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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-5-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: You decided that in a perfect place for you to
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota Wild Colorado Avalanche game two tonight. That'll be a
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  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiaza to talk about what's going on in the
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  Speaker 3: NBA playoffs Broken Houston as the Mammoth have wrapped up
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  Speaker 3: their season. I promised you we would give you some
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  Speaker 3: Mammoth player sound from exit interviews yesterday. I didn't do
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  Speaker 3: that because I'm bad at my job, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: give you some today. Also Stormy bon and Tony she
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  Speaker 3: was rinkside for the Las Vegas Golden Knights Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 3: ESPN broadcasts. We'll talk all things NHL. Maybe a little
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  Speaker 3: college football with her, because of course you see Stormy
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  Speaker 3: on the sidelines during football season as well.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna be a fun one.
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  Speaker 3: And I have probably over indexed and spent more time
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  Speaker 3: than necessary talking about the NHL playoffs, even without the
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  Speaker 3: manavisend them.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I can't help it.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the vision of the NHL, the vision
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  Speaker 3: of Smith Entertainment Group, I was the target demographic they
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  Speaker 3: were looking for. They wanted to bring hockey to the
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  Speaker 3: state of Utah to serve a fan base that has
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  Speaker 3: not enough pro sports in this market, a fan base
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  Speaker 3: that has clung desperately to the Utah Jazz that has
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  Speaker 3: wrapped its arms around MLS soccer and Real Salt Lake,
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  Speaker 3: even if they are not soccer died in the world
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  Speaker 3: brought up on soccer and hockey.
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  Speaker 5: I think that.
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  Speaker 3: Soccer was probably the best example of why hockey can
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  Speaker 3: work in Utah. I think that now hockey and soccer
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  Speaker 3: together are a great example why baseball is going to
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  Speaker 3: work in Utah when it shows up. I think that
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  Speaker 3: BYU and Utah are great enough examples of why an
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  Speaker 3: NFL team would work in Utah, but an NFL team
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  Speaker 3: would work anywhere so well, maybe not Saint Louis. I
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  Speaker 3: guess they've they tried that a couple of times and
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  Speaker 3: it didn't exactly work out.
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  Speaker 5: And in any case, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think that I got sucked in to the NHL vortex
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  Speaker 3: in the way that everyone hoped that it would happen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and when I say everyone, I mean everyone
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  Speaker 3: on the business side of things. We think we can
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  Speaker 3: grab these people, and it's worked for a lot of you,
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  Speaker 3: and I love that we have that.
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  Speaker 5: To talk about now.
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  Speaker 3: But the NBA is still, from a popularity standpoint, is
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  Speaker 3: still well above where the NHL is out. I think
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  Speaker 3: that one is maybe I think the NBA is holding
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  Speaker 3: steady a little bit more I think the NHL hopefully
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  Speaker 3: is growing and is on the rise and is climbing,
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  Speaker 3: and that's that's.
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  Speaker 5: Good for all of us.
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  Speaker 3: But when you watch these NBA playoffs and you see
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  Speaker 3: some of the dominant performances that are happening right now,
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  Speaker 3: it's still a treat to take in the NBA. It's
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  Speaker 3: easy for me, I don't know for you, it's easy
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  Speaker 3: for me to forget that. You know, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these guys are still in there early early twenties, including
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  Speaker 3: some of the very best players on the planet, and
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  Speaker 3: you're you're getting to watch them kind of develop, grow
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  Speaker 3: past these milestones, do things that they've never done in
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  Speaker 3: their careers. Victor Winbin Yama last night, in his postgame
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  Speaker 3: comments after a loss for most people, a surprise loss
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  Speaker 3: by the San Antonio Spurs in Game one of that series,
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  Speaker 3: Victor Webbinyama was pretty introspective. He talked about his energy management,
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  Speaker 3: He talked about how he was doing things on the
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  Speaker 3: offensive end of the floor that we're not helping his team.
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  Speaker 3: I think that he's a special mind, and obviously he's
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  Speaker 3: a special build and body in the sport of basketball,
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  Speaker 3: and we're getting to see this product in high relief
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  Speaker 3: in HD as it becomes the final product, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about just Victor winbin Yama's game in that case.
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  Speaker 3: The other fun thing that happened last night in the
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  Speaker 3: NBA Playoffs was ant Man forcing his way back into
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  Speaker 3: the lineup despite the injury, saying he wanted to play,
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  Speaker 3: and Minnesota handling it well having him come off the bench.
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  Speaker 3: He played twenty five minutes, He scored eighteen points. He
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  Speaker 3: was two or three from three point range. It was
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  Speaker 3: a really really clean game from ant Man. It's like
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  Speaker 3: the physical limitations of coming right back off an injury
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  Speaker 3: probably being a lot less than one hundred percent, but
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  Speaker 3: also there may be something magical for him about, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're also bringing you off the bench, so there's not
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  Speaker 3: a ton of pressure for you right now to be
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  Speaker 3: the guy that carries us and for the second series
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  Speaker 3: in a row, or at least the first game of
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  Speaker 3: the second series in a row. The number one conversation
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  Speaker 3: that you have to have about the Minnesota Timberwolves is
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  Speaker 3: what they are defensively, the difficulties they cause for opposition
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  Speaker 3: with their lineup, with their gigantic and pretty mobile lineup.
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  Speaker 3: Rudy Gobert he had seven points. He was not exactly
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  Speaker 3: hyper efficient offensively, but that's not his role.
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  Speaker 5: Grab ten rebounds as well.
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  Speaker 3: He only had one block shot, but he was instrumental
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  Speaker 3: in keeping Victor webbin Yama off his game. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: that's what Rudy is getting some flowers because of what
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  Speaker 3: he did to Yo Kitchen the first series.
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  Speaker 5: If he can.
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  Speaker 3: Continue this and he's not going to outplay Victor wen Binyama,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's important to be clear about that. He's
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  Speaker 3: not going to be the better player over the course
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  Speaker 3: of this series than Victor wenbin Yama is. But if
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  Speaker 3: he is, he plays a significant role in just throwing
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  Speaker 3: Victor wenbin Yama off his pace, then the Wolves could
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  Speaker 3: actually win the series. Wemby was he had a triple
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  Speaker 3: double last night. Not all triple doubles are created equal.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously he had a triple double, fifteen rebounds, only eleven points.
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  Speaker 3: He missed all three excuse me, all eight of his
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  Speaker 3: three point attempts, which is a record for the Spurs
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  Speaker 3: on the wrong end of things, They've never had somebody
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  Speaker 3: miss eight three pointers in a playoff game. It's it
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  Speaker 3: never happened, it's per's history. He scored eleven points.
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  Speaker 4: He also had twelve bleeping blocks in this game.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, did you coc That was a record for the
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  Speaker 6: number of blocks for a triple double in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 6: That's more than Hakeem Olajuwon, who is the all time
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  Speaker 6: leader in NBA history in blocks. That's more than and
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  Speaker 6: you know, a guy who got way more triple doubles
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  Speaker 6: than he got credit for for a guy his size,
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  Speaker 6: that's more than he had in a playoff game in
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  Speaker 6: uh with a triple double. And I blanking on the
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  Speaker 6: other guy, but it was two other guys with that
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  Speaker 6: with that kind of stat line, and Victor Webbin Yama
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  Speaker 6: is the one with the most blocks. Didn't shoot it
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  Speaker 6: well at all, as you said, but did everything else well,
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  Speaker 6: particularly on the defensive end. The other funny thing about
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  Speaker 6: that is Karl Anthony Towns in that clinching game over
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  Speaker 6: the Hawks for the Knicks where they won by like
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  Speaker 6: eighty points or whatever, he had a triple double only
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  Speaker 6: shooting four shots. So we've had two of the most
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  Speaker 6: unique triple doubles in playoff history over the last like
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  Speaker 6: week in this year's playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: So ant Man and the Wolves surprise the San Antonio Spurs.
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  Speaker 3: They steal Game one, and Julius Randall twenty one points.
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  Speaker 3: He played the most minutes. He played forty one minutes
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  Speaker 3: in a playoff game. He ended up being the leader
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  Speaker 3: for that team, for his team for actually, he led
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  Speaker 3: all scores in this game. And Mike Conley was getting
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  Speaker 3: a lot of love from ant Man. The Minnesota Timberwolves
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  Speaker 3: are like the least sexy lineup without ant Man that
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  Speaker 3: you can find in the NBA of good teams. Right then,
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't say that because the NBA has given us
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  Speaker 3: some including our home town on Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 5: They've got some starting lineups in the G League teams.
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  Speaker 6: Mastuading his NBA teams now in the playoffs day you
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  Speaker 6: got a ten day contract, and also you're a starter,
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  Speaker 6: like we've seen that from the tankathon teams about playoff teams,
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  Speaker 6: I think, right if you're just like, hey, we're gonna
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  Speaker 6: roll out, Julius random, the Knicks got tired of.
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  Speaker 5: They're just like cool cool cool cool cool cool cool,
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  Speaker 5: Rudy go back.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you seven points. Baby.
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  Speaker 3: You're just like that's it's not as a but ant
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  Speaker 3: Man coming off the bench, and remember he was not
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  Speaker 3: going to be available at least until Game three in
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  Speaker 3: this series.
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  Speaker 6: Incredibly fast recovery for him to just to be able
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  Speaker 6: to play. He's still healing, obviously, he's playing hurd on
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  Speaker 6: that hyper extended knee, and he's got the other knee
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  Speaker 6: that's compromised a little bit too, But the fact that
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  Speaker 6: he was able to play it all and play as
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  Speaker 6: well as he did that incredible recovery.
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  Speaker 3: The Lakers are dealing with similar things with Luka Doncic
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  Speaker 3: right now. Luca, though, according to Reggie Miller this morning,
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  Speaker 3: Luca is not playing in team scrimmages. He's not going
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  Speaker 3: in actual five on five runs in practice yet. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to get a surprise appearance
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  Speaker 3: by Luca at all. Oh okay, I don't mean to
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  Speaker 3: take it aside here. The Carolina Hurricanes are currently on
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  Speaker 3: my television in those horrifically awful sweaters, the home sweaters
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  Speaker 3: that they wear with the the hurricane flags on a
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  Speaker 3: hockey stick.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, what are those hurricane fights? I have not been
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  Speaker 6: able to figure that out. Is that something? It's a
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  Speaker 6: hurricane warning flag? Okay, the eye of the storm puck thing.
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  Speaker 6: Their actual logo is so good though, why would they?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's hideous red flag, red square with a black square
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  Speaker 3: taking up the middle of the flag and indicates a
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  Speaker 3: storm warning. If there's two of such flags, then it's
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  Speaker 3: a hurricane. Maybe the worst logo at all of sports. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: that's my non sequitar I apologize for that.
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  Speaker 6: That Wemby triple double, the twelve blocks. There's also a
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  Speaker 6: single game playoff record, not just a playoff record for
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  Speaker 6: blocks in a triple And.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how the moral victory involved in
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  Speaker 3: making sure that a record setting performance is just that
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  Speaker 3: and not a win for the Minnesota Timberwolves to be like,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, fine, have your unbelievable defensive day. Let this
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  Speaker 3: be a lesson to you, though, If you expend that
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  Speaker 3: much energy at the defensive end of the floor and
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  Speaker 3: it takes away from whatever abilities you have on the
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  Speaker 3: offensive end of the floor, We're going to find a
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  Speaker 3: way to win these games. Victor Webbinyama's postgame comments he
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  Speaker 3: talked about he was wasting energy on offense.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he was using energy on defense. He didn't wasn't wasting.
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  Speaker 3: It because he was getting blocks and he was successful
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  Speaker 3: in doing what he's supposed to do on the defensive end.
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  Speaker 5: But if you have, if you.
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  Speaker 3: Got that Mortal Kombat power meter at the top of
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  Speaker 3: your screen, and a bunch of that is being spent
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  Speaker 3: on successful defense and then unsuccessful or inefficient offense.
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  Speaker 5: Even Victor webbin Yama, this.
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  Speaker 3: Unicorn alien, nobody else is built like him.
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  Speaker 5: He's young, he's crazy like.
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  Speaker 3: Even he can't keep it up indefinitely from an efforts standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: especially when his fellow countryman and a guy that he's
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  Speaker 3: followed for a long time is there defensively trying to
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  Speaker 3: stop him. Like the Minnesota Timberwolves are one of the very,
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  Speaker 3: very very few teams out there who can at least
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  Speaker 3: approximate the length battle with Wemby and force him to
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  Speaker 3: try to get more of his offense done from the outside.
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  Speaker 5: That's massive for them.
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  Speaker 3: Now because of Victor Winmanielm's greatness, I think you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: see him make the necessary adjustments and he's gonna outplay
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  Speaker 3: Rudy Gobert.
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  Speaker 5: In this series. But I'm telling you, for Minnesota to
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  Speaker 5: even knock him off the pace changes the dynamic in
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  Speaker 5: this series dramatically.
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  Speaker 6: It absolutely does, and not just with Rudy by the way, Minnesota,
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  Speaker 6: when they traded for Rudy, and they still had Karl
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  Speaker 6: Anthony Towns, who's a seven foot or two, they don't
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  Speaker 6: they don't have him anymore. But even without Towns, when
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  Speaker 6: they traded for Rudy, they decided to make a bet that, hey,
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  Speaker 6: if we can be bigger than everyone else and offensively,
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  Speaker 6: if we can at the time, if we can use
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  Speaker 6: a guy like Towns, who's great, who's a great three
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  Speaker 6: point shooter for the size that he is, both his
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  Speaker 6: weight and his height, there we can we can take
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  Speaker 6: the league by storm. And it's worked so far, even
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  Speaker 6: after they traded away Karl Anthony Towns, because nas Reed,
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  Speaker 6: who's also basically a seven footer, has emerged as one
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  Speaker 6: of the better offensive players coming off the bench certainly,
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  Speaker 6: and a guy who could certainly start in this league.
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  Speaker 6: He's another guy that gives them a lot of length.
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  Speaker 6: It's so it's not just Rudy. They can throw lots
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  Speaker 6: of big guys at Wemby at the Spurs. I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 6: like you, I'm not sure it's gonna be enough. Because
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  Speaker 6: Wemby's talent is that great. If he can just get
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  Speaker 6: be efficient on offense, and that's what he's learning how
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  Speaker 6: to do. Still, the defense is kind of a naturally
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  Speaker 6: dominating thing about him. He's learning to be efficient offensively.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if he makes one of those three porters, then
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  Speaker 3: that's over. The game makes up the margin. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 3: it does though, when I see this, right we talk
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  Speaker 3: about this potential for a Utah Jazz lineup to have
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  Speaker 3: Walker Kessler, Trey j Jared Jackson Junior, we still workshop
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  Speaker 3: and Lowry as like these these three towers in the middle.
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  Speaker 5: I think it helps you at least it helps me.
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  Speaker 3: Envision and opportunity, maybe not to beat Okac, maybe not
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  Speaker 3: to be a real problem for them in the near future.
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  Speaker 3: But Okay, if if you can collaborate size wise and
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  Speaker 3: slow Wenby down, you're never gonna stop him.
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  Speaker 5: But if you can slow Wenby down and you can
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  Speaker 5: force the other.
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  Speaker 3: Guys to beat you, you still got to get better
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  Speaker 3: perimeter defense wise, defensive league period. This Jazz team's gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to be a lot better and close that gap.
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  Speaker 3: But if you can approximate a little bit of what
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota is and has done in their front court, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I don't want to be disrespectful too,
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  Speaker 3: like Rudy Gobert is a multiple time Defensive Player of
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  Speaker 3: the Year, and for the Utah Jazz, I think Walker
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  Speaker 3: Kessler can be a real factor and I hope that
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  Speaker 3: he is part of their plans the way that I
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  Speaker 3: envisioned him being part of their plans. And obviously Jaron
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  Speaker 3: Jackson Junior was brought in to be exactly that the
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  Speaker 3: defensive presence. He doesn't have the same level of size
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  Speaker 3: and length that Rudy Gobert does. But if you can
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  Speaker 3: be the poor man's front court, maybe that gets you
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  Speaker 3: over the hump against some of the other problems you
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  Speaker 3: have in the Western Conference, like the Denver Nuggets barring
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  Speaker 3: any wild changes there, like this San Antonio Spurs team
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  Speaker 3: even potentially but the also rans. Maybe it makes you
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  Speaker 3: more of a threat against some of the teams that
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  Speaker 3: are relying on size inside offensively.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but one of my problems with where
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  Speaker 3: we're at with the Utah Jazz right now has been awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I think we get to turn it on next year
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  Speaker 3: and this team is going to be better.
