Latest / The Death Of Journalism / Episode Eighty Four: Mugshot

Transcript

Episode Eighty Four: Mugshot · The Death Of Journalism

• 0:00
  Welcome to episode eighty four of the Death of Journalism podcast. My name is
• 0:04
  John Ziggler. I'm your host on today's show. Donald Trump takes the mugshot
• 0:08
  heard round the world. Where does the Republican race stand At the first trumpless
• 0:13
  debate? A top liberal starts to pull the rug out from under President Biden,
• 0:18
  and it's who I predicted might do that, And a racially motivated shooting
• 0:23
  exposes massive news media hypocrisy. I'm known as the Dutch Digital marketing Man.
• 0:29
  I'm a digital advertising SEO and email marketing specialist that also happens to be a
• 0:35
  big fan of John Ziggler and the Death of journalisten. Do you need help
• 0:39
  preaching your target audience? Let me help you develop the right messaging and confaded
• 0:44
  message and the best channels for your business. Please visit my website, the
• 0:48
  Dutch Digital marketing Man dot com and let me help you tell your story.
• 0:53
  The website is the Dutch Digital marketing Man dot com. If you want to
• 0:58
  grow your business, Peter can help. That's the Dutch Digital Marketingman dot com.
• 1:03
  And hey, thanks for sponsoring the show. We begin this episode of
• 1:07
  the podcast, of course, with the mug shot heard around the world.
• 1:11
  Of course, I'm referring to Donald Trump's mug shot after he was officially arrested
• 1:18
  last week in Fulton County, Georgia for charges related to trying to reverse the
• 1:23
  results of the twenty twenty presidential election. This came after an exhaustive, ridiculous
• 1:32
  day of media overhype for really a non story. I mean, we've gone
• 1:38
  through this several times before. CNN hilariously had a graphic through much of the
• 1:45
  day talking about Trump's historic fourth arrest. Inherently, if it's the fourth time
• 1:53
  something has happened in the last few months, it's really not that historic.
• 1:57
  The only thing different about this particular one, well, or a couple of
• 2:01
  things. One he had to use a bail bondsman, and two he ended
• 2:07
  up getting a mug shot. And the mug shot is all anyone really cared
• 2:10
  about. And you know, we live in a world where obviously pictures are
• 2:15
  everything. A picture can tell a thousand words. This picture probably told you
• 2:22
  know, ten million words. And the reality is, regardless of whether or
• 2:27
  not you like or hate Donald Trump, the mug shot could not have turned
• 2:30
  out better from his perspective, and with regard to his self interest, and
• 2:36
  that was very obvious. I would love to know the story behind I've not
• 2:40
  seen any good descriptions of it yet, but I would love to know the
• 2:45
  story behind how that mug shot got taken, because I mean, my presumption
• 2:51
  is you only get one chance at this, and you know, no matter
• 2:54
  how many times you would practice for it, which it's clear Trump must have
• 2:59
  practiced for it, this one was executed absolutely perfectly. I mean, you
• 3:04
  Trump himself, if he had commissioned an artist to do his mug shot and
• 3:10
  paid for it, I'm not sure he could have possibly gotten a better result
• 3:16
  than the mug shot that came about because of the natural progression of things and
• 3:22
  just taking a photographs presumably one time, with his head slightly down and tilted,
• 3:28
  looking very determined, looking right into the camera. Some people even saying
• 3:32
  he looks like a bald eagle. It was basically political porn for the left
• 3:38
  end the right. I mean, you want to talk about a roar shock
• 3:42
  test. That mug shot is the ultimate political rorshot test. That The reality
• 3:46
  here is that if you like Donald Trump, you love that mug shot.
• 3:52
  If you hate Donald Trump, you also got some sort of thrill from that
• 3:57
  mug shot because it was another step close to being able to say finally we
• 4:02
  got them. Now I'm not positive or even remotely sure that they're ever going
• 4:06
  to be able to say they really got Donald Trump, because I'm not sure
• 4:09
  he's ever gonna get convicted of anything, because of the nature of the jury
• 4:13
  pool and the nature of these trials and how long they're going to take,
• 4:15
  and whether or not he's president, whether he's still alive, all sorts of
• 4:19
  different things. I will be surprised if Donald Trump ever gets convicted of anything
• 4:25
  serious and any one of these four allegations against him that have resulted in four
• 4:30
  indictments in just over five months. But the political porn is really almost a
• 4:38
  light description of how people saw the mug shot on CNN and MSNBC during a
• 4:45
  twenty four hour period. It was reported that those two networks, the two
• 4:49
  liberal news networks, the openly liberal news networks, they showed the Trump mug
• 4:56
  shot one hundred and eighty eight times in a twenty four hour period. It
• 5:01
  was up on the screen for a total of eighty three minutes over an hour,
• 5:11
  just the Trump mug shot. So that was the liberal pornography that the
• 5:17
  mug shot represented because that's why they loved the mug shot, right, I
• 5:21
  mean, for their liberal fan base. This was their pornography, but it
• 5:27
  was pornography on the right as well. In fact, Jesse Waters a Fox
• 5:30
  News channel seems so sexually aroused when he referred to the mug shot that he
• 5:39
  had to boast of his impeccable heterosexual credentials before describing how awesome Trump's mug shot
• 5:47
  is. That's not an exaggeration, That's what Jesse Waters did. So,
• 5:54
  I mean, this thing was almost out of a movie, I mean a
• 6:00
  horror film, a nightmare, where this absolutely perfect mug shot for what Trump
• 6:04
  wants the message to be. Out of this it gets disseminated around the world
• 6:11
  instantaneously. It was so big the reaction of the mug shot that it even
• 6:16
  justified Trump's returned to Twitter. Trump, of course, had been banned from
• 6:21
  Twitter, and then when Elon Musk bought Twitter Now turned it into x he
• 6:28
  allowed Trump to come back. But Trump had never actually tweeted, which I
• 6:31
  have been saying for a long time. It is just not possible that Trump
• 6:35
  is going to be able to go through an entire presidential election cycle without ever
• 6:39
  tweeting. I was starting to question that prediction, thinking there must be some
• 6:44
  legal restriction that prevents him because of his ownership in truth social to post on
• 6:50
  Twitter. Well, this was so big. I don't know what the legal
• 6:55
  restrictions are or not with regard to Trump posting on x but he did just
• 7:00
  that, just I don't know. Brought an hour after the mug shot came
• 7:03
  out. That mug shot was so good and so big that it actually justified
• 7:10
  Trump returning to Twitter. In a move that Elon Musk, one of the
• 7:13
  biggest frauds around, quoted and referred to as next level, Trump tweeted his
• 7:19
  own mug shot, basically bragging about not just the mug shot, but about
• 7:26
  his fourth indictment slash arrest. As of this taping, that tweet from Donald
• 7:32
  Trump with his mug shot has now been seen. It's been viewed, which
• 7:38
  is not the same thing really is as someone searching it out and looking at
• 7:43
  it. But it has had over two hundred and fifty million impressions, which
• 7:48
  is basically like a billboard on the side of the road. Two hundred and
• 7:51
  fifty million people have driven past the billboard in a few days since that it
• 7:58
  was posted. Now, how many people actually looked at it, I don't
• 8:01
  know, but that's a hell of a lot of people. Regardless of whether
• 8:03
  it's impressions, whether it's views, how many likes, how many reposts,
• 8:09
  whatever, that is a huge number of people. And there's probably not a
• 8:13
  voter in the country that has not been exposed in some way, shape or
• 8:18
  form to trump smug shot. And to a lot of people, it doesn't
• 8:22
  matter how good Trump looks in the mug shot. It's a mug shot.
• 8:28
  And having a mug shot of a presidential candidate, traditionally in America would have
• 8:33
  been a death sentence to your campaign. But we're living in an upside down
• 8:37
  universe. But I would still suggest to a large number of people, whether
• 8:41
  it's a majority or not, I don't know, but to a large number
• 8:45
  of people, it represents that you committed a serious crime and therefore are disqualified
• 8:48
  from being president. And you know, and that's going to be their reaction.
• 8:54
  It doesn't matter how strong or defiant or angry or whatever how you want
• 8:58
  to describe Trump looking in that mug shot is. It doesn't matter. It's
• 9:03
  a mug shot. However, to his fan base, the essence of the
• 9:09
  mug shot is everything. It's everything they want to think of Trump as,
• 9:16
  even though he's an empty vessel, even though he's a fraud, even though
• 9:18
  he's a con man. This is the pornography on the right element of the
• 9:24
  mug shot, that this is the guy they think they fell in love with.
• 9:28
  This is why so much of the Republican Party is a cult, because
• 9:33
  he represents to these people, most of whom are not particularly well educated,
• 9:37
  many of whom are losers in their own life, they can feel better about
• 9:43
  themselves living vicariously through him, that he's sticking it to the man. This
• 9:48
  whole sticking it to the man concept is very enticing to a lot of people
• 9:54
  who feel as if they've gotten a raw deal from the establishment. And one
• 10:00
  of the more interesting elements of the reaction to the Trump arrest and especially the
• 10:05
  mugshot, has been, at least online, at least in certain very narrow
• 10:11
  circles, the reaction of some black people. Now I find this to be
• 10:16
  fascinating. Some Trump supporters, I think are way over playing this. I
• 10:22
  do want to say, by the way, that there were racial aspects to
• 10:26
  the coverage of Trump's arrest that were really kind of a mixing given the rules
• 10:33
  that the news media usually operates by. I can't tell you how many times
• 10:39
  the Fulton County Jail was basically described on CNN, especially as a shiitthole and
• 10:46
  extremely dangerous. Now, I have no doubt that that's accurate, that it's
• 10:50
  one of the worst jails in the country, blah blah blah, But this
• 10:54
  is a jail and a heavily black area of Atlanta, Georgia, and under
• 11:01
  almost any other circumstance, I could certainly envision such descriptions being considered racist by
• 11:09
  the rules that the news media have created, But because it fits their narrative
• 11:15
  and agenda here, they had no problem crapping all over the Fulton County Jail.
