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Holly Bobo murder trial begins; Murdered boy found in concrete · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph Channel one thirty two.
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Speaker 1: There was chilling court testimony today about the death of
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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo, so emotional that her mother nearly collapsed on
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Speaker 1: the witness stand. The Bobo family had to relive in
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Speaker 1: court today that painful day in two thousand and eleven
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Speaker 1: when Holly disappeared from her home the man charged in
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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo's murder. He was a man who lived in
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Speaker 1: a dark world of drugs. The defense, however, says Adams
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Speaker 1: is not guilty that the prosecutors needed someone to blame
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Speaker 1: for the most heartbreaking testimony came from Karen Bobo, Holly's mother.
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Speaker 1: The panic, in fact, in Karen Bobo's voice clearly audible
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Speaker 1: in the call okay, they're I remember distinctly when Holly
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Speaker 1: Bobo missing. We covered it night after night after night,
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Speaker 1: trying to help find her. Beautiful, beautiful young girl. Holly Bobo,
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Speaker 1: the cousin of country music star Whitney Duncan, disappeared without
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Speaker 1: a trace, seemingly, but then her skull was found in
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Speaker 1: the woods three years later. We had all hoped for
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Speaker 1: a different outcome. I remember it vividly because the first
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Speaker 1: thing I heard was Holly Bobo has been found, and
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it that after three years of us
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Speaker 1: searching for her, publicizing for her, offering the tip line
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Speaker 1: out there, then within a second it was clarified her
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Speaker 1: skull was found. And now the trial in the murder
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Speaker 1: of Holly Bobo finally starts as the jury is hearing
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Speaker 1: about a meth addic defendant who bragged bragged about raping
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Speaker 1: and shooting the gorgeous young twenty year old nurse before
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Speaker 1: dumping her body in the woods. I Meancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. First,
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Speaker 1: listen to what the prosecution says in opening statement. Too
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Speaker 1: great killed, he discovered, covered it up, bragged about it,
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Speaker 1: and he almost got away. He bragged ya right. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't have pet it a prettier fitch. It was fun.
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Speaker 1: The world may never know what happened, ah boh, I
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Speaker 1: couldn't have picked a prettier bitch. It was fun. The
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Speaker 1: world may never know what happened. The Holly Boa, the
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Speaker 1: first trial of one of Holly Bobo's accused killers, has
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Speaker 1: finally begun after the young nurse goes missing and those
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Speaker 1: gars are hearing gut wrenching claims of drugs, rape and murder.
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Speaker 1: I don't really only understand the connection between these guys
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Speaker 1: and Holly Bobo. She's like pure is the driven snow?
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Speaker 1: How did these guys find her? Joining me Shane Deeter
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Speaker 1: w a t N in Memphis, joining us with the
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Speaker 1: latest and from l A. Dr Bethany Marshall renowned psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: joining us as well to Shane Dieter. Shane, let's start
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Speaker 1: at the beginning. You and I both recall when Holly
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Speaker 1: went missing. Tell me what happened. She was getting ready
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Speaker 1: to go to school. She was in nursing school at
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Speaker 1: the time, and uh she uh made it up to
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Speaker 1: her car and then from then she was last seen
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Speaker 1: being led into the woods by man in camouflage. Shane
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Speaker 1: Dieter are joining me from W A T N. There
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Speaker 1: in Memphis, Shane, So she was at nursing school when
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Speaker 1: she went the day she went missing, she had been
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Speaker 1: to glasses or what what are you saying? She was
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Speaker 1: leaving her house at like in the morning to go
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Speaker 1: to nursing school. Subtle but important difference whether she was
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Speaker 1: leaving the school the college and going to her car
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Speaker 1: in a parking lot, or whether she was leaving her
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Speaker 1: home to go somewhere, very very important difference. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for clarifying that. So she gets in her car about
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Speaker 1: seven a m. And she leaves for school. When is
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Speaker 1: she seen next? Did she make it to school? No,
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Speaker 1: she never made it out of the driveway. So pause,
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Speaker 1: pause right there. Pause, Sorry, Shane, I gotta go to
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, our psychoanalysts joining us. You know, Dr Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you. A lot of people may not
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Speaker 1: think this is crazy, but the thought that first thing
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Speaker 1: in the morning, somebody is out with felonious sent to
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Speaker 1: rape and murder at seven four five in the morning,
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Speaker 1: Shay And I hate to stop you in the middle
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Speaker 1: of what you're saying, but I just gotta get my
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Speaker 1: head around that, now, you know, Bethany, I was always
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Speaker 1: a night owl until I had the children. Now I'm
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Speaker 1: up about five every morning to get everything done. But
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Speaker 1: to think that you step out of your house at
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Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning and somebody's waiting in the
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Speaker 1: wings that early in the morning to grab you. I
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Speaker 1: mean most people they haven't even had a cup of
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Speaker 1: coffee yet, you know, Nanthy, what what is that mindset?
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Speaker 1: And just to lay her in a few more frightening details,
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Speaker 1: her mother had already gone to work that day. The
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Speaker 1: mother calls her she's still home studying. She's living at
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Speaker 1: home with her parents. Um, the brother is in the house.
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Speaker 1: The brother is awakened by the sound of the dog's barking.
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Speaker 1: He walks out of the house, he sees his sister
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Speaker 1: being led into the woods by a man in camouflage. Um,
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Speaker 1: he thinks nothing of it. He thinks it's it's his
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Speaker 1: sister's boyfriend, Scott. He goes back to bed. Then he
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Speaker 1: goes out and he looks in the car poard and
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Speaker 1: he sees blood. Oh, my stars, the survivor guilt. You
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Speaker 1: see your sister being taken off into the woods and
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Speaker 1: you think at a distance that it's her boyfriend. Oh,
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Speaker 1: go back to bed. Oh that poor guy. Oh my stars.
