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Tom Zawistowski - WeThePeopleConvention.org · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It is seven thirty here at fifty five KRCD Talk station.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, and welcome back to the fifty five Carric
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show from We the People Convention dot org. The
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  Speaker 1: site you should check out bookmark and see what he
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  Speaker 1: has to say each and every day and check out
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  Speaker 1: the podcast on a weekly basis. Welcome back to the
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show, Tom Zawastowski, Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: For having me back. Brian. Good to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: As this crazy world just keeps spinning, doesn't it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about things at the local level, you're talking
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  Speaker 2: about the national level that it just seems like we
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  Speaker 2: can't get anything figured out anymore, right, It's just there's
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  Speaker 2: no answers to anything anymore. And that's just odd to
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  Speaker 2: me since I'm seventy one years old, because we used
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  Speaker 2: to have answers, but for some reason now we got
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  Speaker 2: more information and less knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and there in lies the challenge. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: the more information problem. It's that vast jungle that is
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  Speaker 1: the artificial I'm sorry, the Internet. You know, people connecting instantaneously,
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  Speaker 1: strangers from across the globe, interacting with our young people
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  Speaker 1: and children, and engaging nefarious actions along those lines. Extorting people.
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  Speaker 1: You got artificial intelligence, deep fake videos and software they
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  Speaker 1: can convert a regular picture of a clothed person into
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  Speaker 1: a newty that embarrasses young people and drives them to
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  Speaker 1: suicide and all the attendant. I mean, we could go
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  Speaker 1: on for hours and hours and hours. It's just it's
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  Speaker 1: technology has moved so fast we can't keep up with it.
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  Speaker 1: And then we're left with elected officials who don't know
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  Speaker 1: Jack's squat about it to try to put laws in
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  Speaker 1: place that are going to save us from ourselves. Tom,
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  Speaker 1: you had a story over the other day on your
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  Speaker 1: website about this Sixth Circuit Court upholding Ohio's age verification
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  Speaker 1: on social media, and the reason that had to be
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  Speaker 1: enacted is because parents don't take the time to figure
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  Speaker 1: out that they have it within their own power to
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  Speaker 1: prevent their children from accessing porn online. Yeah, you can
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  Speaker 1: do it on your own parents, but apparently parents aren't
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  Speaker 1: doing that, so we need a law put in place
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  Speaker 1: to require age verification. That's a challenge. But see, this
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  Speaker 1: is something that we could all take care of ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just gotten too fast for us.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and they haven't told us the truth. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you watch them really epic social Dilemma that aired
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  Speaker 2: on Netflix years ago, where the people's at Twitter and
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  Speaker 2: Facebook and you know all these social media companies Instagram
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  Speaker 2: and snapchatnel, they knew what they were doing. None of
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  Speaker 2: the people who made this software that take your kids
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  Speaker 2: attention and controls it, they don't let their kids use
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  Speaker 2: any of this. None of them go watch the movie.
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  Speaker 2: They don't let their kids use any of this. And
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  Speaker 2: we were not told or warned or given any tools
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  Speaker 2: to protect our kids. That's why we are where we
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  Speaker 2: are today. And it's just you know, I urged you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing up that story that we people
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  Speaker 2: convention that org. Because if you go to that story
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  Speaker 2: about the big win in our fight to protect children,
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  Speaker 2: there's two links there. One is this doctor Height who
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  Speaker 2: really came out and exposed the science, the scientific studies
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  Speaker 2: that show that what is social media is doing to
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  Speaker 2: our kids. It's not just their mental health, Like every
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  Speaker 2: single day some teenage girl kills themselves because of this,
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  Speaker 2: it's killing kids. And then the second one is a
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  Speaker 2: very in depth podcast with Jordan Peterson and doctor Hyde
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  Speaker 2: talking about how does this happen and it's not just
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  Speaker 2: hurting kids it's hurting adults, Brian. I was an avid
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  Speaker 2: reader my whole life. I would read a book in
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  Speaker 2: a day. I consume books now that I got to
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  Speaker 2: go through social media like you do for our job
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  Speaker 2: to understand what's going on. I can't read anymore, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: my attention. It's changed literally the wiring of my brain,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't read like I used to read.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Tom, I cannot thank you enough for
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  Speaker 1: saying that out loud because I have been contemplating that myself.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't said it out loud, and I haven't mentioned
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  Speaker 1: on the Morning show, but I feel the same way
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  Speaker 1: you go in I mean, one of my favorite books
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  Speaker 1: of all time, Brothers caram MAT's up by Field or Dost.
