, we are deliberately signing a
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Speaker 2: national suicide note to supposedly save the planet from global warming.
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Speaker 2: We are crazy. Let me repeat thirty three degrees. Don't
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Speaker 2: put on your washing machine until it gets dark. This
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Speaker 2: two days from summer and the hot weather, the really
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Speaker 2: hot weather is still months away. Here again was Premier
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Speaker 2: Min's and Penny Sharp yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Solar production in the energy market starts to come off
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Speaker 4: from three pm at exactly the same time as people
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Speaker 4: return home from work. So if you can not run
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Speaker 4: your pool filter, not run your dish washer, not run
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Speaker 4: your washing machine this afternoon between three and eight, you'll
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Speaker 4: help the grid.
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Speaker 5: If you're not in a room, you don't need to
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Speaker 5: have the light on. And if you can do the
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Speaker 5: non essential electricity use wait until they use the dishwasher
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Speaker 5: until after eight tonight. If you can hold on too
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Speaker 5: that washing, to do it overnight or do it in
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Speaker 5: the morning. That's what we're asking people to do. Every
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Speaker 5: little bit helps.
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Speaker 3: This is like some bad comedy series.
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Speaker 2: Now I should point out before I go any further
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Speaker 2: to those New South Wales and federal politicians like Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: that just this week in Melbourne on Tuesday, it did
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Speaker 2: indeed get to thirty eight to forty degrees. No paniced
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Speaker 2: MPs running around like headless choks, screaming turn off the coolers.
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Speaker 2: Because I hope you're listening, Chris. At the peak of
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Speaker 2: the heat, Melbourne was relying for eighty percent of its
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Speaker 2: electricity from wait for it, brown coal from the La
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Speaker 2: Trobe Valley from a coal fired power station another fifteen percent,
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Speaker 2: according to APPS, that measure this stuff was coming from gas.
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Speaker 2: Melbourne was covered in a thick cloud of fog and
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Speaker 2: there was no wind. There was also no warning of blackouts.
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Speaker 2: Fast forward today and Energy and Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: freshback from COP twenty nine in Baku, turned up on
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Speaker 2: Sky for a back and forward without Laura Jays. Laura
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Speaker 2: made him look stupid. He started the interview with a
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Speaker 2: distortion around yesterday's weather.
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Speaker 6: What we saw yesterday in New South Wales. We's something
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Speaker 6: that does happen from time to time and our energy grid,
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Speaker 6: which is very hot conditions which obviously under any circumstances
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Speaker 6: sees electricity years.
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Speaker 3: Go up and quite rightly.
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Speaker 6: And then we had five units of fossil fuels out
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Speaker 6: of action, three of which we knew about, two of
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Speaker 6: which were breakdowns at very short notice, and that did
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Speaker 6: put pressure on the grid. This is about what I've
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Speaker 6: been saying for some time, Laura, that the biggest threat
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Speaker 6: to reliability in our energy system is coal fire powerstations,
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Speaker 6: which aren't getting any younger, and like all of us,
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Speaker 6: as they get older, they get that little bit less
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Speaker 6: reliable every day.
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Speaker 2: He's blaming the Coulifired POWERstation. It wasn't very hot, Griz.
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Speaker 2: It never got to forty. It could not be classified
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Speaker 2: as hot or a heat wave. Now, Laura, to a credit,
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Speaker 2: pushed him on households being told to turn off those appliances,
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Speaker 2: and he proceeded to educate us all on what the
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Speaker 2: energy regulator does on days like yesterday.
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Speaker 6: There are methods and weapons that a EMO has always
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Speaker 6: had at its disposal, which has used under governments of
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Speaker 6: all persuasions, like a thing called the root, which is
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Speaker 6: where big industrial users who sign up for that program,
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Speaker 6: who know that they're part of that program, can turn
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Speaker 6: down their energy use as part of that arrangement that
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Speaker 6: I have with AEMO, big aluminium smelters and things like that.
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Speaker 6: That is not what that's not what I would call
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Speaker 6: widespread demand measurement or measures as you would put them.
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Speaker 6: But it is part of the management that our EMO
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Speaker 6: has always had and will continue to have, that will
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Speaker 6: be put into place on those unusual circumstances where things
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Speaker 6: are a bit tighter than normal.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, a spring day of low thirties temperatures and you're
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Speaker 2: running a business that heavy relies on electricity, and his
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Speaker 2: solution shut down. Really, but don't worry if you're watching
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Speaker 2: us in regional Australia where much of the country lives
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Speaker 2: with thirty five degree and above temperatures for the next
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Speaker 2: four months every day. The solution, according to him, it's
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Speaker 2: on the way.
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Speaker 6: Yes, we're seeing col fire power being very unreliable. That
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Speaker 6: means we need to bring on the new investment. Figures
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Speaker 6: I'm releasing today show that this year is a record year,
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Speaker 6: biggest ever on record for renewable energy investment. We've seen
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Speaker 6: more investment in the last quarter than we did in
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Speaker 6: all of last year. We've got a pipeline of investment
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Speaker 6: which is equal in size to two thirds of our
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Speaker 6: national energy market. So the new investment is coming.
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Speaker 3: Please now.
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Speaker 2: Bowen refused to point refuse, point blank to admit Labour's
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars energy price drop promise
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Speaker 2: made back in twenty twenty two. Remember that was a
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Speaker 2: broken promise and it continues. He continues his blind rush
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Speaker 2: to full reliance on renewable energy. The bloke is delusional.
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Speaker 2: The problem though, for all of us, is it's like
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Speaker 2: telling a half truth and sticking to it, and there
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Speaker 2: comes a time where you can't go back. You're so
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Speaker 2: so deep you dig deeper and deeper and deeper. You
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Speaker 2: convince yourself you are invincible as he has and get
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Speaker 2: to a point where well, i might as well jump
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Speaker 2: off the cliff because I'm sure I can survive the
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Speaker 2: four folks.
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Speaker 3: That's where we are at.
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Speaker 2: Well, joining me now is from a Deputy Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and Shadow Veteran Affairs at Minister Barnaby Joyce. After a
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Speaker 2: very busy day in Camber. I'll get to energy and
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Speaker 2: a sect Barnaby. But Australians watching this circus today, you
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Speaker 2: know more than thirty bills ram through the Senate. No
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Speaker 2: one in the country would run a business like that.
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Speaker 3: Why the rush?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well.
