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352: Sister Wives Rewind - Confessions (S10 E3) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Anna, Welcome to Reality TV craz the Podcast. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Dahlia and I'm here with my real tight
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  Speaker 1: We're here to talk, sister Westood. As we're currently in
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  Speaker 1: season ten. We're doing a rewind. We're in the Akashuk
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  Speaker 1: Brown Records and I'm excited to do the recap. But
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  Speaker 1: before we get into it, we do have to issue
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  Speaker 1: therapy Mary and Janelle and work it all out and Nancy, God,
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  Speaker 1: And so thank you in thank you Now, Before we
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  Speaker 1: get into our recap, I always like to ask whether
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  Speaker 1: you have any takeaways.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my first takeaway is that we've heard so much
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  Speaker 2: about Mary Janelle's relationship and I'm just like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like how it was framed at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of this episode, as if like Mary has no fault
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  Speaker 2: and the reason why their relationship is bad. It kind
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  Speaker 2: of felt like to me, like Mary was kind of
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  Speaker 2: pawning it off on Janelle, and you know, she just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't talk to me, and like, I care, I want
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  Speaker 2: to work on things, but she keeps rejecting me. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, why is that? Maybe because you're a
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  Speaker 2: mean old bitch.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe because you're actually technically abusive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Marry, just the thought.
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  Speaker 1: So my takeaway is really uncharitable and rude. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just that I can't stand anytime I see Robin's mother. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. There's something about her aura that's
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  Speaker 1: very gargoyle a little bit. It's very she's kind of
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  Speaker 1: the puppet master behind Robin, the puppet master, Like she
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  Speaker 1: taught her how to be the hoe. I see how
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  Speaker 1: you be the hoe and take over the whole family.
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  Speaker 1: Every time she walks into a scene, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, she doesn't give me good vibes me either.
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  Speaker 1: And that's my only take That's all I got. All right,
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  Speaker 1: without further ado, let's get into our recap. I have
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  Speaker 1: Sister Wives Season ten, episode three.
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  Speaker 2: And to tit tit confessions, and I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: we're confessing here. Oh, because we start off like the
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  Speaker 2: first half of the episode is Janelle and Mary talking
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  Speaker 2: about their relationship, and a lot of it we've heard before.
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  Speaker 2: They're complete opposites. They had a lot of issues. In
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  Speaker 2: the beginning, we talk about like how Janelle kind of
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  Speaker 2: came into the family. She was married to Mary's brother
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  Speaker 2: for a ripe eleven months and then dumped him and
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  Speaker 2: then immediately got with Cody, and Mary was jealous about it.
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  Speaker 2: We all know this, but what we're skating around is
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  Speaker 2: the fact that Mary took out her jealousy on Janelle
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  Speaker 2: a lot and was super mean, and then that caused
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  Speaker 2: a toxic, unhealthy family environment for everyone involved. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just Mary and Janelle that we're suffering this, it was
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  Speaker 2: everybody else. And I don't know, like we're we're just
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  Speaker 2: like dancing around, like the core issues. We briefly talk
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  Speaker 2: about Mary with her catfish and how she's like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: still working on it.
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  Speaker 1: Can we get back to that. That's the whole reason
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  Speaker 1: I'm in season ten and excited is to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the catfish. But once again, it's the whole episode where
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  Speaker 1: we're not dealing with it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's on purpose. I think we're doing a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of other things to distract the public and distract
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  Speaker 2: everybody else from the fact that Mary had a full
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  Speaker 2: on emotional affair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if Robin and Kendra and even Cody kind
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  Speaker 1: of were behind the scenes during the Catfish sort of
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  Speaker 1: egging it on or whatever, or participating in some way
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  Speaker 1: with the Catfish, why would they be doing that if
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  Speaker 1: they didn't want anybody to know about it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe because they thought that they wouldn't get negative publicity
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  Speaker 2: from it, But I bet you even back then, people
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  Speaker 2: were coming for Cody and Robin and being like, why
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  Speaker 2: would Mary even feel this way? I feel like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people have been kind of on Mary's side
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  Speaker 2: with it, Like you can acknowledge that she cheated and
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  Speaker 2: that was wrong obviously, and having an emotional affair is
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  Speaker 2: not good when you're still a married woman. But I
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  Speaker 2: feel like even people back then saw the writing on
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  Speaker 2: the wall and saw that Cody was favoring Robin and
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  Speaker 2: that he was being a piece of shit, And so
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's why they're like pivoting away from it, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe Mary is just super shameful and doesn't want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it, which I guess is fair.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, but I mean, I wish they would talk
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  Speaker 1: about it more. But that's the story of our life
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  Speaker 1: and skipping ahead and I won't be labor it. But
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  Speaker 1: when we get to the therapy session, like are we
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  Speaker 1: even talking about anything? Like we're not talking about anything
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  Speaker 1: that's real. What we know about what actually went down
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  Speaker 1: with Mary and Janelle we kind of learned in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of current seasons from Janelle and Mary, like
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  Speaker 1: talking to Sukanya and from Christine's book, actually, and it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like it was really awful. It sounds like Mary
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  Speaker 1: again was legit abusive. And then as you were mentioning
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to steal your thunder because you
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  Speaker 1: should probably bring this up with the catfish in her book,
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  Speaker 1: she said, what did she say? She said that Mary
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  Speaker 1: had told her Jackie, who was at the time pretending
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  Speaker 1: to be a dude Sam, Mary had told her that
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  Speaker 1: Janelle and Mary got into such a terrible fight way
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  Speaker 1: back in the day, in the beginning of their marriages,
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  Speaker 1: and that Janelle actually punched Mary in.
