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L74 High Stangeness in Colorado with Katie Paige · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, guys. This was the live
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Speaker 1: episode with Katie Page on an experiencer. Grew up on this
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Speaker 1: ranch in Colorado at pre dates the Skinwalker Ranch, and
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Speaker 1: she for many years couldn't talk about it until she
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Speaker 1: got until she got into her late forties. Now she's
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Speaker 1: all over the place. She has you know, a YouTube channel.
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Speaker 1: Go over and check that out. All the links will
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Speaker 1: be in a description below, and she could use all
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Speaker 1: your support. It's quite an interesting We kind of like
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Speaker 1: just kind of brushed the surface of all of her experiences.
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Speaker 1: I plan on having her back on to talk more
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Speaker 1: about those in depth. If you keep coming back to
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Speaker 1: out these great you know interviewees to share their experiences.
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Speaker 1: So please enjoy this one with the powerful Katie Page.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Tom for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're here. As you see, sometimes my
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Speaker 1: brain just simply doesn't work. And that's okay. I'm getting
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Speaker 1: up there in years and you know, through time at
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Speaker 1: just you know, I'm not bothered by it anymore. So
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Speaker 1: welcome to the show, and I'm very happy that you're here.
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Speaker 1: Please do me a favor. I gave you a little
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Speaker 1: bit of an intro. Could you, like maybe tell me
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Speaker 1: tell everyone actually a little bit about yourself, what it
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Speaker 1: is that you do and the things that you're promoting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically how I got here. I love that we
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Speaker 2: got to visit for a few minutes before the show
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Speaker 2: because just like you, I think we're very similar as
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Speaker 2: kind of organic.
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Speaker 1: And hey, yeah, there.
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Speaker 2: Already so much of common look like so many of you.
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Speaker 2: You know. I like to say it's like it's been
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Speaker 2: a paranormal life for me for many reasons, and we
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Speaker 2: can kind of talk about things I've discovered through the years.
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Speaker 2: But my mother dated a gentleman who bought a sixty
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Speaker 2: acre ranch property out in Elbert County, Colorado. This is
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Speaker 2: the ranch for Linda Moulton. HOWE have you heard of
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Speaker 2: Linda Milton? How she was an investig Okay, so she's
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Speaker 2: you know, she's on ancient alien. She's kind of a
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Speaker 2: big deal in the UFO world. Did a lot of
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Speaker 2: work actually started out there in Elbert County, the ranch
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Speaker 2: of my childhood, investigating all the rash of cattle mutilations
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Speaker 2: out there. And it wasn't just how I mean, it
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Speaker 2: was horse and people were arming themselves. This was like
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Speaker 2: almost occurring daily, these mutilations, these strange blacked out helicopters.
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Speaker 2: Have you heard of the Skinwalker in Utah?
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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, yeah, so skywol Squy Wolf research
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Speaker 1: is next to it, and many other I throught.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's blind Frog Branch out there doing only during that.
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Speaker 2: But so you know, I, my family and I had
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Speaker 2: experiences out there. I did not live on this ranch
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Speaker 2: full time, thank goodness, or I don't think I'd be
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Speaker 2: doing what I was doing, but you know a lot
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Speaker 2: of things were happening out there. We were threatened and
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Speaker 2: were not to talk about what happened out there. So
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Speaker 2: like most people in life, you know, you go through school,
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Speaker 2: raised family, got married, you know, you're living life, trying
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Speaker 2: to pay the bills. But all those years at the ranch,
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Speaker 2: I just had these questions, like what the heck was
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Speaker 2: all that before the hitchhiker phenomenon was a really known
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Speaker 2: thing since the book of Skinwalkers. At the Pentagon, I
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Speaker 2: compartmentalized a lot of my different things, so kind of
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Speaker 2: started out in the ghost world. I've had a lot
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Speaker 2: of paranormal things happen in my life, and I got
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Speaker 2: addicted to the great show ghost Hunters, you know, Adjacent
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Speaker 2: and Grant and Steve and Tango and they would host
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Speaker 2: these events. So I live events out there at this
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Speaker 2: Saint Augustine Lighthouse in Florida. That was one of my
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Speaker 2: favorite episodes. Do you remember early on with ghost Hunters
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Speaker 2: they had that episode at the lighthouse where they had
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Speaker 2: that shadow go across the rail and then that, I know,
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Speaker 2: one of the best episodes.
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Speaker 1: So I started out, but I was in Germany, so
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Speaker 1: I can tell you a lot about German television if
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Speaker 1: you like, because we did.
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Speaker 2: In Germany.
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Speaker 1: No, they're too serious for that. They're too busy. It
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Speaker 1: would be something more like the Beer Hunters or something
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Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, they they It's just that at
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Speaker 1: that time in period, it wasn't like the internet like
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Speaker 1: it is today. So I know of the show ghost Hunter.
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Speaker 1: So when I would go home on vacation, I might
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Speaker 1: catch it. I might have called an episode or two.
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Speaker 1: But I really I kind of missed all that.
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Speaker 2: I missed all that. Yeah, I think so many of
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Speaker 2: us when we start looking for answers for some of
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Speaker 2: these unusual things. I started, you know, watching all the documentaries,
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Speaker 2: watching all the shows, you know, Ancient Aliens when it
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Speaker 2: first came out. I don't know what season they're on now,
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Speaker 2: but oh my goodness. And I learned about move On,
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Speaker 2: which is the mutual UFO network, and I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 2: I will look up to see if I have a
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Speaker 2: local chapter. I did, Colorado has a pretty strong chapter.
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Speaker 2: Came right in as a field investigator and started investigating
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Speaker 2: other people's reports and it's a really good place to
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Speaker 2: get your feet wet. That's where I started. Worked on
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Speaker 2: the Mars team. So that was a project. We're a
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Speaker 2: team of fifteen of us, and I ran the project.
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Speaker 2: But we spent three years redacting all the old paper reports.
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Speaker 2: So there was over ten thousand of those reports. But
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Speaker 2: while I was were and I made my way up
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Speaker 2: to the state director for the state of Colorado, and
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Speaker 2: I asked the torch onto somebody else. So actually I'm
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Speaker 2: here in a hotel because I'll be the guest speaker
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Speaker 2: for Colorado to move on tomorrow. So I'm coming to
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Speaker 2: you live from a hotel room. It's kind of fun,
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Speaker 2: little local getaway. But anyway, so you know, I did that.
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Speaker 2: And one of the questions I always had, I never
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Speaker 2: knew anybody actually knew about the ranch, or I never
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Speaker 2: knew anybody investigated it or that it was reported until
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Speaker 2: I bought a book called Hunt for the Skinwalker by
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Speaker 2: George Knapp and call Kelly or her PhD. And this
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Speaker 2: was before before the show Skinwalker Ranch, you know. And
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Speaker 2: I picked up this book at a Barnes and Noble.
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Speaker 2: I'm just reading the back cover, going wow, this sounds
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Speaker 2: a lot like what happened to me when I was younger.
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Speaker 2: So I buy the book. I'm at home reading it
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Speaker 2: and there's a chapter in that book called Other Hotspots,
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Speaker 2: and I start reading about a ranch in Colorado, and
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Speaker 2: I'm like, holy beep, because I was reading about the
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Speaker 2: ranch that we all experienced on And it was in
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Speaker 2: that book that I learned that the location was never known.
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Speaker 2: They dubbed it the Clearview Ranch. But County, Colorado, right,
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Speaker 2: And I learned that doctor Leo Sprinkle, PhD, now doctor
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Speaker 2: Leo Springs. He was a well known psychologist at Alaramie, Wyoming,
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Speaker 2: and he would hypnotize experiencers, so he was kind of
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Speaker 2: a pioneer in the field of you know, hypnosis and
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Speaker 2: things like that. He did studies of people that claimed
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Speaker 2: extraterrestrial visitation and things like that are channeling. So I
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Speaker 2: got to know doctor Leo Sprinkle well. But there were
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Speaker 2: also two other PhDs, doctor Peter van Arsdale and doctor
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Speaker 2: John Durr, who is a seismologist. So this was the
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Speaker 2: first time me and my family even knew anybody investigated
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Speaker 2: the ranch property. And for the past fifteen plus years
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Speaker 2: now it's been a rabbit hole of how much of
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Speaker 2: its black access government projects, and we can get into
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Speaker 2: a little bit about that and why. I believe that's
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Speaker 2: part of the answer of what's going on at the
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Speaker 2: Rocky Mountain Ranch and how much of it is actual
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Speaker 2: paranormal stuff. So it's just it's been a crazy journey
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Speaker 2: ever since because with these high strangers locations like Skinwalker Ranch,
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Speaker 2: you're talking about cryptids, the paranormal. I mean, I started
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Speaker 2: a podcast called the Trifecta because that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: UFO and ORBS and then Government and the Secrecy and
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Speaker 2: mk Ultra and these other programs getting you know, Project
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Speaker 2: Gateway and all these they all play a role in
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Speaker 2: some of these high Strangers locations. And you know, I've
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Speaker 2: always wondered, like what it is? What is about certain areas,
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Speaker 2: especially remote areas like where you are right now that
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Speaker 2: kind of attracts some of this activity, this high strange activity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's not only, it's not only. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So this is this is the fourth one I've heard about,
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Speaker 1: one of these locations that have this super ultrastrange. What
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Speaker 1: the hell is going on? Of course, the first one
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Speaker 1: is skin Walker that I heard of, then a Skywolf Researcher,
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Speaker 1: which is right next to it, And then I talked
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Speaker 1: to Tim Tim Hudson from the Meadow Project and Trey.
