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Wer hat Nord Stream gesprengt und warum schweigen die Medien bis heute? – Prof. Ola Tunander · Gegen den Strom

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This was desideed already before the explosion to plase so that
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means that the americans new exactly was going to happen.
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I'm have a seen an ising like that before because we're have
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to you us präsident standing that's things that we will
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destory your energy. Security and you will get into
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Real Trouble and Olaf Scholz so standing that beside them and
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saying that we are working clothing with the americans.
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What do be really know about the blowing of the nordstream
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pipeline? Gegen den Strom zur Person.
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Hallo bei gegen den Strom. Wir präsentieren Positionen und
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Perspektiven, welche die Propagandamedien verschweigen am
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26 September 2022 wurden die Ostsee Pipelines Nord Stream 1
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und Nord Stream 2 in die Luft gesprengt.
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Damit schnappte die Energiefalle für Deutschland zu.
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Der erfahrene Journalist und Rechercheur Seymar Hersh aus den
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Vereinigten Staaten belastet seine eigene Regierung.
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Die Regierung der Vereinigten Staaten.
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In Europa hat wie kein anderer Professor Ola Tunander vom
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Friedensforschungsinstitut in Oslo diesen Fall erneut
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untersucht und wir diskutieren heute, wie belastbar die
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Ergebnisse von SEMA Hirsch sind und was wir darüber hinaus in
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der Zwischenzeit herausgefunden haben.
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Welcome Ola tunander it's a great blash out to have.
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You here thank you, we re much. What it you find out what do we
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really know about the blowing up of the nordstream potlines?
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We know what happend during see stays and we know what happend
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before the history and you can't say when the comes to the
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history. We know that from 1980 one the
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regon and mistration was very upset about the gast partlines.
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It was a gaspipeline but win sowjet union at a time and
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Germany West Germany and the people like ci direktor KC
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secretor Defence, Winburger and Natural Security Advisor Dick
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Alan, We're strong legained the Pipeline and want it to stop it.
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And the acording to the galan and this deputy tom reed they
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actually suxided in detonating explosion against the pipeline
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in ninetenator two, so but german's and russians or soviet.
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They continued the Prozess. And this is the pipeline bekam
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the very foundation for the dialog between Europe and
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sowjetunion between galbatschow and the German and it bekam very
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important foundation for the end of the cold war.
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The Cold war because it created trust between the europeans and
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the. And the russians so this was
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mostinportant i think for for the end of the code war and also
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for the successs of the talks between galbatschow and resident
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Reagan in the mit atis mit at atis, so this is the background
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for the the roll loser pipelines the pipelines.
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Have the same role as you're can say just coal and steel
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community offer offer the second bore that's red and that to the
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european union so actually this was a foundation for a real
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change of policy and serton part of the american.
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Security it was against it all the time so for example, dic
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chainy was a secretor defence around nineteen nineteen juring
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the George Ash w Bush presidency he was against the is pipelines
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strongle and he want it axued to to destroy soviet union, not
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just soviet union, but also Russia.
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You're russia to be made into a small p c's, circles, big and
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and off to two thousand when the diskussion of the nordgin
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pipeline started the chaining was strong against the pipeline
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and that was also the kase with his is.
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Strong loyal later assistant sector of state victoria newland
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noland was a people of chainy and and also but will support
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and person was scocraft was a natural security advisor for
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George HW Bush. And his his supporter was
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condolis arrise who be game later secretor of state and so
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so, and this two people played and important roll in after two
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thousand when condolis arrise set in two thousand fifteen two
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thousand fourteen so told German TV.
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That Germany has to change is energy dependacy from rufia to
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uniteed states and uniteed states have very good gas
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posibilities and this lng with was or costly them the rushing
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gas, but he's that it's time. For Germany in now to change and
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do calls, this would not be posible to change without
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blowing up the pipeline you can you can't ask germany to changes
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energy dependance and get some of invuction more expensive so
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actually from two thousand and forteen you can see that the
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americans that desideed to take. Out the pipeline and you have
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from this here from two thousand sixteen, they started with a
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mastie production of lng, which would be the nessiser
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replacement of the rution gas for germany and two thousand
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nineteen nineteen they have a lot of talks about taking out
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the pipeline. And for example, National
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Security Advisor John Bolton we was working on the condol is a
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rice, bevor he begabe National Security Advisors under Trump
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and he's at trump at the pipeline on the table this he at
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but he coolen design boltons it he's shoot have katitoff.