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  Speaker 2: Her belly, pregnant belly, her pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Belly, and it was unforgivable and from that moment on
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  Speaker 1: for Mary, she couldn't go back with Janelle and so
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, what year is that, because Janelle, Mary's Cody.
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  Speaker 1: Three years into Mary's marriage with Cody, Janelle proceeds to
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  Speaker 1: immediately start getting prego, but it takes Mary a while.
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  Speaker 1: Christine comes into the family immediately starts getting prego, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Mary gets pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: I feel think Leon was after like two or three kids, right,
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  Speaker 2: because it was like Logan and then Maddie and then
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  Speaker 2: I think as has been and I want to say,
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  Speaker 2: like Leon is like the fourth or fifth or something
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So Mary was sitting back for a while seething
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  Speaker 1: without a child.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So but like by the time she's pregnant with Leon,
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  Speaker 1: they've been together, like Janelle's been in the family maybe
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  Speaker 1: a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of years, yeah, to three years.
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  Speaker 1: So I just I don't know. I just I want
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  Speaker 1: to know more. And of course, current year of Our Lord,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, we've got Leon out on the internet,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, trying to share their story of
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  Speaker 1: their upbringing and basically saying nothing. We have Christine giving
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  Speaker 1: some tidbits in her book, but like we just really
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  Speaker 1: don't have anybody speaking openly about what happened. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a drag Beatrice.
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  Speaker 2: I really feel like the only people in the family
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  Speaker 2: that have said anything kind of outing Mary have been
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  Speaker 2: Christine a little bit in her book and Maddie on
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  Speaker 2: Twitter or whatever that has MICHELTI since been deleted a
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  Speaker 2: ma Chelt. So like, we have these snippets, and to
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  Speaker 2: me and to everybody who's heard this, I'm like, it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like Mary was really bad. And you know, in
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  Speaker 2: this episode, Mary talks about it like, yeah, I would
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  Speaker 2: just you know, say things, would just say what came
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  Speaker 2: to my mind. And Janelle didn't like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not that's not the full truth, as
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  Speaker 1: if that was what her problem was. Yeah, here's what
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  Speaker 1: I contributed to the toxic vibration of the relationship. I
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  Speaker 1: was very direct because I come from a father who
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  Speaker 1: was a very good communicator, and so that's just who
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  Speaker 1: I am. M I'm like, elaborate what else.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like the verbiage that she's using to frame it,
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  Speaker 2: like to say that you're very direct is not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: a negative trait, But to say like, yeah, I was
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  Speaker 2: verbally abusive, like that would be telling the full truth
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  Speaker 2: of like, you know, cause you can be direct and
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  Speaker 2: verbally abusive. You can be sure, direct and very mean,
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  Speaker 2: but you can also be direct and kind about it,
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  Speaker 2: or you can be honest with kindness. So it's like
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  Speaker 2: Mary is annoying me in this episode because she's not
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  Speaker 2: saying the full truth and she keeps putting it on
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  Speaker 2: Janelle and like blaming Janelle for shutting down, for not
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  Speaker 2: wanting to talk about things, for having to just think
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  Speaker 2: about it for a few minutes of like how she
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  Speaker 2: wants to articulate her feelings or what she's act actually feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Like Mary blames her for that and it's really gross.
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  Speaker 2: Like I just don't like that at all. And I
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  Speaker 2: just wish that Mary could, I don't know, tell the
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  Speaker 2: truth for once in her life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or have some self reflection. And I guess when
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  Speaker 1: we get to therapy there is a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: self reflection, but it seems a bit forced.
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  Speaker 2: It's super superficial.
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  Speaker 1: It's also sad that it took these ladies twenty years
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  Speaker 1: to come to some very basic psychological understanding of each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's my other issue with it, is that
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  Speaker 2: we're also skating across the idea that what these women
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  Speaker 2: are actually feeling is jealousy over one another because they're
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  Speaker 2: having to share their husband because they're in this like weird.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know that Janelle was jealous.
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  Speaker 2: Though probably not, but she probably felt like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: like Mary, like why are you even upset with me?
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  Speaker 2: Like we join this religion for a reason, this is
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  Speaker 2: the tenet of our religion.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and Janelle says in this episode, I came into
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  Speaker 1: this marriage and I thought like it was going to
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  Speaker 1: be so awesome because I was getting along with Mary
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  Speaker 1: and I knew Mary.
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  Speaker 2: But nope, and now I appreciate in this episode, even
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  Speaker 2: though she's got her own issues obviously, like she's at
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  Speaker 2: least articulating some of her problems, Like I came into
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  Speaker 2: this really naive, like thinking that we could come into
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  Speaker 2: it and everything would work out fine and we'd have
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  Speaker 2: no issues whatsoever. And you know, I underestimated that. And
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  Speaker 2: she talks about how she's learning about herself now that
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  Speaker 2: she does shut down. She checks out that's not a
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  Speaker 2: healthy way of communicating. She wants to be better about it,
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  Speaker 2: but it's uncomfortable for her. It's like something she's not
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  Speaker 2: used to doing. And then we talk about like Christine
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  Speaker 2: joining the family and how she ended up being like
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  Speaker 2: this calming element, and even Cody says this, like Christine
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  Speaker 2: definitely brought in this calming energy, this grounding energy to
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  Speaker 2: this chaosome between Mary and Janelle. Christine had to be
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  Speaker 2: like the mediator between the two of them. She had
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  Speaker 2: to communicate for them to each other, which is just crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And I wonder how Christine actually feels about being in
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  Speaker 2: that position, because if it were me, I probably would
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  Speaker 2: resent that after a while, because like, get a grip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all are adults.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit. And so they're gonna end up going to
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  Speaker 2: therapy with Nancy, who's like probably the worst therapist I've
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  Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. But before that, we have
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  Speaker 2: to do Robin's dumbass baby shower.