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Speaker 1: I was reliving the details of this case last night.
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Speaker 1: I was. I was reading it and and the story
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Speaker 1: of the brother really really stuck with me. How is
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Speaker 1: he going to live with himself for the rest of
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Speaker 1: his life thinking that she was leaving the house with
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend and you asked about Um what, Bethany, Bethany,
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Speaker 1: you just actually made me sick to my stomach. And
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you why we grew up, Me, my
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Speaker 1: brother and sister very very close. You know, our parents
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Speaker 1: were like dogs dogs, you know, my dad on the railroad,
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Speaker 1: my mom a big ken factory as they're a financial officer.
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Speaker 1: So the three of us very close. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, my brother and I talked now almost every day,
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Speaker 1: especially since my dad passed away, you know, because my
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Speaker 1: mom lives with me now and my sister. As you know,
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Speaker 1: I've told you this a million times. My sister's husband
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Speaker 1: has had MS for thirty years, and I think about
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Speaker 1: her all the time. He's been in a wheelchair for
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Speaker 1: a really long time. She's raised both of her children
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Speaker 1: with him in a wheelchair. They've both uh gotten into
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Speaker 1: Ivy League, just stellar schools. They've just worked so hard
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Speaker 1: to make her proud. And last night I was up
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Speaker 1: half the night worried about my sister's husband. Okay, I mean,
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Speaker 1: the bond between really close siblings is very, very deep.
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Speaker 1: And to think I'm actually getting chills right now that
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Speaker 1: he saw his sister being taken into the woods and
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Speaker 1: went back to sleep thinking nothing. Miss Okay, I'm I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: I just went off on a tangent, but I'm just
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Speaker 1: thinking about that brother and what hell he's been living through. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So he goes back to sleep, becomes in the garage,
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Speaker 1: he finds blood, all right, Then what happens? So then
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Speaker 1: imagine that he sees blood. I mean, how alarming is that?
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Speaker 1: And we don't even know exactly what that scene was.
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Speaker 1: Was it a little bit of blood? Was it a
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Speaker 1: lot of blood? He calls his mother evidently, who says
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Speaker 1: you need to call So they were on it the minute.
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Speaker 1: He and thank god for the dogs, Nancy. I mean
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Speaker 1: they the dogs are the ones who woke him up.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise he wouldn't have seen her. Now, the more very
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Speaker 1: frightening part of this is that the guy who leads
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Speaker 1: her off is wearing camouflage. We know now because of
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Speaker 1: the trial he was a methodic. And you asked, because
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Speaker 1: I'm as Bethany Waite a minute act, he's waving at
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Speaker 1: me in here, hold on, we actually have procured testimony
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Speaker 1: from the brother. Listen. I walk out and I looked
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Speaker 1: to my left where they were knelt down under that window.
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Speaker 1: And there's a pool of blood in the garage. There's
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Speaker 1: a garage, and there's a carboard. Carboard which one is
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Speaker 1: it's a carboard attached to the house. It's the one
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Speaker 1: that you were living up that bline begin into it, right,
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Speaker 1: that's right. And you were seeing a silhouettes so your
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Speaker 1: sister and yes, and there's a fool of blood, yes,
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Speaker 1: just below where they were knelt down. Shane Deeter jump in.
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Speaker 1: Then at one point when this was all going down,
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Speaker 1: her brother Clint was a suspect also, so he had
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Speaker 1: to deal with that. People didn't believe his story. Oh
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Speaker 1: my stars, I can't even imagine. To top it all off,
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Speaker 1: he becomes a suspect. Oh okay. I don't like it,
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Speaker 1: but I understand why. At last thought, maybe he killed her.
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Speaker 1: I get it. I don't like it, but I know
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Speaker 1: that I understand they're thinking. Okay, Bethany back to you,
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Speaker 1: when you think of the totality of this crime, um,
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Speaker 1: most homicides are intimate homicides by a lover or family member.
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Speaker 1: Most crimes occur within a quarter mile of the family home.
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Speaker 1: So so all the research, the data we know about crimes,
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Speaker 1: you know, really comes to the foreground in this story.
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Speaker 1: But if we go back to the guy in camouflage
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Speaker 1: leading her off into the woods, what we now know
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Speaker 1: from the trial is that he's a very mentally compromised
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Speaker 1: meth addict. We know that the details of the crime
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Speaker 1: itself are horrific, and I know you'll get into that
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Speaker 1: in a moment um. But knowing the horrific details of
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Speaker 1: the crime, I don't know if the listeners know yet, Um,
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Speaker 1: we know that the mindset of this guy was that
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Speaker 1: he was probably high, obviously some severe perversion or sexual
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Speaker 1: compulsion mixed with sort of homici sidal intent. And I
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Speaker 1: think the fact that he either took her out of
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Speaker 1: the car port or out of the home suggests to
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Speaker 1: me that he and his friends knew that this beautiful
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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo was living in that house. And obviously they
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Speaker 1: had been stalking her emotionally in some way, whether or
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Speaker 1: not they knew her, maybe peeping tom's looking in the window,
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Speaker 1: watching her drive back and forth to school. She had
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Speaker 1: become an object of fixation for at least the primary purpose,
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Speaker 1: if not all of them, So she was in their
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Speaker 1: sights for a long long time, Nancy, That's what I
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Speaker 1: would guess. The very first witness called by the day
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Speaker 1: was Holly's father, that would be Dana Bobo, and he
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Speaker 1: told the jury that he recalled that his daughter had
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Speaker 1: been taken. He found out from a phone call at work,
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Speaker 1: and he says to the jury he recalled hearing through
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Speaker 1: the phone Holly's been taken. I mean, I don't even
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Speaker 1: know if my mind would comprehend what could understand those words,
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Speaker 1: if somebody told me one of the twins had been taken.