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All the at that time two, so it and and he can he was you know
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to now he can design and that's is not untypical for Trump.
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Bolton sit but actually later trump sit just last here he's
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that it was not. It was not Biden, no deside it
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to take out to pipeline. It was I did it.
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I did it Biden just a proved mind decision so acording the
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acording to trump he actually to decision off the off the john
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bolton that end it he's position as a National security advisor,
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so you in two thousand twenty some time.
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Mabilate two thousand twenty trump to to decision and and
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then Biden set in February twenty two that if russia endos
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ukraine that world be andy nordchim pipeline Andy longor.
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And that's two what that for top and and we know and and and so
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from the background you can't say we know that the the
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americans have be in disgusting and preparing for taking out the
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pipeline from nineteenates. And the Nord Stream pipeline
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from all it two songs and when it start it's the building of a
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pipeline and that is effekt. That means the interruption the
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destroing of the energy partnership between Russia in
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Germany was a long term geos turtadic goal of the United
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States. Yes, so it it's vericlear that.
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And you can say the strengs of unite states.
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Is you know to sumics and economical, but the most
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important as always bin the security garanties and security
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support from unite states, and if you don't percive Russia as
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an enemy, then you you loose all is inflance in Europe.
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Uniteed States bekam we'll become normal contry and that's
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that was unaceptable for the americans they want to to have a
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special influence in europe and and bicutting the pipeline they
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got that and you you destored the posibility of the the peace
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that was. The open's up off to the Code
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war so in the Night in nightes many People's believe in a
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posible Paseful development in Europe and inrelation to sowjet
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Union and uniteestates and is sowjet union and late orafia,
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but the we're important powerelite in uniteestates and
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also some in Europe. That want to to cut off this
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kind of relationship, and they did the first.
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Secretary General of Nato Lord Is may that Nato was found to
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keep the Americans in to keep the Germans down and to keep the
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russians out the solved union out and so the blowing up in the
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pipeline could be part of this strategy.
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Ja, ja, true. It is so is.
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You can see it's defently is the case that if you log at what
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have and in the end of the code war that that dictioni and and
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scocraft they were they want to to expand nato and bakers that
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that ok, but we can tell the russians.
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And Bush all so actually is at this in this terms so bakers at
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we promist not to exstand nature, and but when he win back
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to scocraft and chainy is at opposit and that will calls
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bekam a Problem and you have this elite the power elite
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around chainy. That we're very port and in the
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night is or or off to two thousand and they have decideed
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that they have to take out the pipline and so this is a you can
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say the historical background and you have to for in the fashs
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committee in the congers that's as you know we have to take out
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the pipline and this was in two thousand.
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Two thousand nineteen so it's it's it's in general that we're
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important part of the security estaplishment in United states
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that want to to take out the pipeline, then we can comed to
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the fact what actually happens so very days when it was taking
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out and i stud it. The posate us of the posate on
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aircraft, the american posate on aircraft that we're on aircraft
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us for maritime survayance to find submarins under under the
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surface, and that we're one station on keflavik, island and
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another. In the in the mediterranian at
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cigonella Italy and the posadum flights in from cigonella went
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around mediterranian to find out about submarine activity in the
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mediterranian and the flight from keflavik went in the North
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atlantic area in the norwedency and in the.
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Nov in the also up to the barrance and so on and the run
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greenland, but in certanocations they went into the baltic and
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that was from the sigunella aircraft in in the meditranian
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on sicily they went up on the trice and that was doering the
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baltops exercise. In you and twenty twenty two in
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the in the Baltic, see it was a baltops is a regular.
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It's jährlich xasize that you have in the baltic see and and
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then you and this airplane went up to cuxhaven to nordholz Air
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Station Naval Air Station all like Cuxhaven and it operated.