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  Speaker 1: Because we have even one episode that's not centered on Robin.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that I thought was interesting was that
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  Speaker 2: we had Mindy, Robin's niece, Oh yes, interviewed a little
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  Speaker 2: bit in this episode because she's helping Christine plan this
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  Speaker 2: baby shower, and we have like a little interstitial with
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  Speaker 2: Mindy kind of talking about plural marriage and how she
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: grew up around it. She's very familiar with it, and
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  Speaker 2: she says something like, you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things that the Browns do that are that's inspiring to
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  Speaker 2: me with plural marriage, Like, I feel like they do
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  Speaker 2: some things right, but there's things that I would do differently,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not perfect, and I wouldn't live plural marriage myself,
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  Speaker 2: but like, you know, it seems like they're good people
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  Speaker 2: and they're trying their best. And I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 2: that's interesting because it seems like Mindy is primarily around
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  Speaker 2: like Robin and Cody, Yes, and so if she's observing
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: the family from Robin and Cody's vantage point, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: are you seeing what they're doing wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Or are you like it's probably all being filtered through
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  Speaker 1: Robin and what Robin is saying to Mindy about Mary
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  Speaker 1: being catfished and Christine being insecure and Janelle being this
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  Speaker 1: or that, So that's probably what it's based on.
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  Speaker 2: Yikes. Yeah, I just thought that was an interesting little
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  Speaker 2: tidbit there. But we're having everybody get ready for the
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  Speaker 2: baby shower, and Christine's going all out, like she's got
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  Speaker 2: all these decorations, she's got.
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  Speaker 1: The table cloths, she's having fun, she's.
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  Speaker 2: Having so much fun. We know Christine loves to plan
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  Speaker 2: a party. Janelle is like, I'm overwhelmed already, but I'll
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  Speaker 2: bring cupcakes or whatever. So she brings cupcakes over and
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  Speaker 2: it's really sweet. And the whole time we're decorating for
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  Speaker 2: this baby shower, I'm just thinking to myself, how can
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  Speaker 2: Robin say that the family didn't accept her? And like,
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  Speaker 2: how can Robin say to this day that they didn't
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  Speaker 2: care about her, they didn't accept her, they didn't love
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  Speaker 2: her when they threw this huge baby shower for her baby, Like,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have to do that if they didn't like her,
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  Speaker 2: but they did and it was really fun. And then
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  Speaker 2: when Robin comes over for the ultimate baby shower, like
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  Speaker 2: she comes over with kind of a mean face a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. She's like kind of dour, but then she
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  Speaker 2: ends up having some fun. They play some games or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, it was like a good time. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: the family loves you.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the deal in season twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're rewriting history. It's their revisionist history. It's just
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  Speaker 1: like I also wonder whether all of these family celebrations
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  Speaker 1: are actually driven by production, Like, Okay, we've got to
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  Speaker 1: do another event. It's like this the Real Housewives. They're
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: always going to some Housewives dinner or some Housewives party,
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of the scene of the drama that happens.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of feels a little bit like that.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe if if I'm playing demon Devil's advocate, maybe
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  Speaker 1: Robin looks back at this point and says, well, that
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  Speaker 1: was all disingenuous. That was just for the show. They
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: didn't really want to do any.
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  Speaker 2: Of that even then, And like, Robin, look at yourself,
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  Speaker 2: though you stole all these women's husband.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing for any of the other wives? No,
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  Speaker 1: for real, I don't really see any of that from you.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't seen you plan anything for them. Actually, like
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  Speaker 2: literally nothing you get but her. When Mary wants to
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: go back to college, you don't do anything to support her.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, baby shower's cute or whatever. She's
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: gonna have a baby, girl, it's gonna be a she sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care either.
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  Speaker 2: And so the last portion of the episode is Janelle
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  Speaker 2: and Mary finally going to therapy with Nancy, who is
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  Speaker 2: totally dud. Like you said at the beginning of this episode,
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  Speaker 2: she's such a dud. And Janelle starts off therapy being like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want this to turn into something where we
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  Speaker 2: have to rehash the past.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, stop, Yeah, I mean I don't think that's how
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  Speaker 1: therapy works. No, And I think if you have a
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  Speaker 1: long standing, two decade old issue with somebody that has
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  Speaker 1: aspects of abuse and miscommunication, like you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: maybe dig into what the problem was. Janelle, you're so avoidant.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to talk about any of that. You
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  Speaker 1: just want to work on like the building blocks for
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  Speaker 1: a new relationship. Well that's not realistic.
