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The Last Knot - Knife of Dreams chapter 29 - EP502 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 1: He gave me a pronunciation guide, and I'm having trouble
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  Speaker 1: even with the pronunciation guide. So that tells you how
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  Speaker 1: hard names are. It's capital M A HC capital m
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  Speaker 1: A y dash lowercase v u H. So how would
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  Speaker 1: you say that.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot pronounce things based on a linear string of
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  Speaker 2: mouth noises. It's one of my brains like holes. Oh okay,
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  Speaker 2: I can read that, macmaeva.
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  Speaker 1: So Evan mcmava wrote me to let me know that
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  Speaker 1: he is block on the New Kid, which, of course,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as he said that, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: of course right, So you know he's been around forever,
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  Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that name from a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: Was around for a good long while when the Discord
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  Speaker 2: was hopping.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, back in twice, but around since twenty seventeen. And
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  Speaker 1: old Blonde yeah, old blonde patron.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So every name that we didn't recognize we would
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  Speaker 2: actually recognize. We just didn't connect the screen name to
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  Speaker 2: the name.
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  Speaker 1: It's the name name, yep, which I think I said
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  Speaker 1: while I was reading it out that I'm sure I
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  Speaker 1: was missing some of these, So I think thank you
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  Speaker 1: for writing in and correcting me. All right, So today
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  Speaker 1: we are here once again for chapter twenty nine. It's
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  Speaker 1: another Malden chapter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting multiple episodes recorded in one day. What
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  Speaker 2: a throwback to the old ways of podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Don't tell them that my time, don't tell them that
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  Speaker 1: the illusion. It's a totally different day. We didn't just
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  Speaker 1: finish the last episode, take a quick break and come
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  Speaker 1: back to do this one. That's not what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I think. I think the tired, post desert quality of
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  Speaker 2: my voice might fact.
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  Speaker 1: Fortunately, we don't have to worry about paren tying anymore
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  Speaker 1: knots in that stupid leather cord while he waits to
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  Speaker 1: rescue Fael for four freaking books. Because this this is
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  Speaker 1: the last knot, the last not the last knot.
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  Speaker 2: Goodness, we're done with that.
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  Speaker 1: Chapter twenty nine. Our symbol is the wolf because this
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  Speaker 1: is a parent wolfe chapter. And what else would it be.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we have the Blacksmith's puzzle now
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  Speaker 1: that we didn't have before, which could be a that
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  Speaker 1: could be a really good para. It's it's specifically I
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  Speaker 1: think about Maldon though, because it's about like pulling apart
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  Speaker 1: the puzzle that is Malden. Yeah, right, is that's what
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  Speaker 1: he's been doing this whole time, for all of these books,
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  Speaker 1: is assembling the pieces and getting them in the right
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  Speaker 1: places so that he can pull this thing apart. Now,
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  Speaker 1: little does you know, his lynchpin is, which is Galina
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  Speaker 1: is totally black Aja, but fortunately Interverian will get him
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  Speaker 1: in the right place. Anyway, it would have been really
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  Speaker 1: nice to see Jordan do something with the black Smith's
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  Speaker 1: puzzle in this chapter the way he does it with
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  Speaker 1: Snakes and Foxes, or I guess Brandon technically does it
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  Speaker 1: in the last books where there's like this parallel right,
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  Speaker 1: like where the game is being played or someone's trying
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  Speaker 1: to pick take a part some sort of like I
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  Speaker 1: would have liked to see like aarm get like pushed
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  Speaker 1: to the side and like, hey, instead of fighting, I
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  Speaker 1: need you to relax and solve this Blacksmith's puzzle and
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  Speaker 1: have him go through the mental struggle of like trusting
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  Speaker 1: Paren or trusting the prophet and like struggling with that
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  Speaker 1: as he's playing with the Blacksmith's puzzle as Paren is fighting,
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  Speaker 1: and then like there's this moment where the puzzle falls
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  Speaker 1: apart is the moment where Paren rescues Faieel, is the
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  Speaker 1: moment where Aaron has this realization that maybe violence is
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  Speaker 1: in everything, and that maybe Massima's wrong, and maybe he
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  Speaker 1: should listen to Paren. You know, Like, I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: have seen some sort of like parallel structure going on
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  Speaker 1: in the way that like Ran fighting his battle in
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  Speaker 1: the clouds affected the arm in The Great Hunt. Right,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many examples of it in the series. This
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  Speaker 1: would have been another great place for it.
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  Speaker 2: That would have been really really cool. I would have
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  Speaker 2: loved to see that and like aarm like deradicalizes himself
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  Speaker 2: as he pulls the puzzle apart as he helps Paren
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  Speaker 2: rescue Fayel on a metaphysical line, right, that would have
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  Speaker 2: been really satisfied. I would have been okay with him
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  Speaker 2: recycling that maneuver. That move had multiple uses in it,
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  Speaker 2: I think, But.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I guess I should read a sin. Paren stood
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  Speaker 1: just below the ridge top, near the edge of the fog,
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  Speaker 1: and studied the encampment in stone walled town below two
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  Speaker 1: hundred paces of fairly steep slope, sparsely dotted with low
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  Speaker 1: brush down to the level ground. Perhaps seven hundred more
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  Speaker 1: of cleared ground to the first tense then better than
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  Speaker 1: a mile to the town. It seemed so close now
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  Speaker 1: he did not use his looking glass. A glint off
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  Speaker 1: the lens from the sun just peeking over the horizon,
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  Speaker 1: a fingernail edge of golden red might ruin every thing.
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  Speaker 1: The grayness around him curled, but did not really move
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  Speaker 1: with the breeze, even when it gusted and made his
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  Speaker 1: cloak stir. The dense mist on the far ridge, obscuring
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  Speaker 1: the windmill there seemed too still as well. If he
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  Speaker 1: studied it a while, How long before someone among those
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  Speaker 1: tents noticed there was nothing to be done for it.
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  Speaker 1: The fog felt like any fog, damp and a little cool,
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  Speaker 1: but somehow Nield had fixed these mists in place before
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  Speaker 1: he went off to his other tasks. The sun would
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  Speaker 1: not burn them off even at noonday, or so. The
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  Speaker 1: Aushamon claimed everything would be done by noon, one way
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  Speaker 1: or another, but Perrin hoped the man was right. The
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  Speaker 1: sky was clear and the day looked to be warm
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  Speaker 1: for early spring. Only a few shadows seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: outside the camp, relatively speaking, but thousands of white clad
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  Speaker 1: figures bustled among the tents. Tens of thousands. His eyes
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  Speaker 1: ached to find fai Yeel among them. His heart ached
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  Speaker 1: to see her, but he could as well try to
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  Speaker 1: pick out one particular pin from a barley basket of
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  Speaker 1: them spilled on the ground. Instead, he stared at the
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  Speaker 1: town's gates, standing wide open, as they had every time
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  Speaker 1: he gazed on them, invitingly wide they called to him.
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  Speaker 1: Soon Fayelle and her companions would know it was time
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  Speaker 1: to head for those gates and the towered fortress that
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  Speaker 1: bulked at the north end of town. She might be
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  Speaker 1: at chores if the maidens were right about how the
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  Speaker 1: prisoners would be treated as guy Shine, but she would
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  Speaker 1: know to slip away and go to the fortress. She
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  Speaker 1: and her friends and likely Elise as well. Whatever her
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  Speaker 1: scheme with the shadow the eyes of I would not
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  Speaker 1: want to remain on a battlefield. A second sister in
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  Speaker 1: the fortress might come in handy the lights. Un it
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  Speaker 1: did not come to that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, soon Fayla and her friends will be ignoring Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: her wolf calls because they have bigger issues.
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  Speaker 1: Because they're trapped in the base of als. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and Alise is what he knows.
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  Speaker 2: Gallina Bay right, it's far too close to Moren's alibi
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  Speaker 2: for anyone's comfort.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah hmm, it's like they always the same playbook when
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  Speaker 1: they're out there in the wild.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, new materials stop creeping off of each other.