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Back and for from from nordholz over the bolt XC doering this
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week and doering the bolt durch's boltops exercise and
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etwas of plane coming down from kefla weak island and everday
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doering, the boltops exercise and and when over the soft Bolt
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XC. Area easto bornholm well you
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have the exersize and the exersize was about mining the
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Sea minds and it inkluded diving on this on the surface area and
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the problem was when the coms to this event's after.
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After the boldtop sixes i's in you in this two air, this
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airplanes from sigunella italy and from keflavik, i is an went
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down doing the days around the the destruction of the of the of
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the pipline so the went out one flight to nordholz.
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And went twenty thirt to twenty fift the days, bevor the twenty
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Six was the explosion so twenty thirt to twenty fift this
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aircraft went over the bornhome islands back and for doing the
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night, and if you you're menschen, the samer hersh
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artical and he are you that you one to use posade on aircraft.
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For jobing solnar boy that what send a code is signal to the
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explosives and that and to the timers actually for the
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explosives that he are good that this is what happend and he
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thorts and that novidian posade on aircraft.
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What a done that because that was.
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The kind of preplaning but actually is a no weding
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aircraft, posade and aircraft. We're not ready for it so that
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had to go up with the american aircraft from mediterranian up
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to do that and then on the very they or night when the explosion
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to play a posade and aircraft from keflavik island when down.
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Oh down to the boltic see and it went passing the soft norway at
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the very moment of the explosion and the right to the place of
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explosion one our later so it started two ours, bevor the
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explosion from keflavic it went down.
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To the plase of the explosion and games that one our later,
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it's an was refued at over over Poland, but is was air refueling
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so it was a tanker aircraft coming up from spangdalan
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airbase Klose Luxemburg in Germany.
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Up to and meeting the posadion aircraft and the and the tanker
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aircraft left in the very minute.
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What the explosion to plays and then went up to polen and that
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meeting the posadion aircraft and refuel it for one our or lit
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with morasinkip and then we and the tanker aircraft went back to
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spang dalam. And then to the posadion
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aircraft and up of the sovan boltic sea it is to bornholm in
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the area of the explosion and then patrol this area for
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forovers and then when back to catlobic and that means
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cuplosing's firstly that in. It when it with back it, it can
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to the place the position of the explosion at no altitude and
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immidity of the words it when it clarm to ten thousand meter, so
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it me that it's interest, we're certanly the explosion and the
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patrol the area of the explosion and.
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The area closer to to rush it to the the baltishk the the Russian
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navalbase baltishk so it was the it certainly was interesteding
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if there was any russian submarine go out that you can't
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but the blame on for exaple and and but you can see for sure it
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wasant. Because if it have been, we have
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been, we have no not at this time and and secondly you can
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see that the planning for this patroling of the plate of the
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explosion was made long bevor the explosion.
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Because the aircraft left two as bevor and you have some
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preplaning when you're live an air you, you have an aircraft
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leving you you it's not deside it in them very minute it
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happened so to speak and the same goes for the tankra
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aircraft and the unly posibility for the posade on aircraft to
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operate for for ours. Of the area of the explosion and
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sovern boltic see what be that you have refueling of the
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aircraft because the aircraft would have easly gone from
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keflavic two sovern boltic and back without refueling, but
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because it have was going to patrol the arrea for
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severalowers, then it has to be refueled.
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And this was desideed already before, bevor the explosion to
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play so that means that the americans new exaktly was going
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to happen and and they d not inform the Germans or as we
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novity and they did not the form the russions, which means that
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they are. Directly part on the operation
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and you go see all my surtonly there also the Controlling in
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the hole Operation. As harsk, i can understand that
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means both poseidons both aircrafts.
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We're monitoring the situation and one posidon aircraft plays
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the boy to signal the bomb is that right.
