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Credlin | 25 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to show.
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Speaker 3: Final city week of the year, maybe the final one
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Speaker 3: of the whole parliament. He's what's coming up on credline.
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Speaker 3: As I said, final city Week. If we're headed to
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Speaker 3: an early election, it could very well be the last
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Speaker 3: time we see this current parliament.
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Speaker 1: If that.
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Speaker 3: My Labour's trying to ram through some seventy bills through
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Speaker 3: the Senate before Thursday. Dennis Shanahan joins me as election
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Speaker 3: speculation continues to grow. That massive win over the weekend
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Speaker 3: for free speech, Labor capitulating on its so called Misinformation Bill.
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Speaker 3: But given the lefts ongoing assault on free speech, is
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Speaker 3: the bill dead or just deferred?
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Speaker 2: Do we trust the Prime Minister?
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Speaker 3: Plus what started as a concern at a local level
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Speaker 3: cultural heritage laws are fast attracting the attention to federal politicians.
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Speaker 3: Another motion today calling out the way everyday Australians are
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Speaker 3: being locked out of what should be national parkland. And
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Speaker 3: as the UN's annual Climbate talkfest wraps up on the weekend,
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Speaker 3: countries like Australia and once again being asked to pay
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Speaker 3: billions to developing nations, unbelievably including China only. The Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister doesn't want you to know exactly how much.
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Speaker 4: Why is the Albanesi Labor government keeping its target a secret?
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Speaker 5: Can the Prime Minister please advise how much tax payers
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Speaker 5: money the Albanesi Labor government has committed to spend on
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Speaker 5: agreements arising from Cop twenty nine.
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Speaker 3: We'll stay with those issues and more because over the
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Speaker 3: weekend the government admitting defeat on its proposed misinformation disinformation
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Speaker 3: legislation that will now not be ram through the Senator's
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Speaker 3: previously planned But as I say, is it withdrawn? It
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Speaker 3: is withdrawn, But is it dead? Because it should be dead.
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Speaker 3: It's an appalling piece of legislation that would have added
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Speaker 3: to the existing politically correct censorship of the online world,
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Speaker 3: censorship that's hit this station, sky News and me personally.
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Speaker 2: You'll remember that during the pandemic.
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Speaker 3: Sky News was taken off YouTube for a time for
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Speaker 3: putting to their opinions about the efficacy of masks, the
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Speaker 3: effectiveness of vaccine mandates and the necessity for lockdowns, opinions
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Speaker 3: that were based on more analysis and fact at the
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Speaker 3: time and much of the official advice and now, of course,
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Speaker 3: with report after report proving just how wrong officialdom was
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Speaker 3: on those masks, on those mandates, and on those very
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Speaker 3: brutal lockdowns, particularly in Melbourne, decisions that still today are
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Speaker 3: flowing through to our young people and their mental health,
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Speaker 3: and to businesses in the CBDs as public servants are
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Speaker 3: still working from home and the little businesses that need
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Speaker 3: their trade of daily.
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Speaker 2: Workers go to the wall.
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Speaker 3: And who could forget more recently the censorship during the
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Speaker 3: Voice debate, where some of my own editorials carried warnings
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Speaker 3: even though why was right and the so called fact
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Speaker 3: checkers were wrong about the Ularus statement. It was twenty
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Speaker 3: six pages long, full of grievance and treaty and reparations,
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Speaker 3: and that's all still been played out today with the
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Speaker 3: state treaty process in Victoria underway. Wasn't the mini one
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Speaker 3: page to the Prime Minister try to tell you what
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Speaker 3: it was? And voters worked that out pretty fast. This
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Speaker 3: legislation had passed, the Senators planned this week, online censorship
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Speaker 3: would have become vastly more oppressive and intrusive. So let's
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Speaker 3: take this wing and win and chalk it up for
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Speaker 3: common sense and the Australian people's support for free speech
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Speaker 3: as an essential part of any functioning democracy. But and
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Speaker 3: it's a big butt. Don't be under any illusions that
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Speaker 3: this will come back on steroids if the Albanezer government
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Speaker 3: survives the next election, especially if it's dependent on the
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Speaker 3: Greens to cling onto office. So while it's gone, don't
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Speaker 3: for a minute believe it's dead. As free speech professor
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Speaker 3: and journalist Michael schellenberg Is said here on the program
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Speaker 3: last week, internet censorship is the holy grail of a
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Speaker 3: global left.
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Speaker 6: The effort here by the governments of the world. And
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Speaker 6: it's not just Australia, it's in Canada's and Britain, it's
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Speaker 6: in the European Union. It's to control what we think.
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Speaker 6: It's a kind of mind control. They want to control
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Speaker 6: the entire information environment.
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Speaker 3: As always, a price of democracy is eternal vigilance and
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Speaker 3: our power at the ballot box. Remember this legislation when
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister calls his election early next year, All
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Speaker 3: right now, nit zero. The Prime Minister does not want
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Speaker 3: you to know the true cost of Australia's transition to
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Speaker 3: net zero, and that's why he's reneged on his government's
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Speaker 3: earlier commitment to release the new twenty thirty five emissions
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Speaker 3: targets before the election. Here's his Climate Minister, Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 3: only a couple of months ago.
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Speaker 7: Let's just break down the twenty thirty five target and
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Speaker 7: the process.
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Speaker 1: We're obliged to do that by next February, and of
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Speaker 1: course we will.
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Speaker 2: Before the election, he says. The looming elections.
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Speaker 3: Also Our Labour's keeping its secret submission from You to
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Speaker 3: the International Court of Justice in support of obligations by
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Speaker 3: rich countries like us to meet climate targets and also
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Speaker 3: to pay reparations to the supposed victims of climate injustice.
