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EMERGENCY EP - Saints Trade Shaheed and Penning + More! · Saints Block Party Podcast

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[SPEAKER_02]: Last I know music, no intro, we are back on a Tuesday night, thanks block party podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Adam here joined with my guy, my dude Ryan aka Wolf, presented by precious works LLC.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is an emergency podcast episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Deadline episode where we are breaking down the moves that the New Orleans Saints made at the Trade Deadline today in the NFL, training, trading, excuse me, right receiver Rashid Hed to the Seattle Seahawks, an uptaining a fourth and a fifth round pick in the 2026 NFL draft and that the last minute trading, guard tackle Trevor Penning to the Los Angeles Chargers and getting
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[SPEAKER_02]: six-round pick in 2027.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But before we get into anything, I want to give some love to our guy, Bajan, who
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it gives them giving love to Bajan and Nat Then with a lot of Arya his their beloved dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, also wanted to give love to our due dash Excuse me
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our due dash is step dad is battling battling cancer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, regardless of where the saints are at the team with an organization,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like not the priority, like the priority is always like our community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when things are happening in our community, that's hurting our community, like it hurts us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So much love condolences and love to our people who support us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just wanted to kind of, you know, kind of talk about that out the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No question, man, much love to be shown in-dash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real life shit, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely, and that shit hurts, but we love y'all and thank y'all for being so supportive and appreciate of pretty appreciate of appreciate of us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if y'all need anything, we're always attacked so call away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, just let us know if y'all need anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's, I want to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like reflective of the trades, of foe shade and pinning being moved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we can kind of get into like the deeper of like the mist rays that didn't happen because that's a that's deeper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's start with the shade one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had always kind of maintained as things were getting closer that like if the two of she he'd in the lobby like she he'd was always more likely of the one to be removed like to be moved the Saints that like when what I had heard like really didn't want to move Chris a lot like they really didn't want to move him like unless they got blown away by an offer she he was going to be
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[SPEAKER_02]: likely to want to be moved, which is so interesting because everything leading up to the season do the off season, you know, Shaheed and the Saints were really talking about an extension.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then once I hit about like week one and week two, according to my friend, like the it just became like
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[SPEAKER_02]: got quiet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know if it just got to like the numbers where the Saints felt like she was going to be a free agent at the end of the season and like they were just too far apart and they weren't going to make a work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for them to get a fourth and a fifth was they they wonder third.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they really really were holding out fourth third.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were never going to get that first seed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there was not going to be a scene that was going to
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[SPEAKER_02]: pay him like a big contract.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But see, I don't make so much sense because you have Clint Kubiak as their O.C.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who was very familiar with she had not utilized him and he not made a lot of big plays and Clint Kubiak system last season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So to get the fourth and the fifth good value, then look back and like, oh, you gave him a fourth for a Valleys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, man, if you hadn't gave that up, you could essentially be sitting and then
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[SPEAKER_02]: then no, two-force right now, but that's different conversation for a different day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And just in Shahee's time, I'm gonna miss him as a player who was just... See, me such a electric player for the Saints.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the thing you can maybe look at in terms of why the extension didn't happen and maybe his time in the world is, and I think a conversation you could be had is just like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he grew as a white receiver from just being like the pump returner the kickoff kick returner And he grew as a white receiver, but I think the true question of like how much of a true Rye receiver She he'd was like has has has had to grow into Truly truly grown to Is I think that's still a question now you could like then argument you be like well like how is he gonna grow in this environment like
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[SPEAKER_02]: And thus plus these hatches, the injuries, these hatches, but it's actually been injured until this season, like every season that he's played in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's sad to see him go, but the return that they got for him, it baits it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And pretty good value they got back in return for our on-draft at free agent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, man, no question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna miss him, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, exciting player, different type of speed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Speed, you just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: fast players in a draft all the time, but there's different types of speed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a different speed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a, I call it, gravity player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when he's on a field, like defense is just, it shifts and moves based on what he's doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you just hold the finalist players and he's one of those players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it just made sense to a bassist to move them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to pay them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just where the saints are, as far as like, allocate resources, projecting where you're going to allocate resources for the next couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All these moving pieces, you are a rebuild and teen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't make sense to say, heed part just didn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, heed is like a luxury car that like a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a rich guy would have his second, you know, like his second car fat or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we, we're in the projects, we're in the hood, like we ain't dead yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not dead yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We still got a lot of building to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to get out credit rate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We still trying to build.