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The you have the zoner boys that adroped from posate on aircraft
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have a parasut so they go down with not to to fast so it's
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should be made in. And the problem when it it's the
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surface, so it's it's and what you if you go to what's samer
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horst Road and he's artical which was detailed on is a
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specific point was that you have to code it signal as that's to
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trigger the timers of the bombs. And that is you know
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efficientway to do it because you don't have to you don't have
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to pass andy, Andy, boarders and so on you just fly over the
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problem was if this sonar boys with a code it signals if they
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was the post to be drop bei bei no wedan posade on arecraft they
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would be in norway at a timer. And what you find was at hercles
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aircraft from Sigunella Italy Wendt to andoia airbase in
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Farnalf on Norway of you. There's bevor and then back so
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it fatch jumping at the andoia airbase and andoia airbase is
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vericlos to eveness. What you have the no reading
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posade on aircraft and because the eveness is not or what not
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developed problem at the time, so what you if you would have
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some important instruments so on they would be storeed at andrea
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albis so what happen was that. The Herkules aircraft Wendt up
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to andaya and fett something and that was done and at the
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sametime it can in a posade on aircraft from from keflavic most
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likely with a senior officer to just hand the situation and and
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then the hercles aircraft wendpack to sigunella.
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So that what mean that the sornar boys that we're suppose
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to us to trigger the the explosives or trigger the timers
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radap for the explosives. We're like the fetched at that
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moment so you get got them in sigunella and.
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So i think you know you can you can prove that posade on
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aircraft droped sonar boys when this when it went from from
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nordholz airbase cuxhaven over bornholm and them back, but you
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go see it's very like lip. And White, what do what do it,
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they do that i can it was not on exercise it was the operation it
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was do in done do in the night and if you're look at at the
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flightradar twenty for and some also is flightradar websites you
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find that is all was no. Militar aircraft up do you is a
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night and this militar aircraft is have a operation of roll so
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you can see it was an operation that was cared out, but from
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nordholz airport or naval as station is corlizing or airbase,
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so it was a and the same you can save with a.
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Was the kefla week it plained on the twenty six of september,
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it's left at twelve cockri in the night or and and arriveed
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free hours later at bornholm, just east of bornholm what's
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explosion to plays. One, one our bevor is playing
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the out, so it's it's the II think it's is no dot that is is
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the case you can't are you that the was some it was a small
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ukraine and sailing boot. Or a small sailing board with an
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six man or fyman one woman, i just crew going out from from
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germany and then up to and this that's bean riton they're not in
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German media, i just beagle and zeit and so on and.
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And they probleed it's something and they they have a ukraine
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flag on the sailing boat that is it all the harbors on on rugan
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and bornholm and sov sweedon and so on so they were very aktiv
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showing off and and they clame that they have in diving.
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And they good up on that they would up in diving, but you're
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all the had at the sametime you have the three American lodge
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navalships in the exactly the same area on the twenty fast of
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September. The Days bevor the Explorions.
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You have the carsage with was a two and a fifty meters small
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aircraft carrier you know at the very positions at the explosions
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and and the the rescue vessel from the christians öhr.
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Also a small island, nov east of bornholm, the realize that it
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bosesh cuple of ships there and they they didn t responed to
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radio and they i the a is eis signals with toned off, so it so
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they wind up there. And See what what what Kind of
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ships is there that behave in this way and it turnt up that it
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was shoot you is navalships and and they bure there actually to
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do something and then the there's afters they have to
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baltic see and and that was a. If you're think it's ukraine,
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some ukraine sailer or do you think it's US navalship maybe
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both hat some think to row something to do will it, but
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it's i think the capability or the US ships is enormes and
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they're calls would have a small.
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Small submarine operating is it. Is it physicaly possible that
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two a three divers from a sailing yacht?
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I going down and to plo to plase the explosives.
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It's some some very well trained divers and one good or costs
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imagine that is. I'm ins what they.
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Dising that for a dimiters. They would go down to a dimiters
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but wind it they go to a dimiters when they when they can
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place this explosivs muster the area with you have this
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pipeline, it's forty to forty meters or fifty meters so why
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what you do it in a in a sokold bornholm basen what is a
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deepwater? White do you go do that i it,
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it's it's it does an make sense, so it it's it's really done at
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the plase where it's you like a difficult for yourself, so it's
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it's technically it's possible, but it's it's where it's unlike
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it that this was the media actor in this kase.