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Speaker 7: They're putting bill through rather than making hamburgers. Maygine, you've
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Speaker 7: got to eat them. We got the last minute. We've
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Speaker 7: got to bang out thirty seven hamburgers and see if
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Speaker 7: you on a pineapples and betroot everywhere. No the title
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Speaker 7: mes no, no, they're eating. But this whole chaotic so
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Speaker 7: finale it just reeks of impending election and sets a
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Speaker 7: scene for Carson disaster. He had the thousand businesses in
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Speaker 7: Sydney this morning without power. You've got people telling you
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Speaker 7: to turn off your air conditions because you don't have power,
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Speaker 7: got swindles, factory factories rolling out, We've got bills coming
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Speaker 7: out of Cuboo. I mean, it's just anyway, it is
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Speaker 7: what it is, and you sit and smile and go
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Speaker 7: through in years clippings and go home and make more
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Speaker 7: sense out of the cattle and the paddock.
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Speaker 3: To be quite front, well.
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Speaker 2: The thing is that there's no genuine debate about these
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Speaker 2: things in the Senate, which is what the Senate is
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Speaker 2: supposed to be there for. But let's just put that
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Speaker 2: to one side. I want to ask you what you
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Speaker 2: mentioned there the panic in Sydney yesterday over what turned
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Speaker 2: out to be a day in the mid thirties. What's
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Speaker 2: the hottest day you've had on the farm.
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Speaker 7: You know, when I lived at Charliville in western Queensland,
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Speaker 7: I could come in, I could come in for at
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Speaker 7: bunch from the office. I could go put on the washing,
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Speaker 7: make smoke, o, go hang out the washing, go back,
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Speaker 7: wash up the plates, go back to out to the
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Speaker 7: washing line, take dry clothes off. And you had fortnights
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Speaker 7: in the forties. I'm serious, fortnights in the forties. And
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Speaker 7: the idea that we get between thirty five and forty
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Speaker 7: and everyone's screaming climate change, climate changed, calamity Jane, build
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Speaker 7: some swindle factories. Oh, the world's going to come to
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Speaker 7: an end. It's just a ruse to cover up the
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Speaker 7: fact that you've completed, you've made an absolute debarkle out
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Speaker 7: of your power grid. That was not, ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 7: a heat wave. I'm sorry to say that was a
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Speaker 7: sunny day at the beach.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to take you through this. We had
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Speaker 2: a day in Melbourne this week and I know you've
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Speaker 2: been trapped in canber and now you're going to be
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Speaker 2: releasing you and finally get out of there. But in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne this week, we had a day where it was
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Speaker 2: around thirty seven thirty eight degrees. Melbourne was covered in
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Speaker 2: this sort of weird, cloudy, foggy stuff. The airport was
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Speaker 2: down to one run way, there was no wind, no sunshine.
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Speaker 2: And guess what, Cole was delivering eighty percent of the
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Speaker 2: electricity and I think the other fifteen percent was coming
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Speaker 2: from gas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I just saw a graph not that long ago that
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Speaker 7: that was immediate and one percent of your energy was
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Speaker 7: coming from the swindle factories, from the wind house we
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Speaker 7: keep doing it, and Bowen looks you straight in the
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Speaker 7: eye and says, your power bell is going down, which
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Speaker 7: is almost it's bizarre, it's almost it's almost a ticket
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Speaker 7: to an asylum. It's just completely and utterly nonsensical. And
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Speaker 7: he says, even though it's a complete disaster, the path
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Speaker 7: we're on a complete correlation between swindle factories, solar panels
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Speaker 7: and your power bell going through the roof and manufacturing leaving,
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Speaker 7: We're going to do more and somehow, magically, magically in
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Speaker 7: the Land of the Pixies, in the Wizard of Oz
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Speaker 7: with the flying monkeys, things will turn around and all
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Speaker 7: of a sudden the power will work and be like Nirvana.
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Speaker 7: It's just as we all know. It's just total and
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Speaker 7: utter tripe. And when it doesn't work, they just go
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Speaker 7: climate change. Any debt, you know, if the horse didn't
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Speaker 7: come in on the weekend, they go climate change. Whyfe
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Speaker 7: got angry with me the other day? Climate change car
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Speaker 7: broke down? Climate change.
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Speaker 2: I've only ever had the chance to speak to Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen one on one off here in a non interview situation.
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Speaker 2: He ever thought about pulling him aside gently and saying,
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Speaker 2: can we just sit down and have a chat about this, mate,
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Speaker 2: because I think what you're doing is all a load
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Speaker 2: of bull dust and I just want you to man
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Speaker 2: the man, explain to me. I mean it's like a
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Speaker 2: conversation at a bar and the pub explain to me,
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Speaker 2: why you think this we have to do this' We.
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Speaker 7: Like saying, if you saw Jim Jones before he went
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Speaker 7: off to that island, why you just pull them across
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Speaker 7: at the bar and sag it ate him or the
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Speaker 7: Bargua and rash Niche and any other cult follow and
12:53
Speaker 7: just bring them aside and say, mate, your cult is
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Speaker 7: bapoo crazy, right, It's destroyed the joint. It doesn't work.
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Speaker 7: People are becoming poorer, pensions have been put.
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Speaker 3: Out of their house.
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Speaker 7: It's instructured into the price of food, which is going
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Speaker 7: through the roof. I mean, people in a cult don't
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Speaker 7: believe they're in a cult. The people in a cult
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Speaker 7: think that what they say is just self evident genius.
13:18
Speaker 7: I mean, so now I don't think I could and
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Speaker 7: I know you get this, you get an automaton reply.
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Speaker 7: I think there are certainly people in the Labor Party
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Speaker 7: in the quieter moments when they don't have to follow
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Speaker 7: the lines which we all have to do, which we
13:30
Speaker 7: all have to do. They would say a cost for rubbish,
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Speaker 7: total nutter garbage. But you know there are the lines,
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Speaker 7: and we've got to parrot them out. But you know
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Speaker 7: it's but with Chris no, I really I don't think
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Speaker 7: that's possible. I think he's he's he's he's drunk the
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Speaker 7: kool aid folks, and he's on his way with the
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Speaker 7: green glasses on to deliver you absolute and utter destitution.
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Speaker 7: And you're the ones who are going to have to
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Speaker 7: pull him up because we're not only lucked down here.
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Speaker 2: Dare to dream you either you know, in March or
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Speaker 2: win in May, whenever the election is, and you've got
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Speaker 2: a rescue plan. But I think you know it's a
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Speaker 2: pretty simple rescue plan, isn't it. Australia's got a lot
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Speaker 2: of coal, it's got a lot of gas, it's got
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Speaker 2: not much hydro, it's got uranium, so we can do
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Speaker 2: nu clear, Why don't we just do everything we've got
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Speaker 2: and get our natural advantage in the world. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's not rocket science.
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Speaker 4: Is it.
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Speaker 7: You have a look today, well, in excess of sixty
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Speaker 7: percent of the electricities come from those evil Qualifi Power stations,
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Speaker 7: which they seriously even though we just think about it.