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  Speaker 5: Better is still.
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  Speaker 4: I think a long, long, long long.
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  Speaker 3: Way from being good enough, given what other teams have
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  Speaker 3: in the West right now. But styles make fights, man,
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  Speaker 3: and the matchups that we are seeing right now, the
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  Speaker 3: Timberwolves being the best example of this, You're just like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you might not be built to destroy everybody in the league.
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  Speaker 5: You might not be built to take out everyone in
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  Speaker 5: the league.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the Minnesota Timberwolves and what they're good
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  Speaker 3: at right now translates as well against even the Lakers,
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  Speaker 3: certainly not against OKC. But progress is something, and I
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  Speaker 3: know for them, because they've been oh so close, there's
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  Speaker 3: no moral victory in like, hey, like we are the
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  Speaker 3: stoppers of the Nuggets and maybe, just maybe we are
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  Speaker 3: the stoppers of the Spurs. I know for them that
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  Speaker 3: will not be good enough where the Jazz are at
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  Speaker 3: and their journey. If you could be the stoppers of
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  Speaker 3: even one playoff team in the West in this next season,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like, all right, there's a vision here.
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  Speaker 5: There's some good things.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: We got to get better, better three point shooting, better
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  Speaker 3: perimeter play. And if that experiment that I think is
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  Speaker 3: being put on the floor next year gives you something
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  Speaker 3: like what we're seeing from Minnesota, I'm buying on it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like that's that's gonna make me feel a lot
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  Speaker 3: better about where this franchise is at.
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  Speaker 6: What's so hard to swallow about Minnesota's success the last
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  Speaker 6: three years, They've gone to back to back Western Conference Finals,
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  Speaker 6: By the way, I feel like, I feel like that's
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  Speaker 6: like the quietest back to back Western Conference Finals run,
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  Speaker 6: especially for a franchise who'd only been to one in
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  Speaker 6: their existence before that, and it was twenty years before.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: But I digress.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: What's a little bit hard to swallow about this is
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: this version of the Minnesota Timberwolves is basically the version
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: that of the Utah Jazz that they hope to be
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: before they blew it up.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: And they did it. They did it better.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: It's a better version of what the Jazz did with
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert four or five years ago.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: The team that went was the one seed and lost
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: in to the Clippers in in uh in tragic fashion.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: And the other thing that makes it hard to swallow
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: about that is they is the t Wolves have Jade McDaniels,
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: who is the guy they should have the Jazz should
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: have picked instead of Udoka as a bookie in the
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: first round. The guy that was the guy that was
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: there for the Jazz to take, and they they inexplicably
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: took uh Udoka as a bookie who probably should have
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: been a second round pick, if if not if drafted
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: at all in that in that draft. So they are
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: and and Anthony Edwards is a little bit taller version
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: and better defender than Donovan Mitchell. But he's the swagger
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: like don has that Anthony Edwards swagger, he has that
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: scoring ability like the Jazz could have been this version
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: of the te Wolves if they made one more decision,
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: one different decision, probably drafting Jaden McDaniels, and if the
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: chemistry was better. Obviously, this this te Wolves team you
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: can tell loves playing for each other. And because they
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: chose wisely on the kind of perimeter defenders and making
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: a bet on Rudy Gobert, the grit that they have
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: is what helps them advance. As far as they've advanced,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: it's just unfortunately it's been a talent gap.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Once they get to the Western Conference finals.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: And I think that they should get more credit than
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: they are getting for that great and hopefully the conversation
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: around Anthony Edwards extra respect put on his name because
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: playoff basketball. You should be doing this right. If you're
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: a star player for a franchise, you should be playing
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: at significantly like you should be playing in a time
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: when the medical staff is just like it might actually
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: be in our in your best interest to like give
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: it a couple more games. I want pushback from my
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: star player on that. I think that the norm in
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the NBA and in Major League Baseball and in the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: NFL too much.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I think the norm now with a lot of these.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Professional athletes is to be like, what's that Doc says,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I can't go?
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, I can't go.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to disparage and paint too broad
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: a brush because I know there are guys out there
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and everyone plays hurt at the end of the season.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about hurt. Playing injured is something that
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of people just refuse to do.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: For obvious reasons.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And it's okay if they don't, right, But if I'm
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: an owner, if I'm a hardcore fan, if when the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz are in a position to be in a
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: second round playoff series and it's just like this is
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: a Grade two sprain on the ankle, I want somebody
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: going well, tape it up and let me bleep and play.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: Did you hear did you you watch much of the
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: broadcast last night? Did you hear it was Jordan Cornette
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: that was doing sidelines. He reported that Chris Finch was
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: trying because they're trying to do minutes restriction with him here, obviously,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: and Chris Finch was trying to pull him out in
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: the second quarter, and Ant said, no, I'm good.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: You can trust me.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: I'm good, and he and he let him stay in
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: the game a little bit longer in the second quarter,
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: like so good.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: It's we've gotten away from that thing too much in sports,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: and like we're gonna have Gordia chays On in seven minutes, right,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: And I guarantee you that Gordy from his era, that's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the norm. That behavior was the norm. That behavior was
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: what guys did. That's the reason that John and Carl
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: all personal problems. Aside from a basketball player standpoint, it
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: was just like I'm going to be there, I'm gonna
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: show up, I'm gonna play for my team.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Not because they.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Were genetic freaks who were constantly healthy, but because the
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: expectation they put on themselves that I think the franchise
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: put on them that the league culture itself put on
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: players at that time was just like, yeah, show up
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: and earn your damn paycheck.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: And we've gotten away from that. In all professional sports.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: You've got load management, you've got rest, and if you
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: do that in the playoffs, you're gonna lose fans. If
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: that becomes the conversation when the games are this high stakes,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: then the fifty five year old father of four is
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: gonna be like, dude, I can't anymore with this, this
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: twenty five year old guy. I need him to be
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: out there. And people are gonna migrate to sports like hockey.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: People are gonna migrate to the combat sports. People are
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: gonna migrate to where on display constantly are these things
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: that we value in athletes, work, ethic, toughness, all the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: things that your regular job doesn't demand of you.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: That's what you want to see in pro sports.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And I'm probably overreacting here, but Anthony Edwards telling his
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: own coach, his own team doctor, let me handle this
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: is no longer the Norman is something that I absolutely love,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: even if it's coming off the bench. And obviously he
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: played incredibly well, so when he says, hey, you gotta
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: trust me, absolutely, you do good for him. On the
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: opposite end of the spectrum is where the Philadelphia seventy
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: six ers were last night.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Who speaking of another Knicks blowout. That's three straight games
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: of twenty five point or more deficits.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And suddenly everyone's just like, it's the Knicks coming out
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: of the East. I mean, I'm listening to the radio
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: this morning as I'm driving in and Reggie Miller and
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Dan Patrick are talking, and it's just a foregone conclusion.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Suddenly that all right, let's say it's gonna be the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Knicks out of the East. Is it okay?
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: See?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Is it San Antonio? Can Minnesota actually get there? Can Lebron?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: There have been a conversation about if Lebron can drag
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: this team through a bunch of time without Luca.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: It's not happening against Okase. I don't think. I don't
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: think it is either our national media Laker lovers.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, the conversation with that Lebron always goes back
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: to can he do something with these playoffs to leapfrog
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Michael Jordan? And then it got into the semantic who's
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the best player, who's the greatest player?
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: Stop?
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it bores me absolutely.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But the foregone conclusion suddenly being that it is the
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Knicks coming out of the East is.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Because of these big blowout wins.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: It's also because when you watch the Philadelphia seventy six
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: ers and they pull the starters to rest them at
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the end of the game because it's a blowout and
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: it's a foregone conclusion, and they're yucking it up on
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the bench and they're joking with one another. It is
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the most horrendous look possible, even if like by all means,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: don't let it ruin your nights. You're a professional athlete.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You know it's a seven game series. You can bounce back.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Understand that there's an arena full of fans. Understand that
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: there's millions of people watching. Understand that there are folks
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: that expect you to care a lot more than it
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: looks like you care. And I'm not suggesting they don't
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: actually care, because clearly they do their NBA players, But
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: the self awareness or the lack of self awareness to
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: think that when your team is getting blown out, this
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: is not a regular season, it's not game number seventy
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: six on the schedule, where we've all kind of gotten
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: sick of it. It's not Game number fifteen where none
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: of us are really invested emotionally. Yet this is a
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: playoff game, and Joel Embiid, mister street close, is laughing
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: on the bench while his team gets blown out by
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: forty in the playoffs.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: What are you doing?
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: What's a it's a fundamental lack of understanding of the
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: city you play in too, Like that is Philadelphia sports
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: radio is probably killing them for that.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Someone's gonna someone's gonna throw a battery at him from
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: their stands, and like, listen, whether you there's a lot
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: of people that don't like the Philly sports culture.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: They think it's it's too much, it's too intense, it's
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: too it's too obnoxious, whatever, whatever your opinion of that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: Of that is when you are the star player or
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: even a starter on one of those teams that has
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: a decent chance at winning something notable in a championship
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: or making a really deep playoff run like these Sixers do,
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: especially after they knock out everyone's favorite to win the
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: East in the first round, you gotta have enough respect
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: for your fan base to give them what they expect, right, Like.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: That's I don't even care if you're acting I don't
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: even care if you're sitting on the bench pretending to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: be mad. Just do the thing you're supposed to do
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: and at least pretend, at least go through the motions
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: of being an elite competitor.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: When you're in the bleeping playoffs.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: That's bad. That's a bad look no matter where they play.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: But I just think of the identity of Philly and
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: the stereotype of Philly.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: It's like I would be livid.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: If I would be I would be like, I don't
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: want I don't want to root for these guys.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: They're not one of us.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: How often did we see that from a Utah Jazz
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: team this year who wasn't even trying to win, where
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: the players in a loss are just like like, you
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: didn't even see that from the Jazz a group of
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: young guys that have zero expectations to be anything this
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: whole trust to process. We're gonna do it our way,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: we're gonna win. Oh, look we got MB and he's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: healthy this year. Come on, And and that's your behavior
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: is I don't want to I don't want to overreact
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: to microcosm things like a joke on the bench is fine,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: But in that scenario. It's well beneath the level of
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: respect you have to show your fan base and the
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: NBA at large. We'll talk more about the important things,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: not that the important part of these NBA playoffs with
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiasa.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: He's going to join us next. We're rolling on a Tuesday.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: It's ESPN seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Peace out.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: NBA than.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Any of us will ever know. Let's not get crazy.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Come for the hoops talk.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Stay for his list of the day our list today,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: here's oc with basketball sob on Gordy Chiaysa on the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: We welcome in our NBA guru to talks and playoff basketball.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Gordy Chiasa, welcome back to the show. How are you, sir, Sean.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: I'm doing well, Thank you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I just spent fifteen minutes ranting about my admiration for
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards forcing his way back into a Game one lineup,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: coming off the bench, playing the way that he did,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: you know, arguing with his own coach that he wants
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to stay. Don't worry about min minutes restrictions. I'm good.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: What did you make of his performance in Game one
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: in a Timberwolves win.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: Very much. The whole thing said mentioned before is that
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: he wanted to win badly. Eleven points in the fourth quarter.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: He delivered when they had to make baskets and plays.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: He was right there. He he'ts emotional. That's to make
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: them such a terrific player where he wants to be
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: out there with his teammates. He goes last night in
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: the twenty five minutes. I'm sure next game he'll start,
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: and that's that's good. So they he was good. Caution
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: as far as not starting him, they tried to hold
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: him out much as they could. And now he's ready
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: to play, and so he's passionate. And then the NBA playoffs,
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: there's no tomorrow. That each game does matter, and so
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: did each possession, and he wants to be out with
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: his teammates. Also from a team standpoint, it's uplifting that
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: maybe he was doubtly he's going to play in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: first two games in this series, but he was able
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: to deliver, and now his teammates respect me even more.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Victor Weinbinyama had an historic but kind of strange game
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: last night. Dominant at the defensive end, really bad from
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: three point shooting last night. You know, he talked Postgabe
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: about how he needs to manage his energy better and
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: not waste things on the offensive end.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: I'm curious how you evaluated.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: His performance and more than why he was so bad
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: offensively last night.
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: Well, first thing is that they're being more physical with him,
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: and so Rudy Gobert and Nasried and all the guys
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: who were trying to guard him that they really got
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: after him. And so he shot five to seventeen and
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: he struggled in his second half to say that you
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: need to go two points and a two point loss
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: for his team. And add to that part of it
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: was just the whole thing where dispersa first game jitters
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: as far as even though the first round was really
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: easy for them, now each round gets even harder. And
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: Rudy Gobert is so purposed during the first two series
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: against Nikola Jokic. Now gats when Beyonmba is to try
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: to slow him down, and so there's much more physicality
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: and when Beyonba it takes years. But also in the meantime,
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: every possession you've got to be able to be mentally
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: strong and physically and so that's not think he's only
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: twenty two years old. His twelve blocks are phenomenal absolutely,
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: and that's ad the NBA record for most blocks in
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: a postseason beating out rajah On, Mark Eaton, and Andrew Binam.
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: So twelve blocks was great offensively from three point range,
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: He's got to be able to mix up better. Last night,
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: the two main players from the Spurs shown from three
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: point range, Victory and Beyonder and also Darren Fox. They
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: go oh for twelve and threes and a two point
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: and so next game those guys will be ready to
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: make shots and be more physical and velocity offensively.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: In combat sports, there's an adage about how styles making
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: fights right that sometimes the matchup is more important than
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: your individual talent. How do you what you're good at
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: match up with what he's good at, and vice versa.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: We saw that in the first round series with Minnesota
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and the Denver Nuggets. Does their style match up well
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: with this San Antonio Spurs team in a way that
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: maybe other teams in the West don't.
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: Yes, very much. And also add to that as far
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: as experience, the chi Wolves have lost in the conference
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: finals back to back years. So in their world, they're
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: trying to get to the conference final, which is really
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: hard to do, being a final four three straight years
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: in the NBA, And so that their veterans are good
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: and the star player Anthony Edwards is a major talent,
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: just showed last night what he's all about as far
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: as about his teammates, and Julius Randel is a bully scorer,
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: and so the matchups for the t Wolves is that
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: it's very advantageous for them. At the flip side for
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: the San Antonio Spurs. Again, I'm not going to react
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: as a two point loss and Champenne shot, I thought
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: it was going to go down and win that game
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: from the left at the buzzer. That's that rhythm three
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: was wide open. But with that said, the reason why
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: they lost was the physicality of their Tea Wolves, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: that's a huge factor as far as understanding how to
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: mix up the three point shots and how you finish
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: mid range game and also how you drive to the basket.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: And the t Wolves do match up with them, and we'll.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: See Gordy Chase is our guest here on the shot
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: on Carlos Show Talk at All Things NBA Playoffs. The
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia seventy six ers went out with a whimper against
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: the New York Knicks. Now the Knicks are on the roll,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: They're blowing people out, and was last night more about
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the Knicks being dominant or about Philadelphia not being prepared.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Knicks being dominant. Yeah, Philadelphia coming up with an emotional
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: victory in Game seven, which is absolutely spectacular. However, they
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: had low energy, but part of it is because the
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: Knicks was so fast and Jalen Brunson showed his brilliance
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: as one of the best all time Nickabocker players with
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: thirty five points. He was brilliant twenty seven points in
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: the first half. So it was a combination of both.
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: Was more Knicks, Knicks said the record now in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: postseason where they've now have won three straight posted in
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: games by twenty five plus points or more. That's a
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: historical standard. It's never happened before where they're dominant. I
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: Dreel Embiid, who play very well in the first series.
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: Last night's game, he had no opposite rebounds, no blocks,
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: and no steals. He goes three for eleven. So they
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: can't win against Nickerbockers without Joel Embiid having a high
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: level game. And so the Knicks are ready to play.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: They bleasted the seventy sixeres you mentioned pover thirty nine points.