• 11:20
  So I found that to be an interesting racial component that seemed to be
• 11:24
  rather hypocritical when it came to the rules of engagement that the news media normally
• 11:30
  operates by. You're not allowed to criticize anything that is deemed to be a
• 11:33
  quote unquote black entity, and certainly the Fulton County Jail, if you look
• 11:39
  at the statistics, would be considered in that category, but much larger than
• 11:46
  that, in my opinion, when it came to the reaction of this among
• 11:50
  racial lines. As I've mentioned previously, I spent a lot of time these
• 11:54
  days on TikTok, which is probably another story for an entire another episode,
• 11:58
  because I find TikTok to be fascinating in a lot of ways. Some of
• 12:03
  it's incredibly stupid, some of it's very very interesting. I think it's oftentimes
• 12:09
  you can get a better sense of what's going on in the real world than
• 12:11
  you can't even via Twitter or x which I also spend a lot of time
• 12:16
  on. But there was no question that on TikTok and on Twitter, there
• 12:22
  were a lot of seemingly organic videos from black people who were making the argument,
• 12:31
  and these did not seem to be natural Trump supporters. They were making
• 12:35
  the argument that what the establishment or whatever you want to call it is doing
• 12:39
  to Trump is making him more appealing to black people, that this is actually
• 12:46
  giving him street cred in the black community, and that within the black community,
• 12:52
  obviously, there is a sense of when people are getting railroaded, and
• 12:56
  that they are very very sensitive, understandably to somebody who's getting a raw deal
• 13:01
  from the justice system, and that this is enabling a connection to be made
• 13:07
  between Donald Trump and the black community. And I'll be the first to acknowledge
• 13:13
  some of these videos are pretty powerful and convincing. Now, how big a
• 13:18
  phenomenon this is and how lasting a phenomenon this is, It's impossible to say,
• 13:24
  but I will acknowledge that there's something there. I don't think this is
• 13:28
  astroturfing. I don't think this is fake. I think that there is something
• 13:33
  to be said about this. There's so much to be said about this theoretically
• 13:39
  that I even did some calculations. I thought, okay, I mean,
• 13:43
  under the normal mathematics, Trump really can't win the general election twenty twenty four,
• 13:48
  because what voters is he convincing to flip to him from twenty twenty when
• 13:54
  he lost. Now, twenty twenty was closer than a lot of people think.
• 13:58
  You flip forty four thousand votes in three states and Trump actually wins,
• 14:03
  and the electoral college votes are actually going to be slightly more in his favor
• 14:07
  theoretically in twenty twenty four than they were in twenty twenty. But you still
• 14:11
  have to figure out a way to overcome the fact that's a whole lot more
• 14:16
  new Democratic voters who have turned eighteen and a whole lot more Republican voters who
• 14:20
  have died in the last four years. Well, one of the few ways
• 14:24
  you can do that, in the fastest way you can do that is if
• 14:28
  you somehow make inroads in the black community. Because you know, even though
• 14:33
  the exit polls indicated that Biden beat Trump eighty seven to twelve and the black
• 14:39
  vote in twenty twenty, I think that that's probably being generous to Trump.
• 14:43
  It was probably a lot closer to ninety ten, ninety eight something like that,
• 14:48
  where the Democrats are getting and Biden is getting a ninety point margin or
• 14:54
  I'm sorry, eighty point margin somewhere in that range, an eighty point margin
• 14:58
  over Trump among black voters. And that is huge in states that have significant
• 15:05
  populations of block voters, that have usually big cities like Atlanta, like Philadelphia,
• 15:13
  like Detroit, a little bit like Milwaukee. I mean, these are
• 15:16
  the states that have that have some black populations that could, theoretically, if
• 15:24
  those numbers were to change in a significant way, could alter the result of
• 15:31
  the state. And I've been saying this going to sound contradictory, but I
• 15:35
  think this also shows my open mindedness and my willingness to accept the idea I
• 15:39
  could be wrong, as well as when I get new information, I adjust
• 15:43
  my thinking. I've been saying that Georgia, Georgia, Georgia. If you
• 15:48
  can't win Georgia, then you can't win the presidency as a Republican. It's
• 15:54
  just basic logic, common sense, mathematics, and geography. And I've been
• 16:00
  making the argument that the Santist has a hell of a lot better chance of
• 16:03
  winning Georgia because he's not under indictment there, and he's real close with the
• 16:07
  governor Governor Kemp there, and philosophically they both went against Trump on COVID and
• 16:12
  obviously Florida borders Georgia. I mean, there's all sorts of rational arguments to
• 16:18
  make that the Santists would have a better chance in Georgia than Trump would unless
• 16:26
  somehow Trump is making real significant inroads with the black vote. And I did
• 16:33
  some very basic mathematical equations, and what I realized was that all Trump has
• 16:40
  to do in Georgia is to basically, if he just takes five percent of
• 16:47
  the twenty twenty black vote and he flips it, then he wins Georgia maybe
• 16:53
  going away. And that's even presuming losing some more white support, white moms
• 17:00
  in the suburbs, that kind of stuff, which was never really in love
• 17:04
  with him. They were never in love with him in twenty twenty to begin
• 17:07
  with. That's why we've lost the Republicans have lost the three straight Senate races
• 17:11
  there in the last couple of years, all by almost exactly the same margin.
• 17:15
  So but I'm even presuming Trump losing some non black support in Georgia because
• 17:22
  of the indictment and all sorts of other reasons, demographic shifts, people dying,
• 17:26
  people becoming new voters, what have you, But just a five percentage
• 17:33
  flip, because remember you're you're taking the most ardent Democratic base, So every
• 17:38
  voter that you're flipping, I mean, that really counts a lot. So
• 17:42
  if Trump were to somehow able to flip five percent, just five percent of
• 17:48
  Democratic Black voters in Georgia, he would win easily. He could probably if
• 17:56
  he just flipped three percent or four percent, he would probably win the state
• 18:02
  given what we know about the results of twenty twenty two, with herschel Walker
• 18:07
  losing to the incumbent Democratic senator in Georgia, A Warnock. And so this
• 18:14
  is this is interesting. I mean, this is I'm beginning to now think
• 18:18
  if there's something real here that if Dangster Trump somehow really is appealing the black
• 18:25
  people. By the way, I think there's kind of a racist implication there
• 18:27
  too. But I'm not the one that's coming up with us. I'm not
• 18:32
  the one of the people, you know, creating these these videos on TikTok
• 18:37
  with tens of thousands of views. And it's just not one or two of
• 18:40
  them, folks, I mean, there's dozens of them. I posted many
• 18:42
  of them to Twitter myself, and they do appear to be very much organic.
• 18:48
  And this could be temporary. This could be a temporary reaction to you
• 18:52
  know, to seeing the mug shot, to seeing Trump's plane come into Atlanta
• 18:56
  and the long chain of limos to get arrested, and you know, there's
• 19:03
  all sorts of things here that could be very temporary. This could be an
• 19:07
  emotional reaction. But I also think there could be something to this because Trump
• 19:14
  is enabling himself and circumstances are allowing him to be clearly the anti establishment guy
• 19:22
  in every possible way in an era where the establishment is incredibly unpopular and it's
• 19:27
  unpopular among virtually every demographic group. And you know, Biden's connection to the
• 19:33
  black community has always been strong. It's why he won the twenty twenty Democratic
• 19:38
  nomination because you know, the black vote flipped in his favor in South Carolina
• 19:42
  thanks to James Clymer, the congressman from South Carolina. But the reality is
• 19:48
  that's mostly because he was Barack Obama's vice presidential not just nominee, but as
• 19:53
  vice president for eight years. And you know, we're not talking about a
• 19:59
  ton of people. I mean, all you need again is four or five
• 20:03
  percent of the black vote to be contrarian enough and to be you know,
• 20:10
  enticed enough by the fact that Trump is going to blow up all the boxes
• 20:14
  and I can relate to this guy, and I you know, somehow,
• 20:18
  in a bizarre world way, there's a connection there between him and elements of
• 20:22
  the black community. I could see that happening. Now. Is that enough
• 20:27
  to win the presidential election. I don't think it is, because if you
• 20:32
  do the same math, for instance, in Philadelphia or in Detroit, in
• 20:37
  other words, in Pennsylvania and Michigan. I mean in theory, right,
• 20:41
  if the black vote really did we had this amazing phenomenon which would freak the
• 20:47
  hell out of not just the Democratic Party but the news media industrial complex.
• 20:51
  I mean, this would be a five alarm fire if this ever became real,
• 20:55
  and so they would do everything they possibly could to combat this if it
• 21:00
  ever really did happen. You know, that would be the path for Trump
• 21:04
  Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. And it would probably take more than a
• 21:10
  five percent flip of the black vote. It would probably take more like a
• 21:15
  ten percent, because there's about twice as many black voters roughly in Georgia than
• 21:21
  there are in Pennsylvania and in Michigan. These are all very very rough numbers.
