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Mom Realizes Her Daughter Just Decapitated Someone · The conspiracy

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Tara McCauley sits beside her nineteen year old daughter Kiara.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to her, both of their lives are about to
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: change forever.
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  Speaker 2: There's a.
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  Speaker 3: That's why it's a crime.
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  Speaker 4: There's a body in this stand up for me.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Kiora is a deranged teenage killer. She just brutally killed
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: her ex girlfriend with a three foot long sword. The
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  Speaker 1: body lies in her mother's home just feet away. But
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: this discovery of a body would be just the start.
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  Speaker 1: The investigation that followed would reveal a vile teenage couple
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  Speaker 1: whose actions left officers, family members, and detectives in utter
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  Speaker 1: shock as their horrifying crimes slowly began coming to light.
• 0:56
  Speaker 5: You feel like slashed on her knee in a year,
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  Speaker 5: and then there's a big sword, and then there's bloodstains
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  Speaker 5: all over the bed.
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  Speaker 6: I walked into the garage, She goes, Oh, I just
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  Speaker 6: did it and walked this way.
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  Speaker 1: The day begins when nine one one Dispatch receives a
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  Speaker 1: call from a distressed mother. She claims that her son,
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: twenty two year old Isaac, has just witnessed his girlfriend Kiara,
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  Speaker 1: decapitate a woman inside her own home. The call is
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  Speaker 1: unclear and officers don't know whether the suspect is still
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: on the scene or if they're planning to take more
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: innocent lives. Within minutes, five officers arrive at the scene,
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  Speaker 1: prepared for the worst.
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  Speaker 5: He's the one on the fact that from the alley
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  Speaker 5: somewhere down here at five ninety four.
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  Speaker 7: One kick it in.
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  Speaker 2: Let's put on the door.
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  Speaker 8: Hick the door.
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  Speaker 2: I got your.
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  Speaker 9: Up.
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  Speaker 4: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Who called?
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  Speaker 9: So?
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  Speaker 10: Someone will gonna.
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  Speaker 8: Kill the numbers?
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  Speaker 4: Gepply.
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  Speaker 1: The officers get in tell that the body is inside
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  Speaker 1: the home's garage directly behind them. One team will clear
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  Speaker 1: the primary house while the other prepares to make entry
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: into the garage. Without any detailed information, the officers have
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  Speaker 1: to proceed with extreme caution.
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  Speaker 9: PA I think it goes around.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe I think it goes around.
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  Speaker 9: Some people look like this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the officers in the house find nothing of interest.
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  Speaker 1: The same can't be said for the team entering the garage.
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  Speaker 10: Garge.
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  Speaker 7: Someone just called that someone just got step over here,
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  Speaker 7: step over here.
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  Speaker 5: Someone just got stabbed inside that garage.
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  Speaker 3: That okay, yeah, we got one down to go back inside.
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  Speaker 3: Go back inside. I'm not gonna tell you again, go
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  Speaker 3: back inside.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a big police anyone inside watching?
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  Speaker 10: The can't go one down.
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  Speaker 9: Is right here by the door, A right?
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  Speaker 5: Can you open the garage from that side?
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  Speaker 1: Inside the garage, officers find twenty one year old Grace
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  Speaker 1: Jennings dad. She has a deep laceration across her neck
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  Speaker 1: and several slashes across her body. Tara McCully appears completely
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  Speaker 1: clueless about what's happening. However, the same can't be said
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  Speaker 1: for her daughter, Kiara. While officers continue searching the garage,
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  Speaker 1: bodycam footage captures nineteen year old Kiara frantically explaining to
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  Speaker 1: her mother what happened?
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  Speaker 9: I guess.
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  Speaker 11: Course, but what would she Why would she be here
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  Speaker 11: if he invited her last night? So it was Angie
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  Speaker 11: stayed the night. Yeah, in my house. Yeah, and I'm
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  Speaker 11: pissed about it. Grace is not allowed here.
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  Speaker 4: She knows that.
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  Speaker 10: Who's Isaac's girlfriend? She is, You're Isaac's girlfriend? Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 10: what are you guys?
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  Speaker 4: We kind of mother in law to be?
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  Speaker 10: This is your daughter?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, this is my daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Step out with me real quick.
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  Speaker 10: What's your name?
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  Speaker 2: Kiara?
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  Speaker 1: Grace Jennings is the ex girlfriend of Kiara after a
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  Speaker 1: violent breakup years prior. She was banned from the property permanently.
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  Speaker 1: According to Kiara, her current boyfriend, twenty two year old Isaac,
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  Speaker 1: had invited Grace to sleep over the previous night, all
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  Speaker 1: without Kiara's permission. She claims this pissed her off, revealing
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  Speaker 1: a small glimpse as to what happened on this twisted
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  Speaker 1: Thursday morning.
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  Speaker 10: This is his girlfriend.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, can I get some she was on or something?
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  Speaker 10: Right now?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, did you guys have a fight?
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  Speaker 4: Can she sit down to her.
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  Speaker 2: Feet for a walk?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Isaac, in fact, did not go for a walk. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: he frantically ran to a friend's workplace after finding Grace's
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  Speaker 1: decapitated body, with Kiara reportedly giggling beside it. Clearly something
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  Speaker 1: is very wrong. Worst of all, Kiara's mother, Tera hasn't
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  Speaker 1: even realized there's a dead body in the garage or
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  Speaker 1: that her own daughter is responsible.
