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Voddie Baucham - God of Justice & Mercy Jared Longshore, Tom Ascol, Virgil Walker, Darrell Harrison · Voddie Baucham Sermons

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Speaker 1: Welcome, men, and justice and mercy.
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Speaker 2: It seems like that so often these things are pitted
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Speaker 2: against one another and how can God be just and
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Speaker 2: merciful at the same time? We have, we just talked
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Speaker 2: about in the last panel that the cross demonstrates that.
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Speaker 2: We see justice and mercy coming together and both being
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Speaker 2: fully put on display. But we've been hearing a lot
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Speaker 2: about justice over the last several years, especially in the
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Speaker 2: last year So much of the lawlessness that broke out publicly,
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Speaker 2: violently in our nation these last eight to ten months
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Speaker 2: or so has been justified in the name of justice.
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Speaker 2: You know, we are seeking justice, and no justice, no peace.
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Speaker 2: And because God is just, then Christians ought to be
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Speaker 2: pursuing justice, and we have had arguments, every one of
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Speaker 2: you guys, all of us up here, have had the
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Speaker 2: arguments put to us, accusations made against us that we
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Speaker 2: really don't care about justice and therefore we really aren't
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Speaker 2: seeking to live before God, for God in the world.
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Speaker 2: That we're content to just let things go unjustly in
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Speaker 2: the world and pretend that we still love the God.
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Speaker 1: Who is just.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll jump right in and say whatever happened
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Speaker 3: to mercy ministry?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 4: I mean, Y'all remember when you used to have mercy ministry?
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Speaker 4: It's like the justice has taken over. Justice is the thing.
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Speaker 4: And it's interesting to me, we have been speaking of
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Speaker 4: what's going on presently as a new religion. There really
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Speaker 4: is a new religion afoot. And that new religion is
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Speaker 4: very serious about justice, not true justice, right? They're serious
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Speaker 4: about their own form of justice, which is an injustice.
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Speaker 4: But they're very serious about, they're using the words all
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Speaker 4: of the time.
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Speaker 3: But there's no mercy there.
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Speaker 4: They don't have a, there's no mercy in what's going
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Speaker 4: on there, which is striking to me, which signals to
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Speaker 4: you something about the idol that's operating at the top,
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Speaker 4: or you could say at the bottom of that system.
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Speaker 4: It's not a, there's not a merciful God. Our God
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Speaker 4: is merciful, and.
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Speaker 3: He is just.
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Speaker 4: The God of this age, which we're seeing manifested in
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Speaker 4: these great cries for justice, is whatever that idol is,
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Speaker 4: doesn't have mercy.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right.
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Speaker 5: When we examine God, Justice and what's being labeled as justice,
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Speaker 5: it's shifted. You mentioned the God of this age. When
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Speaker 5: we were doing our research on the BLM movement from
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Speaker 5: one of our episodes, the beginnings of the movement were
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Speaker 5: on the back of the Trayvon Martin case. And what
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Speaker 5: was said in that instance was that justice was not served.
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Speaker 5: And what was meant by justice was not simply that
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Speaker 5: the issue had been properly adjudicated, that all of the
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Speaker 5: evidence had been brought to bear, that the decision was
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Speaker 5: somehow not landed upon from a standpoint of proper an
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Speaker 5: evidential basis or missing of the judicial process. But the
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Speaker 5: reason that injustice was done in their mind was because
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Speaker 5: the outcome did not correlate with what they thought was right.
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Speaker 5: And as a result, then they believed that injustice was afoot.
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Speaker 5: And as a result, a whole movement then began. And again,
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Speaker 5: my goal is not to dive head deep into just
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Speaker 5: that narrow sphere, but when you mention the God of
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Speaker 5: this age and what's going on in culture, What's meant
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Speaker 5: now by justice, it has nothing to do with justice.
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Speaker 5: It has to do with sinful partiality, right? It's outcomes-based.
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Speaker 5: It has nothing to do with an objective standard by
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Speaker 5: which to examine anything.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 6: I've found and the way that I've tried to help
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Speaker 6: people think about this is to show people that the
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Speaker 6: issue is not the question of justice. but the question
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Speaker 6: of injustice. I think there's agreement on the idea of justice,
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Speaker 6: but there's disagreement on the question of injustice. And in
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Speaker 6: a worldview that sees inequity as injustice, not inequality, right?
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Speaker 6: Equality says, you know, all of us are sitting on
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Speaker 6: chairs that are the same size, the same manufacturer. Equity
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Speaker 6: says that when we sit up, all of our heads
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Speaker 6: should be at the same height, right?
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Speaker 3: We're not catching up with Bodhi.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's just a way to illustrate the difference, right?
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Speaker 6: So that's what equity says. So that's why, for example,
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Speaker 6: to go back to Trayvon Martin, which is very interesting
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Speaker 6: because the argument is that the police are hunting and
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Speaker 6: killing black men, but the police didn't kill Trayvon Martin.
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Speaker 6: or Ahmaud Arbery, but their names still get lumped into
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Speaker 6: the whole deal. But the idea is disproportionate numbers, right? Therefore,
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Speaker 6: the individual facts of the individual case don't matter. They're irrelevant, right?
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Speaker 6: Because justice or injustice is about equity. And this is
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Speaker 6: all rooted and grounded in in a particular worldview, a
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Speaker 6: particular way of viewing things and analyzing things, a particular
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Speaker 6: set of assumptions, an oppressor-oppressed paradigm that then assumes that
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Speaker 6: whatever inequities are being experienced by a quote-unquote oppressed minority
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Speaker 6: has to be a direct result of the injustice of
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Speaker 6: the oppressive majority. And so that's why it often seems
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Speaker 6: like you're having two different conversations, right? Because when you're
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Speaker 6: talking about justice, well, justice would say, just like you said, right?
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Speaker 6: This needs to be adjudicated. The facts need to come out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 6: You only think that, they would say, because you don't
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Speaker 6: understand what the injustice is if you understood that the
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Speaker 6: injustice was the disproportionate, you see what I'm saying? Then
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Speaker 6: you'd understand we're having a completely different conversation and none
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Speaker 6: of that stuff matters. And so part of the problem
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Speaker 6: is that we haven't understood that we're dealing with a
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Speaker 6: particular worldview with a particular set of presuppositions And that
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Speaker 6: because of that, we're often having two different discussions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it becomes a real difficulty when Christians try
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Speaker 2: to enter into that discussion and they begin to acquiesce
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Speaker 2: to the presuppositions that are largely unstated.