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Speaker 1: You think I would remember the name, but I can't
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Speaker 1: because but yeah, so and that's an undisclosed location. But
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Speaker 1: we noticed in the southeast, and I've also talked to
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Speaker 1: the gentleman from the area and Wisconsin. I think it's Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: southern Wisconsin. The Beast to Pray road that Lee Lee
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Speaker 1: whatever his last name is, Yeah, Yeah, Lee Hample. And
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Speaker 1: so that's like for location where it's like, uh, there's
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Speaker 1: just something about that specific area, but out west further
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Speaker 1: especially that you know that you told that whole basin
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Speaker 1: area there that you're talking about, there's something extra special
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Speaker 1: about it. I'd love to hear why you think so.
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Speaker 1: I've also had a personal a long time ago where
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Speaker 1: she's saying like, sometimes people are adducted by the actual
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Speaker 1: military themselves, and those that are very traumatic. Ones that
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Speaker 1: people have traumatic experiences are because of the military, and
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Speaker 1: the ones that are saying, for example, from extraterrestrials or
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Speaker 1: other you know, interdimensional beings, those just seem to be
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Speaker 1: a little more pleasant. So what do you think, So,
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Speaker 1: what do you think that is of it? Or it
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Speaker 1: is tie as coming together, like they're maybe trying to
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Speaker 1: copy their you know, their intelligence, not their intelligence, but
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Speaker 1: their technology, so they're trying to emulate, or they're working
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Speaker 1: in cahoots together, or what do you think is going on?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always been one of my main questions. Which
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Speaker 2: came first the chicken or the egg. There's no doubt.
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Speaker 2: John Schusler, who's one of the founding fathers of move
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Speaker 2: On learned of my connection to the ranch and he
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Speaker 2: bestowed upon me the original briefing documents from that location.
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Speaker 2: And then I've been to the archives and Laramie and
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Speaker 2: got everything I can find, all the reports, all the
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Speaker 2: investigations from the ranch. And we do know, and even
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Speaker 2: through Lenna Milton How's movie as Strange Harvest, that there
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Speaker 2: were military men and women on the property from we
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Speaker 2: had people from Fort Carson Army Base out there. We
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Speaker 2: know Air Force Academy was very much aware of what
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Speaker 2: was going out on out there, sheriff reports and whatnot.
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Speaker 2: So I always wondered, like, how much of this we know?
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Speaker 2: There's actually a great called the Choppers and the Choppers
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Speaker 2: because they were all these blacked out helicopters out there
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Speaker 2: during these animal mutilations, and so sometimes they were seen
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Speaker 2: in you know, connection with the mutilated animals, and sometimes
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Speaker 2: they were not UFO craft and such like that. But
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Speaker 2: so I always wondered, like, just what you asked, Tom,
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Speaker 2: were they out there trying to figure out what was
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Speaker 2: going on? Or are they causing it? In my looking
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Speaker 2: into the history of the ranch itself, which sat vacant
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Speaker 2: for over ten years. The Rocky Mountain Ranch at vacant.
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Speaker 2: The people that owned it before they was the Mulligan
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Speaker 2: homestead er, the Mulligan Ranch, and Dick Mulligan was born
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Speaker 2: and raised on this property. And if you do a
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Speaker 2: Google search on Dick Mulligan, he late in his later
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Speaker 2: years became the caretaker for winter Park Ski resort up
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Speaker 2: here in Colorado. He was an Irish man and he
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Speaker 2: was known for having bold exaggeration in the Gift a Gap.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm thinking, in my here's this man
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Speaker 2: who was born and raised on this strange, high strangest
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Speaker 2: location and he's known for having bold exaggeration and storytelling. Well,
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Speaker 2: I think we can kind of read between the lines
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Speaker 2: and go, oh, this is in type neighbors and people
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Speaker 2: in that area, which is very similar to Dulce Base
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Speaker 2: and the Archiletta Mesa out there. You know, the Utah
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Speaker 2: Basin out here, it's called the Palmer Divide. So these locations,
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Speaker 2: and there's another highest strangeness location too in Ohio, Pile Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 2: Marley Woods out there in Missouri. I just had Tom
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Speaker 2: Ferrario on my podcast talking about Marley Woods and all Coercedona,
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Speaker 2: which is highly energetic. You know, we have the Bradshaw
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Speaker 2: Ranch out there, so these ranches all seem to ping
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Speaker 2: the charge charts as being highly magnetic. So if you
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Speaker 2: go to like the magnetism charts of the United States
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Speaker 2: or around the world, you can see the light pink
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Speaker 2: is highly highly magnetic. Ninety percent plus of these locations
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Speaker 2: are extremely highly magnetic. Most of them have water features,
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Speaker 2: whether they're river streams or aquifers underground. I know David
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Speaker 2: Pilates talks about the aquifers in his Missing for One
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Speaker 2: UFO connection, and even like ghost encounters like the Stanley
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Speaker 2: Hotel in Esta's Park, Colorado. You have certain geological you know,
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Speaker 2: limestone and granite and water that all run under these locations.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's kind of this magic stupot of
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Speaker 2: these elements, you know, certain geological and in the San
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Speaker 2: Luis Valley and we'll get to Snippy the Horse here
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Speaker 2: the latest book, but we have the Great Sand Dunes
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Speaker 2: which is all crystal and sand, so.
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Speaker 1: You know, all the quarts and things that conduct electricity
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Speaker 1: and things of that nature.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then the question becomes, are whatever this is
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Speaker 2: it is it attracted to these locations or does this
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Speaker 2: kind of make the veil thin for us to interact
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Speaker 2: with the phenomena, and it could be a combination of both.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it's so good, and like, you know, we
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Speaker 1: have some time today, could you maybe like take me
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Speaker 1: back to the beginning maybe a few we'll go ahead
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Speaker 1: and get to your books and uh in a minute.
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Speaker 1: And of course, of course, and by the way, guys,
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Speaker 1: go over to her if you're listening, go over to
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Speaker 1: her YouTube channel. What's your name of YouTube channel page?
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Speaker 2: It's Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with Katie Page. Yes, please,
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Speaker 2: because I just lost she did.
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Speaker 1: She had one hell of a mulligan, and we're gonna
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Speaker 1: go ahead and try to pump her channel up. So
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Speaker 1: go ahead. It's Rocky Mountain one more time, rock.
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Speaker 2: Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with Katie Page. If you just okay,
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Speaker 2: it's got a lot of search that on YouTube, you'll
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Speaker 2: be able to find it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, awesome. We're trying to help her out
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Speaker 1: to get back to her. She was about two weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: And then I kind of I seen my, my, my, my,
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Speaker 1: wonderful moderators like, oh my god, poor poor Katie. I
14:47
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. Okay, so I wrote you.
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Speaker 1: Immediately you were like, I don't care. The world's coming
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Speaker 1: by tard and I was like, okay, okay, then yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's okay, It's okay everyone. Yea, we go here. It
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Speaker 1: is right here, boom, here's the channel. So please do
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Speaker 1: me a favorite, Katie, take me back to the beginning
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Speaker 1: a little bit and kind of like you know, your
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Speaker 1: your experiences out there and how strange she actually were.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you the nutshell version because I don't want
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Speaker 2: to go into the whole whole story of my life.
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Speaker 2: But there's a kind of an important piece that we
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Speaker 2: kind of touched on before the show, and we'll get
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Speaker 2: to that in a little bit, which is the trauma
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Speaker 2: aspect of it. But long story short, my mom was
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Speaker 2: a computer operator for United Airlines. I was born in Illinois,
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Speaker 2: actually moved out here to Colorado because they moved their
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Speaker 2: training center and their computer center out here. She starts
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Speaker 2: dating a gentleman that buys this ranch. Okay, And that's
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Speaker 2: kind of how I knew when I got the book
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Speaker 2: Come for the Skin or I'm like, that's the ranch.
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Speaker 2: Because my mom was dating a gentleman who was supposedly
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Speaker 2: getting a divorce. He never ended up getting a divorce
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Speaker 2: and she was dating another gentleman, which plays a role
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Speaker 2: into what happens. I believe because this other gentleman, so
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Speaker 2: the three of them purchase this ranch. The other gentleman
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Speaker 2: claims to be Air Defense Command out of San Francisco,
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Speaker 2: and I believe through my research and documents, there was
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Speaker 2: some MK ultra stuff going on at this ranch, the
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Speaker 2: reason being yeah. In one of the briefing documents, it
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Speaker 2: states that this John person from Air Defense Command was
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Speaker 2: using legal LSD and then interviewing a whistleblower. Her dad
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Speaker 2: was CIA and recently passed away. I interviewed his daughter
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Speaker 2: and his widow, and he said that they were experimenting
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Speaker 2: the military was experimenting what they called FM, which stood
16:41
Speaker 2: for freaking magic, which was a combination of LSD and
16:44
Speaker 2: different hallucinogens. And it stating at the branch that the
16:48
Speaker 2: aad that they were experimenting with stuff like that. And
16:51
Speaker 2: then in another document it states that there was a
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Speaker 2: gentleman by the name of Warren, his last name was
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Speaker 2: redacted out visits the ranch, felt some thing wrong, something
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Speaker 2: took over his mind, made him walk toward the woods.