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Speaker 3: Last year, the You and General Assembly requested the International
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Speaker 3: Court of Justice to provide an advisory opinion on countries'
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Speaker 3: obligations under international law to protect the climate and quote
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Speaker 3: for future and present generations. It's about seeking clarity on
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Speaker 3: the legal consequences for countries whose action or inactions quote
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Speaker 3: have caused significant harm to the climate system and other
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Speaker 3: parts of the environment. And does it surprise you to
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Speaker 3: know that Australia co sponsored this resolution, doesn't me? And
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Speaker 3: on December three, so in a couple of weeks time,
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Speaker 3: Australia will make its oral submission to the Court at
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Speaker 3: the Hague in the Netherlands. We know that Australia's already
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Speaker 3: made a written submission reinforcing says our embassy that on
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Speaker 3: i quote, climate change is the single greatest threat to livelihoods,
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Speaker 3: security and the well being of peoples of the Pacific,
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Speaker 3: declaring that Australia recognizes the importance of taking urgent action. Now,
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Speaker 3: what concerns me here is Australia's written submission has never
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Speaker 3: been publicly released. Now, rulings of the ICJ, they're not binding,
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Speaker 3: they are impactful and they cannot be appealed. For instance,
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Speaker 3: it was an ICJ ruling on the return of the
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Speaker 3: Chagos Islands to Mauritius, including the vital Diego Garcia military base,
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Speaker 3: that the UK Labor government cited when it recently surrendered
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Speaker 3: those islands and British sovereignty. Vanuatu, the country that's leading
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Speaker 3: this case at the International Court, says that the re
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Speaker 3: election of Donald Trump and the United States likely withdrawal
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Speaker 3: from the Paris Climate Accord makes the Court's clarification of
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Speaker 3: legal obligations even more important. That's why we all need
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Speaker 3: to know exactly what the Albanesi government has told the
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Speaker 3: Court and exactly what its plans are should it be
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Speaker 3: re elected on emissions and no global climate action given
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Speaker 3: the potentially massive costs to consumers and taxpayers. Climate mister
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen has just been at the latest UN cop
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Speaker 3: talkfest in Azerbaijan. In fact, he co chaired the specific
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Speaker 3: conference session on climate finance or reparations that rich countries
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Speaker 3: are supposed to pay to developing countries, including China. China,
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Speaker 3: says the West oh's one point eight trillion dollars every year,
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Speaker 3: even though China's emissions in just the past decade exceed
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Speaker 3: Britain's total emissions since the start of the Industrial Revolution. Now,
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Speaker 3: this push from China was not agreed to, but the
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Speaker 3: bow and Shared session did agree that wealthy countries would
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Speaker 3: pay some four hundred and fifty billion dollars every year
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Speaker 3: into this climate fund from twenty thirty five, a climate
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Speaker 3: fund that China won't pay into but will draw down
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Speaker 3: from as a supposed developing country, even though China is
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Speaker 3: the world's second life just economy and the world's biggest emitter.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe this?
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Speaker 3: And based on what the UN reckons are our climate obligations,
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Speaker 3: that means we're on the hook for some twenty billion
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Speaker 3: dollars a year that the Almeneezy government has committed us
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Speaker 3: to pay a p and won't be specific, but that's
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Speaker 3: the estimate within a decade.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is a racket and we're best out of it.
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Speaker 3: That's why it's so important this government comes clean now
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Speaker 3: before the election on all its commitments on future emissions
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Speaker 3: targets and future climate finance contributions and their costs. Now,
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Speaker 3: if the Prime Minister won't tell us, won't tell us
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Speaker 3: and help us understand why, it's because he doesn't want
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Speaker 3: you to know the truth before the election. He doesn't
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Speaker 3: want to shock you before you vote because he wants
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Speaker 3: to get reelected. Look, we've all watched those polls in
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Speaker 3: recent months, haven't we That continue slide in Labour's fortunes.
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Speaker 3: But you want to know why the Albenezi government's in
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Speaker 3: such deep political trouble here. It is since the March
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Speaker 3: quarter of twenty twenty two, that's to say, just before
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Speaker 3: the last election, living stands in this country have fallen
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Speaker 3: by eight point seven percent. Now, that's the biggest fall
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Speaker 3: in living standards since the nineteen fifties, and bigger than
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Speaker 3: the fall in living standards during Australia's last four recessions.
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Speaker 3: Now this is because well there's been no technical recession.
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Speaker 3: So two quarters consecutive quarters of bigoity growth GDP per
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Speaker 3: person or that's fallen for six successive quarters, only to
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Speaker 3: be masked by record immigration by comparison in the early
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Speaker 3: nineties recession, So this is a keating recession. Real disposable incomes.
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Speaker 2: Fell by just five percent.
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Speaker 3: As the economist Chris Richardson was reported as saying over
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Speaker 3: the weekend, there is an I quote no argument that
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Speaker 3: the fall is bigger than anything we've seen since nineteen
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Speaker 3: fifty nine, as well as bigger than the current a
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Speaker 3: client in any other OCD nation. Again, you need to
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Speaker 3: remember this when you vote. All right, that's got a camin.
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Speaker 3: Now for the headlines, Sky News political reporter Trendy McIntosh.
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Speaker 8: It's the final sitting week for twenty twenty four and
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Speaker 8: the government is racing to get over seventy bills through parliament.
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Speaker 8: The long awaited age care reforms have been given the
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Speaker 8: tick of approval. It's the biggest reform in thirty years
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Speaker 8: to a sector in crisis that we've been trying to
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Speaker 8: bring back from the print. The Prime Minister rejects claims
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Speaker 8: he's trying to rush through an incomplete social media ban
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Speaker 8: for under sixteens.
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Speaker 5: We can't make perfection a barrier to action.
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Speaker 9: At a snap hearing, anti bullying experts warn the ban
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Speaker 9: could have unintended consequences.
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Speaker 10: Booting them off social media isn't going to wind back
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Speaker 10: the clock so that they can leave the childhoods that
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Speaker 10: we did. It's going to invariably nudge them into darker,
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Speaker 10: less safe corners of the internet.
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Speaker 9: Concern shared by the Greens and tearmps.
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Speaker 2: That the legislation is designed to make parents feel better.
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Speaker 5: Whether it actually makes any difference to the safety of
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Speaker 5: their children, I think is an open question.
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Speaker 11: And what this bill does is lets the big tech
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Speaker 11: companies off the hook and I have to do anything
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Speaker 11: on safety.
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Speaker 8: The Coalition is expected to support the band this week,
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Speaker 8: despite some concerns from the backbench and Deputy Prime Minister
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Speaker 8: Richard Miles is being sued by his own chief of staff.
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Speaker 8: Joe Tawneski, has launched legal action in the federal court,
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Speaker 8: claiming nothing has been done about her bullying allegations directed
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Speaker 8: at other staff. I never imagined that I would be
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Speaker 8: in this position taking legal action has.
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Speaker 9: Come at the end of a very long and traumatic road.
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Speaker 9: Trudy Macintosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's bring a national editor for The Australia
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Speaker 3: and Dennis Shanahan. Dennis, we've spoken at the top of
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Speaker 3: the show last sitting week summer, even speculating it'll be
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Speaker 3: the last time we see this current parliament sit. That's
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Speaker 3: of course the PM cause an election before it returns
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Speaker 3: in February. It's all over the weekend the dramatic move
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Speaker 3: by the Government to pull its controversial misinformation legislation. I'm
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Speaker 3: going to ask you, Dennis, is it dead or just
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Speaker 3: deferred until after they win the election as they hope.
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Speaker 12: Look, I think that this is a deferral.
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Speaker 13: It is clear that Anthony alban As he wants to
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Speaker 13: just get rid of things that he can't pass. He's
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Speaker 13: clearing the barnacles or clearing the way through. What he
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Speaker 13: wants is to get some clear air going into next year.
