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SEASON 2 DA CREW PODCAST_ EPISODE _154_ HOST SHANETTE W JOHNSON · DA CREW Podcast

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Speaker 3: Will you? Good evening and welcome to another episode of
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Speaker 3: I am currently in Denver, cal Denver, Colorado, almost at California.
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Speaker 3: I'm this home, so I'm ready to get back home.
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Speaker 3: So on tonight, ever, so I will be talk talking
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Speaker 3: to Sebastian Royce, who is presently serving a fifty five
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Speaker 3: year sentence for a crime he did not commit in Texas.
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Speaker 3: Cornell will be joining me any minute. But while he
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Speaker 3: before he called, or while he's getting prepared to call in,
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Speaker 3: for we are applicating for the truth, justice reform, and
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Speaker 3: accountability by propriety, a platform for the incarcerated individual to
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Speaker 3: share their story and to seek support part from the
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Speaker 3: outside community. As I stated that we are going to
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Speaker 3: be talking to Sebastian, Cornell have been working Sebastian on
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Speaker 3: his dage, so I really don't know too much of
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Speaker 3: Sebastian's case. So this evening Cornell will do the interview.
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Speaker 3: But if I have any question, or if you guys
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Speaker 3: have any questions and I see him come up, I
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Speaker 3: will read them and give him my opportunity to answer him. Also,
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Speaker 3: I would just like to tell you who Sebastian, Sebastian
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Speaker 3: Royce is. He is a son, a brother, uncle, a
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Speaker 3: loving father of three. Seebastian also served in Iraq. He
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Speaker 3: is uh back and he comes back and now he's
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Speaker 3: had to fight for his freedom. How fair? How fair
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Speaker 3: is that he goes away to fight on behalf of
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Speaker 3: the United States or on behalf of us for our
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Speaker 3: freedom and then have to come back and fight for
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Speaker 3: his So since Cornell haven't came through, I'm going to
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Speaker 3: bring Sebastian up and I'm gonna let him introduce himself
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Speaker 3: to him to you guys, Sebastian, Yeah, how are you
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Speaker 3: doing this evening? I'm doing well in yourself. I want
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Speaker 3: you to go ahead and give the listening audience a
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Speaker 3: little brief description on who is Sebastian Royce.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a right now. He made justice. But as
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Speaker 2: you stated, I was a loving father and a brother.
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Speaker 2: I've worked, I went to the military, I am a or.
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Speaker 2: I have went to college, got a degree. I got
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Speaker 2: an honored with discharge of the military. Uh. I was
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Speaker 2: married at that now without been in here, That's where
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Speaker 2: I'm at right now.
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Speaker 3: Well, you just you said something that caught my attention.
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Speaker 3: You said that you was a loving father. You are
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Speaker 3: still a loving father no matter where you at. So
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Speaker 3: we're just going to get that straightened. Now let's get
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Speaker 3: into what you were like the people the listening ordience
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Speaker 3: to know about your caste.
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Speaker 2: Okay, as you stated, Ivoly convicted the first grade murder,
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Speaker 2: they get fifty five years and ten thousand dollars five.
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Speaker 2: I had to give a person there he was like, okay,
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Speaker 2: their background state was charved by indom was potentially knowing
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Speaker 2: knowingly because of the death of Candiot you there with
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Speaker 2: after he was in the state presented every and showing
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Speaker 2: the rare was shot at a city of member of
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Speaker 2: the woods hip resigned about five on the morning in
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Speaker 2: October two thousand and seven. Wasn't another man Steven to
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Speaker 2: Lease School President Alisa maited his involvement there and also
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Speaker 2: was charged with murdered. He testified to the state at
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Speaker 2: Williams Show Building. The jury willis him to bring Barrera
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Speaker 2: to the shipping tide and it was shot for rare
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Speaker 2: very shortly after the shooting. Wood and the least find
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Speaker 2: their involvement the lease and we'll re contact with the
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Speaker 2: MSSY drove to lead to decide and instructure. So leased
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Speaker 2: to meet him at the color both watch colors.
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Speaker 3: Pick up.
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Speaker 2: It's a load for at least as soon getting to
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Speaker 2: angle and the shooting the two occupants of the bigger
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Speaker 2: what we're.
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Speaker 3: Saying, go ahead, We're still listening.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the two occupants and to the pick up where
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Speaker 2: Martin Extrange and Chagulum both of the proceed in disposition
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Speaker 2: of the angle. The next day, so least Nave and
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Speaker 2: Land took the cars to the tires and have hopefus
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Speaker 2: with at least your cover showcase is there they the
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Speaker 2: chippy side up Topsy was performed, was shot the times
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Speaker 2: twice a minute. There was testimony regarded boys to believe
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Speaker 2: that rare a drawing on that plan the boys was
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Speaker 2: read in this perfect please before a plan was probably
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Speaker 2: playing a love during the investigation of police because of
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Speaker 2: the drawing and was whome the least before they shot her. Really,
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Speaker 2: that's where why I had question. He had a half
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Speaker 2: of his house and he s her playing the rove.
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Speaker 2: I left the rickor fleck. I'm going to give you
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Speaker 2: my person to prove that I am actually answering to
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Speaker 2: the clown and that all my fucking I said. It
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Speaker 2: was complicated for me for in order Judge and M
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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty first dish report for Brandon County
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Speaker 2: for an A legs trunk is that I was never picked.
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Speaker 2: Just let me going. So that.
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Speaker 3: I was trying to pick up some questions. Could I know,
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'm I'm trying to get my thoughts together.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'm still listening to you, Okay.
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Speaker 2: So I want to take this back through two thousand.