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just like pants, he just wouldn't make those sense right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She reminds me kind of stick with that analogy and I don't, I'm not the type person that I really prize in to like people's business, but like sometimes as a social worker, like I'll pull up to an apartment complex that's like in the ghetto, like in the hood, like the hood and then
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[SPEAKER_02]: You notice like there's a lexis in part of the grudge or a beam in the back of the watch How are you all doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute now I don't want to judge But It's like there's like some things I wouldn't even feel right like you know, I'm saying like Like if I'm like if I'm broke like okay, I'm broke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm broke because it's your boy I ain't got twenty dollars in my big account
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, 500 bands, I feel crazy like you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting there, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't even put gas in my bands, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's like, that's how I feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, bass, you know, 18 maids a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, bro, we can't even feel a functional team right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we doing, bass, you know, 18 maids dollars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it just, it made sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, and to get a fourth of the film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good value, like what I do is going to be a free agent in a couple of weeks, a couple of months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to be able to get that right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you recoup some of the picture laws of the, of a late trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Jacobi, uh, Meyer, Jacobi Myers, that trade kind of set the floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because he had traded for a fourth and a sixth to the way to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can check them out, Jacksonville.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before 4th or 6th, so it was funny you saw it like this, the heat tray coming like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not to learn today, you know what I'm saying to them today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got more value for she he which is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense because she heed is younger, but he's also, yeah, he's going to be a free agent after this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's going to be a free agent and basically costs nothing as far as money right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's not damn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but if you're just renting them for the year, literally want to affect your cap at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you see all this is like, we go see what you could do in that
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just made me money sense for team like the sea hogs that's like you know what they're five and two Looking like one of the best teams in the NFC I go get it like you know saying nobody's there's no great team right now in NFL And you can say it's like all bad this team is going to the Super Bowl
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[SPEAKER_01]: You wanted a better team, go strike wildside, but talk and try to see what you can get, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it was interesting, but like you said, that for later, it just looks most dangerous made for later, even most stink.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was already stinking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I say the funny thing, it's not really funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people like automatically assume that like now that she's going like the ladies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's just going automatically go up on Sunday when you play the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because this is what I can gain by a reading between the lines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kelli Moore didn't want to trade for ability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was not a trade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was not a player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think maybe he did want a bigger or a receiver, but then like, what is not the player that he wanted?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The leg was traded for because Mickey Loomis won it by leg.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this speaks of, this was, I think this was a Sean Peyton just just playing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Playing Mickey, like a fucking fiddle, a fiddle man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mick, I got this by a leg, like he's the second, come on of Marcus Kostin and I'm just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the compensation for melee terrible, awful because of the age, because of the injuries, all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, when melee's been in the game and like he's made plays, so to me, even though the tray compensation for melee wasn't good, that's on Kellen for not being able to maximize and use him a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Effectively.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you don't want you don't want to trade for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, motherfucker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's on the team now Like that's just bad coaching at that point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just becomes bad coaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care how you feel if you don't want to trade for him play him You're often things and that's just things for a couple of weeks play him Play him struggled in the struggle in the resin and literally every week he gets asked about it and he's no pulls the peak peak car Michael.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on me