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  Speaker 4: I have cats, I have to unfortunately, but this is
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  Speaker 4: an active investigation.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, so your sonhow at this point there's a deceased
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  Speaker 8: That's why it's a crime.
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  Speaker 4: It's a body, and you stand up for me?
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  Speaker 9: Walk this way?
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  Speaker 11: What the fuck?
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  Speaker 10: Don't coming with you?
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  Speaker 1: As officers clear the home and detain Kiara. It seems
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  Speaker 1: the chaos has finally settled, or so they think, because
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  Speaker 1: just seconds later, Grace's mother arrives on the scene, completely
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  Speaker 1: unaware of what has just happened to her daughter.
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  Speaker 12: I'm sorry, so we's you have an active investigation, yet
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  Speaker 12: I don't have a lot of the details.
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  Speaker 8: Is she pay Grace is breathing?
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  Speaker 4: Is okay?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I don't.
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  Speaker 9: We're trying to gather all the information.
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  Speaker 3: So, like the arch said, if you could go back
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  Speaker 3: with us to the police department and then we can
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  Speaker 3: give you a little bit more information.
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  Speaker 2: Who's there?
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  Speaker 9: Who's great?
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  Speaker 13: Do you have an idea, gret or do you have
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  Speaker 13: a photo?
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  Speaker 1: Officers continue to comfort Grace's mother, they refrain from revealing
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  Speaker 1: Grace was deceased, something they'd have to explain later on.
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  Speaker 1: Across town, another team of officers begin searching for Kiara's boyfriend, Isaac,
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  Speaker 1: the only witness to the murder and a key figure
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  Speaker 1: in solving the case. During the nine one one call,
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  Speaker 1: Isaac's mother told dispatch where he was a tax door
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  Speaker 1: close to Kiara's house. Using that information, officers quickly tracked him.
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  Speaker 10: Down right stay here, right here, and look around real quickly.
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  Speaker 1: For now, officers assume Isaac is simply an innocent bystander
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  Speaker 1: to Kiara's brutality. However, this will soon change.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there he is. He's coming up, is it Isaac
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  Speaker 5: that your calls?
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  Speaker 14: Bro here, come over here, come here?
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  Speaker 15: You don't have any knife, sing weapons on you?
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  Speaker 9: No to put it off or not.
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  Speaker 15: To put it on your line over, Gotta make sure
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  Speaker 15: you don't have any weapons. Okay, should put your hands
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  Speaker 15: up right for now, bro, just because we're he looks
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  Speaker 15: like your girlfriend or if whoever's in there is uh
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  Speaker 15: really injured.
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  Speaker 10: So for now we're gonna put you under the detention
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  Speaker 10: of Kinto.
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  Speaker 14: We can figure this out.
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  Speaker 10: You're not under arrest. And who's in the who lives
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  Speaker 10: within the garage? Your girl, Chiara McCully.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, so can you.
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  Speaker 15: Tell me how did this contspy?
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  Speaker 5: How did you how did you call it?
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  Speaker 10: I walked into the garage. And when I walked.
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  Speaker 6: Into the garage, she goes, oh, I just did it?
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  Speaker 10: And who is this Kiara McCully.
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  Speaker 9: She told you that.
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  Speaker 10: Very calmly and everything blood on her hands.
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  Speaker 1: And okay, officers have no reason to suspect Isaac of
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  Speaker 1: the murder. He remains cordial and provides them with a
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  Speaker 1: chilling account of Kiara's behavior after the murder, but his
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  Speaker 1: demeanor starts to take a drastic turn as he's placed
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  Speaker 1: in the back of a patrol va.
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  Speaker 15: God Isaac, gota, do you need to get checked out
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  Speaker 15: by mad then.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, okay you air or anything, but this will roll
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  Speaker 2: down the window, will give you a minute, right.
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  Speaker 10: I wanted to I was already planning on leaving today too.
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  Speaker 10: You have all my suff packed up, and I wanted
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  Speaker 10: to go.
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  Speaker 12: I wanted to coach my mom and dads because I'm.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not good in I'm not in a good mental space.
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  Speaker 1: To the untrained eye, Isaac's emotions might seem like shock
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  Speaker 1: from what he just witnessed. This is simply not the case,
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  Speaker 1: because Isaac was far more involved in the murder than
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  Speaker 1: he's letting on, and he knows it's only a matter
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  Speaker 1: of time before investigators to catch on. Police and their
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: conversation with Isaac, and both he and Kiara are transported
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  Speaker 1: to the Santa Fe County Police station. With both suspects
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  Speaker 1: being successfully detained, detectives will begin their process of individually
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  Speaker 1: interrogating Isaac and Kiara. One detective will conduct both interrogations,
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  Speaker 1: yet they'd turn out completely different from one another. Kiara's
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  Speaker 1: especially takes a dark turn as she delivers answers with
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  Speaker 1: a chilling truthfulness. What follows is not simply an interrogation,
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  Speaker 1: but one of the most disturbing conversations we've ever covered.
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  Speaker 9: Have you ever thought about her in her or killing
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  Speaker 9: her like that? And how would you kill her?
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  Speaker 4: Dependent on the dreams?