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Speaker 1: Listen to what the father says. I got a phone
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Speaker 1: call from her and I had some guys around me.
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Speaker 1: They are talking and I if she told me that
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Speaker 1: that I needed to come back home because Holly had
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Speaker 1: been taken. And I said what? And it was a
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Speaker 1: guy beside me talking. I had to hollered him to
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Speaker 1: him them quieten down. I forgot what I said. That
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Speaker 1: he quitting down and uh and if she told me
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Speaker 1: for the second time, and she was crying, and when
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Speaker 1: she don't went a second time, and I understood it
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Speaker 1: was the second time. What she said Holly had been typing,
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Speaker 1: Holly has been forwards. What sort of an impact Holly
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Speaker 1: has been taken have on you at that moment? That
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Speaker 1: was the worst for you, for bosophy, for you something
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Speaker 1: by this happening at morning her kids. Dr Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: was alluding to the facts as we know them, the
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Speaker 1: horrific crime facts. We can't turn away from that. I
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Speaker 1: don't like discussing it, I don't like hearing it. But
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Speaker 1: if you want justice, you have to deal with the facts.
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Speaker 1: Shane Nancy, from the testimony of the father and the
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Speaker 1: mother and the nine one one calls that the Karen
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Speaker 1: Bobo made from home. We're just gut riching. Uh. She's telling,
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Speaker 1: you know, wanting to know who the dispatcher was, and
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Speaker 1: she somehow ended up in the wrong counting and had
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Speaker 1: to call back. And then you know, Karen Bobo collapsed
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Speaker 1: on us damn yesterday. Uh. And then her father talked
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Speaker 1: about when he finally found Holly's body three years later,
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Speaker 1: that he had just about given up. There have been
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Speaker 1: several things that had popped up between when she was
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Speaker 1: taken in her body was found, that false leaves, I
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Speaker 1: guess you would say. And Uh. At one point investigators
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Speaker 1: called Karen Bobbo to come out and thought they h
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Speaker 1: had found Holly's purse and it turned out not to be.
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Speaker 1: And Mr Bobbo talked about obviously this is a rural area,
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Speaker 1: farm area, talked about going hunting and he would go
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Speaker 1: out by himself just looking for Holly in the wooded
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Speaker 1: area before her skull of found. But I've covered a
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Speaker 1: lot of trials, I've never heard the emotion that I
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Speaker 1: heard from the parents, and in those nine one one calls,
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Speaker 1: it was just I remember not long ago. The defendants
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Speaker 1: were in court smirking, smirking because it was revealed the
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Speaker 1: prosecution still did not have hard evidence, hard evidence to
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Speaker 1: show they were responsible for Holly's murder. They had statements.
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Speaker 1: But statements alone, even a confession alone, under our laws
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Speaker 1: and our jurisprudence, and confession alone is not enough for
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Speaker 1: a conviction. There must be corroborating evidence. You can't just
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Speaker 1: walk into a police station and confess and that carry
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Speaker 1: the day. That will not suffice. There has to be
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Speaker 1: additional evidence. So these guys were in court showing off
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Speaker 1: and smirking because it was revealed the state didn't have
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Speaker 1: the goods. We know that Holly was just twenty when
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Speaker 1: she disappeared from her parents home in Parsons, Tennessee. Her
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Speaker 1: skull was found three and a half years later near
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Speaker 1: her home that's about a hundred miles southwest of Nashville.
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Speaker 1: Her disappearance led to a massive search, and this is
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Speaker 1: what we know. The trial had to be moved from
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Speaker 1: Decatur County to a neighboring county for an unbiased jury. Adams,
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Speaker 1: one of the defendants with a criminal record includes drug possession, assault,
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Speaker 1: is facing the death penalty. We know that. After kidnapping, drugging,
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Speaker 1: and raping Holly, Adams wrapped her in a blanket and
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Speaker 1: took her in a trunk to a friend's home. He
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Speaker 1: then called another friend, Jason Autry, and they went to
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Speaker 1: the Tennessee River to quote gut her and throw her
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Speaker 1: in the water. But when Bobo made a sound, she
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Speaker 1: was still alive. After all this torture, she made a sound,
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Speaker 1: so Adams and shot her in the head. He described
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Speaker 1: her to others and sexually vulgar terms and bragged that
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Speaker 1: the world would never find out what happened to her.
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Speaker 1: Two guys looking for jen Sing find Holly's remains, and
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Speaker 1: that started the investigation. Take a listen to Holly's mother, Karen,
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Speaker 1: as she desperately calls nine one one. This is what
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Speaker 1: the jury has just heard. The secretary of the school
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Speaker 1: came to the cafeterian. She said that the Navy called
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Speaker 1: and says she didn't want to alarm me, but she
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Speaker 1: thought she heard screens coming from the house. So that's
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Speaker 1: not a phone call. It I got every day. I
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Speaker 1: never gotten a phone call like that, so I almost
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Speaker 1: instantly got into a panic. At that point, I called
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Speaker 1: not along with her phone. Okay now, William Guy, Okay,
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Speaker 1: but I got off the run away right rail. Okay, here,
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Speaker 1: they're on the way. Twere is wrong, They're on their way.