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  Speaker 1: It's like this one dusty old book that someone wrote
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  Speaker 1: six hundred years ago. How to you know, make friends
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  Speaker 1: and influence people? Right, like all the eyes that I
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  Speaker 1: read it? People, How to spy and be a common person.
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  Speaker 1: Name yourself Elise or a Meise. Pretend you're looking for
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  Speaker 1: old stories, you know, the usual stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Live with your best friend for a long time in
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  Speaker 1: a hut with no men around, and claim you're just
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  Speaker 1: friends and or sisters.
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  Speaker 2: Paren thinks about how people are more chaotic than Blacksmith's puzzles,
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  Speaker 2: and yet then continues to spend the rest of his
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  Speaker 2: life insisting on looking at the world it's a Blacksmith's puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: He has this great insight and then ignoring I mean,
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  Speaker 2: paren that was just a really poignant thought. Why don't
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  Speaker 2: you notice?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but right, it is a way of framing the
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  Speaker 1: world and looking at it is like you need these people,
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  Speaker 1: Like in order for the people to do what you want,
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  Speaker 1: you have to give them something, right, And so that's
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  Speaker 1: the piece of the puzzle, and then what's the thing
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  Speaker 1: you need? Well, you have to go get that thing,
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  Speaker 1: and then you like, there, I can see where despite
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging that people are more complicated in the Blacksmith's puzzle,
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  Speaker 1: it's still good framing. It's still good model. Right. Same
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  Speaker 1: thing with physics, right, all of our physical models. We
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  Speaker 1: look at physics and go, it's more complicated than that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a pretty good model.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like right, and that It's kind of the deal
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  Speaker 2: with models is they are inherently flawed. That's kind of
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  Speaker 2: part of their job as models. They are is to
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  Speaker 2: be an inaccurate representation of.
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  Speaker 1: Reality close enough, right.
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  Speaker 2: Simple enough that we can actually make some kind of
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  Speaker 2: useful predictions from said model.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite example of that is in engineering, what my
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  Speaker 1: professor said, so, yeah, we just take sign theata and
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  Speaker 1: say it equals data for small data. And I went, wait,
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  Speaker 1: what they said, Yeah, so you take this equation sign
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  Speaker 1: data and you just replace that with the number that
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  Speaker 1: you were gonna plug into it, because for small enough numbers,
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  Speaker 1: they're basically the same number, and in the real world
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  Speaker 1: it's close enough. And I went no, because because the
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  Speaker 1: sign of a number is not the number. What are
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  Speaker 1: you talking like? It took me like a solid week
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  Speaker 1: of banging my head against the wall before before I went, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're just doing an approximation.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh, because application matters, the context matters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just application matters, the context matters. And just for this,
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  Speaker 1: for a small enough angle, it's fine. For a small
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  Speaker 1: enough angle. You know, outside of a fifteen degree angle,
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  Speaker 1: you're screwed, right, But like there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: where like a building isn't gonna bend more than fifteen
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  Speaker 1: degrees ever, sure right, sure, Like, So you can approximate
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  Speaker 1: signed data with data and it works, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense. Still, it doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the world, the world.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I've always I don't know, I've always been
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more of a mathematician than an engineer.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, speaking of people who are literal, I love killing
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  Speaker 2: me thinking about Daniel acquiring polish and whatever that's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to me a man a piece.
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  Speaker 1: You don't rub polish on a man, like, what has
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  Speaker 1: he got? Like? Does his hair's head shinier? Is he
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  Speaker 1: like going bald? Is that the kind of polish we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about? No, it's it's rubbing shoulders with nobles and manners,
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  Speaker 1: and and also, just man, Jordan, are you just stop
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  Speaker 1: picking on Daniel. He's like, oh yeah, I can identify
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  Speaker 1: him in the fog from a distance because no one
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  Speaker 1: else has that profile, the nose that big like, and
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  Speaker 1: the bushy mustache underneath. Like he's really going hard at Daniel. There,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta feel bad for him. And then this guy
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  Speaker 1: running around Conger is going around trying to play dice
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  Speaker 1: and no one wants to play because he's uncommonly lucky.
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  Speaker 1: And I was I went down this rabbit hole. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, does he have some luck? As
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  Speaker 1: he related to Matt, and then I looked at his character.
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  Speaker 1: He's the drunkard. He's one of the town drunkards. He
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  Speaker 1: has weighted dice. He cheats, he's just a cheat.
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  Speaker 2: You were you were asking earlier in the last recording
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  Speaker 2: for more people who just lie rather than being clever
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  Speaker 2: with the truth. Well, here you go, here's a guy
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  Speaker 2: who he's not uncommon lucky. He just cheats.
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  Speaker 1: He's a conger. You don't You don't dice with congers.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to have weight to dice.
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  Speaker 2: Duh, of course, right the congers are not the Coffins,
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  Speaker 2: not the Coplins either.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Robert Jordan, I know. Well yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: At least it's not nat name for So next we
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  Speaker 2: get to talk about Messima. Yeah, and how many of
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  Speaker 2: his followers there are. It's it's a reminder of this
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  Speaker 2: wild card that is that is in the army.
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  Speaker 1: And Mesiema is coming to visit, right, So he is
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  Speaker 1: separating from his army with what twenty guards to go
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  Speaker 1: to hang out with Paren during this battle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's left some of his underlings in charge.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to hold to the last man because the
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  Speaker 2: women will hunt them down if they don't. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: him and an honor guard of better armored people have
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  Speaker 2: come over to be with Paren because sure would be
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  Speaker 2: a shame if something were to befall you at the
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  Speaker 2: very moment that you rescue your wife. It's like the
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  Speaker 2: most open naked threat. It's pretty situation ever, and Parent's
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  Speaker 2: just like, I guess I have to remember to watch
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  Speaker 2: my back while I go into battle, Like he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have other things to do while he's in a battle.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, he's being pretty ruthless right
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  Speaker 1: with this with the followers of the prophet. He is
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  Speaker 1: putting them in harm's way. He is putting them in
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  Speaker 1: a situation where he's expecting them to basically be cannon
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  Speaker 1: fodder for everyone to get carved out. He's kind of
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  Speaker 1: murdered them all.
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  Speaker 2: He is effectively getting rid of Messima's army the only
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  Speaker 2: way he knows how, which is violently. Yeah. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: he's you know, justifying it by saying he's using it
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  Speaker 2: to protect people who are not radical terrorists, you know,
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  Speaker 2: his actual army, rather than all these you know, completely
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  Speaker 2: brainwashed terrorists, like literally like they've been running around just
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  Speaker 2: doing like terrorism everywhere. And he's like, well this will
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're better that they die to the shido
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  Speaker 2: than my people. And it's like, yeah, but that's pretty rough, dude.
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  Speaker 1: That's but this is twenty thousand people, twenty what thousand people, A.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of people to just point at a meat grinder
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  Speaker 2: like this is some World War One sort of ambitions
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  Speaker 2: on his part.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of deaths that parent kind of just
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  Speaker 1: says they're corrupted by that smell, so they're not good
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  Speaker 1: any more.
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  Speaker 2: He just gets to arbitrate these people's worth, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Which then to me. It makes it it's harder for me.
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  Speaker 1: Then when he's like, well, those white Cloaks have value,
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  Speaker 1: like we shouldn't kill the white Cloaks, and I'm like, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: mister murdering twenty thousand of the prophets followers.
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  Speaker 2: That does seem a schoship, a critical.
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  Speaker 1: Just a little bit. These people are bad, but those
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  Speaker 1: people they're just misguided.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this cult has gone too far. But this cult
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  Speaker 2: is like I thought you would be more of a hardliner,
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  Speaker 2: binary sort of thinking on that parent.