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  Speaker 1: But before the interrogations begin, the detective in charge will
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  Speaker 1: go to the crime scene looking together information from the
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  Speaker 1: primary officers. The detective assigned to this case is Javier
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  Speaker 1: Vigil of the Santa Fe Police Department. Javier is an
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  Speaker 1: experienced detective who as of twenty twenty five, has been
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  Speaker 1: promoted to SWAT Commander for SFPD. Is objective at the
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  Speaker 1: scene is clear to gather as much information as possible
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  Speaker 1: as quickly as possible. He's focused on identifying the primary
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  Speaker 1: suspects and determining any potential motives. Every detail will be
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  Speaker 1: critical in shaping the narrative he'll use during interrogation and
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  Speaker 1: ultimately in securing a confession. What he doesn't realize yet
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  Speaker 1: is that his investigation will prove far more revealing than
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  Speaker 1: anyone anticipated.
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  Speaker 9: Than you guy her first.
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  Speaker 5: I got here first, but we'll we all kind of
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  Speaker 5: walked in at the same time.
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  Speaker 13: I come here and from here, Yeah, stick shot so
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  Speaker 13: I can hear blonde girl that feature running side, So
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  Speaker 13: I called contact, oppose the door, open it for non dancing.
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  Speaker 9: So we've picked the pronoun in.
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  Speaker 10: Like, oh ship, the suspect's boyfriend is the one to
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  Speaker 10: call it.
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  Speaker 9: No, it's a forty one a third party ten forty one.
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  Speaker 3: Hold in thany guys, mom, and Mom's like, I have
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  Speaker 3: no do what happened?
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  Speaker 9: This one's acting a little like anything, So find cool.
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  Speaker 13: They go inside the garage and find your life us like.
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  Speaker 5: Slashed on her knee in a year and then there's
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  Speaker 5: a big sword right as you walk into the to
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  Speaker 5: the right on the dresser in and then there's bloodstains
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  Speaker 5: all over the bed.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, did we knock at the next door neighbors, see
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  Speaker 14: if anywhere hear anything. Let's let's cross that off the list.
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  Speaker 14: So that's done, super, get any one or anything, and
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  Speaker 14: then we could take everyone back. We'll knock at her
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  Speaker 14: interview's got a paper, come to our search, and then
• 13:32
  Speaker 14: we can go to see.
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: Detective Vigil and his team go on to get further
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  Speaker 1: information from neighbors. This, alongside the primary officers account, gives
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: him a solid report to go off of Kiara, Isaac,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: and the victim, Grace, had all individually dated each other
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  Speaker 1: at different periods. Grace and Kiara had a toxic relationship
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  Speaker 1: and quickly turned into enemies after their breakup. Isaac had
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  Speaker 1: also previously dated Grace, but had a dramatic breakup after
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  Speaker 1: just days of being together. I was twenty and Grace
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: was just sixteen during their relationship. During Isaac's ride to
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  Speaker 1: the station, he explained to officers that he had invited
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  Speaker 1: Grace to Kiara's house because she had no place to
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  Speaker 1: stay for the night. Lastly, Vigil was informed that just
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: a day earlier, Isaac had been charged with domestic battery
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: against Kiara. The specifics were unclear, but these suspicious details
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  Speaker 1: would leave Vigil on high alert going into his interrogations.
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  Speaker 1: Back at the station, Vigil begins his day with Isaac.
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  Speaker 1: This is no accident. By questioning him first, the detective
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  Speaker 1: hopes to build a foundation of incriminating details ammunition for
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  Speaker 1: the real confrontation still to come.
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  Speaker 9: I have no reasona believe you to be assessment for
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  Speaker 9: how or hankers off? Is that okay with you? Yes? Okay? Well,
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  Speaker 9: just because.
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  Speaker 14: I mean you're developing, and like I said, we don't
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  Speaker 14: really know fully what's going on. I do want to
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  Speaker 14: advise you of your constitutional rights before we talk at all.
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  Speaker 1: So Detective Vigil wastes no time and assuring Isaac he's
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  Speaker 1: not a suspect. But that statement is a calculated lie.
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  Speaker 1: As we know, Isaac had been charged with domestic battery
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  Speaker 1: against Kiara, a violent pattern that Vigil was already aware of,
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  Speaker 1: combined with earlier details they had every reason to view
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  Speaker 1: him as a suspect. Still, their strategy was clear, avoid confrontation,
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  Speaker 1: keep Isaac at ease, and let him talk.
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  Speaker 14: So the only thing I ask is for truthfulness. I'm
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  Speaker 14: going to be a front with you. I'm going to
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  Speaker 14: be truthful with you. I just asked that you do
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  Speaker 14: the same to me in return. Okay, just tell me
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  Speaker 14: the truth and tell me everything that happened.
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  Speaker 9: Right, Okay? Where it is?
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  Speaker 14: So, because it's lining the Couley's house, does she live
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  Speaker 14: there or does she live somewhere else?
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  Speaker 10: She lives there in the main house.
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  Speaker 9: And you say the main house. What do you mean
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  Speaker 9: by that? The main house?
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  Speaker 6: There's a garage in the backyard that's separate from the
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  Speaker 6: main house.
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  Speaker 10: It will be.
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  Speaker 14: If I gave you a pick work benefit to draw
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  Speaker 14: it up for me. Let's show me. Show me where
• 17:43
  Speaker 14: Jaguar Drive is. To show me where the house is.