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Speaker 2: It would release him and he would run back to
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Speaker 2: the ranch house and this did this to him five times.
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Speaker 2: There were strange boxes on the location, which I okay, okay, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, Well you've done this quite a
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Speaker 1: few times. Okay, okay, okay, let's slowly go into the boxes.
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Speaker 1: How big are these boxes?
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Speaker 2: And look what's interesting? What's interesting about the boxes? Because
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Speaker 2: Trey Hudson. You mentioned Trey, and I've had the privilege
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Speaker 2: of working with his team a couple of times out
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Speaker 2: there down South. Okay, wow, well I worked with them
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Speaker 2: on the team. I didn't live down there, but I
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Speaker 2: flew around you went to.
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Speaker 1: The undisclosed location with the yeah, I did, with the
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Speaker 1: agreement that you're okay, yeah, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, yep, sign the agreement.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I know, be.
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Speaker 2: Careful down south. So, but one thing I admire about
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Speaker 2: Trey's team is they're very scientific. They have a lot
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Speaker 2: of equipment, they're very protocoled. You know, I'm not making
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Speaker 2: fun of you, Tray. I love Trey. He's a great friend.
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Speaker 2: But he's very you know, boy scout military. Oh yes,
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Speaker 2: And I love that and I appreciate that. And they
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Speaker 2: always try to debunk things too. But they caught that big,
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Speaker 2: large box on flour camera where you know his team
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Speaker 2: actually disappears when they go into this box. Yeah, the
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Speaker 2: boxes we saw, Yeah, the boxes we saw out at
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Speaker 2: the Rocky Mountain ranch. What I encountered when I was little.
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Speaker 2: It was me, my mom's boyfriend, and their youngest son.
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Speaker 2: They had a pickup truck. We went to get some
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Speaker 2: tools out of this building, and then we're driving around
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Speaker 2: the Ponderosa pines back behind the ranch house and hovering
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Speaker 2: off the ground was this large box. It had lights illuminated.
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Speaker 2: It made this b sound like if you've ever stood
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Speaker 2: under like electrical power lines, you know that sounds sounded
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Speaker 2: like that. And so Jacks yelling at us, get in
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Speaker 2: the truck. It's a box. It's a box. We jump
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Speaker 2: in the back of the pickup truck. I turned around,
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Speaker 2: that box was gone. Other adults in the report said
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Speaker 2: that now, I don't know if this happened or didn't happen.
19:07
Speaker 2: I never saw extraterrestrials or anything like that, but they
19:10
Speaker 2: were said to be two types out there on the property.
19:13
Speaker 2: This what Paul Giamani dubbed the two B guys, which
19:18
Speaker 2: were these very unusual extraterrestrials with these tubes and helmet
19:23
Speaker 2: and heavy brows and very strange. And then the other
19:26
Speaker 2: type was said to be the Nordic, the blonde, blue
19:28
Speaker 2: eyed Nordic type of BT. But in one of the
19:32
Speaker 2: reports it says that they said that these boxes are
19:35
Speaker 2: lethal and in front of this John person who claimed
19:39
Speaker 2: to be with the military, they it said it had
19:42
Speaker 2: a sasquatch approached the box and it dropped him to
19:45
Speaker 2: his knees. That's what's in the report. I did not
19:49
Speaker 2: witness this. I have no idea. But the sheriff, the
19:52
Speaker 2: under the under Sheriff, Bill Wall, witnessed the box while
19:55
Speaker 2: out on patrol. He saw this box where no box
19:59
Speaker 2: should be. He wanted to approach it, but was two frightened,
20:03
Speaker 2: so he goes back and gets a posse sheriff. He said,
20:06
Speaker 2: him and the other posse sheriff approached the box and
20:09
Speaker 2: he saw the tree and the box as if they
20:11
Speaker 2: went underground. So yeah, these strange boxes are reported. My
20:16
Speaker 2: sister also when she was out there for season three,
20:19
Speaker 2: she remembers seeing a box. Two.
20:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just trying to piece it together because a
20:22
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, Marcus Elis who used to be
20:24
Speaker 1: a member of Mouffon and is now a member of
20:27
Speaker 1: the North American dog Man Association Mississippi chapter. He had
20:31
Speaker 1: a strange experience. Strange experience in a wildlife management area
20:34
Speaker 1: of Mississippi where it was a day after rain. He
20:38
Speaker 1: drove in, pulled off the road to the left, and
20:41
Speaker 1: it's about maybe I'm mid a track into the like
20:43
Speaker 1: a little part where he parked. He came down and
20:46
Speaker 1: he looked down the road where he just came from,
20:47
Speaker 1: and he saw a large, rectangular, flat black box.
20:53
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
20:54
Speaker 1: And he was just like, I don't know what this his,
20:57
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. Walked back to this to get in.
21:00
Speaker 1: It drove out, and by the time he drove back
21:02
Speaker 1: to where he wanted to go right or at least
21:04
Speaker 1: left to get the hell away from it, it disappeared.
21:07
Speaker 1: So he goes, I don't know if this is real, Tom,
21:09
Speaker 1: If you've run across anybody, please let me know. So
21:11
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to bring up the box.
21:13
Speaker 2: I need to talk to him. Yeah, I need to
21:15
Speaker 2: Marcus Ellis.
21:16
Speaker 1: Marcus Ellis, he's a He's the third, the third you
21:21
Speaker 1: were now the third person that I've heard or you
21:23
Speaker 1: know that I've heard of this, and I'm just trying
21:25
Speaker 1: to bring everyone together basically the shows about Okay, let's
21:28
Speaker 1: get information out. These things are real. Let's go ahead
21:30
Speaker 1: and spread it out as far as we can, because
21:33
Speaker 1: we're not going to be waiting on any type of
21:35
Speaker 1: you know, scientific type research for actually to bring us
21:38
Speaker 1: together on any type of any type of flag of
21:41
Speaker 1: realism that the world accept these things. So that's why
21:43
Speaker 1: I brought it up. So yeah, so this guy keeps
21:46
Speaker 1: he gets dragged back and forth five times to go
21:48
Speaker 1: to his house to the woodline.
21:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's so important that you're doing that. Yeah,
21:53
Speaker 2: so important because like you, there's Paul Sinclaire out of
21:56
Speaker 2: the UK and the boxes are something. To me, it
21:59
Speaker 2: was so out there and unusual. I didn't want to
22:02
Speaker 2: touch it. I didn't talk about it. I was like,
22:04
Speaker 2: nobody's ever going to believe this crap. But it happened.
22:07
Speaker 2: And then I'm talking to Paul Sinclair in the UK
22:10
Speaker 2: and he has a box encounter the you know UFO
22:15
Speaker 2: National Historical Record Center which is out at Rio Rancho,
22:17
Speaker 2: New Mexico now who has Project KUFOS and NIGAP and
22:21
Speaker 2: Aporo and all that. They have reports of these cubes
22:24
Speaker 2: flying around. At the Congressional hearing, we hear about a
22:28
Speaker 2: cube within a sphere. So these cubes keep popping up.
22:33
Speaker 2: And in nineteen seventy four there's a famous case, the
22:36
Speaker 2: Carl Higden case out of Medicine Bow, Wyoming, And that's
22:39
Speaker 2: an interesting case. If you don't know the case, you
22:41
Speaker 2: should look it up. But he's out elk hunting. He's
22:44
Speaker 2: an oil rigger. He's out there in Medicine Bow. He
22:47
Speaker 2: sees a beautiful bull elk, takes a shot and the
22:51
Speaker 2: bullet hits an invisible wall and drops the casing of
22:54
Speaker 2: the shelterns inside out. This case has a lot of
22:57
Speaker 2: photographic evidence, a lot of records evidence. But he too
23:01
Speaker 2: had a box. So he meets an et that he named.
23:05
Speaker 2: Also one also floats these food pills over to Carl
23:10
Speaker 2: Higden and asks are you you know telepathically, are you hungry?
23:14
Speaker 2: Because he's out elk hunting, so he must be hungry.
23:17
Speaker 2: He takes these pills, ends up in the hospital that night. Yeah,
23:21
Speaker 2: his wife, he does, he's missing, has missing time. His
23:24
Speaker 2: truck ends up miles away in this mud bog. Other
23:27
Speaker 2: witnesses see unusual lights out there in medicine boat. It's
23:30
Speaker 2: a great case. But in at Laramie Heritage Center some
23:33
Speaker 2: of the original photographs. In that case you can see
23:36
Speaker 2: the dead grass and an impression in a box on
23:39
Speaker 2: the ground. So there was a cube there as well,
23:41
Speaker 2: and he talked about being that not only he was
23:44
Speaker 2: transported in this box that was like a tesseraka got
23:47
Speaker 2: bigger when he went into it, but they took the
23:50
Speaker 2: So there's this weird Elk connection that's happening too. So yeah,
23:54
Speaker 2: these boxes just keep popping up all over the place.
23:57
Speaker 2: So there's something to it.
23:58
Speaker 1: There's something to it, just stray things. He was just
24:01
Speaker 1: like he said, the only thing he felt was just
24:03
Speaker 1: like something told him I cant get the hell out
24:05
Speaker 1: of here. Yeah, and he's he goes out with you know,
24:07
Speaker 1: he's friends with like M. K. Davis and I've had
24:09
Speaker 1: MK Davis on too, And then you know they go
24:11
Speaker 1: out and there's you know, three mouths, he's in three
24:13
Speaker 1: Indian backgrounds, heard people talking and walking around. It's just
24:18
Speaker 1: like I think also this whole you know, you're an
24:21
Speaker 1: experiencer and a researcher and an author, and you know
24:23
Speaker 1: a TV personality, but I think for the for the
24:26
Speaker 1: for the for the person for the people like myself.