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And do there they all so some people argue the was a Ukraine
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politition now living in Belarus.
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I'm think there'kash unrick therekash who clamed that they
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have a recruted people, the Americans the hed OCI in Kiew.
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Hat recruted people with was specialy stivers actually to do
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and they have been training also at the pipeline in Romania in
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the Black sea, so it it means that they need it some kind of
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the cover, so need it plausal of the niability so hat.
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Have to put to blame on some one and because and that is you know
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that is what you was military forces and the CI and so on all
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is right to do so because he you're not have to put to blame
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on yourself, so you're that's some one is supposeed be do
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something and and that was also the case with an no videos.
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They want to to have no videos to do it.
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They can't are down it where well them selbst, but they
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prefer to have no videos doing it because and you can't have to
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blame on the no videos and then wedance or can't have to have
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you can see an interest because they were for them.
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It was you know there. Russian German Pipeline was a
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competitor competit to the new vedian pipeline and the vedance
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pipeline's for very have a important roll for germany and
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now and also for rest of Europe for Center Europe and but what
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happend in the September. Twenty twenty two was that they
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will going to open up a new hudes pipeline from the from the
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new reedan gasfields to poland and this pipeline was the post
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to be or it was inogorated on the twenty seven of September.
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The day off the. The norgin pipeline we're take
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in out so extra the the boltic pipe as it was gold that was a
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noridian dänish Bolt Polish pipeline the wendt over from the
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noridian air gasfels over dan mark and then to polen and this
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pipeline. Was a Post to replace the Nord
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Stream pipeline when comed to capacity and so on, so it means
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the day before the innogation of this pipeline, some one to out
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the the the russian german pipeline and the problem for the
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norway. Was a calls that if you have an
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inogeration to they after you destroy you're media competitor,
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there's looks very bad, so what happend was at the no vedan
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prime minister didnt participate at the inogeration in shiting i
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think is and. So it was the Polish Präsident,
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the Polish Prime Minister and the and the dänish Prime
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Minister. We participated in the
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inogeration and and the norweed and Prime minister consulties
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participation fardays bevor and you good you median that that
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something very important. But he did he was looking at
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some figers in the budgets that very they so it was nothing it
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was nothing happning so to speak and and he was sub and this was
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an inogration of a and or it was a mosts important inogration
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that year or in several years and he didnt go because equutent
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go. Because that what have been a
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celebration of the destruction of the notring pipeline so that
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means at fardays bevor or sixdays bevor or sevendays bevor
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he would have beeninformed that explosion what take place and so
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then you have to think we're was it i'm in he had the twenties of
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september sevendays bevor. He at the primines Office
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announced in all newspapers that he was going to polent for the
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inogration of a pipeline, but then he went to unite to state
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and was at this very time. He was brieft for at one days
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briefing ons by the UA secrator of the navy at.
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At an Naval Naval Station in Norfolk, Offside, Washington,
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and he was also brieft on the aircraft carrier get alford and
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then he win to to new york to the UN.
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And mit sekretar blinkin and then went back on the twenty
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second to to norway. Oh twenty second twenty thirt so
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it means that he he actually he consult this visit to to the
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inogoration. Because of what he was informed
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about in United States. So i think this was on attack on
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Russian german infrastructure and on the energine link between
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boat a states and that this name time they created a new.
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European and American West on Integrated Energy
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Infrastructure. Yes.
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And hold it, they place the explosive at the pipelines.
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That is that i don't know i me, it's it's the argument from
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samur hersh is at they did it during the the baltops exercise.
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In June as that they did it already in the baltop exercise
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in june and that they have timers on the explosives that
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we're would be trigot as i to be for on trigot by this code, it
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signals and acording to samer horse that used.
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Deep Diving US Navy Deep Divers from Panama City, Florida, and
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this there was a there was a statement by Journalist German
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Journalist Thomas Röper, cleming that that it was a participate
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one. Diving coordinator at at diving
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coordinator at so exercise that we're supported that some divers
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cam was deep diving capability was a was a lot of instruments.