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  Speaker 1: The house sits in a quiet neighborhood on Jaguar Drive.
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  Speaker 1: Kiara and Isaac live in a makeshift room in the
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  Speaker 1: homes outdoor garage, while Kiara's mother stays in the main house.
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  Speaker 1: After mapping out the layout and wherever thing happened, the
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  Speaker 1: conversation shifts to the murder itself. This is when Isaac
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  Speaker 1: describes the chilling moment he found Grace's lifeless body in
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  Speaker 1: the garage.
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  Speaker 9: How long have you been living in the garage here?
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  Speaker 9: I have.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, let's bring ourselves to today, and I want you
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  Speaker 14: to kind of tell me in your own memory what
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  Speaker 14: happened from that time all the way to getting here
• 18:26
  Speaker 14: to this interview.
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  Speaker 12: So from the time we began would be yesterday, we
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  Speaker 12: started we're talking, you know, nighttime came around, we started
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  Speaker 12: going to sleep, killing Colley did not fall sleep. I
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  Speaker 12: had told I was talking to Grace, who was in
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  Speaker 12: the garage is well, I said, we have to go.
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  Speaker 10: She's she's told towns we need to leave. And I
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  Speaker 10: left the main house.
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  Speaker 16: Who's the restaurant? Little last time? And then I walked
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  Speaker 16: him back into the garage.
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  Speaker 9: She walked her.
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  Speaker 6: I did it with a smile on her face, and
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  Speaker 6: I looked at the ground and I was like, So
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  Speaker 6: I called my mom immediately to let her know that
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  Speaker 6: something happened.
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  Speaker 10: My mom proceeded to call nine one one.
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  Speaker 6: Really scared because I've internested, sorry, I've witnessed.
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  Speaker 10: My friend getting shot. So yes, it was a while
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  Speaker 10: back and I was sitting in the back seat.
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  Speaker 6: God walked his brains out and landed on me testify
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  Speaker 6: in court.
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  Speaker 10: And I'm anything.
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  Speaker 6: Like this gives me super trump science and it's a
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  Speaker 6: traumatic event. So when I went back in the road,
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  Speaker 6: when I saw her in the ground, on the ground,
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't say anything because I was like, this is
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: another one of my friends gone. I keep losing friends
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  Speaker 6: left and right. I'm scared right now.
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  Speaker 1: After recounting this morning, Isaac would go on to explain
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  Speaker 1: why Grace was sleeping at that house. He does not
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  Speaker 1: include the fact that the two females were in an
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  Speaker 1: ongoing feud, instead pretending they were all cordial friends. Kiara
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  Speaker 1: would provide a polar opposite recount in her interrogation, but
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: before Detective Vigil gets to her, he has one final
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: question for Isaac.
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: How did you know that Kara didn't want you guys
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: there anymore?
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: She woke up, well, she woke up from what she
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: says she slept, but she was awake the whole time,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: and she turned over told me, you guys need to
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: get out. I don't want you guys here. It was
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: really freaking me out. So I was trying to get out.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: I was in and out of the room, trying to
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: contact my mom to pick.
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: Me up, to get me out of there.
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: What time did you guys wake up? Back up?
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: I woke up at about seven fifty.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: At what time did Kiara tell you guys had to leave?
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: She told us we had to leave at about eight thirty.
• 21:09
  Speaker 14: Okay, in between eight thirty and to the time your
• 21:14
  Speaker 14: mom called my older one kind of what.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: Happened in there?
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: But when I packed my stuff, I went inside the house,
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: which was a stupid mistake for me to go in
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: the house, use the bathroom, and then come back and
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: see what I saw.
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: After repeage, you went immediately back to the garage. Yes,
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: So around what time did you say that was that?
• 21:33
  Speaker 14: I think we got the call a little after one thirty, Yes,
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: kind of an hour and a half gap. There was
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: there a long period of time that you and Kara
• 21:41
  Speaker 14: were trying to figure out what was going to happen.
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: There was a there was a long period of time.
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: It was when I was standing on the side of
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: the garage.
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: Tell me about that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: I was hyper ventilating. Then I made the call to
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: my mom. My mom made the call. I know I
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: should have been the one called. I feel like I'm
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: going to pass out.
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: To take some deprests. I need a little break. That's
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: okay with you. I'll use the ration real quick. It's
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: all good, sounds good, all right, if it's through time
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: gotten of it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Throughout his interview, Isaac worked hard to portray himself as
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a victim, bringing up his past, the friends he's lost,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and how deeply this event has traumatized him. He likely
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: believes he's convincing that he's playing the role well. But
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: what Isaac doesn't realize is how quickly things are about
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to turn against him. By the time officers come into
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Kiara's interrogation room to begin the interview, she's already been
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: left alone for more than three hours, plenty of time
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to think. In that silence, she began forming a plan,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: not to deny the murder outright, but to find a
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: way to minimize her responsibility. Kiara knows there's no escaping
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the fact that a murder took place, the body has
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: been found, and all evidence points directly to her, but
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: she's not planning to walk out innocent. She's planning to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: walk out with a story. If she can act as
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: though she's mentally unstable, there's a chance she'll be deemed
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: not guilty by reason of insanity. This, in her eyes,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: is a much less severe outcome which will get her
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: back to the real world and no time. This is
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a common misconception. Legal insanity isn't about acting strange after
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a rest. It's about your mental state at the moment
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of the crime. Detectives record everything, and criminal psychologists are
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: trained to spot rehearsed behavior and malingering. Even if a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: judge believes you are genuinely insane, you don't go home.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: You go to a locked forensic hospital with no fixed
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: release date. If you aren't genuinely crippled by mental illness,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the constant observation, enforced medication, and clinical evaluations become their
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: own punishment. Kiara doesn't realize this, so she'll begin the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: interrogation with confidence that she can outsmart the system.