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Speaker 2: There's the reason that I'm doing this because out of
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Speaker 2: friend and said Brian. So it was in jail and
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Speaker 2: my fans want fiction that Bryan and it brought up
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Speaker 2: to my house. At my house, we quired. Everybody crashed
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Speaker 2: out at my house in a few days. I had
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Speaker 2: to text we're k talking on my word and they
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Speaker 2: were trying to say that ten Brian murdered a convenience
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Speaker 2: store Twitter and Rosa. Well, I said that there was
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Speaker 2: nobody that dectually happened. He said that Brian was at
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Speaker 2: my house.
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Speaker 1: On that.
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Speaker 2: This interrogation kept going on and everything, and then you
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Speaker 2: can't make sure. And the suspect that with a heavy
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Speaker 2: set black and with an actual desert was a skinny
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Speaker 2: black mane like that buck and talking with any other
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Speaker 2: little crew cut. It didn't even look like I mean,
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Speaker 2: there was ain't that because he was black. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: they wanted me to come to ta Yah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think you your your phone went h.
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Speaker 3: Your phone went down. H.
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Speaker 9: It's a bastion.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I can hear you here, I can hear you now,
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Speaker 3: I can hear you now for now. It's joining us
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Speaker 3: now as what Well, so you were saying that back
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Speaker 3: in two thousand that you had you alibiate for one
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Speaker 3: of your friends, that one of your friends is at
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Speaker 3: your home and he tried to say that he was
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Speaker 3: a part of a murder or something, and you elebate
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Speaker 3: for him. He said that he was at your house right.
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Speaker 2: Yes, trip.
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Speaker 3: And go ahead through.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so public back to the several police department and
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Speaker 2: it target. He told me that after I told him
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Speaker 2: the same story, he said that he thought right, and
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Speaker 2: I told him, you know, I'm done with this interview.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to help you as much as I did,
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Speaker 2: and about community are without lawyer for my parents person
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Speaker 2: and so once I told him that, and I tried
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Speaker 2: to count believe he's pushing me sit down and I
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Speaker 2: don't have any like that. He'll tell me when I
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Speaker 2: can leave you, and I'm telling them that you know
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Speaker 2: you can't do this. You messing up. And the don't
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Speaker 2: wade that he was let me allow me to leave
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Speaker 2: you was my thing. And I would take a line
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Speaker 2: to te later on like I never show up after
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Speaker 2: you put the hands off me and then let me.
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Speaker 2: So you still.
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Speaker 3: I just want to jump in right place. So you're
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Speaker 3: saying that the detective at the time that there was
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Speaker 3: you was doing an interview and you asked for them
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Speaker 3: to that you wasn't gonna talk to them no more,
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Speaker 3: not that your parents or a lawyer was present. You
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Speaker 3: said that they put hands on you, they rushed you up.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he was pushing me off me and you want
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Speaker 2: to let me pass. He was showing me to sit down.
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Speaker 2: If I didn't have anybody in the turn people tell.
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Speaker 3: Me, well, that's crazy for to tell you that you
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Speaker 3: don't have no rights for an attorney. Everybody have a
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Speaker 3: right to an attorney. If the question, and if you
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Speaker 3: asked for an attorney, asked kind they should the question
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Speaker 3: was supposed to cease. They shouldn't have said anything else
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Speaker 3: they should have had. Was you being arrested or was
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Speaker 3: you detained?
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Speaker 2: No. I went up there on my will to tell
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Speaker 2: them the same story that I've been telling them. That
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Speaker 2: I said Brian was anything that had been in my
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Speaker 2: house and the old way that he would allow me
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Speaker 2: to be well, and that I had to for.
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Speaker 3: After I.
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Speaker 2: After I left by agreeing to that, I never went
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Speaker 2: back because I was like the hands on me. I
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Speaker 2: already told them everything you didn't do. Later on they
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Speaker 2: let me alone for a while after that, and later
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Speaker 2: on a Pennant doctory showed I was at another house
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Speaker 2: and he shows up and me and my dad are
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Speaker 2: forever and he's asking me about all that, and I said,
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Speaker 2: I never showed up because you're you're man. Put his
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Speaker 2: hand on I'm trying to tell them that didn't happened,
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Speaker 2: and you are trying to stay online. And so this
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Speaker 2: goes on to where this new can doctor. He tries
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Speaker 2: to set up I mean to take a lot to work.
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Speaker 2: I don't show up, and he calls me when you
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Speaker 2: ill my uncle's funeral day and he tells me about it.
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Speaker 2: It's your uncle's funeral today, right, And I was like yeah.
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Speaker 2: He was like, why are you show up?
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Speaker 3: Said?
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Speaker 2: He told her that I know. I don't want to
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Speaker 2: go anywhere else around him. And so he shows up
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Speaker 2: in the rest with a warrant or note pads. I
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Speaker 2: had take it for no tag get ready to the
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Speaker 2: read me my right. They didn't know let me take
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Speaker 2: up my work for him because met them off the
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Speaker 2: grocery store.
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Speaker 9: Yeh suck.
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Speaker 3: So now here now they harassing you because uh, you
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Speaker 3: wouldn't do no light detective. But is from my knowledge,
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Speaker 3: I don't is light detective. If a is a light
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Speaker 3: detective test admissible and court, why would they so what
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Speaker 3: would I mean that for them?