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  Speaker 1: I ask you if I sat down with that thing
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 1: The way we read and how we consume information for
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  Speaker 1: our jobs, I might underscore, really makes it a massive
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  Speaker 1: challenge to sit still and dive into something that that
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  Speaker 1: is that intellectually well superior at least in terms of
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  Speaker 1: literature from my perspective. But it's just it's not an
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  Speaker 1: easy read by comparison to some you know, boiled down.
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  Speaker 1: AI created article about some news event that's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's the Career's the connectrum. So the problem
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  Speaker 2: is that yes, we have more access to information, but
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  Speaker 2: we also have more propaganda and lies and you know,
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  Speaker 2: like Dave Hatter, I mean I listened to them one
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  Speaker 2: year show religiously. And the problem is every time we
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  Speaker 2: stig got to way to stop the bad guys, the
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  Speaker 2: bad guys have ten more ways to hack us and
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  Speaker 2: attack us. How do we turn the tide on that,
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  Speaker 2: because it's going to destroy us. And that article about
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  Speaker 2: Ohio's law is critical to saving our kids and literally
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  Speaker 2: saving our nation because Brian we don't have workers because
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  Speaker 2: his brains are literally being changed by this when they
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  Speaker 2: get access to early and they're literally not forming their
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  Speaker 2: brains so they can think as adults. Our nation is
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  Speaker 2: at stake here. These are serious things, but who gets
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  Speaker 2: to talk about them only on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Quite frankly, well, I envision a tobacco style litigation because
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  Speaker 1: for all the years tobacco country companies were had their
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  Speaker 1: hands on and knew about the dangers of cigarettes smoking,
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  Speaker 1: yet they try to negate that in the public. They
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  Speaker 1: did the research, they had the documents. Behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 1: they were aware of the dangerous nature of the product,
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  Speaker 1: and yet we were lied to. So sounds me like
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  Speaker 1: Facebook and the other social media companies are painfully aware
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  Speaker 1: of and perhaps design the technology to addict children, are
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  Speaker 1: aware of the dangers that's done. So I'm not quite
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  Speaker 1: sure if there's a litigation that's already been filed along
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  Speaker 1: those lines, or if that can ultimately work to our advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, there was a big court decision just two months
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  Speaker 2: ago in California. For the first time. Meta was found
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  Speaker 2: guilty of intentionally capturing this girl, and the woman wanted
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  Speaker 2: got six million dollars settlement, and there's thousands of lawsuits
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  Speaker 2: now queued up. So guess what Meta is doing. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: Meta is lobbying Congress to make them exempt from any
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  Speaker 2: state lawsuits that would make them liable for addicting children
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  Speaker 2: to social media. That's what's going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's be I'd be very interested in seeing that
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  Speaker 1: come through to fruition, because if they knew that it
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  Speaker 1: was dangerous and it corrupted the minds, they certainly can
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  Speaker 1: be held accountable for what I would argue wild be
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  Speaker 1: an intentional thing if they didn't know, and only the
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  Speaker 1: subsequent research that's come out and the actual reality of
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  Speaker 1: what we see around us impacting our children as a
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  Speaker 1: consequence of social media. Then they have an obligation to
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  Speaker 1: react and change the dynamics of the platform to protect
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  Speaker 1: our children and to make it, I guess less addictive.
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  Speaker 1: Keep the popcorn out on that one. Tom's we got
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  Speaker 1: more to talk about an artificial intelligence. He attended a
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  Speaker 1: meeting the other day, one of these anti AI.