• 21:26
  So don't don't try to say, oh, Zig, you're wrong about
• 21:30
  the percentages. I'm just talking about in very general terms here. It would
• 21:33
  probably take about a ten percent flip, which is an awful lot. I
• 21:37
  mean, to take ten percent of black voters and have them flip from Biden
• 21:42
  to Trump would really be asking a lot, and I don't think that's remotely
• 21:47
  plausible. But I could see five percent, and so in a weird way,
• 21:51
  I can. I can see the scenario here where where Trump actually might
• 21:57
  because he's under indictment in Georgia, might be in a better shape to win
• 22:02
  Georgia than even de Santis would be because Desantist can't possibly make inroads with the
• 22:08
  black vote the way that in theory some are trying to argue Trump is making.
• 22:12
  And I'm always very skeptical anecdotal phenomenon. I need data, and so
• 22:21
  this is more of a theory than it is something that I think is real.
• 22:25
  I think Trump voters are jumping all over this way too fast. This
• 22:29
  could be a flash in the pan, This could just be an emotional reaction
• 22:33
  to the mug shot. I would need real, real data before I took
• 22:37
  this idea very very seriously. But if you take this this concept and you're
• 22:45
  run with it, we would actually end up with the absolute most nightmarish scenario
• 22:51
  theoretically possible. In my opinion, the worst scenario in all of this would
• 22:56
  be Donald Trump somehow squeaks out the twenty twenty four election with the most bizarre
• 23:03
  inside straight, even more bizarre than what he did in twenty sixteen versus Hillary.
• 23:08
  He wins, writing at least in part an increase in the black vote,
• 23:15
  but Democrats take the Senate and the House because only Trump is benefiting from
• 23:22
  this. This isn't going to transfer to other Republican candidates, so you somehow
• 23:26
  end up with a highly controversial, very close election where Trump wins, but
• 23:33
  he has a Democratic House and the Democratic Senate probably turns into a full on
• 23:38
  Democrat. It's a complete shit show. It's all about retribution, and you
• 23:45
  know, who the hell knows what happens at that point. But that,
• 23:47
  in all honesty, that would probably be the worst possible scenario, which means
• 23:52
  there's a decent chance it's gonna happen, because that's the way things seem to
• 23:56
  work in America in twenty so. I mean, look, I realized,
• 24:03
  this is a lot of speculation, but there's gonna be, you know,
• 24:07
  at least something to this. I think. However, there's also let's not
• 24:11
  forget that there's gonna be negative impacts towards the indictments as well in the general
• 24:18
  election. I mean a little over fifty percent of American voters, based upon
• 24:22
  all the polls, already believe he's committed a crime of some sort. And
• 24:27
  that's before any of these trials ever get started, any of the real evidence
• 24:32
  becomes documented. Now that a lot of that's just politics, that's you know,
• 24:37
  fifty percent of the people hate him so much that they'll believe any accusation
• 24:41
  against him. But but winning a general election against an incumbent while being indicted
• 24:48
  four times is gonna be a herculean task, even if somehow he makes significant
• 24:55
  inroads with the black vote. And I do I also think that Trump orders
• 25:00
  when they see there's a new poll out this morning. There's Paull's all over
• 25:03
  the place these days, and some of these polls are not credible at all,
• 25:06
  but one of them has Trump beating Biden by several points nationally. But
• 25:11
  Trump's percentage of the vote is nowhere near as high as it would have to
• 25:15
  be. I think it was at this particular poll. I think he's at
• 25:18
  forty six percent. That seems to be his high water mark. Well,
• 25:22
  you gotta at least get to forty eight forty nine if you're gonna win a
• 25:27
  presidential election, even if you somehow, you know, pull off an amazing
• 25:33
  inside straight with the electoral college. And I just don't see who these undecided
• 25:37
  voters are They're going to break for Trump at this point. I mean,
• 25:41
  if you're not breaking for Trump now, barring a massive recession or even more
• 25:47
  dramatic, Biden health problems. I just don't see it. I also think,
• 25:51
  and we're getting into, you know, theories that sound pretty wild at
• 25:55
  this point. But while there's this theory out there that somehow the black vote
• 26:00
  is going to carry Donald Trump the victory, there are some other things that
• 26:03
  people already been considering what's going to happen in a general election. Let me
• 26:07
  just throw one out there, and this is I'm sure it's going to sound
• 26:10
  crazy the people, but it's something that I've already thought about. So Trump's
• 26:14
  the nominee and they're going against Biden, and the left is pulling out every
• 26:18
  stot possible to make sure that Trump is not president again. What do you
• 26:22
  think Taylor Swift's gonna do, folks? And you're probably thinking, Taylor Swift,
• 26:27
  what the hell does that have to do with anything? Taylor Swift has
• 26:33
  the largest and strongest cult in America. It dwarfs Donald Trump's cult. And
• 26:41
  these are cultists who are generally non political. They're all almost all of them
• 26:47
  single women who have just come of age to vote in the last few years.
• 26:52
  These are people that might stay home or not vote in a normal election.
• 26:56
  All she has to do is snap her fingers and every single one of
• 27:03
  these Swifties is going to do what she says. Now. I know that
• 27:06
  she tried to get involved in a Tennessee state election a few years ago and
• 27:11
  it didn't work, but that's because it was Tennessee, a red state.
• 27:15
  By the way, she wasn't nearly as powerful as she is today. And
• 27:18
  now we're talking about a presidential election. And the point of this is that
• 27:22
  with Trump being the nominee, it allows anybody of that ILK to pull out
• 27:30
  all the stops with no blowback at all. She will. You know,
• 27:33
  Taylor Swift would get zero blowback for endorsing a defeat of Donald Trump. Zero.
• 27:41
  If someone else was the nominee, I think it might be more difficult.
• 27:45
  But Trump is a different animal. He changes all the rules, sometimes
• 27:48
  for the good for him, often for the bad. So that's just one
• 27:52
  thing to think about as you move forward into this potential Trump Biden matchup in
• 27:57
  the general election. Back to the black vote for a second, and specifically
• 28:03
  with regard to Joe Biden. I have made the prediction. I don't know
• 28:08
  it was a couple of months ago. This was I think after Biden had
• 28:12
  fallen down at the Air Force Academy graduation ceremony, and I said, I
• 28:18
  was looking for some major liberal commentator to go out on a limb and say,
• 28:26
  Okay, it's time for Joe to go. And I made a prediction
• 28:33
  that the person to look for and look too for this to potentially happen would
• 28:38
  be Van Jones of CNN. No. Van Jones is a black male,
• 28:45
  very smart guy, good looking dude. I like his commentary. I disagree
• 28:48
  with him vehemently a lot most of the time, and sometimes he's very very
• 28:53
  wrong. But what I like about Van Jones is not only that he's he's
• 28:57
  smart, and he's a bit contrary. He's not afraid to go against the
• 29:03
  conventional narrative. I also sense that he doesn't live in a bubble, and
• 29:07
  living in a bubble is maybe the most important thing that I think corrodes and
• 29:15
  corrupts media commentary. I think it's one of my strengths is that I live
• 29:22
  in no bubble whatsoever. And my sense is that Van Jones doesn't live in
• 29:26
  a bubble, or at least he tries very hard to get outside of the
• 29:32
  CNN bubble in which he exists. And that's particularly the case when it comes
• 29:37
  to his connection to the black community. Well, at the time, Van
• 29:41
  Jones did not bite on its time for Joe to go. I don't know
• 29:47
  if he is officially bit on it's time for Joe to go. But this
• 29:52
  was sent to me by someone on Twitter who remembered my commentary on this podcast,
• 29:56
  So I figured I should play it in a eisode number eighty four because
• 30:00
  it is Van Jones at the very least putting his foot into the water of
• 30:07
  Joe must go, indicating on CNN that's what he is hearing is that a
• 30:14
  lot of people are getting very concerned about Joe Biden. And my guess is
• 30:21
  that the reaction to this indictment, especially at least online within elements of the
• 30:26
  black community, might be the thing that really does start the five alarm fire
• 30:32
  among people who have just been grumbling about Biden and who now might start to
• 30:37
  push the panic button. And here was Van Jones talking about this on CNN.
• 30:41
  People are concerned about Joe Biden. They really are. I mean Democrats
• 30:45
  are you know, they talk behind their hand. Nobody wants to go on
• 30:48
  TV and say it because we all like to be able to go to you
• 30:51
  know, barbecues and house parties, but people are concerned. And I do
• 30:56
  think that anybody but Trump going up against someone like Biden, given some of
• 31:03
  his chums recently, probably I might have a good shot and could make that
• 31:08
  aging issue. So I found that very interesting and something to keep an eye
• 31:11
  on, because that's how this thing would start. If it's going to start,
• 31:17
  you need someone to lead the way, and Jones isn't really leading the
• 31:19
  way there, but he is seeing whether or not the coast is clear.