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Speaker 7: So you had one percent, one part of day was
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Speaker 7: coming from your swindle factories, you win turbines, which they
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Speaker 7: are caught. They're just littering the landscape with its secret
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Speaker 7: agreements capacity investment schemes. I had to ask them what
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Speaker 7: they're actually getting for producing nothing, But they're getting a
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Speaker 7: bucket load of your money. And you know, and so
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Speaker 7: that with sixty to eighty percent during today coming from
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Speaker 7: Qualifi Power, you know what they're going to do. Just
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Speaker 7: think about it. You're going to close them down.
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Speaker 3: It's just frightening unbelievable. Just for you go.
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Speaker 2: You would have sat in the over the years in
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Speaker 2: cabinet with Simon Birmingham.
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Speaker 3: He's announced he's retiring today.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you haven't always agreed with him, but his career,
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Speaker 2: what do you make of it?
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Speaker 7: Well tell let all you do the funny line in
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Speaker 7: with my discussion with Simon. Everybody says something remarkable happened
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Speaker 7: today that Barnaby and Simon agreed with one another. But
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Speaker 7: I actually get him very well. With Burmo as you
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Speaker 7: know him affectionally, and I've known Burmo before. He was
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Speaker 7: in before us in politics. I went to the United
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Speaker 7: States with Burmo, so I know him very well. He's
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Speaker 7: a very very decent human being. Yes, we have a
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Speaker 7: different view on politics. I'm from the from the right,
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Speaker 7: and let's just say Burmo is not from the right
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Speaker 7: where I'm from. But I have absolute respect for him,
15:47
Speaker 7: and I think he's a great fella and he's done
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Speaker 7: a great job for his nation and I wish him
15:51
Speaker 7: all the very very best. Worries me a bit because
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Speaker 7: I actually arrived in the Senate before Burmo and I
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Speaker 7: said to him, I was texting just a second ago.
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Speaker 7: I said, I said, I won't profanity. What the hell
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Speaker 7: are you doing, Burmo? I think I'm the last one left, mate.
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Speaker 2: Will you enjoy your break from Parliament, back on the
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Speaker 2: farm and in the electorate. Thanks for helping us out tonight, Barnaby.
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Speaker 7: Doctor manual work see Ladder Well.
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Speaker 2: As we have just heard from Barnaby Joyce, any ending
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Speaker 2: of a parliamentary year is pretty frantic, but as Barnaby
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Speaker 2: said today, was particularly frantic in Canberra. Joining me now,
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Speaker 2: The Australian Financial Reviews political editor Phil.
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Speaker 3: Kouri, Why the mad Rushfielder? How do we eat? It
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Speaker 3: do all this stuff.
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Speaker 8: It's a good question, Steve.
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Speaker 9: I can't remember a day quite like this where thirty
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Speaker 9: plus bills have just gone through in one day. I mean,
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Speaker 9: I think the last time we were here a few
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Speaker 9: weeks ago, the Senate past one bill in two weeks.
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Speaker 9: So I think part of it's on the government. Part
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Speaker 9: of it's also on the Senate. It tends not to
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Speaker 9: do a lot until it has to. But look at
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Speaker 9: having said that, the government's got pretty much got what
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Speaker 9: it wanted. I mean most of the bill today, with
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Speaker 9: what we call rats and my stuff, there was sort
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Speaker 9: of half a dozen of significance, but the rest of
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Speaker 9: it was stuff that was largely uncontentious. But look, I
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Speaker 9: just you know, I think from the government's point of view,
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Speaker 9: it's probably helped them a bit, certainly lifted their spirits.
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Speaker 9: Good way to finish the parliamentary year by getting most
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Speaker 9: of your agenda through. But you know, I'm sure it
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Speaker 9: did look pretty scrappy out there, certainly this morning it
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Speaker 9: did for anyone who was bothering to pay attention.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess politically, Phil, I mean, what it does
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Speaker 2: at least give them is at the start of next
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Speaker 2: year is something to sell. I mean when you talk
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Speaker 2: about the social media change, which I believe was on
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Speaker 2: that Gillatine bill, you've got those immigration changes as well,
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Speaker 2: so they can start to put a message out next
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Speaker 2: to you saying, look, you know the the Coalition always
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Speaker 2: says we're week on boorders and immigration. Well we've put
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Speaker 2: this bill through. We're not weak on that politically. Is
17:53
Speaker 2: that the advantage they've got by doing that all together
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Speaker 2: in one go, Da.
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Speaker 8: Well, certainly, I mean there was this, there was of use.
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Speaker 9: If they didn't get some of the stuff up, the
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Speaker 9: signature stuff like the housing bills and the Future Made
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Speaker 9: in Australia, then they'd go to the election and beat
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Speaker 9: the Greens and the Coalition on the head and saying
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Speaker 9: look they block these vital things. But I suspect, as
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Speaker 9: you said there, I expect their preference to get them
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Speaker 9: through so they could say they're.
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Speaker 8: Actually doing them. Rather they still want to do them
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Speaker 8: because it does hurt a government.
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Speaker 9: Not to be able to get us legislation through. So definitely, look,
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Speaker 9: whether I'm pretty sure we'll be back probably for a
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Speaker 9: couple of weeks next year in February, I don't think
18:30
Speaker 9: we'll be here much beyond that before we go to
18:33
Speaker 9: the polls, but certainly allows them to spend over summer,
18:37
Speaker 9: you know, the week's over summer to say, look at
18:39
Speaker 9: all the things we have done and are about to do,
18:41
Speaker 9: and it's you know, it's not just a wish list now,
18:43
Speaker 9: it's actually concrete.
18:45
Speaker 8: So yeah, I look, I bumped into the Prime Minister
18:48
Speaker 8: just touch a.
18:49
Speaker 1: Question time today.
18:50
Speaker 9: It was pretty happy happy stuffs any I.
18:54
Speaker 2: Mean a lot of it is so a lot of
18:56
Speaker 2: it is social issues, but we know cost of life
19:00
Speaker 2: is still going to be the biggest issue. You read
19:02
Speaker 2: the quotes from Jerry Harvey, who runs Harvey Norman where
19:05
Speaker 2: people are going buying TVs and toasters. He says, we're
19:10
Speaker 2: headed to a big black hole of debt. If you
19:13
Speaker 2: were Jim Chalmers or Anthony Albanesi, that would not be
19:17
Speaker 2: helpful with it.
19:20
Speaker 8: No, it's not, and we sort of tend to forget that.
19:23
Speaker 9: I think one of the problems with the pandemic, Steve
19:25
Speaker 9: is we lost our fear of debt and deficit in
19:27
Speaker 9: this country and you know the which we had a
19:31
Speaker 9: healthy respect for it from the Howard years onwards.