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Speaker 1: And once you do that, game is over.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Tom, you're exactly right.
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Speaker 8: Matter of fact, Virgil and Vody have both touched on
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Speaker 8: something that I think is very important to this conversation. Tom,
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Speaker 8: to your point first, though, Virgil and I often reiterate,
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Speaker 8: and we're very dogmatic on the Just Thinking podcast, that
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Speaker 8: you run the danger as Christians to, when you adopt
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Speaker 8: and you embrace the language and the vernacular of the world,
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Speaker 8: you end up fighting that battle using the world's terms
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Speaker 8: on the world's turf. And you will lose that battle
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Speaker 8: every time.
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Speaker 7: Every time.
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Speaker 8: You must be rigid, fixed, and dogmatic to use biblical language,
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Speaker 8: biblical vernacular, and flip that worldly secular question, flip it
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Speaker 8: and interpret it into biblical terms, and then pose the
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Speaker 8: question back at them. Now, both Virgil and Vody have
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Speaker 8: mentioned the words, the facts of the case. They're both
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Speaker 8: absolutely right. The justice that is primarily talked about in
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Speaker 8: the world today is an outcomes-based construct, okay? If the
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Speaker 8: outcome of a situation or circumstance manifests itself as to
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Speaker 8: what I desired the outcome to be, then that's justice.
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Speaker 8: But if the outcome is other than what I desired
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Speaker 8: it to be, that's injustice. So it's outcomes-based. And I
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Speaker 8: want to challenge you this. Scripture gives us an amazing
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Speaker 8: example of what Votie, the distinction that Votie was just
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Speaker 8: making here, which is crucial. The distinction between equality and equity.
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Speaker 8: When you have a moment, go back to 1 Kings
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Speaker 8: chapter 3 and study the adjudicated situation that King Solomon
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Speaker 8: was involved with, with the two prostitutes who came to him,
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Speaker 8: each one of them claiming that the baby was theirs.
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Speaker 8: Here you have, talking about the facts of the case,
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Speaker 8: this is equity, biblical equity in action. Solomon tried to drive,
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Speaker 8: to ascertain.
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Speaker 1: What is the truth.
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Speaker 8: So first and foremost, justice is based on objective truth.
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Speaker 8: Objective truth. Ultimately, in that chapter, each woman had an
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Speaker 8: opportunity to state her case.
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Speaker 7: Obviously, one was lying, one was telling the truth, and in.
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Speaker 8: Order for Solomon to get to the crux of the matter,
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Speaker 8: which is, which of you is telling the truth, he
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Speaker 8: threatened to cut the baby in half. He asked one
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Speaker 8: of his servants, give me a sword the woman whose
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Speaker 8: baby it truly was reacted right they both reacted one
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Speaker 8: woman said yeah go ahead and cut the baby in
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Speaker 8: half now cutting the baby in half that's equality.
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Speaker 7: That's equality each.
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Speaker 8: Of you get half of a dead baby but you
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Speaker 8: each have the same volume of dead baby. So that's equality.
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Speaker 8: Equity is getting to the truth despite the outcome. Now Solomon,
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Speaker 8: adjudicating the situation with equity in mind, with truth in mind,
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Speaker 8: he obviously ended up making the correct decision. The outcome, however,
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Speaker 8: is that one of them went home without a baby.
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Speaker 8: The truth was gotten at. Equity was employed, but equality
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Speaker 8: was not. You still get justice. There was no injustice.
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Speaker 8: There was still justice, but justice doesn't mean that each
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Speaker 8: person involved, each party involved is going to get the
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Speaker 8: outcome that they deserve. So in God's economy, Truth is
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Speaker 8: what undergirds justice.
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Speaker 7: What is the truth, regardless of outcome?
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Speaker 2: And the question of mercy, I mean, your question, whatever
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Speaker 2: happened to mercy ministries? We don't like to talk or
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Speaker 2: hear much about mercy anymore. It's what we deserve. And
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Speaker 2: whenever you're talking about mercy, if you receive mercy, you're
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Speaker 2: admitting something.
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Speaker 1: I don't deserve this.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's helpful to to remind people regularly
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Speaker 2: that we live and breathe by God's grace and mercy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I will periodically or more than periodically say
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Speaker 2: when somebody says, how are you doing?
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Speaker 1: I say, I'm doing fine. I'm not in hell. You're right.
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Speaker 2: If we got justice, we'd be having this panel discussion
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Speaker 2: in hell because we all sin and that's what we deserve.
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Speaker 2: If we can get people thinking about that again, that.
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Speaker 1: Could be helpful in this conversation.
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Speaker 2: But again, it is offensive for folks to admit I
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Speaker 2: don't deserve this kindness, goodness, benefit that is being bestowed
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 1: I don't deserve to have my heart beat.
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Speaker 5: I think what we're seeing in culture today and it's
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Speaker 5: being drawn into even what we're experiencing inside the four
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Speaker 5: walls of the church is a lost culture. thought process
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Speaker 5: about that particular issue. No one's thinking about that. It's
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Speaker 5: all about me and my rights and what I deserve
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Speaker 5: and how historically speaking, my ethnic group, and in this instance,
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Speaker 5: they're gonna say a particular race, has been wronged. And
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Speaker 5: as a result of the wrong that's been done, I
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Speaker 5: now deserve equity. I now deserve something from someone else
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Speaker 5: so that I can experience equity. And I think that's
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Speaker 5: the real challenge, especially when we see it happening in
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Speaker 5: the culture. And to the degree that no one is
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Speaker 5: willing to challenge that, no one is willing to push
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Speaker 5: back against that, I think that's where we end up
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Speaker 5: finding the biggest source of the problems.
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Speaker 1: How do you deal with this pastorally? I mean, how
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Speaker 1: do you get people to think rightly about these things?
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Speaker 4: I like to read them the parable of the Pharisee
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Speaker 4: and the tax collector. And when I say read them,
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Speaker 4: I mean like read my own heart, that text first.