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: Well, any idea why it heard to be believe it's
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: because somebody who's found it in my room furs your
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: room mate in the garage garage.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I was trying to make sure this wasn't a freak
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: intrigue with him.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: It's weird you believe someone has found that in your room.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: Give an idea who that might be.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Well, so I'm really tired.
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: But last night Isaac invited my ex girlfriend Grace Jennings,
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: who now is going by you?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Uncle?
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know anymore. I always knew there is Grace
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: or Rose.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Kiara takes no time to begin her act, alluding that
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: she's had dreams of murder in the past. Unfortunately for her,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: detective Vigil won't pick up on this, so she'll soon
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: make another try.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: It's trying to sleep. If you were talking memory again,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: damn it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: Sorry, we're talking soon.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: My best guess is that I have di ID, but
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: I'm not one hundred cents the associate identity disorder. I
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: haven't had it actually diagnosed, but that's my best guess
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: for my research.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: D D is a rare but serious mental illness affecting
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: roughly two hundred thousand US citizens. Kiara is not a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: part of that two hundred thousand, as her did is
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: completely self diagnosed. Records show she had never visited a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: medical facility to treat this supposed illness, nor does her
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: family recall her ever discussing. Yet she'll go on to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: explain her symptoms which only further prove her theatrics to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the detective.
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: There are different personalities that come out.
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: Some of them, Yeah, what are themes?
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: There's Abby and then there's we call her chains because
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: she hates people saying her own name.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: You say her real name, she's ned. Then there's.
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: One personality that I haven't seen in a long time,
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: like I have as communicated with her.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: And it was Jess.
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: There's a little version of me which actually responds to
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: my biological name.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: She responds to this, Yes.
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: What do you mean by that?
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Over It's like a little kid. That's that should start happening.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: We reached out to a California based psychiatric doctor to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: get his opinions on Kiara's illness. He explained that Kiara
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: showed no evident changes in voice or personality switching during
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the interview, something that is extremely common with d I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: D patients. Additionally, the descriptions of her different person analodies
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: were superficial and lacking in detail, mostly limited to generic
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: labels rather than the rich and textured indistinctions that real
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the ID patients involuntarily manifest. It makes sense why a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: professional would later deem her mentally fit to stand trial.
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: What kind of that stuff happened?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I have a bad relationship with my mom, the.
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: Reason why I never wanted to see Grace, but I
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: missed me off by bringing her to my house.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Is she ever dead?
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: Grace? Yeah, you don't know.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: Well, I partially hope for her to be dead, but
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: I'm also confused, Like miss.
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: I'm why do you hope that she was dead?
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: I'm just angry at her, but I also won't have
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: hope that she'd be better. But it's like this frustrating
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: motion that I can't seem to pinpoint.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: It's all about last night? What did you do last night?
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: So Isaac tells me that Grace is coming over without
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: asking me if it's okay? Is it okay if she
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: comes over? It's like she's tell me over. They started
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: talking about phones and Marvel and stuff that I don't
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: really understand as much. I started feeling frustrated because she
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: wasn't listening to me at all.
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: So she's stayed in the garage. Yeah, and you slept
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: in the garage, and so good Isaac.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Well, she and Isaac were sleeping.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: I was just staring at the ceiling and trying to
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: find a comfortable spot where I could actually fall asleep.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I woke up, well, woke up as the set.
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: Of around nine or ten we guys up up. M
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: next thing I remember it is going to go take
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: a shower. Remember a chunk missing? I don't understand.
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: I'm confused.
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: Is a pole chuck? Remember missing? Yeah? But you remember
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: the whole night clearly?
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: I remember most is like a little foggy because I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: like obviously exhausted.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Kiara's conveniently timed memory lapse during the hours of Grace's
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: murder strongly suggests she's the one responsible. It almost feels deliberate,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: as if she's subtly acknowledging her guilt while using the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: moment to reinforce the idea of her mental instability. She
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: won't come right out and confess, but she'll make it
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: obvious it was her as long as her supposed illness
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: is in the same sentence. Detective Vigil knows this is nonsense,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: but instead of challenging her, he leans into it, encouraging
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: her to elaborate and reveal even more inconsistencies. Unaware of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: this strategy, Kiara walks right into his trap.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: Tell me about these other personalities. What's how do you like?
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: She's very protective.
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: She takes control when I'm in a very dangerous situation
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: and just says, Okay, I'm here now, I am going
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: to face this for you.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Jenks is troubling my people.
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: So how does it work?