19:35
Speaker 8: And you know, the government talks about the two surpluses.
19:38
Speaker 9: They delivered, which they did do, but that was last
19:40
Speaker 9: financial year in the year before, and as of now
19:43
Speaker 9: we're back in deficit, and we're back in deficit big time,
19:46
Speaker 9: and we're going to be that way for the next decade.
19:48
Speaker 9: And I suspect and it sort of underpins my theory
19:52
Speaker 9: I've had probably since the May budget. That's why we
19:55
Speaker 9: won't do another budget before the next election. The government's
19:59
Speaker 9: penciled one in for March the twenty fifth, which is early,
20:03
Speaker 9: and then they would call an election after that for May.
20:05
Speaker 8: I would be very surprised if they do that.
20:07
Speaker 9: I suspect they'll call the election just after the way
20:10
Speaker 9: election May in March, and then we'll be going to
20:13
Speaker 9: the polls around April twelve.
20:15
Speaker 8: That's my theory, because.
20:16
Speaker 9: Why would you want to do another Budget's just going
20:18
Speaker 9: to be hanging a land and know this massive, massive,
20:21
Speaker 9: sort of black hole. And don't forget they're going to
20:24
Speaker 9: spend a bit of day between now an election day.
20:26
Speaker 9: They've been talking about introducing universal child care and if
20:29
Speaker 9: that's not handled propertly, that's another end to us in
20:32
Speaker 9: the making, you know, and you're going to lay that
20:34
Speaker 9: into it. It's all going to be borrowed money. You know,
20:37
Speaker 9: we've done the student debt thing the other week, that
20:39
Speaker 9: they're not going to be worried about spending day to
20:41
Speaker 9: try and buy votes, especially as they're in a bit
20:44
Speaker 9: of strife in the poll. So yeah, I'm not sure
20:47
Speaker 9: that we'll see another budget. It'd be a pretty desperate
20:50
Speaker 9: government if they had to go to another budget.
20:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at it does seem to be falling in
20:55
Speaker 2: the coalitions. Or just last week we had a suggesting
21:00
Speaker 2: living standards have not fallen as fast as they have
21:04
Speaker 2: during Labour's term in office since the nineteen fifties. Then yesterday,
21:08
Speaker 2: as you just mentioned, their piel forty two billion dollar
21:12
Speaker 2: turnaround in the budget. From those surpluses to these deficits,
21:16
Speaker 2: it's a pretty simple argument for the other mob to
21:18
Speaker 2: make that this that Labour still can't handle money.
21:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:24
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's always been a perceived weakness the coalition.
21:28
Speaker 9: If you look at the pole Stephen, including the one
21:30
Speaker 9: we do in the financial review, the Freshwater Group, the
21:34
Speaker 9: coalition now has double.
21:36
Speaker 8: Digit leads on labor.
21:37
Speaker 9: Of all these issues, of you which partied you to
21:40
Speaker 9: prefer to manage these issues, and if its economic management
21:43
Speaker 9: cost of living Dunton sort of twelve to fifteen, eighteen
21:46
Speaker 9: points ahead on a lot of these things. So look,
21:49
Speaker 9: it's not a unique problem to the Australian government, as
21:52
Speaker 9: we sort of learned overseas last week with a PM.
21:55
Speaker 9: There are all these governments sitting around of the G
21:57
Speaker 9: twenty and APEX and they're all suffering the scourge of
22:00
Speaker 9: incumbency as we're calling it, you know, because everyone's inflation
22:03
Speaker 9: just kills governments before your factor in anything else. And yeah,
22:08
Speaker 9: they have done quite a bit this goverment in terms
22:10
Speaker 9: of trying to help. But you ask people out on
22:13
Speaker 9: the street and they'll probably tell you they haven't done
22:14
Speaker 9: anything that they've forgotten about the tax cuts and the
22:16
Speaker 9: power bill discounts and all those sorts of things. That's
22:19
Speaker 9: a bit of a mug's game being in government at
22:20
Speaker 9: the moment, and I think that's before you even factor in,
22:23
Speaker 9: you know, whether you're a laborer or a liberal government.
22:26
Speaker 2: Look forward to your endy year summer in the finn
22:27
Speaker 2: Review tomorrow, Phil, Thanks for your help today, appreciate it, Steeve.
22:32
Speaker 7: So you.
22:34
Speaker 2: Well, we'll go international after the break and ask the
22:36
Speaker 2: question will the israel Hess Bala cease fire. Will it
22:40
Speaker 2: actually stay in place? I'm pleased to say, will be
22:42
Speaker 2: joined by bolt regular General Jack King. Welcome back to
22:50
Speaker 2: the price in for Andrew. Andrew back tomorrow night. Now
22:53
Speaker 2: the truth between Israel.
22:54
Speaker 3: And Hesba, as we know has started. It is underway better.
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Speaker 2: I think the world quite rightly is asking the question
23:01
Speaker 2: how long will it last? Now? Yesterday it was confirmed
23:04
Speaker 2: both sides had agreed to this sixty day cease fire.
23:08
Speaker 2: The agreement is now going to be overseen by the
23:10
Speaker 2: United States and the French, and it'll see Israel with
23:13
Speaker 2: draw troops over that period of sixty days. I've seen
23:17
Speaker 2: some vision today of what's happening on the ground. It
23:19
Speaker 2: seems to be pretty calm. But someone who will be
23:22
Speaker 2: able to run his eye over this is General Jack Keen,
23:24
Speaker 2: who of course is a regular here with Andrew Weice,
23:27
Speaker 2: chief of Staff of the US Army at one point
23:30
Speaker 2: and four star general, and I really enjoyed talking to him.
23:33
Speaker 2: He's now the chairman of the Institute for the Study
23:36
Speaker 2: of War. General, good to see you again. Are you
23:39
Speaker 2: optimistic this will hold?
23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I think it has a fair chance to it.
23:44
Speaker 1: For a couple of reasons. O one. Is Israel has
23:49
Speaker 1: had a.
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Speaker 10: Very limited objective here, you know, other like in Gaza,
23:53
Speaker 10: which was defeat Hamas and destroy as many of the
23:55
Speaker 10: fighters as possible, and they've defeated him and they're winding
23:59
Speaker 10: that down now.
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Speaker 1: The objective here was limited.
24:02
Speaker 10: It really was the clear Hesbeler out of the southern
24:05
Speaker 10: part of Lebanon, and also that the Hesbela would not
24:09
Speaker 10: fire into northern Israel. There was no thought that they
24:13
Speaker 10: would go in and try to defeat the entire Hesbeler organization.