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Speaker 4: Because it's a, especially with all the justice talk, we
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Speaker 4: just get operating in that so often. We think that
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Speaker 4: the world's really just about justice, justice all the time.
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Speaker 3: Like law and order.
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Speaker 4: I think I said this in a sermon recently at Grace.
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Speaker 4: You know, we do need law and order. We certainly
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Speaker 4: need law and order. But if all you get is
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Speaker 4: law and order, we all go to hell. So you're
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Speaker 4: not going, you're not going to be.
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Speaker 3: With Jesus forever if all we get is law and order.
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Speaker 4: And so the Pharisee and the tax collector, of course,
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Speaker 4: you have the Pharisee who is thanking God that he's
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Speaker 4: giving God all the praise and all the glory for
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Speaker 4: not being like these other people. And so, you know,
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Speaker 4: you can sympathize with him because you're thinking, well, you know,
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Speaker 4: at least he's not there pounding his own chest saying,
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Speaker 4: I did it.
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Speaker 3: He's saying, I thank God.
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Speaker 9: God, I give you the praise.
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Speaker 3: I'm not like this. I'm not like this.
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Speaker 4: And then that tax collector that was just beating his
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Speaker 4: chest and saying, mercy me, a sinner and The tax
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Speaker 4: collector is the one who went home justified.
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Speaker 3: And we just need that truth.
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Speaker 4: Votie, last night, brother, I think it was last night,
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Speaker 4: when you did this line, I told somebody, cut me
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Speaker 4: to the quick about how dare we think that God
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Speaker 4: respond to us when we jerk his chain. I was like, wow,
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Speaker 4: how we can drift into that way of thinking. Like,
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Speaker 4: you know, I deserve, you know, I'm the The righteous man,
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Speaker 4: you read the Psalms, and the problem is you forget
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Speaker 4: that these Psalms are ultimately about Christ. He's the one
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Speaker 4: who remembered the law of the Lord. He's the one
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Speaker 4: who meditated on it day and night. He's the one
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Speaker 4: who didn't stand in the seat of sinners and sit
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Speaker 4: in the seat of scoffers. His delight was in the
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Speaker 4: law of the Lord. It is Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ.
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Speaker 4: We don't get any platform based on what we have done.
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Speaker 3: It really is mercy. You need to remember that.
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Speaker 7: You know, Jared, you think about the law. I think
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Speaker 7: as Christians.
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Speaker 8: there's a, there's a, there's a homology that goes along
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Speaker 8: with why the law in principle, why even the principle
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Speaker 8: of law exists.
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Speaker 7: But as the law exists.
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Speaker 8: In our 21st century society today, think about this. Laws
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Speaker 8: exist to protect sinners from other sinners. That's fundamentally why
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Speaker 8: laws exist.
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Speaker 9: Now, the.
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Speaker 8: Where mercy comes in, and Tom, I want to go
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Speaker 8: back to your question earlier when you talked about whatever
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Speaker 8: happened to Mercy Ministries.
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what happened to Mercy Ministries.
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Speaker 8: I'm thinking about a quote from Thomas Sowell's book, The
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Speaker 8: Quest for Cosmic Justice, where Sowell said, envy used to
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Speaker 8: be one of the seven deadly sins until it was
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Speaker 8: repackaged under its new name, social justice. So what's happened
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Speaker 8: with Mercy Ministries is that the church has embraced social justice.
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Speaker 7: Under the guise of mercy. Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 8: But what's happened is in embracing that ideology, that ideology
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Speaker 8: has replaced the biblical doctrine of mercy. So now everything's
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Speaker 8: a justice issue. Everything is a justice issue. Everything that
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Speaker 8: the church has done for 2,000 years, just in obedience,
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Speaker 8: as a matter of obedience and obeying God's commands, is
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Speaker 8: now a justice issue. So to get that back, Tom,
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Speaker 8: The church has to, again, be courageous enough to reject
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Speaker 8: the language and ideology of social justice and recapture the
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Speaker 8: biblical doctrine of mercy. John the Baptist said, right, we
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Speaker 8: are to do works in keeping with repentance.
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Speaker 7: We're not to just do works. We're to do works
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Speaker 7: in keeping with repentance.
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Speaker 8: That is what distinguishes biblical acts of mercy from from
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Speaker 8: simply worldly acts of social justice.
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Speaker 2: So where would you start in this conversation that continues
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Speaker 2: on still today and probably will into the next several years,
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Speaker 2: at least in the church, with we've got to do justice.
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Speaker 2: We've got to be sensitive to these who are telling
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Speaker 2: us that they have been treated unjustly. When they're operating
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Speaker 2: off of this worldview that you articulated, Votie, and their
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Speaker 2: metrics of justice are not the same as what the
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Speaker 2: Bible says. How do you begin to engage that in
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Speaker 2: a redemptive way?
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Speaker 6: I think we start with that 2 Corinthians 10, you know,
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Speaker 6: though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging
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Speaker 6: war according to the flesh. The weapons of our warfare,
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Speaker 6: they're not carnival, they're mighty, right? They're tearing down strongholds.
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Speaker 9: So what do we do?
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Speaker 6: We destroy arguments and lofty opinions raised against the knowledge
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Speaker 6: of God. And I think that's one thing that we
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Speaker 6: have to get back to, right? Number one, we destroy
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Speaker 6: arguments and lofty opinions raised against the knowledge of God.
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Speaker 6: So ideologies like, you know, critical theory, critical race theory, intersectionality, and,
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Speaker 6: you know, so on and so forth. These are arguments
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Speaker 6: that These are ideologies. These are opinions that are raised
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Speaker 6: against the knowledge of God. They present an alternative worldview,
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Speaker 6: a competing worldview, and they need to be destroyed in
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Speaker 6: the marketplace of ideas. They need to be obliterated in
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Speaker 6: the marketplace of ideas. We need to expose them for
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Speaker 6: what they are and deal with them rightly as they are.
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Speaker 6: But then there's a second piece. We take every thought
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Speaker 6: captive to obey Christ. and we've talked around this a lot,
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Speaker 6: and Founders has talked about this, and you guys have
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Speaker 6: talked about this in the Sword and Trial a lot.
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Speaker 6: One of the problems is we have this sort of
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Speaker 6: bifurcated view of reality. Like my spiritual life exists over here,
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Speaker 6: and the rest of my life exists over there.
