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The Kenny Report | 16 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: The two leaders go head to head tonight as the
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  Speaker 2: election campaign enters the second half. I'll show you just
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  Speaker 2: how the government's fatal flaws are just not getting the
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  Speaker 2: attention they deserve. Defense dealings between Russia and Indonesia. The
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  Speaker 2: Albanese government is keen to play them down, but what's
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  Speaker 2: really going on?
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  Speaker 1: While the coalition hates the.
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  Speaker 2: MAGA references, Pauline Hansen embraces the Trump slogan I'll speak
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  Speaker 2: with her live. All that plus a bit of Wednesday wrangling,
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  Speaker 2: including claims that the ALP president tried to hide the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he and labor ministers were in the Quantas
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  Speaker 2: chairman's lounge. Let's get into it. We're into the second
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  Speaker 2: half of this election campaign. We're about to go into
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  Speaker 2: the easter to break, and then there's the ANZAC day
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  Speaker 2: long weekend. So the campaign has been lackluster and superficial,
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  Speaker 2: and there'll be plenty of distractions right up till the
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  Speaker 2: final week. The polls are stuck in the mire, with
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  Speaker 2: historically low levels of support for both major parties, and
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  Speaker 2: many people say vote for the Greens. The Teals one Nation,
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  Speaker 2: the Trumpet Mob and other fringe dwellers, misfits and stirers,
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  Speaker 2: and all this points to disaster for this country. At
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  Speaker 2: a time of enormous economic challenges and strategic threats, we
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  Speaker 2: look like getting a messy hung Parliament which would most
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  Speaker 2: likely turn into a Labour, Greens and Teals alliance, accelerating
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  Speaker 2: the disastrous economic and climate and energy policies of recent times.
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  Speaker 2: There's a second leader's debate on the ABC tonight and
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  Speaker 2: it's another chance for Peter Dutton to create momentum to
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  Speaker 2: try to turn the tide.
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  Speaker 1: The margins are.
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  Speaker 2: So tight that the election can still swing either way
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  Speaker 2: over the next seventeen days. But remember people will start
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  Speaker 2: voting from Tuesday, and perhaps as many as half the
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  Speaker 2: votes will be cast before polling day.
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  Speaker 1: So the urgency is here. The arguments need to be
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  Speaker 1: won now.
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  Speaker 2: And we could bang on all day, of course about
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  Speaker 2: how the coalition might have done this or that differently,
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  Speaker 2: how they could have offered more on fundamental tax reform,
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  Speaker 2: on labor market reform, on defense policy, or how they
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  Speaker 2: never should have signed up to net zero.
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  Speaker 1: And all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 2: But let's face it, the media in this country is
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly biased to the green left. It's dominated by the
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars a year broadcasting Bayer Moth at the ABC,
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  Speaker 2: which is to objective political debate what under arm Bowling
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  Speaker 2: was to.
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  Speaker 1: Trans Tasmin relations.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's the former Fairfax Newspapers, painfully green left or
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  Speaker 2: teal in their positioning, a plethora of leftist websites like
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  Speaker 2: The Guardian Australia and criche. And then the Canberra Press Gallery, which,
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  Speaker 2: apart from some news corp leaders, is swamped by journalists
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  Speaker 2: with a green left disposition, divorced from mainstream Australia and
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  Speaker 2: hell bent on keeping up with fashionable views and impressing
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  Speaker 2: their comrades rather than their audiences.
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  Speaker 1: So the Coalition is on a hiding to nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It either has to confront them all at once and
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  Speaker 2: argue hard all day every day, which frankly is what
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to see more of, or they have to
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  Speaker 2: try to pick their way through this maze, choosing their
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  Speaker 2: battles and trying not to fight on too many fronts
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  Speaker 2: at once, which is what they've been trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: And the point here is that the coalition parties are
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  Speaker 2: being picked to death.
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  Speaker 1: By minor parties. They've got the political.
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  Speaker 2: Con artists of the tills luring away the so called moderates,
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  Speaker 2: the sort of soft left liberals who.
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  Speaker 1: Think they can have it all.
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  Speaker 2: You know, strong governments and strong economies, but pretty climate
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  Speaker 2: brochures and politicians that don't get criticized at dinner parties.
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  Speaker 2: And at the conservative end of the spectrum, they lose
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  Speaker 2: votes to one nation and now to the trumpet of
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  Speaker 2: patriots types who want to import Trumpian politics to Australia,
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  Speaker 2: which is a grave misreading of Australian people and Australian politics,
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  Speaker 2: and of course only damages the coalition. Yet with all
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  Speaker 2: this going on, we come back to one fundamental truth,
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  Speaker 2: and that is that we have a weak government doing
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  Speaker 2: the wrong thing by our country, and history and raw
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  Speaker 2: politics tells us it can only get worse in a
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  Speaker 2: second term. So this is dangerous for our country. Whatever
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  Speaker 2: the difficulties for right of center politics, voters need to focus.
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  Speaker 1: On the main game.
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  Speaker 2: And if you agree with the proposition that Albanizi is
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  Speaker 2: out of his depth, the government spending is growing like tops,
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  Speaker 2: that immigration is out of control, that we have squandered
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  Speaker 2: our cheap energy advantage, that wokeness is undermining our culture
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  Speaker 2: and that we are displaying weakness on national security, anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism and foreign policy. Then you need to vote for
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  Speaker 2: the coalition parties, the Liberals or the Nationals. Voting til
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  Speaker 2: is a vote for Labor and the Greens, and protesting
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  Speaker 2: with a vote for one nation or the Trumpets or
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  Speaker 2: Libertarians is only safe if you make sure that you
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  Speaker 2: preference the coalition candidates.
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  Speaker 1: Second, that's just the reality now.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to see how bad this government and
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  Speaker 2: its leader are, it's on display every day, even though
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  Speaker 2: most of the media hides it or makes excuses for it.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, listen to the Prime Minister yesterday on the
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  Speaker 2: reports about a defense deal between Russia and Indonesia. You
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  Speaker 2: keep saying you seek and information out this incident from Indonesia,
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  Speaker 2: but it sounds like you haven't heard.
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  Speaker 1: Back from India.
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  Speaker 3: We're seeking return to your poor No, we are seeking
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  Speaker 3: further information from Indonesia.
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  Speaker 1: As you're aware.
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  Speaker 3: As you're aware, I've been traveling from Hobart to here
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  Speaker 3: with you or on a different plane.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's just pafeittic to watch,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. It's his own plane, a government jet. It
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  Speaker 1: has communications.