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Speaker 13: We are expecting parliamentary sitting in February. Certainly they've scheduled
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Speaker 13: a budget for March, and certainly there has to be
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Speaker 13: an election next year. So I think what we're seeing
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Speaker 13: here is the government deciding what's difficult, what's too difficult,
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Speaker 13: clear it away, what we can pass, will pass, and
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Speaker 13: then just concentrate on going into the election next year
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Speaker 13: without a whole range of distractions and legislation that's hanging
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Speaker 13: about like a bad smell.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's still got plenty on these on his notice
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Speaker 3: papers in the House and the Senate. There's seventy six
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Speaker 3: other bills there, twenty of which he has already said
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Speaker 3: he wants to pick a fight with the Greens on
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Speaker 3: this is a free tafe elector reform nature positive, a
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Speaker 3: whole bunch of other stuff. Are we seeing the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 3: particularly after that result in Queensland where the Greens lost
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Speaker 3: ground at a state level, We're seeing some poor results
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Speaker 3: of them at a council level in New South Wales
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Speaker 3: and particularly even in Socialists Victoria, we're seeing the PM
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Speaker 3: perhaps in boldened to take on the Greens. Do you
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Speaker 3: think that's going to be a feature of the next
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Speaker 3: few months.
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Speaker 13: Well, I certainly think that we will see a real
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Speaker 13: fight between the Greens and Antony Alberanesi. There is no
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Speaker 13: choice for the Prime Minister. Certainly the Greens look weakened
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Speaker 13: their radical position on Gaza has hurt them in some
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Speaker 13: areas their lack of ability to actually seen to be
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Speaker 13: doing deals.
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Speaker 12: Today.
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Speaker 13: They've done the housing deal, they've given Antony Alberenese a
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Speaker 13: victory on his two housing proposals. But because they're in
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Speaker 13: a weak position, this is what they have to do.
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Speaker 13: But I think what we are actually seeing is a
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Speaker 13: real war between the Greens and Antony Albernesi because the
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Speaker 13: Labor Prime Minister, he said he likes to fight Tories,
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Speaker 13: he actually likes to fight Greens. He's been fighting Greens
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Speaker 13: all his life. And his attitude is this, you give
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Speaker 13: the Greens nothing and you take everything. Because in the end,
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Speaker 13: even as Adam Bant said this afternoon, they're not going
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Speaker 13: to support a coalition government and put in Peter Dutton
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Speaker 13: over Anthony Albanesi and a Labor government, they are always
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Speaker 13: going to side with Labor. So Anthony Alberaneesi is using
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Speaker 13: the Greens position to say, right, I'm just going to
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Speaker 13: get my way on what I can. What you don't support,
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Speaker 13: I'll embarrass you about. But he's also trying to dispel
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Speaker 13: this idea which is damaging to him and the Labor
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Speaker 13: Party as a whole.
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Speaker 12: That in fact, what we're going.
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Speaker 13: To see after the next election is a minority Labor
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Speaker 13: government and in coalition with the Greens.
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Speaker 12: Look, no one particularly now.
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Speaker 13: There's a lot of people out there prepared to say
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Speaker 13: this is the worst labor government on record, or the
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Speaker 13: worse since Whitlam, or even worse than Whitlam. But I
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Speaker 13: don't think there's anyone out there who thinks that a
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Speaker 13: labor minority government controlled by the Greens would be better.
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Speaker 13: And as Adam Bant said this evening after the housing policies,
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Speaker 13: they wave the housing policies through, he said, we will
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Speaker 13: wait till there's a minority government and then we that is,
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Speaker 13: the Greens will introduce all of those property taxes, wealth
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Speaker 13: taxes via the Labor Party. So the Greens aren't going away.
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Speaker 13: It's a very dangerous look for Antony Alberanees. He has
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Speaker 13: to be seen to standing up to them. But they're
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Speaker 13: still going to swap preferences and get each other elected
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Speaker 13: at the next election.
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Speaker 2: That point I was going to make that point.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's an empty vessel and we all sound
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Speaker 3: and fury this side of the election, and.
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Speaker 2: You know how it goes.
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Speaker 3: Of course, you know he'll do that deal line preferences.
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Speaker 3: He'll talk tough, but he'll use the numbers from the
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Speaker 3: Greens to get them over the line the disciplined way
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Speaker 3: they are. Eighty percent of those Greens preferences floated through
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Speaker 3: to Labor and slide back into the lodge if he.
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Speaker 13: Had his way precisely, and some liberal preferences actually elected
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Speaker 13: Green MPs. Now, what Anthony Albernese really hopes to do
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Speaker 13: is break the nexus between the political nexus, the appearance
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Speaker 13: between the Greens and Labor, but at the same time
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Speaker 13: actually win seats from the Greens. I think the Prime
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Speaker 13: Minister reckons he can win three to four, maybe five
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Speaker 13: seats from the Greens that would ensure his majority government.
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Speaker 13: So we've got a whole lot of things going on
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Speaker 13: at once here, and Anthony Albernese is trying to pick
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Speaker 13: on the Greens and use the Greens simultaneously.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's go the future fun because the fallout
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Speaker 3: continues from those revelations last week by the Treasurer that
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Speaker 3: the man date of the fund, the investment mandate returns
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Speaker 3: of between four and five percent, is the mandate agnostic
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Speaker 3: as to what the fund invests in, as long as
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Speaker 3: it gets.
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Speaker 2: That sort of return. Well, now it's going to be
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Speaker 2: about national priorities.
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Speaker 3: So you know, the renewable energy agenda, social housing, all
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Speaker 3: of that. A former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl says
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Speaker 3: Charmers is now a serious liability for the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 3: a future fund. David Murray and Peter Costello both former chairman,
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Speaker 3: they've slammed the move. Now the Treasurer says their criticisms
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Speaker 3: are quote unhinged and ill informed. Well, Dennis I wrote
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Speaker 3: a column about this in the Sunday Papers. It had
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Speaker 3: a huge response. Australians understand that this sounds very financially
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Speaker 3: riskinned self interested, and particularly because Labor previous Labor government
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Speaker 3: rud government put costs.
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Speaker 2: Stello on it.
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Speaker 3: They always thought this thing was beyond beyond politics, and
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Speaker 3: now it looks like a honeypot for.
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Speaker 2: Alb and Easy and his mates.
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Speaker 3: And I think reading the comments that I did, Australians
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Speaker 3: are pretty angry about it.
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Speaker 13: I think Australians are very angry about it because what
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Speaker 13: they can see is a grab for gold. It's the
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Speaker 13: first and only Australian sovereign wealth fund. People don't understand
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Speaker 13: quite the details of how it invests, by the way
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Speaker 13: it already invests indirectly in renewable projects. It does do,
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Speaker 13: has huge amount of money to invest, It is highly successful.