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Speaker 9: And never the two shall meet.
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Speaker 6: God has something to say about this stuff over here,
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Speaker 6: but not necessarily this stuff over there. And we're not
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Speaker 6: taking every thought captive. So we don't think about our politics,
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Speaker 6: our education, our science, mathematics, our healthcare, all of those things.
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Speaker 6: We don't have a well-orbed, fully informed and developed biblical
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Speaker 6: understanding of these things. So not only are we no
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Speaker 6: longer confessional, right, but we're also no longer applicational in
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Speaker 6: that We just think that Christianity is for a certain
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Speaker 6: sphere of life and not every sphere of life. So
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Speaker 6: there are thoughts that we haven't taken captive and that
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Speaker 6: weakens us and puts us in the position to be,
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Speaker 6: you know, tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine,
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Speaker 6: which is what we're seeing right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I want to, I want to add to that a
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Speaker 5: couple of things from what, what Vody said. And part
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Speaker 5: of it is, is what I would see as next
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Speaker 5: steps for us in the church, practical steps to, to
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Speaker 5: addressing these kinds of issues. It was more than a
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Speaker 5: decade ago, Voda, you had coined the term ethnic gnosticism.
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Speaker 5: And I mean, the first time a lot of us
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Speaker 5: heard it, though a lot of us understood what that was.
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Speaker 5: We knew what that meant. We knew what you meant
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Speaker 5: by that. Okay, this is a black thing you wouldn't
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Speaker 5: understand type thing. That would be the language we would
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Speaker 5: use in the vernacular in cultural settings. And so we've
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Speaker 5: gone from that to experiencing in culture And ethnic antinomianism, right?
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Speaker 5: This idea that from a standpoint of if I have
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Speaker 5: the right.
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Speaker 9: Ethnicity, the law really doesn't apply to me.
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Speaker 5: And I'm going to now be able to tell you
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Speaker 5: how to adjudicate issues, situations, circumstances in the culture that
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Speaker 5: in my mind are just, right? So you've had ethnic Gnosticism.
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Speaker 5: We get this thing. And now ethnic antinomianism. Hey, the
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Speaker 5: law doesn't apply to me. I'm going to rewrite the
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Speaker 5: laws in the way that I see them so that
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Speaker 5: now there can become equity. And then from there, what's
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Speaker 5: happening now with ministries like Founders and others voting the
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Speaker 5: work that you've done, the stuff that we've done on
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Speaker 5: the podcast is we're seeing people get educated about these issues.
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Speaker 5: But we still have the ethnic Gnosticism that's taking place.
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Speaker 5: In other words, what's happening is people are still nervous
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Speaker 5: about the knowledge that they now have. So rather than
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Speaker 5: say anything about it, they'll say it in quiet circles
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Speaker 5: or they'll come up to you or I or one
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Speaker 5: of us and say, hey, everything you've been saying, brother,
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Speaker 5: that's exactly what I was thinking. And while that is
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Speaker 5: incredibly humbling. It's part of the step. The next step
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Speaker 5: has to be, I am now willing to stand on
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Speaker 5: my own two feet and declare what thus saith the
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Speaker 5: Lord from the scriptures because I don't adhere to any
22:30
Speaker 5: of that stuff.
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Speaker 9: And let me go back here.
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Speaker 6: You know, that term, ethognosticism, when I was trying to communicate,
22:38
Speaker 6: and I'm glad people have grasped that term, but the
22:42
Speaker 6: term is something I coined, but not the idea, right?
22:46
Speaker 6: I coined that term in order to explain one of
22:49
Speaker 6: the core tenets of critical race theory. This is from
22:52
Speaker 6: Terry also. This is one of the most quoted academic
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Speaker 6: sources on critical race theory.
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Speaker 9: And I think this is very important.
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Speaker 6: Critical race theory is not something that we just started
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Speaker 6: talking about. It's not a concept that we made up.
23:12
Speaker 9: We're not building a straw man.
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Speaker 6: There is a well-developed academic literature on what critical race
23:19
Speaker 6: theory is and what critical race theory does, right? And
23:25
Speaker 6: so Yasso's articles have been cited in academic journals and
23:31
Speaker 6: academic literature thousands of times, right? You get hundreds of
23:36
Speaker 6: citations as a scholar and you win it, okay?
23:39
Speaker 3: Okay?
23:41
Speaker 6: You write an academic paper and you get hundreds of citations.
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Speaker 9: You're winning.
23:45
Speaker 6: Yasso's got thousands of citations. So this is authoritative. This
23:49
Speaker 6: is not me. This is leading voice of CRT telling
23:53
Speaker 6: you what CRT believes on this issue. On the issue
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Speaker 6: of the centrality of experiential knowledge, that's Yasso's heading, not mine.
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Speaker 6: CRT recognizes that the experiential knowledge of people of color
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Speaker 6: is legitimate, appropriate, and critical to understanding, analyzing, and teaching
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Speaker 6: about racial subordination. Have you noticed that when we start
24:20
Speaker 6: talking about race, people are always talking about having a
24:24
Speaker 6: conversation about race? Not a Bible study, but a conversation.
24:29
Speaker 9: A conversation.
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Speaker 6: You bring up CRT and people say you're trying to
24:33
Speaker 6: shut down the conversation about race. And in the conversation
24:39
Speaker 6: about race, what must we do? We must elevate black voices,
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Speaker 6: not black thinkers, not black exegetes, not black.
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Speaker 9: Black voices, and black experiences.
24:52
Speaker 6: We need to sit and listen to the experiences of
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Speaker 6: black voices, because the way you come to truth, again,
24:59
Speaker 6: what Yahshua's talking about is the superiority of experiential knowledge.
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Speaker 6: You don't come to the true knowledge of ethnicity and
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Speaker 6: race through Bible study. You come to it through ethnic Gnosticism,
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Speaker 6: through elevating black voices And through acknowledging the fact that
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Speaker 6: those voices and their experiences are the arbiter of truth
25:27
Speaker 6: and not God. Here's another point that's incredibly important. When
25:32
Speaker 6: you start talking about critical theory, critical theory operates on
25:35
Speaker 6: this idea. There's probably the most influential Marxist after Marx
25:41
Speaker 6: is a guy whose name most people don't know.