24:17
Speaker 10: But to achieve this's in they really got a hole
24:20
Speaker 10: of Hesbela in terms of breaking their will. They decapitated
24:24
Speaker 10: their leadership for weeks, as we've all seen, they destroyed
24:28
Speaker 10: sixty seventy percent of their rockets and missile arsenal and
24:32
Speaker 10: focused on primarily ballistic long range missiles. And then they
24:38
Speaker 10: drove the Hesbela out of the southern part of Lebanon
24:43
Speaker 10: and destroyed all the infrastructure. That's what forced Hesbela to
24:48
Speaker 10: the negotiating table. And then one other key thing, Steve,
24:53
Speaker 10: is that the Iranians told Hesbela take the deal. And
24:58
Speaker 10: that is really indicative of what I've been saying for
25:01
Speaker 10: some time the Iranians are back on their heels.
25:05
Speaker 1: What has happened to hamas a very.
25:08
Speaker 10: Significant, significant UH proxy that they have largely defeated as
25:14
Speaker 10: a result of October seventh, Hezeloo defeated in terms of
25:17
Speaker 10: the objectives it was trying to achieve. And even in
25:20
Speaker 10: the Iranians themselves steve they've lost their air defense systems.
25:24
Speaker 10: The Israeli stripped away in their last attack, and they're
25:27
Speaker 10: sitting near Nagan as a result of that somewhat defensive defensiveness,
25:33
Speaker 10: defenseless in terms of a potential air campaign against them,
25:37
Speaker 10: and look at they haven't reattacked the Israelis. I think
25:41
Speaker 10: the Israelis have deterred Iran in a way that we
25:46
Speaker 10: have not seen since Iran has become a power in
25:50
Speaker 10: the Middle East.
25:53
Speaker 2: Jackie, not better than anyone. It just takes one small
25:58
Speaker 2: mistike if you like someone as a missile where they
26:02
Speaker 2: weren't supposed to, or somebody else within Lebanon itself blows
26:07
Speaker 2: someone up in a suicide bomb. I mean, these are
26:10
Speaker 2: the things that really overall command has no control over,
26:14
Speaker 2: and I guess the world's just going to keep its
26:16
Speaker 2: fingers crossed them, particularly the Israelis are going to move
26:18
Speaker 2: back into that residential area.
26:20
Speaker 3: Just hope doesn't happen.
26:23
Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, they put in this deal something that was interesting,
26:26
Speaker 10: and hasbel I really thought against it for some time.
26:30
Speaker 10: It's really what held up the agreement, and that is
26:35
Speaker 10: Israelis want to have as part of the agreement. If
26:40
Speaker 10: Hasbela violates it then comes south once again, they have
26:45
Speaker 10: the authority to attack immediately. Well, who's supposed to prevent
26:50
Speaker 10: that from happening are the Lebanese army who will be
26:55
Speaker 10: occupying the south now listen, so our audience understands. There
27:00
Speaker 10: was a resolution seventeen oh one by the UN after
27:03
Speaker 10: the two thousand and six war ended in Lebanon with
27:06
Speaker 10: the Israelis and to enforce that peace. Enforcers have been
27:10
Speaker 10: in Lebanon all of these years since then, and during
27:14
Speaker 10: this military incursion has taken place, and obviously they failed
27:19
Speaker 10: to stop Hesbla from coming south. The Israelis are very
27:22
Speaker 10: suspicious whether the Lebanese army will be able to stop
27:27
Speaker 10: Hesbla if they really want to come south, and that
27:30
Speaker 10: is why they had this provision to attack immediately and
27:34
Speaker 10: stop any kind of incursion, however small or However, large.
27:40
Speaker 2: Since we spoked last Obviously, Donald Trump won the election.
27:43
Speaker 2: He's going to be inaugurated come January. He's now announced
27:47
Speaker 2: he's going to appoint a retired Lieutenant general Keith Kellogg
27:51
Speaker 2: as a special envoy to Ukraine. He's made a lot
27:54
Speaker 2: of choices. Is this one that you would agree with?
28:00
Speaker 1: Oh?
28:00
Speaker 10: Yes, I know Keith Kellogg very well. Paratroopers together and
28:06
Speaker 10: infantry and known each other for many, many years. And
28:09
Speaker 10: for the last two weeks, I think I've talked to
28:11
Speaker 10: him every single day. So yeah, this is a good pick.
28:15
Speaker 10: He's got the president's confidence. There's a number of people
28:19
Speaker 10: around President Trump. Certainly you have an opinion that we
28:23
Speaker 10: should just end this thing, and then there's some others.
28:28
Speaker 10: You know, maybe we should just cut and run. That
28:30
Speaker 10: doesn't make any sense. Kellogg will go forward based on
28:35
Speaker 10: what's good for the United States national interests. And obviously
28:40
Speaker 10: we don't have neutrality here. This is not like a
28:42
Speaker 10: negotiation between a union and a corporate headquarters and trying
28:47
Speaker 10: to be neutral to both. We have a bias here,
28:50
Speaker 10: and that bias is Ukraine. We want them to come
28:52
Speaker 10: out of this in a favorable position, and we certainly
28:56
Speaker 10: don't want to do anything that's going to enhance Putin
29:00
Speaker 10: st rented his barbaric hand in Europe, which China would
29:04
Speaker 10: regard as a win for them, and so would the
29:08
Speaker 10: Mools in Iran regard as a win for them. So
29:11
Speaker 10: Kellogg rounded in military operations, been in and out of
29:17
Speaker 10: national security since he's been retired, spent four years in
29:21
Speaker 10: the White House with the Trump administration, was part of
29:24
Speaker 10: his think tank. So he's very close to policymakers and
29:29
Speaker 10: he'll put together a good team around him. This is hard, though,
29:32
Speaker 10: mcnon mistake about it. This is a very tough negotiations
29:37
Speaker 10: that are take place here. It's a very complicated situation
29:42
Speaker 10: in Ukraine, as we've been watching now for three years.
29:45
Speaker 1: But he's picked the right guy to go do it.
29:48
Speaker 2: What's your view on whether Ukraine might ultimately have to
29:51
Speaker 2: give up some ground to have this over.
29:56
Speaker 10: Well, I think President Zelensky is already there with that.
30:00
Speaker 10: He's not going to say that publicly, Steve, but I
30:03
Speaker 10: mean the reality is that but there are how much
30:08
Speaker 10: that is really the issue?
30:10
Speaker 1: And remember we talking.
30:11
Speaker 10: About as ground and when you talk to President Zelenski
30:17
Speaker 10: and the leaders around him, for them, it's all about
30:20
Speaker 10: the people. They're surrendering hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian people
30:24
Speaker 10: to the subjugation of Russia.
30:27
Speaker 1: Their women are rape routinely, the.