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Speaker 9: That's that's right, thank you for having me off. Uh
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Speaker 9: uh answer that question now? Uh any recording devices? Uh
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Speaker 9: at the videos off I'm not really actually admitted in
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Speaker 9: the court unless that the end camera with you all
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Speaker 9: that bother the court case all of this a polyp
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Speaker 9: test and that nature wouldn't be in Missipan in court
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Speaker 9: and that was not fun. But the court was only
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Speaker 9: for the officer's own the belopit to determine whether or
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Speaker 9: not he was telling the truth, so that this way
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Speaker 9: they can try to make the happy David. The fact
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Speaker 9: that after they that the the poly wealth test came
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Speaker 9: back negative to any case that he was not telling
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Speaker 9: the truth. But it's not a messible in court because
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Speaker 9: they can be political and they're not only that the
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Speaker 9: ape in which is the detectives you know all and
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Speaker 9: say that partly that Dan so but that man said
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Speaker 9: that question. But in subfence to this, mister suspassion, are
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Speaker 9: you indicating that because the fact that he failed to
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Speaker 9: tell them information about a mother, that your friends be
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Speaker 9: a client, that your friend, that they targeted you to
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Speaker 9: try to make you, uh a subspect. Another copter don't
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Speaker 9: you indicate?
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Speaker 2: So the left room and okay, so I.
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Speaker 9: Can't say yeah, Uh, is that any information of evidence
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Speaker 9: to some knowledge that can exclude you from uh being
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Speaker 9: accused of this crime? Is that anything that you can say,
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Speaker 9: see that you know us on somebody else being accused
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Speaker 9: of this crime or admit this crime that would exclude
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Speaker 9: you that just includes yourself? Yeah, several things that their back.
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Speaker 9: The consistency is known as uh, yeah, prove that I'm innocent?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 9: And what that you can include?
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Speaker 2: Okay do you want me?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? See the things that can improve you anything?
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Speaker 2: What do you have? Okay? So, like I said, with
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Speaker 2: a deferent charges, they ended up being dismissed and then
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Speaker 2: subsequently in October, I was accused, arrested and charged by
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Speaker 2: the grand jury, and night in the office related to
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Speaker 2: the desk, and after being arrested, I was thinking question
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Speaker 2: about my whereabouts on October elevens and over and about
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Speaker 2: the fact the circumstances surrounding there the victim and my
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Speaker 2: whereabout I kept staying over and over again, and I
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Speaker 2: wish I could help them, but I didn't know what
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Speaker 2: happened because I wasn't there.
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Speaker 3: The leading could I jump in right quick. You know,
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Speaker 3: I'm want to kind of because you know, I did
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Speaker 3: you remember I told you you I do. I like
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Speaker 3: to read. I do a lot of h I like
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Speaker 3: to investigate myself. And I was looking I was reading
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Speaker 3: one of the articles that they said that when you
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Speaker 3: were arrested, that it wasn't for for the actual crime
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Speaker 3: of the mercer. They said, they arrested you on a
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Speaker 3: probation violation. That's what that's what's going in the new newspaper.
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Speaker 3: That's what they that's what they're showing. So if they
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Speaker 3: arrested you on a probation violation, how can how did
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Speaker 3: it turned into you being sentenced for fifty five years
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Speaker 3: years for something that you didn't commit.
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Speaker 2: That's really another question. How did I even mess up
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Speaker 2: my probation? I never did it for that was stayed
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Speaker 2: there my job. When my when when she got up there,
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Speaker 2: she said that I was you know, I did a
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Speaker 2: perfect probation. I never was in trouble or did verny
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Speaker 2: followed m hm, so cash basically, so after that they
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Speaker 2: did varigated me, and the lead investigators finally got up
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Speaker 2: of the room. And who comes in after that blow
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Speaker 2: and behold, it's that say that. The very first thing
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Speaker 2: that he tells me is page best seen you in
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Speaker 2: real A lot of time in Pedric Bryan. He didn't
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Speaker 2: try telling me that it was because of me that
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Speaker 2: my friend said to jail on every blowing it because
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Speaker 2: of me he was proven anything you guilty by doing this.
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Speaker 2: He showed me that that art feeling for not getting
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Speaker 2: to Big Brant. Lieutenant doctor got up and he detectives
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Speaker 2: came back in and they had asking me about this murder.
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Speaker 2: They had asked me, Stephen, I did it? And when
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Speaker 2: was the last time that I've seen Canna. I told
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Speaker 2: him that I left time I've seen hand this with
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Speaker 2: the semi davy lamps down Swich with my friends Mally.
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Speaker 2: Stephen was there. I told him, yes. I told the
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Speaker 2: investigators I said keep the home. The reason I said,
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Speaker 2: because they were asked the murder and I was. I
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Speaker 2: was scared that he was in trouble. So after that,
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Speaker 2: what did what you do after that? But what did
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Speaker 2: he do after that? Took home? I said, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't there to stopped the ball.
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Speaker 3: So that, like said, so let me just I just
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Speaker 3: want to jumping real quick. I'm sorry to rupt and
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Speaker 3: so the detective after the lead detective left out the room.
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Speaker 3: You said, Detective Smith came in there. What's his last name? Smith?
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Speaker 2: No, get a doctor. Detective Smith at the room. He
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Speaker 2: was the lead investigator.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So the other one that was looking trying to
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Speaker 3: grow Roy your friends a situation, he steps in the room.
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Speaker 3: Did he have any did he have any was he
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Speaker 3: let me see? Let me I'm trying to get my words.
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Speaker 3: Was he involved in this case?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had no. Like he wasn't part of the
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Speaker 2: schedule yet he made him needed a point to be
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Speaker 2: part of the fact my private investigators, if time Beason
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Speaker 2: might have undertone it. But I just know that you
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Speaker 2: had something to do with it. I'm not looking at
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Speaker 2: the litls. Why was he even looking?
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Speaker 4: He wasn't even pease.