• 31:23
  And I have been somebody who has been mocking those who have said that Biden
• 31:30
  will not be the Democratic presidential nominee. There's still tons of people, especially
• 31:33
  on the right, who think that Gavin newsom our King here in California is
• 31:38
  going to be the Democratic nominee. And I've just have never thought that that
• 31:41
  was even remotely plausible, mainly because you gotta go with Kamala Harris because she's
• 31:47
  next in line. You can't put a straight white male in for an historic
• 31:52
  black female or female of color, whatever you want to call her and get
• 31:56
  away with that in modern democratic politics. There's just there's just no way to
• 32:00
  do that. And unless Biden is willing to go, it's impossible to get
• 32:06
  rid of him. And at this point, you know, we're you know,
• 32:08
  there is a democratic process. I realize that that doesn't matter as much
• 32:12
  as it used to, but you know, you've got to get on the
• 32:15
  ballot in places, and at this point you're getting very close to deadlines and
• 32:20
  getting delegate slates. I mean, you just can't snap your fingers and decide
• 32:23
  you're going to run for president at this late a juncture and be able to
• 32:29
  defeat an incumbent president. No one's going to run against Biden and beat him
• 32:32
  because no one's going to have the balls to do it, and it's too
• 32:36
  late to get up to speed. Biden would have to withdraw, and at
• 32:39
  that point you have chaos because then you have Robert Kennedy Junior, who you
• 32:45
  know is already getting on the ballot and that type of stuff. He's way
• 32:49
  ahead of the game. I mean, I just don't see logistically how this
• 32:52
  is possible. But Jones voicing that concern, I do think was significant.
• 32:59
  And more than that, it's also endication for a prediction I previously made.
• 33:04
  So that's partially why I decided to play it on the show. Now back
• 33:07
  to Trump's arrest and when he's been up to since then. There were a
• 33:12
  couple other elements of the arrest in Georgia that got a lot of media attention.
• 33:17
  One was the use of a bail bondsman. Now, you know he
• 33:22
  had to pay a two hundred thousand dollars bond. You pay ten percent of
• 33:25
  that, which is twenty thousand dollars. But Trump used a bail bondsman.
• 33:31
  Now, this is not something that I'm very familiar with. Even though I
• 33:36
  have been arrested, I can't remember if I had there was bail or not.
• 33:42
  But that's a whole nother story for another day. But I know I
• 33:45
  didn't use a bail bondsman. And the idea of an alleged multi billionaire using
• 33:51
  a bail bondsman for twenty thousand dollars payment is rather remarkable. A lot of
• 33:57
  people were scratching their heads about that. Of course, the Trump fans were
• 34:00
  all theorizing that this was actually a brilliant pian by their hero, and that
• 34:06
  economically it made the most sense, or there was some alternative for d chess
• 34:09
  maneuver involving this, And I'm an Oxum's razor guy, and I'm thinking,
• 34:15
  well, crap. He doesn't have twenty thousand dollars in cash that he can
• 34:17
  just use for the bail. He's got to pay a bail bondsman to do
• 34:22
  this. I mean, there's that's certainly a red flag. And for someone
• 34:27
  who has always always been in the camp that Trump is not nearly as rich
• 34:30
  as he claims to be, especially when it comes to cash, I did
• 34:35
  find that to be interesting and potentially significant, getting even more attention than the
• 34:39
  bail bondsman. Thing. Which was bizarre was the fact that Trump listed his
• 34:45
  height and his weight, which was not apparently taken for him by the authorities
• 34:51
  in Fulton County, as being six foot three, two hundred and fifteen pounds.
• 34:57
  And I mean, that's I would like to believe, even as much
• 35:00
  as I lowed Donald Trump, I would like to believe that this was him
• 35:06
  trolling his critics. I would like to believe that. Now with Trump,
• 35:09
  you never know did he do this because he really thinks he's six foot three,
• 35:15
  two hundred and fifteen pounds, or did he do this because he's trolling
• 35:19
  his fans. This is partially the genius of Trump, where you get to
• 35:22
  determine whatever you want his mindset to be. His motivation to be based upon
• 35:27
  you know, your view of him. So if you're a Trump fan,
• 35:30
  you get two choices. He always loves to give his cult choices. Either
• 35:35
  he really is six foot three, two hundred and fifteen pounds if you're a
• 35:37
  cult member, or isn't that just a fantastic troll. He's really giving it
• 35:44
  to his critics by listing himself as six foot three, two hundred and fifteen
• 35:49
  pounds. Well, he's clearly not six foot three, and he's not two
• 35:52
  hundred and fifteen pounds. That's very obvious. He's far heavier than that.
• 35:57
  And I don't think he's nearly as tall as six foot three. I mean,
• 36:00
  six foot three, two hundred and fifteen pounds is basically what you see
• 36:04
  a lot of very fit professional athletes being six foot three, two hundred and
• 36:08
  fifteen pounds. So that's a lie. Is it a significant lie? No,
• 36:15
  However, the guy is running for president. These things used to matter.
• 36:20
  I can assure you. I can assure you that if ron De Santis
• 36:24
  ever put his height self identifying as six foot three, which is clearly not,
• 36:32
  the Trump fans would go bananas, and the media would enable that by
• 36:37
  mocking Ron de Santis for doing that. But this is a classic example of
• 36:42
  the completely different standard that Trump has held to as opposed which is no standard
• 36:46
  as opposed to Ron de Santis, where he's not allowed to get away with
• 36:50
  anything. He's held to the pre twenty fifteen pre Trump World standard for presidential
• 36:57
  candidates in vetting, while Trump gets his own set of rule, which basically
• 37:00
  means there are no rules. So that's the significance of that. And similar
• 37:05
  to Trump lying about his height and weight, he also announced this past weekend
• 37:10
  that he won the senior club golf championship at his Bedminster club. Now,
• 37:19
  of course I got sent this by a lot of people because I had just
• 37:22
  won my club's senior club championship the week before, and there are all sorts
• 37:28
  of problems with Trump's story on this. Now, there are so many problems
• 37:31
  with Trump's story that he won the senior club championship at Bedminster. The first
• 37:37
  is that he announced this on a Saturday. And I've never heard of a
• 37:43
  club championship ending on a Saturday, because a club championship to be legitimate has
• 37:46
  to be at least two rounds, and you would if you're playing on a
• 37:50
  Saturday. You would certainly play on a Sunday. That would normally be the
• 37:53
  way you would do it, because you know, some people are actually working
• 37:58
  during the week, So normally you'd have a two round tournament on a Saturday
• 38:01
  and a Sunday. He only referenced one round, And that's odd because I've
• 38:08
  never heard of a real club championship, having been a member of many different
• 38:12
  clubs and having won a lot of club championships, although not nearly as many
• 38:15
  as Trump claims to have one, which he has a ridiculous number of over
• 38:19
  twenty, which is not legitimate even a little bit. But I've never heard
• 38:23
  of one just being eighteen holes, and so I have questions about that.
• 38:29
  But he also claimed that the round that he did shoot, the only round
• 38:31
  that he referred to, he shot a sixty seven. Now it was a
• 38:36
  little ambiguous. Is that gross or is that handicap net? But Trump has
• 38:40
  a vanity handicap, which means he is a very low handing. Why he
• 38:44
  by the way, he's a good golfer, especially for his age, I'm
• 38:46
  not questioning that he just as a cheater and not nearly as good as he
• 38:51
  thinks that he is. And so it's unclear as he shot a sixty seven
• 38:55
  gross, which would be impossible. There's no way shot of sixties seven gross
• 39:00
  at his age at the Bedminster Club that he owns in New Jersey. There's
• 39:07
  just no possible way that that happened under normal rules and conditions of a tournament.
• 39:13
  It's just not possible. And of course, the strangest part of this
• 39:17
  whole thing, or maybe the most revealing part, is that he acknowledged that
• 39:22
  people were probably going to question whether or not he was lying, which is
• 39:25
  always pretty good tell that you might be lying. He went out of his
• 39:30
  way to say there was no hanky panky, although he referred to it as
• 39:35
  differently as hanky panky. It was weird phrasing that he used. And then
• 39:39
  when people started to actually question whether or not this was real, he gave
• 39:45
  the name and phone number of the head pro at Pedminster Club for people to
• 39:51
  verify that he had actually won the Senior Club championship, to which I responded,
• 39:55
  well, okay, wait a minute. First of all, there's no
• 39:59
  way that the headpro was with him for all eighteen holes. But number two,
• 40:04
  this is a guy who's Donald Trump's employee, so hey call the guy
• 40:08
  who owns his entire existence to me to verify that I didn't cheat to win
• 40:14
  the club championship. Now I don't know what the story is. I'm guessing
• 40:20
  we're eventually gonna know, because somebody's gonna do some reporting on this. We've
• 40:23
  seen this in the past where Trump has claimed to have won a club championship
• 40:27
  and then when you find out the details, they're not anything close to reality.
• 40:31
  For instance, I think it was last year he claimed to win a
• 40:35
  club championship. Was either last year or the year before where it turned out
• 40:39
  that it was supposed to be a two day event. He couldn't make the
• 40:45
  first day, so he played on his own, and I think he can't.
• 40:52
  I could be wrong about the details, but I think he canceled the
• 40:54
  first round and then just have everybody play for one round the second round that
• 41:00
  he could make, which he played by himself, and he ended up with
• 41:05
  the best score. I mean. The other part of this equation is everybody
• 41:08
  knows Trump's a cheater, So if you're you know someone who might play in
• 41:13
  the Senior Club Championship at Bedminster, you might just decide to take a pass
• 41:15
  because you know it's not going to be a legitimate tournament to begin with,
• 41:19
  So he might have all eve been playing against a couple of people. That's
• 41:22
  another part of this equation that I would I would like to know the details.
• 41:28
  But so Trump is claiming to have won a club championship, which,
• 41:30
  by the way, if true. If Trump somehow, you know, got
• 41:35
  back from Georgia after being indicted for the fourth time in five months on a
• 41:40
  Thursday night, and then you know, I don't know when they would have
• 41:44
  played this thing again, assuming it was a two day tournament, would that
• 41:46
  be Friday against Saturday? That would be pretty impressive. If he won any
• 41:50
  kind of tournament shot at sixty seven, I would be very, very impressed.