30:29
Speaker 10: Men get assassinated for the least violation. Thirty thousand children
30:37
Speaker 10: in occupied territories in Ukraine by Russia have been exported
30:41
Speaker 10: to Russia.
30:42
Speaker 1: But this is horrendous when has taken place.
30:45
Speaker 10: So there's a lot of passion and emotion here in
30:48
Speaker 10: terms of giving up ground. What he really doesn't want
30:50
Speaker 10: to give up are as people, and that really is
30:54
Speaker 10: the concern that they have. But yes, certainly there will
30:59
Speaker 10: will be some giving up ground obviously to be able
31:02
Speaker 10: to negotiate some kind of an effective peace agreement.
31:06
Speaker 1: Now I am fatalistic about this.
31:10
Speaker 10: We have washed putin in all of his ceasefires and
31:13
Speaker 10: peace agreement, the Minxed agreement started in twenty fourteen, and
31:18
Speaker 10: also multiple ceasefires in Syria violated every single one of them.
31:23
Speaker 10: Took advantage of it on the ground to move forces
31:26
Speaker 10: to their advantage. Did the same thing with air bombing
31:32
Speaker 10: in Syria ceasefires on and took advantage of people's vulnerability
31:36
Speaker 10: because they thought it was a ceasefire and killed thousands
31:39
Speaker 10: of thousands of people.
31:41
Speaker 1: Putin is a thug.
31:42
Speaker 10: And he's a killer, and he's not giving up on
31:46
Speaker 10: his aspiration. The top of the government in Kiev put
31:48
Speaker 10: a stooge in there like he had in twenty fourteen Yanikovich,
31:52
Speaker 10: so he can control this country.
31:55
Speaker 1: That is really the path that he's on.
32:01
Speaker 2: Knowing I was going to talk to you this week,
32:02
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about Taiwan and China. Now I
32:06
Speaker 2: saw an assessment this week of what China might in
32:10
Speaker 2: fact be up to in regard to taking back Taiwan.
32:14
Speaker 2: This theory, and I'd love your military brain on this,
32:17
Speaker 2: was that the Chinese would send the navy in and
32:20
Speaker 2: basically surround Taiwan and shut down its ports, lay a
32:26
Speaker 2: bunch of minds, retreat, and then start to interfere with
32:30
Speaker 2: Taiwan's electricity by turning off systems, turning off computers, and
32:36
Speaker 2: it would mean that they don't really try and starve
32:39
Speaker 2: the Taiwanese out. Now, whether the world would put up
32:42
Speaker 2: with that, I don't know, But militarily is that the
32:45
Speaker 2: way wars might be fought in the future that you
32:48
Speaker 2: block AID and then you shut down systems and the
32:52
Speaker 2: country then can't really operate.
32:57
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that's necessarily the war in the future.
32:59
Speaker 10: I mean, it's pretty easily this man on somebody's blockade
33:02
Speaker 10: if you have the military strength to do it.
33:04
Speaker 1: I mean you're sitting there quite vulnerable.
33:07
Speaker 10: But really, the options that President she has, going from
33:13
Speaker 10: all out invasion to seizing islands that are close to
33:17
Speaker 10: China that Taiwan owns, and a quarantine blockade, they're all
33:23
Speaker 10: on a table for him. The most dangerous option is
33:27
Speaker 10: suddenly the all out invasion of Taiwan militarily. The most
33:31
Speaker 10: likely option, however, is the one that you're talking about,
33:34
Speaker 10: is the quarantine slash blockade, And it's most likely because
33:39
Speaker 10: it falls into playbook of what she has presently been
33:43
Speaker 10: doing since he's been in power ten plus. He is
33:46
Speaker 10: intimidate them course, don't fire a shot, and taken advantage
33:52
Speaker 10: of his military strength through intimidation, and he can control
33:57
Speaker 10: at least initially all the maritime traffic and also control
34:02
Speaker 10: the air traffic going into Taiwan. And then he's doing
34:07
Speaker 10: what he's forcing the Taiwanese to respond to that and
34:12
Speaker 10: do something about it. These also forcing the United States.
34:15
Speaker 10: Are you going to come to their assistance or not.
34:18
Speaker 10: If he has some reservations about whether the United States
34:22
Speaker 10: would respond to something like that, I think then this
34:25
Speaker 10: becomes even more likely a scenario or an option for
34:31
Speaker 10: him to choose. And I think she is watching this
34:35
Speaker 10: war in Ukraine to see and be able to make
34:39
Speaker 10: judgments about the political will of the United States the
34:42
Speaker 10: last four years. The judgment was they could take advantage
34:46
Speaker 10: of US vulnerabilities.
34:48
Speaker 1: It's not isolated as a war in Europe.
34:50
Speaker 10: Russia invaded Ukraine and not isolated that the Mullas operationalized
34:55
Speaker 10: their procnecies and started the most significant conflict in in
35:00
Speaker 10: the Middle East since Israel was a state, And it's
35:03
Speaker 10: not isolated that he's increased his intimidation and coersion in
35:07
Speaker 10: the Indo Pacific region all because they believe the United
35:12
Speaker 10: States is weak and they can take advantage of the
35:16
Speaker 10: lack of political will that we have.
35:19
Speaker 1: And I think that.
35:22
Speaker 10: That decision they made has had a payoff for them
35:24
Speaker 10: to be quite frank So, I think right now they're
35:27
Speaker 10: reassessing based on President Trump, and they're going to take
35:31
Speaker 10: a look at what their goals are and they're going
35:33
Speaker 10: to watch very carefully the words and the action is
35:37
Speaker 10: that President Trump takes becoming president.
35:39
Speaker 1: I suspect he's going to.
35:41
Speaker 10: Let them know that he's not going to put up
35:44
Speaker 10: with this behavior in the future. They'll let them know privately.
35:47
Speaker 10: Maybe some of that will be addressed publicly. So your
35:51
Speaker 10: audience understands the United States in the last four years
35:54
Speaker 10: has been attacked over three hundred times by Ironian proxies
35:58
Speaker 10: in at our base in Irakan, Syria, and they've been
36:03
Speaker 10: firing missiles, even ballistic missiles, at our warships, trying to
36:06
Speaker 10: keep the Red Sea and the Suez Canal opened.
36:10
Speaker 1: I suspect President Trump's going to tell them not that off.
36:13
Speaker 2: Great assessment, General. Always a pleasure to catch up with you.
36:15
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your time.
36:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, Tykeny and Steve, they take care. Thank you.
36:23
Speaker 3: How good's Jack Keene?
36:24
Speaker 1: Now?
36:24
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break.