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  Speaker 1: Again, this is where I think Aaron could have come in,
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  Speaker 1: Like you give Aaron, you know, have Aaron take over
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  Speaker 1: for the prophet, have him come to realization, have him
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  Speaker 1: tone down the fanaticism a little bit, and have him
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  Speaker 1: be more of a reasonable follower of the dragon reborn
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  Speaker 1: and paren and have him become the new leader and
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  Speaker 1: have these people involved in the last battle then sacrifice
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  Speaker 1: them in fairness.
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  Speaker 2: That is kind of why he gives the White Cloaks
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  Speaker 2: a second chance, is because oh God, totally is that
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  Speaker 2: new leader who seems to be wanting to pull in
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  Speaker 2: a different direction. I really would have loved to see
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  Speaker 2: Aaron like, yeah, like take over for the prophet and
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  Speaker 2: somehow like bring the rest of them through a deradicalization process,
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  Speaker 2: somehow having.
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  Speaker 1: Like the one that he's gone through himself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like somehow pull them all through and then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they all go down to a man in the
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  Speaker 2: last battle because that's what the last battle needs. But
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  Speaker 2: they get saved for the last to be thrown at
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  Speaker 2: the last battle rather than yeah, being wasted on other humans.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's parents strength's right strength. He is bringing together
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  Speaker 1: all of these desperate groups of people to fight under
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  Speaker 1: one banner for the Dragon Reborn. That's what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: That's why he's going on this Teverean journey and recruiting
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  Speaker 1: Sean Chan and White Cloaks and Two Rivers folks, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's bringing these groups together and and ay Eel, right,
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  Speaker 1: he's bringing these groups together. Yeah, you know, I'd like
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  Speaker 1: I would have liked to see him incorporate the brotherless,
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  Speaker 1: see him incorporate some of the less radical people. You know,
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  Speaker 1: have this army be a true pantheon of people from across.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that would have been so cool if a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of Ayeel who couldn't accept Rand could accept paren right
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and like they weren't able to accept the Kara Kharan,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: but like they can follow the dragon reborn via parent
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: and like, in that way, Rand is able to marshal
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: more of the ideal than Yes he could. Yes, that
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: would have been really really satisfying.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And then you bring have Matt bringing in the shan
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: chan that you didn't think would otherwise fight, right, like,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and so he they both bring in, like Paren brings
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: in this incredible amount of shidoh and two rivers folk
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and you know this this not shido but brotherless right yeah,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and all these people and the wolves, and like, yeah,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he brings in this incredible army. And so that's that's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: what I would like to see, is like Paren and
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Matt both bringing in their own armies to the battle.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I mean they do, they do bigger and even better.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but yeah, it is a shame that once
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: he gets fi Yo back, suddenly he's able to make
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: these like elevated arguments about how even though the White
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Cloaks are like terrorist murderers, they should be allowed a
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: chance to fight trolls. But he couldn't see that for Masiema,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: because for Messeema's cult, because Messeema's cult was a means
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to an end for getting FIGHTEO back, And granted, Sanderson
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: does have him wrestling with his moral hypocrisy about that later,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just the White Cloaks don't seem to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: deserve a second chance, given that their entire multi century
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: military history is about being terrorists. Masseema's cult has been
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: around for like a year, right, you know, like the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: White Cloaks have been around for centuries. Like I don't know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like they're sort of equally beyond redemption where
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: as they should be. But oh well that's not what
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: we get. I mean, yeah, they do believe differently spent uncle,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that is true, Like they're not the same, but from
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: where parents sitting, it seems like they should look the
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: same given what parent has specifically suffered from the White Cloaks.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But I mean, they're all thieves and murderers.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: There's a certain amount of smell to it, right, they
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: smell crazy.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: He does literally describe them both as having that smell.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: But also there's a lot less White Cloaks by the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: time he's dealing with them. It's like seven thousand white
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Cloaks about to twenty thousand of Messima's rabbles, so there
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: might also be a sheer momentum to it. It's easier
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to deal with. Also, also, let's not forget classism. The
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: White Cloaks are all cavalry, right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And with armor, full set of armor, right, yeah, followers.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're not just rabble. They're a genuine trained
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: military force, so they're higher value, which means that it's
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: more valuable to keep them.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: You know, how how many white cloaks is twenty thousand
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: rabble worth one thousand two five? Probably? Not right? Could
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: could five five thousand cavalrymen run like run down twenty
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: thousand rabble? Probably? Yeah? Yeah, you know, yeah, so yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: they're not very valuable as troops anyway, I guess it's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: sort of the point. But yeah, it just it does
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: seem like extermination, while satisfying, is the wrong answer for paran.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think generally extermination is not the right answer.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: You know, we probably are meant to be left dissatisfied
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: by an answer that involves yeah right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Right, But I guess it's just the focus on fail.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to have flawed heroes, right, this is
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: this is a flaw.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: So he encounters the I'd call it the Magden, the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and Or crowd. The yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Basil Gill and he yeah, he's sending them off. This
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: is kind of what triggers the encounter with the White Cloaks. Right,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: he takes he sends his he sends his chambay in
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: with his household staff and all the furniture away, because
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: he's like, if things go badly, you can't defend yourselves.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: You should get away now. And if things go well,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: then we'll catch you up in a few days and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: it'll be it'll be fine. But then they get captured
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: by the White Cloaks. Which is why the whole trial
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and all of that happens, is because he suddenly has
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: delivered hostages to people he knows are murderous terrorists, the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: White Cloaks, and.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yet negotiates with them. Doesn't negotiate with the shot, not
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in a little bit, not in the least.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he has fail to help him be organized
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: when he has the other hostages. Right, Like, she handles
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: a hostage situation much better than he does. Also, she
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: was never a hostage, she was a prisoner, whereas like
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: these people actually are hostages. But yeah, he has to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: be very firm with Lennie to get her to go.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: She does not want to leave and she does not
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: want to acknowledge Parens, so he has to like clap
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: at her like she's a dog.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I love that. He turns to Master Gill and says,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Master Gill, you make sure she rides with you and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: if you have to tire up and put her in
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the back of the cart, and Master Gill's like, uh,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: he smelled of alarms. Suddenly, no, I'm not fucking dealing.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Lenny will kick my butt, are you kidding me? Like yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Master Gill is not interested in being the one responsible
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: for tying up Lenny.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But then Lenny accepts that this is the safest
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: thing for her and she does not make Master Gill
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: have to deal with that level of heart attack, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: she just cooperates, which is good. And we also get
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a brief mention of some shidow Guy Shine who have
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: been captive since the battling and are only a few
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: months away from the end of their year in a day,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: which is just a fun little like reminder that there
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: are shidoh who have nothing to do with this entire
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Malden situation because they've been Guy Shine the whole time,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Like there are actually Shida running around as a guy
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Shine who are going to slowly be trickling back into
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: ael society in the aftermath of things that they could
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: not have affected the entire time.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: There's a real question like what are those Are they
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: going to go back to shidow? Are they going to stay?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Like that's where I think some people who stay guy
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: shine and never give it up. Some people throw away
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the spear, right, Like, I mean, what do you do
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: if you're a shidow and you just watched your people
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: basically get wiped out? Yeah, for the second time, for
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the second time, and like you're free, and you're like
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to be like yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Free to do what?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Free to go home to nothing? Like yeah, yeah, that's
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that's a wild problem that they have to deal with,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: and not.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: One that's really addressed in the books.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, not really, not really.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: There's there's a certain amount of cultural fallout that I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: feel like we just leave behind when we go to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Sanderson that it's more about the events of the battle
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and the last battle and we kind of stop caring.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: The people are all there to fight, and they all
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: kind of say we're gonna worry about society later because
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: we need to survive the last battle first, which makes sense.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But there is a lack of for me this there's
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a bit of lack of closure as to how do