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Speaker 1: Gotta got everybody over the way right rail already everybody, Okay,
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Speaker 1: they're they're on the way. Rapware. We have been researching
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Speaker 1: and looking and I think Shane Dad and Dr Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall we have the connection. Holly Bobo's mother was the
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Speaker 1: fourth grade teacher of the man accused of raping and
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Speaker 1: murdering the nursing student, so his fourth grade teacher was
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Speaker 1: Holly's mother. We also know that a woman who grew
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Speaker 1: up with Adams told police he stalked Holly at Hunt
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Speaker 1: a week before she disappeared, that he made comments about
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Speaker 1: Holly during the past year and those comments were reported
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Speaker 1: to authorities. Now all this time he has been held
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Speaker 1: without bond. What do we actually know about what happened
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Speaker 1: to Holly? Shane Deeter. There supposedly video of Holly that
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Speaker 1: they shot uh during this thing where she was alive
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Speaker 1: and tied up in crying. But Zack adams defense is
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Speaker 1: going to be I didn't know her. And again, like
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Speaker 1: you said earlier, there there's no physical evidence. Well, I
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Speaker 1: think that they did develop physical evidence in the form
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Speaker 1: of hair forensics and fiber, but you're right, for a
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Speaker 1: long time they had no physical evidence. You brought up
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Speaker 1: something Shane didert that I find very very um intriguing
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Speaker 1: in the sense I'm like looking at a snake in
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Speaker 1: a box. Dr Bethany Marshall. The fact that they actually
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Speaker 1: videoed Holly Bobo. What does that mean? I find the
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Speaker 1: details so chilling, the fact that somebody actually videotaped her
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Speaker 1: tied up, crying um allegedly being raped and tortured, and
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Speaker 1: actually gained satisfaction from that. I've given a lot of
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Speaker 1: thought to this, Nancy, and it seems that not only
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Speaker 1: was the primary purp stalking Holly, but that somehow all
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Speaker 1: of these guys were working in concert as rapists. And
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Speaker 1: what we know with these kinds of groups is they
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Speaker 1: usually there is one male who is in charge, like
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Speaker 1: a dominant male who's either a sociopath or a sew
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Speaker 1: real killer, and they recruit other weak or like minded
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Speaker 1: males to act in concert with them. So one of
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Speaker 1: the guys was holding the video tape actually voyeuristically enjoying this.
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Speaker 1: So we have all these perversions coming to the four
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Speaker 1: in this horrible, whole blooded crime. We have voyeurism, which
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Speaker 1: is taking a look at something. We have exhibitionism, somebody
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Speaker 1: wanting to be videotaped or observed in the act. We
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Speaker 1: have sadism, which is the cruelty. Um. We we have
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Speaker 1: all these sexual perversions and paraphilias really sort of in
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Speaker 1: this group of men, and um, it's it's really sort
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Speaker 1: of frightening. You use the word snake, it's like a
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Speaker 1: snake pit. And and Holly seems to be one victim,
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Speaker 1: But I wonder how many other women they've stalked, other
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Speaker 1: crimes they may have committed. And whenever there's one perversion,
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Speaker 1: there's another. I think of maybe pedophilia or frauderism, which
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Speaker 1: is rubbing up against some unsuspecting person in public. And
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Speaker 1: were these young men actually offending sexual offending against other
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Speaker 1: women in the community. They need to all be put away, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: They need to never ever see the light of day.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, what do we know about the defendants?
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Speaker 1: They were reportedly in a dark world. Those are the
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Speaker 1: words of the police and the prosecutors. What do they
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Speaker 1: mean by that? Their meth freaks. Well, what we do know, yes,
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Speaker 1: is that they were addicted to methods that amin um.
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Speaker 1: We do know that the perp um accosted and abducted
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Speaker 1: Holly early in the morning hours, so that his sleep
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Speaker 1: wake cycle was turned around. That's one of the things
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Speaker 1: we see with methaddicts. I can speak to the psychology
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Speaker 1: of them. I do know that drugs overkill, an addiction
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Speaker 1: to excitement, power and sexuality often become fused in the
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Speaker 1: minds of these these these sorts of men. So often
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Speaker 1: when you see a crime scene where a methaddict is
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Speaker 1: a perpetrator, you see something that we call overkill. Um.
25:10
Speaker 1: You've seen as in a lot of the crimes we've
25:12
Speaker 1: covered in the past, Nancy, where there's a lot of blood,
25:15
Speaker 1: a lot of people tied up um accosting the body
25:19
Speaker 1: repeatedly in ways that are unnecessary to produce death. It
25:24
Speaker 1: seems to go in line with this kind of mindset.
25:28
Speaker 1: We do know that somehow, all of these men, I believe,
25:31
Speaker 1: because of their drug habit must have been sort of
25:35
Speaker 1: spending excessive amounts of time together. In other words, they
25:40
Speaker 1: had a lot of time to engage in their sexual
25:42
Speaker 1: their sexual fantasies and to plot and to plan. And
25:46
Speaker 1: then I know from a psychoanalytic perspective that we have
25:50
Speaker 1: something that we call triumph over the object, and that
25:53
Speaker 1: is when a man wants to triumph over a woman,
25:57
Speaker 1: that the act of rape immerged her, an assault, have
26:01
Speaker 1: to do with the degradation of the female body. That
26:05
Speaker 1: there's something very satisfying about that. It says, if these
26:09
Speaker 1: men live in a world where they have no power,
26:11
Speaker 1: no sense of agency, um, they're lost. And somehow finding
26:16
Speaker 1: this beautiful, gorgeous young woman you've seen pictures of her,
26:19
Speaker 1: nancy and mutilating her, triumphing over her, gutting her, makes
26:24
Speaker 1: them seem sort of irrelevant and powerful in the world.
