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What Does an NFL Player Eat? with Joe Thomas · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: know if you can hear that. My stomach is actually growling.
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  Speaker 1: I am so hungry and this probably not the episode
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she's a d D Kickablalla, I'm feeling
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  Speaker 1: very bad for you. The Cereal is not cutting it
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  Speaker 1: from this morning, and people are like, why are you
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  Speaker 1: talking about food right now? Well, that is actually today's
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  Speaker 1: episode how to Feed an NFL team. We should be
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  Speaker 1: doing the episode on how to feed broadcasters. Although I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm the only person add that needs to listen
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  Speaker 1: to that episode because it looks like you're fueled up
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  Speaker 1: for the show. I feel like that's a knock right there. Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's very rare for me to actually miss a meal
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  Speaker 1: a but b I do eat on the run. That's
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  Speaker 1: why there are crumbs everywhere. That's why you actually just
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  Speaker 1: saw my daughter picking things to eat off of my desk,
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  Speaker 1: because there are always things to eat at my desk.
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  Speaker 1: Well done. It's a good strategy eat on the run.
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  Speaker 1: You're burning the calories while you're in taking them. Although
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the exact way to do it,
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  Speaker 1: but for some NFL players maybe that's their strategy. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to snacks during the games. That's actually
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  Speaker 1: something we're gonna learn a little bit later in this
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  Speaker 1: episode that I found out based off of one of
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  Speaker 1: your conversations. But I'm excited for today's episode of d
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  Speaker 1: D because food, I think is something that is just
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  Speaker 1: it's always on my mind, and I think I'm not
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  Speaker 1: the only person that would agree with that assessment. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not just what's on someone's mind. It's a
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  Speaker 1: cultural thing. Often. You know, when NFL teams go on
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  Speaker 1: the road, they do their best to maintain their same
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  Speaker 1: general food options, but most teams will offer something that's
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  Speaker 1: very particular to where they are. So, for instance, I'll
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  Speaker 1: give you as an example, when the Cleveland Browns go
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  Speaker 1: to Baltimore, there's always crab cakes on the menu in
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  Speaker 1: addition to everything else that is usually available. When the
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns go to Cincinnati Chili, you'll get some Skyline
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  Speaker 1: Chili in addition to everything else. So food is about places,
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  Speaker 1: Food is about culture, food is about family, and to
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  Speaker 1: some people, food is only about sustenance. I mean, we'll
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  Speaker 1: get into this later, but I talked to the head
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  Speaker 1: of nutrition and the head dietitian with the Cleveland Browns,
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  Speaker 1: Katie Messick, and she told me that there are guys
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  Speaker 1: that will eat the same exact thing every single day
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  Speaker 1: creature of habit my routine. I would be one of
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  Speaker 1: those people that Katie is referencing, not to mention sis, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do eat a lot of the same foods pretty
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  Speaker 1: boredom out of that, like food boredom, that's a thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I'll break it up. I don't eat the same
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  Speaker 1: thing literally every day, but generally speaking, I'm I kind
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  Speaker 1: of fall into a certain path, Like I won't eat
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  Speaker 1: spicy foods because upsets my stomach, and I won't do
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  Speaker 1: that on a show day, right, like just kind of
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  Speaker 1: like game day. I would imagine a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: NFL players, In fact, you had an opportunity to talk
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  Speaker 1: to one and Joe Thomas, who I don't think missed
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  Speaker 1: many meals when he was playing three d plus pounds
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  Speaker 1: on the offensive line, Like those dudes probably are eating
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  Speaker 1: for sustenance and maybe less about the taste. Well, and
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  Speaker 1: Show is going to tell us that eating actually became
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  Speaker 1: part of his job, because Joe was one of the
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  Speaker 1: roughly let's call it, of NFL players that actually had
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  Speaker 1: to eat to maintain their weight. And I will tell you, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: I took a major hit for the team and talking
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  Speaker 1: to Joe because if he sat there and talking about
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  Speaker 1: how painful and brutal it was to have to eat
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  Speaker 1: a whole pizza and how terrible his life was that
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  Speaker 1: he had to eat ice cream every night. I really
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  Speaker 1: kind of just wanted to to know, Yeah, the ice
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  Speaker 1: cream thing would not be an issue for me. I
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  Speaker 1: do think we should set the stage here because once again,
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  Speaker 1: your conversation with Joe Thomas is coming up, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it'll be fascinating to hear what he had to
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  Speaker 1: tell you about what it was like to force food
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  Speaker 1: down his mouth, to make sure that he was maintaining.