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  Speaker 2: I used to fly on one just like it, back
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  Speaker 2: in the days when we had phones and faxes on board.
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  Speaker 1: I'm certain it's a little more high tech today.
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  Speaker 2: This bloke just does not have anything to say until
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  Speaker 2: someone writes a line out for him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, remember this from last year.
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  Speaker 3: We're hearing that an asylum secret boat has arrived off
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  Speaker 3: to the Western Australian coastline.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know anything about that?
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  Speaker 3: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
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  Speaker 3: advised about that.
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  Speaker 1: In the car that time. And then there was another
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  Speaker 1: one about the Middle East.
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  Speaker 4: Have you had any contact with Jarrangan and that that
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  Speaker 4: our following these strikes overnight?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: Hope.
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  Speaker 3: Well I've been here in Melbourne, so.
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  Speaker 1: No I have not.
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  Speaker 2: Look if you don't know, just say you don't know,
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  Speaker 2: Just admit you've got no idea. It doesn't matter whether
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  Speaker 2: you're in Melbourne or Mogadishu, whether you've been in a
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  Speaker 2: car or a hovercraft.
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  Speaker 1: You're expected to do your job and be on top
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  Speaker 1: of your brief.
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  Speaker 2: But then on the Indonesia and Russia issue, the PM
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  Speaker 2: seemed none the wiser today.
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  Speaker 3: I don't intend to run a complete running commentary.
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  Speaker 1: But what we do know.
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  Speaker 3: What we do know is what the Indonesian government have
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  Speaker 3: said themselves, which is that this has not been well.
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  Speaker 1: My question was to know about the request. I'll get well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not clear.
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  Speaker 3: What it's not clear what the you're assuming the change
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  Speaker 3: report is correct, and there is no basis for you
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  Speaker 3: assuming that secondly, second, second thing.
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  Speaker 1: A request was never made. We know that for sure
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  Speaker 1: that a request was not made. Is that what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'll like diplomatically with our friends in Indonesia,
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty worrisome state of affairs, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: And the opposition is on the attack.
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  Speaker 6: The fact is that when you have a foreign minister
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  Speaker 6: and a Defense minister and a Prime minister finding out
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  Speaker 6: about decisions from our friends and from countries abroad, when
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  Speaker 6: they find out about that on CNN or on Fox
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  Speaker 6: or whatever it is, you know that this government is
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  Speaker 6: not up to it. And that's why Australians realize that, yes,
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  Speaker 6: we do live in a precarious period and if we
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  Speaker 6: want to have strong relationships, we need to have open
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  Speaker 6: discussions and we need to make sure that the government
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  Speaker 6: is given forwarding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair point, and of course it's not
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  Speaker 2: the first instance. Remember when a virgin pilot had to
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  Speaker 2: tell them about China's live firing exercises. But incredibly much
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  Speaker 2: of the leftist media is trying to turn this issue
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  Speaker 2: into a problem for Peter Dutton, suggesting he's highlighted a
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  Speaker 2: non issue when it clearly is a strategic challenge for Australia.
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  Speaker 2: As I'll discuss with an expert later in the program,
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  Speaker 2: this is the hard reality that does not seem to
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  Speaker 2: have cut through to enough voters. As our country right
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  Speaker 2: now we face major dilemmas in difficult times.
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  Speaker 1: This election matters.
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  Speaker 2: The cost of living crisis, for instance, is not necessary.
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  Speaker 1: It does not have to be this way.
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  Speaker 2: Labor has created our electricity price and supply crisis with
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  Speaker 2: its renewables zealo. Sure, it's broken its promise to cut prices,
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  Speaker 2: but the soaring costs have driven up the cost of
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  Speaker 2: just about everything else as well. Labour's rampant government spending
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  Speaker 2: has fueled inflation and it's created a debt bomb for
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  Speaker 2: the nation. And Labor has lost control of immigration, bringing
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  Speaker 2: in record numbers of migrants hundreds of thousands more than
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  Speaker 2: even its own targets exacerbating.
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  Speaker 1: Our housing crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Yet listen to the Housing Minister today and it's all
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  Speaker 2: about blaming the Coalition and claiming that government is the answer.
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  Speaker 1: More government is the solution.
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  Speaker 7: Out of those ashes. Our government has built easily the
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  Speaker 7: boldest and most ambitious agenda on housing that a government
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  Speaker 7: has had in our country since the post war period.
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  Speaker 7: We're building more homes. Half a million homes have been
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  Speaker 7: built since we've been in government, and this has been
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  Speaker 7: helped by government policies such as free tape, trained half
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  Speaker 7: a million Australians in our areas of skills need for
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  Speaker 7: the country. We're working with the states to build one
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  Speaker 7: point two million homes for Australians and really importantly, our
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  Speaker 7: government is building fifty five thousand social and affordable homes
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  Speaker 7: for people who really need them.
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  Speaker 1: The truth is that government is the problem. Anyone who's
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  Speaker 1: built a house knows.
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  Speaker 2: That state governments haven't freed up enough land, and then
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  Speaker 2: the state taxes hit hard. Local government planning red take
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  Speaker 2: makes everything slower and more costly, and the federal government
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  Speaker 2: brings in more and more people looking to buy houses,
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  Speaker 2: but not enough of them who can actually help to
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  Speaker 2: build them because the unions don't want competition.
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  Speaker 8: We make no apologies that we cannot continue to bring
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  Speaker 8: in a million migrants over two years. We cannot continue
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  Speaker 8: a migration level at that elevated amount when we're building
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  Speaker 8: fewer homes. It's an undisputable fact. We are building fewer
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  Speaker 8: homes and so we have to bring down overseas migration.
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  Speaker 1: And only one party will do that. It's such an
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  Speaker 1: important issue.
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  Speaker 2: But just try getting the Prime Minister to take ownership
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  Speaker 2: of his own home ownership responsibilities.
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  Speaker 9: Do you accept any responsibility for the house in class?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it would be hard for their housing minister during
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  Speaker 3: the period of the former government to take responsibility because
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  Speaker 3: they didn't have one. U today responsibility because they didn't
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  Speaker 3: have one and they invested five billion dollars over a decade.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord, he's either in the car on the plane
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  Speaker 2: or just not responsible.
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  Speaker 1: I used to laugh at that. That just makes me weep.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is a great worry.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just remind you of a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: that highlight our country's problems. Unemployment is low, right, that's
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  Speaker 2: a good thing, except, of course, if that's only happening
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  Speaker 2: because of massive government spending, adding public servants in Canberra,
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  Speaker 2: and billions on an out of control NDS, draining our
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  Speaker 2: taxes and crowding out the private sector.