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Speaker 13: It doesn't need change. And the Treasure is saying, and
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Speaker 13: this is the weakness in his argument. He's saying, oh,
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Speaker 13: we've changed it to give priority to social housing, infrastructure
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Speaker 13: and renewable energies. But then he's saying, we haven't really
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Speaker 13: changed it. No, no, everything's all right. Well, if everything
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Speaker 13: isn't changed, why change it. The only reason he changed
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Speaker 13: it is to try and get more investment into renewables,
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Speaker 13: tick and housing and infrastructure, all of the areas he
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Speaker 13: described as.
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Speaker 12: The priorities for the government.
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Speaker 13: Now, this is a question of priorities for any government
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Speaker 13: of any political flavor. It is a mistake to change
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Speaker 13: the priorities of the fund, and I think it will
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Speaker 13: do huge damage in.
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Speaker 12: The public as well.
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Speaker 13: They don't have to understand the financial niceties of it
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Speaker 13: to see that this is a grab for gold from
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Speaker 13: their nest egg.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, Dennis.
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Speaker 3: And of course, if they're in renewable energy now the fund,
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Speaker 3: it's because it stacks up within that four to five
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Speaker 3: percent band if they're not in it, it's because it
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Speaker 3: doesn't stack up, and to force them into the stuff
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Speaker 3: that doesn't stack up. Australians can work that one out.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, Dennis. We'll speak again soon. Right
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Speaker 3: over the weekend we had that big win for freedom
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Speaker 3: of speech. Labor forced into a starting back down on
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Speaker 3: that misinformation legislation after widespread criticism of the bill from
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Speaker 3: the hard left, the hard right of the Senate and
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Speaker 3: almost everyone in between. Now, while this is a win,
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Speaker 3: make no mistake you heard Dennis there. If this hasn't
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Speaker 3: gone away, it's just been deferred. The government's also signaling
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Speaker 3: now it will pursue alternative proposals or what's that mean?
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Speaker 2: Joy?
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Speaker 3: You now to discuss what the next steps by Labor
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Speaker 3: might be. Legal Affairs Contributed at The Australian Chris Merit. Well,
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Speaker 3: Chris doesn't think it's going away. He thinks it's just deferred.
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Speaker 3: You wrote about potential next moves for this legislation when
22:50
Speaker 3: it was looking shaky, So it's off the table for
22:54
Speaker 3: the moment. What do they mean when they talk about
22:57
Speaker 3: alternative proposals? Are we talking about different legislation? Are we
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Speaker 3: talking about codes? Are we talking about regulation, what do
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Speaker 3: we mean.
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Speaker 14: We're talking about different legislation, And on my view, I
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Speaker 14: think it could be even worse than the misinformation scam
23:15
Speaker 14: that is now resting, if not dead. Last week, a
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Speaker 14: week or two back now, Michelle Rowland unveiled her plan
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Speaker 14: to legislate for what she described as a statutory duty
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Speaker 14: for online entities to take reasonable care to keep people safe.
23:36
Speaker 14: Now that's a mouthful, but it's a vague term, which
23:41
Speaker 14: would have the effect of creating a statutory regulator or
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Speaker 14: giving the regulator power to protect Australians from this vague
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Speaker 14: term harm. Now compare that to what the Misinformation Bill
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Speaker 14: was all about, which was protecting Australian from what a
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Speaker 14: regulator considered to be misinformation or disinformation, the.
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Speaker 7: Arbiter of truth, that's what the regulator would be.
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Speaker 14: So we'll have a regulator of truth and a regulator
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Speaker 14: of harm. And if you think about it, harm is
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Speaker 14: a much broader term. And if that goes ahead, I
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Speaker 14: think this would be even more sweeping than the misinformation scheme.
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Speaker 7: It could cover all things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me just jumping there because I've got to
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Speaker 3: grab they're telling me in my ear of that speech
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Speaker 3: and the remarks she gave at the Sydney Institute.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 11: The Albaneasy government can announce his decision to develop a
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Speaker 11: digital duty of care, a regulatory model to keep users
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Speaker 11: safe and help prevent online harms, and.
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Speaker 3: I would just see them running in concert. You know
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Speaker 3: that they come back to the misinformation legislation they get
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Speaker 3: into government. Let's say they give it another whack, and
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Speaker 3: they also that implement this as a corollary or a
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Speaker 3: parallel duty of care not to cause harm.
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Speaker 14: Look, both those approaches are based on the governments or
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Speaker 14: Michelle Rowland's refusal to accept the principle that we should
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Speaker 14: be free to say and do anything that's.
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Speaker 7: Not forbidden by law.
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Speaker 14: Now what I mean by that is, if the government
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Speaker 14: wishes to outlaw the dissemination of some information, say instructions
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Speaker 14: on how to make a bomb, let's pass an act
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Speaker 14: about that, or promoting terrorism, let's pass an act about that.
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Speaker 14: But giving a regulator a broad definition of harm or
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Speaker 14: truth that can cover just about anything, and that bypasses
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Speaker 14: the parliamentary process. It's perfectly legitimate for parliament to put
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Speaker 14: restrictions on the dissemination of information.
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Speaker 7: That is definitely harm, but it should be specific. It
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Speaker 7: should spell it out in clear terms.
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Speaker 14: Child pornography can't be disseminated or shouldn't be disseminated online.
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Speaker 14: Instead of which we've got this lazy legislative approach where
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Speaker 14: they have those platitudes instead of specific terms.
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Speaker 7: And what that does.
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Speaker 14: It's a transfer of power, transfer of liberty, if you like,
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Speaker 14: from the individual to this unknown federal regulator who is
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Speaker 14: beyond the immediate reach of Parliament. It's a very dangerous approach.
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Speaker 14: I don't think it's dead until the government realizes that
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Speaker 14: it's a mistake to move away from the principle that
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Speaker 14: we are free to do and say things as long
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Speaker 14: as they're not unlawful, as long as they're not specifically unlawful.
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Speaker 14: Anything else than that hands too much power to the
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Speaker 14: state in the form of a federal regulator.
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Speaker 3: Quick, I've got you International Criminal Court. More noise on
27:03
Speaker 3: the weekend about warrants out there for the arrest of
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Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyahoo as well as a former Israeli defense minister.
27:11
Speaker 3: On Friday, Penny Wong came out with a very vague
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Speaker 3: statement saying Australia respects the independence of the ICC and
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Speaker 3: it's important role in upholding international law. We've been clear
27:22
Speaker 3: that all parties to the conflict must comply with international law.
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Speaker 2: Now what the hecks this mean?
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Speaker 3: Does this mean that we're back in the arrest of
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Speaker 3: an Israeli prime minister who is acting inside international law
27:37
Speaker 3: and self defense provisions.