26:29
Speaker 1: That is the sick, twisted mind of these perpetrators. We
26:33
Speaker 1: understand based on what the state and police are saying
26:36
Speaker 1: when they say that perhaps lived in a quote dark,
26:39
Speaker 1: dark world. They were all on meth amphetamines and morphine
26:44
Speaker 1: on the day that Holly, especially Adams, was abducted, and
26:50
Speaker 1: again the act of after all the rape and torture
26:54
Speaker 1: that had been inflicted on her, to think she's dead
26:57
Speaker 1: and then when she moves, they just shot her in
26:59
Speaker 1: the head to ast her body and the Tennessee River. Um,
27:04
Speaker 1: this is what we know. After that massive search, her
27:07
Speaker 1: body was been was found. But in court in the
27:10
Speaker 1: last hours, Holly Bobo's mother, Karen collapsed sobbing on the
27:16
Speaker 1: ground as Shane Dieterer has just told us and says,
27:21
Speaker 1: I'm feeling sick and then collapses. The judge cleared media
27:27
Speaker 1: out of the courtroom and they took a break until
27:31
Speaker 1: the mother could stand to hear the facts about her daughter.
27:38
Speaker 1: So after the mother collapses, Shane Dieter, what happened? The
27:42
Speaker 1: defense Nancy asked for h M trial, which the judge
27:50
Speaker 1: you mean and miss child because her mother Karen broke down.
27:54
Speaker 1: That said that the jury will not be able to
27:58
Speaker 1: get out of the mind seeing the mom break down.
28:00
Speaker 1: And then actually I don't know if she passed out
28:03
Speaker 1: or not, but she fell to the floor and then
28:06
Speaker 1: they brought in, uh the doctor are the judge had
28:09
Speaker 1: him bring in a medical team to attend to Miss Bobo.
28:13
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, you told us that was because the judge
28:16
Speaker 1: wanted to ensure the mom was not malingering or faking. Yes,
28:20
Speaker 1: So malingering is when somebody makes up a fictitious medical
28:24
Speaker 1: disorder to gain the sympathy of other people, or to
28:26
Speaker 1: get out of some um punishment or consequence. Apparently, the
28:31
Speaker 1: scene of this mother collapsing in court was so dramatic,
28:36
Speaker 1: and you can imagine, Nancy, because you're a mother, if
28:38
Speaker 1: you had to sit and listen to the testimony and
28:41
Speaker 1: listen to what happened to Holly Bobo. The judge actually
28:45
Speaker 1: had to assure the jury that the mother was not malingering. Um.
28:52
Speaker 1: So I'm imagining that the mother was so distraught and
28:57
Speaker 1: so unable to even stand that it created confusion in
29:01
Speaker 1: the mind of the jurors. They did not know how
29:03
Speaker 1: to interpret the scene. Thank God for this judge, this
29:07
Speaker 1: quick thinking judge who called in the medical team and
29:10
Speaker 1: actually had the courage to set the jurors. I think
29:13
Speaker 1: part of the reason the judge did it legally is
29:16
Speaker 1: because he wanted to show Holly's mother, Karen really did
29:21
Speaker 1: feel ill to protect the case on appeal. But let
29:25
Speaker 1: me tell you both, I've had many cases where somebody,
29:28
Speaker 1: a witness, a mother, typically a mother, or even a
29:32
Speaker 1: victim quote falls out in court. It means they just
29:36
Speaker 1: can't take it. They fall out, they fall they get sick,
29:39
Speaker 1: they pass out, they have an outburst, they cry. That
29:43
Speaker 1: is not unusual in a criminal case, particularly a murder
29:47
Speaker 1: case where the facts are so heinous. In this case,
29:51
Speaker 1: we have now learned that at least fifty witnesses are
29:54
Speaker 1: expected to take the stand, people including those who have
29:59
Speaker 1: been grea and it immunity by the prosecution in order
30:05
Speaker 1: to find out just what we're talking about, what actually
30:09
Speaker 1: happened during those hours Holly have been kidnapped and tortured.
30:15
Speaker 1: Immunity for three people, including Densmore, Alexander and kills Her.
30:22
Speaker 1: Federal authorities have also asked for immunity for Denzer. Now
30:27
Speaker 1: we know many of them have extensive criminal backgrounds, and
30:32
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that you walk out your door
30:35
Speaker 1: in the morning, seven thirty in the morning, on the
30:39
Speaker 1: way to school and you're gone. It's over. Now we
30:44
Speaker 1: have constructed somewhat of a timeline, and it goes like this.
30:48
Speaker 1: Around seven forty a m a neighbor of the Bobo's
30:51
Speaker 1: walks out to go to his construction job and he
30:54
Speaker 1: hears a scream from the Bobo's house, tells his mother
30:58
Speaker 1: and goes to work. Seven forty five, the neighbor's mom
31:02
Speaker 1: calls Karen Bobo at work and tells a school's secretary
31:05
Speaker 1: to relay the message. This is the time Hollywood normally
31:09
Speaker 1: leaves around seven to get to school. At seven fifty five,
31:14
Speaker 1: her nursing school seven fifty, a barking dog wakes up
31:19
Speaker 1: Clint Bobo. He notices his sister's car still in the
31:23
Speaker 1: driveway and calls his mom's cell at school. The mom
31:27
Speaker 1: doesn't have the phone with her, but gets the message
31:30
Speaker 1: from the secretary, phones home, talks to the son, who
31:33
Speaker 1: tells her Holly's car still there. It's still just seven
31:37
Speaker 1: a m. Karen Bobo calls. She reaches the wrong emergency dispatcher,
31:43
Speaker 1: as Shane Dieterrich just told us. Clint Bobo looks out
31:47
Speaker 1: the window sees a man dressed in camo walking with
31:50
Speaker 1: his sister toward the woods. Clint calls his sister's phone
31:54
Speaker 1: and gets the voicemail. Calls her boyfriend and gets the voicemail.
31:58
Speaker 1: Still before a. Karen calls the house again. Her son
32:03
Speaker 1: tells what he saw. She says, that's not the boyfriend.