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Speaker 9: So when it came up, found that you know, uh,
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Speaker 9: all the time that they was confiscating all of your
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Speaker 9: property as a result of the fact that they were
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Speaker 9: trying to lead you to a crime. Okay, each time
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Speaker 9: they compensated your property, each time they compiscated your property,
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Speaker 9: did they do an inplatory and take that topaty and
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Speaker 9: place it into a police department, because you know, that.
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that they did, but when we tried to
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Speaker 2: receive it recently, they they I've never seen it myself.
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Speaker 2: And when we tried me they hit you with the
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Speaker 2: government closed point zero two eight. The information that basically
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Speaker 2: staying it's just unapproriate.
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Speaker 9: It's because you have to uh find well about your property.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever.
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Speaker 9: Any times and doubles anything like that? It's the conversation
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Speaker 9: you have your property.
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Speaker 2: No, but I've never been convicted of any because charges
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Speaker 2: of all. Okay, song, but yet.
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Speaker 3: God, go ahead, go ahead with your statements, Sebastian.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, So after after this goes on and
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Speaker 2: on and on, y it basically okay. So let me
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Speaker 2: go back there to the bits I'm gonna tell right here.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, I was scared for my plan, so
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Speaker 2: I lied without taking them home. But the truth was
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Speaker 2: Stephen had left with Kansas, and the before me and
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Speaker 2: Bobbie maclona, we both had individual lives, probably home that's
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Speaker 2: for a little long and out my home which was
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Speaker 2: only a possible way, and my girlfriend David lamp was there.
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Speaker 2: She left for a little bit. Once she showed back
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Speaker 2: up shortly after I was in Martha Johnas went to
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Speaker 2: sleep and I woke up and got preaty for girls.
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Speaker 2: I was alarming national Guard time and continued and kept
27:36
Speaker 2: continued to question the powers and hours hours and they
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Speaker 2: were trying to treat me. Threw nothing the trip so
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Speaker 2: I was telling the truth. Came home and I was
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Speaker 2: fine as lost and after the night and then they
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Speaker 2: started asking me and by toils and I stoptment and
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Speaker 2: over and over again, and then we then ending this
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Speaker 2: interrogation because I was the bosses. I wanted my burning.
28:04
Speaker 2: They didn't tell me always being rid of the destiny
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Speaker 2: and it's rare. They took me to Partter County. It
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Speaker 2: told me in isolation, not allowing me to talk to
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Speaker 2: or see anyone from the phone call over. I was
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Speaker 2: rand by it for eighteen grands ment that anything about
28:21
Speaker 2: about a week later I was taking around county where
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Speaker 2: I was raising from.
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Speaker 4: Now that you know the distance, so.
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Speaker 2: I can give you something consistency on my face in
28:33
Speaker 2: no particular order. It just don't make ship as proved
28:40
Speaker 2: that there was so much line and corruption of this.
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Speaker 2: If you were like.
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Speaker 3: Right back, okay, yeah, we were for you to call
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Speaker 3: back if it hangs up, I want you to call
28:52
Speaker 3: back so we can finish our conversation real quick. That
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Speaker 3: want Cornell and jump there real quick, Cornell.
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Speaker 9: Yes, Fairy's fine. Okay, so uh going deterrogations, the interrogating
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Speaker 9: you're telling them the truth have nothing to do with
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Speaker 9: the Okay that any direct information that they presented it
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Speaker 9: to actually edicate the too committed to all right.
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Speaker 2: No, there's no evidence, there's no the footage, there's no nothing.
29:32
Speaker 2: The only thing that they have is they're saying, my
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Speaker 2: pot tells them that it was a whole bone. Understand
29:40
Speaker 2: it said that I said have murdered. Everybody else that
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Speaker 2: was understand was was going at me examine with every
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Speaker 2: answer if they didn't sem me with it today. But
29:52
Speaker 2: nobody else says that I murdered. Stand for my vote finding.
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Speaker 9: Oh and call.
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Speaker 3: Us back on Sebastian, please please call us back, call
30:08
Speaker 3: us back. Okay, So Angela, if you cook, could you
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Speaker 3: run a commercial for us, please into Sebastian. Call us back.
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Speaker 6: Texas has led the nation in the number of exonerations
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Speaker 6: or people that it clears of wrongful convictions, and in
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Speaker 6: the last few years, the state lawmakers have been working
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Speaker 6: to prevent more wrongful convictions and fix the ones that
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Speaker 6: are already on the books. As part of the year's
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Speaker 6: long effort to hopefully prevent more wrongful convictions in the
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Speaker 6: state of Texas, lawmakers have taken an extra step this
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Speaker 6: year and trying to correct some of the policies that
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Speaker 6: are in place. They've specifically focused on jail health informants
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Speaker 6: or people who are in jail with the suspect and
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Speaker 6: will testify at their trial. They're focusing on photo lineups
31:04
Speaker 6: or in person lineups where a witness is identifying a suspect.
31:08
Speaker 6: And they're focused on coerced confessions, specifically recording any type
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Speaker 6: of interrogation in a jail house to try to prevent
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Speaker 6: any coerced confessions or false confessions. This is part of
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Speaker 6: an effort that's been going on for years since there
31:23
Speaker 6: was a very well known case of a man who
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Speaker 6: was wrongfully convicted and actually died in prison, and that's
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Speaker 6: Timothy Cole, and it's set off into motion this process
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Speaker 6: where whilemakers have gotten together to try to study what's
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Speaker 6: going on in our criminal justice system that's leading to
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Speaker 6: these wrongful convictions. And this is the latest step in that.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so Sebastian have been called back. Like I said,
31:59
Speaker 3: I like to read. I like to read about the
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Speaker 3: different things that's going on in.