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know when, but it was after the Rams game and his response was something on the lines of, I think it was maybe Monday because I listened to the press conference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said something on the lines of, you know, there wasn't, we didn't have many opportunities because he didn't get into the red zone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Naga is, is, do you realize that being late can be played outside of the red zone?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we like to, what we like to if 13 on 3rd down or something like that on 2 of 18 or something like 3rd down could does come, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, you guys, you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon cooks making big physical catches on third down like he's our position physical position where I receive her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon cooks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon cooks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You eat this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally you go watch our film city.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be putting out our film city early today literally watching I'm like, man, I'm looking at a route cooks run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sure could see for late, really next same route.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just I think he got the 12 snaps against
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm just, I'm just, I'm just putting this out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would not shock me at all to see his naps go up to like, maybe like 18 or 19 on Sunday against.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, I'm not, I'm not expecting a huge bump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, bro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, cuz it might, no, no, Mason Tipton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tipton, go get them to these naps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For I'm, I'm, soon come, soon come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That anyhow, let's put a dirty pit
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hold things a mess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hold things a mess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let's spread.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get to the Trevor pit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say this about the Saints today in terms of the players that they traded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got good value because they get anything for fucking Trevor pinning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got a 227, a 266.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, click.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, why is that this tip didn't even have a catch yet?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That whole, if you want to, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a long, dissection, yeah, but one of the biggest follies, you can point to in this just awful rebuild was Mickey, poorly self-scouting
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[SPEAKER_02]: and feeling like even though Sean Peyton had left and drew left a year before that this the Saints were still competing like still.
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[SPEAKER_02]: can go out there and win the NFC South and making that trade with Philly and getting two first round picks in 2022.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone, I've told people this, like everyone was saying like the trade with Philly and getting another first round pick was like for Chris Alave, it wasn't for Chris Alave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you can say it was like if that's what it is in your head, the team will tell you that that was for like Trevor Penny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They tried to make guard left out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry, the Charterman left tackle, trying to make right tackle, trying to make left guard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And ultimately, he gets traded to the Chargers where I would assume they would probably try them back at tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's like, oh, so maybe Jim Harboural is gonna get something out of him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is not going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where this is coming from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It ain't going happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: like, like, just a Herbert, be a lookout buddy, like, it ain't happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And flush, flush to the other side, but I just have that little time in the bag of your head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One, one, one and a half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's no one and a half.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not, not happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a trait like that just set back, just set back the team so far, so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the thing is like, the tweet that the social media team put up of like thank like thank you for like the time you were in the black and gold three years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are first round pit and you are with the team three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least he got a thank you bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My time still week still weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was still week It was it actually surprised me bro like that that's where it actually I was like oh I just didn't expect that Because he was he was starting you know saying like wasn't playing good, but he was starting I just didn't I mean I know she was playing but we but she he just like You know he's an actual asset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just didn't even consider pending to be honest, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: First, because like who's going to want them in second?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, he's in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they felt because Andrew just said in the chat, pinning was always good for some dumbass penalties and you'll leave each game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they felt like, because even he had some against Rams, he had some, I can't get against the bucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's, he's usually had numerous penalties.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And look, I mean, Rose Jackson brought up a good
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you look at like the Saints like run game, the success rate and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we're done, it was in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck for a penny at the beginning of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like first two games, when Pinnon was out here, the run game was fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get what I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you could measure from like when Pinnon came back, against the bills, it was pretty good against the bills, but the bills don't fit that terrible run defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But after that, it's just got consecutively worse and worse and worse and worse since Pinnon been in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to take, don't let it take, we'll tell you that, like you look at the tank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's just, it's been hard, hard win the run game, it isn't, he's not only win, we're easing the hard win the run game to, everybody got dirty hands in the run game, but Pippinning has not been good, not been an asset in the run game, so maybe they feel like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, putting redunds in there, ratings, obviously it, putting them in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not