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  Speaker 2: And Mary calls that out in therapy. She's like, I
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  Speaker 2: just don't understand how that can really work if we
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: don't talk about the past, like we do have to
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  Speaker 2: kind of work through some of that. And then Nancy
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  Speaker 2: comes in saying, well, if you want to reconstruct like
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  Speaker 2: a present what does she say if you want to
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  Speaker 2: reconstruct a present and future relationship? You know, the way
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  Speaker 2: that we can talk about the past is saying when
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  Speaker 2: you didn't feel safe?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, can we got the word safe?
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  Speaker 1: It's not why? Well, because she physically assaulted me, I
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: don't feel safe literally because she was verbally abusive to
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: me and called me names. I don't feel safe, Like,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: tell me why you're not safe. Yeah, let's bring it
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: into the light. Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. Yeah, but
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: these people are constantly in the shadows and trying to
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: hide the truth from us obviously, but I think also
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: from themselves.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Oh totally. And you're right that Janelle is completely avoidant
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: and like Mary is too in her own way. I
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: think everybody in this family is kind of avoidant in
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: some way, shape or form. Christine doesn't seem to be well,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I mean like the opiate's.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean she's okay, I guess, but it's
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: like to want to engage in because she does.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she is more expressive, and even in Mary's regards,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: she is a little bit more expressive than somebody like Janelle. Now,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Mary doesn't express in the right way or in like
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a healthy way. She expresses lies, yes, but like she
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: at least kind of brings up some of her feelings.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Janelle did frustrate me with that comment a little bit.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, that's not what therapy is.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I have known people in my life, like friends and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: people I've encountered who have said that to me, been like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go to therapy because I don't
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: want to talk about my past because what does my
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: past have to do with what I'm going through in
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: my life?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Literally?
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Everything, literally everything, Like you have to talk about it, right, like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and I know it sucks, it's gonna bring up painful
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: shit and it's gonna get worse before it gets better,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: but like, you do have to talk about it. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: think Janelle, if I'm to play a little bit of
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Devil's advocate, I think Janelle said that because she doesn't
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: want shit to escalate with Mary, because probably talking about
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: their past issues causes more fights between her and Mary
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and Mary Janelle doesn't want to deal with that, Like
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: she doesn't want to deal with conflict. She especially doesn't
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: want to deal with Mary being super direct with her.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And that's Janelle's words. Janelle's like, I don't want to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: deal with your directness because I take offense to it. Yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: because she's mean. But we talk in therapy about really nothing.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: It's about how different they are in their communication styles.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: We have this like little exercize where Nancy's like, Okay,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I want you guys to switch roles and talk as
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: each other. And Janelle is nervous about this because she
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to offend Mary. But this is a process
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that you have to do. I'm sure in relationship therapy
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: you just kind of have to think about it from
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the other person's perspective, because I think Nancy says something
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to Mary like, you can't assume what somebody is going
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: through in their mind or what they're thinking, because then
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you're going to attach yourself to that and it's not
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: actually reality.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And she also says, well, I think Mary is
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: worried because she's like, well, I don't want to impersonate
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Janelle because I only have my thoughts of who Janelle is.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And Nancy says, well, that's a good place to start,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: because you can reveal what your thoughts are on Janelle
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and then we can kind of deal with it from there.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So that was helpful. But I just felt like both
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: ladies were so nice to the other, like they didn't
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: actually speak in the voice of the other person in
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a way that was indicative of the conflict that has
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: happened between them. Yeah, Like if I were Janelle, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: would have maybe mirrored some of the abusive languaging that
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Mary has been using over the years, and I would
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: have brought that out, but this is a fake therapy session,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I guess, And so we're just not going to deal
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in realities, Okay.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, we're just going to be there on the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: bush and we're just going to talk about how we
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: just have different communication styles and like that's the issue,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: not the fact that Mary's a bully and Janelle's conflict
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: of wouldn't We're going to talk about, well, I just
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: don't know how to communicate.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: It's just who we are as people. And that's perfectly okay.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And that drives me nuts because there's sometimes like your
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: behavior is not the right way.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Just because that's who you are, and objectively it's wrong.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, Like just because that's who you are, it doesn't
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: mean that you have to stay that way. Like some
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: day you can change, you can grow as a person.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You can learn to be more expressive, or you can
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: learn to be a little bit more like patient and
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: listen to people. Like I don't know why we have
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to just be like I'm Mary and I'm direct and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I'm honest, and that's just how I'm to be.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to apologize for it because I'm awesome, Okay,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: great therapy. We really changed to shift a lot.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I can't stand there.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's stupid.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: And then we hear from Cody and his interstitials while
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: they're at therapy.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: He's not hopeful, no, for these two ladies.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: He literally is like Janella and Mary are completely different
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: people in every single way. Like the only thing they
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: have in common is that they're both women.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: They have a long road ahead of them, and at
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: some point he says something like all I can really
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: do is pray to have the faith that they can change. Yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: not pray that they can change, Pray that I can
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: even believe for a second that they can change, because
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: at this point I don't have that belief at all.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And I honestly think that hinges on Mary because Cody
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: detests Mary. And this is all going to come out,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I think, in this next this season and next season,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: because he's going to sit down and counseling with Mary
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and we're really going to see the scope of his emotions. Yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and he is angry, and he's been angry the entire marriage.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you that, because do you think
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Cody was fed up before he met Robin, like fed
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: up with Mary before he met Robin. Or do you
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: think that when he met Robin and realized that love