• 41:54
  But do I believe that. No. However, polls indicate that Trump
• 42:00
  fans and Trump voters trust his words so much that they'll believe almost anything he
• 42:05
  says. There was a poll recently then indicated that Trump fans, Trump voters
• 42:13
  will trust his word what he says to be true more than they will trust
• 42:19
  their friends, their family, or even their own clergy. I mean,
• 42:25
  if that's if, don't you know, if you're still on the fence as
• 42:29
  to whether or not this is a cult that poll result should end it for
• 42:31
  you that Donald Trump a guy who lies with impunity. He lies so much
• 42:38
  that it's almost impossible to convince anybody that he's lying, because he's completely gas
• 42:45
  lit the standards of truth. So to the point now where you will his
• 42:50
  fans will believe anything he says, no matter how preposterous, and no matter
• 42:54
  how ridiculous. And it's awfully hard to be a cult. So when Trump
• 43:01
  owns, you know, forty at least forty percent of the Republican base,
• 43:07
  because it's a cult, who trust him to tell them the truth more than
• 43:10
  they trust their own friends, family, and clergy, no matter how ridiculous
• 43:15
  it is what he's saying. I don't know how you beat that, especially
• 43:19
  given the other circumstances of this race now, as far as the Republican race,
• 43:23
  or when a lack of a better term, the Republican race for the
• 43:28
  twenty twenty four nomination. There's been a lot of reaction to the debate.
• 43:31
  By the way, if you missed it, we did provide analysis of the
• 43:35
  debate itself in episode eighty three. We adjusted our podcast recording schedule so that
• 43:42
  we were able to do that, and since that time, There's been a
• 43:46
  lot of reaction to the debate, and obviously a lot of focus was going
• 43:51
  to be on so how many people watched the first Republican debate. I predicted
• 43:55
  in the episode eighty three that there would be a lot of lies coming from
• 44:01
  the Trump team and from Trump himself about the ratings for the debate and comparing
• 44:07
  those ratings to how many people saw the Tucker Carlson propaganda quote unquote interview that
• 44:14
  Trump did with the former Fox News Channel star. By the way, with
• 44:19
  regard to the Tucker Carlson quote unquote interview propaganda piece, there was not one
• 44:23
  bit of news that came out of that, not one bit of news.
• 44:27
  The only thing that was newsworthy, which we detailed in episode eighty three,
• 44:30
  was Trump contradicting Carlson on whether or not Jeffrey Epstein was murdered in prison.
• 44:37
  Trump clearly making it obvious that he does not believe that Epstein was murdered in
• 44:44
  prison. He eventually gave Carlson an out because he realized that that's what Carlson,
• 44:49
  presumably much of his base, want to believe in this fairytale that Epstein
• 44:53
  was murdered. But there's somehow is no suspect, even though we would have
• 44:58
  the easiest crime to saw in the history of humanity, because we know exactly
• 45:01
  who was in a federal prison and any given time, and it's very very
• 45:05
  few people, and we'd be able to monitor to them and determine whether or
• 45:08
  not they got paid off or they started acting weird, or we could question
• 45:12
  them. I mean, those you know this. And obviously Trump's Attorney General,
• 45:15
  Bill Barr was in charge of the federal prison system, and obviously Trump
• 45:20
  was in charge of Bill Barrs. So Trump would be involved in this crazy
• 45:23
  conspiracy cover up that should have been newsworthy. I mean, that should have
• 45:28
  caused problems for Trump among his base, if the base was based in any
• 45:32
  kind of rationality and wasn't a cult. I mean, here Trump is contradicting
• 45:37
  one of their heroes, Tucker Carlson, on one of their articles of faith
• 45:40
  of their religion, which is that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered in prison, and
• 45:46
  Trump wasn't buying it. But that didn't even create any real news on the
• 45:51
  right, and I'm sure most of the right. In fact, the coverage
• 45:52
  I did see of this on the right wing media, like the Blaze,
• 45:55
  which has become very conspiratorial as well, with Glenn Beck being the main personality
• 46:02
  there. Glenn has become more and more conspiratorial munch like Tucker Carlson over the
• 46:07
  years. The way they spun it was that Trump said it, well,
• 46:10
  it's possible that Epstein was murdered, but that was after him saying he believes
• 46:17
  that he committed suicide, and it was basically just handing Tucker Carlson of fig
• 46:22
  leave. If you look at the full context of what Trump said, it
• 46:24
  was humiliating to Tucker Carlson and for the Epstein was murdered brigade, of which
• 46:31
  I think the Blaze is probably part of that group. But so even the
• 46:36
  little bit of news media coverage that the Carlson interview created was spun very much
• 46:42
  in Trump's direction. But as far as the ratings are concerned, the debate
• 46:46
  got over twelve million viewers, which was more than I expected, way more
• 46:52
  than a lot of critics anticipated. Bryan Stelter, the former CNN media critic,
• 47:00
  he predicted five million people would watch the debate without Trump on Fox News
• 47:04
  Channel. This was about half of what watched the first Republican debate in twenty
• 47:09
  sixteen, which was obviously heavily watched because it was the first Trump debate,
• 47:15
  and it was obvious that this debate was never going to do that kind of
• 47:20
  number. But almost thirteen million people in this era for cable news without Donald
• 47:25
  Trump, that's a pretty big number. And it's impossible to know how many
• 47:30
  people actually watched the Tucker Carlson interview. It got tens and tens and maybe
• 47:35
  I think over two hundred million impressions the tweet that Tucker Carlson sent out,
• 47:42
  but you cannot tell anything from that when it comes to a long form video
• 47:45
  interview. My guess is that more people actually watched the full debate than watched
• 47:53
  the full Tucker Carlson Donald Trump interview. And I can't proved that, but
• 48:00
  that's my sense based upon the numbers and the reaction to the debate itself,
• 48:07
  is that the general consensus seemed to be, at least certainly if you were
• 48:12
  a Desantist fan, was that the Santists quote unquote won the debate, not
• 48:17
  by a lot. There were poles that indicated that more people were considering him
• 48:22
  post debate than anyone else, and that his percentage of people considering him increased
• 48:30
  more than anyone else. I'm not sure that's exactly how you determine who quote
• 48:34
  unquote one the debate. My take in the aftermath of this, which we
• 48:39
  articulated in an episode eighty three, was that the Santists did fine, that
• 48:45
  he established himself in the second place position. He may have made a little
• 48:50
  bit of inroads, but not anything significant, but that My major concern was
• 48:55
  that just as I had predicted that several other candidates, we're going to get
• 49:00
  traction because of the exposure and the credibility that the debate was providing them,
• 49:07
  and that in the longer run, even if the Santists did well, this
• 49:10
  was still bad for him, because, let's be clear, the current structure
• 49:15
  of the race has him doomed to failure. He needs to blow up the
• 49:22
  cast, if you will, the structure the mold of this entire race.
• 49:29
  And I don't know how you do that at this point it might be too
• 49:31
  late. But nothing in the debate blew up the structure. In fact,
• 49:36
  it further I believe established that structure. In fact, it may have even
• 49:40
  if anything, it may have even created more problems structurally for Rhynda Santis because
• 49:50
  Nicki Haley in some polls, which surprised me. I did not see this.
• 49:54
  I don't fully understand it unless there's a there's a female vote that is
• 50:00
  feeling neglected within the Republican Party that thinks that she's inoffensive and seems attractive in
• 50:06
  some ways, and she's the only woman running and she did, you know,
• 50:09
  a nice job, nothing fantastic, nothing memorable in the debate, but
• 50:13
  there are some indications that she is gaining traction. The fake Obama. Swamy
• 50:19
  obviously played the role of Donald Trump got the most attention. He, by
• 50:23
  the way, also got the most media interviews in major media in the days
• 50:28
  following the debate, because he's the most controversial character. He's the newest guy,
• 50:34
  the shiny object, so they're going, you know, going to interview
• 50:37
  him. I will say, by the way, the news media, and
• 50:40
  I've said this before, but it absolutely bears repeating. It's just so frustrating
• 50:45
  how they pretend that Donald Trump is a completely new creature, that this is
• 50:53
  unprecedented, uncharted territory, which I agree with in many ways, but they
• 50:59
  don't chang change the nature of their political coverage. Because we're dealing in this
• 51:04
  unprecedented situation where this mortal threat to democracy is leading the Republican nominating process.
• 51:10
  They still vet everybody else in exactly the same way they would have if this
• 51:15
  was twenty twelve, before Donald Trump was a major political force. And I
• 51:21
  just think this is delusional. And one of the examples of this is that
• 51:25
  they interview the fake Obama Swamy like he's really running for president and really has
• 51:30
  a chance to win the nomination, when he's really just there as a Trump
• 51:35
  surrogate and a Trump blocker, which is exactly what he did at the debate.