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This is are for deep diving and not for mine exercise and and
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they will away for quiet some time also and and that so he
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worrit about and he haveen inform the leadership that they
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have disopiadic he din get contact with them so that the
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interesting sing here is that that.
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Samer Horst clame that they will coming from panomacity florida
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and there we're actually leving the ronne be airbase in sweedan
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with was used as airbase for the about to pixusize there, we're
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american plains going to roter spane so so Naval Station the US
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Naval Station in SOF sof West and Spane.
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And then when to then when to norfolk as norfolk naval station
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at washington and then down to panamasity florida, so they
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we're definit divers from panamasity florida at boltops
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exercise so you can see this that this that bean conformed.
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Without samer hers knowing about it.
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And these divas, Wer Special Forces US Special Forces.
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I think i think they will not but they will diving specialist
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and so they will used but and they will used for deep diving
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operations and they will. If you like at the plans that
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came that wind back to panamacity florida, you're can't
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imagine that this where also for this deep divers and and they
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what suposity have played the the explosivs on the pipelines
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short at the very end of the exasise and they have also.
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Suppose the met so Edward, I'm in the top leaders at the
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exercise and also the well civilians coming in meeting
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them, which will be intelligence operatives.
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Thomas Wöpa, the Journalist hat a source on a ship on a nato
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ship and now he was sanctioned by the EU.
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Is there a link between that walls thomas ripper sanctioned
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because he no to much he had a source on the ground and he got
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he be can dangerous. I don't know but at least you
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can see that this has not been presented in in solution media,
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so it it is so for some reason. They didnt trust that source if
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you want or and and oks, this source did not what it's is
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right. This source did not say what
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they want to them to see it's it's AI, it's very clear that
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you have this deep diving people can you up and and that feeds
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very well with. What this source have tot, so i
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think it's I've think it's very lightly.
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We have a situation and this is very interesting acording to
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that that what you set that parallel to the special
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operation the cover up is starting is this right for
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plausible uniability. Ja, it's I don't know if you
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start it bevor, but but but at liest, it's it's sertinly start
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it at this time and and and you can you have a i'm when you do a
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spezial operation like this one you have to.
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You have to have plosabil deniability and that means at if
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you for example, that placeed to explosivs on the pipeline, doing
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the bolded up sixasize and then the pipelines with exploded a
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week offer people was they. Aha, it was place doings a bold
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up sixasize it was obius because they were just about the
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pipeline. And the had divers so who's to
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the as had done it so had to post phone the triggering of the
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explosives and that you go to a caplomance and so on the
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problem. I think was that people in
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germany and be beat up set about the.
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Gas Situation in August, September in twenty twenty two
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and the also i think in check slowakio and the Russian
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president vladimir Putin that's that that you're so if you are
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if you are unhappy was a setuation we don't you open up
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nostream two. We we're have beenclosed
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actually is the norty one function, but the norty in two
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was was not open upjet and then it's very possible that the
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americans what's they ja this is we we can't wate for that, so we
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we have to do something now and that would be reason for why the
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trigot so exploses at the verit time that when they did it.
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You explained how novitian politicians there involved and
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someway could you explained how for example, transler olaf
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scholz was involved, he's stud beside of us Präsident Joe Biden
51:40
Biden declared we will finish up the pipeline and olaf scholz is
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grining into the cameras what is what do you feel about it?
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I sold it was pritis Strange. I'll also I'm have a seen and
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ising like that bevor and and because we're have a president
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you us president standing that say that we will the story
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you're energy security and get and you will get into real
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truple. And and Olaf Scholz so standing
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that beside them and say that we are working clothy with the
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Americans, so it it was pre to Strange II was say i think wend
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it coms to the noridians I'm not sure what the noridian political
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leadership new from the beginning and.
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The impression is that etwas some people or caplo people what
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ever on the intern norweedian intelligence and navy who are
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involt and, and then that they back to out toxily maybe is that
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we're involt in sumway when the coms to some ships do in the
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bolt of sixersize because they had.