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: could be like so, I do.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Not think it was an epiphany.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I think that they were fighting the entire time. I
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: think Mary was a problem the entire time. I think
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: we have Cody in the upcoming therapy session saying something like,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you lied to me. Yeah, and he never explains what
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Mary lied to him about, but he says something like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: you lied to me from the beginning, as if the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: very premise of their marriage, the reason he proposed in
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the first place, was based on a lie. That was
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: my impression when I saw that particular therapy session which
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: is coming up in the future. So it's like Mary
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: from the very beginning has done something wrong in his eyes.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: What do you think it would be with your fake psychic.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Don't I don't know. Oh, I mean maybe maybe Mary said, yes,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I think we should have a plural family. Yes, I'm
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: really into it and I'm supportive of it and I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: want it. And then we bring in Janelle and Mary
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: proceeds to abuse Janelle, and Cody's like, what are you doing?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: You lied? And now our entire family is going to
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: be fucked up because of it. But I don't know.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It could be something different than that. And I always
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: wondered that, And I'm wondering if you're out there, for example,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: if you're on YouTube and you remember the therapy session
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about, what do you think Cody was referencing
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: when he said that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Because I could kind of see that, and you know,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: from Cody's like dumb perspective, maybe it is something like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you know, he thought Mary would be okay with plural marriage,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and so then he starts getting all these whys.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe she wasn't a virgin, Oh.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: My god, but he wasn't either.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a gay lover. But I mean there's such a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: double standard in all religion, but particularly Mormonism. That actually
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: happened to one of my husbands. I won't just close
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: with one because I don't want it to be traced
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to anybody. Yeah, but he married a woman who said
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: she was a virgin and he was a virgin, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: she turned out he married her Catholic boy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And then he didn't find out until they were fugging.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Like three years later later she was not a virgin.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: That's horrible. Yeah, so it could be something like that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well, but Cody, you had a gay.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Lover, so like well, and maybe the agreement was that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Mary would peg him and she did.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe that was the lie you betrayed me. You didn't
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: put it on my head.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know, God, but there's something bigger there. Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been written in a book, but it is
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: constantly implied. M And it's also in the energy. Like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Cody does not like Mary, it doesn't like Christine as well.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: But with Christine he's revolted. Yeah, like he's grossed out
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: by Christine for whatever reason. And if you read Christine's book,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: which by the way, we cover on Patreon. We did
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: four separate episodes like an hour a pop. In christine book,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: she talks about when they got married and started having
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the sexicals like Cody would make her wear her Mormon underwear, yeah,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: or like be almost fully clothed, and it's probably because
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: he couldn't stand to see her body. I think Cody
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: has been revolted by Christine from the beginning, and he's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: been angry at Mary from the beginning.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I can see that.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And remember in the last season, I know this is
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a tangent. But do you remember during his apology tour
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: when he goes to see Janelle and he's like, I
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: really should have protected you. Like we had something really special,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: me and you, and I didn't protect it from that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: awful monster Mary. So I mean, I think I think
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that's how he felt about I think he only loved
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Janelle until Robin came along.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've seen people comment on our YouTube, on
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: various other videos saying that, like Janelle was the original
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Robin in that he favored her probably over the other
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: two wives, and then Robin came along, and then she
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: became his favorite. And I could see that, and you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: we could have a conversation all day every day about
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: why that would be the case. But like if Mary's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: crazy and Christine's crazy, then yeah, like probably, yeah, Janelle
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: is probably gonna be the favorite wife because she has
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: been kind of calm, cool, collected. She's totally Torrian in
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: this episode. I feel like, yeah, not in the avoidant sense.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like a Taurus will tell you how they feel, sure.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: The bull, but like in the sense of I just
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: want everything to be okay. Like after therapy, they go
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: shopping for Thanksgiving decorations, and Chanelle says something really sweet
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: where she's just like, you know, I really love the holidays.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I want everybody to be together, even if I'm a
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: little delusional in thinking that we could all just fake
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: it for a day, Like I really just want to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: have the holidays. I want everybody to be at home
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and enjoy good food and enjoy family because that's what
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: it's all about. And that I'm like, that's really sweet.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And Mary says something like Janelle's always been for the family,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Like despite all of their calm, despite any conflicts that
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: they've had in the family, Janelle has always been rooted
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: in the family unit, which is really important. Similar to Christine,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Like Christine was always about the kids and stuff, even
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: though she wasn't necessarily a perfect mom and she was
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: high on opiates for a period of time, she was
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: also very much about the family. And I think that's
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: why Cody kept those women on it in particular the longest,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: because they did kind of maintain the illusion of this
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: plural marriage thing can kind of work, like, oh, we'll
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: have all the kids around and we'll have our houses
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: and we'll pretend like we're a happy family because We've
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: got these other women that are helping the facade while
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I'm fucking my main bitch and my mc mansion with
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: all of her dolls watching me.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Oh god, you know it's true. Yeah, I can totally
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I can totally see that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So we conclude Mary and Janelle's like dumb fake therapy
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: session by Nancy saying something like, you guys both have
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: unique strengths that if you guys actually want to work
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: on your relationship together, you can help each other. You
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: can help each other grow, but you know, you have
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: to try, you have to want to have a better
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: relationship with each other, and maybe we can do that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And like you said, Cody says, they have a long road.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: He doesn't seem very hopeful about it. And of course
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: we know in twenty twenty six, like they don't really have.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: A relationship together, the same relationship.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: It's pretty terrible. And like it was interesting because Mary
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: in this episode has a comment about, you know, despite