32:08
Speaker 1: Call nine one one, Karen bow Boat when she gotta
32:13
Speaker 1: hold up Clint bow Boat. She told Clint that it
32:16
Speaker 1: wasn't Holly's boyfriend, and to take a gun, go out
32:19
Speaker 1: there and shoot him. Go shoot him. And by the
32:22
Speaker 1: time Clint got there, I mean got out with the gun. Uh,
32:25
Speaker 1: he couldn't see him. The brother gets a loaded pistol
32:29
Speaker 1: and walks out the back door at the mom's request.
32:33
Speaker 1: He sees a puddle of blood near his sister's car.
32:38
Speaker 1: His neighbor's mother pulls up in the driveway to say
32:41
Speaker 1: screams were heard fifteen minutes before Clint calls nine one one.
32:46
Speaker 1: That's how fast nine one one was called. They were
32:50
Speaker 1: called within fifteen twenty minutes. A little before eight ten
32:54
Speaker 1: a m. The first deputy from Decatur County arrives at
32:58
Speaker 1: the house. Police come to believe Holly was abducted as
33:02
Speaker 1: she tried to get in her car to drive to
33:05
Speaker 1: nursing school. She has never seen again. Search efforts are
33:11
Speaker 1: centered in an area where authorities find a lunch box.
33:14
Speaker 1: I remember when this happened. A lunch box was found
33:17
Speaker 1: on Bible Hill Road. The port little thing was still
33:21
Speaker 1: clutching her lunch box to take to school. Volunteers looked
33:25
Speaker 1: through wooded areas hoping to find anything. They try to
33:31
Speaker 1: find things that may have come from her purse. Nothing
33:34
Speaker 1: is found, Prayer vigils are are conducted. T b I
33:38
Speaker 1: agents think they find her pink purse which she was carrying.
33:44
Speaker 1: Then Kieren Bobo sees the purse and confirms it's not Holly's.
33:49
Speaker 1: Then Fab the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation execute the search
33:55
Speaker 1: warrant at the home of Zachary Adams, fifteen minutes from
33:59
Speaker 1: the Bobo home. They say it's too early to announce suspects.
34:05
Speaker 1: The tb I that holds a news conference about the
34:07
Speaker 1: Bobo case and announced Adams has been indicted on especially
34:13
Speaker 1: aggravated kidnapping and first degree murder, But what is the evidence?
34:21
Speaker 1: Brothers Jeffrey and Mark are charged with tempering with evidence.
34:25
Speaker 1: Jason Autry is indicted in kidnapping and murder. A guy
34:30
Speaker 1: named Matt Stowe is elected as the new d A.
34:34
Speaker 1: The case moves forward. Two men in September looking for
34:40
Speaker 1: Jen saying, find human remains four hundred yards north in
34:45
Speaker 1: the woods. They say, and we don't know why that.
34:49
Speaker 1: They're very disturbed by evidence they find in a bucket.
34:56
Speaker 1: Investigators confirm the partial remains our Holly Bobo. Now we
35:04
Speaker 1: are at trial. And we are headed to the courtroom
35:07
Speaker 1: to bring you the latest. Psychoanalyst Dr Bethany Marshall and
35:13
Speaker 1: also Shane Deeter w A T in Memphis. We're on
35:18
Speaker 1: it at two Wichita, the body of a missing three
35:24
Speaker 1: year old boy has just been found encased in cement.
35:31
Speaker 1: Just been found and tentatively identified as little Evan Brewer.
35:40
Speaker 1: His grandfather served two terms as the mayor of Wichita. Yes,
35:50
Speaker 1: his grandfather served two terms as mayor of Wichita. And
35:55
Speaker 1: what is so upsetting to me as there has been
35:59
Speaker 1: a long history of abuse that people knew about. Joining
36:05
Speaker 1: me right now. Investigative reporter Jessica McMaster with k s
36:09
Speaker 1: h B TV forty one Action News on the story,
36:13
Speaker 1: along with renowned forensics expert Karen Smith. Jessica, what happened?
36:20
Speaker 1: You know? Got word over the weekend that a three
36:23
Speaker 1: year old boy who had been missing was found encased
36:26
Speaker 1: in concrete. Little was known obviously at that time. That
36:29
Speaker 1: as the details came out, UM, it turns out that
36:33
Speaker 1: police in Wichita had been looking for mom, been looking
36:36
Speaker 1: for this little boy for quite some time, couldn't find them. Um.
36:40
Speaker 1: And then we recently put in a request some for
36:44
Speaker 1: some court records and found that this boy's biological father
36:49
Speaker 1: had concerned that this little boy had been being abused
36:52
Speaker 1: for a long time. I was trying to save this
36:54
Speaker 1: little boy. So it's just incredibly heartbreaking, you know, for
36:57
Speaker 1: this whole family, Whichita police lit that. Jeff Gilmore says
37:01
Speaker 1: investigators were waiting on the results of d n A
37:05
Speaker 1: test before making that positive I d I just don't
37:09
Speaker 1: understand how it got to this point when people knew,
37:14
Speaker 1: people knew that abuse was going on. Kansas welfare officials
37:19
Speaker 1: had investigative reports Evan was being abused this year. Earlier
37:25
Speaker 1: this year, in fact, a July, a protection from abuse
37:29
Speaker 1: order was issued, Okay on the boy's behalf. I don't
37:35
Speaker 1: understand how they knew this was happening, Jessica McMaster. But
37:40
Speaker 1: the child was murdered. Anyway, what do we know right now?
37:45
Speaker 1: We we really need this little boy's record from Department
37:49
Speaker 1: of you know, the Social Services department, But of course
37:52
Speaker 1: we're not going to get those because one, like you mentioned,
37:54
Speaker 1: he hasn't been officially identified and there's currently an ongoing investigation.