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  Speaker 1: Which is exactly what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of new jobs in this country are
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  Speaker 2: either directly with government or funded by government.
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  Speaker 10: A non market would be eighty three percent to eighty
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  Speaker 10: three percent of the employment growth in last year non
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  Speaker 10: market jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, this is unsustainable.
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  Speaker 2: This is living off the credit card, and it just
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  Speaker 2: means higher taxes for longer. We need private sector growth,
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  Speaker 2: private sector jobs, and increased productivity, but we're sliding in
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  Speaker 2: the other direction.
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  Speaker 1: Let me give you another example.
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  Speaker 2: Any examination of the engineering, economics, and practicalities of energy
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  Speaker 2: tells you two things. One is that getting to net
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  Speaker 2: zero will be impossible under the renewables plus storage model
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  Speaker 2: that labor is wedded to. It'll cost a trillion dollars, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but even then it.
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  Speaker 1: Won't be able to deliver the energy we need.
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  Speaker 2: So the second point is that the only way to
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  Speaker 2: get to net zero is to have nuclear energy in
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  Speaker 2: the mix. That's what the International Energy Agency says, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what about thirty of the world's largest economies are
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  Speaker 2: doing yet albineasy, Labor pretends that nuclear can can't be effective.
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  Speaker 2: Here To comprehend how ridiculous this is, just listen to
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  Speaker 2: what a Labor Prime minister and is conservative oppositions say
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  Speaker 2: in the UK right now.
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  Speaker 11: So this is a real game change, and when it
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  Speaker 11: comes to nuclear, it's part of a bigger story about
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  Speaker 11: clean power and making sure that we hit that clean
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  Speaker 11: power as we go forward.
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  Speaker 1: Nuclears are part.
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  Speaker 11: Of that and what that gives us, of course hugely
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  Speaker 11: importantly is lower bills stability because if we push on
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  Speaker 11: what you're doing within your sector, it means that we're
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  Speaker 11: in control of our energy. It's not subject to international volatility,
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  Speaker 11: and Putin can't put his boot on our throat.
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  Speaker 12: We know electricity demand is going to double by twenty fifty,
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  Speaker 12: or more than double by twenty We need all of
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  Speaker 12: this technology. We need nuclear, We need renewables, we need
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  Speaker 12: carbon captured storage, we need hydrogen. All of these things
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  Speaker 12: are absolutely essential and nuclear has a really really important
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  Speaker 12: part to play.
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  Speaker 1: This makes sense, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: But in Australia Labor pretends that nuclear is unworkable and
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  Speaker 2: too expensive. It is just absurd national energy self harm.
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  Speaker 2: Every day they delay the nuclear move in this country
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  Speaker 2: is another day our power prices go up and our
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  Speaker 2: energy security goes down. As long as the world has
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  Speaker 2: committed to getting to net zero, there is nothing surer
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  Speaker 2: than the fact that Australia will use emissions free nuclear power.
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  Speaker 2: The lack of intellectual integrity in our public debate does
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  Speaker 2: your head in Imagine how strong and prosperous our future
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  Speaker 2: will be with labour, greens and tel windmills and solar panels.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton faces our huge task over the next seventeen days.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to get this country to face up to
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  Speaker 2: a reality check, and he's got to do it quick.
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  Speaker 1: Smart.
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  Speaker 2: Let's sit down to Tasmania now and catch up with
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  Speaker 2: the One Nation founder and leader, Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 1: Pauline, good to talk to you. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start off as such a depressing outlook for this country,
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  Speaker 2: I reckon, Let's start off with some good news, a
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  Speaker 2: little human interest story. There've been lots of dynasties in
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  Speaker 2: Australian politics over the years, but it's pretty impressive to
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  Speaker 2: see you down there in the past day or so
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  Speaker 2: campaigning with your daughter trying to get Lee Hanson into
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  Speaker 2: the Senate representing Tasmania.
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  Speaker 1: How does that feel feel?
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely fantastic. She's been well received, Chris. We've moved from
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  Speaker 13: to the top of the state today. We're winned at
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  Speaker 13: the moment. We were in Hobat last night, had a
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  Speaker 13: meeting in Hobert, well attended, people really enthusiastic and really
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  Speaker 13: gretting behind her and supporting her. The election feels different
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  Speaker 13: this time than last time. With the election, there's a
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  Speaker 13: lot more ground swell support we're getting from community leaders,
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  Speaker 13: from people who are business people. They really want to
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  Speaker 13: get behind Lee and they want to see her elected
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  Speaker 13: in Tasmania because they they like the way she comes across,
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  Speaker 13: what she's got to say. But also we put out
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  Speaker 13: our policies in figurary.
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  Speaker 1: The people have had a.
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  Speaker 13: Chance to look at our policies and they said, yes,
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  Speaker 13: you are prepared to do something for Australia. We can
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  Speaker 13: reduce the budget by ninety billion a year and put
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  Speaker 13: forty billion back into the pockets of Australian And so
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  Speaker 13: we put out decent, common sense policies.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're always going to spreit one nation and why
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't you? And one nation's played an important role in
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  Speaker 2: state and federal politics now for more than twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the other minor parties, people like
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  Speaker 2: the Trumpet of Patriots, the Libertarians and the Teals all
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  Speaker 2: chipping away at the coalition vote. Do you worry that
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  Speaker 2: this is the end of right of center governance in
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  Speaker 2: this country or do you just think that the coalition
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  Speaker 2: parties are copying their Justice ERTs.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I think these well the coalition government. This is
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  Speaker 13: when I'm here in Chreas, is that people aren't happy
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  Speaker 13: with the leadership. And you know, I'm all for Peter
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  Speaker 13: Dutton be in the next Prime minister. We need to
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  Speaker 13: get rid of the Labor Greenstiel government because this we
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  Speaker 13: will absolutely be destroyed if they get another three years in.
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  Speaker 13: But that's where we're advising people to vote one nation
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  Speaker 13: number one and then put you know, your minor parties
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  Speaker 13: if you want to after that, but they'll drop out,
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  Speaker 13: but the vote will go to the Libs if we
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  Speaker 13: don't get up and win that seat. And it's most
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  Speaker 13: important in the Senate, Chris. We have to have us
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  Speaker 13: in the Senate where we can actually keep an eye
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  Speaker 13: on whoever is government so that there is accountability. We
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  Speaker 13: question the legislation, we make amendments to the legislation, and
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  Speaker 13: people are not happy with the coalition and some of
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  Speaker 13: the moderates that are in the party because they're getting
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  Speaker 13: away from the Conservative values and they're not happy with it,
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  Speaker 13: and that's why they're looking at one nation to vote
• 19:38
  Speaker 13: in this some next election.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I just want to remind you of something that just
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: into Nambijibber Price said in Perth last week, have a looked.