24:29
Speaker 1: I've had a few experiences which we talked about behind
24:32
Speaker 1: the scenes, which everyone knows, but most people, I think
24:35
Speaker 1: most people have had some type of paranormal encounter, but
24:38
Speaker 1: nothing like really like where it's like, Okay, this is
24:42
Speaker 1: where it's bothering me on a such on a certain level.
24:45
Speaker 1: And I want you know, we talked briefly about this
24:47
Speaker 1: in the back, what this does to you and how
24:50
Speaker 1: people are trying to deal with it. And I think
24:54
Speaker 1: shows like this help, you know, people like yourself, brave
24:57
Speaker 1: people like yourself and many many others who come on
24:59
Speaker 1: and talk about these speriences so that people realized they're
25:02
Speaker 1: not alone. Maybe you can like expound upon that a
25:05
Speaker 1: little bit.
25:06
Speaker 2: That's so important, And you're one of the very few
25:08
Speaker 2: people who really touches about the mental health aspect of this,
25:11
Speaker 2: and it's so important. I'm glad that you are, because
25:14
Speaker 2: it can be very isolating for me in particular. You know,
25:17
Speaker 2: my experience has started so young that I just thought
25:21
Speaker 2: everybody kind of had this paranormal type of existence, you know,
25:25
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm aging myself a little bit. But during
25:27
Speaker 2: the ranch years. You know, that was right when Close
25:30
Speaker 2: Encounters of the Third Kind came out and I thought
25:32
Speaker 2: it was a documentary literally because it had you know,
25:35
Speaker 2: dead cows and mutilations and balls of light and all
25:38
Speaker 2: these things. And I'm like, oh, yeah, this is my life.
25:40
Speaker 2: I'm watching it right now. But it's very isolating, and
25:44
Speaker 2: I can remember, especially being threatened and were not to
25:47
Speaker 2: talk about it. So my mother and her boys, oh, who.
25:51
Speaker 1: You were threatened?
25:52
Speaker 2: We were threatened, yes. And what's really fascinating my sister
25:57
Speaker 2: she's six years older than I, so you know, she
25:59
Speaker 2: was you know, finishing her last years of high school
26:02
Speaker 2: during this time, so she has I'm nine, ten eleven
26:05
Speaker 2: years old. She's older, so she has very specific memories
26:08
Speaker 2: of what she encountered out there. We experiences some things together,
26:13
Speaker 2: but yeah, so the scariest night out there, and this
26:18
Speaker 2: is why we if you watch Beyond Skinwalker, when we're
26:20
Speaker 2: on the radio and I'm trying to communicate, we're trying
26:23
Speaker 2: to you know, kind of re enact and communicate with
26:27
Speaker 2: whatever that was that happened on that most scary night
26:29
Speaker 2: on the ranch. And what happened was we were all there.
26:33
Speaker 2: It was the boys is mother's birthday, so my mom's
26:36
Speaker 2: dating This guy named Jackie has three sons. The two
26:38
Speaker 2: younger sons lived with us about forty five minutes away
26:41
Speaker 2: so they can attend a larger school district. The oldest
26:45
Speaker 2: son stayed on the ranch full time, so we would
26:46
Speaker 2: drive the boys back and forth to see their mom
26:49
Speaker 2: and you know, help around the ranch on the weekends.
26:51
Speaker 2: And that's where we had our experiences. And we'd hear
26:54
Speaker 2: police being called and more mutilations being done, and this
26:57
Speaker 2: kind of thing. This went on for three years and
27:00
Speaker 2: so on that particular night, it was, you know, all
27:04
Speaker 2: the adults are hanging out in the front room of
27:06
Speaker 2: the ranch house playing board games. Me, my sister, and
27:09
Speaker 2: the three boys are hanging out in the back bedroom.
27:12
Speaker 2: And this hum sound was something that would happen. Sometimes
27:15
Speaker 2: the hum would be like the touse hum. It would
27:17
Speaker 2: be so loud you couldn't hear yourself talk over it.
27:19
Speaker 2: Anytime that hum would happen, something unusual, whether it was
27:23
Speaker 2: a cryptid an orb, some crazy was going to happen.
27:27
Speaker 2: So the hum starts up, We're all freaking out. The
27:30
Speaker 2: power in the house goes out, so there's no power.
27:33
Speaker 2: This bright, bright light out of the boys' bedroom is
27:37
Speaker 2: out on the ranch. We're like, what the hell is this?
27:39
Speaker 2: And at that very moment, it was like coming out
27:41
Speaker 2: of every orifice in the house. But it was this
27:44
Speaker 2: electronic sounding voice. And the reason I know what it
27:49
Speaker 2: says verbatim is because it's in the original Apple report
27:52
Speaker 2: as being reported, which we didn't know anybody reported it,
27:55
Speaker 2: but there it was. It said, attention, we have allowed
27:59
Speaker 2: you to remain We have interfered with your lives very little.
28:03
Speaker 2: Do not cause us to take action which you will regret.
28:07
Speaker 2: Your friends will be instructed to remain silent concerning us.
28:13
Speaker 2: My mother took that very seriously. Now the investigator in
28:16
Speaker 2: me is like, Okay, is this mk Ultra? Is this
28:19
Speaker 2: the military? Because I learned something about plasma ble technology.
28:24
Speaker 2: Plasma ble technology is where they pipe human sounding voices, which,
28:29
Speaker 2: by the way, when I researched it on YouTube, they
28:32
Speaker 2: sound very electrical sounding, just like that voice I heard.
28:36
Speaker 2: Where they can pump human sounding voices out into the
28:39
Speaker 2: field of battle. So you're not putting men in men
28:43
Speaker 2: at risk and war. And I'm thinking, were they experimenting
28:46
Speaker 2: with plasma ball technology out there at the ranch. It's
28:49
Speaker 2: a possibility. I'm not saying all this stuff was extraterrestrial
28:53
Speaker 2: and nature. In fact, I'm more of a skeptic than
28:55
Speaker 2: a lot of people want to believe. I think a
28:57
Speaker 2: lot of what we see we can explain away, or
29:00
Speaker 2: it's our you know, our own stuff that you know,
29:04
Speaker 2: we've we've developed. But yeah, so that was the scariest
29:08
Speaker 2: night out there. And when I do that radio experiment
29:11
Speaker 2: on Beyond Skinwalker, we're trying to that's why they put
29:14
Speaker 2: the crystal radio in that very room where that happened,
29:17
Speaker 2: where we were as little kids, and we got a
29:20
Speaker 2: response which was crazy.
29:22
Speaker 1: Yeah. By my girlfriend, she was on the show and
29:25
Speaker 1: she told me that she experienced something like that where
29:27
Speaker 1: she heard a humming outside of her window and she
29:30
Speaker 1: heard where it sounded like a radio voice just kind
29:33
Speaker 1: of like but it was inaudible to her. It was
29:35
Speaker 1: just like like something was talking to her. And she
29:38
Speaker 1: said it scared the living hell out of her, and
29:40
Speaker 1: she looked up in the sky and didn't see anything,
29:42
Speaker 1: but she felt like the whole like the AEROI staticy
29:45
Speaker 1: and like just jumping, and so like what you're saying
29:49
Speaker 1: is kind of hitting home a little even a little
29:51
Speaker 1: more closer to me. And so they actually announced it
29:54
Speaker 1: like on a PA system to you, not like the
29:57
Speaker 1: Men in Black where the Men in Black show up
29:59
Speaker 1: and go you know.
30:00
Speaker 2: But what was weird is there was no power. There
30:02
Speaker 2: was no power in the house. But you bring up
30:03
Speaker 2: a good point. So we were kind of told to
30:06
Speaker 2: not talk about it. So here we are, you know,
30:08
Speaker 2: here I am nine, ten eleven years old, have kids
30:10
Speaker 2: in elementary school going into middle school those years, and
30:14
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell my friends and they look at
30:16
Speaker 2: you like you're crazy. You know, they're not experimenting ghosts.
30:19
Speaker 2: They don't live in a haunted house. You know, you
30:21
Speaker 2: get teased, so you learn very quickly to shut up
30:24
Speaker 2: and get quiet. So I was very quiet in school,
30:27
Speaker 2: didn't talk to a lot of people, and that can
30:29
Speaker 2: lead to PTSD type things, right, so you have depression, isolation,
30:35
Speaker 2: you start questioning your sanity. And having a half brother
30:38
Speaker 2: who you know was an arsonist, he burnt down tour
30:40
Speaker 2: of our homes. I had a lot of trauma as
30:42
Speaker 2: a kid. I was and he was sent away to
30:44
Speaker 2: Pueblo State Hospital. So I was extremely sensitive to mental
30:49
Speaker 2: illness and I did not want to be labeled crazy
30:52
Speaker 2: or whatever, so I shut down. I shut down until
30:56
Speaker 2: you know, my mid forties, and that's when I started, Okay,
31:00
Speaker 2: now I can start looking at all this and start
31:02
Speaker 2: finding out what they happen.