37:59
Speaker 1: And so this is a lot like what we saw
38:00
Speaker 1: with Adrian Joe. It takes us to that beginning part
38:04
Speaker 1: where we knew who he was. We knew he was found,
38:07
Speaker 1: but not officially identified, and it was a waiting game
38:10
Speaker 1: of those records. But what we do know is that
38:13
Speaker 1: this dad filed several protection from abuse orders against the
38:18
Speaker 1: little boy's mother and her living boyfriend, and in those orders,
38:23
Speaker 1: the father reported that a witness told him that that
38:26
Speaker 1: living boyfriend would beat his son to the brink of death.
38:29
Speaker 1: The mother, Miranda Miller, and the boyfriend, Stephen Bodine, are
38:36
Speaker 1: the ones that we are talking about now. When I
38:40
Speaker 1: look at the mother, she looks like any soccer mom
38:45
Speaker 1: he had made in the carpool line. A landlord was
38:49
Speaker 1: cleaning the house in Wichita, Kansas when he found a
38:52
Speaker 1: cement structure and noticed an odor coming from the structure.
38:58
Speaker 1: Before the landlord's discovery, Miranda Miller and her live in
39:03
Speaker 1: Stephen Bodine, had already been arrested on custody issues. Didn't
39:10
Speaker 1: anybody wonder where's the little boy? The lawyer for the
39:14
Speaker 1: boy's father, Carlo Brewer, told k w c H, We've
39:19
Speaker 1: known the child was missing for months. How did how
39:25
Speaker 1: does a child just slip through the cracks when you
39:31
Speaker 1: know the child is missing and nobody arrests the mom.
39:36
Speaker 1: People know the baby is getting abused and what child
39:39
Speaker 1: Welfare just writes another piece of paper? What they do,
39:42
Speaker 1: you know, turn it into an airplane flight to the
39:45
Speaker 1: trash can, another piece of paper as the boy is
39:50
Speaker 1: beaten over and over and over. Karen Smith, forensic expert,
39:56
Speaker 1: joining me along with Jessica McMaster from k s HBT
40:00
Speaker 1: the forty one Action News Entombed and submit. Karen Smith,
40:06
Speaker 1: what issues does that present for a crime saying crew,
40:12
Speaker 1: we are dealing with a small child encased in a
40:17
Speaker 1: concrete structure. There's really no details about what that structure
40:21
Speaker 1: might be. Whether it's a wall or a floor, I
40:23
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, you're dealing with a very
40:26
Speaker 1: small child. You're dealing with a lot of time. So unfortunately,
40:31
Speaker 1: DNA is going to have to be used to identify
40:34
Speaker 1: his remains, and you know, the landlord, for being astute,
40:39
Speaker 1: thank goodness, reported it to police. Otherwise, you know, God knows,
40:45
Speaker 1: the little boy may still have been in there at
40:47
Speaker 1: this point. It's going to take a lot of work
40:50
Speaker 1: for the pathologist and the DNA experts, but hopefully they
40:53
Speaker 1: shouldn't have an answer here in the next from what
40:55
Speaker 1: I understand about the next week or so? What do
40:58
Speaker 1: you mean an answer to what? I mean? Who else?
41:00
Speaker 1: Could it be? Number one? But they could do a
41:04
Speaker 1: if they even bother to take the child to a dentist,
41:07
Speaker 1: you can do a dental comparison immediately. So why is
41:09
Speaker 1: it going to take weeks to get an answer to what?
41:13
Speaker 1: Karen Smith? Well, they have to identify him. I mean,
41:16
Speaker 1: everybody knows it's it's going to be uh, the child
41:19
Speaker 1: that's encased in the concrete. But in order to have
41:21
Speaker 1: the investigation progress, they have to make that victim. I
41:25
Speaker 1: d first, and you know, a three year old. I
41:28
Speaker 1: don't know how often a three year old is taken
41:30
Speaker 1: to the dentist. I don't have children, so I have
41:32
Speaker 1: no idea what kind of records they would have on him.
41:34
Speaker 1: And if this mother is that irresponsible to begin with,
41:37
Speaker 1: did she even have dental records for this little boy?
41:40
Speaker 1: Maybe that's mine so hard on the DNA Well, I
41:44
Speaker 1: also know this Jess coming master Um lawyers state that
41:49
Speaker 1: Mr Brewer, the father, had already filed a court order
41:53
Speaker 1: to protect the little boy, his son from bodine back.
41:58
Speaker 1: Did you lie? What happened to Jessica, he filed well,
42:01
Speaker 1: he actually filed the first order in May um and
42:04
Speaker 1: at that point when it was filed, the police said
42:07
Speaker 1: during the press conference that this investigation was being led
42:12
Speaker 1: by Kansas Department for Children and Families. But then once
42:15
Speaker 1: that protection order was filed, police say that they hopped
42:18
Speaker 1: on board and they tried to help this father locate
42:21
Speaker 1: the sun but that they believed the mother left the
42:23
Speaker 1: state with him at some point. They said that they
42:25
Speaker 1: conducted surveillance on the home, they were watching for her,
42:28
Speaker 1: talking to neighbors, and could not locate her. It's not
42:32
Speaker 1: clear how they know this, but the lieutenant during that
42:35
Speaker 1: press conference also said that at some point in August,
42:39
Speaker 1: I believe they became aware that the mom knew that
42:43
Speaker 1: they were looking for her and was evading police, and
42:46
Speaker 1: so they caught up with her. As you know, at
42:48
Speaker 1: the end of August, she wasn't with her child, and
42:51
Speaker 1: we're able to arrest her on you know, unrelated charges.
