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Is Jonathan Taylor the Next Shoe to Drop? (The Colts Report with Will & Dave Retherford, 3.128) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome Colts fans of the Central Indiana Sports Report for this week's Colts Report.
• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: This week we're going to talk about the game in Jacksonville.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to look ahead do the game against the Cowboys.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But mostly we're going to talk about the direction of the franchise and that starts with Jonathan Taylor.
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: rumors.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess the confirmed reports from the cult is that they are exploring trades that it's definitely not something that they're going to do.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan Taylor wants to stay in Indianapolis, but he also would be accepting to a trade as well.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll start with you your thoughts on what's happening with Jonathan Taylor and the franchise in general.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's a, he's a player that he's got to get the right value for it to make sense.
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say it's similar to a Jeffrey Simmons type deal that he got to go to Chicago.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be an overpay.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that, and he's still an awfully good football player who,
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: If the Colts can somehow turn this thing around quickly as a chance to be inside of their window again, now I could see why a team would want to come in an overpay because he's in the prime of his career and he is as good of a running back in the league as there is in between the tackles.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of inline speedies elite.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's just an incredible football player.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a shame that his career in Indianapolis is not being able to really allow that to flourish on a national and play off level.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that if the cults do make a move like this that they can get back their desired pay in terms of a first draft graphic is if not, it just feels like you're selling low on an asset that you have under team control that you don't have to trade if you don't want to.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: who can help usher in the next generation of cults.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say greatness, because I think we're a long ways away from that.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But can be an usher into a new generation and be the old guard that helps set the standards.
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I can't say it much better than that.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel the same.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: The value has to be really perfect for the cults to go that direction.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, I'm not sure what he really wants to do behind closed doors.
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's saying all the right things.
• 2:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's telling them that he wants to stay in the
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can also see him wanting to have an opportunity to go play some place where he can win because while he is in the prime of his career, running back careers, don't last as long and his time as an elite back is running out.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like for him he really ought to be wanting to move out and go someplace else but the colds have to get the right value back or it's just
• 2:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're insane if they keep him.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see a reason why you would, uh, and why he would want to give up.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: exactly what Dave said, the prime of his career, or maybe even the downside as a running back, it's hard to tell whether running back.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He could be Derek Henry or Walter Peyton, or it could be at the very end of his career.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're insane if you just don't get something for him, but also he's a great player to cheer for, he's fun to watch, and so I won't be disappointed if he's not gone, I just won't understand it.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You just they've got to get what they need.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't short change him.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He can't go for a third and change.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to go for second and plus or first.
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's that level of impact player for whoever is going to be taking him.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if the draft picks 24 and behind that's probably what you're going to be looking at it.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Denver is the team that comes calling.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm into sodas, the team that comes calling to help bolster what they have, I think, Denver's probably the front runner right now, but you've got to get a first form.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just that good of a player and you've got to recoup some of the draft capital you lost in South Gardner.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they would be foolish if they sold low on them.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's gotten better every year.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You turn on the tape.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's patient as he's ever been.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's as explosive as he's ever been.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's aging really well.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a type of running back that will age really well.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not dependent on speed to win.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's able to
• 4:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: as a very patient runner to find holes.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the cold zone run scheme does benefit his playstyle and awful lot of the louse him to make cuts and read in the line of scrimmage.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where he thrives.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's over.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that they've been as good of a run blocking team for him as this cult's team has, but you know, what Nelson's a big part of that, and he's gone.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think his numbers behind that offensive line are probably going to struggle more than he deserves.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, everybody will say if he's as good as he's supposed to be, why is he not overcoming that adversity.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's awfully difficult when you get a stack box.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: because your quarterback also doesn't have the pass catchers to throw the ball to and make plays either.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot that's that's going to affect his market if you want to do this in the off season.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they're going to trade him, it's got to be right now.
• 5:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only way it makes sense because if you let him play the rest the year behind this offensive line, I think he's going to struggle running the ball.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to get down early.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to get the value in the off season that you could get right now.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then we still have Josh Downs and I don't know why you wouldn't fire sail at this point get anything that you can't pay any salaries of any guys who aren't going to be there at the start of the 28 season, I think would be the best when you're a contender.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you get a good general manager and a good coach who comes in, the start of the 28 season is the
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: when you want to start paying people you want to clear out as much salary as you can get guys immediately that can help at a medium to low salary and then the next year you're set for when if you have a good general manager.
• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: you're right here to be competitive again and I think everything including getting a third and change for Jonathan Taylor, which is too low.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But as will put it depends on what that changes, I do it because you don't want to carry that salary forward and that's a big salary for a 27 year old running back.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you lay it out like that, I think it probably undersells his value to the franchise a little bit.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think when you look at it on paper, obviously, it makes it.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's a tough sell for the organization to sell them.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the fanbase will revolt against that.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: A third is just not going to be good enough because that's what the public doesn't want to see.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They want to see him go.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if the Patriots
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: had to give up a first to get AJ Brown then then Jonathan Taylor should be a first philanthropic.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Brown's not age.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's been injured the entire year.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not necessarily got up to an awesome start New England.
• 6:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what's up.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so if that's the type of player caliber wise that's demanding a first round draft pick from Jonathan Taylor's just as good as he is regardless of whatever the age situation is.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how many receivers are awesome into their
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: early to mid-30s.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a ton of them.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a bat or AJ Brown's getting to.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hage wise, it's about the same at, you know, and he's a player that is...
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: requires a level of physicality and speed that if he loses a step, he's going to struggle getting open.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a big separation receiver.
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a point at the catch.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is an 80, 20 ball guy and he's awfully good at what he can do, but he is physically limited in terms of his footwork is impeccable.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a route runner like Devontay Adams who can get open seamlessly.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, sometimes those guys don't age very well into their 30s.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Taylor has as long of a prime as AJ Brown does.