• 51:39
  But no one interviews him in that light. No, no one does
• 51:45
  that, and it's very, very frustrating. They try to vet him like
• 51:49
  he's a normal Republican presidential candidate, which he's not. And of course,
• 51:53
  you know, all of this ends up helping Donald Trump because Hailey now has
• 51:59
  more track, Obama Swamy has more traction now. De Santists really didn't gain
• 52:05
  very much. I know I had said in episode eighty three that I was
• 52:08
  hoping he was going to get away with this horrendous episode where of the hand
• 52:14
  raising situation where they and I hate these exercises, these kindergarten exercises the Fox
• 52:21
  News moderators used on numerous occasions to try to trap quote unquote their own candidates
• 52:30
  into impossible positions that are going to harm them, either in the primary and
• 52:34
  or the general election. Well, in this particular case, they asked this
• 52:37
  stupid question about whether or not you would support Donald Trump if he was convicted
• 52:40
  of a crime. That is an absurd question to be asking for a hand
• 52:45
  raise on, because that is a very nuanced question with very nuanced responses,
• 52:52
  And they did the stupid hand raise thing, and for some reason, de
• 52:57
  santists choked. I mean, it is awful. In a moment I saw
• 53:00
  it, I was like, oh my god, this is gonna be terrible
• 53:04
  because DeSantis is gonna get it from both sides because he looked around and then
• 53:08
  he halfheartedly put up his hand. And so he gets no credit at all
• 53:14
  from the Trump people from for supporting Trump, which I'm not sure he should
• 53:19
  have done to begin with. And he's gonna get ripped for the indecision,
• 53:22
  and he's gonna get ripped by the anti Trump people for saying that he would
• 53:27
  support a convicted criminal to be president of the United States when he should have
• 53:32
  just did what he did with the global warming climate change hand raised question and
• 53:37
  cut it off at the pass and said, no, we're not doing any
• 53:39
  hand raising. This is too important an issue and it's too nuanced. And
• 53:45
  here's my answer. And I thought when I taped episode eighty three that maybe
• 53:51
  DeSantis was going to get away with that. It's clear he's not going to
• 53:54
  get away with that. It's not as bad as it could have been.
• 53:58
  As far as the main industream media reaction to it. There's a lot of
• 54:01
  online reaction to it, which I'm not sure really impacts votes very much,
• 54:07
  because most people online are partisan and have already determined who they're going to support.
• 54:13
  But it certainly gave the Trump people a lot of fodder to attack the
• 54:16
  santiss I'll tell you what else it'll do. Though, if the Santis were
• 54:20
  to somehow win the nomination, there's no question that would come back to haunt
• 54:24
  him in a general election. How much, I don't know, but you
• 54:29
  know, to it an independent voter, especially, it just looked awful.
• 54:34
  And then you know, the Trump people were trying to use the awkward smile
• 54:37
  that the Santis gave after the end of his closing statement to make him look
• 54:42
  like he's you know, non human or can't relate to people, or he's
• 54:45
  some sort of robot, which is again just a classic example of the different
• 54:49
  standard that the Santis has held to as opposed to Trump. But this became
• 54:52
  a big thing online, and so I don't think there's any indication that this
• 54:58
  was a game changing performance for De Santis when it came to how the race
• 55:04
  looks moving forward. I think I still believe that it entrenched him in second
• 55:12
  place. I mean, the worst case scenario was this would have been a
• 55:15
  disaster and Obama Swammy would have overtaken him for second place. I don't think
• 55:20
  that's going to happen in the aftermath of this debate. There are polls that
• 55:23
  are still all over the map. There's one poll out this morning indicating that
• 55:28
  Obama Swammy has overtaken the Sandis for second place nationally. I don't believe that
• 55:32
  poll. What I think we're going to see here, though, isn't moving
• 55:37
  forward, You're gonna have Nicky Haley with some traction, Obama Swammy with a
• 55:42
  lot of celebrity and traction, Christie still holding on to the never Trump lane,
• 55:47
  and Pen's holding on to what's left of the religious right lane, and
• 55:52
  that means no one gets out, and that's inherently good for Trump. That's
• 55:55
  what I mean by the structure. That's what I mean by the structure of
• 56:00
  the race, where it's inherently in Trump's favor. Now he's still attacking de
• 56:07
  Santis bizarrely. I mean, he's all over the map. I mean he's
• 56:12
  attacking the Santis. You know, just after the debate, he he wrote
• 56:15
  on two social truth social fox News lies. They're still pushing the sanctimonious saying
• 56:22
  he can beat Biden. Actually he is losing to Crooked Joe and all the
• 56:25
  polls and I am winning it all. That's not true. Fox News just
• 56:30
  doesn't learn. This has been going on since twenty sixteen, saying I won't
• 56:35
  beat beautiful Hillary, and then I did. Look, Ron is a loser.
• 56:39
  He only won because of my endorsement. He's a horrible campaigner, and
• 56:44
  his Florida numbers are being exposed. He loved Fauci. He loved Fauci,
• 56:52
  closed the state and at the third most COVID deaths in the US. He
• 56:58
  can't win. Exclamation. I'm not going to go through all that because I
• 57:02
  could spend an hour which I don't have, deconstructing that insanity. But I
• 57:08
  just want to address the one thing that he keeps repeating that Florida had the
• 57:12
  third most COVID deaths in the US. Florida has the third largest population,
• 57:17
  and when you control for age, they actually have the second largest population when
• 57:23
  it came to COVID vulnerability. So there's nothing at all unusual if you understand
• 57:30
  basic Matt, that Florida would be third and COVID debts. But the idea
• 57:34
  that somehow the santist loves Fauci and closed the state. This is a guy
• 57:40
  who opened the state. When Trump was telling people not to open, he
• 57:44
  was condemning Georgia for opening. I mean, the gas lighting on this is
• 57:47
  beyond comprehension. But it didn't stop there just as of this morning taping.
• 57:53
  On Monday morning, Trump posted on truth Social Now I do not understand what
• 57:59
  he's even trying to say here. I don't know if this is a joke.
• 58:01
  This is Trump gets the advantage of low expectations and presuming that he must
• 58:08
  have something else that he's thinking of. But here he appears to completely misspell
• 58:13
  the word rumor. He spells, rumor r O O m e er.
• 58:17
  Rumor are strong. Rumor are strong, which is not just bad spelling,
• 58:23
  but it's bad grammar. Rumor are strong in political circles that Rond sanctimonious,
• 58:30
  whose presidential run is in is a shambles and whose poll numbers have absolutely crashed,
• 58:36
  putting him third and fourth in some states, will be dropping out of
• 58:39
  the presidential race in order to run in Florida against Rick Scott for senate.
• 58:45
  Now that's an interesting one, isn't it. There's absolutely no way that's true.
• 58:52
  By the way, I might advise Rond de Santis to at the right
• 58:57
  moment, in the right way with raw from the presidential race, but the
• 59:00
  idea of him running for Senate is completely insane because he's governor of Florida,
• 59:08
  and it's one thing to leave that position to run for president. It's a
• 59:13
  completely different animal to go against that pledge to run for senate in the same
• 59:19
  state. I just don't see that that's remotely plausible, and considering the source,
• 59:23
  I'm assuming it's false. But here's the most important thing. Until and
• 59:30
  unless Trump stops attacking Rhonda Santis, this is still at least theoretically a race.
• 59:37
  That's the strongest indication we have that this is still a race, because
• 59:42
  why is Trump attacking the Santis if he's really dead now? It could be
• 59:49
  because he just has you know, he wants retribution, he wants vindication.
• 59:53
  It's a mob boss destroying the guy who went after him, kind of like
• 59:57
  Putin did with his enemy, knocking his plane out of the sky. You
• 1:00:02
  know, it could be like that. It could be the equivalent of knocking
• 1:00:07
  De Santis is playing out of the sky. But there's I do think there's
• 1:00:10
  some credibility to the argument that Trump is attacking De Santis for some reason politically,
• 1:00:17
  and if and if he's still attacking him, de Santis isn't completely dead.
• 1:00:22
  However, I do believe that there are massive structural problems with the race,
• 1:00:28
  and I may go into this in further detail in the next episode of
• 1:00:32
  the podcast, which will come out on Thursday morning. One last thing on
• 1:00:37
  the debate reaction Oliver Anthony, the out of nowhere superstar. I guess you
• 1:00:42
  call him folks singer who's been embraced by the right because of his hit song
• 1:00:46
  including rich Men from North of Richmond. He is done exactly what I thought
• 1:00:55
  he might do. He's now made it clear that he's not a Republican or
• 1:01:00
  a Democrat. He is ripped Fox newsgown for using his song to begin the
• 1:01:04
  debate, which I also ripped them for because I thought it was bizarre and
• 1:01:07
  also included the profanity, which was very, very strange. But I also
• 1:01:12
  don't think Oliver Anthony is remotely a conservative, even under the Trump definition.
• 1:01:16
  It was obvious to me that he's a liberal. Well, he just hates
• 1:01:20
  the establishment, which is understandable, but economically he's very liberal. And he
• 1:01:25
  made that very very clear, saying that he disagreed with his song being used
• 1:01:30
  and that he actually wrote the song about a lot of those people. He
• 1:01:32
  said, although he did criticize Joe Biden, I think he's trying to have
• 1:01:37
  it both ways. My guess his city might be destroying his entire base of
• 1:01:42
  support. I don't know that yet. It's a little too early to tell.