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  Speaker 2: See the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: At seven coming up with some forty two fifty five
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  Speaker 1: KOSB talk station me the people conventioned dot or is
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  Speaker 1: that where you find to Zawastowski and Tom joins the
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  Speaker 1: program every week talk about some issues. One of the
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  Speaker 1: issues artificial intelligence and the genies out of the bottle. Tom,
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  Speaker 1: As you and I pointed out, there's no way you
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  Speaker 1: can stop or unring the bell of AI. The question
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  Speaker 1: is whether you want to get on the bandwagon enjoy
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  Speaker 1: some of the fruits that come with it. But with
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  Speaker 1: AI centers come downside, like power demand, some water usage concerns.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems to me, as you and I have
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  Speaker 1: talked about previously, Tom, all that can be addressed up front.
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  Speaker 1: They just did it in Texas. Microsoft signed a twenty
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  Speaker 1: year agreement with Chevron for a power plant to for
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  Speaker 1: this West Texas Peicos, Texas AI Center. Permian basin gas
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  Speaker 1: is going to run the turbines. The Permian gas basin
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  Speaker 1: gas is right there, and it also apparently is an
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  Speaker 1: abundant Permian natural gas often wasted because pipeline capacity is limited.
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  Speaker 1: So they're using gas that's there that otherwise would have
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  Speaker 1: gone unused and generating enough power for this AI plant
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  Speaker 1: two point six to seven gigawates. They expect the whole
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  Speaker 1: power plant to be online by twenty twenty eight. Look,
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  Speaker 1: they got ahead of the problem. The local grid will
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  Speaker 1: be completely unaffected by this power plants use or by
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  Speaker 1: this AI plants use of power. Problem solved, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really the key. I was talking to
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  Speaker 2: my good friend Glenn Newman, great Patriot leader from Marietta yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: and he was having a meeting last night about this
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  Speaker 2: whole issue. And the problem is and even Mike the
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  Speaker 2: Wine did you remember the video Mike the Wine put
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  Speaker 2: out like last week where he says, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 2: make a good deal. You're in charge. You don't have
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  Speaker 2: to do anything. These developers are coming to your township
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  Speaker 2: or your city to make a deal to build a
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  Speaker 2: data center, hould them accountable, and they're a classic example.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a problem with energy. You got to follow
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  Speaker 2: solve it. The water issue, you know, this whole controversy
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  Speaker 2: about using millions of gallons of water to cool the
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  Speaker 2: data centers. They used to do that, they're getting pushed
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  Speaker 2: back and now they're starting to do these closed loop systems,
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  Speaker 2: which they'll say, there's no such thing as a closed
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  Speaker 2: loop system. Yeah, there is. It's the radiator in your car,
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  Speaker 2: Go look at it. When was the last time you
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  Speaker 2: put water in your car? Never? Okay, that's what they're
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  Speaker 2: building in these data centers. So that's an answer. It's
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  Speaker 2: all about you and the community, you know, holding them
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  Speaker 2: accountable to make it safe and then make it beneficial
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  Speaker 2: to you. What's wrong, Brian, is there are these county
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  Speaker 2: commissioners and people in townships who own the land that
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  Speaker 2: the data centers are going to be on or that
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  Speaker 2: they're doing, where they're not disclosing that their family is
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  Speaker 2: going to make millions of dollars from this data center.
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  Speaker 2: Government has actually made this all worse, not better, because
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  Speaker 2: of their lack of transparency, including the wine giving tax breaks.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, one billion dollars in tax breaks to
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  Speaker 2: data centers. They don't need tax breaks. They're very profitable businesses.
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  Speaker 2: The one in Shudersville's they're not asking for any tax
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  Speaker 2: breaks at all. They're going to pay fifteen million dollars
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  Speaker 2: in property tax a year. That's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: It is a good thing. And you're going back to this.
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  Speaker 1: This power plant alone that's going to power this data
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  Speaker 1: center in Texas, it is like seven billion dollars. You
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  Speaker 1: don't need tax breaks. They got seven billion dollars. They
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  Speaker 1: can build their own power plant to provide this the
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  Speaker 1: energy supply to run it. I think they're okay from
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  Speaker 1: a capital standpoint, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, let's go further again. Let's make a good deal.