great, but you get the job because pinn hair like a lot of midswearers, like it's a lot of bits of mistakes, blocking the wrong guy, not getting up on the second level of block the right guy, that squeezing in this side, squeezing in that side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a lot of mental mistakes that just, it is slow feet, he's always playing high, the leverage gets pushed back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might upgrade just by going to redundant, just that move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to get a six form is like, okay, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least when a pro bear's been a bitch of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that he was going to be a free agent after the season and he's probably not, probably not brought back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, oh, it's also just said, mission like, yeah, this was a bus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: this year with him starting like yeah you know he's a first rump and he's contributing but when you get a six of future six rump back that's a mission from the league basically like yeah this guy was a bus he's a bus whoo that drive dead at 22 that's some other bad was before that but that feels like a nexus point
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[SPEAKER_01]: in like the saints, to where we are now, like the where the saints are now, that 2022 draft feels like a nexus point when Mickey Loom is with left when he should have went right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was with the trade with the Eagles, so they had two first rompics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got a lot of they, Henning, a latte, the Marco Jackson, who's now with the bears, and Jordan Jackson, who's now with the Broncos, who actually just turned out to be a period decent player with the Broncos when he's healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, depends on tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, which is like so annoying, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next is Point Perh, like, that was probably the time they should have hit the reset button.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember, our remember day of their marriage, we'd rather tell you, man, since got some good assets, man, that was starting trading.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, sit down, but keep pushing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been the time, because it's all out of the net.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of those agencies that we can't even move right now, those were good assets back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would have been looking like the jets today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, getting, you know, top 100 picks and second round picks and first round picks for, you know, Camp Jordan, tomorrow your date is, uh, March on a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: March on a lot more.
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25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: 10, 30-ish, uh, for most of y'all, probably feels like 11, 30, because of the day, like, saving time with, and the only thing this time has been laying calls to me.
25:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it is like the last two to three years, because it's like, time changes.
25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Never used to really affect me in the last two to three years.
25:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I'm gonna order bruts, just put, just, all, order bruts.
25:53
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it for, it's all for, it's all for us, for us, for us, for us.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,
26:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about this is, and this is the shit that, that the, the, the, the GM of the Saints making limits is, this is why the Saints are the, where the Saints are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the Saints had and this is crazy like not super crazy but because like the assets and the players are depreciating assets and we've watched these players and we know that they're not like super good but there are a lot of players on this team that a lot of teams were very interested in, a lot of Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pete Warner trying to think of all of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So give me a second.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to tell you the Pete Warner, call Granderson, who else?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Brandon Cook's, Chris O'Lave, obviously, AK, but that like he was had little chance of being moved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow, Dave is yet very little chance of being moved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cam Jordan, very little chance of being moved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Come think of anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Devon, gotcha, I think that's about it.
27:22
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's like what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's nine players.
27:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Saints did not move any of those players.
27:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I can understand not moving Chris O'Lave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to get into the Oak Resilovative debate, but I'll say that I can understand that not moving him simply because his fifth of your options picked up that super cheap and if they were to draft the quarterback next year, it just makes sense to have a starting caliber and if it were silver on the team for a quarterback to throw two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to get into the Resilovative, that's all I'll say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you have the GM,
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[SPEAKER_02]: overpricing the value on these players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Give me perfect example.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it was Tom Pellacero, or Jimmy Fowler, that after the sauce gardener to quote straight happen today, mentioned that, you know, the quotes also were talking to the Saints about online Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to give you some more detail about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Holtz, spoke to Mickey Lumman's last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: offered a fourth round pick for a latte tailored.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same latte tailored that we just saw get abused all game on Sunday against the Rams, Ryan.
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And Mickey, like, did posturing?
28:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, nah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nah, we can do better than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, we can bed, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Went to bed last night, thinking that he was gonna wake up this morning, with like, I don't know if he wanted like a parsley, picked on on top of it, like a seven, or like a, I don't know, bro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no fucking clue of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he was expecting a third.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no fucking idea what he was thinking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The court said, bet, call it up the jets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The sauce garnered trade app.
29:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the question is I was going to ask like does Mickey watch the games or I'm pretty sure he doesn't watch the games because he doesn't know not even at the games when he's like he doesn't attend the games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I can almost guarantee you his logic was wait, the best team in the NFL was a player on my team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, fourth, a fourth not good enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That means he's a great player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not letting him go for just a fourth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need more than that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted a fourth round pick also for Pete Warner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pete Warner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pete Warner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you have a rookie, lobbacker behind him, that may be a better player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Overvaluing his own players, don't know how to self-scope.
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like somebody that had a car that they loved, and they did all the other changes on and over the years, they kept it up, but...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, bro, are you trying to sell that car so one in the chat mohees, but have fees You do realize that the fourth round pick you get for a latte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You would You would have to use to replace him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why you should only trade skill players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry Do you what the fuck are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you do He's gonna be a free agent
31:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck out my face where I like like trading a latte with create such a dire hole like oh, oh my god We just we just we just we just we just trade all the lats The hearts all the same Fuck you fuck out my face that bulls shit
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a free age.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like just like jumping in just like what she needs a free age at a jail burn To lost my best friend of what I tell you miss who miss tacos and don't know how to play it don't correct And just heartbroken Don't be so tackles a lot of the coverage is like What are the most nerve-racking
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna miss his two splash plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He makes a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's gonna make a stick plate.
32:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm gonna make a stick tackle All right, all right So and so to tell the scary part is they didn't trade him a Lante I'm referring to it.
32:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It was coming
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: If I loom his work, bro, I can't take it, bro.
32:47
[SPEAKER_02]: If they didn't turn around and extend a Lante in the off, loom his double down on his idiocy.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I keep, I keep something dumb and then double down on it, just to prove that he's not dumb.
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I look, we just signed a Lante Taylor to a three-year extension.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a good player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We drafted.
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want me to come a long way, it's leadership, it's come a long way, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
33:41
[SPEAKER_02]: the just have not been a good organization for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do respect what they did today.
33:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It might not work.
33:50
[SPEAKER_02]: It might not work at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It may be fucking just blow up in their faith.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they realized that they were one in seven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what the players that they have and what have you has not been working.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's so
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[SPEAKER_02]: blow this shit up, let's blow it up.
34:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And the difference between the jets and the saints is that the players are much more highly coveted and more was more had a vast market in terms of their value.
34:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now they're the jets draft stock or draft cabinet currency, yeah, it's fucking stock.
34:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop, I, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that the sense could have pulled off something similar to that today, because they weren't getting any first rompics, any second rompics telling that they could team, would have offered them a second rompics for a lot of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a fourth with the Lonté for sure, fifth with Warner, don't know the team, and then you get a look at your rookie linebacker that you spent the draft pick on.
35:23
[SPEAKER_02]: They could have traded, and then you could have traded cooks, and then gotten that awful cap, that 7.7 million, cap number off your books.
35:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You would have gotten like a 2021 pick, but just to get off the
35:41
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't going to trade got caught because they felt like he was too like a valuable bet presence, even though he just got here.
35:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they were too much of a bet.
35:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the release thing, I don't know if the only team that was offered after release was the Seahawks, because I was kind of told like the Seahawks had decided if they wanted to go interior or go white receiver and they went white receiver instead of going and line help.
36:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And if the Seattle was only other team, the other team, only team, interested in movies, that makes sense.
36:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So, the things could have stopped up more with this rebuild that they're in.
36:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And their GM said, nah, I'm good.
36:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Mickey is horrible, man.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: We're good to do it, really.
36:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievable, but he's not fired.
36:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievable.
36:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's only because the saint, the way the saint's operate.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they operate like a small town, my little pop shop, even though they're a multi-billion dollar business, multi-billion dollar business, man.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But like we just talked to 20, 22 drafts.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That drafts, that alone should be fireable.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't even got it.
37:13
[SPEAKER_02]: 2019, 2020, you know what came out to the 2022 draft, the 2020 draft, just horrible.
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: That was Brian Brisey, who was holding that draft up by God's will.
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan Houghton, 80 peri, horrible man, Mickey Loomuses, it makes it hard to be having hope for this team, there it is.