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Speaker 4: Collect came from that's.
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Speaker 3: Pun okay, but so okay until us a bashing back up.
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Speaker 3: Let me just let you guys know, according to the
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Speaker 3: National Registrict of a wrong Exeneration, between three thousand and
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Speaker 3: nine thousand people in Texas are currently serving sentence for
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Speaker 3: a wrongfully conviction. Did you hear what I said? Three
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Speaker 3: thousand to nine thousand people are current in prison in
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Speaker 3: the state of Texas on wrongful convictions. That that to
33:44
Speaker 3: me is crazy, That is unbelievable, Cornell, did you hear that.
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Speaker 9: You're both japers and wrong for convictions with him?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
34:03
Speaker 9: And Texas also leads nation and executions.
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Speaker 2: Man. This is a proven fact.
34:08
Speaker 9: So because of this man, and you know here in
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Speaker 9: the United States, you know, there's not a laws being
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Speaker 9: to protective wrong be convicted. And because of this man,
34:19
Speaker 9: individuals you know, being this represent about attorney like they
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Speaker 9: dipunicated identification for testimony aapocated of the climate Lab fight.
34:29
Speaker 9: So as a result is now you know a lot
34:32
Speaker 9: of individuals are looking out of thousands and thousands that
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Speaker 9: he is a cousins because there's no law to protect
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Speaker 9: us from wrong for devictions and that's just very wrong.
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Speaker 9: In number that just gave us like to show up
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Speaker 9: that just after this disu needs to be addressed.
34:47
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean this my I mean just seeing
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Speaker 3: them numbers and reading them out loud, my heart aches
34:58
Speaker 3: because you got men and women in the that's currently
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Speaker 3: in prison and they know that, and they know that
35:07
Speaker 3: for crimes that they didn't do.
35:08
Speaker 2: You know, I was me and.
35:10
Speaker 3: Sebastian had talked, and I don't want to the little
35:13
Speaker 3: that I what he had told me. I don't want
35:15
Speaker 3: to jump ahead until I get him back on the online.
35:22
Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 3: It's just it's just unbelievable, you know, I don't I
35:29
Speaker 3: don't know what to say. Maybe I just have too
35:32
Speaker 3: much compassion or whatever they may want to say about me.
35:36
Speaker 3: But it hurts to see these numbers that high. And
35:43
Speaker 3: recently two weeks ago, I believe in the state of Texas,
35:50
Speaker 3: Texas being Spencer was design read it. He served over
35:58
Speaker 3: thirty four years wrongfully convicted. He was wrongfully convicted and
36:02
Speaker 3: did thirty four years. Thirty four years out of a
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Speaker 3: person like they can't get that time back. Love ones
36:12
Speaker 3: had transition, children have graduated, you know, they lose that time.
36:22
Speaker 3: And then I've seen that he that Ben Spencer Oura,
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Speaker 3: Texas is in the top sixty men that have served
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Speaker 3: the longest time in prison. Win's enough enough? When are
36:47
Speaker 3: we gonna stand up? When we speak up? Three thousand
36:55
Speaker 3: to nine thousand people people that that number is too
37:02
Speaker 3: too big. People losing time to be with their loved ones,
37:08
Speaker 3: to enjoy life. But they are in prison fight and
37:15
Speaker 3: these prisons that don't have air conditions, then they eating
37:20
Speaker 3: feed no peerburg and jelly sandwiches every day. And some
37:24
Speaker 3: people may be saying, oh, you know, that's that's what
37:30
Speaker 3: you know, that goes along with the process, But some
37:32
Speaker 3: of them are.
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Speaker 2: Not any to accept this call to.
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Speaker 9: Thank you for using.
37:50
Speaker 3: Oh that's okay, Sebastian. We were just talking about what
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Speaker 3: I have read from the National Registry. Between three thousand
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Speaker 3: and nine thousand people are currently incarcerated in the state
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Speaker 3: of Texas. Wrong to me, and you are among in
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Speaker 3: that number. So let's let's go. Let's let's continue with
38:17
Speaker 3: the with this show. Okay, Yeah, let's let's this. I
38:25
Speaker 3: got I'm just get it.
38:28
Speaker 2: Did I need to get some passionatensistencies in Yes, I
38:32
Speaker 2: would love for you to.
38:34
Speaker 3: I would love for you to put it out out there.
38:39
Speaker 2: Okay, So I stayd before I was arranged for the
38:45
Speaker 2: eighteen grads of medicals that I said is, then it
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Speaker 2: as is. Okay. So here's here's a fashion in consistencies.
38:52
Speaker 2: I'm the particular. So I've never been I've never been
38:56
Speaker 2: convicted of any drut charges. That were the courts accomplished
39:00
Speaker 2: dation of all my money and property. It only met
39:03
Speaker 2: in my house was on the body of haven Land,
39:06
Speaker 2: and she was charged for it. She told him that
39:09
Speaker 2: she had it was less than a grand The only
39:14
Speaker 2: gun found in my house was a forty five puniverer.
39:17
Speaker 2: It was excluded from the murder. Yet during my trial,
39:21
Speaker 2: Officer rifle Berry continued to refer to the forty five
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Speaker 2: and all of the test and they did on the
39:25
Speaker 2: gun there my trial. Over and over, he just kept
39:28
Speaker 2: talking about it, even though he told him that it
39:31
Speaker 2: was excluded. Officer Rifeerberry was speaking on behalf of the
39:37
Speaker 2: blisted expert Jeffrey Brown with the DPS in love Texas.