• 1:01:45
  Some people are saying his fifteen minutes of fame maybe up because this is
• 1:01:49
  not a needle you can thread anymore. You know, there used to be
• 1:01:52
  a way for you to thread this needle. I'm not left, I'm not
• 1:01:54
  right. I don't know that's going to work in this particular environment, but
• 1:02:00
  I did think it was important to point that out, especially since I spent
• 1:02:04
  part of episode eighty three indicating that aunt Olive Anthony is no conservative and it's
• 1:02:08
  rather bizarre that Republicans have rallied around him. Now, one of the things
• 1:02:14
  I've talked about throughout this campaign is that the Santis is at so many disadvantages,
• 1:02:20
  one of which is that he's an incumbent, and therefore anything that happens
• 1:02:24
  in Florida is somehow his fault. And obviously Florida is a huge, diverse
• 1:02:29
  state where a lot of strange things happen. And that occurred over the weekend
• 1:02:34
  when there was a racially motivated shooting in Jacksonville, which happens to be where
• 1:02:38
  de Santis is I guess you'd call it from. And of course somehow this
• 1:02:45
  is DeSantis's fault, I guess. I mean, CNN did a segment about
• 1:02:50
  the racial hate climate in Jacksonville that you know that theoretically was motivating or cultivating
• 1:02:59
  the fact that that this asshole would kill three black people, and we know
• 1:03:02
  that it was because of their race, because get this, he wrote a
• 1:03:07
  manifesto, which magically, somehow, you know, the authorities released immediately and
• 1:03:13
  the media jumped all over. Well, gee, when was the last time
• 1:03:16
  we heard about a mass shoot or having a manifesto that all of a sudden
• 1:03:22
  disappeared. Obviously, I'm referring to the Nashville shooting, where more people were
• 1:03:28
  killed by someone who was transitioning as a transgender person. They had a manifesto.
• 1:03:35
  It certainly seemed to the authorities that transgenderism was at least part of the
• 1:03:39
  motivation. Here was at a Christian school where these people were massacred, And
• 1:03:45
  to this day, somehow that manifesto has never been made public and there's been
• 1:03:51
  zero mainstream media pressure to release that manifesto. So, my gosh, it
• 1:03:58
  could not be more stark. The difference between the way that the Jacksonville shooting
• 1:04:01
  is being treated by the news media and the Nashville shooting is being treated by
• 1:04:06
  the news media. The Jacksonville shooting is it's a it's a sign of a
• 1:04:11
  larger problem. Clearly, Florida's part of the problem. By implication, De
• 1:04:16
  Santis is part of the problem. It's the racial hatred climate there in that
• 1:04:21
  wacky state of Florida. And oh, by the way, we have no
• 1:04:25
  doubt about the motivations, because we had the manifesto and that's proof of the
• 1:04:29
  motivation, which, by the way, I totally believe that that probably was
• 1:04:32
  the motivation of the shooter. But I also believe that we had a situation
• 1:04:38
  and that the media had been remotely fair, we would have seen a similar
• 1:04:41
  set of circumstances with regard to the nuttiness of the transgender community. And the
• 1:04:46
  danger is involved with that. If the manifesto of the Nashville shooter had come
• 1:04:50
  out, and there's a reason why it hasn't, and the most logical reason
• 1:04:56
  is because it would do exactly the same thing as are similar to the Jacksonville
• 1:05:01
  shooting. It would make it unambiguous that transgenderism played a role in many innocent
• 1:05:09
  people, including children, being massacred. And I mean, you just couldn't
• 1:05:14
  imagine a more stark comparison and more obvious hypocrisy when you look at what's going
• 1:05:20
  on in Jacksonville and compare it to the media coverage of Nashville. But Desanders
• 1:05:26
  gets attacked on that because he's the incumbent. He also has an incumbency problem
• 1:05:30
  because He's got a hurricane coming into Florida and it doesn't look like it's going
• 1:05:36
  to be historically bad. Of course, everything is historically bad now that the
• 1:05:40
  left and the media is weaponizing weather all of a sudden, somehow, this
• 1:05:44
  is the worst summer of all time, and every hurricane is climate change,
• 1:05:47
  every wildfire's climate change. I mean, ninety one degrees now is a health
• 1:05:54
  emergency. I mean, when the hell did that start happening. I'm seeing
• 1:05:57
  it here even in southern California. It's obvious that they are weaponizing the weather.
• 1:06:03
  They're weaponizing normal things that happen within the weather, like get this hurricanes
• 1:06:11
  in Florida in late August. But I guarantee you that no matter what happens
• 1:06:16
  with regard to this hurricane in Florida, they're gonna be some elements of the
• 1:06:20
  news media that will try very hard to make Desantists look bad. And this
• 1:06:25
  is I've always thought it would be a very, very very difficult mountain to
• 1:06:29
  climb for De Santis to become president, if only because if he's ever the
• 1:06:33
  nominee, you're going to have an election in November. The chances of getting
• 1:06:39
  Florida through another hurricane season, and that's August, September, October. Territory
• 1:06:45
  with no problems is going to be almost impossible, and the media is going
• 1:06:49
  to turn whatever happens, any opportunity that they get, they're going to turn
• 1:06:54
  it into Katrina two point zero. I mean, that's what's going to happen
• 1:06:59
  now. I don't know what whether this hurricane is going to be large enough
• 1:07:00
  to give them that opportunity. I have confidence the Santis will handle it very
• 1:07:05
  well, as he has in the past, but I also have no confidence
• 1:07:10
  in the news media is going to be remotely fair when it comes to how
• 1:07:14
  De Santis does in handling this hurricane in Florida, especially when you compare it
• 1:07:19
  to the coverage of, for instance, the Maui wildfires, which has just
• 1:07:24
  been an abomination. I really dropped the ball in episode eighty three of the
• 1:07:30
  podcast because I forgot to mention what should have been one of the biggest news
• 1:07:34
  stories of last week, even with Trump getting arrested for the fourth time,
• 1:07:39
  which was that Joe Biden went to Mauie finally, after taking a couple of
• 1:07:43
  vacations and having made no significant comment about this for a very long time,
• 1:07:48
  he goes to Maui and what does he do. He talks about himself having
• 1:07:54
  survived a kitchen fire that almost cost him his vintage Corvette. And he didn't
• 1:08:00
  do so in a way that was remotely intended to be humorous. He did
• 1:08:04
  so as a way to somehow compare his own experience with the people who at
• 1:08:10
  their homes and at times their children burned into oblivion. I mean, their
• 1:08:18
  entire lives are destroyed. We don't even know how many people died. It
• 1:08:23
  could be in the hindreds, maybe even to a thousand for all we know.
• 1:08:28
  I find that hard to believe, but some people are still projecting that
• 1:08:30
  as the reality. And here Joe Biden is comparing this to the time he
• 1:08:35
  almost lost his vintage Corvette in a kitchen fire. Can you imagine if George
• 1:08:42
  W. Bush had done that post Katrina, Oh my god, I mean,
• 1:08:47
  every single American would would know the words by heart. And this got
• 1:08:55
  almost completely lost, largely because of the Trump arrest, which is enough another
• 1:09:00
  cost of Trump's problems. I mean, last week should have been Oh my
• 1:09:05
  god. Joe Biden is completely out of it. Can you believe what he
• 1:09:09
  told the survivors of the Maui wildfires that should have been the entire narrative of
• 1:09:13
  the week. Instead we're talking about goddamn Donald Trump's flug shot and fourth the
• 1:09:18
  rest way to go Trumpers. This is all working out very very well.
• 1:09:24
  I mean this, I mean they decapitated George Bush over Katrina, and what
• 1:09:30
  Joe Biden has done at least using the same media rules with regard to Maui
• 1:09:34
  is way, way, way worse, as does the local response. I
• 1:09:41
  mean, I still believe Katrina was mostly a local response problem in New Orleans.
• 1:09:45
  Well, everything we know about the Maui situation is pointing not towards climate
• 1:09:51
  change, like the Democratic governor of Hawaii has tried to claim, but apparently
• 1:09:57
  because of the poor handling of the electrical system. The system was antiquated,
• 1:10:01
  it was not kept up to date, the electricity was not turned off.
• 1:10:05
  That by all accounts, even the Associated Press is reporting that it appears to
• 1:10:10
  have been the cause of the wildfires was based in the electrical system. Plus,
• 1:10:14
  she had a catastrophically poor response at nearly every level, and it was
• 1:10:19
  local and using the Katrina president it was also national based on the way that
• 1:10:27
  Biden responded, especially when it came to his comparison to his own situation involving
• 1:10:31
  almost losing his corvette. But this is the stark hypocrisy. This is why
• 1:10:38
  the news media matters. This is why the death of journalism matters, because
• 1:10:42
  this could have been the moment that ended, or at least came close to
• 1:10:45
  ending Joe Biden's reelection chances. And instead he'll be able to survive this and
• 1:10:51
  this should destroy democratic response is my god, the use of water based in
• 1:10:58
  equity and wokeness in stealth. What was best to try to prevent wildfires?
• 1:11:03
  I mean, this was almost a textbook and how not to respond to something
• 1:11:08
  based upon, you know, the liberal playbook. It should have been condemned
• 1:11:13
  nationally, and instead, I think this is going to be a very small
• 1:11:15
  story in the overall scheme of things, and bizarrely, it's going to continue
• 1:11:23
  with this global warming climate change narrative. And we've got all sorts of wildfires.
• 1:11:28
  Now you've got to wildfires in Grease, which by the way are arson
• 1:11:31
  wildfires, and in Canada, which by the way, are largely arson.