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: everything that Janelle and I have gone through, I know
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: that if it came down to it, Janelle would have
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: my back.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And Janelle says the same thing about Mary.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because we see in twenty twenty six,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Janelle did have Mary's back, but I was thinking.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Did she I have about the property that she wanted
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to sell out from under Mary? Maybe, but she warned.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Her about the divorce, She warned her about the property
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: situation before all of that, and there was a lot
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: of gray area with that. But I'm like, did Mary
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: have Janelle's back? I don't think so.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either, certainly not in the last
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: couple of years Mary was about Mary. I also wanted
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to point out at the baby shower, Jen was there,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Jen Mary's friend. Oh I didn't notice from current seasons,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: which kind of speaks to the question that we've been asking, like,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: did Mary not have any friends during the Catfish that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: she could have been talking to about this? She certainly did.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: One of those people was Jen, and I wouldn't be
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a bit surprised if Jen was encouraging her to do it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I mean's like, yes, girl, go get it, get out
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: of this cocked up family. You don't need to be
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: in this family, which ties into Janelle talking in our
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: last season in the tell Alls with Sue Kanya talking
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: about how Jen told Janelle that Gent told Mary take
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the money and run. Oh yeah, maybe it's all around.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's happening around this time in the season.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, there's so much behind the scenes that
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you just not letting on.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: It's like that meme with all the things and trying
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to figure out.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many pieces that we have to piece
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: together out of all these seasons. It's crazy. So after therapy,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: then Mary and Janelle decide to go shopping for Thanksgiving and.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Darry She's immediately annoyed with Janelle for just being a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: normal person having fun picking out a wreath.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Like this is the problem. Like Mary can't just like
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: chill the fuck out.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But I think she can when she's out with like
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Jen and she's out with her other friends and her
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: wine moms, Like I think she can be a good
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: friend at Disneyland. But if it's Christine or if it's Janelle,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: she just can't do it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's because these are her
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: sister wives and so she's jealous of them, and so
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: she's just angry and resentful of them in general for
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: just fucking her husband while she's celibate, Like she doesn't
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: get to have her Punini touch. She's sucking on a
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: banana just to get some relief. It's like, maybe that's
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the reason, But I don't know if it's because of
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: that or if it's because her friends that she surrounds
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: herself with communicate to her in a way that she
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: finds acceptable, because it does seem like Janelle gets annoy
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: by these women and how they express themselves and how
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: they communicate.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And that's what's frustrating to me, Like you have to
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: marry Mary gets annoyed.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: By it, Yeah, okay, And you have to be able
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to like accept that people are different from you, like
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna think like you Capricorn.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And furthermore, Janelle was being really cute and sweet, and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just not like Janelle to care about decorations for Thanksgiving.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And she's kind of going out on a limb and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: she's wanting to do it with you because Mary, you're
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: big into decorations. And so she finds this wreath and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: this little boutique and she's like should I get it?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Should I not get it? And Mary becomes exasperated with her,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and she's like, oh my god, just get the wreaths,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: like it's not a big deal. I'm like, and that's
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that's the problem, Like you don't have any grace for Janelle.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And it's because of everything that has come before. It's
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: not just because Mary's an awful person, although that too, yeah,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: but it's also because of the two decades that preceded
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: this moment in which they've been having this terrible problem
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: which they won't talk about at all.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And watching this actually made me have some self reflection
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: for how I was when I was a teenagers. Like
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: watching this behavior from a forty four year old for real,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: but like watching this behavior from a forty four year
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: old woman was so unbecoming because I acted like this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to my little sister when I was a.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Teen My god, just get the wreath already.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Literally, Like I was like that with my sister, who
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: was a very like methodical kind of a person. She
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: did have to think about things for a while, and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: she did things a certain way. Uh aries, but she's
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: a Libra moon, I think, no librerizing. Oh okay, she's
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: a Sagittarius moon though.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, so.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: We didn't but heads a lot of powder cake, yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but growing up, like she would do
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: things a certain way and it would drive me nuts
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: because I'm like that's the wrong way to do it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I would get super stubborn about it, and I would
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: kind of act like Mary. I would get really exacerbated
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: with her and frustrated. But you know, I'm an adult
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: now and I'm thirty and I've had years of therapy
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and I'm like, oh, that wasn't right, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: i sense apologized to my sister. Okay, I was a kid,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: But that's my point is like I acted like that
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: as an unregulated teenager going through puberty, and Mary is
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: acting like that as a forty four something year old.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Going through Perrymotoposa. But like, get a grip, though, word,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: get a c I don't know what else to say, Like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I just I'm exasperated by these people.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't. Like it frustrated me that Mary
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: was getting annoyed with Janelle pondering about if she should
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: get this wreath. It's like not a.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Big deal at all, No, it's not.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I just but like Christine and Robin are kind of
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: teasing them on the couch, being like this is so
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: weird that they're going out to get decorations. Because even
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: something as simple as this activity, like everybody's like, are
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you sure about that? Do you want to hang out
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: with each other? Like that's super weird. You guys never
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: do something like this together, Like that's crazy, Like how
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: their relationship has devolved to a point where you can't
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: even go to like some bitch ass boutique store and
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: shop for decorations. But they're trying, and Janelle says, like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: we want to put our therapy into practice, like we
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: really want to work on things, but we all know.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: How'd that work out for you ladies.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: It's all for not And so then we get into
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the preview for the next episode. We have Thanksgiving coming up.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: We have the adult kids coming home from college and