39:43
Speaker 2: Upon further inquiry the confirmation on the on the confirmation
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Speaker 2: of his identification, I cannot find its expert. Where have
39:52
Speaker 2: I ever been in the expert by the name of
39:54
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Brown with the DPS and love It or anywhere else,
39:59
Speaker 2: Nor can I I find them at all. And when
40:02
Speaker 2: I asked the DPS for his information, his certification and
40:07
Speaker 2: all the test perteam. So my case, they hit me
40:10
Speaker 2: with the government code five five two point zero two
40:13
Speaker 2: eight for the commission. In two thousand and seven they
40:20
Speaker 2: took cash and company which I never received back. That
40:25
Speaker 2: was the first time. Later on they arrested me, they
40:29
Speaker 2: put the warne out their tempering with evidence. So in
40:33
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine they took twenty five hundred cash
40:37
Speaker 2: for me, and they only claim that they they allo
40:40
Speaker 2: took my best best cars I was in, and they
40:44
Speaker 2: throe and went through my break account for reasons to
40:46
Speaker 2: believe it was proceeded a selling myth. I proved every
40:50
Speaker 2: bit of it, and me and my mom proved every
40:51
Speaker 2: bit of money, and my friend proved worried about his
40:57
Speaker 2: car and everything in. Our attorney was on the miller
40:59
Speaker 2: who ever died of her brain tumor my next attorney
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Speaker 2: Bill he took over and I've never heard another word
41:07
Speaker 2: about it. I tried to get evidence you had from
41:10
Speaker 2: memory the police apartment, were any information on the where
41:13
Speaker 2: ads to my property? And once again was shit with
41:16
Speaker 2: government cod to coinstuate the appropriate commission. They're trying to
41:21
Speaker 2: hide everything from me. They won't give it you.
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Speaker 3: You know, is your is your family able to get
41:33
Speaker 3: a hold of your property?
41:37
Speaker 2: My my mom tried and they acted like they were
41:41
Speaker 2: helping her. So there was this woman she was once
41:44
Speaker 2: my mom said, I told her and if they took
41:48
Speaker 2: everything for me, the lady was was seemed very helpful
41:54
Speaker 2: and she tried to help my mom fill out everything.
41:57
Speaker 2: So once that was turned in the stead of singing,
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Speaker 2: you got of sending that evidence property back like a
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Speaker 2: s everything that they could send my mom like and
42:10
Speaker 2: there and that Graham that was my girlfriend. And she
42:14
Speaker 2: told me that they think that type of well she
42:18
Speaker 2: didn't ask her that. She asked all the stuff that
42:20
Speaker 2: they took and everything she was tried and then she
42:23
Speaker 2: get a hot on them. They won't call her back.
42:26
Speaker 3: So basically, what I'm hearing is that the stuff when
42:31
Speaker 3: your mother asked for your friend, they sent her things
42:36
Speaker 3: to like, well, this is what you're you're trying to
42:39
Speaker 3: prove that you was selling meth.
42:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess that's what they were trying
42:47
Speaker 2: to do. But there was no medicalid.
42:50
Speaker 3: Next in the grand and then you and you and
42:53
Speaker 3: you just said and you beat that you and you
42:56
Speaker 3: know you wasn't ever convicted, uh, any drug charges? You
43:03
Speaker 3: know I even read that it wasn't no convictions.
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Speaker 9: You know, No, I never heard.
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Speaker 3: I never heard.
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Speaker 2: And then you are are you going?
43:17
Speaker 3: And you was hit with a cold?
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Speaker 1: What was that?
43:20
Speaker 3: What is the code?
43:23
Speaker 2: So there's poplic information that it's the government. It's basically
43:27
Speaker 2: say I was saying a little and because when I'm incarcerated,
43:33
Speaker 2: they don't have to give me any information even though
43:35
Speaker 2: it's my information, they don't have to give it to
43:37
Speaker 2: me to give it to anybody who represents me as
43:41
Speaker 2: far as like my mom or dad, praying to anybody else,
43:47
Speaker 2: they don't have to give it to them. I do state,
43:51
Speaker 2: yea the tiny So what I did when I've seen that,
43:58
Speaker 2: I tried to policy to get a quarter point of
44:01
Speaker 2: attourney with the judge and as to this, so that
44:05
Speaker 2: I could it's just information from the Amoral Peace Department
44:09
Speaker 2: and also from the DPS. I love it to say, well,
44:11
Speaker 2: take you do the same thing. And she denied because
44:17
Speaker 2: it's gonna get her in trouble. She knows that she
44:19
Speaker 2: signed off on and stuff legally couldn't myself. And so
44:27
Speaker 2: then I tried to go pack that, and this is
44:30
Speaker 2: where I'm at now. I went above her and went
44:32
Speaker 2: to the Attorney General and that was on May seventeen.
44:36
Speaker 2: But this year and I still have to do anything
44:39
Speaker 2: back for them, and they haven't even helped me back.
44:41
Speaker 2: And I seen an inquiring letter and they haven't even
44:43
Speaker 2: answered me at all. That's how much Atturney.
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Speaker 3: General Barnell, do you have anything to see on this?
44:54
Speaker 2: Well, I guess.
44:56
Speaker 9: The tall point to hey about this is that the
45:00
Speaker 9: same trial course judge to issue the product to the
45:03
Speaker 9: detectives to go to your bank account and which betrieve
45:07
Speaker 9: your money take from your bank account that you know,
45:11
Speaker 9: just the same thing, say.
45:12
Speaker 2: Judge, it's very rumorous things that do.
45:19
Speaker 9: So is this thanks for putting on your question right
45:22
Speaker 9: now that denied you said, the information that you're trying
45:26
Speaker 9: to get, Yes, okay. So is that anything that you
45:33
Speaker 9: help file against the just to try to enforce this,
45:36
Speaker 9: just to make a ruling on your case, to.