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You have to have the ship with a decompression champ or have
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cuple chip chips with decompression jumpers, but you
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have at this one with or that's a put to decompression jumper on
53:34
the off to was on the ship and it was used for divers or
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american divers and so on so it it.
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It my where we'll be that they participate it, but i can't
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easly median that political leadership was not to have you
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about it and actually try to back out and when it comed to
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the posate on icraft they can't say that they will not ready for
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for on operation that have been training with it.
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With a aircraft, but it was the holesing was plus phone
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severmumps so they we're still the start it the training with
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them in june twenty twenty two and that was not in off for
54:29
haveing and no operation in September, so i think that the
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novedian political leadership was happy was this.
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Pusponment and and i think that they you from there you not in
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the Strategie community in Norway.
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There was a tradition still that you should have not have a
55:04
really conflict with rushia you you have try to have a detoned
55:10
policy. You tride to have a based policy
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and and nuklear policy that would not provoked the russians
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that was from the older the from nineteen forty nine.
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So it it's so this is a change of policy and to to really
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attack russia was a russian pipeline.
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That would o'cos be you know could lead to a war, so it it
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i'm you can't say that one have to be surprise that the russians
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have not down more them that they did so, so it's but that
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i've i'm in the russians no most likely.
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More last what hapend because that they they follow will calls
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averising and, and it's unlikely that i'm in they that's that
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several times that that's the raw the angle americans i'm in
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the a british and the americans who are deeplin world and
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mabular some ukrainians, but that is that is not the mayor is
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you asing. That lates us to the roll of the
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brits that you have find andy abidance off and envolvedment of
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British Secret Service is all British Navy.
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The juring the boldt up x as i there are also british ships
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present, but i have no there. There are some there are some
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people we have ritton quital out to about british involment.
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But i have not seen and ising that is really evidence for the
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british involment and other hand i have to talk was AUS Admiral
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and deputy CI Bobby inman who's that the british doing is time.
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The British for responsive for the baltic see when the coms to
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intelligence matters and that's will's not the holt truefy was
57:46
it when the coms the Americans play is that in roll also but
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but but when it coms to stay behind do in the called war, for
57:55
example, British British submarines deploying special
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forces long is widish coast. And so on was part of the what
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happend and britan was certanly. We're deplian world in activity,
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the subberin activity in the Baltic see, so it's the Baltic
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sub the spitic subberin conventional subberins went
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subboard do for the denis straight also this was not
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legal. So it it's the british played
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and veri port and roll in the in the boltic see in general and
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that we're surprise me veri much it's they were not well in form
58:50
the what what happend but i have no physical evidan surter's
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speak when it coms to the you know the Britin have posade on
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aircraft also. Station at Base in nowan
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Scotland and they cool that operated in the Bolt x see is
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here and the and the flight from keflavik, but it they didnt it
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was no british posade and aircraft at in the area nyser
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when the coms to the bolt ops exercise nor when the coms to
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the. Todays around the explosion.
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How do you judge the attack on the Nord Stream Pipelines was
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disacase of state terrorism? You as I'm a as long as you see
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that you was and briten is not in.
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Direct war against Russia and if you argue that and that is the
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reason you can see now there is that when when coms to the
1:00:11
insurance case that so so, so notgim company clame that is
1:00:21
quest no terroris state terroris well.
1:00:26
The insurance companies that is a question of war because the
1:00:31
clame that is a ukraine group that have be in responsible.
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It in a case of war that don't have to pay.
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In case of war that don't have to pay, but in case of terrories
1:00:41
that have to pay so so this is and and and or cost.
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I was they it is questional state terrories if you.
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Then say that it's not that to the US and britan is not at war
1:01:01
with russia and and that was the general opinion in unity states
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at the is in twenty twenty two when the seppend.
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Thank you with a much it was an interesting conversation with
1:01:18
you. Professor Ola Tunander sagt, der
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Anschlag auf die nordstream Pipelines war kein Streich einer
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ukrainischen Gruppe auf einem Segelboot, sondern ein Akt des
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Staatsterrorismus. Wir bei gegen den Strom zeigen
1:01:39
ihnen Positionen und Perspektiven, welche die
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Propagandamedien verschweigen.