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- Lucas: You've nailed the interviews, you've negotiated the package, you've gotten the verbal offer. And then the recruiter says, 'Great, we just need to do the reference check.' For most senior leaders, that moment feels like a formality. It is absolutely not a formality. Luna: In fact, I'd argue it's the moment more offers fall apart than at any other stage — especially for VP and C-suite roles. Lucas: Exactly. And it's because executive reference checks are fundamentally different from what you experienced as a mid-career hire. At that level, they're not checking if you showed up on time. They are stress-testing your leadership narrative for hidden fault lines. Luna: So what makes them so different? Give me a concrete example. Lucas: I'll give you one from a real case I know — a former CFO, let's call her Sarah. She was a finalist for a CFO role at a mid-cap tech company. She'd been a divisional CFO at a Fortune 500, great track record. The CEO loved her. The offer was ready to go. Then the reference check happened. Luna: What went wrong? Lucas: The recruiter called Sarah's former CEO, who said she was 'very strategic, but maybe not as operational as we would have liked.' Now, that sentence sounds mild in conversation. But in recruiter code, 'strategic but not operational' is a yellow flag that often turns red. The CEO interpreted it as: she's great at big ideas but can't execute the day-to-day. They pulled the offer and went with someone else. Luna: Ouch. And I bet Sarah had no idea her former CEO would say that. She probably assumed he'd be a glowing reference. Lucas: Exactly the problem. At senior levels, you cannot assume any reference is automatically positive. You need to pre-brief every single person you list. And I don't mean a casual 'hey, they might call you.' I mean a structured conversation where you walk them through the specific talking points that align with the role you're pursuing. Luna: So what does that conversation actually look like? Give me the script. Lucas: First, you send them a one-page reference memo. It says: here's the role I'm targeting, here are the three key strengths I want them to know about me, and here are specific examples from when we worked together that illustrate those strengths. You are essentially giving them their lines. Luna: You're writing their talking points for them. Lucas: Exactly. And you're also asking them a diagnostic question: 'Is there anything I should know about how you might describe my fit for this role that could cause hesitation?' That gives them permission to surface any concern — like the 'strategic not operational' thing — before it comes up in the call. Luna: And if they do raise a concern, you can address it right then. Maybe you acknowledge it and frame it as a growth area you've actively worked on. Lucas: Yes. And you might even decide not to list that person if the concern is too deep. But the key is: you want to know in advance, not during the call. Now, there's another layer at the executive level: you often get asked for a peer reference — someone who was a colleague, not a boss. Luna: And that's tricky because a peer doesn't have the same incentive to be positive. They might be jealous or competitive. Lucas: Right. So never offer a peer reference without having a direct conversation first. And if the recruiter insists on one, you choose the peer — don't let them pick from your LinkedIn connections. You say, 'I'd recommend so-and-so; we worked together on X project and she can speak to my ability to lead cross-functionally.' You control the frame. Luna: I think a lot of senior leaders also make the mistake of listing too many references. They think 'more is better.' Lucas: That's a huge mistake. Three is the magic number. Four at most. And each one should serve a different purpose. One who can speak to your strategic vision — usually a former CEO or board member. One who can speak to your operational execution — a COO or a direct report. And one who can speak to your cultural impact — maybe an HR head or a peer who saw you lead through change. Luna: So you're basically curating a reference portfolio that maps to the job description. Lucas: Exactly. And the recruiter will notice. They'll see that every reference hits a different note, and that consistency reinforces your narrative. But there's one more thing that trips people up: the reference for a role at a company where you've never worked, but where you have a strong network. Luna: Oh, the 'I know someone on the board' reference. Lucas: Yes. And that can backfire if you haven't prepped that person. Because the board member might say something like, 'I've known her socially for years, but we've never worked together.' That's a neutral statement that actually weakens your candidacy. Better to say, 'He's a board member I've consulted with on strategy, and he can speak to my ability to navigate complex stakeholder dynamics.' You need to give them a hook. Luna: So the common thread is: no surprises. You want every reference call to be a confirmation of the story you've already told. Lucas: And you practice it. I recommend doing a mock reference call with a trusted coach or even a friend. You play the recruiter, they play the reference. You'll be amazed at what comes out when someone is put on the spot. Luna: That's actually a fantastic idea. Most people prep for the interview, but they never prep for the reference call. Lucas: And it's the last hurdle. You've already won the race in many ways. Don't trip at the finish line. So, to sum up: pre-brief every reference with a memo, ask the diagnostic question, curate three references that each cover a different dimension, and never offer a peer or board reference cold. Luna: And if you're listening and you're in the middle of a search right now, I'd say: before you send that list, take thirty minutes to call each person. It could be the difference between a closed deal and a disappointing callback. Lucas: You know, speaking of things that make a real difference, if this episode has helped you think through your own career strategy, we want you to know that this podcast exists entirely because of listeners like you. We don't run ads, we don't have sponsors. It's just us and a small team, and the whole thing is supported directly by the audience. Luna: Yeah, a couple of dollars a month is genuinely what keeps these going. If you've gotten something out of them, you can head to buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Lucas: Even the price of a coffee helps us keep the episodes ad-free and focused on real, actionable advice. So thank you to everyone who already supports us. And now back to the reference strategy — because there's one more nuance I want to hit. Luna: What's that? Lucas: The reference check at the board level. If you're going for a CEO or a board seat, the reference process is even more intense. They often call people you didn't list — people from your past who you might not even remember. Luna: So how do you prepare for that? Lucas: You do a pre-emptive reputation audit. You ask yourself: who from my past might have a negative view of me, and what would they say? Then you proactively address those stories in the interview. You say, 'There was a time when I led a restructuring that was painful for some, and I learned from it.' You take the sting out of the story before the recruiter hears it from someone else. Luna: So you're basically managing your narrative proactively. Lucas: Exactly. At the senior level, your reputation is your resume. And the reference check is the moment that reputation gets validated — or challenged. So treat it with the same rigor you'd give a board presentation. Luna: One last question: what do you do if a reference call goes badly? I mean, you find out afterward that the recruiter heard something negative. Lucas: First, don't panic. You call the recruiter and ask for a debrief. Say, 'I understand there was some concern raised, and I'd like to address it directly.' Then you provide context. Maybe the reference had a limited view of your role. You can offer additional references who can speak to that specific dimension. But you have to act fast — within twenty-four hours. Luna: And if it's truly damaging, do you ever withdraw? Lucas: Sometimes. If the feedback reveals a fundamental misalignment — like a pattern of behavior that the company can't accept — then it's better to step back gracefully than to fight for an offer that will be rescinded later. But that's rare. Most of the time, a bad reference is due to lack of preparation, not a real problem. Luna: So the takeaway: prepare like your offer depends on it — because it does. Lucas: Exactly. And if you do it right, the reference check becomes one more data point that confirms you're the right person for the role. That's the goal. Not just to survive it, but to have it strengthen your candidacy. Luna: Alright, Lucas. Great episode. I know our listeners will get a lot out of this. Lucas: Thanks, Luna. And to everyone listening: good luck with your search, and don't skip the prep.