45:44
Speaker 2: Make a ruling on my case?
45:45
Speaker 1: What you mean?
45:46
Speaker 9: Yes, to have this to release your information about the
45:49
Speaker 9: wealthouse of your property, to help control redocuments. So anything
45:53
Speaker 9: from the police department. Have you follow anything against the
45:57
Speaker 9: judge for that reason?
46:02
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we haven't answer the things. Like I said,
46:08
Speaker 2: we have to try to get her to give me
46:12
Speaker 2: a counsel to release that information to me so that
46:15
Speaker 2: I can finish with my risk.
46:18
Speaker 4: Okay.
46:19
Speaker 9: And what happened? What did she do with that?
46:24
Speaker 2: Like I stated previously, she's she denied me. She's give
46:28
Speaker 2: me any counsels. Okay.
46:32
Speaker 9: So everything that has been confiscated come you at this point?
46:36
Speaker 9: That no conviction to support the confiscation of all of
46:40
Speaker 9: your competing the compisation for your friends money to be
46:44
Speaker 9: taken out of your account. There's no evidence supported that
46:47
Speaker 9: you have been ever competed for compt right.
46:51
Speaker 2: I have no drug triages whatsoever for you.
46:55
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, So have you ever will any who's for
47:00
Speaker 9: us that's in your hometown and that areat to tab
47:03
Speaker 9: to see if you hit them. To look into this
47:05
Speaker 9: matter as to why the City of Love, tex Texts
47:11
Speaker 9: is reducing an issue and all of them to fire
47:14
Speaker 9: out the way out all of your property and the
47:16
Speaker 9: autor that the issue for them to compensate your money
47:19
Speaker 9: out of your bank account with out of conviction. And
47:22
Speaker 9: have you ever tried to get your money back from there?
47:27
Speaker 2: There's I've tried to problem and received to get my
47:31
Speaker 2: money back. In fact, like our sitting later on in
47:33
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, when you cook my money and
47:36
Speaker 2: my Transcris started to try to get it back and
47:39
Speaker 2: we proved for bitterly that it was legit and my
47:42
Speaker 2: basic alone that here is anurd taye. They had put
47:45
Speaker 2: over ten thousand dollars in there, and.
47:50
Speaker 9: And then the the.
47:55
Speaker 2: PM reporter my best friend is trying to do that
47:58
Speaker 2: and they are kind of shut them down, and they
48:00
Speaker 2: seem like they're scared that they don't want to do that.
48:03
Speaker 2: That's ane or anything.
48:08
Speaker 9: Okay, So the question that anybody stroke tonight is that
48:14
Speaker 9: anything the technical take sure that you will like, but
48:17
Speaker 9: the audience to know about mass.
48:20
Speaker 2: And that you have to put that in your I
48:31
Speaker 2: would like to do to know that I didn't do it.
48:33
Speaker 4: I mean, I.
48:35
Speaker 2: Stated factory getting along and was massive because I get
48:41
Speaker 2: a condition with trying, and he came a long later on,
48:46
Speaker 2: and then they think it according to to health of
48:51
Speaker 2: dignity and anyway, because I mean I can get some more.
48:59
Speaker 2: That's I mean, it just got of makes sense. It
49:01
Speaker 2: proves my right.
49:05
Speaker 3: Okay. I had to bunk you back September thirty thirty
49:12
Speaker 3: September thirty because we're running at right now. Okay, I'm
49:24
Speaker 3: gonna give you two minutes to to speak. Then Cornell,
49:31
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give give you two minutes and then I'll
49:34
Speaker 3: wrap I'll wrap it up. I have a headache because
49:40
Speaker 3: everything I heard here I hear from me and from
49:46
Speaker 3: other states, all of you guys saying the same thing.
49:49
Speaker 3: It's hard for you to get material from your own case.
49:55
Speaker 3: They stopping you, guys. O closing remark, Sebastian you. I'm
50:04
Speaker 3: happy you been September thirty, same time, give a little
50:09
Speaker 3: closing remark so we can yeah, go ahead, Okay.
50:16
Speaker 2: So, like I said, there's no DNA evidence, there's no
50:20
Speaker 2: video footage, there's linking me there except for my codependent.
50:25
Speaker 2: The admissed his involvement, the only thing, and then he
50:29
Speaker 2: tried to stay that he didn't do it. But there
50:31
Speaker 2: in my trial, the state tried to hide a Jamie Carraight.
50:35
Speaker 2: And once we we were messing for the same culture,
50:41
Speaker 2: put her on the stand and then extra i mean
50:45
Speaker 2: under the first degree murder, they came along and they
50:49
Speaker 2: changed mind what they were trying me as a law party.
50:53
Speaker 2: And the reason that they did this just because Jamie
50:55
Speaker 2: Contraight was Stephens Solica's friend. And she said on the
50:59
Speaker 2: stand that after he shows up the herd to her house,
51:04
Speaker 2: he said there in my father, he says. She said,
51:08
Speaker 2: I don't understand then about it. And when he came
51:11
Speaker 2: back off the show, she had something what was wrong,
51:14
Speaker 2: and he said he shot and killed Kennis. He said
51:18
Speaker 2: that I did it. He said that he shot kill
51:21
Speaker 2: Kennedy and then she asked him what and he let
51:24
Speaker 2: us and when he came back the second time. We
51:28
Speaker 2: actually the third time. Now they're saying that I did.
51:33
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna stick a pin right there because that
51:35
Speaker 3: right there, that right there, that's what we're gonna talk about.
51:41
Speaker 3: Corney your clothes.