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I wholeheartedly believe that is a lot cheaper.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting a player that may be even more impactful for a lower dollar amount.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's a running back, it still feels like it should really be a no-brainer.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a question I have, and I posed it last time, can we get a quarterback in a trade?
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can we, you say third and change?
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: How about a team with a good potential backup quarterback as the change?
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that something that they should consider?
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think they have to consider all the options.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we clearly are not getting out of Daniel Jones, what we need to get right now.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there is clearly no confidence in Richardson.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, you have to think that any confidence in him at all, or Riley Leonard at all, that they would be making a change now.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jones has been that bad.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they clearly don't have very much confidence in their quarterback room at all and I'm not sure that they should.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So so yeah, I think you have to consider some kind of quarterback coming back and it's a possible change item somebody that maybe you can develop maybe can be a stop gap between
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Jones and your next, hopefully franchise quarterback that you may be trying to find the draft someplace.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's why getting the right value for Taylor is so important because, you know, we, we don't have a first round track pick next year.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we really quarterback wise if you're going to get anybody of any value, you have to have a first round pick to do it.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, I think,
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, definitely it's a consideration for that.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of going back to Josh down a little bit.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you kind of brought him up and what his trade value looks like.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm concerned that he just didn't have much value.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a dime a dozen.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why.
• 9:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: he's an average at best slot receiver and I think that's being kind.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So feel like I don't know what we're going to get for him.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So again, the value's got to be enough that it makes sense, but I don't know that he's got a much of a future in the apples either.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So whatever you can get, draft pick wise, probably is, uh, it's an upgrade to Josh Dance, unfortunately.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: all hit on both of those points where I don't like getting a quarterback back doesn't move the needle for this team at all.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just delaying the inevitable.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's nobody that's a backup quarterback right now that I feel is ready to step and be a franchise quarterback especially not a team that is going to be targeted by the Indianapolis cold.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just, they're just not out there.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds awesome.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let's get a quarterback back back.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what we can do.
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anybody that you think outside of a guy like Mac Jones, that's probably really a starting caliber quarterback that's a backup somewhere else?
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about a recently drafted quarterback with potential to try to groom as the at least stop gap if not the next franchise quarterback.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think that guy's out there.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they were, they're surely a team's not going to trade them.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it this moment.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're best bets that this is going to have a ton of quarterbacks in this 20, 27 draft class.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be guys there in the second round.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: that are going to be probably just as capable physically as the guys that you brought in two years ago.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like the landscape of college football in terms of quarterback preparations gotten so much worse in two years.
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say it's as bad right now as it's ever been in terms of quarterbacks actually being NFL ready.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now with downs.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: To me, he's always kind of filled that niche of like a, what did Juan del Robin to get four years, 70 million.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably about where Josh Jones is going to be.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those are guys that are exclusively slut guys.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Juan del Robin's probably even more versatile in terms of being able to move outside than balances.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a very niche gadget player.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have to fill a need for a specific team and everybody's kind of linked him to Kansas City.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they have a Travis Kelsey that sort of fits that niche.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have a Xavier worthy who's they drafted and is really not been good for the Chiefs at all that kind of filled that niche from downs are ready.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious to see if a team does come calling because I think the cold saying they want to third round means they're probably okay get in the fourth if not a fifth and just get them off the books and get them out of there because I don't see them resigning them.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to tell a lot about that franchise and where they view him and prioritize his value.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Moving forward, and I think it kind of helps him establish a market outside of where he was going to be, which is probably that $70 to $80 million range for a four to five year contract.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: surely there's not anybody out there gonna pay Josh down 70 million dollars.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's an exact same thing that you would have said about one Dell Robinson before his last year in New York.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you would have said the exact same thing.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not done anything.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a PPR merchant.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a, you know, check down slot guy.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was really good with the giants, played himself into a pretty decent contract with the titans.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a fine player.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a good slot receiver.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's probably where Talons is at.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: If we're just being completely open and honest, he just, this cult team, he doesn't really have a fit right now because they're receiving course so bad everywhere else that, you know, the cults don't have some deep vertical threat with peers being gone.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not really ever been Keenan Allen's game.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: both kind of eating into each other's skill set and routry in a way because Alan's also primarily a slot guy too.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's still much bigger potty, but it's not been a match made in heaven and I think it's time for down to change his scenery.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just the colds aren't going to re-sign him.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm still sitting here thinking 70, 80 million dollars for Josh Downs.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if somebody's
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: good grief, Greg, you and I probably are a bargain at 10 bill, right?
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that's just the going rate.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just the going rate for a slot receiver now.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds crazy, but when you're salary caps, $200 and something million dollars at the 20,000.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: a million cathodic years not crazy.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where he goes.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I struggle to find a great fit for him right now on the league.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will see it's going to come down to the trade market and where teams view him.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see a great team the AFC really needing his services.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're kind of going down the list, I'm in the bills have Khalil Shakir.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see the Broncos really needed him with even though he's a slot guy and waddle and caught on something or more about side or see if I don't see him being a seamless fit there and Denver.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I jack some build doesn't make any sense.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that Cincinnati is a great landing spot for him.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pittsburgh maybe I could see Pittsburgh but they've kind of really like Jeremy Benard and
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Rodgers is kind of falling in love with them a little bit in the last month or so.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you look around the league.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that there's somewhere for him to go in the AFC.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now the NFC is a different ball game.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to come down to, you know, as any trade, what a team's willing to get them.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you hope that that's what the Colts are asking in a third round draft deck.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just I don't see it.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will and Dave and I will be back tomorrow with our Colts Cowboys preview.
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