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The Ancients of Days · Urantia Radio

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  OK, so we're going to get into some pretty heavy stuff this
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  time up and I know you love it. I do too.
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  After all, we are talking about the 5th epical Revelation, the
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  Urantia book. And lately we've been focusing
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  on the dynamics between the Urantia book teachings and
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  Christianity. And, and we're going to get to
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  some interesting, I think, articles that you'll enjoy,
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  including one from a a reader who submitted some information
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  in the last podcast on direct references that were made during
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  one of Jesus's teachings. And I thought that was very
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  interesting. So we're going to get into a
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  little bit of that. I also want to center in on the
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  ancients of days is it's very integral to the whole panorama
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  of God's creation, the cosmological universe.
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  So we'll get into who the Ancient of Days were and how it
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  again illustrates the the partnership, which I think there
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  is a strong partnership between the Urantia book and
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  Christianity. So we'll get to that in just a
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  second. A reminder for you to join me on
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  my website, which is a constantly evolving website that
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  has all kinds of cool things. If you like the program, you
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  want to go back in time, listen to some earlier interviews with
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  influencers within the Urantia community, I encourage you to
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  check out the website itsurantiaradio.org.
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  That's Urantia radio.org. I'll
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  I'll tell you a short story and then we'll get into the bulk of
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  what we want to talk about. But everybody is familiar with
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  the Star of Bethlehem. That's the star that led the
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  Magi, the three kings that came from far off lands to witness
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  and give honor to the baby Jesus at the Manger in Bethlehem.
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  We all know that story. But there's a much greater level
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  to that story, which I want to bring to your attention as a way
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  of illustrating how the dynamic between the Urantia Book and the
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  Christianity is very existent. And the reason I say this is
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  because one of the early experiences I had in recognizing
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  the dynamic between the Urantia Book, the relationship between
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  the Urantia Book and the Bible, is that it seeks to explain,
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  explain things that are in the Bible that may not have been
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  comprehensible at the time that the Bible was written.
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  Certainly that is the case when it comes to the star of
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  Bethlehem because I come to discover in the Urantia book
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  that it talks about 3 specific dates in the year that Jesus was
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  born. And on those three specific
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  dates there was a conjunction between Jupiter and I want to
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  say Mars or or another of the other planets.
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  Perhaps it was Mars. But anyway, there was a
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  conjunction that's specified in the Life and teachings of Jesus
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  where it talks about the legend of the star.
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  And in that it discloses that on three specific dates that are
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  listed in the Urantia book, they give credence to the fact that
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  there was a a conjunction, a bright star in the evening sky
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  during that period. And this got woven into the
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  story of the birth of Jesus. Now you could contest that
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  statement that the Urantia book is positing that states this is
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  how we explain the the star. It didn't lead anybody, didn't
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  attract the attention of the magi.
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  It didn't guide them to the birth.
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  How would it do that? But what is the significance of
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  it? Well, the significance is that
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  it captured that event, the birth of Christ, as having
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  occurred during that period because the people that were on
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  earth at the time would have been a witness to both.
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  They would have seen this conjunction and maybe they tied
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  it to the later recognition that Jesus was a divine son.
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  So with that, that gave to me an early experience of saying,
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  well, that's interesting because I, I grew up with this story and
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  this story from the Urantia book clarifies that story and it may,
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  it actually validates the story in the Bible.
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  And there's a lot of that. And that's one of the reasons
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  we're talking about this now. I, it, it skipped my mind that I
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  do have the Parimony, which was written by Dwayne Faugh.
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  And in the Parimony, which was done back in the 70s, I believe
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  Dwayne actually methodically went through the Bible and
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  correlated all the quotes that were in the Urantia book and
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  specifies where those quotations are in the Bible.
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  And I'll give you a good example of that.
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  So I got this from Carol. Thank you Carol for sending it.
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  And she writes, when the authors of the Urantia book use quotes
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  from the Bible, it appears they use the King James Version.
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  For example, the Urantia book in paper 34 it says quote for the
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  fruits of the Spirit are Lovejoy, peace, long-suffering,
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  gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance.
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  But in the Bible, where is that quote from?
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  It just appears in the Urantia book but they don't give
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  reference to where the quote came from.
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  Well it came from Galatians 522 in the King James, King James
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  version where it says quote but the fruit of the spirit is
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  Lovejoy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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  meekness, temperance. From paper 48 In the Urantia
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  book, it talks about Paul, and it says Paul learned of the
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  existence of the Morantia worlds and of the reality of the
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  marrage of materials. For he wrote they have in heaven
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  a better and more enduring substance.
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  And End Quote. And these marrage of materials
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  are real, literal even as the city which has its foundations,
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  whose builder and maker is God. And each of these marvelous
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  fears is quote, a better country, that is a heavenly one.