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Speaker 14: Look, it's too vague to pin down, but I'm hardened
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Speaker 14: by Pennywong's statement today. I think it was where she
27:47
Speaker 14: said she was more influenced by law than politics. Now
27:51
Speaker 14: that being the case, I think it's imperative for the
27:54
Speaker 14: government to take seriously concerns that the ICC has in
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Speaker 14: fact exceeded the bounds of its own jurisdiction. Professor Greg
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Speaker 14: Rose from Wollongong University said that on this very network
28:07
Speaker 14: an hour or so ago, and that's in line with
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Speaker 14: the assessment of Alan Dershowitz, the constitutional lawyer from Harvard.
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Speaker 14: Those are preliminary problems with what the ICC has done,
28:22
Speaker 14: but they are not the only problems. Even if you
28:25
Speaker 14: assume that the ICC is acting within its jurisdiction, there's
28:29
Speaker 14: clear evidence on the public record that the Chief Prosecutor
28:34
Speaker 14: surrounded himself with biased anti Israel advisors and preempted a
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Speaker 14: planned discussion with Israeli government officials to simply declare that.
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Speaker 7: Arrest warrants would be issued so on our terms.
28:52
Speaker 14: In our terms, it looks like a denial of procedureal
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Speaker 14: fairness and bias. It's good that pennywe should look at
28:59
Speaker 14: the legalities here, but if she does, I think it's
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Speaker 14: pretty obvious that there's something terribly wrong with these warrants.
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Speaker 3: I agree with you, you're a bit more generous to
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Speaker 3: her than I am, given her recent votes at the UN.
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Speaker 3: I am concerned. Thanks to your time, Chris after the break.
29:19
Speaker 3: Why is labor so coy about the cost set to
29:22
Speaker 3: be incurred by every Australian as a result of our
29:25
Speaker 3: latest UN climate commitments? I mean show us the money,
29:29
Speaker 3: plus a bit later on the growing opposition in Canberra
29:31
Speaker 3: against those Indigenous heritage laws.
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Speaker 2: More than that shortly welcome back.
29:41
Speaker 3: Still the calm the massive cost of going electric that's
29:43
Speaker 3: set to be incurred by Victorian businesses and household and
29:47
Speaker 3: it's on its way to your state as well. The
29:49
Speaker 3: first as I mentioned in my opening comments at the
29:51
Speaker 3: top of the show, the Aminizi Government's desperate to keep
29:54
Speaker 3: their net zero agenda secret from you because they don't
29:58
Speaker 3: want you to know the price that there are new
30:00
Speaker 3: emissions targets will cost you and your family. Now, if
30:04
Speaker 3: you think labors assaulting your power bills bad enough, wait
30:07
Speaker 3: until these new targets impact the cost of meat, fruit
30:10
Speaker 3: and vegetables and the sort of car you're.
30:13
Speaker 2: Allowed to drive.
30:14
Speaker 3: During Question Time today, on multiple occasions, the government was
30:18
Speaker 3: pushed on what their new twenty thirty five targets would be,
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Speaker 3: something we've been told would be released before the election.
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Speaker 3: What's more, wealthy nations have just agreed at the recent
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Speaker 3: COP meeting to pay over four hundred and sixty billion
30:32
Speaker 3: dollars per year every year to so called developing nations,
30:37
Speaker 3: including China, joining me out to discuss as a more
30:40
Speaker 3: deputy Liberal leader Susan Lee, Susan, you and your colleagues
30:44
Speaker 3: pushed labor pretty hard in question time today over these
30:47
Speaker 3: secret twenty thirty five targets. We're supposed to know what
30:51
Speaker 3: they are, and this is in legislation by February next year.
30:55
Speaker 2: Now there's a whole.
30:56
Speaker 3: Lot of weasel words that they have to go back
30:58
Speaker 3: and do the modeling again because Donald Trump won. But
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Speaker 3: this says to me, they must be hiding some pretty
31:04
Speaker 3: bad news.
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Speaker 4: That's absolutely right, Peter. The whole thing is shrouded in secrecy.
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Speaker 4: The Minister Chris Bowen was in the Parliament today and
31:14
Speaker 4: he's been away because he's been at COP and we
31:16
Speaker 4: asked reasonable questions about what commitments of taxpayers money were
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Speaker 4: made at that COP meeting, a question he avoided. We
31:24
Speaker 4: asked what the government's twenty thirty five target would be
31:27
Speaker 4: since they announced that they would have one, and his
31:30
Speaker 4: answer was a lot more ducking and weaving. So you know,
31:34
Speaker 4: the Labor Party's priority is to go to these international
31:37
Speaker 4: conferences and parade around and who knows what they say
31:42
Speaker 4: behind closed doors. Our priority is bringing down the cost
31:46
Speaker 4: of energy for Australian businesses and households and we will
31:50
Speaker 4: stay focused on that, but certainly don't appreciate it when
31:54
Speaker 4: we don't even get honest answers. I mean, if money
31:56
Speaker 4: has been committed, it's taxpayers money. Taxpayers have a right
31:59
Speaker 4: to know what, how and in what format.
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Speaker 3: Of course, if we're all in caretaker mode by February
32:08
Speaker 3: next year, when these new twenty thirty five targets are
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Speaker 3: due and due to be made public, they won't have
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Speaker 3: to make them public, Susan, isn't that the worry.
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Speaker 4: I think that's exactly where they're heading, because they certainly
32:22
Speaker 4: didn't want to talk about those targets today, that didn't
32:25
Speaker 4: even want to acknowledge that they had previously committed to
32:28
Speaker 4: a target. They simply wanted to do it they always do,
32:31
Speaker 4: which is to sound shrill and then point the finger
32:34
Speaker 4: at us. But we won't be put off, Peter. We
32:37
Speaker 4: know this is really important and we don't want any
32:40
Speaker 4: slippery commitments having been made, not announced, that find their
32:44
Speaker 4: way into a piece of regulation or legislation that somehow
32:49
Speaker 4: gets through this Parliament with the help of the Greens,
32:52
Speaker 4: because we know in all of these issues the Greens
32:55
Speaker 4: are not our friends. But if indeed commitments have been made,
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Speaker 4: the government needs to fess up as to what they are.
33:03
Speaker 4: The mad excuses today about what we have to receive
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Speaker 4: modeling we've got the climate change Authority. I mean, it
33:08
Speaker 4: sounded that classic thing of a minister saying I can't
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Speaker 4: control what happens.
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Speaker 2: I'm just the minister.
33:14
Speaker 4: We have to wait for these agencies, and you and
33:16
Speaker 4: I know that that is actually a complete smoke screen.