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Speaker 9: His name is Antonio Gramsci.
25:44
Speaker 6: Gramsci was an Italian Marxist in the late 1920s, early 1930s,
25:48
Speaker 6: and a prolific writer, even though he was imprisoned by
25:51
Speaker 6: the fascists in Italy. And his contribution is the idea
25:55
Speaker 6: of hegemony. And think about hegemony as the worldview that
26:03
Speaker 6: oppressor groups use in order to oppress people. Because they're
26:07
Speaker 6: trying to figure out, you know, the.
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Speaker 9: Workers of the world unite. You know, there's supposed to
26:12
Speaker 9: be a revolution.
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Speaker 6: We have the Bolshevik Revolution. Why haven't we seen revolutions
26:16
Speaker 6: in other places? For example, why in England, they thought
26:19
Speaker 6: England was rife for a Marxist revolution, but it didn't happen.
26:22
Speaker 6: So why didn't it happen? Well, Gramsci's idea was because
26:26
Speaker 6: of the hegemony, because of the worldview that the proletariat
26:31
Speaker 6: have been forced to buy into, right? And this hegemony
26:36
Speaker 6: is just something that's not objectively true, It's established by
26:40
Speaker 6: people in power in order to hold on to their power.
26:44
Speaker 9: And that's critical. It's not objectively true.
26:46
Speaker 6: Because another thing critical race theory rejects is the idea
26:49
Speaker 6: of objective truth, scientific knowledge, right? So follow the steps here.
26:54
Speaker 6: Because you said from ethnic Gnosticism to ethnic antinomianism. Why
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Speaker 6: is it that we can move to ethnic antinomianism? Because
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Speaker 6: the rules come from the oppressor in order to to
27:09
Speaker 6: keep the oppressor's power. Therefore, your rules don't matter when
27:16
Speaker 6: it comes to deciding what is true and what is right,
27:20
Speaker 6: which is why, and I'll stop here. We're not doing
27:24
Speaker 6: a lecture on CRT here, which is why they not
27:28
Speaker 6: only talk about white privilege and male privilege and cisgender privilege,
27:34
Speaker 6: heterosexual privilege, so on and so forth, but also Christian privilege.
27:37
Speaker 6: One of the most significant books being used to teach
27:41
Speaker 6: people in education is readings for, ah, I just lost it,
27:48
Speaker 6: for something in social justice. Anyway, incredibly popular academic textbook
27:53
Speaker 6: that's being used in schools all around the country in
27:55
Speaker 6: order to educate teachers, and they talk about Christian privilege
27:58
Speaker 6: because Christianity is the ultimate tool that is used by
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Speaker 6: the oppressor to establish their hegemony. Marx, religion is the
28:11
Speaker 6: opiate of the masses. What does an opiate do? It
28:15
Speaker 6: dulls the senses. The masses are not rising up and
28:18
Speaker 6: overthrowing because they've been dulled by religion. Gramsci, sociology is
28:24
Speaker 6: that religion, or I'm sorry, socialism is that religion that
28:28
Speaker 6: must supplant Christianity. He understood it. And all the way
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Speaker 6: down to today, Religion and Christianity and Christian privilege, right,
28:40
Speaker 6: check your privilege white person, check your privilege male person,
28:45
Speaker 6: check your privilege Christian, is part of the same worldview.
28:50
Speaker 6: We do not come out of this unscathed. This is
28:53
Speaker 6: a war against the Christian worldview. And because of that,
28:57
Speaker 6: that's why you move from ethnic Gnosticism to ethnic antinomianism,
29:01
Speaker 6: because the only reason we have these rules in place
29:04
Speaker 6: is because the oppressor put them there in order to
29:08
Speaker 6: oppress everyone else.
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Speaker 9: Okay, I'll stop.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's boys. You talk about that, Votie.
29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's striking how once you start to see what's happening.
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Speaker 9: Greetings for diversity and social justice. Okay, sorry. That was
29:26
Speaker 9: the title. Greetings for diversity and social justice.
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Speaker 8: Sorry.
29:28
Speaker 1: Always comes back.
29:29
Speaker 7: It's like a boomerang.
29:30
Speaker 9: You know, over 50, man, when it comes, you take
29:33
Speaker 9: advantage of it, Amen.
29:35
Speaker 4: You believe that you believe that, um, and as you,
29:39
Speaker 4: as you, as you spell it out and we've been
29:41
Speaker 4: dealing with this for a while, you know, you've got, um,
29:44
Speaker 4: sermons online on ethnic Gnosticism, racial reconciliation, two chapters and
29:48
Speaker 4: by what standard. Um, and so I was just talking
29:51
Speaker 4: to another brother over lunch yesterday, um, along a different
29:56
Speaker 4: line of intersectionality along the line of the, um, um,
30:00
Speaker 4: male-female relationships. And he was remarking, it's a scholar, it's
30:04
Speaker 4: a lady scholar, and she's just, you can see she's
30:06
Speaker 4: got an ax to grind. She's angry that she hasn't
30:11
Speaker 4: gotten what she thinks she deserves, and she's going, you know,
30:14
Speaker 4: at PhD level against these people. And it's so strange
30:19
Speaker 4: to watch it and to see it from the Christian perspective.
30:21
Speaker 4: It's like, What we're seeing in this new religion, along
30:24
Speaker 4: all lines of intersectionality, is something that we are all,
30:26
Speaker 4: as Christians, thoroughly acquainted with.
30:28
Speaker 3: It's called, you know, I want what I want.
30:32
Speaker 4: I mean, as you're displaying it, I'm like, yeah, I
30:33
Speaker 4: know what it was like to look at my parents
30:35
Speaker 4: and think, yeah, your authority is not real, and your
30:37
Speaker 4: rules are not real, and I want what I want,
30:39
Speaker 4: and you're.
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Speaker 3: Just in my way, and you're trying to do this
30:41
Speaker 3: because you want power over me.
30:42
Speaker 9: It's like, I know what that is.
30:43
Speaker 3: Okay, now, like, let's put the race thing over it.
30:45
Speaker 9: That works.
30:46
Speaker 3: Put the sex thing over it.
30:47
Speaker 9: That works.