51:43
Speaker 9: Yes, but anyone that's listening to the second tonight old
51:49
Speaker 9: actually used to have your boy children? What accent for you?
51:53
Speaker 9: The cent a petition question of police department to the city.
51:58
Speaker 9: Officials say, present to help us to get to the
52:04
Speaker 9: bottom of an issue that can affect anybody hollered lobby
52:09
Speaker 9: to be possible without a ser botherum. But any wants
52:13
Speaker 9: any detective to go your bank account and retreat all
52:17
Speaker 9: of your line stations out of your bank account for
52:19
Speaker 9: haunts having make them tickets like in the United States
52:23
Speaker 9: circul station as the commitments saying that there's no conversation
52:27
Speaker 9: without uh uh. There have no comprescate without uh uh
52:32
Speaker 9: compensation and has to be competent to say for anything
52:35
Speaker 9: with your property does being compiscated when you bob see
52:37
Speaker 9: the official stay officials government and though officials.
52:40
Speaker 2: This has not happened.
52:42
Speaker 9: But this man, he has not been give any product.
52:44
Speaker 2: Polly the prophet that was taken.
52:47
Speaker 9: From him he has not thanks picketed for a crime
52:49
Speaker 9: that support the fact they're confiscating is profited from him.
52:53
Speaker 9: So anybody that's listening to this segment, even if your
52:56
Speaker 9: anteoni a real area, will acting for you to come
52:58
Speaker 9: of type to lose you for any report of a
53:01
Speaker 9: new station of thankful the news report of anybody who
53:05
Speaker 9: can help us pat to the bottom with us to
53:06
Speaker 9: find out a water property. If you take from while
53:10
Speaker 9: you're accuse and take it mother, he is not actually
53:14
Speaker 9: help but father helping MP here another thank you very
53:19
Speaker 9: much having me on the show the nights, and I
53:22
Speaker 9: was enough to be here on September thirty, So thank
53:25
Speaker 9: you m Smith, but allow me this opportunity to be
53:28
Speaker 9: on your show. Thank you very much.
53:30
Speaker 3: You quite well mm hmm, well you know, hold on,
53:35
Speaker 3: don't don't you guys just yet uh Sebastian perst of all,
53:42
Speaker 3: I would like to thank you for your service. My
53:46
Speaker 3: heart goes out to you. You should not have to
53:48
Speaker 3: go and serve, yeah, and then come back and fight
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Speaker 3: for your freedom. And I see that in just I
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Speaker 3: hear it in just because I hear it time at
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Speaker 3: the time for men all over they all saying the
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Speaker 3: same thing. All of them don't have anything that's high.
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Speaker 3: You can read their cases as public records. Everything they say,
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Speaker 3: it's true. We have a corrupt system and we need
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Speaker 3: to voice our opinion. We need to stand up. Enough
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Speaker 3: is enough, as I just read what gave me the headache,
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Speaker 3: the reading that Texas have between three thousands until nine
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Speaker 3: thousand men and women currently incarcerated on wrong for convictions,
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Speaker 3: wrong for conviction. Let me go ahead, but it's just
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Speaker 3: gonna make me even matter, you know, I think guys
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Speaker 3: for joining us on this evening, join me again on
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Speaker 3: September thirty, when Sebastian will be back. But I have
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Speaker 3: another show coming up on I believe the twenty fourth
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Speaker 3: of September or the twenty third, one of the days
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Speaker 3: I will post it when we talk about Marcella Hell.
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Speaker 3: He's a man coming out of Missouri, Missouri. Course had
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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court and don't have to deny him from
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Speaker 3: being executed a state they want to execute que an
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Speaker 3: innocent man next week. I believe one of twenty fourth
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Speaker 3: the state of Missouri, Missouri. DNA shows that he was
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Speaker 3: not the person that did it, and they still want
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Speaker 3: to execute him. My heart goes out to each and
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Speaker 3: every man and won't and that's facing a rocal conviction.
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Speaker 3: As you guys already.
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Speaker 2: You know that I have.
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Speaker 3: My husband is incropercerated and he's quiting a wrong for conviction.
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Speaker 3: And that's why I'm out in Denver visiting him this weekend.
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Speaker 3: I am a very private person. I don't let a
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Speaker 3: lot of my information out. But in order to be
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Speaker 3: to applicate on his behalf and the other men and
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Speaker 3: women that reach out to me, I have to let
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Speaker 3: you know that this is what is personal. I'm going
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Speaker 3: to be a voice for them. So with this say,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to end my show with this. Always employ
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Speaker 3: your voice for construction, construction purpose or be or to
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Speaker 3: represent a voiceless even if it's shaking, as you see
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Speaker 3: my voice be shaking, and and I hope I represent
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Speaker 3: and the people for there where you guys can get
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Speaker 3: the message and for you who they sayer where you
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Speaker 3: just mentally, I have this to say to you, stay
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Speaker 3: dehydrated and concentrate on your journey. If you don't have
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Speaker 3: nothing to say, to say good at all, if you
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Speaker 3: don't have nothing to contribute or to come up with
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Speaker 3: a call to help us fight this and justice just
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Speaker 3: drink your water and stay your lane. With that being said,
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Speaker 3: I love you guys. Enjoy the rest of your week
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Speaker 3: and I will see you again. Well, let's talk about it.
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Speaker 3: Have a good week, Let's talk about it. What's your hope?
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Speaker 8: Sett Johnson, join me every first and third Monday of
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Speaker 8: the month at eight pm Eastern Standards time, and let's
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Speaker 8: talk about it.
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Speaker 2: Will you, oh person?
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Speaker 3: All things ain't what things us to be?
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Speaker 1: Where did all the blue sky that's fo Allas blows