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  Speaker 1: Not to mention what it's like for a lot of chefs,
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  Speaker 1: but I think in a world where maybe not everyone
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  Speaker 1: is doing the calorie counting, I just wanted to set
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  Speaker 1: the stage for people a duty on what generally is
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  Speaker 1: recommended for what I will call general population or not
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  Speaker 1: pro athletes, generally speaking from a female and a male perspective,
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  Speaker 1: females roughly about two tho calories a day, males hundred
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  Speaker 1: calories a day. I am certainly above that number, which
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  Speaker 1: is probably not necessarily a good thing. But I think
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  Speaker 1: the other thing to highlight here a D is the
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  Speaker 1: type of athlete that you are. And I know genetics
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  Speaker 1: plays a factor here, but an NFL players probably doing
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  Speaker 1: it a little bit differently than a swimmer. And I
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  Speaker 1: automatically think back to a guy like Michael Phelps, who
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  Speaker 1: clearly is one of the greatest athletes this country has
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  Speaker 1: ever seen, and when he was training for the Beijing Olympics,
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  Speaker 1: that is eating ten thousand calories a day, ten thousand
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  Speaker 1: calories a day, and he was sitting with eight percent
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  Speaker 1: body fat because he's burning a thousand calories every hour
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  Speaker 1: that he's working out. NFL players generally a d D
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  Speaker 1: sitting in that three to five thousand range, unless we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about it Joe Thomas on the offensive line, maybe
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  Speaker 1: up to six thousand. In fact, even some of your
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  Speaker 1: bigger guys or six thousand. Katie Messick was telling me
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  Speaker 1: that you know a dB who might have a ridiculously
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  Speaker 1: fast metabolism, A linebacker room might have a fast metabolism,
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  Speaker 1: may have to get to five thousand calories a day,
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  Speaker 1: but it's almost more important whoever you are, whether you're
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  Speaker 1: Michael Phelps, whether you're Michael Yam, whether you are I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of another Michael. Why can I not think
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  Speaker 1: of another Michael Jordan's. I mean, first of all, that
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  Speaker 1: is the one I was thinking of. But at this point,
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  Speaker 1: does Michael Jordan really matter like what he eats. This
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  Speaker 1: is a random aside and I'm totally digressing, But you
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  Speaker 1: remember hearing that story that he drank eight beers after
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  Speaker 1: every game for him, like he lost so many fluids
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  Speaker 1: that he just down the beers got a high trade.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, that's probably my post show diet. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: eating spicy foods before the show, but after, you know,
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  Speaker 1: mine's usually a tall glass of wine for clearly not
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  Speaker 1: going to ever get to go you together, because I
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  Speaker 1: love spicy food. I need spicy food. I need some
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  Speaker 1: spice in every meal. Yeah, I eat pretty bland. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Actually that's an interesting thing because how about this, Like
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  Speaker 1: even from an athletic standpoint, there's been a push recently,
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  Speaker 1: Aditi and I don't know if you got into this
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  Speaker 1: with Katie about this, but just people who don't eat meat.
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  Speaker 1: You got the vegetarians, you got pescterian, you've got the
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  Speaker 1: people who like it when it's bloody on their plate.
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  Speaker 1: And it's more probably wrong me. There's a strategy and
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  Speaker 1: a philosophy behind what people are consuming as they're preparing
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  Speaker 1: for workouts or just their games. And that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing now as more NFL teams are taking a greater
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  Speaker 1: interest in nutrition, is that you don't necessarily you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a vegetarian. I don't like people telling me, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: how do you get your protein? Obviously I get my protein.
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  Speaker 1: I've been getting my protein. I'm a healthy person and
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  Speaker 1: I have healthy children and whatever. It's this idea that
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  Speaker 1: you can cater to what you like, be it spicy
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  Speaker 1: food or not, and still get the necessary fuel. And
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  Speaker 1: it's important that you put things in your body at
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  Speaker 1: certain times so that they can be used for certain
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  Speaker 1: things and that the things that you put in your
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  Speaker 1: body are serving a purpose. And I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: what athletes are really focusing on more. Now, why do
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  Speaker 1: you eat a banana pre practice? Why do you have
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  Speaker 1: that shake post practice? Those are the things that are
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  Speaker 1: really going into what they eat now. I'm so glad
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  Speaker 1: you said that you get annoyed that people ask how
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  Speaker 1: you get your protein. I was about to ask you
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  Speaker 1: that question, so mental note, Glad you brought that up
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  Speaker 1: and I did that off at the past. Well, because
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  Speaker 1: just think about it. I don't know if people necessarily
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  Speaker 1: think about non meat now, certainly I get it. You,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you eat fish or kind of
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  Speaker 1: where you land on the springs laos Greek yogurt. You
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  Speaker 1: know how much protein Greek yogurt has. No, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a yogurt guy unless it's frozen coming out of the
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  Speaker 1: machine and I throw M and m's on top. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: when I used Greek yogurt, I mean I don't eat
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  Speaker 1: sour cream. I use Greek yogurt. I don't need mayo.
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  Speaker 1: I use Greek yogurt. I mean you can use Greek
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  Speaker 1: yogurt for anything. Basically, I got a cookbook for you.
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  Speaker 1: When we're done, Mike, I'm going to send you this cookbook.