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: So imagine you're in a house and I just bag
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: TV with the piece four or xbox or whatever. So
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: whoever's playing the game is in charge. Sometimes you can
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: peek over and kind of see what's going on. Sometimes
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: this personality just decides, oh, I'm going to go to
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: this room.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I can't see the TV. Sometimes it feels like it's
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: getting shocked.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Well, the associative episodes are sometimes described using imagery of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: rooms or houses. Her explanation sounds more like something taken
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: from a movie than the words of someone truly experiencing
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: psychological distress to take to visual recognizes this, but sticks
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to his plan, keeping her talking gradually, letting Kiara back
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: herself into a corner.
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: So who who's playing the game?
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Last night, I felt like.
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: I was in control for a little while, and then
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: it just kept getting really foggy, like I was being
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: thrown in.
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: Jail. Words, you're in control, meaning Froggy. Right, that's what
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: we're talking to now, Proggy. But before that, you remember everything.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: Well, so just like a lot of anger, more so
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: than those jinks. Has ever had a Babby's everywhen? And
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: I don't remember Jess being like that. But she was
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: also the one who was out more when.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: She was with Grace, Kiara says her personality. Jess had
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: been out well with Grace. However, just minutes ago, she
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: stated she hadn't seen Jess come out in years.
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: And there's one personality that I haven't seen in a
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: long time, and it was Jess.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Kiara in the interrogation room, you can only
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: lie for so long before things start to crumble.
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: You said something interesting earlier, you said, I'm He asked
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: about Grace. He asked if she was okay, and he
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: said that part of you would be okay if she
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: was dead, right, Yeah, have you ever thought about hurting
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: her or killing her?
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I thought a couple dreams like that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: I've got a couple of dreams like that.
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they were mostly right after Sometimes I would kill her.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: Sometimes I would her.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it was just me screaming at her.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: And how would you kill her?
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: Dependent on the dream it's had, like a bunch of
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: murder dreams, if you could call that. So, there's an
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: organization that I was in charge of. I probably shouldn't
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: be saying this to a cap well, that it's called Ghost.
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: They're like an underground version of Cops in a way,
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: but a little more intense day.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Kiara's explanation of her disturbing dreams shine light on a
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: core variable in her and Isaac's crimes, their idolization of violence.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: We've had to cut the next small portion of the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: interrogation out because Kiara discusses detailed dreams so grim they
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: unfortunately wouldn't be allowed on YouTube. This chilling theme can
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: be seen across Kiara's various social media profiles, all of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: which are still public to this day. Her constant posts
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: showcase a fascination for horror. Even just a day before
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Grace's murder, Kiara would post several demonic videos to her TikTok.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: These dark fascinations are things most teenagers outgrow, but for Kiara,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: they became reality. She speaks of an underground group called Ghost,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: offering few details beyond its obsession with deadly violence. Whether
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: she mentions it to support her insanity claim or to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: impress the detective is unclear, but the information is useful
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to the police. Detective Vigil presses further, hoping to draw
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: out anything she's willing to give.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I get rid of people who are and.
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: Works in charge of trafficking, in charge of anything that
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: has to deal with hurting kids.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: You kept trying to tell me, just do it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: And you're gonna just just got her, then you'll get
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: raped up.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: He had me join and I'm like, I don't know
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: what's going on, and I kept hesitating.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: It's like, what's that thing there?
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: That's honestly very confused because he has a cold inject shit,
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: just gave this to me.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: It's like, you know, your apartment, Like, okay.
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: Sounds like an initiation tattoo kind of yeah, ghost or
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: an underground society of people that kind of their own
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: version of cops and justice. They kind of kill bad people.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: And this is kind of me trying to piece deal.
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: They're kind of like what you're saying, Like the messages
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: I saw too, was Isaac trying to push you to
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: kill Grace.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had my dagger in my hand and then
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to stop. I felt a little kid's hand hold you back.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: The moment Detective Vigil gives Kiara the opportunity to blame
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Isaac for the murder, she takes it, bringing up details
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: about Isaac's underground organization as well as his repeated pressure
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: for her to kill Grace. And while Kiara has been
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: caught in a web of lies up until this point,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: her remarks about Isaac would turn out to be nearly
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: completely honest. Detective Vigil has achieved everything he could have
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: wanted from this interrogation, so he decides to end things,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: leaving Kiara to spend the night in jail. His focus
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: now is on Isaac and trying to hone in on
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: how implicated he actually was in this murder, so before
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: returning from his break, Vigil and his partner would devise
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a plan. Police confiscated his phone while being detained earlier
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that day. Traditionally, to gain access to the phone involves
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a multi month process involving warrants and various subpoenas. However,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: if they can get Isaac to sign a consent form,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they can gain access to his phone immediately and observe
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: his reaction in real time as they read his messages.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: With this plan in mind, Detective Vigil, along with his partner,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: would return back to Isaac's interrogation room.
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: Hey, Isaac, so I have your cell phone on our
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: thought phone. They're very important to us because we have
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: pretty much all our personal information on him and everything.
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: Given that there were kind of messages and stuff, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: this is the lack of investigation, there is reason that
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: there is potentially evidence on your phone. So one way
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: or another, we are going to have to look at
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: the data on the phone. And it's just a fancy
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: form and a fancy way of saying that you're giving
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: us permission to extract the data from your phone and
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: only look at things pertaining to this case.
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: Yes, I right that. Please have the phone password.
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: There's no password, password.