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to now Game two Wednesday night in
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: the Garden. So now you're seventy six ers. You're going
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: to sit in New York City for a day and
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: a half on Midtown Manhattan, and wherever you go, people
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: are saying to you about you being chumps, et cetera.
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: I lived that life when I just played the Bulls,
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: the same scenario where collectively the players do rally. So
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: I'm looking at so Gibilli. The playoffs start in my
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: mind in game two on Wednesday night.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I was listening to conversations this morning about the Lakers
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: series and about the questions of whether a forty one
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: year old Lebron James can continue to do what he's
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: been doing, especially because Luca is not even a full
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: participant in practices yet. This Thunder team has been incredible. They're,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: of course the defending champs. How do you handicap Thunder
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: versus La.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: I like the Thunder in six games, but I like
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: Lebron all the time, says the question philosophically, do we
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: all think that lou Dort, Jalen Williams and Kendrick Williams
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: can slow down Lebron? And the answer is no, So
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: eventually they're going to play cruise so at six foot
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: six trying to get under Lebron's body to try to
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: slow him down. So Lebron has a great matchup in
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: this series, and so the question is again can he
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: help will his team to win by making place. I
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: see the big matchup's going to be DeAndre Ayton has
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: to outplay outfight Chet Hungerm and as Aya Hartstein. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: then the question also philosophically is can Marcus Smart have
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: enough tenacity and enough range of defensively to try to
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: attempt to slow down shape Jiles Alexander And so it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: really a fascinating matchup. I do think that Thunder are
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: going to win because they're so deep as far as
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: one to ten, But I like the Lakers battling. Let's
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: put his own context with Lebron. James who turns forty
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: two on the Stember thirtieth of this year. When Lebron
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: last time played against the Thunder in twenty and twelve,
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: which is now fourteen years ago, in the postseason, Bronnie
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: James was seven years old, Jared McCain of the Thunder
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: was eight years old, Chet Hunkering of the Thunder was
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: ten years old, and Shay Jills Alexander was thirteen years old.
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: That's how great Lebron is then and still now.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: That's absolutely insane.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Who is the same Who's the second most important player
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: in this Lakers lineup until they get Luca back.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: Lukenard got to make shots, but he needs help thout,
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: he needs a screen, and he needs spacing. So he's
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: got to get himself going.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: Of course the flip side is going to be they're
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: going to try to not leave him, that they're gonna
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: leave him. So a lot of times when you're a
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: knockdown shooter like Kyle Korp former Jazz j Ingalls, especially
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: in playoff games where schematically the defense is absolutely there's
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: no excuse leaving a shooter right open for a corner
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: three hit. The game plan, what do you? What's the
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: problem You're leaving him? And so the players defensively know
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: that But with that said, you've got to move him
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: around set screens. Do you as the best way as
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: a great shooter to get free to be a screen
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: of yourself. I just describe Stephen Curry and a younger
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: version of Klay Thompson with the Warriors. So Cannard's got
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: to get himself going as far as moving around and
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: not let the thunder stationary guard him. So it's gonna
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: be fascinating. Can he do it? Will he do it?
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: And can his teammates find him in catch rhythm? The playoffs,
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: there's nothing like it showing it's it's so like intense
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: and it's a mental game and within the game, it's
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: another game going on the previous possessions. Most shooters in
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: playoff games have to shoot forward, not backwards. You miss
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: one or two shots, you've got yourself down before he said,
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: your feet ready to make the next shot because the
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: stakes are so high.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: The Pistons had a scare in round one. They start
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: their series against the Cavaliers tonight, five o'clock on NBC.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Is it smoother this time for the Pistons or are
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: the Cavaliers a team that can take them out?
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: Take him out? Caw Bless could absolutely yes, very much.
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: Donvin Mitchell, former Jazz, tremendous player. In his nine year
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: Korea has never won a second round series. So Donovan
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: nine straight years in the playoffs and we all know
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: Donovan's game nine. So nine straight years, never gotten past
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: the second round. So in his world, he's going to
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: be in a strike mode, attack mode to try to
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: get himself going, but also his teammates going. The Pistons
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: are the defensive minded, physical team, now so are the Cavs.
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: So this is going to be a half court series basically,
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: So can James Harden and Donvin Mitchell Can they outplay
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: Kate Cunningham and Arson Thompson That's the first thing philosophically,
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: and Eric Mobley are jumping Jack. Can he slow down
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: Tobias Harris who had a great matchup in against Celtics,
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: and then Jaron Allen versus Jellen Duran Duran who's a
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: tremendous young and then Dennis Shrewd and all the other
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: guys off the bench for the Cavaliers and the Pistons.
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: So it's going to be a deep series. It's going
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: to go I think it's going to go very very long.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: And I do like possibly the Cavs upsetting the first
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: seed the Detroit Pistons.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: What's your list today, GORDI, by.
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: This today is the power of coaching. And before I forget,
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: is that you know about the G League? People was
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: talking about the G League et cetera. Is not important. Well,
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: I know I'm not objective because I worked for the
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: NBA one time as a a G League mentor as
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: far as coaching. So that said was that there's three
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: coaches in the final eight in the NBA that have
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: where were once head coaches in the G League. They
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: are Mark Daknot of the Thunder, Nick Nurse of the
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: seventy Sixes, and Chris Finch of the t Wolves. So
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: three to eight people who are in the final eight
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: in the NBA with G Lee coaches as head coaches,
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: And that just shows you the power of coaching. So
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: my list today is the most career wins by a
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: head coach in NBA Playoff history, the most wins as
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: a coach. His seven quick attributes as far as master
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: traits of elite coaches at any level one listening, two, communicating, three, teaching, four, organizing, five, delegating, six, inspiring,
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: and seven under pressure skills. So whether your coach in
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: junior high or a high school, college, or a big
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: bad NBA or the NFL, most coaches have mestered, if
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: not all, many of those traits. Here we go. Twelve
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: all time playoff victories are tie. George carl and Lenny
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: Wilkins with eighty playoff wins number eleven all time. Casey
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: Jones with eighty one, number ten all time. He coaches
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: the Pacers right now. Rick Carlo with eighty six, number
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: nine all time. My former colleague and friend, Jerry Sloan
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: is ninth all time coaching player victories with ninety eight,
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: eighth all time, Bred all Back with ninety nine seven
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: all time, Larry Brown with one hundred sixth all time.
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: He might retire, maybe not. Golden State Warriors Steve Kirk
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: with one hundred and four playoff victories number five all time.
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: Eric Spolstrom of Mammy Heat with one hundred and ten
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: number four, just recently retired. Doc Rivers fourth all time
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: with one hundred and fourteenth victories Number three. San Antonio
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: Spurs former head coach for twenty nine years, Gregg Popovich
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: with one hundred and seventy victories Number two still running
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: to Mammy Heat decades. Pat Rally's second all time with
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: one hundred and seventy one, and the number one head
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: coach in the NBA with the most ever postseason victories
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: is Phil Jackson with two hundred and twenty nine victories,
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: which comes to fifty winning percentage of postseason games. And
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: that just shows you that these people have longevity and
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: one of the master trades. All right, Oh see who
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: has in the NFL? Who has the most ever postseason
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: victories of playoff games in the NFL?
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Right now?
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: It's Bill Belichick, that is correct, That's right, Belichick with
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: thirty one thirty one. Andy Reeves is second with twenty five.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: So Andy Reid is he's got a real good chance
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: of passing up Belichick and being and being the guy
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: right now in the NBA, there's there's there's no one
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: really close to Phil Jackson who has the best chance
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: to pass it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: Nobody, Yeah, you know, really nobody. You have to coach
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: such a long time, that's the first thing. And also
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: that you have to have around you elite talent for decades,
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: and so Phil Jackson, you know, to his credit, but
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: also coaching elite talent is very difficult also because of
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: the personalities, and it just shows you that he's able
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: to with his own, you know, cult himself as far
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: as get these guys to play as unit literally majority
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: of the time. And it's hard to do. I mean,
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: coaching is I know I'm not objective because I'm a
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: former coach for thirty six years, but it's hard because
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: you're dealing with a lot of interesting personalities and that
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: everybody does want to win, but on their terms versus
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: what's best for our group. And the last point I
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: to say about this is that how can a star
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: player showcase the individual talent within the framework of a team.
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: That's the mission statement of a coach to allow that
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: star player to do it, and the coaches I mentioned
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: on this list, they messed that trait of doing it.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Gordy love catching up with you on All Things NBA.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: We'll see you in studio on Thursday.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: Thanks Sean peace out.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: That's Gordy Chias, our resident NBA guru. Got to take
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: a quick one here when we come back. It's it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: way way too early right. Offseason lists and rankings don't
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: mean much, but if you're a Utah football fan be
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: prepared to get a little bit bothered by the latest
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: ESPN rankings. So Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven.
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  Speaker 3: regular season baseball going on. Unfortunately, our Mammoth are out,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: but Big Willy's still running all these games.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, that run with the Mammoth. The vibe at the
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  Speaker 10: people were chanting. I mean it was like you're at
• 50:49
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  Speaker 10: unfortunately their time has ended. But yeah, all the games
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got a great I mean I think they're
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: gonna win the Cup this year.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they look really good.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: I can't decide how I want to deal with the
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas Golden Knights right now, because when you lose
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: to somebody, it makes you look better if they end up,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, it's not so bad if you
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: lost to the eventual champions. So I think that's like
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: the rivalry is developing. It's not like you could never
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: root for BYU if you're a Utah fan. But I
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: think it's gonna get there. I don't know if we're
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: there yet, So I can't decide how if I want
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: to like wish the Knights well or if I'm like,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: screw those guys.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: They beat us.
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: You think they're gonna be more of a rival than
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: they Avalanche, Yeah, I do.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: They're closer like people everyone in Salt Lake goes to
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Vegas all the time for something, right, not true with Denver.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Now we are the much much cooler mountain city.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Like when people who have not been to either Denver
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: or Salt Lake from around the country, the mental picture
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: of Denver in their mind is actually.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: Salt Lake City.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: They think it's like this cool place that is tucked
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: up right against the mountains and then they fly there
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: and they're just like, the mountains are two hours away
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: from here, not a half hour. Yeah, we're right here, right.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: So I mean, for that reason, I think that Denver
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: can be a rival. But I think I think Vegas,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: especially because your first playoff series was against them, you
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: got some big wins.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: You get I don't know that really really chippy, so hard.
• 52:33
  Speaker 10: And it's hard to watch the games because every time
• 52:34
  Speaker 10: they talk about a player, they're like, oh, so and
• 52:36
  Speaker 10: so scored three overtime goals against the Mammoth and you're
• 52:38
  Speaker 10: just like, all right, switching this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about it. Shut up. Yeah, So,
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe you can help me decide how if I'm I'm
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: gonna hate on them already or I'm gonna wait until
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: next year to really hate.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: I think we start the hate, all right, let's go,
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: let's do it.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: You have to sit in the corner. You gotta sit
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll put them in the penalty box. Perfect. Okay,
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• 53:19
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I know what you mean by that, anything special.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna talk a little bit more hockey.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Brogan Houston is gonna join us. I promise we are
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: gonna get to that list with Utah's ranking in the
• 55:14
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  Speaker 3: what ESPN thinks about your utes right now, we'll get there.
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  Speaker 4: What a selection of grub from Big Willies.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: James, Once you get me set up here with Brogan Houston,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: you got to come in and grab this giant plate
• 55:58
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• 56:01
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• 56:12
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• 56:15
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• 56:17
  Speaker 3: the food for the hot lunch, and a preemptive big
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: thanks to our next guest, Brogan Houston, Utah Mammoth Insider
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: stops by to talk about the end of this season,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: what's coming for this franchise, and of course, the remaining
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: teams in the NHL playoffs.
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: Brogan Houston, Welcome back to the show.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: How are you.
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: I'm doing well. I'm a little hungry. I wish we
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: would have done this in person today.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: You know what, We'll save some for you. They brought
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: so much down we'll just walk on.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: In and you're invited.
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: Sound good.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: So we've got some more exit interviews we'll hear from
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: the big bosses and such today. But your your overarching
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: thoughts on the end of that series with the Las
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Vegas Golden Knights and the way this team should be
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: processing their performance in the series.
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, we talked to every player on Sunday and
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: it kind of seems like everybody had the right mindset
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: of this, this kind of like, oh, yes, this was
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: the goal that we had set out to accomplish, that
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: we make the playoffs and see what happens from there,
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: but combined with the right amount of regret of like
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: oh wow, like there were just these couple of things
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: that we could have done better to make it onto
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: the next round. And so it's it's kind of that
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: mix of like success and regret at the same time,
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: which is I think exactly where you want to be
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: because you know, under Attorney in his press conference after
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: Game six, he said, like it has to hurt, right, Like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 9: you don't learn from it unless it hurts, And it
• 57:47
  Speaker 9: was clear during exit interviews that it hurts. But that
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: also doesn't stop them from you know, believing that they
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: that they were in the spot that they were supposed
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: to be in and that they had set up to
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: you know, called the goal that they had set up
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: to accomplish at the beginning of the year.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that especially holding leads, and then
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: the bright side is you held leads in those games,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: and then the downside, the more significant takeaways probably that
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: you blew those leads. Third period leads are supposed to
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: be handled by pushing through and maintaining and winning the game.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: And what was, in your opinion, what was the biggest
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: misstep or the issue or issues that caused this team
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: to be oh so close and yet not being able
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: to close those out.
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: I think it was a combination of two things. One
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: is that Vegas is the best third period team in
• 58:41
  Speaker 9: the lead this year, so that's part of it. Like
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: a lot of teams have given up third period leads
• 58:48
  Speaker 9: to the Vegas Golden Nights this year. But you know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: obviously then state it three times that they were leading
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: in the third period and lost the game. So there's
• 58:56
  Speaker 9: something that you know, you have to adjust and fix.