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the pawn shop.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And the fuck session in Montana.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And so everyone's coming back home for Thanksgiving. Everybody's excited
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: about it. And Janelle again extends like an olive branch
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to Mary and she wants to decorate the house for
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving with Mary, because you, like you said, Mary loves
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to decorate. She loves grafts and stuff. And Janelle has
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: never really helped out before, but she wants to because
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: she wants to work on their relationship. And even doing this,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it's gonna cause friction because Mary's first thought is like, well,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: if we're gonna help out the decorations, I don't want
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to do it all by myself, lazy bitch.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so immediately Janelle starts to dis yeah, just float
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: into the ass rightfully, so because here we go again
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: with this bitch.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Like it's ridiculous. So ultimately I remember this episode. They
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: end up decorating a little bit, but Mary bitches the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: entire time, so it's like all for nothing. And then
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: when they're setting up in the preview for Thanksgiving dinner,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Cody comes in with his floppy ass hair, not contributing
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: a single thing to this entire decoration. He says something
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: like I don't like the way the tables look, like
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: what are we doing with this? And he's saying this
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: to Mary. They're arguing about it, and Mary's first thing
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to say is like, well it was Christine's idea. And
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Mary says in the preview like, it's easier for me
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: if Cody's mad at somebody else other than me. So
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: this again is like proof of Mary's shitty character that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you want to like throw the wives under the bus. Yeah,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: so that way you don't have to deal with the smoke.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, okay, get out of here, girl, it's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: gonna be an annoying episode.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Well, do you want to talk about some current Yeah, okay,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: what do you think about pres Hilton?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and here's why I thought about it
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: just now. And it's kind of crazy. But Mary is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: putting herself out now as like this transformed woman who
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: has word it up. Yeah, like so much better now.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I know the real mean what I deserve, and I'm
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a good person. And kind of with Preres Hilton, he
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: did the same thing. Do you know the story of
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Press Hilton y'all?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: No, not recently. I saw some videos before his thing
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: on TikTok. If you guys don't know, don't fucking look
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it up. It's horrifying.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I think everybody knows by now. But like, well, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: do you know who he used to be? Yes, of course, yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: he used to be a terrible blogger. He was awful
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: to celebrities. He was constantly humiliating them and putting them
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: through humiliation rituals online. It was truly terrible, and he
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: was unapologetic and he was asked to stop and he
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: never did. And then like three or four months ago,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: he got released and he was hospitalized. Yeah, he got sepsis,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: so he's really really ill. He claims he had a
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: near death experience.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he started like preaching about God a lot.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And he had an experience or an encounter with Jesus
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the number one man himself, and he converted I guess
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to Well, he never really says what he converted to.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I mean I assume he converted to Christianity or whatever.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: And then he had a psychotic break. Yeah, and that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was last week and he's.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Still in the hospital. Right have we heard.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: From him since he's still in the hospital, and so
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: kind of the ironic thing is his team at pres
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Hilton dot com released a statement saying, like we're dealing
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: with this, we just really ask for privacy at this time,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and like everybody's like, well, you never gave that privacy
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to anybody else. And if this had happened to any
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: celebrity when you were out there being like this gum
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of the earth back in the day, you'd have absolutely
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: brought cast is to everybody. But now you want privacy.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I think it really presents such a good question around
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: compassion and forgiveness and like allowing for the idea. And
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: this is kind of bringing it back to Mary allowing
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: for the idea that people actually can change. I think
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of people out there don't think that people
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: can change, and or even if they do, it doesn't
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: really matter because they formed an opinion of you. And
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm guilty of this with Mary, but I've formed
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: an opinion of you that you were an asshole. I'm
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: never going to forgive you. You don't deserve anybody, no, anybody's forgiveness. Yeah,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of how so many people are treating
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Perez and what's happened with Perez. And I'm just wondering
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: what y'all think about it, And I'm wondering what you
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: think about it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I agree. I was actually talking about it with
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: your daughter because she said it was horrifying. Like she
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: was the one that told me about it. She's like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: don't look it up, and I did because I let you.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: What did you see the actual Yes, I did.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: It was horrifying. It was horrifying.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like those that's a mind virus, well, I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: feel like they're trying to desensitize us to this type
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of violence so that we're not affected by it. When
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: they perpetrate it on us in the future.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, we've been exposed to this kind of violence
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: for like over a decade, like WikiLeaks used to be
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: a thing, and live leak used to be a thing.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Like I've seen way work.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I've never seen any of that stuff good.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It would hurt your soul. But like we were talking
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: about it with Perez Hilton, and she said that her
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: vibe was like, we don't understand like what sepsis does
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to the brain and how it can really fuck your
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: body up, Like we don't really understand what it does
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: to the human body, like we think we do, but
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of like long lasting effects.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: So like from her perspective, it's like this is from
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the sepsis and maybe it was like a psychotic break
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: from the bacteria and stuff in his brain. I don't know.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: My vibe on it was like this is some demonic
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: shit because and I'm not like, look, I believe in Jesus,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I believe in God or whatever. My thing is like
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this is demonic. And if you are somebody who has
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: been in this state, this vibrational state of like constantly
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: being a piece of shit to like all of these
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: people exposing all of their private lives and nudes and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: like these really crazy stories and like making your whole
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: business model off of treating people this way, Like you
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: kind of open yourself up to that kind of an energy,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and like if you did have a near death experience
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and it did make you change your perspective on life
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and you did open your heart to Jesus, that's great,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and I think that's awesome or whatever, but that still
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that, like you're solved from all of that