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  Speaker 2: What you're hearing a lot about is okay, you can
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  Speaker 2: do that, but we want you to We're going to
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  Speaker 2: require you to generate extra capacity the electric and seed
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  Speaker 2: it into the grid to help the citizens right self
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  Speaker 2: solve the problem of our horrible electric grid that our
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  Speaker 2: public utility commissions have done nothing to fix for decades.
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  Speaker 2: And let's get AI and eight and the the tech
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  Speaker 2: companies to help fund that.
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  Speaker 1: What a concept, great concept, And that's one I fully
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  Speaker 1: embrace because that might lead us to small modular reactors.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody in my listening audience who listens knows that
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  Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of that concept. Abundant power, small
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  Speaker 1: footprint and modular so they can pretty much be built
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  Speaker 1: identically wherever they happen to be. Let's get that online pause,
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  Speaker 1: Tom and to bring it back on and find out
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  Speaker 1: what some of the people at the meeting about this
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  Speaker 1: AI issue said.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go west. See the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: If you above KERCD talk station right at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the UR news. It's gonna hit the inside scoop
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  Speaker 1: at bright Barton News today Kurt Zendalka, who is the
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  Speaker 1: bright bart News London Deputy Edit. We're gonna find out
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  Speaker 1: what's going on with England Keir Starmer resigning from his
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  Speaker 1: Labor Party position. We're else gonna get the Daniel Dave
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  Speaker 1: was deep dive and meantime Tom Zawastowski from We the
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  Speaker 1: People Convention dot or talking about artificial intelligence centers. So
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  Speaker 1: are there any other complaints, tom z Before we get
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  Speaker 1: to what happened at the meeting you went to on
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  Speaker 1: AI centers. It sounds me like the three the three
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  Speaker 1: things and I want to make sure that I'm not
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  Speaker 1: omitting anyone complaint or concern. Energy. We talked about that
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  Speaker 1: last one. Water talked about that in the last one.
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  Speaker 1: But the other one is noise, which also seems to
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  Speaker 1: be something you could address upfront with how you build
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  Speaker 1: the building to prevent the noise from seeping out into
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  Speaker 1: the greater environment. But is there are there any other
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  Speaker 1: concerns expressed by the anti AI folks, tom Z?
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  Speaker 2: You know, really those are the topics, right, those are
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  Speaker 2: the things that you know can be addressed and are
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  Speaker 2: being addressed if you're serious. But now I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: blow your mind. I'm going to blow your audience's mind
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  Speaker 2: because I'm sitting at this meeting in Schillersville Township and
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  Speaker 2: the town hall that's sold out. There's people literally outside
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  Speaker 2: the building yelling in the windows. Okay, we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: have a meeting. And I'm sitting in the back of
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  Speaker 2: the room with my literally or figuratively my tea party
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  Speaker 2: hat on. Right. I'm a tea party guy. I care
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  Speaker 2: about the people, and I'm looking at this and I'm
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  Speaker 2: watching this meeting goes are for three hours, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to say what's long with this picture? What's missing?
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  Speaker 2: And I couldn't figure it out because, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: the problem is we start at this ridiculous position of well,
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  Speaker 2: you should be for this data set because we promised
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  Speaker 2: not to kill you. We're not going to poison your water,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to drive you crazy with sound, and
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to rise your electricity costs, so you
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  Speaker 2: should be for it. Well, I don't have that now,
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  Speaker 2: so why should I be for it? So then you say, well,
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  Speaker 2: the community benefits. As I said, this company is going
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  Speaker 2: to pay fifteen million dollars a year in property taxes.