31:03
Speaker 1: I think that is. I think that's also part of
31:05
Speaker 1: the psychological operation, honestly, like where they say where they
31:08
Speaker 1: go ahead and stigmatize people who've had these experiences by
31:12
Speaker 1: by going and putting it out there into the grassroots
31:15
Speaker 1: of the culture, saying that these people are betting crazy,
31:19
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then you have you know,
31:20
Speaker 1: the religious aspect, you know, where people are just like, well,
31:22
Speaker 1: that's just you know, it's clearly satan, you know, and
31:26
Speaker 1: that's this is sun shining through. It was it was
31:28
Speaker 1: raining and thune and storming, walking to the tropics and
31:32
Speaker 1: now okay, there we go. I had this big line
31:34
Speaker 1: on my face. Yeah, it's it's I think it's part
31:38
Speaker 1: of it too. I think you know, that isolation. You know.
31:40
Speaker 1: I try to tell my parents about my politic guys,
31:42
Speaker 1: you know, they just help me get out of here.
31:44
Speaker 1: And you tell anybody like guy, whatever, it's you kind
31:46
Speaker 1: of like you're not allowed to talk about it. Except
31:49
Speaker 1: amongst the people who have maybe experienced it with you,
31:53
Speaker 1: and that can also be a negative feedback loop because
31:56
Speaker 1: of the trauma involved in it. And instead of like
31:58
Speaker 1: someone like, you know, just taking it in and saying,
32:01
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, I hear you. And that's what
32:05
Speaker 1: most people need to know, is that okay, even though
32:07
Speaker 1: I may not even believe you, let's say, because it
32:10
Speaker 1: sounds so ridiculous, I haven't had those experiences, but like
32:14
Speaker 1: I was saying earlier, most people have had, and they say, well,
32:17
Speaker 1: if you just take what I had and you just
32:18
Speaker 1: ramp it up, why wouldn't it be possible. So, especially
32:22
Speaker 1: when it comes to children other guys, if your children
32:24
Speaker 1: is your child, or your children are coming to you
32:26
Speaker 1: and they say, you know, Dad, mom, you know, I
32:28
Speaker 1: hear a voice in my room, take it seriously and go.
32:32
Speaker 1: And actually even if it's even if it is you know,
32:36
Speaker 1: there's a train station nearby, and you can hear someone
32:38
Speaker 1: talk or whatever it may be, you know, and you
32:40
Speaker 1: can like kind of wish it away. And if you
32:43
Speaker 1: can wish your way, then show them that too. But
32:45
Speaker 1: at the same time, if you can't at least listen
32:48
Speaker 1: to them, I think that's super important.
32:50
Speaker 2: It's so important, and I'm so glad you say that.
32:52
Speaker 2: It's also a delicate line because you don't want to
32:54
Speaker 2: feed them, you don't want to feed their fears or
32:57
Speaker 2: tell them what you think it is. But you all.
33:00
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the first time I got to meet
33:02
Speaker 2: doctor Leo Sprinkle in person and went to his office.
33:05
Speaker 2: He's like, let's sit down, and for hours we sat
33:08
Speaker 2: in time. He was the first year you know of
33:10
Speaker 2: somebody that really just listen, and that is more important
33:14
Speaker 2: than anything else. Also, journal things, whatever you're experiencing, right,
33:18
Speaker 2: the date, right the time, right, whatever you think is significant.
33:21
Speaker 2: Are you emotional at the time. A lot of these
33:23
Speaker 2: culture geist kind of things. You know, I still on
33:26
Speaker 2: a weekly basis, have stuff happening all the time. I
33:31
Speaker 2: still believe though, I think we're active participants in the phenomena.
33:35
Speaker 2: I think you have to be open to it. I
33:38
Speaker 2: think that I really believe. And there's been a lot
33:42
Speaker 2: of studies done on disassociation and paranormal activity, whether it's ghostly, UFO, whatever,
33:49
Speaker 2: when you disassociate from your physical bodies, whether it's through
33:54
Speaker 2: near death experience, whether it's through trauma, And that's why
33:58
Speaker 2: Oftentimes you talk to experience answers that have abuse or
34:02
Speaker 2: trauma in their youth for whatever reason, Because when we
34:07
Speaker 2: have traumatic events happened, we disassociate out of our bodies
34:10
Speaker 2: for protection. I did that as a little girl. Often
34:14
Speaker 2: you leave your bodies, whether it's through meditation or you
34:17
Speaker 2: go through gateway, you know, the Gateway tapes or any
34:21
Speaker 2: other kind of deep meditation, and you learn to separate.
34:24
Speaker 2: All these types of things can cause you to disassociate.
34:28
Speaker 2: And once you do that, you're tapping into this larger ether.
34:32
Speaker 2: And I feel like once you do that, and especially
34:35
Speaker 2: if you do it from a very young age, you're
34:38
Speaker 2: going to have this connection to the other realms, the
34:42
Speaker 2: other side, whatever you want to call it. And you're right,
34:44
Speaker 2: people label it all sorts of things. But talking it out,
34:48
Speaker 2: writing it out, drawing pictures, just having somebody you can
34:53
Speaker 2: share with will help with your mental health so much
34:56
Speaker 2: because so many people have experienced things, so many.
35:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's quite it's quite a fascinating situation.
35:05
Speaker 1: This is you've brought up something in a minute a
35:06
Speaker 1: while ago. I always like to come I come from
35:08
Speaker 1: a slightly different angle and a lot of these things
35:10
Speaker 1: you were talking about, uh mk ultra and them taking
35:14
Speaker 1: a multitude of different type of uh you know, I
35:17
Speaker 1: list of substances at one time and the effects that
35:20
Speaker 1: it may have. Have you ever heard of the psycha
35:23
Speaker 1: would you say? I would call him the you know,
35:26
Speaker 1: a cosmonaut of hallucinogens. Have you ever heard of Terrence McKenna.
35:31
Speaker 2: Sounds vaguely familiar? Refresh my memory.
35:34
Speaker 1: So here's the interesting bit about Terrence mcklly. McKenna. He
35:37
Speaker 1: he he is basically like a philosopher of psychedelics and
35:41
Speaker 1: strange phenomenon that he's experienced while taking them. Uh. He
35:45
Speaker 1: passed away in two thousand, but he has plenty of
35:47
Speaker 1: tapes out there on the Psychedelic Salon if anybody wants
35:50
Speaker 1: to go and check that out. Uh. He's got a
35:52
Speaker 1: very soothing voice. He's also from Colorado. His brother is
35:56
Speaker 1: Dennis McKenna, who's been on Joe Rogan. Uh you know,
36:01
Speaker 1: and uh they went downstairs. Basically, he talks about taking
36:06
Speaker 1: a thing called dimethyl trip to me, which is within
36:09
Speaker 1: our third eye. Okay, so it's d MT yeah, dive tripping, yes,
36:13
Speaker 1: uh huh and it's within our third eye. Uh. You know,
36:16
Speaker 1: and he was it's so it's indogenous within the body.
36:19
Speaker 1: And he was saying, when you take these, take this
36:21
Speaker 1: substance and then you can also would you know, take
36:24
Speaker 1: that in LSD at the same time, or that in
36:27
Speaker 1: cannabis at the same time, or some version of it
36:30
Speaker 1: where he externalized the internal soul and uh where he was,
36:35
Speaker 1: you know, one time he did something where they were
36:37
Speaker 1: trying to do that psychic disconnection and throwing his glasses
36:42
Speaker 1: away saying, I don't need them anymore. His brother going
36:44
Speaker 1: to bathroom with for him looking at water and then
36:47
Speaker 1: truly understanding it and things like that. But the one
36:52
Speaker 1: I was trying to refer to it is like when
36:54
Speaker 1: he said that he went into the d M T
36:56
Speaker 1: realm as he calls it. He would experience these entity
37:00
Speaker 1: he's called self transfer which he deemed self transforming machine elves.
37:06
Speaker 1: What they would say, what he would say, see what
37:08
Speaker 1: we're doing, you can do this as well. Welcome, Welcome,
37:11
Speaker 1: you know this, don't give into the astonishment. They would
37:14
Speaker 1: talk to him like you know, psychic you know, in
37:16
Speaker 1: his mind and he would go to another like like
37:19
Speaker 1: shot through a wormhole, and all the reality around him
37:22
Speaker 1: would disassociate. So it's just weird that when people there's
37:27
Speaker 1: these connections that I'm trying, because I think psychedelics are
37:30
Speaker 1: very there, there's I'm not saying to take them, guys,
37:34
Speaker 1: by any chance. You know this is YouTube and uh,
37:37
Speaker 1: but if you want to have it, you can do
37:40
Speaker 1: cundalini cundalini, you know, meditation for thirty years, or you
37:43
Speaker 1: can just go ahead and push a button and and
37:47
Speaker 1: go there. But it's weird that connection between what people
37:50
Speaker 1: are experiencing under these extreme mind altering maybe some type
37:54
Speaker 1: of you know, changing the electrical signals in your brain
37:57
Speaker 1: and places where you were grew up in that strange
38:00
Speaker 1: connection that could possibly also be there.
38:03
Speaker 2: Right, Well, tom, it gets better.
38:05
Speaker 1: Okay.