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: some of these things. But I mean, you know, it's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the wheel of time, right, there are no endings, right,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and you don't get closer on some of these things.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: They're just gonna be problems and if you were writing
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: another story, you'd get to talk about it, but they're not.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So we just have to imagine this is a problem
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and part of society moving forward with the with the iyel.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so some maidens come back saying, you know, we've
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: killed our first shadow for the day, We've taken out
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: some centuries, lost a couple of our own, like the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: butcher's bill is starting to rack up already.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dead.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And then we get mentioned of Arham and how he
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: gravitated towards Messima and seemed almost to bask in some
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: light that Messima gave off Arab and parent thinks, oh,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: maybe I should have sent him away like a child.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: That probably wouldn't have worked. And thus the fact that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Aaron is going to die today gets sealed.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Any reason why Berylene is wearing her cornet.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I assume that it just is the right thing to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: do on a day when your soldiers are going to
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: be fighting in a big battle. Like it's what the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: queen does or the monarch does, is like, you dress
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: up in your best. This is a big day for you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: You're asking men to die for you. The least you
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: can do is look as regnal as possible.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: It's just parents for some reason, what do you think, Like.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: You it seems really obvious.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems really obvious. Yeah, Okay, I have the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: same sort of thing where I was like, what do
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you mean for some.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Reason wearing her parade best? Like why is this hard? Sir?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Also, like if Faylle's coming back, I think she's, you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: wants impressed.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Because like, I, yeah, for sure, at.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: This point, I'm convinced Berlene is into Fayelle as she
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: is into parent And that's like, oh yeah, her interest
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: has definitely waned in Paren without fayel there to compete with, right,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: That's that's what she loves. She loves the competition. That's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: why Paren's been safe this whole time. There's no one
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to compete with. It's really boring.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so when she rescues Faille, she wants to be,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you know, with her horse and her dress and her crown,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: all looking their best.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And I know, I know Berlene has this fantasy of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: riding up in her horse and saying welcome back as Fayelle,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like in her muddy dress, like oh, thank you, you've
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: saved me, you know, like you just you know, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you took such good care of paren while I was gone,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Like just I know, this fantasy's playing out in Berline's head,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and of course she's got to look her best for.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It, right, Yeah, totally, totally. Berlin lives for the drama.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: M She's not the only character who enjoys tea in
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: this series. It's just a different kind of tea indeed. Indeed,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: so they send one of the wise Ones to do
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the healing instead of the I Sid Eye because she's
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: more skilled, which is sort of an interesting sort of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: conversation about where the wise One skills. Like they have
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: taken the learning from I mean, I think mostly Agwayne
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and Moraine.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I think they've been learning from Sea to Missouri. I
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: mean I think that having them just around, they've been
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: exchanging weaves.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, because they've taken on all the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Isid Eye apprentices for a long.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Time, right, even the ones who are not technically apprentices,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: they're still basically apprentices, so like they've been learning from them,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: they've been extracting information from the eyeid Eye.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I love that the universal interaction between the Wise Ones
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and the I Sid Eye is wise ones going, oh,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you need some.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Learning, right, Like you have some academic knowledge, but you
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: your practical applied versatility is really lacking. But yeah, I said,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I do have some academic knowledge that like actually does
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: expand the Wise Ones's ability to do stuff like healing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Like they didn't know some of this like technical stuff.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But as soon as they have that info, they're running
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: with it in a way that the Eyes to Die
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: are left in the dust about right. Paren gets a
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: mention of Rand, which gives him a flash of colors
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: showing him that Rand has lost his hand and.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He's hanging out with Min and a tall man in
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a black coat. I think that's just Logain because that's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: who he was talking to. Ye again, that's going to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: be after the last chapter two chapters ago, right, So
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: when in episode five, when he lost his hand.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all all kinds of aligned right now. All
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the timeline.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan's like, all right, I'm sinking it up hard right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: The guy who makes the timeline was like, oh, this
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: is easy breeze.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Indeed. So there's some questioning about why Honora and Missouri
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: have been meeting with Massima and why he's been allowing it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I still don't understand all that stuff. It doesn't seem
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: like it really matters.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's one of those things where they thought
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: they could talk him into not they didn't realize he
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was crazy, I think is what it boils down to,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and they thought they could talk to him like another ruler.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: They thought they could be the isid I who talks
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: him around to a sane place, and they just didn't
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: realize they were dealing with religious fanaticism. And it took
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: them a lot longer than it should have for them
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to understand that their abilities were never going to convince
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: this man to act in the way that they thought
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to, and that he was a rabbit
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: dog that needed to be put down. And I think
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it just everybody else saw it, and they're just self delusion.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Themselves into thinking they could talk him out of it. Sure, yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that's that's the only thing I've got, right, And then
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: there's that whole like weird thing where Noura thing feels
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: like she betrayed Berylayne and that's why she burns herself
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: out to rescue Gallaud. Right Like, so this is all
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: leading up to the rescue of Galud and bringing him back,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: which is leads to the demise of Demondrad. Right. Yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: so this is all important in that the death of
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Demondrad and the winning of the battle.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah well really, I mean, glag could have died. His
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: part in that battle was already done, but was saved
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: as sort of beside the point. Oh no, because he's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: able to hand off the things exactly.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He has to hand off the medallion. If he doesn't
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: hand off the medallion, Land never gets.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: It, right, No, yeah, you're right. He does have to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: get saved in order for Demondred to die. It's all
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: so we can kill Demondred.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Mm. Yeah. Paren hates being around Messima because he constantly
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: talks about the Lord Dragon and he's constantly like the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: colors of swirling and constantly seeing Rand, which he doesn't
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: want to because we all know what Rand's been up
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: too lately with the women in his life, because Matt's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: had a couple of glimpses. Everybody knows what RAN's doing
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in bed. He's bonded to too many damn people.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they get some scouting reports from the Shan Chan
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that the other i Yield clans, the other Shidow clans
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: are coming pretty quickly from both sides, and then Parent
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: decides they won't get here in time. We go forward
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: as planned. We're not adjusting anything.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: He said earlier in the chapter they'd be done by noon,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and then they said these people aren't going to get
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: here by noon, which is cutting it kind of close
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: if you need to, like, you know, escape, But I'm
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: assuming gateways are going to be enough for them to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: get out, right. I don't hear something or something I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: don't remember what ends up happening with those extra.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Stop and then turn around. What happens is like their
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: forward scouts see the battle happening, they see the Shadow losing,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and the clans both stop and then retreat, and I
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: think they ultimately do move into Malden afterwards, But like
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: they they don't engage.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Do they become part of of Thrava's sort of.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Presumably, yeah, presumably they join up with her on her
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: way out, and yeah, this pov ends with the wolves howling,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: so again sinking us up with what was happening in
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the last chapter. So we switch povs back to Fayel.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: More time has passed. Everyone's throat is dry, Makedan's strength
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: is running down. She's not making the scarf move as
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: often as before. But we've now been found. The faces
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: appear at the edge and the rescue operation begins in earnest.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: This is where Therrell and Aravine finally managed to you know,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: spot them and say yes they're a and sort to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: communicate about how Aryl tracked them, and then he was
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: crying and he saw Gillina pull the lever, and then
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Roland says, we can catch up later. For now, I
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: need to get you out of this literal death trap fail.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Galina had promised, could the woman be black a Jahn?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: You think you think Fayil, Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes she did, she very much could.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, the brothers show up and start digging
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: them out, and you know, of course promises to smack
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: her bottom and then kiss.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Her isn't that great?