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: And I think I think the thing that the Manith
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: struggled with in this series was they'd get a lead,
• 59:05
  Speaker 9: and then they would defend as if they're on the
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: penalty kill. So what I mean by that is that,
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: you know, you get the puck and rather than skating
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: it down and trying to hold it in the other
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: team zone and score another goal or what have you,
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: they would get the puck and they just ice it
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: or they just you know, get to the red line
• 59:24
  Speaker 9: and dump it in and change and let the let
• 59:27
  Speaker 9: the next group come and defend. And that works for
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: maybe a few plays in a row, but it's not
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: going to work for a fifteen minute block of time
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: that you have to kill off the block. Like if
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: you're just letting the other team have speed through the
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: neutral zone, they're going to burn you every time. Then
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: they did burn them every time on those and so,
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: you know, I just kind of think it was a
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: lapse in system in this playoff series as well as
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: just you know, you're facing a really good team that
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: can really do good things, especially in this thro period.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Who was the Mammoth MVP this season? There was you know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Cooley was injured for an amount of time. Keller had
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: he led the team in points, and obviously he overcame
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: a lot personally, but who who's the team MVP if
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: you take the whole thing playoffs, regular season, et cetera
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: into consideration.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: That's a really good question. I'm kind of split between
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: Dylan Gunther and Nick schmall and I'll give a case
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 9: for each one.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 9: So, Dylan Gunter obviously scored forty goals this year. Not
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: every team has a forty goal scorer, Like, that's a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: lot of goals. He's also only what twenty three to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 9: twenty four years old right around there, so he still
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: got lost and loss left to learn and grow and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: get better. So you know, it's it's not unlikely that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: we see a fifty or sixty goal season from him eventually,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 9: and I think he had the capability to do that,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 9: and those those forty goals, a lot of them came
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: in really big moments. And if you don't have Dylan
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 9: gun theer, I don't think he makes the playoffs this year. Now,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: my case for Nick Schmaltz is, you know, like you mentioned,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: Logan Cooley goes down and Barrett Hayton also was you know,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: out of the lineup at one point this season as well.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: Those are the two top centers from last year and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: and all of a sudden Utah kind of needed somebody
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: to step up and fill the first line center role.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: And that's exactly what Nick Schmaltz did. Like in the NHL,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: to this point, Nick Schmaltz had barely played center. He
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: had always been a winger. And for those who might
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 9: not know, enner is a much more difficult position to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 9: play than wing, Like you have way more defensive responsibility.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: You're taking face off, you're doing all these all these
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: extra things. Plus you're you're playing a two hundred foot
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: game rather than you know, like you're you're playing from
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: one end of the boards to the other end of
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: the boards rather than just kind of your little section
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: of the ice that the wingers play. So a bigger responsibility,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: and Nick Schmaltz knocked it out of the park. Like
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: he you know, he looked like he was always the center,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 9: and he broke career highs, you know as a center,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: like he broke you know, all of his career hiding
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: goals and points and stuff. And then just the fact
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: that you know he was also on the ice defensively
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 9: in every defensive situation, like he kills penalties, you know,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: he is he's on the ice when they are trying
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: to defend the lead all that kind of stuff, and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: so I think, you know, like I said with Gunser,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: I don't think that you make the playoffs if Nick
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: sch Moltz in Ntinia lineups. And for that reason, I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: even put him on my Selkie ballot this year, which
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: is for the two way forward of the year, because
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 9: I just think he really deserves that. He's he's a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 9: threat at both ends of the ECE.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: I loved his season.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I echo everything that you just said, and you would
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: say a lot better than I. But also it felt
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: like he was there were certain games like he was
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: timely with his best games in a lot of times.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: And whether that carried over to the playoffs, I guess
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: can be debated. But you know, there was plenty of
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: regular season matchups, especially as you're coming down to the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: down the stretch in the final twenty games or so,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: and you gotta, you know, you got to make sure
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: that you're staying above certain teams or that you're chasing,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: you know, the right spot in those standings and in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: the wild card, and it felt like he was really
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: stepping up and he would have a big game in
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: those moments or if Keller was being quiet, or if
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Kooley was out, or if Gunther wasn't having a goal
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: scoring game, all of a sudden, it'd be Schmaltz that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: kind of stepped into that role.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: And I think that's just such an important thing for a.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Team to have, because you're always going to have your
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: top line stars, the guys that you know everyone in
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: the arena is wearing their sweater and those guys. Mammoth
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: have those guys, and it's nice to see them. But
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Schmaltz felt like he was the glue and the bridge
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: between when those guys were having great nights or were
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: feeling all the way healthy and when they weren't.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Does that make.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 9: Sense, Yeah, yeah, And I'd even extend it to the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 9: first line in the second line, And in this case,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 9: I'm referring to the first line as Smallt, Keller and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 9: Crouds and second line as Kooley Gunter and at this
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: point yet on the motto that when the first line
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: was not scoring, the second line was, and when the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: second line was not scoring, the first line was, and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: so they always had one line that was very productive
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 9: and for that reason they were very rarely out of games.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 9: And then every now and then they'd have both lines
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 9: scoring at the same time, and they'd put up seven
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 9: goals on an opponent and you know, not even have
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 9: a chance of losing the game. And you know, obviously
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: that's what you really want, is for both lines to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 9: be firing. But when you can have at least one
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: of those doing, you know, like scoring two or three
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: goals a game like that, that's, you know, a really
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 9: good recipe for success.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: It seemed like in the series against the Knights, the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: penalty kill got itself figured out and stepped up big
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: in a lot of moments, and then the power play
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: became a weakness and even gave up short handed goals.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: What happened to that particular specialty. What happened to the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: power play in the playoff series against the Knights?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I really think it was a case of really
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: good game planning by Vegas's coaching staff. You know, they
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 9: recognize that. Like I said, Dylan Gunter and Nick Maltz,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 9: thet'll be the theme of this interview. I guess that
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 9: those two guys scored just about fifty percent of Utah's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 9: power play goals this year, just between the two of them,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 9: and so they made sure that they covered number eight
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 9: and number eleven, and then everybody else was kind of
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 9: just there. But because everybody's just looking for Schmalt and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 9: gun the you know, they had no option to pass to.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 9: And you saw every time, you know, after the first
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: couple of games when Gumster burned them a couple of times,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 9: this is one timer. After that, they just kind of realized, like, oh,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: we cannot leave that guy open on the left wing
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 9: circle there, and so every time that he'd go to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: take a shot, there was somebody there to block it.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: And I don't know how many one timers he had blocked,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: but it was a bunch. And then Nick Schmalt's same thing.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 9: He stands right in the slot, like maybe four or
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: five feet in front of the goalie, and he stands
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: there and kind of screens the goalie, kind of tries
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: to tip pots. He you know, we'll get passes in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: the slot, and then just fire him straight in. And
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: he did that all regular season long, and he hardly
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 9: had a chance to do that during the playoffs. And
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: I think that was just because you know, the Golden
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: Knights recognized, okay, well, their power player operates through these
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: two guys. So if we always have a man glued
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: to each one of those guys, they're not going to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: be able to be as effective. And it worked. They
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: scored one power play goal I believe it was in
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: the first or second game one of those games, and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: after that they just didn't score a single one. I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: believe they were one for sixteen in the playoffs, maybe
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: one for fifteen something like that. But you know, that's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: that's really not a good number. Like a good number
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 9: is like twenty to thirty percent kind of thing, and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: they were at about seven percent something like that. So
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: you know, that's that's one of the things that you
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 9: can point to and say, hey, if they had been
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 9: a little bit better in this area, maybe they would
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 9: have won the series.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Rogan Houston is our guest here on the shuttle'connle shall
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: talk and Utah Mammoth post mortem after their season. He is,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: of course Mammoth insider over there for the Deserets Deseret Sports.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: There were a lot of.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Guys that the Mammoth kind of extended in these last
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: two seasons to lock up their core in the relative
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: long term, and it feels like all of those guys
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: are happy to be here excited to be here. Heading
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: into this offseason, there's you know, questions about a couple
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: of folks, and in the exit interviews what I've been
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: able to listen to so far, it seems like everybody
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: wants to be here. And I know that, you know,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: you express gratitude for the situation that you're in, but
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: it seems like there's an authentic desire for these players
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: to try to keep as much of this group together
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: as they can and to be part of this growth
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: moving forward for in my opinion, obvious reasons. Because they see, like,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: all right, second year here in Utah, we made the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: playoffs this year. Next year we can maybe win a
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: series or two. So with the guys whose futures are
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: kind of hanging up or or or hanging in the air,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: who is the priority? What does this Utah mammoth uh
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: general management and ownership need to do to improve this
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: team but also to keep some consistency.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I think the priority has already been accomplished,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: if if I can answer it that way, just that,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 9: I mean, Logan Cooley is on a new contract next
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: summer or next next season, so is Nix Months and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: and those two guys like going into the season, you know,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: it was it was no guarantee that they would sign
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 9: long term extensions, and and they got them done already.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: And so in that sense, like you know, you will
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 9: you will not lose Nick months in the summer. You
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: will not have an offer sheet given to Logan Cooley
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 9: this summer. And so I think in that sense, yeah,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 9: they've already They've already accomplished the big goal. So now
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: the players that are remaining that they need to sign
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: are I mean, I Pole, Alexander Kurfut, Barret Hayton is
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: a restricted free agent. So you know, you've got a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: little bit more leverage there as a team. V Tech Vanachek,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: Nick de Simone. You know, these are all kind of
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: depth players rather than your your key, you know, core
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: players that are scoring every night for you. And so
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: in that sense, like you know, they may or may
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: not choose to bring back some of those guys or
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 9: all of those guys, like you know, they they could
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: let all of them walk and just kind of find
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: replacement players in free agency that will do more or
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 9: less the same thing those guys do. Not to say
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 9: that any of them are less important than you know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 9: those those players that they could replace him with. But
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: just that you know, those are those are death roles
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: that a lot of guys can fail, and so we'll
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: see what they do. I wouldn't be surprised to see
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 9: any of those guys come back, but I don't think
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: it's a dire need necessarily for them. Like I don't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: think they'll fail in the offseason if they if they
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 9: don't bring back in goal or if they don't bring
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: back Alexander Kurt But like, if if those guys are out,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 9: then somebody else can step into those spots and probably
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: do a similar job.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: You mentioned v Tech Banacheck, and he just he just
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: wasn't very good in a backup goaltender role, and I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: think Vetchy excuse me, probably played maybe just to touch
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: more than would be ideal in that situation. So is
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: that a place that this team will potentially make a
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: change their second goaltender.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: I would have to think so. But also I was
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: just looking at the market of unrestricted free agents in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 9: goaltending this year, and there's not a ton out there
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 9: that you can go and get. And so maybe you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 9: do bring back Banichick because he's probably honestly one of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 9: the best options on the free agency market, but like
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 9: you said, it just didn't work out here for whatever reason.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: You know, he a backup goal usually played a lot
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: more games than he did, and I don't think that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: like based on how he played, I don't think they
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: out they could rely on him in big games to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: get big wins for them. Lots of the games that
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: they played him like they were kind of these giveaway
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 9: games of like, oh, we're not going to beat that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: team anyway, or or oh it's a back to back,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 9: let's let's, you know, give him the team that we
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 9: don't think we're going to beat so that we can
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: make sure that we get the game that we can win.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: And so I think in that regard, you know, you
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 9: you don't necessarily want to bring that back that specific player,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 9: but who out there is going to be a better option.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: And that's kind of the question that I have. You know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 9: maybe it's a trade, maybe it's a free agent signing,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: but you know, you've got to think that they would
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: at least try to figure something out.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: Is Bear Turney safe?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: I think so, you know, that might be a question
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 9: that comes up that at IXAID interviews today. We've got
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 9: we've got Turney as well as Bill and Chris arm Trungbull,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: So we'll see if they say anything on that. That's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: the report earlier in the season was that at one
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: point the Mammoths were quite close to replacing Attorney in
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 9: the coaching position and that Pete de Bora was going
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: to be the guy that came in. I don't know
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 9: how close that got, but that was a report for
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 9: Elliott Friedman, who is like the insider of all insiders
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: in the hockey world. He's he never is wrong, basically,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: so I do believe that, you know, what he says
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 9: is probably true and and at some point in this
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: season that was probably what was about to happen. And
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: then you know, the Mammoths kind of turned it around
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: and obviously got to the playoffs. And so, you know,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: the the battle in my head with this one is, Okay, well,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: you know, he's the coach that got you there, so
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: you give him a little bit of run right right,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: Like you say, oh, you got us here, Let's see
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: how far into the playoffs now you can get us.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: The other half of that is all of his winning
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 9: that he's ever done is in international tournaments, which are
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 9: always you know, ten games or last kind of thing.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 9: So he's never really had like a full, a full
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 9: playoff experience that he's won, even in the junior leagues
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: that he coached in before this, like he had a
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 9: few playoff runds, but he never won any championships. And
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: I think it was fourteen years in the in the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: junior leagues, never won a championship. And so we'll see
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: if he's the coach that can get you over the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 9: hump or if he's just kind of this development coach
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: that you know, helps you out through the rebuild and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: then you go and get somebody else. I believe he
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: still has one more year on his contract, so maybe
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: that factors into it as well. And I certainly wouldn't
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: be surprised to see him back. I think he's done
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: a great job. But you know, we'll have to see,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: Like there's just so many factors that play into.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: It as we head into an offseason now, and the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: draft lottery is.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: That tonight, yes to night. Yeah.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: So by the way, man don't have draft lottery odds,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: but they do have some capital. They could potentially move
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: up into a situation where they you know, they find
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: a partner who works out well in the draft lottery,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: and they've got a nice little pipeline. We've talked about
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: some of these players, the Agintla's and the Dano Yets,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: and some of those individuals Simashevin boot were both given a,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: you know a little bit of a run with the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: big club this year. Any of those young guys you
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: think become a staple on the Mammoth roster for next season.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: I think the closest one is definitely Dimitri Simachev. He
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: played maybe thirty games this year roughly still played you know,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: obviously limited minutes and everything, but he played well in
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: those games that he did play. Now he is still
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 9: trying to find his game offensively in the NHL. And
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: when he was playing in the minors this year, he
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: did have good offense, so he is capable of it.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 9: But you know, if he wants to be a number
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: one or a number two defenseman in the NHL, like you,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: you simply don't play that role if you if you
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: can't score kind of fifty to sixty points per season
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 9: at a minimum. And so we'll see if he can
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: add that aspect to his game at the NHL level.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: But again, he's young. I think he's twenty eight years
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: old right now, so maybe twenty one, so you know,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: he's still got a lot of time to figure that
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 9: part of it out. But I do think he deserves
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 9: to be in the NHL, probably next season, and I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: think he has value that he can provide. I think
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 9: Daniel boot could get there as well, but I wouldn't
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 9: be surprised to see him play, you know, maybe fifty
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 9: games here and thirty games in the AHL something like that. Like,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: I still don't think he's quite a full time NHL player,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 9: but he still is showing good potential to get there.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: And then in terms of all the players that are
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: playing in the Canadian Hockey League right now, that's Tiji
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: Gemla and Caleb dano A and Cole Baldwin. The three
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 9: of them are all eligible to go to the American
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 9: Hockey League next year, and I think that they'll probably
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: go there just based off of how they all dominated
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 9: this year in their respective Canadian Hockey League leagues. But
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: you know, we'll see. And those guys all have the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: potential to play in the Memorial Cup this year as well,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: which if if anybody's not familiar with the more Memorial Cup,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: it's kind of like the National Championship in the NCAA,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: but the Canadian equivalent of that. That's kind of the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: magnitude of it. And they say it's the hardest trophy
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: and hockey to win, Like a lot of people say
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 9: it's harder to win than the Stanley Cup because you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 9: have to win your own league trophy and then you
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 9: essentially go to this like champion league format after that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 9: and go and compete for this trophy. And so Tijigammas
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 9: in Cobo Dwan and Kal Danoa and Gabe Smith, if
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 9: their teams all win their leagues, then they'll also be
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 9: in it. And they're all very close, like they're all
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 9: in the in the finals right now, and dano Aa
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 9: actually plays tonight for Game seven of his conference final championship.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: So you know, those guys, you know, we'll have a
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: good chance to develop and get some of these hard
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: games under their belt, and you know, maybe they're better
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: off for it next season when I think they would
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: be playing in the AHL.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: So now that.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: The Stanley Cup playoffs move on without us, without the Mammoth,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: you got Wild Avalanche Game two tonight. The Vegas Golden
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Knights stole Game one against the Ducks.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: How do you handicap those second round series?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: Well, man, I think both of these games were close
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 9: in in very different ways. You know, Anaheim in Vegas
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 9: was with the tight game. It was a two to
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 9: one game plus an empty netter ray that's obviously very tight.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: And my understanding is that had a couple of called
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: gun the other way, you know, the Ducks probably would
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: have won that game. So that one, you know, I
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: don't think you can quite handicap it yet, Like I
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 9: think both teams are right there, the wild and the Avalanche.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: They had the opposite end of the spectrum. It was
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 9: nine to six, Like that's a when do you ever
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 9: see that in the Stanley Cup playoffs? A nine to
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 9: six game, especially between two teams that are heralded to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 9: have some of the best defense in the entire league,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 9: you know, And so yeah, well we'll see how that
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: one goes. But but you know, it was it was
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: kind of a back and forth effort, like Colorado would
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: take a multiple lead and then Minnesota would come back
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: and tie it up, and then the same thing would
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: happen over again, and by the end it was ninety six.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 9: But you know, if if Minnesota can get a few
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: of their injured players back, like Joelle Ericsonachis is probably
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 9: the prime example, and if he can come back during
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 9: the series, I think they have a lot better of
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 9: a chance. But you know, if I'm a betting man,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 9: I'd still probably put my money on on Cale mccarr
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: and the Colorado Avalanche at this point.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: I don't expect you to have any special insight on this,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: but I'm asking everyone in the hockey world because I
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: think it's fascinating the way that, you know, Connor McDavid
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: played hurt through this series. After this year their season
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: was over, he talked about kind of lamented, you know,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: the fact that they've been average all year, and I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: think did a lot of conversation about how they don't
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: have enough around him and maybe a groundswell of support
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: that he needs to get out of Edmonton.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: Does he stay with the Oilers for one more year?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 9: Well, he's still got two years left on his contract,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 9: and he signed a two year contract earlier this season,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 9: so he intentionally made it so that he would stay
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 9: for next season and the one after that. So for
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: that reason, I think he's probably going to give them,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: you know, those those two years that he committed to.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: But then after that, I think that's where it kind
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: of becomes like, Okay, hey, I gave you the prime
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: of my career. Now I got to go and do
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: what's best for me. And so we'll see, we'll see
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: what that means. We'll see if that it is what happens.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 9: But the fact that he signs the two year extension
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: this season, I do think that means that he will
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 9: probably come back and he'll probably stick it out. And
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: if they trade them. If they trade him, I think
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: it will be because they want to get something back
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 9: for him so that they can restock the cupboards, rather
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 9: than him asking for a trade. And like you said,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: I don't have any inside information on what connovment dated
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 9: is thinking, but that's kind of the way that I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 9: think of the situation that you've been No.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense on both fronts, and that it
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: feels like that would be a wildly unpopular decision for
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: ownership up there in Edmonton if they decided to trade
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: away the generational talent that they've got on the team.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: But I also understand why you'd want to do it.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 9: True, that's true, But at the same time, they traded
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 9: away Winne Gretzky in the eighties and they went and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 9: won the Stanley Cup the next year or a couple
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: of years after rather, so you know they've done it before,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 9: not necessarily, like it wasn't necessarily the pieces that they
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: got back for Wayne Gretzky that helped them win the Cup.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: But you know, the team does kind of have that
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: history of, hey, we have the greatest player of our generation.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: Trade them away, we can still be a good team.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: We'll see. Like you said that, the Orders probably don't
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 9: necessarily have the death around Connor McDavid to win without him,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: but you know there is a little bit of a
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 9: precedent for there.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: Brogain, appreciate your time, Enjoy the rest of the Exit
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: in reviews today. We'll pick your brain about those at
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: some point, I'm sure as well.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: Thank you sounds good.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Broken Houston DEAs News Mammoth Insider, and Yes, Coach Bear
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• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: really great about kind of giving you some access to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: the big picture plan for this team. Now that you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: know they've crossed off that first item on the list,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: making it to the playoffs, everyone will tell you that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: it's harder and harder to advance, and that you know
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: it's probably harder to advance in the playoffs than it
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: is just to make it to the playoffs. Broken made
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: the correct point that the most important pieces on this team,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: the actual core of this team, is all locked up
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: to long term contract extensions. The accessory pieces, though, might
• 1:22:08
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• 1:22:11
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• 1:22:15
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  Speaker 3: to sound pretentious, but here's something that is unavoidable. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to Wimbledon this year. You guys going to Wimbledon
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  Speaker 3: bucket list, very excited to do it, have never been.