• 19:47
  Speaker 10: I'm so proud to be able to stand beside and
• 19:50
  Speaker 10: to ensure that we can make Australia great again.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Now, as you know, because that's you know, a Trumpian phrase,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: make America great again. Making Australia great again apparently is
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: a furfee and so all that brilliant actually media performance
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: by just sending an Ambajema Price on that day did
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: was draw fire from the left and labor that she's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: just a you know, she's Trumpian and the liberals are
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: trump Interestingly, you're not so squeamish on these things.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Here's your social media post.
• 20:22
  Speaker 13: Just Enterprise in a press conference come out and said
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: make Australia great again. Her fearless leader, David Little, Proud,
• 20:28
  Speaker 13: leader of the National Party in an interview said, oh
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: my god, it was a slip of the tongue.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: What give me a break.
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: I will scream it from the rooftops. Make Australia great again.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Hilarious.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether we've got it in here, but
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Johanna's Lenk did a fantastic cartoon for The Australian where
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: he had Anthony Albanizi's saying, well, listen to my promise.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I will never make Australia great again. Do you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You must understand though, why that trumpy and link is
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: damaging for the coalition right. It's kind of a hard
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: right link that can scare off middle Australia.
• 21:07
  Speaker 13: Oh what a load of rubbish, Chris. It is not
• 21:09
  Speaker 13: people out there are saying, I wish, I wish our
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: leaders will be more like Trump. You know what's he done.
• 21:14
  Speaker 13: He's come out and said he's protecting his industries, industry's manufacturing,
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: and he wants to rebuild the country. He wants to
• 21:20
  Speaker 13: get people in the workforce. And he's also come out
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: and says it's only two sexist male and female. What's
• 21:25
  Speaker 13: wrong with that. It's not about you know, following Trump,
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: It's about make Australia great again. You know, as I
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: travel this country, Chris, people are in dire straits. We've
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: got families living in carts, the homeless.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: That has happened.
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: I can't get the healthcare they want to. We haven't
• 21:38
  Speaker 13: got the doctors. They can't.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: You know, high.
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: Immigration, people are struggling. We've seen thirty thousand businesses go under,
• 21:45
  Speaker 13: industries and manufacturing going overseas, high electricity costs, pension is
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: in you know, doing it tough as his families are.
• 21:53
  Speaker 13: What is wrong with saying make Australia great again? And
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: I'll call on all my fellow Australians say it, be
• 21:59
  Speaker 13: proud to say it, and.
• 22:01
  Speaker 14: I'll keep saying it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: I'm not going to be again cowardtowing to this media outlets,
• 22:08
  Speaker 13: all the ABC, all the Labor Party who want to
• 22:10
  Speaker 13: say something, I'll say what I feel I always have done, Chris,
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: and I'm not backing away from anything.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You can't give into them otherwise they control everything you
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: say and think. Thanks for joining us, Pauline, though I
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, Pauline Hanson.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: They're down in Tasmania.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, there's the other MAGA slogan people are going
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: with that is make.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Alb and easy go away again. But there's nothing wrong
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: with making us straight our country great. I wouldn't mind
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it be as great as it was just about fifteen
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: years ago. Let's catch up with Bridget mackenzie. He's the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: National's Senate leader. She's joining us live from Brisbane.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Pretty keen to catch up with you again, Senattera, especially
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: on this this Indonesia Russia story. Now I'm speaking to
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: an expert later on, but there's definitely some smoke here
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and it's a concerning development that there's been these communications
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: of some kind between Russia and Indonesia. But the government
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: seems more intent on attacking Peter Dutton for calling it out,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: saying he's overreached on this, rather than on finding out what's.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Going on exactly.
• 23:12
  Speaker 15: Chris, and as your viewers will well be aware, in
• 23:16
  Speaker 15: the middle of an election campaign, we have caretaker provisions
• 23:19
  Speaker 15: that mean that both parties are able to seek briefing
• 23:23
  Speaker 15: so that both leaders, all the shadow ministers that are
• 23:28
  Speaker 15: in that specialist area can be across any given issue
• 23:32
  Speaker 15: at the time, particularly when it comes to national security issues.
• 23:36
  Speaker 15: We've been seeking an urgent briefing from Anthony Albanesi and
• 23:42
  Speaker 15: the departments responsible so that we can be across exactly
• 23:46
  Speaker 15: what has happened yesterday, what the government knows, and what
• 23:51
  Speaker 15: is in our national interest. And the government is not
• 23:56
  Speaker 15: providing those briefings. I mean, you've got the Defense Minister,
• 23:59
  Speaker 15: the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister more concerned about attacking
• 24:03
  Speaker 15: Peter Dutton personally than actually providing the alternative government in
• 24:08
  Speaker 15: this country with the appropriate information on which to base decisions.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And meanwhile, I was.
• 24:13
  Speaker 15: Absolutely uncalled for and yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And as someone who used to well, I was just
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: going to say, someone who used to be chief of
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: staff to the Foreign Minister, I can tell you that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: our embassy in Jakarta and in Moscow and our intelligence
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: agencies will be in overdrive at the moment trying to
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: find out exactly what's going on here, try and what
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: they've missed, and to try and dismiss it politically is pathetic.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Here's Penny Wong, actually the Foreign Minister on this issue,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: attacking Peter Dutton.
• 24:39
  Speaker 16: Peter Dutton is really too agro and too reckless to
• 24:44
  Speaker 16: the Australias Prime Minister, because the most concerning thing about
• 24:47
  Speaker 16: yesterday was the fact that he was willing to fabricate
• 24:51
  Speaker 16: a statement by the President of Indonesia in order to
• 24:55
  Speaker 16: make a domestic political point.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Just ridiculous too, Agro. I mean it's a hell's hell
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of a chore.