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  Speaker 1: It's how to make anything using Greek yogurt. I definitely
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  Speaker 1: than I do. If that expands my cooking prowess. I
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  Speaker 1: and ubert Eats and all those there wonderful apps on
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  Speaker 1: my phone to make sure that I am getting my protein,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's not coming in the form of yogurt.
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  Speaker 1: the head of nutrition and the head dietitian with the
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  Speaker 1: eat the same exact thing every day. I want to
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  Speaker 1: actually ask you this question just as it pertains to
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  Speaker 1: your conversation with Katie. Just covering a lot of college
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  Speaker 1: football over the last few years, I can't help but
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  Speaker 1: notice how a lot of the dietitians and people on
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  Speaker 1: college campuses have felt for the last ten years or
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  Speaker 1: so that they're head of the NFL when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to nutrition. Which is kind of shocking, right because you
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  Speaker 1: think about the millions and billions of dollars towards professional athletes,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know if they're necessarily wrong. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: actually not shocking if you think about this. And Mike,
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  Speaker 1: this is where I get to say, as a mother,
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  Speaker 1: if I leave my children with a babysitter, I always
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  Speaker 1: ask how did they eat? What did they eat? So
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  Speaker 1: think about it. If you are a parent dropping off
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  Speaker 1: your eighteen year old son to college, aren't you going
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  Speaker 1: to be concerned what he eats? And this is great
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  Speaker 1: because Katie actually came to the Brown six years ago
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  Speaker 1: from Florida State, and she's hypothesized that This is why
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  Speaker 1: the major college programs have sort of been ahead of
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  Speaker 1: the curve of the NFL IS because all these parents
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  Speaker 1: were coming in on recruiting trips and every parent worries
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  Speaker 1: about what their kid is eating. And that's why these
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  Speaker 1: programs have to sort of focus on that and think
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  Speaker 1: about that. And also those are formative years where you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of helping set habits and practices such as eating,
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  Speaker 1: you know, four times a day, or if you're in
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  Speaker 1: training camp, you should be eating six times a day,
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  Speaker 1: things like that. I talked to a multiple coaches about this,
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  Speaker 1: and some of them would complain about training table at
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  Speaker 1: the college side and saying, look at what's happening in pick.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just say the sec because I covered the Pack twelve.
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  Speaker 1: Look at what they're feeding their dudes compared to what
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  Speaker 1: we're feeding our guys you switch in development. I would
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  Speaker 1: imagine that there are, depending on your position, this idea
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  Speaker 1: of maintaining or actually gaining weight, and that affecting what
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  Speaker 1: some of these dietitians are putting together. Well sure, but
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  Speaker 1: I think that the whole idea is that you have
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  Speaker 1: to have options for everyone. You know, you can't send
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  Speaker 1: home anybody feeling hungry or unsatisfied or unheard. But when
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  Speaker 1: you feed a football team at their home facility, you're
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  Speaker 1: also feeding another I don't know, a hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: potentially two hundred other team employees, be their coaches or staff,
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  Speaker 1: or just front office executives, marketing people whoever, or they
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  Speaker 1: maybe when you're on the road, you're also feeding a
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  Speaker 1: lot of support staff. So you are looking to not
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  Speaker 1: only satisfy but fuel all sorts of people who have
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  Speaker 1: different jobs and need to do different things. And I
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  Speaker 1: think when it comes down to it, healthy eating is
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  Speaker 1: healthy eating. It's just the quantities in which you do it.
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  Speaker 1: What again, we keep saying sort of the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: the same specific thing. What are you trying to do
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  Speaker 1: at what point of the day? You know, Like I
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  Speaker 1: love to say, Mike, um, I've this is one of
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  Speaker 1: the very crazy things about me. I have like recently
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  Speaker 1: just stopped loving breakfast food. So I don't understand, like,
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  Speaker 1: why can't I eat lunch food at breakfast I know exactly,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what, like I just I'm not into
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  Speaker 1: break breakfast there, so I'd rather eat lunch food at
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  Speaker 1: breakfast food. And it's this idea of what difference does
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  Speaker 1: it make? What difference does it make what time you're
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  Speaker 1: eating it. If you're going to eat your meal and
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  Speaker 1: then have a cookie, does it really matter if you
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  Speaker 1: eat the cookie before you eat your meal, as long
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  Speaker 1: as you finish your meal. It's sort of that question.