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: Just a quick slip.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: The plan works surprisingly well. Isaac seems to be completely
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: oblivious of what he just signed. Ironically, this very signature
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: will most likely seal his fate in court, exposing countless
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: deeply disturbing messages with Kiara Okay messages.
• 37:16
  Speaker 14: Did you have any messages between you and Grace Instagram?
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: Okay?
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: Okay, So this is kind of when earthing started. Hey,
• 37:23
  Speaker 17: I got kicked out and she's telling everyone to leave
• 37:25
  Speaker 17: her house. I'm going to hit to my fan's place
• 37:28
  Speaker 17: first of all. Who second, my mom can only come
• 37:32
  Speaker 17: give me through thirty?
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: Why is she kicking you out? And does she know
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: him here? Wait a minute, I.
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: Thought I thought you guys all hung out the night before.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: We did.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Grace actually thought she was being snuck into the home
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: without Kiara knowing. Clearly the two were planning something that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Grace was unaware of. Isaac completely freezes as he's lies
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: finally begin to catch up to him. You'll notice Isaac
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: go into this panic state often in the next twenty
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: five minutes because this is the first of many more
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: blatant lies detectives would find.
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: So how come she doesn't know if she's there? I
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: was very confused, and I told her, she's kicking me
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: out because you're here and she knows it. Did she
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: not know she was there? Because that's what looks like she.
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: Knew she was there?
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: Then why is it looking like in these messages.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: She knew she was there and acting like she knew
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: how she was And I was a part that threw
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: me off, was like, she's kicking us out?
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: Why is she kicking you out?
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: And how does she know I'm here. I'm like we discussed.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: Yes, okay. Where are your messages with Kiara?
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: Oh okay, she says, she's leading at three point thirty.
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: What would you like me to do? Stab her? I
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: don't know. I don't have the energy to do shit.
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: I am faked and thrown out. You're getting fake thrown out?
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: Yes, So usually how it happens. I get told to
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: leave five days later, it shots.
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: Me to come back.
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: Uh, unless I ask your mom to give me a
• 39:16
  Speaker 14: ride to target and you do what is needed?
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: What do you mean you do what is needed?
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: I have no clue from this one from beyond here.
• 39:24
  Speaker 10: I don't know what's going on.
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: You don't know what's going on, but these are messages
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: from you.
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: I do have another self hoe and tell you guys
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: about that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: It's still over there at the house. So you didn't
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: send these messages or you did?
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: On this from down on, everything Isaac is saying is
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a terribly orchestrated act. Moments of clear incrimination like this
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: are often considered the critical moments of an interrogation. It's
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the point in which every decision the detective makes can
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: be the difference between a complete confession or a failed
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: session with a suspect. Isaac's nervous behavior indicates he knows
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: things are slipping out of control, so Detective Visial makes
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the smart decision to give up the nice compact and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: start pressing for answers.
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  Speaker 14: Isaac, this is a getting really weird, man, I have
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: a second phone. You have a second phone? Yes, where
• 40:18
  Speaker 14: is that phone.
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: That's at the house? Okay, it is logged into the
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: same Facebook account.
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  Speaker 14: I don't know, man, These these messages look a lot
• 40:26
  Speaker 14: like there's some conspiring going on, some planning going on.
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: From that point where I was telling you from.
• 40:33
  Speaker 14: Even before then, it sounds like you guys are planning something.
• 40:35
  Speaker 14: You're fake getting thrown out.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: And what I say faking throwing out My fasht was
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: do you want to start over?
• 40:42
  Speaker 14: Because I'm I'm really confused with everything that's going on.
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: Like you're telling me you have two phones now, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: those other messages aren't you, And it's what you're telling me.
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: Your statement isn't lighting up with.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: These messages, Isaac's demeanor has shifted drastically from just minutes prior.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: He knows how poorly things have just gotten for him.
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: Now, I told you at the beginning of this talk
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: that we need to be we need to be truthful. Yes, right,
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: I am being truthful.
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: I do have a secondary phone, and I'm telling you
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: the messages. They're from Kiara to.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Using my Facebook, from me to Kiara.
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: But I can't quite explain how it.
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: Looks Kiara to Kiara. Yes, why would she do that?
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: She's told me that she's wanted to ruin my life.
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: Dagger because it's blunt? What does that mean?
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: She was asked?
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: She asked me a question in the room, like what
• 41:41
  Speaker 16: what is the difference between the dagger and this forward?
• 41:44
  Speaker 10: Okay and that message?
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Dagger?
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Because it's why is blunt better? She says?
• 41:49
  Speaker 14: You say it cuts like butter? She says, just gonna
• 41:52
  Speaker 14: stab the throat.
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: Is what she's trying to say, the thought. Just gonna
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: stab the thought? Yes? Instead? Or will it take longer?
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: What does she mean? Instead?
• 42:03
  Speaker 14: What do we do about the mess? We burn it
• 42:06
  Speaker 14: and I'll buy a new blankets in bed? What's going
• 42:09
  Speaker 14: on here, Isaac?
• 42:10
  Speaker 16: She said, stab is gonna stab the thought? And I
• 42:14
  Speaker 16: found thought bike.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: Oh, she was poking the thought that was in her
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: head about her tagger.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: Okay, what about the mess? What mess? Pope, miss poop
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: kind of mess? Can you help this time?
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: I am just waiting for you to make the first move.