30:47
Speaker 3: Put the male-female thing over it.
30:48
Speaker 9: That works.
30:49
Speaker 3: It's just this.
30:51
Speaker 4: different lenses on the exact same sin, and it's not
30:54
Speaker 4: knowing the God of justice and mercy. And I would
30:57
Speaker 4: like to take our Christian responsibility here. As you mentioned,
31:00
Speaker 4: the bifurcated worldview, sacred, secular, there's also a bifurcated issue
31:05
Speaker 4: of justice and mercy. You kind of have the justice
31:08
Speaker 4: Christians and the mercy Christians. And the mercy ministry people
31:11
Speaker 4: are out there just trying to give cups of cold
31:13
Speaker 4: water in Jesus' name and care for the poor and
31:15
Speaker 4: And then the justice Christians are wanting to bring down,
31:17
Speaker 4: they've got a new law, and I'm not even meaning Christians,
31:20
Speaker 4: I'm meaning those who are really going wayward. And then
31:21
Speaker 4: we all play in both of those. We're supposed to
31:23
Speaker 4: bring both of these things, justice and mercy. It's the
31:27
Speaker 4: God of justice and mercy. And we really do have
31:29
Speaker 4: to own how we've, if we don't proclaim God's law
31:34
Speaker 4: and gospel, if we don't proclaim God's justice and mercy,
31:39
Speaker 4: people will create their own. And so this no neutrality idea,
31:44
Speaker 4: we have to go and say, this is where the
31:46
Speaker 4: courage comes. I've noticed there's these men, once you see that,
31:52
Speaker 4: you'll speak. Like, I just, you don't do, like, it's
31:57
Speaker 4: just hard for everybody. So as a white guy, you
31:59
Speaker 4: don't go and say something. You're like, I know what
32:01
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be called. As a black man, you don't
32:02
Speaker 4: go say something. You don't know what they're gonna be called. Like,
32:04
Speaker 4: everybody's gonna be called something. And then you just realize, like, oh,
32:07
Speaker 4: I love Jesus and I see what's happening and I
32:10
Speaker 4: love you too much.
32:10
Speaker 6: No.
32:11
Speaker 3: And you know, we need that kind of courage.
32:15
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say, uh, that I agree with you
32:18
Speaker 8: 100% there, Jared. Uh, we all need to be courageous. Uh,
32:22
Speaker 8: you know, you look at Revelation chapter 21, I think
32:24
Speaker 8: it's verse 11. Uh, there's a list of behavioral characteristics, uh,
32:33
Speaker 8: which are announced by God as being, uh, worthy of being.
32:39
Speaker 7: Cast into the lake of fire.
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Speaker 8: I think a list of about five or six behavioral
32:44
Speaker 8: characteristics by which God is damning them to the lake
32:47
Speaker 8: of fire.
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Speaker 7: Do you know what the first characteristic is? Cowards. Cowards
32:54
Speaker 7: is listed first.
32:57
Speaker 8: So when you think about it, you know, I asked
32:58
Speaker 8: a question to your congregation last night, Tom, you know,
33:03
Speaker 8: what are you prepared to lose in this battle?
33:06
Speaker 7: Voti's absolutely right. This is a war.
33:11
Speaker 8: Critical race theory is merciless in what it is endeavoring
33:18
Speaker 8: to accomplish. And what you're going to find, what I
33:21
Speaker 8: appreciate about what Voti just did in citing these academicians
33:26
Speaker 8: is what you're going to find is the vast majority
33:29
Speaker 8: of the material that's available on CRT right now.
33:32
Speaker 7: Is written by academicians. for academicians.
33:37
Speaker 8: Why? Because the educational institutions are the pipeline for this worldview.
33:47
Speaker 8: And I'm not just talking about the postgraduate level. I'm
33:49
Speaker 8: not talking about just the Ivy League schools. CRT is
33:53
Speaker 8: coming to your public elementary school kindergarten.
33:56
Speaker 5: It's there now.
34:02
Speaker 8: One of the key tenants of CRT is a concept
34:05
Speaker 8: called interest convergence, the interest convergence principle. The interest convergence principle.
34:15
Speaker 8: What the interest convergence principle teaches, and I say this
34:19
Speaker 8: with all due respect, this is for the white people.
34:20
Speaker 9: In the audience.
34:23
Speaker 8: The interest convergence principle is targeted at white people. And
34:27
Speaker 8: what the interest convergence principle means is that white people
34:33
Speaker 8: will only begin to care about black oppression, black justice,
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Speaker 8: black equality, in so much as those interests converge.
34:47
Speaker 7: With their interests.
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Speaker 8: So one academician writes in the book Critical Race Theory
34:55
Speaker 8: in Education, he gives an example of the Emancipation Proclamation.
35:01
Speaker 7: He argues that the issuance.
35:03
Speaker 8: Of the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't done on moral grounds, but
35:09
Speaker 8: that Lincoln only issued that emancipation in so much that
35:13
Speaker 8: he realized that the image of the United States on
35:17
Speaker 8: the world stage was being negatively interpreted because of messages
35:24
Speaker 8: that were getting back to other countries around the world
35:27
Speaker 8: about how America treats black people. That that was the
35:30
Speaker 8: motive for the Emancipation Proclamation. Not that slavery was wrong
35:34
Speaker 8: in an Imago Dei context. That's one example of how
35:37
Speaker 8: the interest convergence principle works.
35:42
Speaker 7: Now, I say all that to say this.
35:46
Speaker 8: When Votie talks about us destroying arguments, you're not going
35:50
Speaker 8: to destroy these arguments ex nihilo. This is not something
35:54
Speaker 8: that's going to be accomplished by you pulling a rabbit
35:56
Speaker 8: out of a hat.
35:57
Speaker 7: Because there is no rabbit and there is no hat, okay?
36:01
Speaker 8: You are going to have to read what these academicians
36:04
Speaker 8: are writing and educate and inform yourself about what they
36:10
Speaker 8: believe and become even more familiar with what they believe
36:17
Speaker 8: than you are right now. You have to become so
36:21
Speaker 8: familiar with what they're saying that you are so adroit
36:25
Speaker 8: with the word of God that you can take what
36:27
Speaker 8: they're saying in these books and filter that and interpret
36:32
Speaker 8: that through the word of God so that you can
36:34
Speaker 8: offer an apologetic that destroys these arguments.