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I was good, not corrosive. Crosive is not the word
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for, Yes, thank you. VG.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Coercive coercive, Yes, he's being coercive, Yes, very much so.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And this is the part where Fayel decides that if
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: she has to sleep with him in order to get out,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: she's going to do it, and that's why she feels
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: guilty later. She hasn't done anything to feel guilty about
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: until now, but this is the moment when she thinks,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: if I have to do what I have to do,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it and PAREN will never have
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: to find out. This is the moment she betrays parent
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: in her own mind.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Even the later he says, it's fine, right, I don't
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: really care if something like that happened, like I understand,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: survival is important, and she comes back with no, very indignant,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I would never do something like that, when it's like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you know you would have.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: You just got lucky, right, And this is the moment
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: when she decides, I'm gonna do what I have to do,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and thus it doesn't matter whether or not she follows through.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: She made the decision. That's how she sees it. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: think that's a ridiculous point of no grade of principle
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and honor. But nonetheless, this is the moment that she
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: feels guilty about.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: There's an episode of Buffy which I always I hate
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to bring up, but I always got to bring up,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and it's all about she gets in her own head.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: She basically is like, I've given up. I've failed, I've
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: completely failed. And it comes back to there was a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: moment in her day when she was putting a book
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: on the shelf, and for that moment, she gave up.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: The moment later she was immediately back in the fight, right,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: but like, for that split second, she gave up, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: she punished herself forever for that moment. And this sort
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of has the same feeling to me, you know, is
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: this idea of like and didn't sleep with him, but
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: in that moment, I realized I would have to get
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: what I want, And now I have to punish myself
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: for that realization.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I cannot relate at all. I definitely have
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: never held myself to account for a bad thought. For decades,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that's never happened.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Good good, I'm glad you've never experienced that, because it's awful.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: It's really fucking awful.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I've absolutely experienced that. Yeah, I know, like never in
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: quite such stark and ridiculous terms is what Fayla is
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: going through because I don't have quite that exciting of
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a life, but like, yeah, yeah, holding yourself to account
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: for a thought you had a way beyond the point
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: of reasonableness is very relatable.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: So then that's a very quick fight yell, chunk, and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: then we're right back to Paren.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it allows us to get a sense of
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: time passing. Even though it's a brief page count, it
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: covers a lot of like ephemeral time mm hmmmm.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Them trapped in the basement basically trying to get out, waiting.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Paren waiting for people to finish assembling and organizing,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and it's just it's it's a hurry up and wait
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: sort of moments.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: As at this time, all the wise ones are drinking
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the water and hopefully either passing out or losing their
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: ability to.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Channel right exactly, we're just waiting for that to happen.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: The sun is rising, but like there's just nothing interesting
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: for the first like two hours, so we have to
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: pass it with the time jump or with the POV switch, and.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: So parent's waiting for Grady to bring the rest of
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the two Rivers Folks, led by Tam yes to the battle.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: That's like what the timing he's waiting on is like,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: go get the rest of my troops basically, And like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: when Tam walks in, I just it feels like those
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: old eighties shows when guest starred walk in. Everyone starts
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: cheering and they have to wait three seconds before they
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: can say their first line because the live audience don't
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: shut that all up. Yeah, that's that's when Tam walks in.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: He's my like go nuts because I love him.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Appearance, Yeah, definitely.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, off the left of Bluish Flash appeared. I
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: assume that's a gateway opening, right, yep. Yeah, and then
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Tam comes stumbling out with a good number three thousand,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I think bowman.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's a bunch of two rivers Folk that
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: are old school two rivers Folk, and also a whole
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: bunch of the new Outlanders who say, you know, this
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: is our adopted home. We are two rivers Folk now,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and we will come fight for you just as if
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: we had been around since the days of Menetherne.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And yes, we can't necessarily pull a Two Rivers long bow,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: but we're going to pretend that we can and you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: grab regular long bows that shoot two hundred feet as
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: opposed to the four hundred feet that the Two Rivers
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: ones do.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: We can still shoot accurately, just not with your bows.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Right, right, not quite as far, but sure we're still
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: going to take out a bunch of people in the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: space when they get close enough. And we get a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: bunch of news from the Two Rivers, right, so it's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: sort of a bump and a bump bump news update
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: from the Two Rivers. Right, mas room Time has went
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to the Two Rivers and recruited about forty men and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: boys to take to the Black Tower, because, of course
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the Two Rivers is a very high concentration of old magic. Right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: We see the Varren does it with the girls, and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: she even she's like, I would take more if I
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: could have. This is just a limit. And so same
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: thing with masroom Time.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is also when Tam says, so are
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: you not gonna tell me about ramping the Dragon? You're
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: just never gonna mention that, and Paren is like, correct,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I was never going to mention that. I will continue
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to not mention that.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: There's nothing we can do moving on, right, Like that's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: really like.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: It's funny because paren thinks that he's somehow answering or
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: not answering a question to Tam. But Tam has known
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: since the day he found a baby in a battle field.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: On the snow on Dragon Mount.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Tam knew. Tam has known that something was
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: gonna happen.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, why didn't he teach him the fucking sword?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Because he was in denial while while while Rand was growing.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Up, like Dam's dark rent. I'm convinced. Okay, So I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: like that little theory. What if Tam was a dark friend?
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: What would he do? Well, exactly what he did. He
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: would take the baby and hide away and not teach
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: him any of the skills he needs and not prep
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: him for the real world, just raise him as some
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: po dunk farmer without any skills, set him up to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: be corrupted.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: The entire speech about how it's because I was raised better.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: It's just absolutely what happened. It's just evil not understanding
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that like raising him with good farm values is like
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: actually counterproductive. It's it's absolutely like like AHAs like he's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: such a city guy. He's like raised him like a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: farm boy, and he'll be worthless.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Problem.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: It's a real problem. That's what I'm saying. That's what
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's that's actually what Sidin Insidar represent is
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the rural urban divide. You know, that's why the white
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: towers in the middle of the city and the black
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: towers out like in the country.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: You got basically a bunch of alguides so swire leaving
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the tents. I don't know why. I assume is that
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: just because parents walking out.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: No, they haven't walked out yet. They're still behind the
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: fog line and they're looking down, and suddenly a group
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of algais why head out, headed straight towards them. What
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: they're doing is they're just heading straight up the hill
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: into the fog. But paren happens to be directly in
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: front of them, just hidden by said fog, and he says, well, okay,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: looks like this is the moment that we start walking
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: out with the fog.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Then is that tavern? What's going on there? Why are
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: they leaving? Is it because the wise one are passing out?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Wise ones are passing out from the tee? Is it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: like that's I couldn't figure out why this group of algeisis,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: why are gathered and leaving the group?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: It says the Shadows sent out rating parties frequently, but
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: this one was aimed straight at paren So I always
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: assumed that, yeah, it was sort of a well we
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: do this anyway, go just sometimes go out and maybe
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the wise ones are falling asleep. This fog is a
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: little creepy, like, let's go out, let's let's do our thing.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Let's go out and see what's going on. And they
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: go out to see what's going on, and it turns
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: into a pitched battle.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Got it? So this is where he this morning. He
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: lets the knotted rope fall, right, He's like, that's I'm
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: done waiting. It's time for action.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: He also drapes his cloak over a bush and is like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back for it later. And it just
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: seems like the most random detail.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: It is a little random.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna remember which bush up on
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: top of the hillslope to come back to for your
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: cloak after this battle.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: My dear see, I would disagree. I have been with
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: people where we have gone to concerts where it was like, oh,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you can't bring a pocket knife in or something like that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: And what do people do. They take whatever they can't bring,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: or like a drink or something or drugs, right, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: they just go and they put it, bury it behind
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: a bush in someone's yard for a second, go to
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the concert, come back out, and grab it on their
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: way back.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I've never known someone to do that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I've seen it happen multiple times.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It just seems like it'll be a low priority to
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: go searching this rig for your cape after surviving.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: A battle.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: In a concert.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: You kind of have to ride back that way to