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  Speaker 5: Incredibly pumped.
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  Speaker 3: You won't be listening anyway, because it's fourth of July
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  Speaker 3: weekend when I'm gone, so you'll be out on a
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  Speaker 3: boat somewhere, hopefully being very safe and cautious with your fireworks.
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  Speaker 3: But trouble may be a bruin, at least on the
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  Speaker 3: women's side of professional tennis, Coco goff Arina Sablenka, some
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  Speaker 3: of the top players in the world right now are
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  Speaker 3: threatening a boycott of the Grand Slam events, which of
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  Speaker 3: course would not be good for the top end of
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: all tennis tournaments in the world. By the way, Arena
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  Speaker 3: Sablanca right now is the number one ranked women's player
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: in the world, and she has started to organize support
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  Speaker 3: for a potential boycott if tennis players don't starting receiving
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  Speaker 3: a larger share of tournament revenues at the Grand Slams.
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  Speaker 3: On the men's side, number one Yanick Sinner, including other
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  Speaker 3: top ten players, issued a statement saying there's deep disappointment
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  Speaker 3: over the French Open prize money.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the quote.
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  Speaker 3: Without us, there wouldn't be a tournament and there wouldn't
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: be that entertainment. I feel like, definitely we deserve to
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  Speaker 3: get paid more percentage. That's a four time Grand Slam champion,
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  Speaker 3: and she said that at the Italian Open, Arena Sablanca
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: said that at the Italian Open. I think at some
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  Speaker 3: point we will boycott it. I feel like that's going
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: to be the only way to fight for our rights.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: He's twenty eight years old. They're looking for better representation,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: health options, pensions from the four Grand Slam tournaments. That's
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon and the US Open.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: If you were going to try to get the maximum
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: amount of leverage, the maximum amount of attention, the maximum
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: amount of support from the fan base to be sympathetic
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: to your plight, which of the Grand Slam tournaments, James,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: would you boycott in order to make the biggest splash
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: in pro tennis?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: The French or Wimbledon? Is or are you saying out
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: of all four? Well, of all four, yeah, I mean
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: the one the one that I think around here anyway
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: that would have the least damaging to the to the
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: product of Grand Slam tennis would be in all due respect,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: is boycotting the Australian Open.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: But that one's already passed this year.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 6: That's just that's the least prestigious, at least at least
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: around here and maybe maybe in Australia. They they it's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: the opposite or that part of the world, it's it's
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: the opposite. Like US Open might be the least prestigious,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: but around here it's because we're in America. US Open
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: is is one of the three prestigious. And then it's
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 6: then it's Australia. So I mean from that standpoint, probably Australia.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: But for getting the most attention to their cause here,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: it's the French or Wimbledon.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: If you boycott Wimbledon when there's not a ton of
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: other sports going on in the summer, I mean, that
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: becomes the biggest story of the summer.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, people are, people will notice.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: And the French I would say that for French Open too,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: both of those French there's a little bit more going
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: on because that's what that's this month, right, that's coming
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: up a few weeks. Maybe maybe if it's not this month,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 6: it's next month, but that's got a lot of prestige
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: to it. Wimbledon is the one to do it if
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: you're if you're looking at the most attention, and for
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: this kind of thing, attention is the currency you're you're
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: trying to send a message in the way to send
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: the bet for your message to the Land. The hardest
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 6: is for it to be for you to boycott the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: biggest tournament on the schedule.
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  Speaker 3: May eighteenth through June seventh is the French Open, Okay, yeah,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: two weeks away.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then Wimbledon is three weeks after that. So yikes,
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  Speaker 6: I do I do wonder. I always wonder with this,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: what kind of damage to your career? And this is
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: the risk, this is the risk you have to be
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: willing to take. But what kind of damage to your career?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: Does?
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: Does boycotting a major tournament a major event in any
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: sport the whole season? Sometimes going on strike? Is is
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: that worth what you're fighting for? And of course if
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 6: you're making that decision, you're saying, yes, it is worth
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 6: what we're fighting for, Like we're fighting for our livelihoods here.
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  Speaker 5: We want, we want the.
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  Speaker 6: Revenue that we feel we've earned, we feel we have
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  Speaker 6: a right to. I just I don't know in the
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  Speaker 6: long run, are you going to are you going to
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: be like man? I probably would have. I'm things may
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: have been a lot different, been a lot better for
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: me if I had just kept playing.
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  Speaker 3: It's a valid question. It's an important question. And here's
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: on the surface level. Here is because I've been involved
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: in a little bit of this with a revenue a
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: share of revenue dispute. In the MMA world, the UFC
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: pays about eleven to fifteen percent of their total revenue
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: goes to the fighters. Now, we know in team leagues,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: in collectively bargain situations, it's more of a fifty fifth
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: split in the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NBA, the NHL,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: et cetera. Right, and the the athletes are compensated accordingly.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: And we've seen some of what those numbers look like now,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: especially in baseball and in the NBA. It's just like
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Holy cow, one you become a star and then one
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: season of your big contract is enough for you to
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: live on for the rest of your life. These tennis
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: players are not in that realm. But the French Open,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: which is coming up at Rolling at Roland Garros, the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: revenue share right now is projected to be fourteen point
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: nine percent of the total revenue is paid out in
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: prize money, and the French Open organizers announced last month
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: they were increasing overall prize money by ten percent, so
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: seventy two million dollars basically will be handed out to
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: all the players, which is up about five some five
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: and a half seven and a half million dollars from
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: last year. But the players are like, yeah, yeah, but
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: your revenue has gone up faster than your raises have
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: gone up, so our revenue share has actually gone down
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: the problem with leverage for these mega players is that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: unless the French Open is just like, okay, well, if
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: I don't have Coco Golf and Yanick Cinner, I'm not playing, like,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: we're just not going to conduct the tournament. If they
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: boycott this tournament, it just means that someone further down
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: the rankings who absolutely cannot afford to boycott any of
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: these major tournaments, who's never won them before, who's not
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: a household name, then that person wins the tournament and
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: collects the prize money, and it actually works out better
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: for the rank and file tennis player. This is where
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: golf and tennis and auto racing and MMA and some
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: of these are a lot lot different than team sports,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: because when Steph Curry and Lebron James and Shake Gildess
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: Alexander are like, hey, we're boycotting, We're not playing, their
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: whole team is not playing. If Yonick Center doesn't show
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: up and I'm the eightieth ranked player in the world.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hell, yes, dude, I have a shot to
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: win this thing now. So all these men ranked in
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: the top ten, all these women ranked in the top ten,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: the ones who have the leverage you have the power
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: to say, Hey, your tournament is a lot less appealing
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: if I'm not there, So I'm going to boycott. Yeah,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: that is a motivator for the tournament to look at
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: its policies, for these Grand Slams to look at and say, Okay,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: how badly do we need these players? But that's the
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: question they're going to ask, not hey, can we still
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: conduct a tournament? The question is going to be how
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: badly do we need Arena Sablenka. Individual sports, you have
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: so much less leverage to create to foment like true
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: rebellion and change. I mean it took until Muhammad Ali
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: literally in boxing. It was boxing was just like so
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: heavily in favor of promoters all through its history, and
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: it was a long standing sport. I mean, boxing has
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: been done for hundreds and hundreds of years, and up
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: to that point had been done at a very high
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: and a very lucrative level for a long time. It
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: literally took until Muhammad Ali was like, no, you know what,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: I need transparency, I need revenue share to be favored,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: to favor favorable to fighters. It became a political Ali
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: Act became a thing. It took until Muhammad Ali, who
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: was a transcendent personality, until boxing actually was kind of
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: forced to make some changes and to allow boxers to
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: have a little bit more power. This is like, I
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: don't know if any of these individuals, even as great
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: as they are, the number one ranked players in the world,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: are going to be at the end of this more
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: powerful than the Grand Slam tournaments themselves.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: Eightieth ranks men's player in the world. You want to know,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: the Italian Matia Balucci.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if I'm Matia Balucci, I'm just like, you're
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: telling me that Janick Sooner.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: Is not going to be there, the Italian Stallion.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: You tell me that that Spanish kid's not going to
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: be there. The top ten are just lopping themselves off
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: the field.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: And to your point about individual sports not having the
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: same leverage because you don't have the same unity, right, Yeah,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: it's not the same incentive structure for everybody.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: It isn't in team sports either. For individual players.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: But because you're a team, you kind of have to
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: go in and go out as a team, right, and
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: they do. The big players are incentivized to help the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: rank and file a little bit negotiations. It's not that
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: way with with individual sports. The example of how of
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: what it took for the for golf, for PGA Tour
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: members to get more prize money was they had was
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman and a bunch of and
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: a bunch of guys, a bunch of top players in
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: the world. It took them creating and the Saudi rab
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: the Saudis took It took them creating a whole rival
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: golf league and giving them hundreds of millions of dollars
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: of guaranteed money for the PGA to be like, oh,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: we should increase our prize money.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: We need to increase our prize money.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: That's probably not gonna happen in tennis, because I mean
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 6: it that live golf has not been successful. I don't
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: imagine these tennis players and be like, you know what,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 6: let's try what they did. They'd make more, They might
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: make more money in the short term, but their careers
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: wouldn't be better.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: That's not gonna happen in tennis. So but that's the
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: kind of.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: Thing that it probably takes for in these individual sports
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: for this kind of change to happen.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: And I to your point, I'm.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: Not sure that there's enough players that are going to
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: be that are going to be like, yeah, we'll follow you,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: world leaders in our sport, world ranking leaders in our sport.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: We'll follow you and not play this great tournament instead
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 6: of me getting an easier chance to win one of
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: the most prestigious titles in sports.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think that's happening.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: And you're like, Okay, there's seventy two million dollars in
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: prize money being handed out at the French Open and
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: then slightly more than that at Wimbledon in effectively a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: one month span, and the top players are all going
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: to leave, And I'm whatever, it's if you're the top
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: twenty five players are all boycotting, or the top fifty
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: players are all by boycotting, and I'm number twenty six
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: or I'm number fifty one, I'm like, man, do I
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: jump on with them and believe in my own ability
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: to climb the rankings further? And then I'll be with them,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: and I will I'll suffer through these you know, lean
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: times in order to have a greater payout on the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: other side, or do I cross the labor line?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: Am I a scab in this tournament?
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: And do I get the biggest payday of my career
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: in an easier field. I mean, it's like, I know
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: that in principle it's better to do the first thing,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: but the reality of a situation is and this is
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: the problem that we've had in combat sports. Right If
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: Ronda Rousey and Connor McGregor are just like in John Jones,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: this is what John Jones has done. It's like, I'm
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: not fighting for you unless you give me forty million bucks.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: He's the best that's ever done it.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: And you know what the response was, Okay, we'll bring
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: up the next one and that guy will fight for
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: one million dollars and our profit margin will stay as
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: robust as it has always been. Right now, By the way,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: the Professional Tennis Players Association, the PTPA, is seven years old,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: so it's not exactly a powerful body. Right now, the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: official union for tennis players is the Association of Tennis
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: Professionals the ATP. The ATP represents guess who players and tournaments.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: It's like the NFL and the NFLPA being in the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: same building.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, they're called the ATP World Rankings, so
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: they're kind of the they're kind of management and in
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: the union.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: They represent both sides of the arguments.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: So what's what's good for what's good for the tournaments
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: is good for the ATP.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: Also what's good for the players is good for the ATP.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: So the ATP has interested in being like, well, let's
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: get everyone to the same table, and we want to
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: make everyone feel happy. But it's not automatic for them
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: to be fighting for the best interest of the players
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: in this case, and that's why a boycott is being threatened.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I to be clear, I'm I hope
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: that if they do decide to boycott, that it is
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 6: effective because, I mean, everybody, there's more money to go
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 6: around for everybody than than than generally what gets led
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: on by a lot of management, right, and I want
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 6: that to be spread around. But I just I question
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 6: how My question is how effective is that going to be?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: And are they going to regret it because of their
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: careers They're gonna regret that that move for the what
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: it did to their careers. Later and I don't know.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: I hope this works for the players.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: I'm very pro player in this regard, but because fifteen
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: percent of a tournament's revenue going to the athletes that
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: are the absolute showpiece of the tournament not nearly enough.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: It should be closer to a I mean, in my
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: bare minimum for me would be like a sixty forty
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: split seventy thirty. I could probably if it, you know,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: puts you in a ten million dollars range for winning
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. But like fifteen percent of the UFC
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: money going to the fighters, fifteen percent of the French
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: Open money going to the players, fifteen percent of the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: Wimbledon money going to the players.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: Is embarrassingly low. It's terrible.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: You're telling me that the owners of those clubs and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: the organizers of those events deserve eighty five percent of
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: the revenue. We don't tune in to watch them. Actually,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: this was just released yesterday. The there's a guy named
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: Ari Emmanuel who's the CEO of TKO Holdings, which is
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: the parent company that owns the UFC and the WWE
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: and stuff. The tax filings were released and his salary
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: was reported. He made sixty seven million dollars when there's
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: fighters literally competing for ten thousand dollars and he made
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: sixty seven million to be the boss. Who doesn't I mean,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: I get it right. It's an apples and oranges comparison.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: To be the leadership of a mega company and to
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: be wildly profitable, you should be compensated handsomely. But if
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: your sixty seven million dollar paycheck is coming from the
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: eighty five percent split that you're keeping away from the athletes,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: that's criminal. And if that's the case with these tennis
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: tours and these tennis tournaments, yuck. That's your daily dump.
• 1:42:37
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  Speaker 3: f them, and we are happy to welcome Stormy Van
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  Speaker 3: and Tony Uh. You have seen her on the NHL Playoffs,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: you see her on the sidelines during college football, and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: hopefully we'll see her sooner than later again here in
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  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, although I guess it would be in
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: college football now that the Utah Mammoth are out.
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  Speaker 4: Stormy, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 5: How are you.