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  Speaker 1: But when you are an elite athlete and you are
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  Speaker 1: fueling your body for performance, it actually does matter what
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  Speaker 1: you eat when you eat it. But look, I got
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  Speaker 1: a ton of super fun facts from Katie, so let's
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  Speaker 1: throw some of them out there, all right, Mike, Let's
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  Speaker 1: You ready to the music Cleveland Browns, And we chose
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  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns because you know, they did have a
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  Speaker 1: tremendous year and they did perform above expectation. And because
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  Speaker 1: Joe Thomas spent his entire career with the Browns, why
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  Speaker 1: not let's go to the Cleveland Browns. And because they're
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  Speaker 1: really fabulous to work with, and so it was easy
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  Speaker 1: to get someone on the phone. Here we go. How
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  Speaker 1: many pounds of peanut butter did the Cleveland Browns go
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  Speaker 1: through every week of the season? Okay, so I'm thinking snacks,
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  Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly. I'm thinking about all the shakes
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  Speaker 1: that they were probably consuming. Because I'm a big chocolate
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  Speaker 1: way peanut butter shaped type of person. So how many
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  Speaker 1: pounds every week? Uh, I don't know, pounds higher? Lower? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is a kid I play with my son. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: thirty five pounds of peters? Okay? How many pounds of
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  Speaker 1: strawberries a week? How many pounds of strawberries? I put
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  Speaker 1: that at a higher number, So let's say fifty, keep
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  Speaker 1: going way higher. Four hundred pounds of strawberries. How many
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  Speaker 1: pounds of chicken a week? Chicken has got to be
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  Speaker 1: just an insane number because I would imagine most people
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  Speaker 1: on football teams are not vegan. You probably want to
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  Speaker 1: go chicken as opposed to red meat. Generally speaking, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to flash back in my head on some of
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  Speaker 1: the conversations I have people on college campuses, and then
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  Speaker 1: just make that number high for such a good stall.
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  Speaker 1: When you don't have an answer, you just sit here
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  Speaker 1: like this should be a lightning round. Come on, the
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  Speaker 1: pounds of chicken. Let's just we'll go three hundred seven
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred pounds of chicken a week to feed the
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns organization last year. It's a lot of birds.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, here's another little chicken nugget and that
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  Speaker 1: Katie Massik told me, well done. How many chicken nuggets
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  Speaker 1: do they eat? Well? Chick fil A is one of
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  Speaker 1: those treat meals that apparently they really enjoyed. But I asked,
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  Speaker 1: what are the two favorite meals? Like, what are the
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  Speaker 1: meals that you know guys are coming back for seconds,
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  Speaker 1: whether they should or they shouldn't. What are the ones
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  Speaker 1: that they might be packing up to take home? Number
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  Speaker 1: one is general sALS chicken and number two is what
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  Speaker 1: I am actually cooking for my family tonight. Tacos. Oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we eat tacos once a week in this house. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I ordered tacos at least once a week, and my
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  Speaker 1: house so yeah, we're on the same diet plan. I
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: like it all right, since we did peanut butter, Can
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I give you a fun peanut butter fact too, Yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of course. Okay, So the Browns make about fifty peanut
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: butter and jelly sandwiches a day, and they obviously make
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: those sandwiches on whole wheat, and peanut butter and jelly
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: is a good it's a good snack like in between
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a meeting or whatever, like you might get an energy bite,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you might get trail mix, you might get a p
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: PNJ whatever. So fifty of those a day. But on
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: game day, the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, which again
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: are a really good pregame or halftime quick thing to grab,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: are not made on whole wheat. They're made on a
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: white bread. Do you know why on game day peanut
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: butter and jelly is made on white bread. No, that's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: fascinating to me because my doctor told me go whole wheat.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: My a one C number higher than it should be
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: as I'm turning forty, so I feel like I'm ready
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to be armed with AMMO and say I want it
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: on white But maybe it's not appropriate for me. Why white. Yeah,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you're not playing a football game and you're not going
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: out for a second half because white bread doesn't have
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the fiber that wheat bread does. And so if you
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: have to go back out onto the field, you don't
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: want to have any tummy trouble. And the white bread
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: is easier to digest. So you're saying we don't want
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: like a Lamar Jackson Monday night situation that we relived.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And I said it wasn't the bathroom and he said
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: it was crams. Okay, well look still the Tommy ache. Right,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: you were there for that game, right, I was there anyway. Okay.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So broccoli and green beans are the two vegetables that
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: always go, and NFL teams always make an effort. As
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: someone who has eaten in NFL headquarters, I can say this,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: they make an effort to cook these vegetables differently, flavor
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: them differently, show that they come in different flavors. Corn
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: f y, I Mike, As I tell my son, as
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I tell my husband, and as I am now telling you,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: corn is not a vegetable. What are you talking about?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's more of a starch alright. When it comes to fuel,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it's not as good as a broccoli or a green
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: green or a brussel sprout. I love corn. I always
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: thought I was making the right call when I had corn.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: That's like a that's like a carb more than man.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: This is all right, Well, I'm glad you're educating, because
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I felt like the education was in process. By the way,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: for anyone who missed our Monday Night episodes, still one
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes of NFL, explain highly encouraged. You'd
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: hear a d D story about Lamar Jackson on that episode.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Uh and if you enjoy corn, I guess switched to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: broccoli is the other thing that I'm learning in this episode.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I am so disappointed. Make sure you have enough green
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: stuff on your plate. Which really is the perfect segue
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to be When we talked to Joe Thomas, he will
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: tell us the same way that NFL teams are evolving