33:22
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean I've got to copy the letter that
33:25
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen wrote to the Climate Change chair at the
33:27
Speaker 3: time back in December twenty twenty three saying we must
33:32
Speaker 3: have these targets by February twenty twenty five, so basically
33:36
Speaker 3: gives them over a year to get the modeling done
33:38
Speaker 3: and all the work and says, you know, have it
33:40
Speaker 3: on my desk by October. Well we now know at
33:43
Speaker 3: the end of November. And I think what people need
33:45
Speaker 3: to understand, Susan at home, is these are new twenty
33:48
Speaker 3: thirty five targets. They'll pick up transport and agriculture in
33:53
Speaker 3: a really big way, not just energy, which is which
33:57
Speaker 3: is hurting people now, but it'll be everything come February.
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Speaker 4: And that's why they don't want to talk about them,
34:04
Speaker 4: because it's not just about what that number is. It's
34:06
Speaker 4: about what the effect that will have on your household
34:09
Speaker 4: energy bill and the cost of energy in this country.
34:12
Speaker 4: As if it's not bad enough under they're all renewables policy,
34:16
Speaker 4: we're seeing massive, massive costs and in spite of the subsidies,
34:20
Speaker 4: those costs are going to end up. They already are
34:23
Speaker 4: ending up in the pockets of consumers and for the
34:25
Speaker 4: labor Party to pretend that they've provided energy relief. I
34:28
Speaker 4: think I worked out that that would be maybe for
34:31
Speaker 4: the one year it's happening, seventy five dollars off your
34:34
Speaker 4: bill per quarter. I speak to businesses, manufacturers that are
34:39
Speaker 4: going broke around this country and those costs that they're
34:42
Speaker 4: facing are way way higher than the poultry energy relief.
34:46
Speaker 4: But again, Peter, you know, we know your viewers know
34:49
Speaker 4: that's not the point.
34:50
Speaker 2: You've actually got to get this right.
34:52
Speaker 4: You've got to have sustainable, reliable energy, and you know
34:55
Speaker 4: we want to see emissions come down, but we want
34:58
Speaker 4: to have we know that the priority has to be affordable,
35:02
Speaker 4: reliable and actually keeping Australians in business where they're working
35:07
Speaker 4: hard to make things in Australia.
35:11
Speaker 1: All right.
35:12
Speaker 3: In the keeping recessions Susan, our living standards fell by
35:15
Speaker 3: about five percent in the last two years. Basically in
35:19
Speaker 3: the time this government's been elected, our living standards have
35:21
Speaker 3: fallen eight point seven percent. We've had four recessions since
35:25
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties. That eight point seven percent is worse
35:30
Speaker 3: than any of those four recessions. It's the worst number
35:32
Speaker 3: I think since nineteen fifty nine. And in the fact
35:36
Speaker 3: and this is a record for labor. It's an unwelcome record.
35:39
Speaker 3: We've had the highest number of business insolvencies in a
35:42
Speaker 3: single month, as the data out showing that thirteen hundred
35:46
Speaker 3: businesses have gone.
35:47
Speaker 2: To the wall.
35:48
Speaker 3: I mean, if you listen to the Treasurer's spin, he's
35:51
Speaker 3: doing a fantastic job.
35:52
Speaker 2: So why don't people agree with his spin?
35:54
Speaker 3: Why are people looking at this government and being completely
35:59
Speaker 3: under filmed.
36:01
Speaker 2: By their economic management? I hope they are.
36:05
Speaker 4: I hope they're listening to the Treasurer, who's very good
36:08
Speaker 4: at the spin, as you say, PhD in politics, but
36:11
Speaker 4: it's quite economically illiterate. Unfortunately, that members of the government
36:15
Speaker 4: can stand there and act as if they're providing relief
36:19
Speaker 4: and it's all going okay and things are better than
36:21
Speaker 4: they were when they came into government is crazy. Thirteen
36:24
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty four insolvencies in the month of October.
36:28
Speaker 4: That's the highest number ever on record. That's about four
36:31
Speaker 4: businesses going insolvent every day. That's construction, manufacturing, retail, hospitality.
36:38
Speaker 4: In fact, I think there's more than three hundred construction
36:41
Speaker 4: businesses in the last month alone. How can we build
36:43
Speaker 4: the houses the next generation of Australian's need if we
36:46
Speaker 4: actually don't have the businesses employing the tradees that can
36:50
Speaker 4: actually actually.
36:51
Speaker 2: Do the work.
36:52
Speaker 4: And I just feel so disappointed when I listen to
36:57
Speaker 4: the government just not getting it. I mean, if they
37:00
Speaker 4: out like members of the Liberal and National Parties, are
37:03
Speaker 4: in these businesses talking to the owners, listening to the heartache,
37:08
Speaker 4: you know, understanding how really really hard it is, maybe
37:12
Speaker 4: they would try harder to come up with something that
37:14
Speaker 4: actually delivers some sort of relief. Or more importantly, it's
37:18
Speaker 4: not about more subsidies and law relief, it's about a
37:20
Speaker 4: better economic plan that actually gets the economy productive.
37:24
Speaker 3: Again, you're not wrong seasonally, thank you for your time.
37:29
Speaker 3: Right after the break, slowly but surely, cultural heritage laws
37:32
Speaker 3: are coming into the spotlight with emotion. Just move to
37:35
Speaker 3: hold the closure of a key climbing destination in Victoria.
37:38
Speaker 2: That just happened in the House. I'll get to the latest.
37:41
Speaker 3: Plus the growing fears of illumining gas crisis at the
37:43
Speaker 3: same time, the regulator's warning of blackouts in parts of
37:47
Speaker 3: New South Wales. Heck, it's not even summer yet.
37:55
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
37:56
Speaker 3: The shocking cost of all these ambassadors not ambassadors to countries,
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Speaker 3: ambassadors for gender and ambassadors for climate the shocking costs
38:04
Speaker 3: that they are costing you as taxpayers at the moment.
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Speaker 3: But first, what started out as a concern against rock
38:09
Speaker 3: climbers and communities surrounding Mount Rapilis in northwestern Victoria is
38:14
Speaker 3: past becoming a major issue at the federal level. Last
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Speaker 3: week I spoke with said at an amberjinproprised about her
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Speaker 3: push for a Senate inquiry into cultural heritage laws that
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Speaker 3: have seen hundreds of hectares of public land locked up well.
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Speaker 2: Today, the Nationals Member.
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Speaker 3: For Mali and Webster moved a motion in the House
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Speaker 3: calling for the Commonwealth Government to explain its position on
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Speaker 3: cultural heritage batters that are delivering gross inequities, as well
38:40
Speaker 3: as calling on the Victorian government to genuinely consult with
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Speaker 3: stakeholders in her electorate, which to date has been left
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Speaker 3: in the dark doing me Now, I'm a member for
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Speaker 3: Mali and Webster and I'll tell you what good on
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Speaker 3: you for moving this motion. I know the numbers are
38:56
Speaker 3: against you in the House. I'll be interested to know
38:59
Speaker 3: how you go. But this ban directly impacts your constituents.