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  Speaker 11: I'm great, Thank you so much for having me. And yes,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 11: I've spent a good amount of time in Salt Lake
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 11: for football, but a good amount this past first round
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 11: watching the Mammoth, which is a black Thanks for having me, so.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about that obviously.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: You know, we unfortunately have to move on to the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: second round of the Mammoth or not part of that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: second round.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: Your hometown Las.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Vegas Golden Knights were able to knock out a fresh
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: Mammoth team their first foray into the playoffs, but I
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: just wanted to get your sense of not only the
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: team and its competitiveness in that first playoff run, but
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: I think from a larger scale where they belong now
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: already in the NHL. You hear players and coaches and
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: pundits around the league talking about, you know, the way
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: that this team has already developed a reputation for treating
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: its players. Well, maybe Salt Lake can actually be a
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: destination in hockey the way that we've struggled to be
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: in NBA basketball. And you get to talk to more
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: people than I do, so your sense of what the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: Mammoth can grow into with this good start.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, I think there's a lot of excitement, rightfully so
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 11: about what Utah has been able to do just in
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 11: its second year out there in Salt Lake. And I
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 11: think last season there was a lot of figuring out
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 11: what are We didn't even have a name, And now
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 11: you are in a position where it wasn't a question
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 11: of if this team was going to make the playoffs,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 11: but how they were going to get there, because there
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 11: was such a firm belief they were going to get
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 11: to that point. And we're very competitive with Vegas I honestly,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 11: I feel for the Mammoth and I feel for Maymoth bands,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 11: knowing that the first five games of that series they
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 11: had third period leads and then still found themselves down
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 11: three games to two and on the break of elimination,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 11: and even when kyler Yavamona scored that goal in the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 11: third period, you think, okay, there's life. We got a
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 11: game here. And then obviously things fell to the wayside
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 11: and Vegas closed out the job. But what Utah has
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 11: in terms of the blend of youth experience to do
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 11: what Montreal is doing right now. They're the youngest even
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 11: the playoffs, but Utah was the second youngest team in
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 11: the postseason, and there is so much to build on.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, the way that we saw Clayton Keller becomes
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 11: such a leader and drive the bus for this team,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 11: Logan Cooley, Dylan Gunster in the shot that he has,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 11: but mixed with some of that better leadership and guys
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 11: who have Cup experience, I think it's a really fun
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 11: blend that you guys have and a fan base that
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 11: is really excited about that team and organizational feel as
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 11: a whole. As you said, like what Ryan Smith has
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 11: done to keep fans engaged in trying to get new fans.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 11: What he was doing in his owners suite on Twitter
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 11: to saying hey, hit me up if you haven't been
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 11: to a game. Like prioritizing people that hadn't been there
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 11: so that they could fall in love with the team
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 11: in the sport I thought was really special.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty cool you did allude to.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: I think one of the most heartbreaking things about the
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: series for Mammoth fans in that they there were those
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: blown leads and you felt like, not only hey, we're
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs, we're just happy.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: To be here.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: It's like this is a series that they could have won,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: and they played their way into leading positions and should
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: have been able to close it out potentially. But what
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: was missing and what caused them to give up those leads?
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: Is it just a simple Hey, you don't have playoff
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: experience and the Knights are built for this, they've been
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: here before. Because I know that, we get like it
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: can become cliche like all you got to grow into
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: this or you gotta you gotta be there first and
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: the next year is the time that you'll actually win it.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: The Knights are a good example of how it doesn't
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: have to be that way with all the all the
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: success they had when they were a brand new expansion franchise.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: But when you watched this series so closely, what was
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: the missing piece for the mammoth.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: In your mind?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 6: Sure?
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 11: And I'll say for Vegas, like, there's the exception not
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 11: the rules right. What they were able to do and
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 11: hear one as an expansion franchise and go all the
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 11: way to the Stanley Cup Final is absurd and ridiculous
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 11: and fans across the country have but mattavs Ever sits
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 11: for it. It has gone away. But with u Jah,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 11: I think maybe there is an element of that and
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 11: I did it appreciate Andre Tourney kind of repeatedly throughout
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 11: the series, challenging that youth birth experience narrative to an
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 11: extent and saying how even some of the young guys
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 11: on this roster have played in pivotal games in different
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 11: areas of their careers, just not the NHL postseason specifically.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 11: That said, it did feel like Vegas had a bit
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 11: of a killer instinct in their game in the third
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 11: period and in overtime and drawing Utah into some of
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 11: those undisciplined penalties With some of those younger pieces, it
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 11: felt like there was, like to me, at least a
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 11: comfort in the uncomfortable for Vegas, whereas Utah in a
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 11: lot of those moments did in my opinion, like I
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 11: just perceived them to potentially be learning a little bit.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 11: And maybe that's inaccurate. Maybe it was just bounces down
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 11: Vegas more than Utah, but to me, I do think
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 11: that that experience played a role. But now the good
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 11: news is they they have done right and they were
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 11: able to gain that experience this postseason and can learn
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 11: for it and put it into action next year.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: You can't decide if I like the developing rivalry for
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: Vegas enough to say I don't want to see the
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: Golden Knights succeed moving forward, or if it's like, hey,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: they're the team that knocked you out, now I want
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: to see them like that means something.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: Let them make a run to the Cup again.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: And they sneak out to a one game lead so
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: far in the second round series over the Ducks, while
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: Bill Carlson is back. When you look at what this
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: Golden Knights team is capable of moving forward after beating
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: the Mammoth, what is their ceiling in these playoffs.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I was on the broadcast last night, and
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 11: I know Vegas was not particularly pleased with their game
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 11: in that Game one, yet they were stillingful to come
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 11: out with a win, And I just talked about the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 11: experience and the confidence they have in late game moments
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 11: that showed again last night for them to pull away
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 11: and get that win in the third period. They've been
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 11: masterful in third periods all season long, but to do
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 11: it in the postseason the way they have, I think
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 11: shows exactly what we're talking about here. My gun, like ESPN,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 11: has us make our picks for each year going into
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 11: each one, and I did pick Vegas to win the
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 11: series in six. I think they advanced to the Western
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 11: Conference Final, but the road probably ends there. Knowing what
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 11: Colorado or the Minnesota Wild have on the other side,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 11: I think is just a little bit of a different
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 11: level than where Vegas is at this season. So to me,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 11: their peak this year is Western Conference Final. I would
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 11: love to be proven wrong, especially, like you mentioned earlier,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 11: living in this city and I know how fun Vegas
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 11: can be when the Golden Knights are good and at
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 11: a high level. That said, to go back to your
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 11: point about the rivalry. I would love for this to
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 11: be something that grows over the years, especially because of
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 11: the footprint right and that Utah used to be in
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 11: the Vegas TV market before this team ultimately came to town.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 11: And like what Ryan Smith did with trading in the
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 11: Golden Knights jerseys for Mammos jerseys, and my first job
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 11: in hockey was with the Golden Knights, and I remember
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 11: vividly like the VGK road trips that they would do
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 11: every summer in the off season, going to Salt Lake
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 11: City and going to like Wyoming and Montana and all
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 11: these different places to become kind of that second team
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 11: in the Rocky Mountain region outside of Colorado, and Utah
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 11: was a big part of that footprint. And so to know,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 11: like you guys kind of stole a little bit of
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 11: that footprint and are young and up and coming and
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 11: a rock solid playoffs team in the future playing in
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 11: the Pacific Division. I would love to see what this
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 11: can grow into over the years.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: Stormy Bond and Tony's our guest here on the Sean
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: O'Connell show, ESPN College Football and NHL Reporter. She's got
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: her own show on Serious XM on vsin network. It
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: feels like with the USA Gold medal, and obviously here
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City, like we become our own bubble
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: and our own little echo chamber. And I'm like, this
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: is this is a real moment for hockey in the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: United States of America because you got the gold and
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: the league is growing, and these NHL playoffs have been
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: incredible that everyone seems like is watching. The reality of
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: the NHL is they have been a relatively distant fourth
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: place in the major sports. But it's just now that
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: we have our own team, I find myself being like,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: let's fix that. This is way better than NBA playoffs.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: This is second to only football. Do you still view
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: the NHL and professional hockey as a growth sport in
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: the grand scheme of things in the United States?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 11: I think that the ratings will tell you that story, right,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 11: And I think hockey at its core because of the
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 11: difficulty to get involved in it and how expensive a
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 11: report it is, for equipment, for travel, for all of
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 11: those things, it makes it a little bit more difficult
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 11: at the grassroots level to have the expansiveness that a
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 11: sport like basketball, for example, does, where you can just
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 11: pick up a ball and they'll play pick up at
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 11: a hoop. Anywhere you have to have ice, you have
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 11: to have equipment, you have to have different things to
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 11: get you involved. And I think that's at least part
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 11: of why hockey has been on that tier, because it's
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 11: just it's one of those sports that the access to
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 11: it is more difficult at a younger level. I think
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 11: organizations like Vegas, like Utah specifically getting people and young
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 11: people into a sport that maybe they weren't familiarized, can
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 11: change and grow that. So yes, I do view it
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 11: still as a growth sport big picture nationwide. However, you
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 11: mentioned it, it is growing, and the television ratings that
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 11: we're seeing this year from the first round of the
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 11: playoffs and entering the second or the highest that they
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 11: have ever been. They're setting records. It's kind of in
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 11: my mind, catapulted with four nations a year ago and
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 11: seeing the US Canada go at it, and then obviously
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 11: as you reference the Olympics this year and what that
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 11: continued to build into. I think that this sport can
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 11: and should become bigger and bigger and bigger because there's
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 11: nothing like it.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: Like I.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 11: Say this all the time, and I've covered every sport
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 11: across the book. There is no better live event experience
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 11: in forced than live hockey. It is just different. And
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 11: so I think another part of our goal as television
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 11: broadcasters is trying to make that more consumable on TV
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 11: because it is a more difficult watch, I think on
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 11: television as well, just because the puckets ball, you know,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 11: and when you're in person you see the physicality, you
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 11: see the technical detail that it takes to skate and
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 11: set up things that the way that they do, it's amazing.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 11: I love this sport so much, and it would make
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 11: it would nothing would make me happier to see this become,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 11: like become bigger than the NBA. I don't know if
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 11: that'll happen, but that's my greed.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: I also, and I don't know if it matters to
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: other people, it matters a lot to me, like growing
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: into technical proficiency and learning more about the sport and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: understanding more and more of what you see. It's a
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: heck of a lot easier in hockey to get on
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: board with it because of for me, the athletes, as
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: far as professional athletes go, hockey guys are like the coolest,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: the most laid back, seemingly as passionate or more passionate
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: about their sport than any other professional athlete. Is they
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: play hurt more than everyone does. You don't get conversations
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: about load management. You don't talk about like, oh yeah,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: I don't want to play in the Winter Classic, I
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: don't want to play in the Olympics. I don't want
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: to play in the Four Nations because I need to
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: focus on my NHL career what actually matters my paycheck.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: Just the culture of hockey is so refreshing, given how
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: even our college sports now have become more and more
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: and more about money and business coming conversations.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 11: No question about it. There is a toughness to the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 11: NHL that I appreciate so much. I mean, look at
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 11: even the Edmonton Oilers who just got knocked out of
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 11: the first round by Anaheim and Connor McDavid. He was
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 11: visibly her he's playing through a fractured ankle. I have
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 11: seen players behind the scenes who are on like a
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 11: rollie thing for an injury, like those little scooters you know, yes,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 11: aren't that They aren't walking day to day around the
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 11: facility or anything like that, yet strap on a skate
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 11: and go block shots in an nhl' Stanley Cup playoff game.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 11: There is. It's ridiculous and so yeah, like you know
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 11: when you're going to an NHL game that if a
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 11: guy can play, he's gonna play. You don't have to
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 11: worry about that. And just another reason, like you said
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 11: to to fall in love with this sport, it is
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 11: these dudes are different, and I'm it makes me excited about,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 11: for example, the Kachuck Brothers podcast wing Men that come
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 11: out so that people can start to see some of
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 11: these athletes personality a little bit more. Hockey is definitely
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 11: a more team and we over eye type of a sport,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 11: and at times they can get into the cliche answers
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 11: and just wanting to say the right thing. And I
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 11: think if some of these athletes would let you in
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 11: a little bit more and see their personality, because there's
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 11: some of the funnest and coolest dudes out there too,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 11: they let people see that a little bit more league wide,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 11: I think that would really help the cause as well.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be unfair and I'm going to ask
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: you a college football question when you're in full hockey mode.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: Okay, because it's been it's.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: Been a wild offseason here in Salt Lake City, and
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: as we talked about, you spent a lot of time
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: here on the sidelines covering a Utah team that for
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: so many years it was just like death taxes in
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: Utah football. To quote Joel Klatt, it was always Kyle Whittingham.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: You know what this team is going to look like.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: You know what this team is going to be identity wise,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: And I think we're going to get a continue suation
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: of that with the new coach, Morgan Scalley. But I
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: have not yet talked to you and got your perspective
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: on the off season this program has had on the
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: departure of Kyle Whittingham, him going to Michigan.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: And now a fresh start here in Salt Lake for a.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: Guy who played under Kyle Whittingham, coached his whole career
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: under Kyle Whittingham, but is now taking that baton and
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: hopefully running with it. Your thoughts on a new brand
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: of Utah football given that what we we have covered
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: and you have covered for so long has been, you know.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: Kind of the same.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I know, it's got to be a little bit
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 11: surreal for some fans in the area. And knowing that
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 11: Whittingham has been at the Hell for the last two decades,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 11: and then when you think he's retiring and passing the
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 11: torch to Morgan Scalley, he actually isn't retiring and goes
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 11: over to Michigan. And I mean, and kudos to Michigan
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 11: on the standpoint of for as much like purmoil and
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 11: controversy as they've had, bringing in as rock solid of
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 11: a human and a coach as you can imagine. But
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 11: obviously that takes away from Utah, and he takes Jason
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 11: Beck with him as well, who had the relationship that
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 11: he had with Devin Dampier, who I think that's such
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 11: a feather in the cap for Morgan scally to not
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 11: only keep Dampier, but Bert Sicklin as well, and seeing
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 11: what that can look like offensively with the two of them,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 11: and knowing that there's no hostility between them, that they're
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 11: like brothers, they're best friends. They don't live together, but
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 11: basically do they're together as much as they are, and
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 11: I think that was huge for him. But in terms
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 11: of continuity, I feel like Morgan scally is gonna keep
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 11: a lot a lot of that right, Like he learned
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 11: from every step of the way Kyle Whittingham, He's been
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 11: a part of this program for years and years and years.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 11: He was always the head coach in waiting and was
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 11: probably a little bit tired of waiting, and if he
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 11: had to wait anymore, he probably would have been the
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 11: one to lead. So for him to be a young,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 11: up and coming guy that has the same mentality and
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 11: has been building that defense and the identity of the
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 11: defense for years, I feel like Utah is still going
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 11: to be in a really good place.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: That's the hope fingers crossed. And obviously when we get
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: to college football season, we'll be talking to you about
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: that as well. When do you start shifting into that
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: mode after the Stanley Cup playoffs?
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 11: Yes, I need to get through the Cup for sure,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 11: and I keep tabs on things here and there at
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 11: the other network that I work for Beson. You mentioned
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 11: on Perious Exam one of my good friends and fellow hosts,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 11: Kim Murray. He does like every three week college football
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 11: podcast in the off season, and so that really helps
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 11: heat me at least dialed on the news and everything
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 11: that's going on aside from Brendon Sarsby. Because that certainly
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 11: caught my attention neither you're nor there, but yes, after
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 11: the Family Cup Final is really when I start to
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 11: shift my attention much more deep into both college football
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 11: and the NFL.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: Well, hold on, because you mentioned it.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: I is Brendt Sorsby playing college football in the twenty
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: twenty sixth season.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 11: I don't know how he can. So I will be
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 11: keeping cabs on this every time there is a new
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 11: development as we go. But the rules that the NCAA
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 11: are as clear as day on what you can and
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 11: cannot do, especially around sports betting, whether whether a lot
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 11: of it is correct or in. For act, I mean
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 11: the fact that Torsi was betting on games that his
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 11: team was in. Yes it was to win, and yes
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 11: it was games that he wasn't involved in it. It's
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 11: very blatantly and clearly against the rules. You, as an
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 11: NCAA athlete or employee at any level, cannot bet on
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 11: any of the sponsored sports under the NCAA umbrella or
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 11: professional sports that are under that umbrella. They are very
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 11: strict and clear on what those are and for you
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 11: to blatantly avoid that and have all of these betting
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 11: apps on your phone while also having the I can't
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 11: remember the name of the app that that the NCAA
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 11: makes you have on your phone as an athlete now
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 11: as a part of this, so while having like that
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 11: betting thing on your phone as well, it's just it's
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 11: just it's just stupidity. So I don't I don't have
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 11: a lot of sympathy for that when you know the
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 11: rules and blatantly break them. So I'm very serious to
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 11: see how.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 9: This is going to play out.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: I will be watching it very closely as well, and
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: we look forward to more conversations when we get to
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: that point in the season.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: Have fun with the rest of the Stanley Cup playoffs.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 5: Wish our mammoth.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: We're continuing, but it's worth watching anyone out there, even
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: with your team out. I promise you these series in
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: the West and even in the East have been really
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: fascinating so far.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 5: Stormy.