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: get back to your home base. Anyway, might as well
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: just grab it on the way. I don't know. I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: guess you get in the way and what else you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: can do? Throw it on the ground like what.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just it just feels like a
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: funny little detail. But either way, he ditches his cape
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: and his worry not cord thing. He ditches them both
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: and just starts walking down the hill slope with Arim
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: at his side. And so yeah, you get this this
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: moment where just two men emerge from the fog, and
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: the shadow think, oh, no big deal, we'll just kill them,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: and then just an army materializes, like from ten feet
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: behind them, just like.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, this scene is great. I was saying beforehand
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: how cool it was to have this moment where you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: two men come out to confront four hundred, and the
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: four hundred over confidently start charging at them, and then
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the whole arm he emerges from behind them. It's a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: very Avengers endgame, right with the portals. The two guys
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: start charging and then all the portals open up behind them,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and there's way more allies than you think. Like this
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: is a very similar right, Like it feels like, oh,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Aaron and parent are running in a group of four
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: hundred outide assist why and then behind them from the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: fog emerges a whole army.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And all of parens Aeel have to wear red
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: armbands because the wetlanders can't tell ay Eel apart, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: he's afraid that they'll kill their own allies, and so
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: they all have to wear red armbands. And they're all
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: mad about it, but it is what it is.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Do a red arm I like Paren with the knife
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: in one hand and the hammer in the other. I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: don't think we've seen him fight knife and hammer. He
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: usually has like or does he usually have knife and hammer.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I think he's usually just had the axe.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I think he usually is fighting with the axe, and
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: that's a two handed weapon. He I think this is
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the first time he's gone into battle with the hammer
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: as one weapon. I don't think we've seen him do
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that before, and so this is a new weapon set
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: up for him. For whatever reason. The hammer is not
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: a two handed weapon in the way that an ax
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: was would.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Because that's heavier. Is no. No, no, I was just
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: because I'm on my reread of the original. I'm back
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in my original reread. I'm one book four to five now,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: So I just read about him getting the hammer, and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it's a ten pound hammer and it's about twice the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: weight of the five pound acts. Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: So I don't know why he treated the acts like
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: a two handed weapon and the hammer as a one
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: handed weapon, but for whatever reason, that's how he's fighting
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: in this battle. And so, yeah, he has a knife
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: in his offhand.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I mean he's powerful enough to swing the ten pound hammer.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: That's like the whole thing is like, he is strong
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: enough to do that, and that's incredibly strong. Again, it's
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: not on juggling levels of unrealistic in these books. But
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it's pretty unrealistic, right, Like a ten pound hammer is
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: too much weight to swing for very long, especially in battle. However,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: it is devastating.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, blunt forest trauma is quite powerful. Tam has
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: this comment about how he had hoped never to hear
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: the aeal spear and buckler rattle again. He's like, yeah,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I heard that sound in the Ieal War, reminding us
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: about when he found Rand, right, like the Ieal War
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: was the last time he heard that sound. And he's like, hmm,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: that's given me some uncomfortable flashbacks.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Like oh, that's bad. That's bad.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And they're they're still waiting to see if the tea worked,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: and they're waiting, waiting, waiting. Tam is getting the battle started.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: They're waiting, waiting, waiting.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: He's talking this this wise one Adara, I like this.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: He suspected she was far older than she appeared. She
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: appears about parents age. Wicky says she's anywhere from seventy
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: to one hundred and forty, So yeah, not exactly twenty.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Uh huh uh uh yeah, a bit older than you, Yeah, just.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: A little bit. You were right, she is a bit older,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: So I thought that was an interesting little He's like,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: she seems older. I'm like, yeah, she is a lot
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: nice catch.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: And then they learn they see the Man of fireballs
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: coming out and they say fifteen to twenty wise ones
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: escaped the tea, which means hundreds of wise ones.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got most of them, ducks right now, they
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: got most of them for sure.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Therava and a few of her people basically
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: are most of who escaped.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm wondering how many of them are seeing
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: how few people are actually channeling and just aren't responding
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: right right, there might there might be as many as
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: another fifty right who didn't get caught. We're just like, nope,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that's that's not enough of a response.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: That doesn't seem very ieal, no.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, but it does seem very shadow.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Eh true true. And she thinks also about this, this
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: is the the shadow had violated to such a degree
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: it was questionable whether they could be a yeel any longer.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Right right, That's where they're not really illeal.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, I guess we're going to allow you to
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: get sold into chattel slavery with the Shan Shan because
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: you aren't actually part of our planet or our kith
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: and kin anymore.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And so those four thousand or five thousand all god, sis,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: why turn into twenty thousand because they all now there's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: a force out there challenging them that basically brings out
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the rest of the force, and it's pretty much all
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the fighting forces and that the Shidow have as far
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: as I can tell.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they go from wandering around getting breakfast to full
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: battle formation in like five minutes, and then they start
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: singing in parts they wash the spears song mm hmm.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: And then Tam remembers that geometry is a thing and
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: uses the elevation to his advantage to fire parents like, oh,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: it's too soon. But then it's like, no, they had
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: their much higher than the shadow. They've got longer reach
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: than the normal.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: It feels like something that parents shouldn't have missed is
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the higher elevation means you can shoot further. Thing like
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: that seems very obvious.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's again it's the tunnel vision of being so
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: close to the culmination of what you've been imaginings. His
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: critical thinking has shut off at the point.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: It really has. Well, it's a good thing he's got
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Tam there to be like, now.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: You fire exactly exactly.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so in each wave, they're not killing thousands
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: with each wave, but they are killing hundreds with each
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: wave of weapons, right and twenty thousand. You know how
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: many waves of arrows are you getting off?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's all about a multi phase attack. They're starting
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: out with the relatively low effort arrows because that is
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: what works best at a distance, while because it allows
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the others to close right the shidow, we're busy dealing
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: with arrows from above while Paren and his friends get closer.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Well, and while the forsaken or while the wise ones
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: in the isida can start attacking right right, So they
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: need to get they need to be in danger before
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: they can be attacked.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: And some of the shidow also peel off to north
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: and south right, that's another part of it. But Paren
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: and Tily anticipated that. So that's where the shan chin
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: are is waiting to take the flankers head on, which
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't really understand how that strategy worked until this read,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: but now I get it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: It is like, yeah, wait for them to splinter themselves
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and then attack the wings with the reserve troops. They
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: didn't know you had which are the shan Chan channelers
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: that tear apart the wings.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you outflank the flankers and then everyone has a
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: bad time.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Tyli claimed that demone were used for all
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: sorts of tasks, but the truth was they were weapons
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: of war and they and the sul Dam were very
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: good at it. And that's just The Wise Ones have
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: never been warriors ever.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: No, No, they negotiate peace. They do not lead to
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the battles.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, shortly after the shan Chan began tearing apart
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the flanks, the Isidie and the Wise Ones start tearing
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: apart the central group because they feel threatened enough to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: do so.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I thought that it says here that the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Wise Ones in the isid I both used throwing motions
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: to make fireballs. I thought that the Wise Ones didn't
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: do all the arm waving.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they did criticize the ide the I said
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I for doing that.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was a little surprised to read that here, Like,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I thought that you didn't do the arm waving, But
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Where is that. Yeah, and can you imagine these these
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is a if you're a shadow
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: who survived you my as wells, and ends up in
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: this situation, oh man, where you saw the like rolling
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: ring of earth and fire and your fellows get just
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: torn apart, and you fled and survived that and joined Savannah,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're like, fuck, not again.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be rough. And I mean, Paren, you
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: know thinks here, You know, flesh can only take so much.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: The shadow begin to fall back, and I'm like, yeah,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: how much sooner are they falling back than normal? Because
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: they are in a post to my as well as world.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, right.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Like they don't break, but they do fall back in
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: my mind kind of quickly, and I wonder if it's
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: because like they understand the futility of standing against this
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: much power.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: And so as they start to fall back, the archers
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: start to advance, right, like to keep the distance shorter
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: between them so they can continue to fire, which is
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: just brutal. Right, interesting statement here about the fair illness