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Speaker 3: What are you hearing from people, and the town of
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Speaker 3: Nattymuck in particular that so desperately relies on climbing tourism.
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Speaker 2: Looks a huge issue. Peter.
39:17
Speaker 15: We have, particularly from my point of view as Shadow
39:19
Speaker 15: Assistant Minister for Regional Health, many of the doctors, we
39:23
Speaker 15: have a neurologist, clinical psychologist, nurses who have come to
39:28
Speaker 15: Nattymuck or Horsham nearby because of their passion for climbing.
39:33
Speaker 15: So you take that climbing away and now they are
39:36
Speaker 15: saying they may go away. This is a crisis on
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Speaker 15: multiple levels. And you're right they have not been consulted.
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Speaker 15: The one report that was done between twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 15: sorry twenty twenty and twenty twenty three, they actually did
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Speaker 15: not consult with climbers at all. They were only consulting
39:56
Speaker 15: with indigenous groups.
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Speaker 3: What can you get done at a federal level, do
40:02
Speaker 3: you think with you emotion or even just raising it
40:04
Speaker 3: in the parliament.
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Speaker 15: Look, I think it's really important to simply raise it
40:09
Speaker 15: at a federal level because Mount a Rapolis is the
40:12
Speaker 15: latest in a list. We have Mount Warning, we have
40:15
Speaker 15: Lake Air. If you go back to Ularu, you know
40:20
Speaker 15: it's just even the Blainey gold Mine it's just another
40:23
Speaker 15: one of these that divides us by race. We had
40:27
Speaker 15: a referendum last year in my electorate. Seventy eight percent
40:32
Speaker 15: of people said no, we don't want the voice. We
40:35
Speaker 15: want to be one nation treated fairly, treated equitably, and
40:40
Speaker 15: that's not happening with these cultural heritage laws.
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Speaker 3: The last time we spoke, correct me if I'm wrong,
40:46
Speaker 3: didn't we have an issue with Lake Tyrrel and a
40:49
Speaker 3: bloke who owned a caravan park near that area who
40:52
Speaker 3: wasn't able to develop it for tourists because of things
40:56
Speaker 3: like these heritage laws.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 15: Spoke to Murray today and he has said he has
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Speaker 15: heard nothing. The Alan government brought up the reporter from
41:14
Speaker 15: Tasmania and academic who did lots of talking with people
41:18
Speaker 15: and tests, and there has been nothing. In fact, it
41:22
Speaker 15: wasn't Alan, it was Taniel Plibasek who got the report
41:25
Speaker 15: and so far we've had no information. So he is
41:28
Speaker 15: still hanging by a thread wondering whether he can go
41:31
Speaker 15: ahead and develop his private property. I think Australians need
41:36
Speaker 15: to ask the question what's next.
41:41
Speaker 3: And of course you know at that area, at the lake,
41:44
Speaker 3: you've got this viewing platform, the sunsets are amazing. I've
41:48
Speaker 3: read some stuff about how it's a real tourist destination.
41:51
Speaker 2: People go up your way, they.
41:52
Speaker 3: Do the silos tour in and around the Wimmera and beyond,
41:58
Speaker 3: and they go there and they want to see the sunset.
42:00
Speaker 3: There's no where they can stay in Lake Tyrol or
42:02
Speaker 3: there's not enough accommodation. They can't pull their van up.
42:05
Speaker 3: And this is what it's about. Hey, while i've got you,
42:08
Speaker 3: I often talk to a called Glendon Watts. He's a
42:11
Speaker 3: farmer around the sort of Charlton area. Get in your electorate.
42:15
Speaker 3: A huge fight there, you know, well in relation to
42:18
Speaker 3: these transition transmission towers going up and there's some fifty
42:24
Speaker 3: plus wind projects i'm told on the cards for your electorate.
42:28
Speaker 3: I know people talking to me are pretty angry about that.
42:31
Speaker 3: Are they getting anywhere your community with getting consultation on
42:36
Speaker 3: these projects at the very least?
42:39
Speaker 2: Look, I don't think so.
42:41
Speaker 15: I think fundamentally what we're seeing is labor behaving like
42:44
Speaker 15: feudal lords, and farmers are being treated as peasants as
42:48
Speaker 15: if they don't own the land that they're farming. It
42:52
Speaker 15: is all out of whack, and farmers and their communities
42:56
Speaker 15: just want to be consulted, and TCV have done a
43:00
Speaker 15: very poor job. And now we've got mineral sends mining
43:04
Speaker 15: companies who are really struggling to get support from local communities.
43:09
Speaker 2: And again it goes back to social license.
43:14
Speaker 3: And thank you for your time, Thanks for your advocacy
43:16
Speaker 3: on behalf of the people of Mali. Shout out to
43:18
Speaker 3: everyone living in Ann's electra too. I grew up with Witchyproof,
43:21
Speaker 3: so special piece of my heart is out the Malley
43:25
Speaker 3: Way all right, after the break half a trillion dollars
43:27
Speaker 3: a year to pay for what amounts to climate reparations
43:30
Speaker 3: from US to places like China and China then says
43:34
Speaker 3: it's not nearly enough. Plus fhere is of alluming gas
43:37
Speaker 3: crisis and the cost almost forty thousand dollars to change
43:41
Speaker 3: your home from gas to electric in Victoria.
43:49
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring him a panelful tonight.
43:51
Speaker 3: The wonderful Keith pit LMPMP joins me now and senior
43:55
Speaker 3: fellow the Men's Research Center columnists with The Australia, Nick Cata, Well,
43:59
Speaker 3: I tell you what these cop climate talk fest so
44:01
Speaker 3: we didn't have them to discuss every November, we'd run
44:05
Speaker 3: out of things to talk about I reckon. The fund
44:08
Speaker 3: was originally Keith Pitt one hundred billion dollars when Malcolm
44:12
Speaker 3: Turnbull signed Australia up.
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Speaker 2: It's now four.
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Speaker 3: Hundred and sixty one billion. China wanted to be one
44:19
Speaker 3: point eight billion a year. This is a massive increase.
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Speaker 3: We don't know in Australia how much we are.
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Speaker 2: On the hook for.
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Speaker 3: But just on the China stuff. They're supposed to be
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Speaker 3: a developing country, the world's second largest economy and the
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Speaker 3: world's number one emitter, and.
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Speaker 16: They wanted one point eight trillion Peter trillion dollars and
44:46
Speaker 16: what will they do with it? Well, right now they're
44:48
Speaker 16: building three hundred gigawatts of coal, so six times Australia's
44:51
Speaker 16: coal capacity roughly are going into China.
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Speaker 17: They are not a developing country. They are developed.