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: in the way they look at nutrition. Joe evolved over
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the course of his career somewhat, but really once he
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: retired and wanted to drop a ton of weight and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: drop it healthily, well, we'll get some of those stories
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: from him. He is also one of our colleagues at
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: NFL Network. He's a guy that was a regular fixture
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: in Pro Bowl games and clearly never had an upset
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: stomach because he just didn't miss a single snap until
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: his eleventh and final season in the NFL. Add your
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Conversation with Joe Thomas Coming up next on the NFL,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: explained former offensive lineman for the Cleveland Browns, Joe Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna explain to you what I ate when
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  Speaker 1: the heart of progress. Here we go, Joe. When you
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: were drafted, you wait, what, I was three three or
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: five and you showed up to Cleveland and were they
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: happy with your playing weight? Yeah, overall they were happy
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: with the playing weight. They said, Hey, if you gain
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit of weight, it's okay, because most guys,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: when you're in the NFL, they give you a maximum
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: weight and then if you go over they find you.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So a lot of guys were kind of in that
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: ballpark where they were trying to lose weight, whereas me,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I think the weight they gave me was like three
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: twenty and I was constantly weighing at like three. So
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it was like the subtle like, hey, if you wanted
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to get a little bit bigger, we wouldn't be mad
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: about it. Obviously, you don't want to lose your athleticism
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and the quickness. But definitely it was always a battle.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Like if I came in after a practice and I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was like two nine two or two, the coach would
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: definitely mention it in a meeting in like a passive
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: aggressive manner like Tammas, what are you doing out there today,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you're only two ninety two. Make sure you're not missing
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: any one of those meals. And he's like he would
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: always have like some old man thing like make sure
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you get some of that protein shake in your body
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: after you're done with the practice, and then like coach
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: like of protein shakes like two calories. I just burned
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: like seven thousand of your practice, So I think that's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: kind of a drop in the bucket. So for you, Joe,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it was always an effort to actually keep the weight on.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It was a struggle my entire career, probably until I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: hit my thirties, as most people experienced, where I was
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: really battling, Like every day I was thinking about I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: was stressing about it. Really, I was like two every
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: two hours. Got to get a big like heavy carb,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: heavy sugar meal to be able to basically walk around
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: bloated so I could be over three so I could
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: get my coach off. But did it affect the way
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that you felt? Like? Could you sleep all right? Could
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you move? Did you you know, in the off season,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: if you didn't have to eat that way, did you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: feel different than you did during the season when you
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: had to eat that way? No, I still had to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: eat like that in the off season. So I was
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: eating like that constant. So I didn't know any different,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and it was a chore and a stressor. Like my
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: wife and I would go on vacation, we went to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Asia to visits and friends. One time was and we
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: went to like Tokyo and Hong Kong, Thailand, Cambodia. Was
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: an amazing trip right before we had kids. It was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: like the two day tip of our life before kids.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: But um, I remember I would get stressed out when
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we'll be walking around the city because I knew I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: was burning a lot of calories walking around. When you're
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: three ten and it's nineties something, you're burning calories just existing.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And so I remember stressing like every two hours a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: big they've I gotta eat. And if you've ever been
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to especially in Tokyo, it's a lot of fish. There's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: not a lot of like really dense food places that
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: are fast and easy, and so i'd be like stressing out.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: As soon as we walked past the McDonald's in Tokyo,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, we have to stop. I need a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: double cheese burger, I need a big back, let's go.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I need the galories because I was just like losing
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: weight eating sushio. Okay, so can you talk us through it? Yes,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So we'll go through like a typical Wednesday, because that's
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: kind of like the beginning of the NFL week. That's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: your first day where you're really all coming in together
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: as a team, getting ready for your Sunday opponent. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: so for me, I would get into the building around
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: six thirty and then first thing in the morning, I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: would have like a big bowl of oatmeal, and then
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I would have yogurt, like a yogurt parfait, so yogurt, granola,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: chia seeds. I'd put like flax seed protein in their berries,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and then I put honey on top because it's delicious
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: for one, but also because it was extra calories, right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So I was always looking for ways to kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: infuse more calories into my meal. And then a lot
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of times if we didn't have practice for a little while,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I knew, Okay, I can also go over and I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: can get pancakes, I can get scrambled eggs, I can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: get some bacon because bacon's really calorie dents. And then
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: with the pancakes, i'd put peanut butter I'd smother them
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in peanut butter, and then smother them in butter also
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: above that, and then tons and tons of syrup because
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: once again it's easy and cheap calories, and then I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: had time to digest it, you know, if we came
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in and we were practicing earlier in the day, because
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: sometimes during my career I had nine head coaches, so
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: we had a lot of different schedules. Sometimes if we
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: were practicing like around lunchtime or earlier or lifting, I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: couldn't have as many calories early in the morning, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: then I had to shift, like some of my bigger