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  Now where do those quotes come from?
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  Well, it turns out that again in the King James Version from
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  Hebrews 1034 quote For ye had compassion of me and my bonds,
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  and look joyfully this spoiling of your goods, knowing in
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  yourself that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring
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  substance. From Hebrews 11 But now they
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  desire a better country, that is an heavenly, wherefore God is
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  not ashamed to be called their God, for he hath prepared for
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  them a city kind of similar to they have and better in heaven,
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  a better and more enduring substance, which is how the
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  Urantia book quotes Paul and whose foundation, whose builder
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  and maker is God. So there's correlation between
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  the quotations, not exact, but actually more clarified in
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  Hebrews 11/10. For he looked for a city which
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  hath foundation, whose builder and maker is God.
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  Again, that's going back to the quote from 4817 in the Urantia
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  book. So it's an expansion on Carol's
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  point that the Urantia book has a relationship with the New
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  Testament in particular because it contains more of Jesus's
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  teachings than any other document.
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  And it also has a relationship with the Old Testament because
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  many of those stories go all the way back to the days of
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  Dalmatia. In particular, the story of
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  Genesis, Melchizedek, the covenant that Abraham made is,
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  is clarified in the Bible. It substantiates the roots of
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  the Hebrew faith and how it evolved and when Christ came,
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  his followers who were all, by the way, faithful believers in
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  the laws of Moses and the Hebrew faith in, in, in paper 155 and
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  in the discourses on religion. Jesus says, look, don't you know
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  there's two things You know, you don't have to go back to the
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  past to experience God. You can do it into yourself.
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  The Kingdom of heaven is within you.
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  But up to that point, that was not what the Hebrew faith
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  taught. The the Hebrew faith taught
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  obedience to the law and the Hebrew faith was had very strict
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  rules of conduct, of eating, of diet, of of, of ritual that you
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  had to perform to show your faith in God.
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  But even in the story of Melchizedek, which I found to be
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  very interesting, when they talk about Melchizedek choosing
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  Abraham as a potential leader of the great truth of monotheism,
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  that he knew about Abraham's lineage, he knew that Abraham
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  was Sumerian, which is important because what's a Sumerian?
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  Sumerian. Well, the Sumerians were
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  particularly known for their dark hair and rich blue eyes,
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  and they were themselves ancestors, the Sumerian Semites.
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  It's a small pocket of this one group that had settled and built
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  a sort of a civilization down near where the Persian Gulf is
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  today. And they were the remnants of
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  the second garden, which were the Adamites and the earlier
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  tribe of the Nodites. And of course, the Nodites, the
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  land of Nod. Their ancestry traces them all
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  the way back to the Dalamisha days, Dilmun Dilmud of the days
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  of the Tower of Babel, which was a building that was going to be
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  constructed to show from the Nodites their love and reverence
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  for for God. So again, the Urantia book gives
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  more substance to the stories that are real in the in in the
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  Bible that are based on fact and it goes through all of the
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  prophets and their influence and how they carried the truth of
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  monotheism forward. So again, I I say all of this
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  because I believe that, you know, Byron Blezes made a point
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  in his recent and by the way, his last substack is that the
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  Urantia movement is a movement of a body, but it doesn't have a
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  head. And I take, I interpret that and
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  maybe you disagree with me, but what I interpret that is both
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  positive and negative positive is that we are not apparently
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  developing into a cult where we have cultist leaders and cult of
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  personality and all that nonsense.
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  So far there hasn't been, well, there have been a couple of
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  exceptions, but they're they were very transient.
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  But by and large, the movement of the Arantia book I was just
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  reading today about the Christ Michael Center and then some of
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  the marvelous works they're doing overseas.
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  And that's what I think this movement is really all about.
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  We're going to have to bake ourself into and have a positive
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  influence, perhaps an uplifting influence on the current
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  religions of Christ, however transformative that might be.
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  I know from second hand conversations is that there are
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  people within the Mormon movement who really like the
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  Urantia book and they've made attempts to introduce it, but so
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  far nothing significant. I also know that there are a lot
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  of Christian groups that do like the Urantia book and they read
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  them, but they don't share it with members of their church
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  because, well, because of that whole dynamic between Holy Holy
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  Scripture and this new revelation, the, the mainline
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  church, the leaders within the church, the the priests, the
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  ministers, they're not ready for the Urantia book.
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  They're just not ready and neither are a multitude of their
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  constituents. They're very comfortable.
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  That's the whole point of Jesus discourse is that many people
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  are comfortable with an intellectual approach to God.
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  They like the pageantry, they like the ritual.