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Speaker 16: And once again, this is pretty much what the Left
45:01
Speaker 16: does and what they've always wanted to do for a
45:03
Speaker 16: long period of time. They want to take the wealth
45:05
Speaker 16: away from people that have earned it and they want
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Speaker 16: to give it to others that want it, and this
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Speaker 16: is just another mechanism to make that happen.
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Speaker 2: And nick I mentioned as out at the top of
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 3: I think it bears repeating China's emissions in just the
45:19
Speaker 3: past decade alone. They exceed Britain's total emissions between the
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Speaker 3: start of the Industrial Revolution until today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole process was flawed from the start. I
45:36
Speaker 1: think as soon as they gave in and decided that
45:38
Speaker 1: China and India should have developing country status came over.
45:42
Speaker 1: So we now have Peter, We now have China, India
45:46
Speaker 1: and soon the United States, who will not be part
45:48
Speaker 1: of the Paris Agreement. Between them, they're responsible for sixty
45:52
Speaker 1: percent of the world's emissions. At this point, I think
45:54
Speaker 1: Australia should be asking why are we in there? I mean,
45:58
Speaker 1: why are we punishing ourselves and being forced to commit
46:01
Speaker 1: ourselves these large amounts of money. And it's not clear
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Speaker 1: to me where how this money is spent, where it goes,
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Speaker 1: what accountability there is in it, whatsoever. It's just a
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Speaker 1: huge slush fund. And let's never forget, of course, that
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Speaker 1: Antonio Gutaris, the head of the UN, is the former
46:19
Speaker 1: head of Socialist International and a former Socialist prime minister
46:23
Speaker 1: in Portugal.
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Speaker 3: And let's not forget seventy thousand people turn up in
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Speaker 3: Azerba Jan. I mean, that's where the money goes and
46:32
Speaker 3: I know you look at some of these developing countries
46:35
Speaker 3: African you know, warlords and others that turn up. Some
46:39
Speaker 3: of them are pretty dodgy characters right around the world.
46:42
Speaker 3: They stay in five star hotels, they fly at the
46:44
Speaker 3: pointy end of the plane. This is what it's like
46:47
Speaker 3: at these international events. Of course, Australia wants to host
46:51
Speaker 3: the next one in twenty twenty six, and we find
46:54
Speaker 3: out Nick they couldn't make that decision in Azerbajan, and
46:57
Speaker 3: it's been deferred until June, helpfully for the government, that's
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Speaker 3: after the likely election. But surely, please Peter Dutton's got
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Speaker 3: to say we won't host it if we win.
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Speaker 1: He has maybe we'll get the Commonwealth Games back instead, Peter,
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Speaker 1: but no, we should not host it. Is it is
47:19
Speaker 1: a circus we do not need. I will say this.
47:21
Speaker 1: So for the cop process this year, there was a
47:24
Speaker 1: lot of focus on nuclear. You didn't read much of
47:27
Speaker 1: that in the report. Because now thirty one countries have
47:31
Speaker 1: signed up to agreement to triple the amount of nuclear
47:34
Speaker 1: by zero by twenty fifty. So I think through necessity
47:40
Speaker 1: it is moving in the right direction. But it's a
47:43
Speaker 1: very laborious and bureaucratic and expensive and top heavy process.
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Speaker 3: And let's not forget too when I talk about warlords.
47:52
Speaker 3: The Taliban had a seat at the table in Azerbaijan.
47:56
Speaker 2: Let's stay on energy if we can.
47:57
Speaker 3: Keith, the boss of West Farmers, says we are my
47:59
Speaker 3: off pick about approving new gas developments on the East coast,
48:04
Speaker 3: says it's a contributing to a looming gas crisis that
48:07
Speaker 3: we are facing. We've got a whole lot of I
48:10
Speaker 3: think it's new South and Wales's energy companies warning of blackouts.
48:14
Speaker 2: But we've got this data out of Victoria.
48:16
Speaker 3: Plumbers are saying it's going to cost an average household
48:19
Speaker 3: somewhere between eighteen thousand dollars and thirty six thousand dollars
48:25
Speaker 3: to get rid of your gas appliances and go electric.
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Speaker 17: Peter, it wasn't that very long ago.
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Speaker 16: Victoria said it would be under ten and in fact
48:34
Speaker 16: they'll give you a couple of thousand dollars to make
48:36
Speaker 16: it happen.
48:37
Speaker 17: I remember the comments at the time.
48:39
Speaker 16: So if you think about this, you have to dig
48:41
Speaker 16: up your yard, in your garden, get out to the footpath, somehow,
48:43
Speaker 16: get additional cable in into your house. Rewire it all,
48:46
Speaker 16: take out all your gas appliances, and if you live
48:49
Speaker 16: in a high rise or you have to actually cut
48:51
Speaker 16: that into masonry and blockwork and everything else.
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Speaker 17: It's an incredible challenge. It's very difficult.
48:56
Speaker 16: It costs a lot of money, and for what Because
48:59
Speaker 16: Victoria doesn't want to develop any more gas. Well, I
49:02
Speaker 16: just think it's a ridiculous proposition. And what you've said
49:05
Speaker 16: earlier is exactly on the money. We're going to have
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Speaker 16: challenges again this summer because there's just not enough capacity
49:11
Speaker 16: in the network. We don't have enough contingency that works.
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Speaker 3: Let's go down to Victoria and he can help me
49:17
Speaker 3: square this circle. So maya demon goes to a women's
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Speaker 3: rights rally. Nazi's turn up nothing to do with her.
49:25
Speaker 3: She gets thrown out of the party or out of
49:26
Speaker 3: the party room. She's still a member of the party.
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Speaker 3: But there's a Victorian MP is a good guy, Brad Batten.
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Speaker 3: He hosts a rally. Nazi's turn up to that he leaves,
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Speaker 3: he doesn't get thrown out of the party.
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Speaker 2: John Persudo has got nothing to say.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. John Persuto's silence on this one is very interesting.
49:46
Speaker 1: If he's consistent, then of course he should show move
49:49
Speaker 1: to throw both those people out of the party. That
49:51
Speaker 1: would be a terrible outcome. Of course, I really think
49:53
Speaker 1: that this idea that because neo Nazis happened to turn
49:57
Speaker 1: up on the fringe of some meeting, you're not allowed
49:59
Speaker 1: to part participate. We've really got to look at this.
50:02
Speaker 1: This is a threat to free speech. I mean, the
50:04
Speaker 1: Nazis can effectively threat shut down moderate voices by just
50:08
Speaker 1: turning up. I think we have to find some other
50:11
Speaker 1: tactic we're dealing with these people.
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Speaker 3: You are absolutely right there, nicator. Thank you both for
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Speaker 3: your times. See you next week, or if that's it
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Speaker 3: for me, see you tomorrow night at six. He's Andrew