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: What does she mean I'm waiting for you to make
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: the first move. She will wait till sleep? Shall we
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: wait till sleep? So you guys slept in a bed
• 42:41
  Speaker 14: full of poop?
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: Yes? Remember when you told me don't be you when
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: I kissed you? Yeah?
• 42:46
  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, brat, we will have to take care of
• 42:48
  Speaker 14: the message. I thought she already pooped herself. What mess
• 42:51
  Speaker 14: you gets to take care of?
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: I can't tell if she's falling asleep.
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: It feels like it. Her feet are on my side.
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: I wish you'd make the first move for once. Remember
• 43:03
  Speaker 14: you'll move up the ranks. Plus you get perks in
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: the black market since this is your first, your first.
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: What see, Isaac? What the hell happened? I can see
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: the messages. I'm not done. This is the first time
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: I've done this. What is happening?
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: She was planning with killing Grace. I just didn't want a.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: Part of it. It doesn't seem like I'm trying to
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: top her out of it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: I was only sending a message back in a Koreans
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: as I turned my back towards.
• 43:33
  Speaker 14: This isn't agree, it's remember, you'll move up in ranks,
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: plus you get perks in the black market since this
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: is your first. This sounds like you're encouraging her messages
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: are here, Dude, I know, I know.
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: Did you help Kiara do this? No? No, but you
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: knew it was going to happen.
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: I knew it was going to happen.
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: You knew it was gonna happen. Planted out Ciarra planned
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: it out. When how long had this been a planed for?
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: She had planned it out since twenty twenty.
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: Kiara planned to kill Gray since twenty twenty, and then
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: last night Grace messages that you looking for a place
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: to stay, and that's the opportunity for this.
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: I didn't see it as an opportunity. I saw it
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: as an opportunity, more like, let's squash your reading.
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: Then, why are you saying you'll make it up the
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: ranks plus your perks in the black market since this
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: is your first, because you're talking about killing her?
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: You're right, I was what else did this mean?
• 44:32
  Speaker 10: I was trying to talk about something else because I'm.
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: Trying to get my mind off Isaac Grilly you're trying
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: to talk about something else there, Yes, and I'm no,
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: how do I aim?
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: How do I aim? Right? Just aim? Well, won't tell
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: me what we're talking about there.
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: That's call of duty.
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: That's call of duty. Tell me when okay, I'll give
• 44:53
  Speaker 14: a count six five. I can't get dude.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Four.
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: I'm shaking. Dude, I know I lose the nervous. Help
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: me drive it through, Help me drive it through.
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: She was asking me to do to stab her. Yes,
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: help me drive the dagger through. Grace anger me. I
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: am going to pretend to sleep so it looks non conspicuous.
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: Tell me about all that. Those are not my messages
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: because help me just do it. Be ready to grab
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: her or a trash bag. She is your list. Don't
• 45:28
  Speaker 14: tell me this isn't you messaging. I know this is
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: your messaging. Be transparent and tell me there's what's going
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: on here.
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: She had talked to me and said, so what now,
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: And I was like this, this is gonna be your
• 45:44
  Speaker 10: first way out if you just leave this.
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: Alone, you're hitting her to do this. Come on, Isaac, Isaac,
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: we all these messages.
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: Man, you're gonna sit here and tell me you're gonna
• 45:56
  Speaker 14: look me in the eye, and you're gonna tell me
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: that you were trying to talk her out of this.
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: I can right here you're telling her to do it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 14: I wish you to stop with all the What I
• 46:04
  Speaker 14: feel like is you try to figure out lies every
• 46:07
  Speaker 14: message we go through. If things will be a lot
• 46:09
  Speaker 14: better for you moving on, if you just come out
• 46:12
  Speaker 14: and you cooperate and he tell us everything that happen,
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: tells the truth, tell us everything, you'll have it better
• 46:16
  Speaker 14: for you.
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: Would be able to talk to you privately.
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: Yes, you want to leave? Yes, all right, kidd.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Isaac would request to have a private conversation with Detective Vigil,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: which he would oblige to based on police reports. Isaac
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: would go on to admit to sending all the text
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: messages and confess he wanted Grace dead all along, although
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: remaining stern that he was not directly involved in the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: actual killing. Later that week, detectives would go on to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: interview both Kiara's mother as well as Isaac's This killing
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: came as a complete shock to everyone, who were completely
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: unaware of the dark path their children had been going down.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It sheds light on the importance of closely monitoring your
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: children as you never know what's going on in their lives,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: at least not fully. Both Kiara and Isaac were charged
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: with first degree murder. At first, it seemed as though
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Kiara's plan had worked, as a judge found her incompetent
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to stand trial and sent her to the New Mexico
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Behavioral Health Institute. However, a month later she was deemed
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: competent by professionals and returned back to the Santa Fe
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: County jail. In February twenty twenty five, Kiara pleaded guilty
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to second degree murder and agreed to testify against Isaac.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors say the crime's brutality could still bring up to
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: thirty years. Isaac initially took a plea, then in November
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, fired his lawyers, voided the deal and
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: pled not guilty. Now, with a new legal team that
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: needs to get up to speed, the start date for
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Isaac's trial has been pushed back once more. If found guilty,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: he'll likely be facing similar penalties as Kiara. They'll likely
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: be behind bars until two thousand fifty five is