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  It's comfortable. We are a tradition bound
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  species. Even Jesus recognized that in
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  Paper 156 where they talk about how people are used to their
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  faith being practiced a certain way and they're not going to
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  easily let go of it. But for the for the person who
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  will follow the truth wherever that truth may lead, the Urantia
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  book opens up a whole bunch of new doors.
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  So I'll spend a little bit of time on the ancients of days
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  because I think it's important to what I'm trying to suggest
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  here, the Urantia movement, a body without a head.
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  I think we need that. Christianity is going to have to
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  at some point make a decision. I hope the decision is the right
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  1. And I hope in future
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  generations, perhaps in the next 50 years, some of these leaders
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  that lead the Christian Church and the different factions of
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  the Christian Church will start to hear from members of their
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  flock about this book. And let me give you a good
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  example. In the Bible, the ages of days
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  are mentioned by Daniel several times.
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  In one statement, the ancients of days are identified as like
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  the Son of Man in Christian, the ideology, it is believed to
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  represent God in paradise and also in revelation.
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  Both Christ, the Son of man and the ancients of days are said to
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  give authority to the Son of Man.
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  So the interpretation from most biblical scholars is that the
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  Ancient of Days is in fact another name for God.
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  Why Daniel decided those words we don't know, but we do know in
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  Aramaic Ancient of Days actually doesn't say ancient of days.
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  It means one who is above time or an original 1.
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  And I think that's the interpretation Daniel was, was
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  that whoever he was seeing in his in spiritual encounter
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  appeared as someone who had been around for a while.
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  In the Urantia book, we're told that the ancients of days
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  represent the authority or the law of the Trinity.
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  They act as the judicial branch of the Super spiritual
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  government of God. You know, there's the law which
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  pertains to physical law, natural law, and then there's
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  mercy and there's justice. Those are the three tenets of
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  the Trinity, the law, mercy, and justice.
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  We all have to follow basic fundamental truths, conduct
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  rules of play. The Golden Rule is based on this
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  law of fairness and the Ancient of Days represents the judicial
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  expression of that law. They can decree alone who who
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  makes it and who doesn't. They have the actual power.
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  Let me read a little bit from Daniel and there was given him
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  referring to Ancient of Days, dominion and glory and a Kingdom
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  until the Ancient of Days come and judgement was given to the
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  Saints of the Most High again. So the authority of the Ancient
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  of Days that they can pass judgement from Revelation 17, it
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  says, Behold, he cometh with clouds, Revelation 14141 like
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  unto the Son of Man upon a cloud, referencing that the Son
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  of Man is of equal status or at least a high enough status to
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  receive authority from the Ancient of Days.
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  And all of this serves to recognize that the Urantia book
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  clarifies the Bible's great stories, the history of the
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  prophets. As I mentioned before, even the
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  three circles on the Urantia book is the logo of one of these
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  divine sons, the faithful of days.
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  And, and it's says that on page one of the Urantia book that the
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  Ancient of Days are the ones who commissioned the Urantia book.
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  Right there on the first page from Daniel 79 to 710.
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  Behold, till the Thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of
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  Days did sit. Whose garment was white as snow,
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  and the hair of the head like pure wool.
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  His throne was like that of a fiery flame, and his wheels as
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  burning fire. Next sentence, a fiery stream
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  issued and came forth from before him.
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  Thousands and thousands minister unto him, and 10,000 * 10,000
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  stood before him. The judgement was set and the
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  book was open. This all referencing the Ancient
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  of Days. It's Ancient of days.
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  Whoever this agency is, is extremely powerful, and again
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  the Urantia Book says that they represent the authority of the
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  Trinity. In the Urantia Book, Paper 18 it
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  says in power, scope of authority and extent of
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  jurisdiction, the ancients of days are the most powerful and
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  mighty of any of the direct rulers of the time space
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  creations in all the vast universe of universes.
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  They alone are invested with the high powers of final executive
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  judgment concerning the eternal extinction of will creatures.
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  And all of this is to say that we live in a very active
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  universe led by super intelligent and guided by
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  spiritually motivated and profoundly wise spiritual
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  leaders who are, of course, God's children.
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  And it should also be noted that the ancients of Days are
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  expected to issue a final executive judgement concerning
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  Lucifer and the rebellion against Michael and the universe
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  rulers. That's how power powerful this
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  agency is of these three individuals who again represent
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  the Paradise Trinity in law and scope of authority.
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  So something to ponder. It takes a passage from Daniel
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  and expands upon it just as we've illustrated.
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  And it does this over and over and over.
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  There are 10s of thousands of quotes that are given great
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  clarification in the Urantia book.
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  I would think that would be an exciting adventure for someone
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  who was searching for God and why we are here and what's next.
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  So we'll see you next time on the Urantia Radio Podcast.
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