• 25:02
  Speaker 15: Chris, Yep, she says, making a domestic political chot comment right, Yes,
• 25:08
  Speaker 15: that's exactly what she just did.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and calls him agro.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: When with our current Prime minister makes excuses for China
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: having live firing exercises in the Tasman Sea and not
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: telling us I want to get back to domestic issues,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Labour keeps focusing on Medicare. The Prime Minister every day
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: pulls out his Medicare card.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And says that's all you never need.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You'll never have to pay a gap fee to see
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a doctor, while the doctors tell us differently.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 25:36
  Speaker 17: In many parts of Australia, we're seeing out of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 17: average out of pocket cost is just above forty dollars,
• 25:41
  Speaker 17: and so the twenty dollars extra incentive doesn't meet the
• 25:44
  Speaker 17: costs of providing that comprehensive care.
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: So there is there is still truth to the claim
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: that yes, you need a Medicare card, but you also
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: need a credit card and that'll continue.
• 25:54
  Speaker 17: It does depend. It's important that Australians get access to
• 25:57
  Speaker 17: that high quality, comprehensive care and for some people that
• 26:00
  Speaker 17: will still mean paying an out of pocket cost.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Look, it's great when people get bog build and when
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: there's mainly bulk building. It used to be higher under
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the Coalition, of course, but it's always the case that
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: for longer consultations and whatnot, if you want the doctors
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to give the extra care you need, sometimes have to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: be prepared to pay for it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 15: Absolutely, and some conditions are much more complex than others
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: and you do require additional time with your GP. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 15: think the concerning thing is under Labor we've seen one
• 26:32
  Speaker 15: and a half million Australians unable to access their GP
• 26:38
  Speaker 15: because of the increased cost. As you said, the bulk
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: building rates falling, and that is if you can actually
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: get into the GP. As we know in our out
• 26:46
  Speaker 15: of suburbs and regional areas, actually getting access to your
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: doctor is difficult, let alone being able to pay for it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So doctors a domestic issue.
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: That, yeah, absolutely, I mean healthcare should be a basic
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: right here. We have a universal healthcare system we're very
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: proud of where the envy of the world. Well, you
• 27:07
  Speaker 15: need to be able to afford it, and you need
• 27:09
  Speaker 15: to be able to get into a doctor and that's
• 27:11
  Speaker 15: what the coalition's plans wanted to deliver.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Senator Bridget mackenzie. They're live
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: from Brisbane.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break on the other
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: side of that will delve more into these dealings, these
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: defense dealings between Russia and Indonesia.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Talk to an expert about what's going on there now.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Indonesia has a short Australia that it won't allow Russian
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: planes to operate an air base on its soil. But
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: we're still none the wise as to whether Russia actually
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: made that request of our northern neighbor.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Here's Defense Minister Richard Miles.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Did Russia put the airbase on the table or not?
• 27:55
  Speaker 18: Well, I mean Russia. We know Russia is active in
• 27:59
  Speaker 18: the region, know that they have conversations with people. What
• 28:03
  Speaker 18: matters here and I'm not about to go through the
• 28:06
  Speaker 18: details of this in the media.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Quite an interesting answer that one. As I showed you earlier,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the opposition leader is on the attack.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: The fact is that when you have a foreign minister
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: and a defense minister and a prime minister finding out
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: about decisions from our friends and from countries abroad. When
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: they find out about that on CNN or on Fox
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: or whatever it is, you know that this government is not.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Up to it. Well, let's go to Peter Jennings then.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Not only he is he Director of Strategic Analysis Australia,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: he's also a former Deputy Secretary for Strategy at the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Defense Department. Good to talk to you again, Peter. Firstly,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: give us the background to this, because you're saying it
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: hasn't come out of the blue that the Russia has
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: been courting Indonesia in defense terms in the region.
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: Oh yes, for quite some period of time. In fact,
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: Russia is the biggest supplier of particularly aircraft, but also
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: other defense equipment to the Indonesian military. And interestingly enough,
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: Indonesia's new president Proboo Subianto, he's now been in power
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: for about six months.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Chris.
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: After he was elected, but before he was sworn in,
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: he made one of his first international trips to Moscow,
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: met with Vladimir Putin, talked about how he wanted to
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: have a closer relationship with Russia, and then in January
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: this year, Indonesia joined the Bricks, which is a gathering
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: of mostly developing countries, but really led by Russia looking
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: for more economic opportunity. Indonesia wants Russian oil, Russia wants
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: Indonesian commodities. So there is a relationship which is deepening
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: very quickly, and it has a strong military dimension to it,
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: which has been around for years but getting more intense.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But Indonesia's been a strong player in this non aligned movement,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: hasn't it. So we wouldn't be expecting there to be
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: any sort of military alliance on offer here.
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: Well not formally, but you know there are many ways
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: diplomatically to square those particular circles. So you know, Indonesia has,
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: for example, in Indonesian diplomats have said that you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: there's not going to be a Russian base on Indonesian soil. Well,
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: maybe it'll be a joint facility, maybe it'll be an
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: Indonesian base, and it just so happens that the Russians
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: are able to use it. In fact, Chris and the
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: ad break that we've just had, I've now seen there's
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: been confirmation coming out of the Russian embassy in Jakarta
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: that they were indeed talking with the Indonesians about establishing
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: a military facility. Now it's within Indonesia's power to say no,
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: but it's undeniable that these conversations are going on, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: I think President Subiantario has got a strong interest in
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: wanting to get closer with Moscow.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason.
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: It might sound a bit strange to our listeners, but
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: nevertheless that's that is an Indonesian priority and it has
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: been for some time.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll come back to those reasons at the moment.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Just I was going to say that from what you've
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: been saying, and you just confirmed it by the latest
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: news sources of your check, you're speaking as if this
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: very likely that this would have been raised. And therefore
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: in the political debate here they're climbing in to Peter
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Dutton for making too much of it. Well, obviously it
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: is a significant issue because it sounds like Russia has
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: been looking to get this sort of access to Indonesian territory.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So just back to the strategic reasons for this. Would
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Indonesia be doing this because Russia is a bit of
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a hedge for them against China in the region, or
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: is China involved in this?
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: I think there is a chance that China is involved
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: in this in the sense that, of course we have Chris.
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: You know the very close partnership between Putin and China's
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: leader Shijinping.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: In fact, the two leaders that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: The leader that g knows most in the world is Putin.
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: He's met him at least forty times, and they have
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: their so called no limits partnership. And it may well
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: be that what's happening here is that Russia is doing
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: China a favor, or China has asked Russia to do
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: it a favor establish a military facility in Indonesia. The Chinese,
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: because of reasons of their own history with Indonesia, would
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: struggle to do that. But no one would benefit more
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: than China for having some Russian heavy bombers situated just
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: a couple of hours flight away south of Guahama, of Guama,
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: that major American military base in the Pacific.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: We're nearly out of time.