38:06
Speaker 2: So that night that I just explained to you with
38:10
Speaker 2: that disembodied, whether it's plasma ball technology, whatever heck that was,
38:15
Speaker 2: I just know that me and my mom and my sister,
38:17
Speaker 2: we drive the forty five minutes back to our home, okay,
38:20
Speaker 2: and I can remember walking in the front door, falling
38:24
Speaker 2: down and I was having trouble speaking. They're like, Katie, Katie,
38:27
Speaker 2: what did you eat today? And I'm trying to say
38:29
Speaker 2: peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that lasted I don't know
38:33
Speaker 2: a minute or two. So they get me upstairs to
38:36
Speaker 2: my bedroom that night and I have a full blown
38:38
Speaker 2: tunnel vision vomiting migraine headaches. Okay, I started suffering these
38:43
Speaker 2: migraine headaches really bad. I'm missing school all the time.
38:45
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Well, this gentleman approaches my mom at
38:49
Speaker 2: work again in the Denver Tech Center in Colorado with
38:52
Speaker 2: an ad in the newspaper and it's talking about the
38:55
Speaker 2: bio Feedback Institute, which just happens to be two buildings
38:59
Speaker 2: over in the Denver Tech Center. My mom puts me
39:02
Speaker 2: in the Biofeedback Institute for a year year and a
39:04
Speaker 2: half where I go in and they put little little
39:08
Speaker 2: things on my fingers, hook me up to the you know,
39:10
Speaker 2: the headphones, and basically I'm trying to lower and raise
39:14
Speaker 2: my body temperatures to get a handle on my migraine headaches.
39:18
Speaker 1: Okay.
39:18
Speaker 2: So I'm doing a podcast on UAP Studies with Jason
39:22
Speaker 2: and for some reason, the Gateway tapes get brought up
39:25
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I'm going to check out the
39:26
Speaker 2: Gateway tapes on YouTube, and I think it's the third
39:29
Speaker 2: one and they start relaxing your body. You know, your
39:32
Speaker 2: arms are heavy and warm warmth is flowing into I'm like,
39:34
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this is the biofeedback program which was
39:37
Speaker 2: invented by Thomas H. Bedinski. So I start researching Thomas H. Bedinski.
39:42
Speaker 2: Now remember this is during the ranch years when I'm
39:44
Speaker 2: a little girl, and I find out Thomas H. Bedinski,
39:48
Speaker 2: who started the Biofeedback Institute in Denver, was a navigational
39:53
Speaker 2: engineer out of Area fifty one working on the SR
39:57
Speaker 2: seventy one Blackbird navigation systems. He's working with a Meninger Foundation,
40:02
Speaker 2: the Stargate program, the Gateway Project, and the Monroe Institute.
40:07
Speaker 2: All these are connected. And there's a video I found
40:10
Speaker 2: from the late seventies where Thomas H. Bodinski and the
40:13
Speaker 2: Biofeedback Institute is working with a little boy named Kevin
40:16
Speaker 2: about my same age. Because they keep you in a
40:18
Speaker 2: THETA state and they're like, okay, Kevin, can you make
40:21
Speaker 2: it the rocket go up? Can you land the rocket?
40:24
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, why would this navigation engineer switch to
40:29
Speaker 2: biofeedback in basically working in THEATA states unless they were
40:35
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to make these craft that
40:38
Speaker 2: probably they captured. You know, they couldn't make them fly.
40:41
Speaker 2: They couldn't make him go because it's all telepathic, just
40:44
Speaker 2: like in Flight of the Navigator. It's like Flight of
40:46
Speaker 2: the Navigator in real life. So I just made that
40:50
Speaker 2: connection recently, and I'm like, holy crap, there's way more
40:53
Speaker 2: to these programs and projects that were happening than we're
40:57
Speaker 2: even aware of. And especially with the connection having a
41:00
Speaker 2: brother in the state hospital, we know mk Ultra and
41:03
Speaker 2: a lot of these projects were working with people in
41:05
Speaker 2: state hospitals. Oh yeah, and then you hear these kids
41:08
Speaker 2: that are pulled out, whether you're pulled out for the
41:10
Speaker 2: Gifted and talented.
41:11
Speaker 1: Programs, Oh my god, the Gate program, Yeah, or I've
41:15
Speaker 1: heard of this too.
41:16
Speaker 2: This is all you're you're being pulled out because you
41:19
Speaker 2: have ADHD, hyperactivity, dyslexia, learning disabilities. They were taking people
41:25
Speaker 2: from both ends, gifted and talented and the ones that
41:28
Speaker 2: were hyperactive and maybe had some trauma, and they pulled
41:31
Speaker 2: these kids out and they were definitely experimenting and monitoring and.
41:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard I heard about that recently within the
41:38
Speaker 1: last year, about the Gate program where they and and
41:42
Speaker 1: also imagine people who like, are so children who are
41:45
Speaker 1: hyperactive or what they deem or use or use that
41:47
Speaker 1: cover brank of hyperactivity to go ahead and medicate medicate
41:51
Speaker 1: them is because they don't want them to have the
41:53
Speaker 1: ability to connect the others, to connect that way. They're like, Okay,
41:56
Speaker 1: these children are maybe even super special. Maybe they or
42:00
Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe they're the ones that we just
42:02
Speaker 1: need to go ahead and medicate and keep to the
42:04
Speaker 1: side because they're so powerful. And then you have the
42:07
Speaker 1: ones who are somewhat gifted. But we can go ahead
42:11
Speaker 1: and we found something within their biology or something within
42:14
Speaker 1: our personalities that we can go ahead and manipulate to
42:17
Speaker 1: our to are our goals, you know what I mean?
42:20
Speaker 1: I think they I think there's something to it. So
42:22
Speaker 1: the mere fact that they like, what is it going
42:25
Speaker 1: to take, Katie for for this to be seen as commonplay.
42:29
Speaker 1: Is it going to be just like chipping away at
42:31
Speaker 1: the stone or is there going to be like a
42:32
Speaker 1: big bombshell moment.
42:34
Speaker 2: No, I'm hope. I'm hopeful because of you know, podcasts
42:37
Speaker 2: like Yours, the Eye of Jupiter and Tom and either
42:39
Speaker 2: there's thousands, thousands and thousands of us talking now millions
42:44
Speaker 2: of us talking now from across the globe. That's what
42:47
Speaker 2: gives me hope this you know where this used to
42:49
Speaker 2: be taboo even ten years ago. Yeah, I used to
42:53
Speaker 2: be embarrassed to tell people what I was investigating. And
42:56
Speaker 2: now it's like, Okay, here's what I here's what I'm doing,
42:59
Speaker 2: and people are eight times out of ten will have
43:03
Speaker 2: their own encounter or own story to tell. So I
43:06
Speaker 2: am hopeful that we'll get to the bottom. But I
43:08
Speaker 2: think the real secret, you know, people like to talk
43:10
Speaker 2: about disclosure and oh our aliens here, our UFOs visiting
43:14
Speaker 2: our planet. Now, I think the real secret is keeping
43:18
Speaker 2: the power of our mind shut down, keep us in fear,
43:22
Speaker 2: keep us divided, keep us not knowing our own potentials
43:25
Speaker 2: to manifest, to create reality, to interact with reality. And
43:28
Speaker 2: that goes for ghosts, it goes for UFOs, it goes
43:31
Speaker 2: for cryptids. It's all of it and we And that's
43:34
Speaker 2: the conclusion I've come to. You hear it, and you
43:38
Speaker 2: see it time and time and time again. The people
43:41
Speaker 2: that are in these locations doing the investigating and research,
43:45
Speaker 2: their state of minds and their own perspective or their
43:49
Speaker 2: own intention plays a role for sure.
43:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, intention is everything. Intention is everything. And I think
43:56
Speaker 1: in the meantime, until these until this is I mean,
43:59
Speaker 1: you know, it's off the disclosure and you know, slowly
44:03
Speaker 1: leaking of this information and slowly going to data information.
44:06
Speaker 1: We have to like that is going to happen one
44:09
Speaker 1: way or another through time. But I think in the
44:11
Speaker 1: meantime we have to make sure we keep these you know,
44:13
Speaker 1: yourself and many others these you know, like we've had
44:16
Speaker 1: these super traumatic experience, help them stay grounded and centered.
44:20
Speaker 1: You know, believe in God, belief in family, belief in love.
44:23
Speaker 1: Those things should always maintain their their their power within
44:28
Speaker 1: your life. And whenever you feel that slipping away, then
44:31
Speaker 1: you know, reach out to somebody who can help you.
44:33
Speaker 1: And I've had people reach out to me, Hey, Tom, Hey, okay, dude,
44:37
Speaker 1: let's talk, you know, And I do that with everybody.
44:40
Speaker 1: And because until this is seen as as the same
44:46
Speaker 1: as geology or the same as you know, well egyptology,
44:51
Speaker 1: which is a bunch of sorry that was the first
44:52
Speaker 1: time I went to go science is a little bit okay,
44:56
Speaker 1: that's it's a little bit underground there. Yeah, wait a minute,
44:59
Speaker 1: excuse me, I mean what did they find out there?
45:01
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. Don't worry. It is a football field.