36:39
Speaker 7: Because these arguments, listen, these arguments are so well formed.
36:48
Speaker 8: Listen, the very word equality just sort of has a
36:52
Speaker 8: certain ring to it Or like Dr. Dolezal was talking
36:57
Speaker 8: about earlier, it just emits some sort of feeling from
36:59
Speaker 8: us that we just automatically gravitate towards something like that.
37:04
Speaker 7: But the academicians who are pushing CRT, they know that.
37:10
Speaker 8: So when Tom talks about courage, we have to have
37:12
Speaker 8: the courage as believers to reject that. and put those
37:17
Speaker 8: words like equity and equality and justice into a biblical
37:23
Speaker 8: and objective biblical context and stick to it and do
37:29
Speaker 8: not waver.
37:30
Speaker 7: Do not waver from it.
37:33
Speaker 6: So because of, yeah, because of convergence theory, because of
37:39
Speaker 6: this idea, and by the way, the reason that this
37:43
Speaker 6: this interest conversion is necessary is because white people are
37:46
Speaker 6: inherently evil and are incapable of righteous actions in the
37:49
Speaker 6: area of race, according to CRT. Because the first principle
37:53
Speaker 6: is that racism is normal, right? It's ubiquitous, it's everywhere.
37:59
Speaker 6: As Robin DiAngelo says, in a situation, you don't have
38:01
Speaker 6: to ask whether racism manifested itself in that situation, but how, okay?
38:07
Speaker 6: Because everything is racist, like everything. And so since that's
38:13
Speaker 6: the case, you have to do the work of anti-racism.
38:18
Speaker 6: By the way, the work of anti-racism is never done.
38:21
Speaker 6: It's not repentance, it's penance. And it's penance that doesn't end.
38:25
Speaker 6: But there's another thing because of interest convergence. One of
38:29
Speaker 6: the leading voices in CRT today is Ibram X.
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Speaker 9: Kendi.
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Speaker 6: Um, his book is how to be an anti-racist is
38:35
Speaker 6: runaway bestseller. Um, he, you, you can't get him for
38:40
Speaker 6: your organization or institution because he's booked up too far
38:43
Speaker 6: in advance and it costs $ 20, 000 an hour to have
38:48
Speaker 6: him come and beat you about the head and neck
38:51
Speaker 6: on issues of race.
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Speaker 9: Um, and so here's what, what he, here's what he proposes.
38:56
Speaker 9: Here's what can be proposes.
38:58
Speaker 6: Again, this is one of the leading voices of CRT
39:02
Speaker 6: in our day. To fix the original sin of racism,
39:06
Speaker 6: don't think for a minute that this is not religious.
39:08
Speaker 6: To fix the original sin of racism, Americans should pass
39:11
Speaker 6: an anti-racist amendment to the Constitution that enshrines two anti-racist principles.
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Speaker 6: The first one, racial inequity is evidence of racist policy.
39:22
Speaker 6: And the second one is the different racial.
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Speaker 1: Groups are equals.
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Speaker 6: The amendment would make unconstitutional racial inequity over a certain threshold,
39:31
Speaker 6: as well as racist ideas by public officials, with racist
39:35
Speaker 6: ideas and public officials clearly defined. It would establish and
39:39
Speaker 6: permanently fund the Department of Anti-Racism, comprised of formally trained
39:44
Speaker 6: experts on racism and no political appointees.
39:48
Speaker 9: Guess who's gonna train them?
39:50
Speaker 6: The DOA would be responsible for pre-clearing all local, state,
39:55
Speaker 6: and federal public policies to ensure they won't yield racial inequity.
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Speaker 6: Monitor those policies, investigate private racist policies when racial inequity surfaces,
40:07
Speaker 6: and monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas. The
40:11
Speaker 6: DOA would be empowered with disciplinary tools to wield over
40:15
Speaker 6: and against policy makers and public officials who do not
40:18
Speaker 6: voluntarily change their racist policy and ideas.
40:23
Speaker 9: This is CRT.
40:25
Speaker 6: This is the guy who authored the book that some
40:28
Speaker 6: churches are using. The book, How to Be an Antiracist.
40:32
Speaker 6: And the answer is not come to Jesus. The answer
40:37
Speaker 6: is works righteousness based on a worldview that is antithetical
40:42
Speaker 6: to biblical Christianity. This stuff needs to be hammered, not
40:46
Speaker 6: negotiated with.
40:47
Speaker 9: Amen.
40:48
Speaker 1: You know, amen.
40:54
Speaker 2: As we've argued, as we've been saying today already, again,
40:57
Speaker 2: we're talking about a new religion has its own epistemology.
41:03
Speaker 2: My lived experience, not, not the Bible. has its own
41:07
Speaker 2: teleology where it's going.
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Speaker 1: It's utopian.
41:10
Speaker 2: And so until everything is completely equal in every regard,
41:14
Speaker 2: then we have not yet attained the justice that we deserve.
41:18
Speaker 2: And it is completely unbiblical. And so the antidote, I
41:22
Speaker 2: don't mean to be simplistic, but we have got to
41:25
Speaker 2: teach God's people God's word. We got to start with
41:28
Speaker 2: Genesis 1.1. It's God's world. He rules it. We're in it.
41:32
Speaker 1: We're his creatures. And we are accountable to him.
41:35
Speaker 2: And Jared, as you said, To preach God's law and
41:40
Speaker 2: God's gospel. I think if there was one thing that
41:43
Speaker 2: I could do for evangelical churches, if God were to
41:46
Speaker 2: give me a magic wand that this Sunday something would be,
41:50
Speaker 2: anything I wanted to be done in evangelical churches would
41:52
Speaker 2: be done, it would be to get every one of
41:55
Speaker 2: them to begin to preach the Ten Commandments. I think
42:00
Speaker 2: if we do just that much that we would begin
42:03
Speaker 2: to rebuild foundations we've lost, that make the gospel apparent
42:11
Speaker 2: for what it is. The gospel doesn't make sense apart
42:15
Speaker 2: from God's law. The substructure of what happened on Calvary
42:20
Speaker 2: is God's commandments.
42:22
Speaker 1: And we've lost that. We need to recover it.