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: What we're seeing is a joint action.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a worry. Just we're nearly out of time.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: If you give me just a quick hit in case
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: anybody's unsure as to why this should be of great
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: concern to Australia.
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: Well, it's a short jet flight to Darwin where we
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: have a growing Australian military presence.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: You know, Russian aircraft.
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: Bombers in this part of the world that is a
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: nightmare for Australian defense planners.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks so much, Peter, I really appreciate it. Peter
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Jennings there from Strategic Analysis Australia. This is a big
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: and important issue. So don't believe those labor ministers and
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: apologists scoffing at Peter Dutton for raising it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: It's a massive strategic issue in our region. It should
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: be front and center. We're going to take another break.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll get back into domestic politics
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: and the teals their promise of integrity and accountability.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: See what Dave Sharma makes of all that.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Now, we've got to keep our focus on those tills,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the high and mighty politicians who promised honesty, integrity and accountability.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I showed you on Monday how Wentworth MP Alegraspender was
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: caught out paying social media influences to pump up her
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: tires as part of paid political content which wasn't declared.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Here's a reminder.
• 34:00
  Speaker 19: An independent MP for a day in Parliament and it
• 34:02
  Speaker 19: flipped what I knew about Aussie politics on its head.
• 34:05
  Speaker 19: Meets a legraspender. Not a career politician. She's a wicked
• 34:08
  Speaker 19: smart economist, mother, a daily five K queen and works
• 34:12
  Speaker 19: in line with the values of her constituents who are
• 34:14
  Speaker 19: real working people and now fights, I mean fights for
• 34:17
  Speaker 19: actual climate action, political integrity and lawering costs of living.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: She's chill, a daily five K queen. You can't buy
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: publicity like that, can you? Actually you can.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: These so called influences now have been forced to do
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: what they should have done in the first place, what
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: a legro spender of the TILL should have done. That
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: is included a declaration on the post saying this content
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: was made as part of a paid partnership with Allegra Spender,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: but the.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Till MP standing firm. She says she doesn't have to apologize.
• 34:44
  Speaker 20: Have a look, I'm not going to apologize for finding
• 34:48
  Speaker 20: new ways to connect with young people and for fighting
• 34:50
  Speaker 20: for their future on issues like housing, climate change, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 20: mental health. Doing politics differently means changing the status quo.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: No.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Doing politics differently means you not declaring companies on your
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: register of members interests. It means you having social media
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: influences that you pay not telling people that it's paid
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: advertising extraordinary.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, remember, of course, Monique Ryan. There we go again,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: doctor Monique Ryan.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: She couldn't form a view on this in that excruciating
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: ABC interview.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: You'd have to give that some thought.
• 35:28
  Speaker 21: Well, I would think that it would be clear.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'd have to give it
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: some thought.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Well, she's had a few days to think about it,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: maybe did a brainstorming session with her staff as she
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: came up with a statement saying, having had the opportunity
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: to look at the issue.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: As to whether you declare something's paid for or not,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: she reckons the.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Australian Electoral Commission's statement that influencer content paid for by
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: politicians should be clearly labeled is something.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: She now agrees with. Just extraordinary.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Liberal Senator for New South Wales,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Dave Sharma.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Live from Sydney. This is just extraordinary, this stuff.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: When you're into integrity and honesty and accountability, nothing could
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: be more obvious that when you pay someone to promote
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: you as a politician, you declare it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 22: What we've seen from these tails is they're simultaneously sanctimonious
• 36:29
  Speaker 22: and holy hypocritical. They demand high standards from everyone else,
• 36:33
  Speaker 22: and they fail to meet the very low standards they
• 36:36
  Speaker 22: set themselves. I mean, we've got a legra spender paying
• 36:39
  Speaker 22: for influencers to promote her content without declaring it as such.
• 36:42
  Speaker 22: We had her failing to declare a directorship of seven
• 36:45
  Speaker 22: companies until it was brought to her attention by the
• 36:47
  Speaker 22: Daily Telegraph just earlier in the week. We had paid
• 36:50
  Speaker 22: contractors trying to put her political material on the fences
• 36:54
  Speaker 22: of a school in her electorate, I mean, in violation
• 36:56
  Speaker 22: of the school's policies, and also putting them up on
• 37:00
  Speaker 22: power poles in violation of oscard's policism. And they seem
• 37:02
  Speaker 22: to think the rules do not apply to them.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Chris extraordinary.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yet, as you say, their campaigning is all about integrity.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It's climate and its integrity. Here's the sort of stuff
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: they say.
• 37:14
  Speaker 21: Democracy is under threat globally and what we acknowledge is
• 37:17
  Speaker 21: a post truth world speaker, we can combat cynicism and
• 37:21
  Speaker 21: disbelief only by committing to openness.
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: And you've told me you want more integrity in politics,
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: you want protections for our whistleblowers, you want to ban
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: gambling pads and you want to see better behavior in
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: our parliament from our leaders in our country. These are
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: the priorities you've told me that are important and this
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: is what I fight for.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the sanctimony they go on with.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: U should point out, of course it was a legor
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of spender who defeated you in the seat of Wentworth,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: but that means you know what they throw you no feelings,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: but the point is right. They talk also about grassroots
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: politics and getting the big money out of politics. They
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: have the biggest spending campaigns in the country, some of
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: them spending upwards of two million dollars on the individual's
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: seat campaigns. That must be almost impossible for others to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: come up against.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And it's often.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Supplied by billionaires and millionaires, big big corporate interests.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 38:19
  Speaker 22: I mean, you know Manecro and Analegua spend down. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 22: think possibly one or two others spent over two million
• 38:24
  Speaker 22: dollars in the last election campaign. All the evidence suggests
• 38:27
  Speaker 22: they're on track to spend a similar amount of money.
• 38:31
  Speaker 22: Here they are talking about they want better behavior from politicians,
• 38:35
  Speaker 22: but you know they're violating OSGAR rules. They're violating AAC guidelines.