45:04
Speaker 1: We played football back then, and still people who believe
45:07
Speaker 1: they are cryptic like tombs and stuff like that, Like, really, man,
45:10
Speaker 1: you make it too I'm not. There's nobody in the
45:12
Speaker 1: world that important. And yeah, they try to. So there's
45:18
Speaker 1: all these narratives and then the people who are then
45:21
Speaker 1: below the narratives that are thrown on top that are
45:23
Speaker 1: thrown on top of them. We need to help them
45:25
Speaker 1: realize that there's other people out there, like yourself and
45:27
Speaker 1: many others who have experienced this. I want I want
45:30
Speaker 1: to make sure that I nail this point today. Okay,
45:34
Speaker 1: you can comment on that, but I want to get
45:36
Speaker 1: into your books. I want to go into those books
45:38
Speaker 1: and and you know, you know, you said he started
45:40
Speaker 1: in your mid forties, and then I guess it seems
45:43
Speaker 1: like you've been very prolific because you look very young
45:45
Speaker 1: to me. So I'm not trying to I'm not trying
45:48
Speaker 1: to you know, butter your bread or anything here. I'm
45:50
Speaker 1: just trying to be honest with you. The first time
45:55
Speaker 1: I want to put a filter on my face, I
45:57
Speaker 1: was like, I don't look like this, and I said
45:58
Speaker 1: it live. Tell me about your books. What's all about.
46:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first book is called Letters of Love
46:06
Speaker 2: and Light, four decades of UFO encounters and experiences shared
46:10
Speaker 2: with ar Leo Sprinkle. That came about very selfishly. I
46:13
Speaker 2: went to the archives to dig on the Rocky Mountain
46:16
Speaker 2: ranch or the Clearview ranch of my childhood, and doctor
46:19
Speaker 2: Leo Sprinkle had over forty years of his archives there,
46:23
Speaker 2: over seventy four boxes, I think at the time, and
46:27
Speaker 2: I found myself well number one, since I raised these kids,
46:30
Speaker 2: I would go to the archives and get quiet time.
46:32
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is my escape. But I got
46:34
Speaker 2: lost in people's letters from around the world, people in
46:37
Speaker 2: the field, people from all over and I just started
46:40
Speaker 2: taking pictures of hundreds and hundreds of letters, and I
46:44
Speaker 2: spent three years pulling out like the juicy parts of
46:47
Speaker 2: the letter, and I culminated him in this book. Was
46:50
Speaker 2: able to share it with doctor Leo before he left
46:52
Speaker 2: the planet, and he was so proud of it. But
46:55
Speaker 2: basically they're organized into deep different chapters, like a lot
46:59
Speaker 2: of people were about, you know, was this a dream
47:01
Speaker 2: or a memory? Lucid dreaming. People would have these vivid,
47:04
Speaker 2: vivid memories of what they thought was a dream, but
47:08
Speaker 2: they involved et or craft or something. One of them
47:11
Speaker 2: was on channeling people who claimed to channel you know,
47:14
Speaker 2: et crafts descriptions. There was a eighteen hundred pre Travis
47:19
Speaker 2: Walton Encountering Snowflake Arizona. That's in there, Franceasy Warren. Letters
47:24
Speaker 2: from professionals in the field, so it runs again letters
47:28
Speaker 2: from children. And then what was really cool about it,
47:30
Speaker 2: Doctor Leo Sprinkle kept all of his return letters. You know,
47:33
Speaker 2: he was old school. He woud type it so he'd
47:35
Speaker 2: have the copy. And so I got to see his
47:37
Speaker 2: train of thought through forty years and did a great
47:40
Speaker 2: interview with Leo. So that's the first book that was
47:43
Speaker 2: just a and he signed all. The title came to
47:45
Speaker 2: me in a lucid dream actually because he signed all
47:47
Speaker 2: his letters love and Light Leo, Love and Light Leo.
47:50
Speaker 2: So letters of love and light and letter writing is
47:54
Speaker 2: a lost art. You know, some people would write him
47:56
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty page letters. Yeah, you know, people don't write
48:01
Speaker 2: school anymore. So that's pretty cool. Now this next book here,
48:05
Speaker 2: I co authored this along with Tony Angiola, and this
48:09
Speaker 2: is Snippy the Horse. It's the first world recognized animal
48:13
Speaker 2: mutilation death. And Carrie King, who is the great nephew
48:17
Speaker 2: of Nellie King, who owned Snippy the horse in the
48:20
Speaker 2: San Luis Valley of Colorado, which is a huge hot
48:23
Speaker 2: spot right at the base of Mount Blanca. Mount Blanc
48:25
Speaker 2: is a very spiritual mountain. Even warring tribes don't battle
48:29
Speaker 2: there because it's so sacred. But you're talking about hum sounds,
48:32
Speaker 2: box encounters, first world known recognized death in nineteen sixty seven.
48:39
Speaker 2: Many there was like this green ooze and a tool
48:44
Speaker 2: and a lot of physical evidence in this case. So
48:48
Speaker 2: long story short. This book came about because the long
48:52
Speaker 2: lost aprofiles that went missing for over thirty five years
48:55
Speaker 2: were recently rediscovered and acquired at the National UFO Historical
48:59
Speaker 2: Record Center with David Marler, and we have all the
49:02
Speaker 2: original photographs, now recordings and documents that right along write
49:07
Speaker 2: a lot of wrongs throughout history. In the late eighties
49:10
Speaker 2: they changed the worst name to Lady, which is actually
49:13
Speaker 2: Snippy's mother. And there's all sorts of great new photographs
49:16
Speaker 2: in this book that have never been seen before. These
49:19
Speaker 2: are like, these are some of my favorites. This is
49:21
Speaker 2: Snippy and Shiba, the two horses that were in the
49:24
Speaker 2: pasture with Snippy when he was mutilized, mutilated, and they
49:28
Speaker 2: were really skittich after his tragic death out there. So
49:33
Speaker 2: this is the new book here again. You can find
49:35
Speaker 2: it on Amazon, Tony Angiola and Katie Page. And then
49:39
Speaker 2: we're also doing a new fun little series called UFO
49:42
Speaker 2: Aliens or Flying Saucers Aliens, and the first book is
49:46
Speaker 2: called Flying Saucers Aliens and Gremlins Gremlins, which talks about
49:50
Speaker 2: like the food fighter of World War two, oh wow,
49:53
Speaker 2: and things like that. So that's a series. So you
49:56
Speaker 2: just do a Google search you can find the books.
49:59
Speaker 1: I want to go ahead and yeah, that's great. I'm sorry,
50:01
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find natural pauses. We've only met each
50:03
Speaker 1: other for an hour. I'm still working on it. Uh yeah, James,
50:07
Speaker 1: So thanks for being here, James. Okay, let's go ahead
50:10
Speaker 1: and cast a net for the for the people who
50:13
Speaker 1: are still non believers. What would you what were where
50:16
Speaker 1: would you point your finger to where people can there's
50:19
Speaker 1: something to sink their teeth into, like the average joe,
50:22
Speaker 1: you know nine to five plumber, or you know secretary,
50:25
Speaker 1: you know somebody who works at the doctor's office who
50:27
Speaker 1: just maybe has a little spark of something. Maybe they've
50:31
Speaker 1: had some type of encounter. But they're just like, I
50:33
Speaker 1: don't know if this is real or not, and they're
50:35
Speaker 1: sitting on the fence, but they also want to look
50:37
Speaker 1: at it through the skeptical eye, which I think is
50:39
Speaker 1: very important. Where were you where would you direct them?
50:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. And believe it or not,
50:45
Speaker 2: I'm more skeptical than a lot of people think. Like
50:47
Speaker 2: I'm always pointing like, how much of this is you know,
50:50
Speaker 2: black access military secrets and projects. So, Hi from Ireland,
50:56
Speaker 2: Hi Ireland, from Ireland.
50:58
Speaker 1: It is a new You're show. Welcome, Welcome to the show.
51:02
Speaker 2: A lot a lot of Celtics stuff, a lot of
51:04
Speaker 2: good book. But so I was saying to the skeptic
51:08
Speaker 2: out there, and I tend to lean that way, so
51:10
Speaker 2: I totally get it. Is number one, just be open
51:13
Speaker 2: to what you said, to listen and to hear people out.
51:16
Speaker 2: You don't have to agree with people. That's a lesson.
51:18
Speaker 2: We're learning hardcore right now.
51:19
Speaker 1: Right Just let oh my god, let's.
51:22
Speaker 2: Hear people out.
51:23
Speaker 1: Perfect.
51:24
Speaker 2: Yeah. Number two Yeah, number two. Number two is you know,
51:31
Speaker 2: I know it's controversial, but I like, like Thomas Campbell's work,
51:34
Speaker 2: we're looking at the nature of reality of itself. So
51:38
Speaker 2: maybe kind of start digging into that whole theory, like
51:41
Speaker 2: if we are, if we have an important role to
51:45
Speaker 2: play of creating the phenomenon, who's to say that, you know,
51:51
Speaker 2: what happens to this person or that person they didn't
51:54
Speaker 2: manifest and creating their own reality. So that's kind of
51:56
Speaker 2: another theory. But one thing that always brought me back
52:00
Speaker 2: to like oh, there's no ets, there's no aliens, there's
52:03
Speaker 2: nothing going on. We don't have great evidence was the
52:06
Speaker 2: pilot reports. And Richard Haynes did a lot of great
52:11
Speaker 2: books on you know, nuclear bases, military bases where their
52:15
Speaker 2: nukes get shut down, a lot of military men and women,
52:18
Speaker 2: civilian aircraft. There are boxes and boxes and boxes of
52:23
Speaker 2: very credible people that report these things. So I would
52:27
Speaker 2: say start there, Start with maybe what you believe, like, oh,
52:30
Speaker 2: I believe police officer, I believe pilots, and start digging
52:33
Speaker 2: into that. Look into Richard Haynes's work. His collection is
52:37
Speaker 2: at the American Heritage Center, and there's box after box
52:40
Speaker 2: very well documented reports in you know, transcriptions on these
52:47
Speaker 2: on this phenomenon. So that's a good place to start too,
52:50
Speaker 2: and really just start reading, start looking at reports. And
52:53
Speaker 2: that's my big message is it's not too late to
52:56
Speaker 2: look back at history and historical cases. There's so much
52:59
Speaker 2: more to learn and in so many more dots we
53:01
Speaker 2: can connect cases that we like. With the Snippy case,
53:05
Speaker 2: there was so much more to that case that I
53:07
Speaker 2: connected to the Rocky Mountain ranches. I wouldn't have known
53:10
Speaker 2: had I not gone to the archives. And we you know,
53:12
Speaker 2: we spent six more than six months reopening that case,
53:16
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad we did because there was so
53:18
Speaker 2: much more to it than I ever even knew. And
53:20
Speaker 2: I'm deep in this stuff, you know, so you know.
53:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing is you have to find whatever
53:26
Speaker 1: it is that you know, say, for example, you have
53:28
Speaker 1: a family member, like you know, an uncle who's just
53:30
Speaker 1: you know, all in you know, he's just one of
53:31
Speaker 1: those dudes or ants whatever. I'm just picking a name here,
53:35
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, to give me some little of everyone Facebook guys,
53:38
Speaker 1: and somebody that you have confidence in that you've heard
53:42
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned something, you know what I mean. It
53:44
Speaker 1: could be about the time they were in Vietnam and
53:46
Speaker 1: seeing a large gorilla known as the rock Ape, and
53:49
Speaker 1: you're like, what are you talking about? And then like
53:51
Speaker 1: they have him sit down and actually listen to them,
53:53
Speaker 1: because not only are you helping them by listening, but
53:56
Speaker 1: at the same time you are learning yourself. I enjoy
54:00
Speaker 1: everybody who comes on here, but I do have a
54:02
Speaker 1: special place in my hert for you know, like policemen
54:05
Speaker 1: or former policemen because they can't talk about it, or
54:07
Speaker 1: government officials, you know, whether it be a mayor of
54:10
Speaker 1: a small town or anything like that, who said, you know,
54:13
Speaker 1: I was up for re election. I can't talk about,
54:15
Speaker 1: you know, seeing big Foot of my granddad's property. Shout
54:17
Speaker 1: at the Darrel Denton, and so you can't. You can't
54:22
Speaker 1: just like throw everything out with the bathwater. You can't
54:24
Speaker 1: throw the baby out with it, for sure, that's true.
54:26
Speaker 2: And it's just putting a crack in that door because
54:28
Speaker 2: they're like the boxes we talked about earlier. I didn't
54:30
Speaker 2: want to touch that because I didn't want to be judged.
54:33
Speaker 2: Cryptids was another one not to mention, which it.
54:35
Speaker 1: Would do your hair were touching. You know, we can't
54:38
Speaker 1: do that, yes, right.
54:39
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, okay, I know there's you know,
54:41
Speaker 2: there's large birds like phoenixes and these like pterodactyl things
54:45
Speaker 2: reported and sasquatch and you know, these platypust creatures and
54:49
Speaker 2: things like that. But people like I don't want to
54:52
Speaker 2: believe in fairies or lockness monster or Bigfoot because it
54:55
Speaker 2: just seems kind of out there. So I didn't even
54:57
Speaker 2: look at it for years, years and years and years,
55:00
Speaker 2: and then well.
55:00
Speaker 1: The unknown is scary, scary.
55:03
Speaker 2: But once you start looking at it and learning about
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Speaker 2: it and talking to experiencers, you can't deny it. It's
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Speaker 2: like people are experiencing something. Something's happening. I don't know
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Speaker 2: what the answer is. I don't know if they're living underground,
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Speaker 2: if there they can phase in and phase out or what.
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Speaker 2: But something's happening and we just can't close their eyes
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Speaker 2: to it.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting too, because like the people who are staunchly
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Speaker 1: against that, you know, they'll say there's a rational explanation
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Speaker 1: for everything. It's like their mind is shut, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. So people who's and if you try
55:36
Speaker 1: to talk about anything like meditation or anything of that nature,
55:39
Speaker 1: or we're talking about opening your mind, they're staunchly against that.
55:42
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I was talking about I
55:43
Speaker 1: think it's a bit of a syop of psychological operation.
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Speaker 1: Guys to make you go no, because when you shut
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Speaker 1: that out, you only live within your five senses, is
55:53
Speaker 1: what they also want, guys, and want you to only
55:54
Speaker 1: live within those five senses. And if your mind is
55:57
Speaker 1: then open to certain things, then certain things will happen
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Speaker 1: to you. And yes, it's scary, but let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: the concept of death is scary, and we all know
56:05
Speaker 1: we're going to experience that. So if you know that,
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Speaker 1: and that's scary, now, imagine knowing that but also having
56:12
Speaker 1: you know, Et knocking on your door and trying to
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Speaker 1: give you French toast. You know, it's warming up. I'm
56:19
Speaker 1: warning you like pancakes.
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Speaker 2: Park fair enough pancakes or some good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll phone home and make sure that he brings
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Speaker 1: pancakes next time. Warming up, my my, my, my mind
56:30
Speaker 1: for tonight. So Katie, I'm definitely going to have you
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Speaker 1: back on if you'd be so willing to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be happy to come back on a
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Speaker 2: lot more to cover, because any one of these topics
56:39
Speaker 2: we can do a deeper dive on. But I certainly yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give kind of people an overview,
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Speaker 1: maybe people out there, because I don't me. I'm just
56:48
Speaker 1: like they are. I don't I don't know, and but
56:52
Speaker 1: I'm open and and and I'm also you know, also
56:55
Speaker 1: understanding that, like we were talking about that we delved
56:58
Speaker 1: into the mental aspects of it. I'm definitely into that.
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Speaker 1: So that was really cool. I really appreciate the fact
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Speaker 1: that you even came on my show. You know, I'm
57:07
Speaker 1: never having one of my show. Who's have you met
57:09
Speaker 1: William Shatner?
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Speaker 2: We didn't get to meet him, No, he was just moderating,
57:15
Speaker 2: So I didn't get to meet William Shatner. But it
57:17
Speaker 2: was an honor to be on that show. That's pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It's it's it's it's it's an interesting thing,
57:23
Speaker 1: and I I definitely you know, when you meet somebody
57:26
Speaker 1: that you realize there's so much more that they can
57:28
Speaker 1: be talking about, and you know that you're just scratching
57:30
Speaker 1: the surface. And I think eventually I'll be able to
57:34
Speaker 1: You're so versed on what you're talking about because of
57:37
Speaker 1: your experiences and what you do. But I'm sure you know,
57:40
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a point where I throw a curveball
57:42
Speaker 1: in there that maybe we haven't talked about before, because
57:45
Speaker 1: it's yeah, because that's how we get to any type
57:48
Speaker 1: of thing you're meeting other people might open other doors
57:51
Speaker 1: of perception. Uh. Which is a great book, by the way,
57:54
Speaker 1: two guys, if you ever want to read one. And
57:57
Speaker 1: and sometimes a question will be asked that you just
57:59
Speaker 1: haven't thought of it before. Yeah. So that's I'm gonna
58:04
Speaker 1: touch real quick on what happened two days ago. Just
58:07
Speaker 1: real quick. Let's not be that. Okay, Remember what we are, okay,
58:16
Speaker 1: and remember our processes, our democratic processes. That was awful
58:20
Speaker 1: are our deep condolences go out to Charlie and his
58:23
Speaker 1: family and we There's so many things I could say
58:30
Speaker 1: about that, but just know that the the enemy doesn't
58:34
Speaker 1: want to talk. And if you shut down any type
58:36
Speaker 1: of way of talking, that means that your mind is
58:38
Speaker 1: made up. And if your mind is made up, what
58:40
Speaker 1: did Einstein say, Katie, those who say, I know, for
58:43
Speaker 1: give up, give up, to give up thinking, give up thinking?
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you can't shut people's voices down.
58:50
Speaker 1: That's not forever. And uh yeah, So try to try
58:54
Speaker 1: to spread love as much as you can, sweep the
58:57
Speaker 1: sweep the doorstep in front of your house before you
58:59
Speaker 1: point out others, and then maybe you'll realize there's a
59:01
Speaker 1: different world in which you think we live in, right right,
59:04
Speaker 1: So thank you Katie having me one more time, more
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Speaker 1: more time. Where can we find you?
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Speaker 2: You can find me at Katie page which is k
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Speaker 2: A T I E p A I g E dot
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Speaker 2: net at Rockymountain Ranch Research dot org and please please
59:19
Speaker 2: check out Rocky Mountain Ranch Research YouTube and hit that
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59:25
Speaker 2: I was before I delete. It's said I was leading
59:29
Speaker 2: the other one. Gosh darn it couldn't believe that happened.
59:32
Speaker 2: But again, be kind, be kind to everybody out there,
59:36
Speaker 2: you know that's that's key, and keep that that is.
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Speaker 2: I know it's a rough time right now for a
59:42
Speaker 2: lot of people, but try to stay in that mental
59:46
Speaker 2: mindset of love and light.
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