42:54
Speaker 1: Carl Brewer has issued the following statement after learning the
42:59
Speaker 1: remains found in the cement structure were likely those of
43:03
Speaker 1: his taught grandson. Quote, we are devastated by the death
43:08
Speaker 1: of our sweet, loving grandson Evan. We cannot begin to
43:13
Speaker 1: make sense of this tragedy, but are thankful the suspects
43:17
Speaker 1: are in custody. We request prayers for our family during
43:22
Speaker 1: this time and while the police continue this investigation. We
43:29
Speaker 1: also know that a Sedgwick County judge issued that protective
43:34
Speaker 1: order to Boudaine to stay away with the child, whose
43:39
Speaker 1: initials are C A B. It's it's clearly him um
43:45
Speaker 1: or is there another childhood issue? And he was scheduled
43:50
Speaker 1: again to appear September nineteen, so he's heading back to court.
43:55
Speaker 1: My question is is this going to be a death
43:59
Speaker 1: penalty case? Jessica? What do we know so far? I mean,
44:04
Speaker 1: I can't answer that. I don't know what prosecutors, you know,
44:06
Speaker 1: what their decisions are going to be, especially again because
44:10
Speaker 1: we're just kind of back to square one in the
44:12
Speaker 1: waiting game and getting more detailed. I'm curious to see
44:15
Speaker 1: what that UM search warrant will reveal because I'm sure
44:20
Speaker 1: that they collected computers and things like that, UM, and
44:23
Speaker 1: so we're we just we need so much more information
44:26
Speaker 1: UM before we really know what how they're gonna dry
44:30
Speaker 1: this case, and if the mom's involved to UM, you know,
44:32
Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to mention Adrian Jones.
44:34
Speaker 1: But again, when you know the little boys remains were
44:37
Speaker 1: found in a pig pen in two thousand fifteen, when
44:40
Speaker 1: that all first evolved, the first person that was arrested
44:43
Speaker 1: was his father, and people thought that his step mom. Initially,
44:46
Speaker 1: Heather was an innocent battered woman, and then as time
44:50
Speaker 1: went on, we found out she played a much bigger
44:53
Speaker 1: role in that boys that I can give you a
44:55
Speaker 1: little information on the state of the death penalty in Kansas.
45:01
Speaker 1: It is a death penalty state. It was reinstated in
45:06
Speaker 1: following firm and v. Georgia. That was the case that
45:08
Speaker 1: went on the way to the U. S. Supreme Court.
45:11
Speaker 1: When a death penalty does go down and said the
45:13
Speaker 1: El Dorado Correctional Facility, and that's in El Dorado, Kansas.
45:18
Speaker 1: This is what I know when people say, was the
45:23
Speaker 1: mother involved? Okay, So either Bodine battered the boy until
45:30
Speaker 1: he was dead or killed him in some other way,
45:34
Speaker 1: and the mother stood violent it happened, or she took
45:37
Speaker 1: part in it. I mean after one beating and then
45:40
Speaker 1: the next and the next, and the next and the next,
45:42
Speaker 1: and people are calling the sheriff and you're trying to
45:45
Speaker 1: get protective orders, and the mother still let's it happened?
45:48
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they should both be prosecuted for murder one
45:54
Speaker 1: and get the death penalty. I'm just telling you whether
45:57
Speaker 1: they'll ever be put to death, who knows. Who knows
46:00
Speaker 1: they're they're up for parole after what years or so,
46:04
Speaker 1: not saying that that will be granted. But they didn't
46:07
Speaker 1: get the death penalty. And we know what happened to
46:09
Speaker 1: that little boy. It was awful, So why should history
46:12
Speaker 1: repeat itself? I am talking about a taught boy, battered,
46:19
Speaker 1: beaten over and over and over for the living boyfriend
46:24
Speaker 1: Bodine's enjoyment. That child was in a living hell and
46:30
Speaker 1: probably the last thing he saw before he went to
46:33
Speaker 1: his maker was his mother's face standing by. She let
46:39
Speaker 1: it happen, if she didn't have a hand in it herself,
46:43
Speaker 1: a three year old taught I mean, what kind of
46:49
Speaker 1: society are we that we let this happen? There are
46:56
Speaker 1: red tape and orders on a piece of payper That
47:00
Speaker 1: don't mean they're not worth the ink that goes on
47:05
Speaker 1: the paper. Because this boy is dead, the community they're
47:09
Speaker 1: very angry. And if you you know, if you get
47:11
Speaker 1: on social media and you start engaging in a lot
47:13
Speaker 1: of those comments, and a lot of people talk. And
47:15
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that people are talking about is
47:17
Speaker 1: how did this happen again? How are we seeing this again?
47:21
Speaker 1: I think when we talked last time, we spoke to
47:22
Speaker 1: a child psychologist who had a child psychologist on here
47:25
Speaker 1: with us, who said, you know, there are parents who
47:27
Speaker 1: just snapped and it's a one time thing and there
47:30
Speaker 1: really is no history, but it looks like again there
47:33
Speaker 1: might be history with law enforcement, with social services, and
47:38
Speaker 1: so it does make people angry and they do want
47:40
Speaker 1: those answers. And here's the interesting thing, Nancy. The grandfather
47:45
Speaker 1: of this little boy, as you mentioned, was mayor of
47:47
Speaker 1: which ATAP but he's also running for governor of Kansas
47:52
Speaker 1: if he still plans to do that, and I don't
47:54
Speaker 1: know what his plans are at this point. Obviously his
47:56
Speaker 1: family's in mourning Um. But if he does, and say
47:59
Speaker 1: he gets elected and that comes to fruition, he would
48:02
Speaker 1: then oversee that age agency. He would then be looking
48:06
Speaker 1: a lot closer at DCF and that might be what
48:10
Speaker 1: changes that. What I want now is these chi prosecuted
48:14
Speaker 1: from murder. One nothing, nothing short of murder, one will suffice.
48:22
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off
48:28
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,