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  Speaker 3: interviews for the Utah Mammoth. But I wanted to touch
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  Speaker 3: on this today. You know, it's the heart of an
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: offseason now for Utah football. You've got players basically grinding lifting,
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  Speaker 3: finishing their academic requirements. I think that school is out already.
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  Speaker 3: I think graduation already happened. But you've got a dead period,
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  Speaker 3: a silent period, so to speak, for players to just
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  Speaker 3: toil away and improve themselves physically until we get to
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  Speaker 3: fall camp. Because the transfer portal window was reduced down
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: to the single one. The ghost transfer rules have been
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: put in place, there's not a lot of personnel movement.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: There's not gonna be a lot of personnel movement. There's
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: a couple like random, I found out I have extra eligibility,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: and now I have a special dispensation.
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  Speaker 4: I can go look for a spot to land.
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  Speaker 3: And you're not going to get any meaningful additions to
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: this roster, and nobody is really So it's all about
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: off season storylines, and it's all about the Brendan Soaresby
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: type stuff and are you are you doing anything you're
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: not supposed to be doing that's going to now result
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: in a suspension of of course, injuries are a problem
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: that can even happen just in an offseason workout protocols.
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  Speaker 5: But we'll keep our fingers crossed.
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  Speaker 3: And none of that effects really anyone in the Big
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  Speaker 3: Twelve because you want to see the best sample of
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: football from this conference. But ESPN is always looking for
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: things to grab our attention and in this case, to
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: upset us. So Eli Leederman, Max Olson, and Adam Rittenberg,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: the lead college football riders at ESPN, collaborated on ranking
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  Speaker 3: the off season for every college every Power for college
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: football team, and in the Big Twelve, they broke it
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: down by conference. In the Big Twelve, Utah come in, Well, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what, I'm just gonna.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go down and James, you tell me
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  Speaker 3: when you expect to hear me. Read Utah's name next. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Number one, No surprises here. Texas Tech Red Raiders, Key
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  Speaker 3: additions Brendan Soresby, maybe question mark off outside linebacker, Tray White,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: outside linebacker Adam Trick, Key departures, Jacob Rodriguez, David Bailey,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: Lee Hunter. All of those guys went into the NFL. Bailey,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: of course, was the number two overall pick. Top incoming
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  Speaker 3: recruits outside linebacker La Damian Geiten, offensive tackle Felix Oho.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: He the Utes were in on him temporarily, wide receiver
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: Chase Campbell. What went wrong in their offseason? Texas text
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: offseason was looking ideal until about two weeks ago when
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: the school first learned that Soresby was under n CD
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: investigation for sports betting.
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  Speaker 5: That's a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: Number two in the Big Twelve BYU Cougars, Key additions,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: k dou Luave Pockey, fenwe Walker, Lions, Key departures, Jack Kelly,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: Chase Roberts, Tanner Wall.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: What went wrong?
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 5: They talk about the Parker Kingston situation there?
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 4: What went right?
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  Speaker 7: L J.
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  Speaker 3: Martin and Green to come back. Number three Arizona Wildcats.
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  Speaker 3: What what number four are Houston Cougars?
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  Speaker 4: Wait?
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  Speaker 9: What?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? I would have expected Utah to be in three
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  Speaker 5: or four. I'll say that number five Oklahoma State Cowboys.
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  Speaker 4: Huh huh.
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  Speaker 3: Key additions, Drew Mesta Maker, Caleb Williams, White Young.
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  Speaker 4: What went wrong in Oklahoma State?
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: Well, it's one of the most ambitious roster flips we've
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: ever seen in college football. One and eleven season a
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: year ago, twenty five players are returning from.
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  Speaker 5: Last year's roster. That was awful. By the way, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: number six certainly, Utah's got.
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  Speaker 3: To be here TCU horn Frogs number seven in the
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: offseason rankings. TCU makes sense. They only lost their starting quarterback. Well,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: they brought in another quarterback, as everyone does. They did
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: okay in the recruiting world, you know who didn't lose
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  Speaker 3: their starter or their backup?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, Utah?
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 4: What went wrong?
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: Tc was expecting Hoober to return for his fourth years
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: the horn Frogs starter. He opted to enter the portal
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  Speaker 3: and joined defending national champion.
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  Speaker 5: Indiana for obvious reasons.
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  Speaker 3: Number seven All right here we are no, actually not
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  Speaker 3: Arizona State sun Devils. Key additions Amari Miller wide receiver,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: Reid Harris wide receiver, linebacker, Owen long Key departures best
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: receiver in college football, well, best receiver in the Big
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: Twelve offensive tackle who ended up being a first round
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: draft picks.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, but they have their quarterback. They have their really
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 6: talented quarterback. Though, no, no, they don't.
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  Speaker 5: He's Ansu.
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  Speaker 3: They're okay in the incoming recruiting all right, number eight
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: in the Big Twelve conference. That's where they've got Utah
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  Speaker 3: ranked in their off season rank.
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  Speaker 5: I got them right in the middle.
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  Speaker 6: And listen, I'm not I'm not one that thinks that
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 6: they should be the favorites to win the conference. I'm
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 6: not sure there's anyone that feels that way, even even
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 6: with Brendan Soresby probably not playing for Texas Tech. You
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 6: gotta believe in in what they got going down there
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 6: in Loubwick because the proof of concept of last from
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 6: last year BYU deserves to be two is well.
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  Speaker 3: But look on on paper, if so, if Soorsby is
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: out on paper, BYU is the best team in the league,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: they probably are. Yeah, and I don't love saying that
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: on the home of the Utes, but look, Kalani Satake
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: and what they've got going on down there. They deserve
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: credit for not losing anyone important in the transfer portal.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 5: Nobody, nobody of real significance left BYU in the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 5: Zero players. How many schools can say that.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 6: When you lost your defensive coordinator to Michigan and that
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 6: guy brought in a bunch of players and some of
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 6: those went to the NFL this year, but the others
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 6: decided to.
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  Speaker 4: Stay at BYU.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: You lost Jack Kelly, who was like this incredible player
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: who's now going to be I think he's going to
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: overperform his draft pick in the NFL.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: You lose Jack Kelly to graduation.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: And you bring in a guy who's probably gonna be
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: better than Jack Kelly in kdu luave.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know how ridiculous that is?
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: So BYU is probably going to be the number one
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  Speaker 3: team if Brendan Soorsby is ineligible. And by the way,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: that's all gonna be based Texas Tech. Their whole thing
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: is gonna be based on no Brendan Soorsby. And or
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: how long does it take Will Hammond to get back
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: from the injury?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 6: If Will Hammond's not back till October like the projections
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 6: are right now, that's that's gonna be tough to overcome
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  Speaker 6: four games. You probably gonna have multiple losses there.
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  Speaker 3: And I actually need to do some digging on this
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: because I was having a conversation yesterday. You know, like
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: everyone's on peptides right now, the ozempic thing, and there's like, uh,
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: there's one for men called retta that everyone's doing. So
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: all your old high school buddies are getting lean and
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: shredded doing these peptides.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: Banned substance slash, drug testing slash whatever. I don't know
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: how it handles these peptide injections. I don't know, like there,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: but there are peptides now that are all about strengthening
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: your tendons. There's peptides that are designed to help you
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: heal faster. There's a peptide for every dang thing under
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: the sun. Right now, if you're Texas Tech, you're calling
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: the number one peptide doctor in America and you're saying,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: is there any way that we can get our backup
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: quarterback Will Hamm and our projected backup quarterback, we can
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: get him back sooner.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 5: Anyway? Sorry for the little aside. So the on paper,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 5: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: The on paper is not hyper favorable to Utah compared
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: to Texas Tech or to BYU.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 4: And other people.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: Other teams, I should say did a really nice job
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: bringing in reinforcements based on what they were doing using.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 5: And obviously there's teams that are bringing back important players.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: We're gonna have Adam Rittenberg on as soon as we
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: can to talk all things college football, and I promise
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: you Adam Rittenberg does not think that Utah is gonna
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: be the eighth best team in the Big Twelve Conference.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: This is an off season ranking, but the off season
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: ranking for Utah is I think being being dragged heavily
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: because of for the first time in twenty one years,
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: uncertainty around the program that people that grew to be
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: so certain of Now. I love this because it's bulletin
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: board material for Morgan Scalley. It's reinforcement for the chip
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: that is already on the shoulder for this team. It's
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: a legitimate like, Hey, we operated for a decade plus
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: on the respect of our head coach, and that's true.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: Utah was oftentimes overestimated because people respected Kyle Whittingham so much.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: Now They're going back to a place where they are
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: being underestimated because people don't know what they've got in
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley and Jordan Gross and Kevin mcgiven and Colton
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: Swan and all those guys.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 5: This is not a who had, you know, a bad
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 5: offseason nationally.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: This is a conference list that says Houston had a
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: better offseason than you.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 5: Oklahoma State had a better.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State replaced their longtime head coach and are coming
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: off a one win season where they didn't even have
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: players you.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: Want to bring back Utah. Yes, they lost some things.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: John Henry Daily, We're gonna wish he stayed, and I
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna wish he stayed also, But.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 5: With JHD, he probably not playing this year anyway.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 3: That's why I say I think he's gonna wish he
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: states yeah, because guess what's.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 5: Gonna happen to him.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: He's gonna sit out this year or most of this
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: year at the University of Michigan, and Michigan has two
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: five stars and three four stars in that room that
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: are younger than him and have a better injury history
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: than them, who then are gonna stay in front of him,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: and he's gonna be like, oh, what anyway, that's no
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: longer our business. Yeah, you lost some guys, and you
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: lost important members of this coaching staff. I'm never gonna
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: downplay that because Jason Beck was a loss, Lewis Powell
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: was a big loss, Jim Harding is a loss. But
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: this is a wild, wild underestimation of what you taught
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: is bringing back. And if I'm Bird Fickland and Devin
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: dan Pire especially, I'm just like, oh, we have two
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: excellent players at the most important position in college football,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: and people are saying that we are cooked.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 5: All right, let's see.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you hope that it adds extra motivation just to
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 6: just to give some kind of to try to figure
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 6: out why they're being underestimated this much by their own conference.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 6: It's obviously losing your obviously losing Kyle Whittingham as great
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 6: as much respect as people have for Morgan Scaley, that's
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 6: still uncertainty there.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 5: How's it going to be under a new head coach?
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 5: That's valid.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 6: Different five new offensive line starters. You lost two first
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 6: round picks, new offensive line coach, and Jim Harding, very
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 6: respected offensive line coach. You you don't have him in
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 6: the building.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 5: Anymore. Okay, that's valid.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 6: I just don't know that it's valid enough to be like, yeah,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 6: Oklahoma State, like you said, TCU, who lost their starting quarterback.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that. You would not hear me
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: making a case for Utah over pretty much anyone that
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: actually makes sense. But like Arizona States offseason, they lost
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: their starting quarterback who they thought they were gonna get
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: to keep, who they paid four million dollars last year.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 6: Who was if not for him being injury having an
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 6: injury riddled season last year, we might have been talking
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 6: about him as the best quarterback in the conference, like
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 6: he's that kind of a talent, he played that way
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 6: that well the year before, on a on a year
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 6: that they that ASU won the conference, Like that's that's
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 6: a huge loss, and you lost the top receiver in
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 6: the conference to the first round of the NFL drafts.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: I find myself in a funny spot because I'm ranting
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: against the logic behind this list, while I'm also happy
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: that this is what ESPN and other national publications and
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: this is what people are gonna do with Utah this year.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 5: This is what people are gonna do with Utah until.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: They win ten games probably they're gonna say, we don't,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: we don't believe in you anymore.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 5: We don't know, guys.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 3: And the national perspective, I can tell you the national
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: perspective on this Kyle Whittingham situation was that it was
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: mismanaged badly. That is the national perspective on how the
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: exit of Kyle Whittingham was handled. I have talked with
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: enough people who cover college football for a living. We've
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: interviewed plenty of them, and the overarching like, hey, what
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: the heck was that?
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 5: Now affects the remaining team negatively.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: So everybody, now, well, you gotta show me Morgan, you
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: gotta show me Devin dan Pierre that you can win
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: without Jason Beck. You gotta show me Bird Ficklin that
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: you're actually going to give us ten touchdowns again next year.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 5: I love it. I love all of it because I
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 5: think that it.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: Suits the culture and the personality of the university, the
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: football team, even the state a little bit better. I
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: actually think one of the things that works against BYU
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: most heavily this year is at they're gonna be doing
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: the thing that Utah did the last two seasons, patting
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: themselves on the back before they deserve it. I think
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: that that's gonna happen a lot, and I think it's
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: going to be detrimental ultimately. I think that BUYU is
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: going to roll into a game this year thinking like,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: are you know what doesn't stink? And we're gonna win
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: this game just because we can roll our helmets out
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: there and it's not gonna work.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: We have seen we saw Utah do that a couple
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: of times. We saw Utah do that like four times
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: in previous seasons. This is interesting though, that for the
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: first time in at least a decade, because Kyle Whittingham's
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: reputation really got to be where it's at now in
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: the last ten twelve years, even after he had won
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: the Sugar Bowl, when they made the leap into the
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: into the Pac twelve, there was still some like national
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: pundits that were just like, yeah, but it's Utah.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 5: They're still just Utah, And it.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: Took some time for the program and the recruit rooting
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: and everything to catch up to make Utah kind of
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: like the most popular of all of the oh I
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: also haven't thought about them in a wild teams. Utah
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: became like the power version of a Boise state. They
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: get we're universally respected. Even if people didn't know about you.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: That status is gone. It now lives in ann Arbor, Michigan.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: So Utah is going to have to earn every little bit,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: every little thing moving forward.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 5: And I like it. Yeah, and I I think it's fair.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 6: Like we around here and on this show on our station,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 6: I think we I think the consensus is that Utah
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 6: will probably be somewhere in the top three, if not
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 6: maybe win the conference.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 5: That's that that's kind of the neighborhood that we feel
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 5: like they're in.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 6: I can understand because even at this conference level that's
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 6: making this list, I can understand them not having that
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 6: kind of confidence in Morgan Scaley because he's unknown. Like
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 6: we mentioned with Jordan Gross, I left out Kevin mcgiven
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 6: replacing Jason Beck another unknown. Three very important coaches on
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 6: very important coaches, right, that left your program and the
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 6: most important as well at the head coaching position. I
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 6: understand them saying, you know what, no, there's no way
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 6: I can put them near the top of the like
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 6: in the top three of the conference. But I don't
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 6: know how you drop them lower than five. I just
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 6: really don't with how much they were able to retain.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 6: And if you really did a little bit of homework
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 6: and saw just how good people feel about the program,
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 6: the people who are involved in the program feel about
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 6: the program right now despite all that change, it kind
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 6: of how can you have them lower than top five
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 6: in the conference in the projection, But like you said,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 6: it probably will help Utah more than them being projected
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 6: where closer to where they ought to be.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 5: Will all right, went a little bit longer than I
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 5: wanted to.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: We'll take a break. Clayton Keller sound next, and we'll
• 2:22:05
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  Speaker 12: Another one.