• 38:39
  Speaker 22: They're failing to comply with the Register of Interest. I
• 38:41
  Speaker 22: mean all the norms that are already there and the
• 38:44
  Speaker 22: rules governing parliamentary behavior. They're flouting openly, and yet they
• 38:49
  Speaker 22: have the hutzba to say that they are for better
• 38:51
  Speaker 22: behavior in politics.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: It's astonishing, it is astonishing.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate it. Dave Shama,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Senator for New South Wales, got.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: To get to a break.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll get into the Wednesday wrangle.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about how there are claims that the ALP
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: federal president, that's Wayne Swan, the former treasurer, that he
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: tried to hide the fact that he and labor ministers
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: were in the QUANTUS chairman's lounge.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the Wednesday wrangle this week.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Deneica de Giorgio, hosts of The Deneka
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and James and Too Many.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Shows going to be host of this show too, don't
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you worry about that?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: And Joe Hildebrand late debate co host as well.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Good to have you both here. Let's debate the debate.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: It's yes, big night completed, Dutton, isn't it he's really
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: got to make a hit here. We're into the second half, yes,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and there's no real key momentum for him at all
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the campaign.
• 39:46
  Speaker 23: No, it is trouble. I mean you've got to sort
• 39:47
  Speaker 23: of feel for the guy because the government does seem
• 39:50
  Speaker 23: to be getting all the momentum. Albow really just needs
• 39:53
  Speaker 23: to not screw up for the next couple of weeks
• 39:55
  Speaker 23: and it's hard to see how how we could lose
• 39:58
  Speaker 23: this thing. But Peter Dutton, I think, really needs to
• 40:02
  Speaker 23: sort of crash through. If he can come away with
• 40:04
  Speaker 23: people saying he's won the debate, I think that might
• 40:07
  Speaker 23: put a bit of peppery step. I think the opposition
• 40:10
  Speaker 23: campaign just need confidence as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I disagree that Albo's got momentum. I just think he
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: hasn't made any mistakes and he's sort of muddling along
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: all right. But it's a win and government. You've got
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: to get momentum from opposition and Peter Dutton hasn't had that.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: How did a month ago? Hasn't had it in.
• 40:25
  Speaker 14: The campaign He hasn't, but there hasn't been that short
• 40:28
  Speaker 14: sharp messaging and the real focus on cost of living
• 40:30
  Speaker 14: when you think it took one week Chris, one week
• 40:32
  Speaker 14: for him to get to a petrol station to sprout
• 40:34
  Speaker 14: the tax that his fuel plan, and that's a probably.
• 40:37
  Speaker 14: He should have been there from day one. He should
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: be the face at every single petrol station in this country.
• 40:42
  Speaker 14: He really needs it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Added Booth.
• 40:43
  Speaker 14: I thought he did a very good job on the
• 40:44
  Speaker 14: Sky News Leader's debate on I thought he dominated it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: But tonight he's got to get that message short and sharpened.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: To the point. What do we know about the format?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Do we think it's going to be a little bit
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: more direct contact between the two of them.
• 40:56
  Speaker 23: I think it'll be much more boring than the Sky
• 40:59
  Speaker 23: quite Frank said. It's going to be very very dull,
• 41:03
  Speaker 23: I think. And whether that will favor Peter Dutton or
• 41:07
  Speaker 23: the Prime Minister, I'm not sure. You can probably expect
• 41:09
  Speaker 23: more policy detail the people's forums. It's all about that connection,
• 41:12
  Speaker 23: that connection with the voters and the audience in your room.
• 41:15
  Speaker 23: This will be a bit more pointy.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Head spears it.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: The ABC will be running the ABC issues presumably, I
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: don't know climate change.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Or whatever we will see.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Speaking of petrol stations, I want to get your thoughts
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: on this to Nika, have a look at this question
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: from a journalist at the Press of Today.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Faduring your campaign launch, your Nationals leaders spoke extensively about
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: how much of a man you were. Your deputy opposition
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: leader spoke and gave o to the boys in Blue
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: and the tradees. You talk about mining, construction, agriculture and
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: as you've been the four killers of the economy. In
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: your own campaign launch speech you mentioned women twice, and
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: that was in relation to how you protect them from
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: domestic violence and crime. A lot of your campaign has
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: been at petrol stations. You've been in trucks. You when
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: you speak about female dominated industries like education, you talk
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: about the work agenda. What are you offering modern working women.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just staggered out. I don't know who there was.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: It's all this anti woman attack on Dutton advocate.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Apparently petrol stations are sexist. Now what women don't put petrol.
• 42:17
  Speaker 14: In the bron please petrol truck men do truck Always
• 42:22
  Speaker 14: at a truck.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Be allowed to drive. I mean, surely we can all
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: agree on that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: I don't know who that journalist is, but all I
• 42:28
  Speaker 14: can say is looking at Peter Dutton's face is probably
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: thinking where.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: On earth is this going.
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: As a woman myself, I find that highly offensive. That
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: is offensive. That is absolute what a load of nonsense.
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: I can put petrol in my own car, thank.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: You very much.
• 42:41
  Speaker 14: If I want to fill up my tank.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I can do that. Have you ever been in a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: truck No, I haven't been. You ruined, You ruined my devinsion.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I wanted you to tell.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Me you had a full articulated truck drivers.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: But I mean, that's just ridiculous.
• 42:55
  Speaker 14: It is come on the moment they're trying to get him.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: That's what you're up against it. Now, let's go to
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: another aspect of the campaign. Harry Dutton, Peter's trade Sun
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: has figured a couple of times this week.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: Here is I am saving up for a house, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: so is my sister back and a lot of my mates.
• 43:12
  Speaker 16: But as you've probably heard, it's almost impossible to get in.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Now, Joe, you've written about this.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Now I must admit that after he did this, there
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: was a lot of media fuss about whether Peter Dutton
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: wouldn't and his wife Curly wouldn't be helping him out.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: This kid.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: They've got plenty of money that to help him out
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: with a deposit At first I thought, honestly, there's the
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: media again going down.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: But I suppose once you put.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: A sum up in the campaign, you're inviting all that
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: sort of scrutiny, aren't you.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:38
  Speaker 23: I mean I certainly didn't want to have a go
• 43:39
  Speaker 23: in any way at Harry or the Dutton family at all.
• 43:42
  Speaker 23: I know politicians and I know their families very very well,
• 43:46
  Speaker 23: have done so for many years, and quite frankly, they
• 43:48
  Speaker 23: suffer enough as it is people I've been going to.
• 43:50
  Speaker 23: But I think what it strains, rather than just sort
• 43:52
  Speaker 23: of having him on the campaign drap, this is my son.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I love him very much.