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: in Paren where his blood was becoming fire. Alias claimed
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it was a natural feeling when you were in danger
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: of your life, but he had almost drowned in the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: water would once and he felt nothing like this, just
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: that interesting, like No, there is a certain thrill about
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: attacking and fighting, and that specifically killing, I think is
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: where that thrill is coming from.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Alias didn't think it was necessary to specify
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: the difference between fighting for your life and having an accident.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Paren is like, well, but technically it's not the same,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: and it's like, Paren, there's a difference. Elias was talking
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: as a wolf who goes hunting, right, Chasing down dangerous
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: prey is not the same thing as falling through the
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: ice in a frozen river.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Like, so you're saying Parent took him a little too literally.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, Paren is such a literal person, and like, I'm
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: a very literal person. But I'm like, Karen, my dude,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: come on a little symbolic thinking now and I'll kill you.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah. Then he's like in the middle of the fight,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and I assume Tayim is shooting over his shoulder at
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the shadow, right it says the shaft took him. I'm
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: just I'm just gonna assume not Tayim. Tam Tam Tam Tam.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree that Tam is definitely specifically following
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Paren downslope and firing at people who are specifically in
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: front of him because he wouldn't trust anyone else to
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: do it. But Tam has the ability to do that.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: And we also see him doing that with Lan when
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: he's going after the Mongrant in the last battle. So
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: my head canon is he's doing it here too, absolutely
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: clear him a path boys.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then eventually him and aarm who's running right
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: beside him because Aaron, you know, Aaron even earlier has
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: parent thinks he has this scent of someone who's going
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: into you know, hunting dangerous prey, and it's like he's
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: hunting you. He knows that he's going to turn on
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: you and kill you at some point in this battle.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: That's why he's keeping you. That's why he smells focused
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: like that's what he's doing. And so yeah, they plunge
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: into the hand to hand combat side by side. As
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the battle gets joined, they work very well to take
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: out the first six people. It's a pretty intense, intense
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: little fight sequence, and then the chapter ends as as
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: they pass through their first six pack of shido.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I mean this the description is brutal. He blocks his
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: spear with his knife, parents swung his hammer. The shidow
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: tried to stop it with his buckler, but he altered
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the swing slightly and heard the bones in the man's
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: forearms snap under ten pounds of steel swung by a
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: blacksmith's hammer. I mean, I mean brutal. Right, this is
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: like skilled fire who tries to go for a block
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and all and Parent just basically a nice block. I'm
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: crushing your arm anyway.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Right, this is not a finesse move. I'm doing just
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: pure momentum.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: And then he just cuts the guy's throat because he
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: got his arm crushed and he has no defenses anymore.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's Paren is a force of
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: fucking nature. He is huge, he is brutal. I mean,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: he is thor with his hammer.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Because that is what he's doing. He's rolling through them
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: like a boulder tumbling downhill. And they're all, you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: dexterous fighters that are all nimble, and it's like, but
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: how do you fight a landslide?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Right, you don't. You don't get out of its way
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: or you die. Yeah, And that's what Parent is here
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: is a landslide with I mean, with Aaron being incredibly
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: you know again, this is one of those situations where
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: like really Aaron in his nine months of training, is
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: a better swordsman than these ieel who were raised on
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: spear or spearman. Like, I know he's obsessive, but come on, Yeah,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Aaron's skills always seemed unreasonable to me, more so than
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: even like Rand's.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Agreed, It's like Aaron has is even better than Rand
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: at picking up sword skills. Like it's just like, I'm sorry.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: That's at least Rand all the boys. The three boys
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: have the advantage of memories that aren't theirs, right, Paren
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: can pick up wolf memories for the generations, you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: whether that's on an instinctual level when he's fighting. I
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: do think that helps him fight better. Right, Matt has
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: all of the memories from he had some of those
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: memories from before he went through the gateway. He has
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: all of these memories about battle now that he has
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: gone through the gateway and got his holes filled. And
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Rand of course has you know, LTT's legitimate memories in
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: his head. So it's just interesting that all three of
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the boys sort of get this like level up where
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: they don't actually they can get skills externally from other.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: People, right, And we're supposed to believe that Aaron, without
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that is able to surpass.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Them exactly in a shorter period of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I know he's obsessive, and I know we learned from
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: the best, but yeah, yeah, yeah, go hick in my head. Yeah,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: but fire in his blood, fire in his heart, fire
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: in his head, No one and nothing would keep him
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: from yield. I love that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: It's good. And next chapter we will see him setting
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the Shadow on all kinds of fire.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: So much fun. It's just nice battle, nice little battle. Chapter.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Probably won't be the longest episode, because you know, battle
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: chapters don't necessarily have a lot of things for us
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to say about them. But looking forward to the death
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Shadow, I mean, this wasn't even the longest chapter of
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: the longest episode in the world.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: No, definitely not. But over an hour. Is there anything? Uh,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: let's see, did we miss anything we wanted to talk
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: about that we failed to talk about in the previous
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: episode that happened because a lot of things happened in
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the last month, and I was wondering if anything you
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: thought of anything that you forgot to cover.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Oh you know what, I have. I have a little
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: bit more to tell you about Walt con Okay, yeah,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: first of all, I got you some stuff at walt
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Con that I need to give you when I see
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: you at your wedding. I have some walt Con stuff.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: But also I wanted to specifically talk about the sing
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: along in the atrium that happened.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw a little video of that that
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: was really pretty.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Talker Around Riod are first of all, just amazing,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: wonderful people and they're very sweet. And I said in
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: the episode before I went to walt Com that we
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: were going to be doing what idol sing along specifically,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: and that did in fact happen, and it was just
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: as spectacular as you would imagine. They had. What they
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: do is they basically hand out a QR code. There's
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: a piece of paper, several pieces of paper card stock
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: floating around with a QR code on it, and that
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: takes you to a spreadsheet of all the songs that
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Joe is able to play on guitar. And they have
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: their little amp and a mic, and Jen has her kazoo,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: and there's also like a drum box so that way
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: someone can do percussion, Like Omar did a lot of percussion.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Even if he's not part of Talk Around Riod, he
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: does a lot of the percussion during the thing, because
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and like DT was there doing percussion. It
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: was great. And yeah, so we're like singing all of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: the songs, but some of them were the wat idol
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: lyrics instead, and those of us who had written the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: parodies got to come up and like you know, lead
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: the group in the singing of the song, and so
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I got to do and Dora an Idiot just did
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: her sublime song. Yeah, we just we did a lot
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: of them. And so there was the normal sing along
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: songs and then there was the why idle sing along songs,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: and it's just it's even more fun than all getting
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: to eat together in terms of being like a bonding
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: thing or we're just all enjoying this thing together. I mean,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: group singing is just so fun. It's just so great.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: And because of the way the hotels set up, none
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: of the patrons have an issue with the fact that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: we are filling the whole space with all this drunk catterwauling,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like we all it's it's just so many
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: people all together enjoying it and just having the best time.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: It's just really magical.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: That reminds me. I purchased an upgraded karaoke machine for
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: the wedding.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, very fine.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: So the one, the one I had purchased before, it
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: was like one hundred and fifty bucks right with and
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: it had two mics and two mics and a speaker
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty bucks. It the quality just
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. It was a lot of distorted, like you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: could tell we were singing into it, but it was
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: it was pretty bad. And then it just died. It
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: was the I could tell something was like it just
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: it was stopped, it stopped charging. So I went, you
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm not going to buy another cheap in
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: quotes speaker system. So I spent about like three fifty
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: on a much nicer one. And that will be because
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm going to spend
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: it on. It's for the wedding because we need to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: have something with a microphone that we can make announcements with, Yeah,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: that we can that is understandable, right, and portable. So
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't battery powered. It does have to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: be plugged in, but it is a much much nicer
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: karaoke with microphones that are understandable and a speaker. That's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: a much better system, and so, yeah, there will be
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: a karaoke machine at the wedding, and there will be
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of wheel of time people there who will
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: be more than happy to sing some watt Idol songs,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, and there'll be a group of people going, wait,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: what those aren't the lyrics, but I would be I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: would love to have a little mini watt Idol karaoke
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: moment at the wedding. That would be a blast.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, that would be really fun. Well, I will I'll
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: see if Jen's willing to share that spreadsheet with me.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to like get the songs on Spotify