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  Speaker 3: Right, more exit interviews from the Utah Mammoth Organization happening today.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: Actually right after the show is when that media is
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: availability is going to happen, so we won't be able
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: to make it on time.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 5: But players already did their locker.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: Room exit interviews, and I wanted to give you sound
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: from the captain, Clayton Keller unwrapping, kind.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 12: Of got a taste of you know, how hard it
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 12: is to get into the playoffs, Like it always comes
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 12: down to the very end, and and every team's fighting
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 12: and so hungry. So you know, going into next year, like,
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 12: you know, we've got a taste of it, and now,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 12: like you know, that's like the standard for us, like
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 12: it's it's a playoffs or it's a boss Like you know,
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 12: now we kind of.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: Got Clayton Keller setting a standard for next season. It's
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: gonna be massively important for this team.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 5: Obviously.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: Uh, my curiosity and I'm really interested to hear what
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: Bill Armstrong has to say after, you know, after he's
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: had some time to think about the end of the
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 3: Vegas series. Uh, the way to improve this team making forward,
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: how similar does it look next year to what we
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 3: saw this year? Because obviously there were so many really
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: good things and this is a team that very obviously
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 3: has a lot of skill, They've got a lot of speed.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: The youth is on there for the next few years.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: If we're opening a window now to Stanley Cup playoff contention,
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: Stanley Cup contention two, three, four years, are you going
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: to try to because he has said and coach bhar
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 3: has said, well, you know, we want physicality, we want size,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 3: we want to be a team that you're a little
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: bit afraid to play against. It's not the way that
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: they were most successful this year.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 5: So I'm really.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: Curious to see what kind of tweaks are made, if any,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: because as we have said many times already, the nucleus
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 3: of what the team is going to be for the
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: foreseeable future is locked in and you're not going to
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: trade any of these guys. You don't need to compile
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: a bunch of draft assets, and I don't think there's
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 3: gonna be the type of players that you need available
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: on the trade market to go take a big swing
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 3: and bring in like one of the top five defensemen
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: in the league or something like that, if that even
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 3: is a goal of yours right now, which I don't
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 3: think it is. Because they like their top defensive pairings,
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: they like their blue line, they like the numbers, especially
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: around their blue line. I think you have to figure
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: out a better backup goalie so that Veggie is not
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: constantly needed, so that he can be rested a little
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: bit more.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: And I don't even just mean physically.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 3: I mean like there's a mental strain to being the
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: guy who's got to be in there every single night
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 3: because you can only put your backup out there when
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 3: you don't expect much from the opposition. The little tweaks
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 3: are going to be very, very important for this franchise
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: in the offseason. I'm sure Bill Armstrong will have some
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 3: thoughts on it, as will Coach Bear. Will Coach Bear
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 3: be the guy right? Because good is sometimes the enemy
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 3: of great And if we all agree, and I think
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: we do, that Coach Bear has done a really good
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 3: job with this team. Is he the guy that the
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: franchise on the top level? Does ownership think that he
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 3: is a great coach? Does ownership and the team president
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: do they think that Bear Tourney is the guy that
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 3: can get you through two three rounds of Stanley Cup
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: playoffs and season this team into being by twenty twenty
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: seven eight a real Cup contender?
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 4: Don't know?
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  Speaker 5: All right? That was the captain. Now let's Lass and Krause.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 3: Who is the alternate captain and a guy that deserves
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: a little shout out for a really really impressive playoff performance,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: especially says they'll be back.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 13: You know, I say this a bunch when when I
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 13: view leadership, for me, it's not something that I just force.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 13: I think for me, it's just being the person that
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 13: I am, and I think everything else kind of follows that.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 13: And you know, for me, it's focusing on things like commitment, consistency,
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 13: hard work, you know, putting the team above myself. And
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 13: I think our entire team took, you know, huge strides
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 13: in that this year, and that's a big reason of
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 13: why we had success. And like I said, we've we're
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 13: all you know, we're all sad we're not still playing,
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 13: but we will learn and we will be back.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: That last sentence might be the best way to sum
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: up the sort of overall sentiment of the complete exit
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 3: interviews that we heard from players. Some variation on that concept,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: obviously in greater detail, was expressed by everyone that yeah, man,
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: this sucks, but we are going to be a team
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: to be reckoned with in the future. And Loston Kraus
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: has been around, he knows, he's seen it, He's played
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: against the best, he's played with the best. He's one
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: of those guys that many people on this team, many
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 3: people around this team, wanted to emphasize the fact that yes,
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 3: the group itself, the team, the squad together does not
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: have playoff experience as a unit, but a lot of
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 3: people do have playoff experience, and a lot of people
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: have been on teams with Stanley Cup winners or they've
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: been Stanley Cup winners themselves. So that collaborative effort, that
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: learning process, you have to give credit where it's due.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: And there's the guys in this room now that are
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: capable of teaching the younger players. You know the right
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 3: way to do it. Experience is going to be the
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 3: best teacher. And now they have that playoff experience. And
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone on this roster is going to be
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: haunted by the fact that you had a bunch of leads.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: You had three third period leads that all got squandered.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: What was a Game four? Yeah, game four, you could
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: have gone up three to one in the series. You're
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: fifty two seconds away from going up three to one
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 3: in the series, and that changes everything if you can
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: do it. Speaking of people with optimistic future outlooks logan,
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 3: Cooley mentioned that he doesn't think there's much limit to
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: what this team can do.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think you know, there's a limit on what
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 7: we can accomplish. I think we got a special group
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 7: in this locker room and a bunch of great leaders,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 7: guys that I've been through, you know, so many different
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 7: playoff games, cup runs, and you know, it's joy to
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 7: be around these guys, and you know, excited to see
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 7: what we can accomplished next year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pumped as as Coolly, by the way, he was
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: his birthday yesterday. Happy birthday yesterday, Logan Cooley, twenty two
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 3: years old. Happy birthday today to my brother. By the way,
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: my older brother is forty five today. Shout out to
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: my brother Luke Logan Cooley. When he says I don't
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 3: think there's a limit to what we can accomplish. I
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 3: hope he has a full appreciation about what level of
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 3: driving force he is going to be around. This franchise
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: is accomplishment moving forward. Logan Cooley is a determinant of
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 3: the ceiling of this franchise, more so, I think than
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: most players. We saw a glimpse into his playoff psyche.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: We saw a little window into his awareness of what
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 3: needs to be done when it's nut cutting time. In
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: the actual Stanley Cup playoffs. He is going to be
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 3: one of those guys that determines what the limit of
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: this franchise is. If he plays and continues to develop
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 3: at the clip that we have seen so far, he will.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 5: Be an All Star, He'll be an Olympian.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: He'll be guy that determines the overall path of Utah
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: Mammoth Hockey and of Team USA Hockey to some extent
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: in the next decade or so. No limit to what
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: the team can accomplish, no limit to what Logan Cooley
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: personally can accomplish if he stays healthy. It's an exciting
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 3: time really to be kind of at the ground level,
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: and we all got to do it together. All at
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: the same time. The bandwagon still has plenty of seats
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 3: on it, but it's open. It's like, hey, come on
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 3: in and these players man, especially the core that is
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: now extended. I'm talking about the Schmaltz, Keller, Cooley, Gunther,
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: these guys that for the next six to eight years
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 3: are going to be the backbone of Mammoth Hockey.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 5: It's good for you, JJ Pitturk.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 3: We expect more from him next year, and again, my
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 3: hope is that the right questions are asked during the
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 3: media availability with coach Behar and with Bill Armstrong and
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 3: company today on like Hey, who lived up to what
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: you expected?
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 9: Is?
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: What is the realistic goal for what you get out
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 3: of Paturca and Wiger and some of the acquisitions that
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 3: you made at the end of this season or before
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 3: the end of the season. I should say, we'll have
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 3: some of that sound before you on the show tomorrow
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: and we'll digest everything that they're saying.
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  Speaker 4: I was standing out there waiting for you to go
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  Speaker 4: to break. I've been here for like seven minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Oh that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: If you left you drowning.
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  Speaker 5: No, here's what happened. We took a break when we
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  Speaker 5: were supposed to today for the first time. Oh that's
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  Speaker 5: not a skill I have. I'm not good at that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I've I'm bad.
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  Speaker 4: But you were in here cooking with some Utah Mammoth
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 4: hot takes. I wanted to let you go.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know how hot those takes are, but you know,
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 3: I it sucks because the season's over. I've already anxious
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 3: for next year to begin for the Utah Mammoth because
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 3: that forward step is going to be I think a
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 3: significant one, and we'll see how it plays out next year. Also,
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: I'm glad they're they're better than they were last year.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 3: I'm glad they're going to be better next year. But
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 3: the Colorado Avalanche are going to mow down whatever stands
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 3: in their way this year. So even if you advance,
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 3: at some point you're like, all right, we're not real contender.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 5: Stuff.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 4: Well, and you, as I was pulling in the building
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 4: and you used a line that I love. Good is
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 4: sometimes the enemy of great. Yeah, and we talked about
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 4: this yesterday a little bit through the prism of what
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 4: Dennis Lindsay decided to do with the Al Jefferson Paul
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 4: Millsap Jazz and then what Danny Ainge decided to do
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 4: with the Rudy Gobert Donovan Mitchell Jazz, because those were
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 4: really good teams, and you could make an argument that
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 4: the Gobaart Mitchell group actually could have maybe competed for
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 4: a championship, but they just had so many playoff failures.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 4: And how long will Bill Armstrong be patient if we
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 4: don't see tangible steps forward? Because next year will be
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 4: year six of this process they started right this was
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 4: year five.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 5: And Bill is kind of this like it's like clairvoyant.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 4: He's called it like almost every year if you listen
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 4: to him, it's like, yeah, this year, I think we're
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 4: gonna compete. Okay, this year we really should be a
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 4: wildcard team.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 5: What's what's the.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 4: Expectation next year? And if it's not met, how long
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 4: are you willing to be patient for a group that
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 4: is good and maybe not great?
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 3: Well, the funny thing, like I want to know what
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: Bill's thoughts on that are, Yeah, but ultimately it's Ryan
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 3: and Ashley sure going Okay, I got a taste of this.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 3: I want something good now, I want something big. Now
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 3: can we make that happen? And of course the hockey
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 3: guy Bill Armstrong is gonna be like, well, this is
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 3: probably kind of the realistic.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you told me you're seven of the year.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, your seven of the eight year plan was that
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 3: we should be at least into the second round and
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 3: maybe another first round exit. I need to change right now.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 3: And that's going to be interesting to see how that
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 3: dynamic develops and plays out.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder because it's interesting to consider. Ryan, of course,
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 4: is an admitted basketball guy. Talks about it all the time,
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 4: Like when he had an ownership stake in RSL soccer,
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 4: fans like you're gonna like showed up to a game,
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 4: do you want to make a trade, and he's like, well,
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 4: his his bandwidth was on basketball, and then once the
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 4: hockey thing became a reality, he just had to exit
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 4: stage left from soccer because he had too much on
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 4: his plate. So the reason I bring it up is
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 4: there's mixed messaging about how involved he is on the
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 4: basketball side because he uses language like Austin has final
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 4: recommendation to me. Most owners in the NBA just hire
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 4: basketball people and say, okay, go to your job. And honestly,
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 4: the most successful ones absolutely do that. So I've never
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 4: heard Ryan say like, no, Austin's running the thing or
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 4: Danny's running thing. It's always like they have final recommendation
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 4: to me. And what if We're sitting there on draft
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 4: night and Austin wants Darren Peterson and Danny wants aj
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 4: Debonsa and they look at Ryan like, is it his call?
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 5: It sounds like it is, But are we saying that
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 5: Ryan Smith is Jerry Jones in this thing? Absolutely?
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Look awesome now. Look look he doesn't
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 4: even run from it. It's the language he uses when
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 4: discussing his basketball ops. The question I have is, there's
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 4: no way Ryan knows. There's just no way. Having a
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 4: million of what Bill Armstrong and his staff knows, it
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 4: can't be like, hey, I found a winger in Czechoslovakia
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 4: that I want to sign next week.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 3: There's no Yeah, there's no way that's happening in hockey.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 3: If that's happened in basketball, it's not happening in hockey.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 3: But I mean, look, owners, they say, you have the
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 3: luxury when you're an owner to be like, I don't
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 3: care how you get me the result.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 5: Get me the result. And they're like, well, sir, it's
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 5: not even like it's not even possible to get that
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 5: result right now? Do it anyway? Yeah, that's what owners
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 4: Look, the bottom line is you own the team, you
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 4: get to do whatever you want to do.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, I shall want a team so bad.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 4: Eleven to two baby at midday radio salary right around
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 4: the corner. Maybe if we combine our net worth. Nope,
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: prices are really high these days. You know what we
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 4: could buy, like.
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 5: An AAU hockey team. I don't think we could even
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 5: do that. Prices are pretty high. We could buy the
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 5: Mighty Ducks.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 4: Let's combine our resources and agreed to donate the sticks
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 4: next year for the right to make a decision out
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 4: of trade.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 5: Won't happen.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: Well, they probably can handle the money needed for sticks anyway.
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 4: I do wonder if the hockey success has mitigated the
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 4: basketball failures for Ryan a little bit.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 5: I wonder if he feels a.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 4: Little bit better about his entire project because the hockey
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 4: team has been able to improve leaps and bounds while
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 4: we're still waiting to see what the basketball team is
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 4: going to look like.
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  Speaker 5: I think if it were me, that would be an
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  Speaker 5: absolute yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because if all you're holding on to is like
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 3: a losing anything bad feeling.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say this about Ryan. It was interesting.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 4: I went down to the I think it was the
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 4: second to last game of the season, it was the
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 4: Denver game, and was able to spend about twenty minutes
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 4: with him. And the coolest thing he said to me
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 4: that I have never heard him say this publicly because
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 4: I said to him, I'm like, look, are you having
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 4: any fun?
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  Speaker 8: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Because we were talking about the tanking thing and how
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 4: frustrated he was with a fine and now he's talking
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 4: to Adam and the border governors about what they can
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 4: do to kind of curttail this. And he could tell
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 4: it was stressful on him because he's a basketball guy
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 4: who wants to see this team get better. And I say,
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 4: look between the hockey stuff and this bat, like, are
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 4: you enjoying this? And he said, I was raised my
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 4: parents got divorced, my wife was raised in a one
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 4: bedroom apartment in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 5: Like we had nothing. This is awesome. He's like, I'm
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 5: having so much fun.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 4: And I was relieved to hear that because I think,
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 4: you know, like Jim Dolan, for instance, his dad, Chuck Dolan,
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 4: brought cable television to the Or East, and instead of
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 4: giving his children money via inheritance, he said, what business
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 4: do you want? And Jim said, I want the garden,
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 4: so it was bought for him. And he just seems miserable.
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think he enjoys any of it. All he
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 4: wants to do is play kazoo for his dumb band
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 4: on the That's what he enjoys.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 5: That's all he wants to do.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 4: Bill spears everywhere and open for the Eagles because he
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 4: agrees to not take money to do it.
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 5: So like, fine, we don't have to pay an opener.
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 4: You can play your dopey kazoo and your Fedora on stage,
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 4: you moron. Like he's miserable, and Ryan seems like he's
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 4: genuinely enjoying himself.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 5: So that's kind of a breath of fresh air.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 3: And I think it matters to the I think it
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 3: matters to Ryan, and it's smith that like other people
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 3: are enjoying this process too. He wants fandom for these
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 3: teams and maybe that's a business proposition in some ways,
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 3: it's obviously said it is, but like he.
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 4: Wants people to enjoy this. Yeah, and that's pretty cool anyway.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 4: And last thing, I was talking to a and look,
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 4: I know the deal, Like he's also in this because
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 4: he got a billion dollars from the state and this
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 4: is there will never be a generation of Ryan Smith's
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 4: posterity that has to work ever. Again, yes, this is capitalism.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 4: But I was talking to a really high ranking official
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 4: for the Smith Entertainment Group and I said, Look, what's
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 4: it like to work for him? Said, it's awesome. He said,
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 4: So this guy has two sons. One plays high school ball,
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 4: the other plays AAU. Said last year, I didn't miss
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 4: one game for either of my children because I would
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 4: say to him, like, dude, we've got an AAU trip
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 4: to Vegas this weekend, Like is it cool if I
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 4: And he said, oh, don't miss anything that your kids
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 4: are doing. So look, is it propaganda? Is it just
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 4: like messaging? I don't know, but people seem to like
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 4: working for him.
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 3: I think the team itself has been nothing but impressed
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 3: and complimentary of the process of moving from Arizona to Utah. Yeah,
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 3: and pursuing their goal together now with this community in
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 3: a new practice facility. There's a lot of really really
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 3: good things happening. Unfortunately the season is over. We'll give
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: you some sound. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Bill Armstrong
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 3: coach Barrett going to address the media today. Spence check
• 2:42:15
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