• 43:55
  Speaker 23: You know, we never get to see each other because
• 43:56
  Speaker 23: politicians don't. It's really cruel the way it keeps you
• 43:59
  Speaker 23: away from your family, and they're spending as much time
• 44:01
  Speaker 23: together as possible. What was strange was that he sort
• 44:04
  Speaker 23: of became this kind of case study for the housing
• 44:06
  Speaker 23: crisis and again, and even if you were going to
• 44:10
  Speaker 23: say all right, well, fair enough, obviously as soon as
• 44:13
  Speaker 23: that happens. Probably the most famous thing about Peter Dutton
• 44:17
  Speaker 23: outside of politics is that he's board and sold about
• 44:20
  Speaker 23: twenty six properties and been very successful in the project.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: But he did it when he had nothing without any
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 44:27
  Speaker 23: Right, and absolutely good on him and for that, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 23: again I'm not having a go at him for that
• 44:31
  Speaker 23: and the slightest but clearly having him standing there when
• 44:35
  Speaker 23: he's on a wicked have almost half a million bucks
• 44:37
  Speaker 23: a year, when we know that he's had properties up
• 44:39
  Speaker 23: these and I think he's got rid of them now.
• 44:41
  Speaker 23: And then to have his son saying, oh, I can't
• 44:42
  Speaker 23: find a property for love or money. Yeah, well obviously
• 44:45
  Speaker 23: that question is going to come. Yeah, yeah, why don't
• 44:48
  Speaker 23: you have a response for it? So why wasn't a
• 44:49
  Speaker 23: campaign ready?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an unfair question though.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I mean parents shouldn't be expected to and most parents
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: can't provide a deposit.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: For the kid.
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: I just I think that Harry is a secret weapon
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: that he should have rolled out earlier. We need the
• 45:01
  Speaker 14: family on the campaign trail to try and that softening
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: of the image.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I want to show another secret labor weapon, but I
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: think this time more for the coalition. Have a look
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: at this photo that was put up on social media
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: by the Labor Party president. There he is on the right,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Wayne Swan. He's with Julia Gillad and Tanya plip. Notice
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: how the background has been wiped it out now all credit.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: To Mark Stefano. I think of the AFR who sort
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: of tracked.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Down with this photo now showed that this is the
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: original photo we showed.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: This is why he's whited it out, the one on
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the left that's the famous quantus and the cover up.
• 45:37
  Speaker 23: Harver up is always worse than the crime is that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: You know why I think they did that because they've
• 45:41
  Speaker 14: just come from the Labor Party conference where they're out
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: there spreading cost of living and they're housing policy, and
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: they're in the most exclusive lounge.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: And they just wipe it out.
• 45:54
  Speaker 23: It might have been whiting out albow going for a
• 45:56
  Speaker 23: peck on the cheek.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Look, before we wrap it up, we've got to share
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: some of this. Joe Biden's been out in the bout again.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 46:07
  Speaker 24: And I had never seen I had never seen hardly
• 46:11
  Speaker 24: any black people and Scranton at the time when and
• 46:13
  Speaker 24: I was only going on fourth grade, and I remember
• 46:17
  Speaker 24: seeing the kids going by at a time called colored
• 46:19
  Speaker 24: kids and a bus gone by.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, do you think they need to just put
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: him back wherever they found him?
• 46:25
  Speaker 23: Who is letting him out of the house, like, where
• 46:28
  Speaker 23: is the duty of care Joe Biden? How is he
• 46:31
  Speaker 23: allowed out in public? I mean he was he had
• 46:33
  Speaker 23: to be basically locked in his basement four years ago
• 46:36
  Speaker 23: for the previous campaign, and then he had to be
• 46:38
  Speaker 23: dumped as candid in the worst possible circumstances because he
• 46:41
  Speaker 23: couldn't be bad to be seen in public.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And now they're just letting him build him out the troubles.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: They willed him out and he thought it was nineteen
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: fifty nine. But thanks for joining us, guy, So thanks
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: for filling in on the wrangle. Janiaka to Georgia and
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrown. I just want to cross Dowt to Parramatta
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: catch up with Julia Bradley Scott neuwsed Political Report.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: It could talk to you, Julia. The site there in central.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Paramatta where the ABC has a bureau these days, trying
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: to get in touch with Western Sydney. That's where the
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: leader's debate will be on Live tonight.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: And is there any security there? They're apparently expecting protesters
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: there later on.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: That's the expectation, Chris. No protesters have gathered here at
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Paramatta Square just yet, but there is a pro Palestine
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: demonstration plan for tonight to coincide with this second leader's
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: debate which is being hosted, So no protesters gathering just yet,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: but there is quite a heavy police presence that I've noticed. Now,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: this second leader's debate, it's going to be a very
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: interesting one because it could really make or break this
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: campaign as we head into what will be a busy
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: period the next few weeks. Of course, we've got Easter,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: school holidays and Zach Day when messages could get more
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: muddled during that period.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: So tonight an.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Opportunity for both those leaders to have their messages cut through.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Now, presumably the leaders are not there yet. Presumably they're
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: doing their prep somewhere else, and they'll turn up closer
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: to the debate, which happens at eight o'clock. Do you
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: know if there's going to be any audience there or
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: there's just going to be the leaders face to face.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Now we understand that this is going to be quite
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: a different setup to that first leader's debate, which of
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: course was hosted by Sky News, the Sky News People's Forum.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: That format a really interesting one which does work election
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: on election because you have that room full of undecided
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: voters putting their questions to both leaders, highly unpredictable setting,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: all kinds of curly questions come out, whether they're ultralocal
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: or foreign or domestic or any of the like. But
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: this setup, it will be quite different. So to be
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: moderated to leaders side by side at podiums and they'll
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: be asked questions by the hosts. So interesting to see
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: whether a different leader comes out better in that kind
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: of environment. Last time around, it was Anthony Albanezi who
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: narrowly won that Sky News People's Forum, but of course
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: it was really close and still a lot of people underside.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: It's so interesting to see who really sings in this
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: different environment.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks Juliet. We'll see how that goes tonight.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Julia Bradley, they're out at Paramatta.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I just want to share some feedback from last night's
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: editorial on the ABC targeting senator just into Nawber. Jimper
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Price giving voice to this argument. I suppose that she
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: should seek permission before she goes anywhere in the country.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Sarah says, keep going, justin.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: That, don't give up. We've got your back.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Another viewer says, I'm white and I live in Perth,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: but now I need permission from the local Aboriginal people
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: before I can enter Bunbury, and another viewer says, Bunbury
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: is in Australia, nobody needs position permission to go there.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, spot on.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Why would you force just into Nam for jimper Price
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to get permission to go anywhere in this country? Now,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned that debates on tonight, you don't need
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: to watch it. Just tune in here at nine o'clock
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live. We'll have all the feedback and any
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: excerpts you need to see. I'll see you then. In
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the meantime, here's Peter Creblain.