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes it hard to have any hope, man, like no matter, he
38:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say people were like, oh, who the jets and the browns have multiple drafts, like have multiple first rounders and who we have, maybe going to have a number of raw pick, we get to control the drafts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, trade down, this is then a Mickey, whoop, Mickey, you trust in, you trust in this, and they go with the most important trade down and say it's history?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, okay, we had like a head coach that would like counterbalance Mickey and it's like, okay, but we got somebody that's smart in the room, somebody that was going on like we had Sean Peyton that counterbalance balance Mickey, no, no, we got killing me, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay
38:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I feel like it's a Mickey issue, but fundamentally it's more of like a Gilbinson issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said this and our discord.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And our serious, like the way that to get true change is it has to be a change in affecting Gail's pocketbook.
39:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And that means truly like not going to Saints games like not buying Saints merchandise and I said I suggested I was like yeah, we could still do our big meet up next year, but like maybe instead of not like instead of going to the game together, we got to find like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some order just go and watch like watch the game and watch the game won't even it's like sincerely Like you and if you are a Saints fan and you want to see them like maybe try to find like if they're playing like in a way game Find like in a way game ticket and see him like on the road because that that money doesn't go to go it goes to The homeowner
40:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't buy merchandise the same thing for the Americans like people like oh, we're gonna go to the gates We're gonna win the bags and I is like, oh, just don't go don't go to the bad thing.
40:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Just don't go Show show vote to practice vote with your pockets when they call when they email about the season ticket Say no, I don't want them.
40:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to fire picking loomers
40:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that's, and I know for people who have been like, season ticket holders for like the absolute longest, and it's been like a family thing.
40:38
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41:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, Wayne said, we got to not spend money.
41:06
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really what it's about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jackson, make you would be calling around to trade up with the first row of pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, can I go high?
41:24
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... wesley said trading reeds on lante peat cooks would have made it so much easier to just sit back and say it is what it is for the rest of the now not that i won't still do that but it be easier oh bruss it's been it's been it is what it is for a long time oh yeah like we'll talk about it we'll talk about it on the panther's preview pod tomorrow but
41:55
[SPEAKER_01]: and not an offensive line looking like 2024, what's the plan?
42:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I think we're done so it's gonna do a little better job than pinning.
42:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least be a wash, it'll be a wash. And then you guys suck back there, post suck getting that red, let's see if it's not for us, like, good luck, work, make it enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First time, huh?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even goes from, from today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, not really, man.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it, uh, I thought it was about, about as expected, you know, the, the, the, the turbo pity thing.
44:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it was a kind of a surprise, but not shocking, you know, I'm saying like I thought it and I thought it was a good move just to kind of admit failure there and move on, you know, saying all and with which he, you know, it sucks to have even less juice, not like we had a light already to have even less juice, that sucks, but it pays the way, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only for guys like Raleigh, you know, to get on the field, but to get some juice going forward, man.
44:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you need to come from draft time and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to see what other players we could do, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, good luck to see.
44:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I hope you go out there and, uh, and ball out, you know, first, first touch in the NFL was a touchdown.
44:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like crazy.
44:57
[SPEAKER_01]: as an undrafted free agent coming on to the NFL from a small school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody, first time you put your hand on a ball, it's a touchdown.
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't make it right a better story than that, bro.
45:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't write a better story.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't.
45:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like spit ball on the top of my head.
45:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be so just nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If shot could show enough to rest of the season, that really would, if the things do end up with that number on overall pick, they can make a trade, either with the jets, and, you know, jets for the browns and move from one to three or four and pick up another
45:56
[SPEAKER_02]: excuse me and clutch and this is just me in my head right I can see it going with what then could draft either Reese or Caleb Downs as the first player and then add a player like
46:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why that's how y'all should be thinking, Mickey, like, man, where's your brain trust broke?
46:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, get some fresh minds in the building man and really think through this rebuild process.
46:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Really think it through what is coming to me off you and what is what is he doing?
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What is his job?
46:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, literally, what is his job in it?
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Got Randy Bula back there.
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are they?
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: What are y'all doing?
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: What are y'all doing?
46:51
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the scouts doing right now?
46:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all should be
46:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Friday through all these players right now, or you could, you could, you could use the sub out for a spell with Jeremiah love running back from Notre Dame, like beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
47:06
[SPEAKER_02]: There are so many ways that if they ended up with the first, the number on overall pick, and I could very much see in,
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Cleveland and the jet's wanting to come up for a for Nanda as if he cleared the clearing of the draft that you can and like move down trade down like our friend Jordan where we was talking about on our 200 episode and help your team out so much like truly so much and like inject
47:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, hopefully, great players on both sides of the ball and God knows it's needed.
47:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not saying anything like, that's like groundbreaking or anything like that.
47:50
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it just boils down to like, can these, can these niggas do it?
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, can these niggas do it?
47:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You need it.
47:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to do a good draft.
47:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to, you need to, you need to knock this out to 12.
48:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember hearing something like, I remember a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was 2017, like before the drafts,
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[SPEAKER_01]: we need to knock this draft out the park like it's it's an honest you know what I'm saying you need to make this a focus man like this draft needs to be exquisite and I'm not just talking about the first round on the second round I'm talking about routes for all of them right we know you're not going to hit on everything but you need to
48:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to try, like you need to put your best effort.
48:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm watching the Ram's defensive line destroy us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All that one, those would know first round picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No point of fault was a damn was on another team.
48:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He was floating around the lead.
48:46
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the other kid name?
48:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot his name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a man around Colby Turner and by a year ago, we're both drafted in the third round of the same round of the rest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're rounders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where's that kind of scouting it?
48:58
[SPEAKER_01]: That's type of scouting I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, I want to get a player where two years later, you like, how did this player fall there for?
49:06
[SPEAKER_01]: How did this, we in the last time we had a player like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We looked at this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How the hell did we get that player right there?
49:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the last time.
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the last time ever.
49:19
[SPEAKER_01]: See, they got them to, as little as they, 2018, 2019.
49:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to, it was, it was, it was, the, maybe 18, 19, the McCoy Jamf.
49:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Air McCoy Jamf, the Air McCoy Jamf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 2019, we're, we're 19.
49:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Six damn years since we got a player where it's like, wow, how do we get that player?
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe you are all you're posting to be a debo, but I mean,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and we should have been, and it was definitely a CD.
49:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because most, we've had, you know, we've gotten some good players, but they were about, okay, at the level where you took them.
49:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm talking about going to your players the where it's like, okay, we got a value, like we really got a value right here.
50:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's what the thing's going to have to do.
50:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But look, we got months, months and months before, months, before we find out about that shit.
50:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is to be what's cooking in their brain right now, because this season is cooked.
50:19
[SPEAKER_01]: This season is done, is done, is done.
50:22
[SPEAKER_02]: It is every, everyone's like, worry that, like the same thing in us.
50:29
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but like, they're gonna win their matchup against the chest, now that they traded Quinn Williams in South Garden, I'm like,
50:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you actually watched the Saints in games?
50:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you actually watched them these last couple of games?
50:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, y'all think I don't need the Saints in a game.
50:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Y'all think these Saints are gonna contain Justin Feele in like scrambling and all this, when you know Aaron Glenn's gonna be very motivated to beat the Saints and make you a little mess.
51:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
51:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little fascinated just by that section of the schedule.
51:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, the Titans, Titans, the ASL, the ASL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go, go, go, go, go, go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really wants it.
51:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who really doesn't want it?
51:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it.
51:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Johnson, no.
51:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want that.
51:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it.
51:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be some hilarious shit.
51:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to watch them gauge.
51:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying this, it's like not impossible.
51:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Could you imagine if they lost all three of those games bro?
51:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Like not even like not even like purposely thinking just like, you know, just lost.
51:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Just lost.
51:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think this had my go.
51:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just aren't good enough.
51:57
[SPEAKER_01]: They've already gotten worse.
51:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you know, she, you a worse team.
52:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You are a worse team right now.
52:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I can't wait.
52:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to it.
52:07
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing, that's when you know, we're true psychos.
52:10
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing I wanted to address, Jack Anderson, I kind of feel like they screwed the QB thing up because I'd keep Chuck and Bubble wrap into the last four games.
52:18
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't eat eight games to know if the kid can play if he gets hurt game over.
52:22
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think that's not a degree, completely disagree.
52:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Four games, he's definitely not enough to make an abomination or assessment, especially.
52:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It was hard, it was hard to get it to be valid.
52:33
[SPEAKER_01]: This little one game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: against the Rams, you know, and he did some good stuff.
52:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But like he was just, this the way the game went, the game flow just was hard to get like a good, come away, feel it any kind of way about him.
52:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
52:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So now he need all nine or ten of these games.
52:48
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to get you need all of them every snap, every snap.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the end, by the end, you shouldn't know.
52:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Like at the end, at the end of the day, you should know if, if you're questioning it at the end of this run,
53:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have a answer.
53:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the guy.
53:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That's your answer.
53:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to go get Mendoza or whatever.
53:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you're going to do.
53:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know that's not the answer.
53:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I'll ask you though.
53:13
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're questioning this is, this is probably not the podcast answers, but I'll ask you it since it's on my brain right now.
53:20
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're questioning it at the end of
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have a team, you maybe have the jets or the browns who will need to offer you two first round picks in this draft and maybe like a second in next year's draft or maybe even a first in next year's draft, but you know when you're heart that Tyler's
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean you better do you love Mendosa?
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the point.
54:00
[SPEAKER_01]: If you love Mendosa, just take Mendosa.
54:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You screw the picks and you're going to get him.
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
54:07
[SPEAKER_01]: If you love him.
54:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're not like, if you're not like, man, if you're not like, I've got to have Mendosa, if you're not feeling like that, then take the picks and then go and sign.
54:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe keep random, or I'll go sign to a two of my people, like, ring two up in here.
54:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a one year or a one year deal in a subset, and then, you know, back in actually, you know, you right back at it, you know, you've been living year to year, like a lot of teams do, a lot of teams live year to year, like that, you know, with the quarterback position, looking there is all about the, uh, have, uh, you know, take brisk it out there, brisk it.
54:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He, on the, he out there every all season for some team of grab, every all season and he's about to be the starting quarterback for the Carlos, at least this year, you know what I'm saying?
54:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you may just have to think just like, limp along like that at the quarterback position until you get that guy, you know, but this team needs so much
55:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I can walk away if I'm being offered three-first round picks, but I couldn't do it, but I think it's just to plead it,
55:36
[SPEAKER_01]: The titan's got over some big shit, you know what I'm saying with right cam board sitting there You got added a conviction like Even at a head it's just got ahead at conviction eight, man.
55:46
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is the guy that's gonna be the guy like you know what I'm saying But if it's more if it's like wishy was he like, um, oh man go with the picks go with the picks
55:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we have Wayne said, wait, wait, brisket?
56:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, we call that magic.
56:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Kobe brisket, like long as that's from my brisket.
56:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, long as that's for getting his ruin.
56:14
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, uh, yeah, yeah, brisket.
56:19
[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate y'all for joining us on this emergency, SPP episode.
56:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Every said, oh, no, how you can turn that down even if you do love Mendoza.
56:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying still.
56:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And like the thing is like Mendoza is even like lesser than a prospect.
56:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Like his grades going to be lesser than that of like camp war.
56:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't know.
56:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we'll be back tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're previewing the Panthers game on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate y'all for joining us talking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Saints, trading, Rishishaheed and Trevor Penning, we appreciate all the support and love y'all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We back tomorrow with that we are out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Peace!