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: meals to like post practice, where I would be like pizza,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: let's go, because pizza high carb, high fat, high protein.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And so there was this place called Jets Pizza and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Cleveland that we would order like after almost every practice,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and everyone was always astounded with how many pieces I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: would eat, because even on days where I wouldn't practice,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I was like I had to have those calories, especially
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: right after a practice because I burned so much, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: then I so then back up right before practice, I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: would still try to get like a hamburger or cheeseburger
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in me, and then during practice, I would make sure
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I was drinking a lot of gatorade because it's just
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: got a lot of sugar and it kind of helps
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: keep your energy up but also keeps those calories in
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: your system, so you're not burning through your fat reserves
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: during the practice and you're in a huge deficit once
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you come out of practice, when I'm going to reach
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: for that pizza again. And then when you went home,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: what would you eat? So my wife's favorite story. She
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: was the one that cooked every single meal in my
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: entire football career. I didn't even know how to boil water.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And so I would come home and we do to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: get about six and she knew, like, hey, Joe's gonna
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: be hungry. He's got to eat. It's like his job, right,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: So she would always have usually like a pasta or lasagna,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: or like meatloaf and tons of mashed potatoes with gravy,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: or like a lot of butter and sour cream and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: like just pour on the fats. But one time she
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna try making a stir fry,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: because you know, you can make a big stir fry
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: lots of vegetables, lots of rice, tons of stuff in it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: And she made it for me and it was really
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: good and I ate like two plates of it. But
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: then she noticed I was like really mad that, and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: she was like, what's wrong? And I was like, well, honey,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: your sturfry was really good, but it just didn't have
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: enough calories. And I'm probably gonna get in trouble tomorrow
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna weigh in it like to and they're
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, what the hell is going on with Thomas.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: This wasn't too much weight. We need to bulk up up.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And I didn't realize it didn't feel a couple of
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: years later, but she was like, that really hurt me.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Like I sipped a lot of time, had a lot
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of thought. I like, making you this nice meal and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: your only comment was it wasn't enough calories. Joe, did
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: she eat with you? She would, and she was like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: she was like, do you know how hard it is
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: for a woman to like sit there and watch you
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: eat four thousand calories at dinner and not eat with you,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: like for every bite. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I feel bad about that now. And I had said,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: but I didn't know, you know, I just didn't know
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: any better. Because that had been my life for four
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: years in college and then for eleven years in the NFL.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: But the thing before we get off that quick, the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: thing that people always find the most amusing is what
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I did before bed. So like during the day, I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: eating all these calories, and then the only way I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: could actually gain weight in season, because I was usually
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: trying to gain weight, especially the first half of the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: season when it was it was hot, because you just
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: burned so many more calories at practice. Later in the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: year in Cleveland, when I was fifty, it wasn't as
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: hard to gain what it's called outside. Everybody had that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: winner jacket on with a nice layer of fat. But
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: before bed, I would buy a bunch of girls Scott Cookies.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And I was a big thin mint guy, and so
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we would keep him in the freezer during the season,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and so I would go out with a sleeve of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: thin mints, a glass of whole milk, and then I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: would get a huge like bowl of ice cream, or
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: either just take the whole point upstairs of like Ben
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and Jerry's or Mitchell's ice Cream, which is a famous
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: place in Cleveland, or Whoever's Custard, another famous place in Cleveland.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I bring the whole point with the giant like it
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was probably a thirty two ounce whole milk and the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: sleeve of thin mints, and we'd sit there and we'd
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: watch TV at night with my wife and it was glorious.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Would she eat any of the ice cream or the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: sin mints? She would eat some of the ice cream,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: but obviously her bowl was like two scoops and mine
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was like or the whole court. Do you know how
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: many calories you consumed today when you were in the NFL.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I don't. And that was one of the things that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: in hindsight, as I reflect back, I'm kind of mad
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't because at that point in my career, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: didn't know a lot about diet. I didn't know a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: lot about nutrition and how it affected me. I just
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: knew that I needed to eat a lot, so I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: needed a walk around feeling super full every meal. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: had to feel like I had just finished Thanksgiving dinner.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And I knew it had to be very very heavy
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: carbs or I was going to lose weight, Like I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: couldn't do the vegetables and the proteins like it had
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: to have a lot of breads. Imposts like or just
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: straight sugar like that. Um, And I wish I would
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: have counted because now that I'm retired and I do
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: pay attention and I do understand that and nutrition a
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: lot more, I'm like, holy crap, I was probably at
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like ten thousand calories a day easy, because like, right
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: now I could go out and have a good lunch
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and feel like relatively full and it's like three thousand galleries.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: So back then it had to be it had to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: be ten thousand at least, right, So we hear about
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: coaches who you know, like are all about the specific
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: smoothies and what everyone's too taking in any of those
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: nine head coaches really very specific about nutrition. Most coaches
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they don't really understand diet and nutrition that much, but
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I think they understand that sports performance is important and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: it is kind of a way to get an advantage,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and so those guys are now hiring really good nutritionists,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: really good sports scientists that are bringing in that whole