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: if you're still in this like vibration. And so I'm like,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: seeing what he did on TikTok Live, I'm like, that's
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: demon shit.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: So I haven't seen it, but some people are saying
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: they think that that was just all for attention to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: like that's crazy. So it was like, do you think
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it was an actual psychotic break?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I think yeah, like demon position because Okay, I don't
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: know with self harm and stuff like that, because if
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: you guys don't know what he did, like it was
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: really horrible self harm whatever. You don't do that kind
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: of stuff for the public. Self harm is something you
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: do because you hate yourself. It's something that's very private,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: you hide your scars usually like it's a really horrible
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: symptom of depression. I speak from experience doing it like
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: that in front of a live audience. Like, that's like
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: psycho demonic, crazy shit right there. That's my opinion.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: So to your point about it being demonic, it just
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and I actually thought about this because in the bubble,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Jesus casts a demon out of some poor suffering soul.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna paraphrase because I don't have it in
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: front of me, but Jesus says something like, now, because careful, y'all,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: because if you don't change, if you don't clean the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: home in which the demon resided, that demon's gonna come back.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: But he's gonna bring seven other demons with him, So
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have an even bigger problem then you started with.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: So I mean, with somebody like Perez, I mean, who
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: are we to say what actually happened? But I do
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: think there's there is a spiritual component. I do, guys.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like we are we are living in a
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: spiritual world. Yeah, and we are in such a strange,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: freaked out time yeah, in our Earth's history. I truly
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: believe we came here at this time personally to disrupt
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and to bring in some of the light. And so
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: this is why I want to and I don't know
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: if this is the right podcast for it, because we
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: talk about the sister Wives, and I'm trying to make
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: a connection to Mary, because like, even Mary deserves compassion.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course Mary deserves compassion. And we make
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: fun of Mary. Yeah, we talk about the more critical
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and we're like, what are you doing worthying of?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Is this just a money grab? And we're constantly critiquing Mary.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But Mary's a person irrespective of what happened in the past,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: She's deserving of compassion, love and a happy life. I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: wish a happy life for Mary where she's like actualized
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and like personally developed and she can reflect and look
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: at all these aspects of herself that she wants to
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: change and then change them. That's what I want for her,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And likewise, I want the same thing for somebody like Perez.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Of course, I just wish that people. Gosh could I
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: feel like Kasha. I feel like social media is on
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: purpose intentionally creating just hordes of people who don't give
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: a shit about humans.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Well, then you have all of those CIA created bots
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok and everything that are making all
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of these comments that are so heinous, like people are
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: saying that Perez deserve this and like we shouldn't care
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: about them or whatever, And I'm like, are you, Like,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: how can you look at a video like that and
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: not have any kind of compassion for him? Because that's
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: literally horrifying.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's all bots. I think there are
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: so many people who feel justified in not having any compassion,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and I just feel like that's that's the least that
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: we can muster for somebody who's in clear emotional and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: physical distress, and like, yeah, we don't have to like him,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, yeah we don't have to support him
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but like we could absolutely hope for the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: best and pray for them.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Well, And that's my point about like social media and
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: the Internet in general, because you have all of these
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: like influencing like actors on here, you have all the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: CIA bots, you have like all of these crazy headlines,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: you have AI algorithms, you have censorship of the ass
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: everything is controlled, Like all of the information that you
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: are fed is going through all of these different hands
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to try and manipulate you. Into thinking and believing a
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: certain way. And I think that's what's caused a lot
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of this like lack of compassion and like lack of
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: humanity in regular, regular people, because like you're constantly on
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: your phone all day, and if you're somebody that can
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: like try and resist that, that's good, but like nobody's
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: immune to it. Like if you're on your phone doom
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: scrolling all the time, like you're gonna eventually succumb to
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: some of these negative energies.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And I feel like we all are. I'm wondering, is
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: it even possible anymore to cut the cord from the phone.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know, And I've thought about that too, because
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: like I.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: So heavily addicted to it.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I fucking hate it. You have to do other
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: things to like distract yourself from your phone, like learn
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: an instrument or write correct, do some art or whatever.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Get off the fucking internet, because it's going to be
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: a dead internet anyway thanks to AI.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I know, so nothing that you're interacting with is actually
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: happening in real life, not at all. And actually the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: people that you meet when you're walking down the street,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the people that you meet each day are a lot
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: more like you than the people that are showing up
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: on social media exactly, So don't get it twisted exactly.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I believe most people are good. I think so too,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: But I mean I think this sort of syop with
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: social media and like what we're seeing and having like
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: fucking TikTok allow for this to be broadcast for fifteen
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: minutes straight without pulling the plug. I feel like this
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: is trying to change the way collectively we are conscious. Yeah,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and it's a low vibrational bitch, is real. I rebuke it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I rebuke it me too, And I hope it's okay
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that every now and again we talk about I think
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: we should all current events. I mean, we talk about
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: this stuff all the time. Off the pot and Sister
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Wives can only take us so far.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it sometimes it's it is.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, we are literally mining for like Robin yeah in Alaska,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: for just like a little bit of gold from some
• 46:46
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• 46:49
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• 46:52
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• 46:54
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• 47:09
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• 47:12
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• 47:19
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• 47:21
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• 47:22
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• 47:40
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• 47:40
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• 47:42
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• 47:43
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• 47:59
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• 48:05
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