36:25
Speaker 2: As I said, the government didn't just try to rush
36:28
Speaker 2: through hundreds of bills today in the Parliament. The antics
36:32
Speaker 2: of one senator really shamed the Parliament. More of that
36:35
Speaker 2: coming up next. Welcome back to the Bolt Report. Disgraceful
36:42
Speaker 2: scenes I think in Cambridge today in the Senate. Now
36:46
Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe, the Independent Lydia Thorpe has caused another scene.
36:50
Speaker 2: She was suspended from the Senate for her antics yesterday,
36:54
Speaker 2: and so she turned up and she made a hell
36:57
Speaker 2: of a noise in the it is gallery joining me now,
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Speaker 2: someone who is there? Liberal Senator Jonathan Dunham, Senator, great
37:04
Speaker 2: to see you again. Let's have a look at that,
37:07
Speaker 2: in case anyone's missed it. Thoughte turns up. She's been
37:11
Speaker 2: suspended from the Senate. That didn't stop her making one
37:14
Speaker 2: of her typical scenes. I'm almost loathed to show it
37:17
Speaker 2: because she wants the attention. But this is what happened.
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Speaker 3: I call the clerk.
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Speaker 11: I call the clerk.
37:29
Speaker 2: Screaming from the gallery. Now, how can anyone believe that
37:32
Speaker 2: type of behavior is acceptable any other workplace? And you'll
37:35
Speaker 2: probably be fired for this, Senator Mackenzie. She had this
37:39
Speaker 2: to say about Thorpe's behavior.
37:42
Speaker 12: There has had to be additional security guards positioned at
37:46
Speaker 12: all the entrances to the Senate, and this is really concerning. Now,
37:51
Speaker 12: calling people racist actually is just a way I think
37:56
Speaker 12: that this senator is trying to excuse her own very
38:01
Speaker 12: very bad behavior. For Senator Thoughpe to be so disrespectful
38:05
Speaker 12: of the institution of fellow senators says more about what
38:08
Speaker 12: she thinks about our democracy and the rule of law
38:12
Speaker 12: and her role as an activist disruptor, which, in my mind,
38:17
Speaker 12: having watched the behavior and her response, is all about
38:19
Speaker 12: tearing down our democratic institutions.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan, do we need tougher laws or tougher penalties on
38:29
Speaker 2: people who behave like that in parliament?
38:32
Speaker 10: Oh?
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Speaker 13: Look, Steve, it is good to be with you, but
38:35
Speaker 13: it's so sad to be discussing something as embarrassing for
38:39
Speaker 13: our parliament as this, and every election or every six
38:43
Speaker 13: years in the case of a senator as is Lydia Thorpe,
38:46
Speaker 13: she'd be judged by the people that are center there
38:48
Speaker 13: in the first place. And I don't think she'll be
38:50
Speaker 13: re elected. And if you can find me an Indigenous
38:53
Speaker 13: Australian who's better off as a result of her silly antics,
38:57
Speaker 13: then I'd love to meet them, because I don't think
38:59
Speaker 13: she's achieved anything for anyone. If anything, she's setting the
39:04
Speaker 13: entire cause back for people who need a helping hand,
39:08
Speaker 13: particularly those in indigenous communities in far flung corners of
39:12
Speaker 13: our country. And the things that have had to happen
39:15
Speaker 13: as a result of her behavior. As Bridget McKenzie said,
39:19
Speaker 13: there were security guards at every door into the chamber.
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Speaker 13: The public galleries were closed off because we were worried
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Speaker 13: she was going to come in and disrupt proceedings to
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Speaker 13: try and prolong this stunt of hers. She was sent
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Speaker 13: here to do a job, she's failed to do it,
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Speaker 13: and so what she does now is try to draw
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Speaker 13: attention to herself to get a bit of notoriety. But
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Speaker 13: as I say, there is nothing good coming out of
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Speaker 13: what she's doing for anyone, particularly for Indigenous Australians, and
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Speaker 13: everyone expects a lot more as a result. So it's
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Speaker 13: a damn shame on our parliament. But I don't think
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Speaker 13: she's going to see any chance of reelection with this
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Speaker 13: sort of behavior.
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Speaker 3: Her legacy. Well, i'pe you're right.
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Speaker 2: How do you get your head around what happened in
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Speaker 2: the Senate today? In terms of legislation, almost forty pieces
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Speaker 2: of legislation were sent through on what they call a
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Speaker 2: guillotine motion, so there was no debate. They include reforms
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Speaker 2: in superannuation. I wouldn't call them reforms, but you know
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Speaker 2: future made in Australia reforms, the social media bills. Would
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Speaker 2: you like to have delayed this material, gone back and
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Speaker 2: debated it properly next year so you could properly look
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Speaker 2: at it.
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Speaker 13: So all of these bills could have been dealt with earlier,
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Speaker 13: you know, for instance, on the social media reforms for
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Speaker 13: the under sixteens, which has been a big subjective debate,
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Speaker 13: that's something that's been on the cards for quite some
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Speaker 13: time now, and we had a version of the legislation
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Speaker 13: out there what a year or more ago.
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Speaker 8: The fact is they are.
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Speaker 13: Denying the Parliament the ability to do our job, and
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Speaker 13: we're still sitting now. The bills will be ringing all
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Speaker 13: the way through this interview and we'll be doing a
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Speaker 13: vote after vote after vote with zero debate on these bills.
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Speaker 13: That's what a guillotine is. We literally don't get to
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Speaker 13: look at it in detail or even make any contribution
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Speaker 13: by way of speech to the bills that we're passing.
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Speaker 13: And this government in this term of parliament have guillotined
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Speaker 13: more bills than the last government did in nine years.
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Speaker 13: This is an appalling endartment on a government that went
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Speaker 13: to the election saying well, we're going to usher in
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Speaker 13: a new age of transparency, We're going to apply more
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Speaker 13: scrutiny and be more open with the people of Australia. Well,
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Speaker 13: what's happening tonight where you're seeing forty bills in a
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Speaker 13: dirty deal with the cross Bench in particular the Greens
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Speaker 13: jammed through the Senate. Is not transparency, It isn't democracy.
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Speaker 13: It's a shame again and it's just a hallmark of
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Speaker 13: this government. What you could expect if after the election
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Speaker 13: we have a labor Green government. This is the kind
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Speaker 13: of stuff they're going to get up to on steroids.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't tell me that give me nightmares.
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Speaker 2: I'll let you get back to those bills, and those
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Speaker 2: bills I hope you.
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Speaker 3: Don't have to sit till three o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 2: Editor Jonathan Dunham There now coming up after the break,
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Speaker 2: the ABC chairman Kim Williams. He says the ABC get
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Speaker 2: this has no bias? Is he even listening and watching
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Speaker 2: his own network? The panel after the break, Welcome back,
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Speaker 2: Schrry Markson. Coming up next, Let's get stuck into our
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Speaker 2: panel tonight. I'm joined by late debate co host the
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Speaker 2: wonderful Liz Storer and Scott On News contributor Evelyn Ray.