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: side of it and then educating you. For the most part,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the coach just wants to see that your participation was
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: checked off on the attendance sheet he gets every day
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: from the weight room coach, and that you aren't getting
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: too heavy during the season. Like they got so much
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: other stuff to worry about during the season they don't
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: even really think about it. But I do think most
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: NFL teams now have a good sports science team that
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: has good nutritionists, and I think most players that have
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: come out of college recently are getting that education in
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: college because everybody finally understands how big and how important
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: nutrition and diet is for professional athletes. If you were
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to have to pack on pans now, do you think
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you'd do it differently? I probably would do it a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: lot smarter with the things that I ate. I would
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: probably eat the same amount of calorie ease, but I
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: would do it with food that was maybe better and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: would make me feel better, maybe a little less bloated,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: maybe a little cleaner, maybe a little less processed foods,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: probably a little less ice cream. But I still think
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I probably would have a lot of ice cream too,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: because it's delicious and it's high calories. Is there anything
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that you ate a ton of during your NFL career
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that you just can't eat anymore? Like? Do you still
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: like pizza? Do you still like bacon? Love pizza? I
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: love it even more now and The thing is like
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: at the time, I didn't like it all that much.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It was it was good, don't get me wrong, but
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I was eating it constantly, so I didn't appreciate it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Now that I don't eat like crap all the time,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the times that I do, like kind of let myself
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: go and have some pizza and ice cream and you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: treat yourself, right, I really appreciate it and I really
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: enjoy everybody. Do you ever have any teammates like a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: wide receiver just to yell at you, like, why do
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you get to eat that? And I, yeah, Well that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the funny thing is. And I think this is the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: reason why you see a lot of NFL linemen when
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: they retire, they get skinny because they've been fighting like
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the diet in nutrition, I don't want to say battle,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: but they've been paying attention during their career because it
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: was important. And we're not built like a receiver, like
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: genetically to be able to go out and run seven
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: miles on McDonald's breakfast, and a lot of the linemen
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they have to think about it and they understand it,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and so when they retired they realized, hey, dropping some
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: weight is going to be healthy. For the long term.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Having a healthy lifestyle is going to help me feel
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: better when I retire. And receivers and skill players by
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and large, because they're sprinting seven to ten miles in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a practice, they didn't have to think one bit about it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And like Chad Johnson was famous, he ate McDonald's all
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the time, Like every day he was going and getting
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: like McDonald's drive through for breakfast before practice, and that's
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: just what they knew. Like Hawk, my co host and
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: good friend on my podcast, he was mountain dew and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: pizza like during the season, that's all he had. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So when you retire, if you don't know anything about
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: diet in nutrition, you don't and you stopped running seven
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to ten miles of sprints every day, all of a
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: sudden you start packing in those towns. And I think
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of those guys that first like
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: five or six years they retire, they gain a lot
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: of weight, and then all of a sudden it hits
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in there like holy crap. One day they wake up
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and they feel like garbage. They got no energy, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: they don't look like they used to when they were playing,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and they're all right, I need to learn about this.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I need to get serious. I need to start living
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a healthier lifestyle and eating better. And it seems like
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that's like in their forties. So you know what it
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: really is true, Joe, I'm thinking about it. Offensive linemen
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: get skinnier when they retire, and skill guys a lot
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of them get a lot bigger. Okay, So you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: we sort of had this uncertainty your final year until
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: free agency, until March that you announced yes you are
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: indeed retiring. Was there any withdrawal? Like you said when
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you were in Asia, it was actually hard. It was
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: a chore to make sure you ate. But then when
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you had trained your body to be hungry every two hours,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: was it hard to not eat every two hours? So
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that's I think one of the challenge and playing in
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the NFL are playing football and having that mindset where
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: food stresses you out all the time because you have
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to eat it, or on the other side of it,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: if you're a bigger guy that's always trying to lose weight, Like,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: if it's on your mind all the time, it's something
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: that you you kind of obsess over, And so teaching
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: myself to eat when I wasn't hungry was one of
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the bad things that I wish I wouldn't have learned
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: when I played football, because now I have to consciously
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: think about after I'm done with the meal, like I
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: am full, I do not need to keep eating. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: should stop where everyone else is at the tables like, oh,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I'm stuff I can't have another bite, And I'm like, man,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm a little full, but I could honestly eat another pizza.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Should we order another pizza? Guys? And They're like, no, stop,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: get up the walk away from the table. Is there
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: any part of the way that you had to eat
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that you do miss? Yeah, So what I miss is
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: just not thinking about it. Like the only thing I
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: had to think about when I was playing in the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: NFL was like I just have to be eating, and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't think about like feeling full or anything like that. Now, obviously,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: if you have to pay attention to what you're eating,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you me personally after my fifteen years of trying to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: eat everything, I just have to have that consciousness about