42:24
Speaker 2: And without that, we're not going to have justice, nor
42:27
Speaker 2: are we going to have mercy.
42:29
Speaker 4: We need the law desperately, especially when there are some
42:33
Speaker 4: twisted new religions coming in, as has been displayed with
42:36
Speaker 4: CRT and intersectionality. And I want to put in this
42:40
Speaker 4: because it takes a little while to get your mind
42:43
Speaker 4: around some of this stuff.
42:44
Speaker 3: You know, you read some of this stuff, interest convergence.
42:46
Speaker 3: I remember seeing that.
42:46
Speaker 4: And if you don't have God's law, what can happen?
42:50
Speaker 4: So beware of this. Ditch on each side of the road.
42:53
Speaker 4: I remember hearing interest convergence. White people only help black
42:56
Speaker 4: people with the advancement when it benefits them. And the
43:02
Speaker 4: danger is, you go, that never happens. That never happens.
43:08
Speaker 4: And then I was like, oh, that happens all the time.
43:12
Speaker 4: That happens all the time. So let's be careful for
43:14
Speaker 4: a minute. I read that and I was like, oh,
43:17
Speaker 4: so people using people. Is that what you're talking about? No, okay,
43:20
Speaker 4: so that's not what interest convergence teaches, but that's the
43:24
Speaker 4: kernel of truth.
43:25
Speaker 3: It's taken and it's twisted.
43:27
Speaker 4: So the danger is you see the twist and then
43:29
Speaker 4: you go, you know, white people have never used black
43:31
Speaker 4: people ever. I don't think any white person. And you
43:33
Speaker 4: need to go, hold on, let's think clearly for a minute.
43:35
Speaker 4: This is a fallen world. This is a corrupt world.
43:37
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what color your skin is. People use people.
43:40
Speaker 4: People use people, and it's wrong. And so the law
43:43
Speaker 4: will keep you straight on that, and you'll be able
43:45
Speaker 4: to look at, like, interest convergence or something like that
43:48
Speaker 4: and dissect it rightly. And because, yeah, the charge will
43:52
Speaker 4: come that you do fall in the ditch on the
43:54
Speaker 4: other side of the road. So the problem— and Votie went
43:56
Speaker 4: there as he further explained. You heard him further explain
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Speaker 4: what he said what the problem is because white people
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Speaker 4: as a whole are, you know, whatever— And that's the problem.
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Speaker 4: It's this total categorization of people by their skin color.
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Speaker 3: That's where the error is.
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Speaker 4: And the law is going to help us keep that
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Speaker 4: straight when it comes to the way these new religions
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Speaker 4: come in. We're going to be the ones who are
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Speaker 4: really after justice, who are really after mercy.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the last word here, Darrell.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, just real quick, Tom.
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Speaker 8: You know, I think it needs to be said, especially
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Speaker 8: in conjunction with what Bodhi just read, we need to
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Speaker 8: be reminded that an administration, a presidential administration was just
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Speaker 8: elected and inaugurated that fully embraces CRT. So what you're
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Speaker 8: about to see is CRT codified into law.
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Speaker 7: What you're about to see is this ideology.
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Speaker 8: Now become law to where faith-based institutions and organizations like
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Speaker 8: Founders and this very church in which we're having this
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Speaker 8: conference is gonna be beholden to enforce CRT standards and
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Speaker 8: metrics and policies, or face the threat of being shut down.
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Speaker 8: That administration was just elected and inaugurated into office. Okay, now,
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Speaker 8: I'll close with this, Tom. Virgil mentioned earlier two episodes
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Speaker 8: we did on the Just Thinking podcast. We dedicated six
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Speaker 8: hours of content to exposing Black Lives Matter. Across two episodes,
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Speaker 8: six hours of content we gave you on Black Lives Matter.
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Speaker 8: And one of the statistics, One of the tools of
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Speaker 8: CRTers and social justicians is to use ethnic-centered statistics as
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Speaker 8: a means to.
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Speaker 7: Validate their argument.
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Speaker 8: So for example, someone will say, well, black people make
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Speaker 8: up only 13% of the American population and yet they
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Speaker 8: make up 40% of the prison population.
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Speaker 7: Well, you know where else the numbers 13 and 40 apply?
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Speaker 8: 13% of Americans are black, but they make up 40%
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Speaker 8: of the abortions.
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Speaker 7: Same 13%.
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Speaker 8: But what you hear is that the prison population is
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Speaker 8: unjust because 40% of the prison population consists of black men.
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Speaker 8: You'll never hear labeled an injustice that that same 13%
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Speaker 8: represents 40% of abortions in America. You will never hear that.
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Speaker 8: So my encouragement to you today is to do the
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Speaker 8: work of preparing yourself to destroy these arguments. It takes work.
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Speaker 8: You're going to have to work at this. You're going
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Speaker 8: to have to work at getting in the word, knowing
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Speaker 8: what the word says. And I would just add to
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Speaker 8: Tom's admonishment to.
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Speaker 7: Teach the word of God, to teach your people to
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Speaker 7: believe it.
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Speaker 8: Because if you don't believe what you're being taught, it's
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Speaker 8: a moot point.
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Speaker 7: Tom, I'll give it back to you.
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Speaker 9: Amen.
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Speaker 2: Well, brothers, thank you so much for coming up here
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Speaker 2: addressing this topic.
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Speaker 1: Let's close together by prayer.
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Speaker 2: Our Father, we bow to you because you are the
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Speaker 2: God of justice and mercy. You are the one who
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Speaker 2: has revealed to us Jesus Christ. You've given him to us,
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Speaker 2: and in him we have been reconciled to you. In
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Speaker 2: him we have found sin forgiven. In him we have
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Speaker 2: been given everlasting life. And I pray that your spirit
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Speaker 2: would work in us more deeply, taking your word and
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Speaker 2: causing us to grow in the grace and knowledge of
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Speaker 2: Christ so that we might live joyfully and hopefully in
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Speaker 2: this wicked and perverse generation.
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Speaker 1: Help us to shine as stars.
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Speaker 2: Help us to set our hope upon you, the God
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Speaker 2: who always does what is right, and to live wholeheartedly
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Speaker 2: for you from this time forward forever.
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Speaker 1: For we pray in Jesus' name, amen.