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Speaker 2: Now I only drove off the road. Today, I was
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Speaker 2: listening to talkback radio in Melbourne. The ABC chairman Kim
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Speaker 2: Williams decides he would give an interview to commercial radio.
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Speaker 2: I just don't know how out of touch this.
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Speaker 3: Bloke he is.
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Speaker 2: Tom Elliot on AW asked him why is the ABC
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Speaker 2: Kim so bias? Here's what he said.
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Speaker 14: I'm a very very strong believer in the importance of
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Speaker 14: objectivity in the ABC's journalism and that the ABC is
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Speaker 14: held to the highest standards in terms of independence, integrity
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Speaker 14: and freedom from bias in all that it undertakes journalistically.
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Speaker 14: I would say to you that the vast majority of
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Speaker 14: commentary that is offered on the ABC is fair minded
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Speaker 14: and this is informed from considered analysis and perspective in
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Speaker 14: relation to Australian affairs.
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Speaker 3: Liz over to you, this is unbelievable.
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Speaker 15: Also on three AW this Morning, Steed he was telling
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Speaker 15: Tom Elliott he could not believe the quote astonishingly large
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Speaker 15: pylon end quote that he'd copped following his disgusting remarks
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Speaker 15: regarding just yesterday he made them at a presser regarding
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Speaker 15: Joe Rogan, the biggest podcaster in the world. Joe Rogan
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Speaker 15: has over eighteen million subscribers on YouTube, fourteen million subscribers
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Speaker 15: on Spotify, every single one of his epos episodes gets
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Speaker 15: a minimum of eleven million viewers. And yet you've got
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Speaker 15: Kim Williams coming out saying this guy is quote deeply
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Speaker 15: repulsive end quote, and then he's surprised at the backlash
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Speaker 15: that he's taken aim at the most famous guy, arguably
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Speaker 15: one of the most famous guys on the planet today,
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Speaker 15: I e also most popular guys and could not believe
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Speaker 15: that he had just unleashed this wave of people coming
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Speaker 15: out to protect him one of them, which speaks to
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Speaker 15: your point that you've made. One of the comments that
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Speaker 15: making the rounds on social media today was like, oh, yes,
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Speaker 15: Joe Rogan is so repulsive Kim Williams that he doctored
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Speaker 15: footage to make it look like Ossie soldiers had committed
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Speaker 15: war crimes. Oh wait, no, whoops, that was the ABC.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look evil.
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Speaker 2: And you wonder whether Kim Williams is even ever listened
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Speaker 2: to Joe Rogan when you when you heard what he
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Speaker 2: said in the press club yesterday.
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Speaker 8: I don't think that he does.
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Speaker 11: I don't think that anybody at the ABC really listens
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Speaker 11: to anybody, but their leftist echo chamber, and you know what,
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Speaker 11: there really is no need for a state funded news anymore.
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Speaker 11: I mean, with this day and age, with independent news
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Speaker 11: at our fingertips, they really are redundant. And you know what,
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Speaker 11: I think there's a reason why they refuse to let
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Speaker 11: go of this is because they get one billion dollars
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Speaker 11: over one billion dollars a year in tax funded money.
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Speaker 11: And they know if they went to the modern day
45:38
Speaker 11: and age of subscription based media, that no one could
45:42
Speaker 11: put that bill, especially their leftist echo chamber. They're any
45:46
Speaker 11: city in a city leftist that they seem to only
45:48
Speaker 11: appeal to. You know, I think that it's about time
45:52
Speaker 11: that you know, Australians, you know, really start pushing the
45:55
Speaker 11: fact that we just can't listen to these people anymore
45:59
Speaker 11: because they're as reliable as the weather reports these days.
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Speaker 2: Liz, I reckon, we've really reached the bottom of the
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Speaker 2: barrel here in Victoria with this hard left socialist labor government.
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Speaker 2: I could not believe the debate this week over a
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Speaker 2: prisoner who murdered her housemate, stabbed it to death in
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Speaker 2: front of her four year old child. She's serving a
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Speaker 2: sentence in jail and the prison system is going to
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Speaker 2: allow her out of prison to access IVF, which, if successful,
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Speaker 2: she would then raise her baby for five years in jail.
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Speaker 3: Please tell me I'm in a nightmare.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, talk about only in Victoria, Steve. Now, apparently the
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Speaker 15: president for this case was set by a two thousand
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Speaker 15: and ten case in which the Supreme Court of Victoria
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Speaker 15: allowed a woman in a minimum security prison she was
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Speaker 15: there having been a sentence for fraud, to keep undergoing
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Speaker 15: IVF treatment.
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Speaker 3: So the Supreme.
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Speaker 15: Court has basically just said, look, medical treatment is medical treatment.
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Speaker 15: We're treating this the same as we would cancer treatment, etc.
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Speaker 8: And so on.
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Speaker 15: It's absolute nonsense. I'm sure I speak for the vast
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Speaker 15: majority of Australians when I say this is the precisely
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Speaker 15: the kind of person we do not want contributing to
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Speaker 15: the gene. Paul, and like you say, if this IVF
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Speaker 15: is successful, that child will be raised for five years
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Speaker 15: on the tax payer dime.
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Speaker 3: No, thank you, absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: And Eveel and the Libs today tried to shut this
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Speaker 2: down by banning IVF for prisoners, and the Government said, no,
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Speaker 2: we're not going to do that.
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Speaker 11: You know, I think Liz sort of crossed over a
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Speaker 11: very important point. Who's paying for this? You know, these
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Speaker 11: treatments are incredibly expensive and anyone who suffers from infertility
47:58
Speaker 11: can vouch for this, and sadly those are going up.
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Speaker 11: So there are lots of Australians who are probably feeling
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Speaker 11: very hurt by these sorts of decisions. You know, this
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Speaker 11: person has taken away somebody's rights permanently, you know, when
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Speaker 11: they decided to murder them.
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Speaker 3: And so, as far as I'm.
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Speaker 11: Concerned, if you take somebody's rights away, you don't get
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Speaker 11: you don't get afforded the same rights as law abiding citizens.
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Speaker 11: Our government would do very well to remember that. But
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Speaker 11: then again, Steve, our government have no moral grounding or
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Speaker 11: basis which they operate, so it's no wonder that the
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Speaker 11: people they govern are suffering.
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Speaker 3: None at all.
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Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable. Liz, Dora, Evel and Ray. Always a
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Speaker 2: pleasure to catch up with you both. Charie Markson's up next.