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: what I'm eating and just slow down sometimes take a breath. Okay,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I don't need to go wake up and have breakfast
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: tomorrow morning after a huge meal tonight just kind of flipping.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: That mindset has taken a conscious effort. It's still even
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a few years out. It's just a consciousness that I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: have to have about my food because, like I said,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I love to eat a lot. I'm a big foodie.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I feel food is such a great way to experience
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: friendships and conversations and new cities and travel. And so
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: because we have this amazing job of working for the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: NFL and NFL Media as an analyst, we go to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: all these amazing cities, all these amazing stadiums that now
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: food is so much a part of that experience, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I always have fomo of like I don't want to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: miss out, Like when's the next time I'm going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: be in Houston that Nancy's hustle and get to enjoy
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: their pancakes like Nancy's cakes, Like I gotta go and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: have another round of it. What about the athlete that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you are right now, I mean you look like a
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: tight end, maybe a wide you were, Actually I think
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you might look like a wide receiver more than a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: tight end. Thank you. I try to stay lead, try
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to for the health side of it, certainly for my knees.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Like I said, doctors like keep yourself, lean, your kneeds
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: will feel better. He's absolutely true. So feeling crappy when
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you eat crappy is a big motivator to not do
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: it all the time. But do you think you have
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: more explosion now? Do you think that you're actually maybe
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit faster or more athletic? I can assure
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you that I am not even a quarter of the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: athlete of what I used to be because I just
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: don't train like that and I'm an old yogi that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: goes very slowly through life. And I'm okay with that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: In that thousand calories syrup drink, was it like eggna?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Was it good? Or was it? It's kind of like
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: it was kind of gross because it was too thick.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It was, like I said, it was just cream with
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: basically like chocolate syrup, and so you definitely small powder.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I don't miss that at all, No that I missed
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the ice cream. I don't miss that sirrup cream drink.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Was there another teammate that had to maintain weight as well?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: That would do something even more over the top? And
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: we had a player Carlos Stansby in Cleveland. He was
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: a linebacker and played a bunch of years for the Cardinals.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: We had him, and he sent his blood off to
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: this nutritionist in Florida who was going to give him
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: like the best things for him to eat for like
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: energy and recovery and performance. And I'll never forget because
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: he ate lobster mashed potatoes like that was what he
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: was supposed to eat from this doctor. And so that's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: what he ate for like four meals a day every day.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: So he would come into the locker room where he
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: would come into the cafeteria with this like pre made
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: big py Rex dish and it had lobster mashed potatoes
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and he ate it for breakfast at eight am. And
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: then he would eat the same thing at lunch. After practice,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: he would eat the same thing for dinner. And it
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: was amazing to me to think that some nutritionists thought
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the best thing for your body would be the eat
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the exact same thing for three or four meals every
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: single day. That actually doesn't sound fun. Can you imagine
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: how boring? Like one side dish of lobster mashed potatoes.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's good. The lifelook. It was great with
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a steak, but after that, I'm good. Add awesome job
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: with Joe and super grateful for him for given us
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes here. I don't know if I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: am hungry or don't want a meal. Ever, again, a DD,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I couldn't get over there was one thing that you
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: had asked him about, and I thought the answer was
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: going to be an easy Yeah, of course I'm not
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: eating as much in the off season. But the fact
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that Joe was still consuming food throughout the course of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the entire year, not football year, like the entire year
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: struck me as just really overwhelming. I mean that goes
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to our whole previous episode about a player's work week
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and work schedule. Well, it is indeed a twelve month job,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: even though there are some folks that think it's not.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And the way he was talking about gorging on a
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: whole pizza every day, it was like that might be
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the one thing, Yeah, that turns me off to pizza.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Pizza is one of my favorite foods though it really is.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And a D next time you and I are in
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the Northeast together, I'm going to drag you to the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Boogie down Bronx. Here's a couple of pizzerias that by
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the people talk about. Manhattan Pizza, No no no, No, the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: best pizza is in the Bronx and it's not Brooklyn
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: for all the people in the b K saying that,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And I think the best pizza is actually in Jersey.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I really do. See Jersey does great bagels. And I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: know where your brother lives, very close to where I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: grew up, and there is a bagel shop that I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: actually told you last time you were in New Jersey
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you had to go to and I did and I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: didn't make it. But you know, maybe we'll take Joe
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Thomas there. If he eats carbs again, I would be
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: staying away. If that's the case. I'm trying to cut
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: my carb consumption in a big way, but add the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: awesome job with Joe Thomas. Uh and by the way,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I just want to remind some folks too, we are
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: going to be doing a mail bag episode down the road.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: A d D. You have gotten some questions on social media,
• 39:51
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• 39:55
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• 40:01
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• 40:04
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• 40:06
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• 40:09
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• 40:11
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