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: so we can like play them.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was Yeah, And according according to some and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Nasai and Chat, apparently some of the hotel staff joined
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: in with the singing we're just that in even though
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: with the lyrics they didn't know.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Also, I mean there was a lot of songs that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: we were doing just like the normal version.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, it was.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: It was not entirely what Idle karaoke it was. It
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: was just Joe's range of songs. But some of them
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: the lyrics were us because Joe's cool and like learned
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: some of the songs for us.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, and for the most part, they are
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: pop songs, right, Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: They're a very pomilar songs. Yeah, it's less relevant when
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: you parody a song nobody knows, right.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Win a lot, Yeah, not so much. But because I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: had a couple there's a couple of ideas I had
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: that I threw out to you where I was like, oh,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I think this would be a great song. You're like,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I've never heard of that song.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, okay, right, yeah, well I also
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: had heard don't I never know a lot of the songs.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of songs because I just my musical
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: tastes have have odd holes. But yeah, it's just it's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: another one of those aspects about walt Con, which actually
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: they also did trivia, so I guess I was really
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I was really appreciating the Talker round Red contributions to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: wat Con this year. They really made a lot of
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: mi Con experience, specifically what it was. But it's just
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: a wonderful thing about walt Con. How much of the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: whole thing is made by us, you know, like all
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: these different people each have the thing that they're bringing,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: you know, whether it's a card game, or trivia, or
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: all the panels we make, or people having very specific
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: like cosplay missions with other people. Like there's all these
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: little things that make the amalgamated experience.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I like what CON framed as a creator's conference, but
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: like the tent for who's a creator is so big.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, if you create a costume, that's a creator.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: If you create cards, that's a creator. If you do
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: a podcast, if we do a YouTube channel, if you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: do you know, if you've even just create artwork or
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: any of those things. It's like, I really do feel
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: like the CON. You know, I shouldn't say it's for
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: those people, but like those people are the people who
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: are creating the CON for themselves, and they like there's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: other people are welcome there, but that's really the heart
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: of the CON is the content creators.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And it is an extremely big ten and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I'm always you know, drawing more people in and getting
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: them to participate to a greater degree, and like we
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: all do our own little thing, and the ultimately.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: The audiobook narrators.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we end up with this like Gleam
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: and Cloak of awesomeness and like I haven't even watched
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: back all the panels, but like all the panels are
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: on that you know, you can watch the streams back
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: because we care about having a virtual option and also
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: to allow people to watch all the stuff that they missed,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: and like there's just.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: So much and oh my god. The difference between wat
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Com panels and jordan Con panels like, to me, I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: love the cont I love both cons right, like, but
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: where jordan Con fails to me is the panels. The
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: panels just they haven't figured out how to get charismatic
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: people up on stage. But because Watcon is by creators
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: for creators, you have a bunch of very charismatic creators
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: up on stage. We're very good at talking to a
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: group of people and being entertaining while doing it. And
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I think the panels are just so good at.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Waltcan Yeah, and it's it's they keep innovating too, like
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: they had this year. I think they did this last
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: year too, but they did wat ones where they have
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: like people like eating you know, hot sauce stuff, and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: you've got TV speculation and all these different things and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: very different people organizing them. So everything's got its own
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: flavors and and and yeah, we're really all working together
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: to make this like wild circus roll down the road.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: There's too much to all appreciate at once, but like
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: the collective experience is just like wow, we are really
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: spoiled for choice when it comes to how we wants
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: to hang out together and how we want to spend
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: this time. And it's really special to be part of
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: making it happen. Yeah, and Guy Roberts, I guess was
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: involved in eating the hot Wings.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Oh good, good, good good. Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so congratulations if you were watching that, you got
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: to watch you know, one of the actors from the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: show suffering hot sauce that was created by the Black Tower.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Guys have the whole like hot sauce thing, like on
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Lock with the taint ye like taint sauce is a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: whole thing, And it's uh yeah, whole swass of the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: con that I didn't I just hear about third hand,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: but I know that it happened in the same building
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I was in while I was off, you know, complementing
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: London River on her first to ever foam like costume thing.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: She did this amazing Dane bornhol outfit like from the show,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: and I was like, it's so many people were complimenting
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: her on it, and she's like, oh, yeah, it's my
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: first time ever working with this foam stuff. We're all
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: just like, what, like this is perfect, but apparently making
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: foam stuff is really difficult. I don't know, because I'm
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: not that kind of ambitious, but she nailed.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: It, of course. Of course.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I also there, Literally I did the postcon survey today,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: So everyone, if you haven't filled that out, go fill
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: that out. But probably it'll be dead by the time
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: that I this episode is published, but they're literally nameless.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Is literally garnering gauging interest for doing a walk cruise.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: He's he's literally taking this joke bit seriously enough to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: like gauge interest in doing a walk cruise. Well, that's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the last question on the survey.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Like a cruise, like people from walk getting together and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: going on a cruise together. Okay, ye yeah, no.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's literally how serious this bit has become.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Is it's the last question on the post walkcon survey.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, watcan started out as a bit of a joke,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: so that I don't be scared when nabe list starts
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: joking about things because he just does them sometimes, truly,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: he does it really does. He just makes them happen.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: And so I don't take anything he says as a joke.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Because he's such a troll, but you never know when
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: he might actually just like follow through to the most
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: absurd degree.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: That's why we're editing tarvallin after Dark is right, because
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: like it was almost a joke, but I was like, oh,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want to do this anymore. I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: was like, huh, I could do it, and he was like, yeah,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: you want to and I was like yeah, and then
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: he just made it happen. So yeah, to be careful
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: if you when you joke around about him, because if you, uh,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: he'll take you seriously.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is a total troll. But also like,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: under it all, it seems like a pretty decent guy
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: because Con keeps getting better and it's really cool despite
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: the fact that this guy who is just a total
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: troll is on top.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: He's drunk on power. He's drunk on power. That's That's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: what I'm going with. He's just something like that, something
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: like it's something like that. I don't know, man, he
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: at least he's on our team exactly right. He's it's
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: a very matt like figure, right, how does he keep
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: getting lucky at he's good, but he's also very lucky,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, all right, Well I don't have anything else.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I got myself a new phone. I upgraded my phone
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time. I'm very
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: happy about that. It's either been hand me downs or
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: the cheapest of the cheap phone I could buy for
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: a long time. And I finally said, you know what,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to invest in a new phone. Very exciting
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: for me. Nobody else cares.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: I'm really hoping to upgrade my phone soon, but it's
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: so much work. But it's also so overdue, so I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: might be joining you in the new phone club shortly.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: I get the wedding was the excuse. So I was
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: able to be like, well, you know, I want an
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: upgraded camera if I want to take any pictures, and
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: so you know, you're able to make that excuse to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: yourself and tell yourself that's why I'm getting it, not
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: because I mean, my old one was pretty badly cracked
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: in the back and the battery life was pretty much nonexistent,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: and it was five six years old.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you're allowed to upgrade your phone every now
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, every now and then it's it's time, so gosh.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Other than that, no, nothing really. If I say wedding
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: one more time, I think you'll just cut off the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: recording right here.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I have to figure out what I'm going
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: to release on the feed for the month of not
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: having episodes. I'm thinking I might just do all the tangents.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: It might just release like episodes that are just the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: tangents between books. That might be kind of fun, kind
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: of a random sub set to collect together.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: No, that would work. I don't know. We took the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: whole month off.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we're gonna take we take a month off.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to take the.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Whole You said you wanted to take a whole month off.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: I know, But now that we're getting close to it,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is this is I need my therapy,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, my weekly recordings. I don't know what I'm
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: going to do about it, Like, uh, well, yeah, so
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. I still I might beg you
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: to record sometimes I'd be like, come on, can we record.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: It's still like three weeks away, come on, let's record.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Never would you get up? We need to do stuff.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I want to record.
• 1:12:01
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• 1:12:05
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