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  Speaker 2: The township budget would be doubled. These school districts, which
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  Speaker 2: has a ten million dollar budget, would go to fifteen
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  Speaker 2: million dollars a year of fifty percent increase. The fire
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  Speaker 2: depart would get a million dollars more a year. And
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  Speaker 2: you're saying, that's why you should be for that, it's
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  Speaker 2: good for the community. And then I'm sitting there and
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  Speaker 2: I see some of these old codres get up and
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  Speaker 2: they're just frustrated. And I realized, Brian, what's wrong is
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  Speaker 2: what's in it for me? What's in it for the citizen?
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  Speaker 2: And I start to say, you know what does Old
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  Speaker 2: Coudre sitting there? They don't want the school district to
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  Speaker 2: get fifteen million dollars a year. They're probably pissed that
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  Speaker 2: they're spending ten million dollars a year when they should
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  Speaker 2: probably only have eight. Who wants bigger governments? What does
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  Speaker 2: the township do with double the income when there's not
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  Speaker 2: double the roads or double the citizens?
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  Speaker 1: Well, how about lower property how about lower property taxes?
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  Speaker 2: Great minds take alike, Brian. So guess what I do?
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  Speaker 2: I go and I talked to Matt Kelly, the auditor
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  Speaker 2: of Porte County, and I said, Matt, you're on the
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  Speaker 2: County Budget Commission, right, Brian. You know what those are.
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  Speaker 2: It's that you know they're supposed to you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: a county otter, county treasurer, county prosecutor, and they're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to review annual tax budgets and levy requests. Well, in
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  Speaker 2: House Bill three oh nine, which just passed, it explicitly
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  Speaker 2: gives budget commissions power to reduce property tax levies when
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  Speaker 2: the revenue is unnecessary or excessive. Okay, hey, no, I said, Matt,
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  Speaker 2: let me ask you a question. If they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be paying these property taxes. Can the board say, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is money you don't need. So guess what the
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  Speaker 2: school district. You're not gonna get five million dollars a
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  Speaker 2: year extra, You're gonna get a million or two million
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  Speaker 2: a year. The rest is going to go as a
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  Speaker 2: tax cut to the homeowners. They are maybe as much
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  Speaker 2: as twenty percent. And I said, could you do that?
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  Speaker 2: He goes, Tom, I think you're right. I think we
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  Speaker 2: could do that. And so they're exploring it right now.
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  Speaker 2: And at the state level, Heidie Workmen, our house members
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  Speaker 2: on the Data center Board, She's taken it to the
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  Speaker 2: state representatives. I think everyone that's in his community that's
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  Speaker 2: going to do data centers needs to say, listen, we
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  Speaker 2: need to get some of the money. We the people
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  Speaker 2: need to have our property taxes reduced, and it's there
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  Speaker 2: right now to do it. That could make a big
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  Speaker 2: change in how we look at data centers.
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  Speaker 1: And to the extent there's some legal impediment to providing
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  Speaker 1: the property taxpayers with some measure of relief, and Columbus
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  Speaker 1: should get its act together and make sure it's allowed.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome because the school listrics, they're not gonna say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we don't want the money. No, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to spend it. So what's great is he told me
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  Speaker 2: our ounor said, they don't. They can enforce it. They
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  Speaker 2: can enact. That's the school district at all, and the
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  Speaker 2: data center people have nothing to do with it. They
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  Speaker 2: pay the property taxes, they say, it's this county board
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  Speaker 2: that says, well, now here's how it's distributed, and guess
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  Speaker 2: what it's going to be a cut in your property
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  Speaker 2: taxes for everyone in the community. I love that idea.
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  Speaker 2: I do too.
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  Speaker 1: So you got the energy, noise, water problem resolved up
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  Speaker 1: front and when they build the building, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: you got that covered. And then of course the revenue
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  Speaker 1: that's generated, you've got to cover it. In the sense
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  Speaker 1: it's providing property tax relief for the homeowners in the area.
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  Speaker 1: That's a win across the board's.
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  Speaker 2: Think about this. You got lower property taxes, so your
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  Speaker 2: house value will be better, and the school still gets
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  Speaker 2: some more money, so the schools will be better. So
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  Speaker 2: you're ability to sell your house goes up knocked down
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  Speaker 2: because of the data center. That's a big change.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'll be listening to hear some
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