• 1:11:36
  And we've got the Maui wildfires, which apparently were because of the electrical system
• 1:11:41
  and all sorts of scrubs locally having nothing to do with global warming climate change,
• 1:11:45
  but that's what the media will pick up on because that fits their agenda
• 1:11:49
  and that helps their narrative. There were a couple of new studies out this
• 1:11:55
  week that show just how ridiculous the left wing media is on these kind of
• 1:12:00
  things I supposed to hear. In California, we've had this huge push for
• 1:12:04
  paper straws instead of plat plastic straws in fast food restaurants because somehow plastic straws
• 1:12:13
  are bad for the environment, which is just so ludicrous and hilarious in so
• 1:12:17
  many ways. I mean, when you go to McDonald's, which we do
• 1:12:20
  often because my two daughters love McDonald's, the amount of plastic you get is
• 1:12:26
  off that sharts. I mean, the cups are plastic, the cup holders
• 1:12:30
  are plastic. Everything is plastic, and then you have to ask for a
• 1:12:33
  straw. I mean, that's sound insane, this is, but whenever they
• 1:12:39
  can, they give you these paper straws. Well, now there's a new
• 1:12:41
  study ad indicating that paper straws maybe more dangerous than plastic straws, both to
• 1:12:47
  humans and to the environment. And by the way, speaking of this,
• 1:12:51
  when's the study ever going to be out about the impact environmentally of mask mandates
• 1:12:57
  because of all the paper and plastic got thrown out all over the place,
• 1:13:01
  the billions and billions of wasted paper and plastic on masks that did absolutely nothing.
• 1:13:08
  I mean, that was the biggest point of hypocrisy, maybe in the
• 1:13:12
  entire COVID ystery, which is really saying something, which was that somehow left
• 1:13:17
  wing environmentalists who are trying to prevent you from having plastic straws were forcing you
• 1:13:23
  to wear a useless, fricking mask every day. It's just it wasn't so
• 1:13:29
  serious. It literally would be hilarious. And by the way, there's a
• 1:13:31
  new mask study indicating that masks may actually do more harm than good, especially
• 1:13:39
  beyond short term use. And there's never been any indication that masks actually do
• 1:13:44
  anything. We don't need any studies for this. We have unprecedented real world
• 1:13:48
  data from three years proving that nowhere in the world did mask mandates do anything
• 1:13:54
  positive but environmentally, and now we even know medically masks likely did a lot
• 1:14:00
  of harm. And yet this won't resonate in the news media because it doesn't
• 1:14:03
  fit their agenda. It doesn't fit their narrative, it makes them look bad,
• 1:14:08
  they don't want to admit their wrong and it upsets too many liberals.
• 1:14:12
  And I want to end this particular episode of the podcast with a clip that
• 1:14:16
  I don't normally bother with MSNBC. It's funny to me that, you know,
• 1:14:21
  many years ago I used to appear on MSNBC on a fairly regular basis.
• 1:14:25
  But MSNBC is so far gone that it's not even worth bothering with except
• 1:14:30
  in rare circumstances. And I have been talking a lot about how we are
• 1:14:34
  headed back towards some sort of COVID lockdown or restrictions or mandates, and that
• 1:14:40
  they're connecting this to climate change and global warming. But even I have been
• 1:14:45
  stunned by how brazen the left is, how obvious the left wing media is
• 1:14:50
  when it comes to trying to reverse and rewrite history, not just to admit
• 1:14:56
  that they weren't wrong, but to be able to do this all over again.
• 1:15:01
  And there was a chilling example that happened on MSNBC. This is a
• 1:15:05
  host by the name of Medi Hassan. Medi Hassan who doesn't have a major
• 1:15:12
  show on MSNBC, but it's of some significance. So Hassan did an entire
• 1:15:16
  show on the idea that, you know, this concept that the right is
• 1:15:21
  selling that we shouldn't have closed schools. Yeah, that was that's a myth.
• 1:15:26
  That's a myth. Closing schools was the right thing to do, and
• 1:15:29
  we ought to be prepared to do it again. An entire show that was
• 1:15:33
  complete gas lighting, complete bullshit. And I just want to play about a
• 1:15:39
  minute long clip here. This was Hassan introwing this program that he did on
• 1:15:45
  MSNBC trying to justify school closings and paved the path for liberals to be able
• 1:15:54
  to get away with this again in the future. He references this in this
• 1:15:58
  minute long clip that you're about to here where he's talking about, you know,
• 1:16:01
  we might have to do this again with the next pandemic. By the
• 1:16:05
  way, I mean, you know, allegedly we had one pandemic in the
• 1:16:10
  last hundred years, but they're already preparing for the next one, like it
• 1:16:13
  could have come around the corner. How did that happen? But the most
• 1:16:16
  there's so many elements of this clip that are amazing and frightening and chilling,
• 1:16:21
  but the most remarkable to me is that if you listen, he's almost lamenting.
• 1:16:28
  Not almost, he's lamenting the idea that you know, it's not just
• 1:16:31
  Fox News viewers that have come to this conclusion that we shouldn't have closed schools.
• 1:16:36
  Even some of us good people may have looked around under us good liberals
• 1:16:41
  may have looked around and go, well, gee, maybe we shouldn't have
• 1:16:44
  done that. And I want to correct that. I want to get you
• 1:16:46
  back on the right path. I want to correct your thinking so that we
• 1:16:51
  don't have to admit that we were wrong, and that if we get the
• 1:16:55
  opportunity to do this again, we're going to shut everything down again by gas
• 1:17:00
  lighting you about basic logic, common sense, and reality. And here's what
• 1:17:04
  that sounded like on MSNBC. COVID is not gone, and our kids in
• 1:17:09
  particular are still at risk of infection, of reinfection, of long term harm,
• 1:17:13
  and yes of death. Today, I want to address this thorny and
• 1:17:17
  very emotive issue of kids, schools and COVID because we have seen a blatant
• 1:17:21
  and bad faith rewriting of history on this issue from a lot of people who
• 1:17:26
  should know better. And so I think this today, what you're about to
• 1:17:30
  watch is one of the most important deep dives I've ever done on this show,
• 1:17:33
  because the myths about children and COVID, that kids aren't really harmed by
• 1:17:38
  it, that school closures were a massive and avoidable mistake, that they cause
• 1:17:42
  learning loss and mental health issues. Those myths, and they are myths.
• 1:17:45
  Dangerous myths have endured for so long, become so ingrained, so pervasive,
• 1:17:51
  that they're not just something Fox viewers believe. I'm sure many of you watching
• 1:17:55
  at Home of sadly come to accept many of these myths as true. We
• 1:18:00
  need to reassert what the actual truth of the matter is, especially if we
• 1:18:02
  are to be prepared for the next pandemic when it inevitably comes, and especially
• 1:18:08
  if we are to protect and not abandon our kids right now as they return
• 1:18:11
  to school. That to me is just amazing on so many levels, and
• 1:18:16
  I could spend three hours talking about why it's insane, But from my own
• 1:18:21
  experience having had two kids in school during the COVID period, especially one who's
• 1:18:29
  now eleven years old, who has a learning disability, who missed a year
• 1:18:31
  and a half of school here in California at a very critical time when that
• 1:18:35
  learning disability was not found out in a proper time and was not given proper
• 1:18:42
  treatment, and she'll probably suffer academically for the rest of her life. We
• 1:18:46
  have a very personal experience with this, and it's not just the loss of
• 1:18:53
  learning, which is obviously a big deal. You can't I mean, if
• 1:18:57
  you can't, if you can miss a year and a half school and it
• 1:19:00
  not matter, then why go to school at all? School means nothing?
• 1:19:05
  And by the way, guests who got taught at school? Isn't that important?
• 1:19:10
  Every single kid that had school canceled over a virus that doesn't impact them
• 1:19:15
  and didn't kill their parents or even their grandparents. And the truancy rates,
• 1:19:20
  especially in the inner cities, are now off the charts post COVID because we
• 1:19:27
  taught that lesson. We sent that message schools not that important. We can
• 1:19:31
  cancel it if we need to, don't bother with it, don't worry about
• 1:19:35
  it. And by the way, Hassan's entire argument is based upon the idea,
• 1:19:38
  well, none of these bad things psychologically happened to kids during summer when
• 1:19:43
  they don't have school, so inherently not going to school isn't that bad,
• 1:19:46
  which is just acidide I mean, I don't even know how you address that.
• 1:19:51
  It's so stupid, so obviously insane. But this is the level of
• 1:19:57
  these people are willing to go to the gas lighting that they're willing to engage
• 1:20:00
  in to defend what they did and to pay the path to do it all
• 1:20:04
  over again in the future. So it was the loss of social contact,
• 1:20:11
  the loss of services, especially for special needs kids, the teaching of an
• 1:20:15
  entire generation. The school doesn't matter. It's not just falling a year and
• 1:20:20
  a half behind in school, which has absolutely happened. There's all sorts of
• 1:20:26
  ramifications of this, the likes of which we have not even begin to comprehend.
• 1:20:30
  And we will never outlive. This is never going to change. We've
• 1:20:34
  got an entire generation now that it is stuck with this, and now they
• 1:20:39
  want to rewrite history and claim that they were right and that we should do
• 1:20:43
  it again. And I realize it's almost it's only MSNBC. I get that.
• 1:20:47
  That gives me some hope. But these people are for real, folks.
• 1:20:50
  They are serious about this and nominating Trump. If the other side doesn't
• 1:20:57
  understand what we're up against, we're going to get what we do because Trump
• 1:21:00
  got us in this to begin with, and you know running him is not
• 1:21:03
  going to help prevent it from happening ever again, even if he somehow wins.
• 1:21:09
  So that's how it'll end with on this episode eighty four of the Death
• 1:21:13
  of Journalism podcast, as is always the case. Thanks so much for listening.
• 1:21:15
  Please remember to subscribe, rate and review and share this podcast with others.
• 1:21:18
  If you share it on social media, please tag me and I'll share
• 1:21:21
  it with my followers on Twitter and on Facebook. Thanks again for listening.
• 1:21:26
  Until next time, this has been the Death of journalism and podcasts. My
• 1:21:29
  name is John Zigler.