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To Mel and Back with Joan Vassos (The Golden Bachelor Season 2 Episode 4 Recap) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Almost Famous Podcasts. It's been here
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  Speaker 2: today and I am joined by the Golden Bachelorette herself,
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  Speaker 2: Joan Vassos. We to recap the latest episode of The
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor. Joan to get us started, though, I want
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  Speaker 2: to ask, how's chalk? He recently said, you hadn't seen
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  Speaker 2: each other in about a month.
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  Speaker 3: That was crazy, So okay, so we got we started.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we got engaged in August of last year,
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  Speaker 3: and we've always been really good about seeing each other
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  Speaker 3: every like two to three weeks at the most was
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  Speaker 3: like our biggest time of part and then all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, twice this summer, we just had really conflicting schedules.
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  Speaker 3: And also, I mean part of the problem is he
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  Speaker 3: has a business in Wichita and he kind of has
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  Speaker 3: to be there. So we had two instances where we
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  Speaker 3: didn't see each other for a whole month, and that
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  Speaker 3: was one of those, was like last week, but we
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  Speaker 3: got together or he suggested that maybe we meet in
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  Speaker 3: New York because that's like kind of our happy place
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  Speaker 3: and it's like when we go when I go to Wichita,
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  Speaker 3: or he comes to Maryland like our families all around
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  Speaker 3: us and we don't get to spend like super duper
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  Speaker 3: quality time together like we want. So we always round
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  Speaker 3: a vue in New York City. So we did that
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  Speaker 3: and we saw a show, We went to Great Dinners,
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  Speaker 3: and we walked in Central Park and just had a
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  Speaker 3: great relaxing time. It was a real good, like what
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  Speaker 3: our relationship needed.
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  Speaker 2: When were you there in New York last.
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  Speaker 3: Friday Saturday Sunday? So just a couple days ago?
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  Speaker 2: You were there when I was there with Chris Harrison
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  Speaker 2: and Wells Adams for the City Cruises.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I was on the train on the way
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  Speaker 3: up there and I was listening to your podcast with
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  Speaker 3: Ashley and you said you were going to be doing that.
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  Speaker 3: You were there on Sunday, right, Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: How was it?
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing?
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  Speaker 1: It went.
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  Speaker 2: So we have another one in San Diego December sixth.
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  Speaker 2: It was a blast. We had fun, the best time.
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  Speaker 2: It was nothing but reminiscing and telling stories. The cool
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  Speaker 2: part is our listeners are going to be able to actually
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  Speaker 2: hear New York event because we recorded it with iHeart,
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  Speaker 2: so it's going to be on our stream here soon, Joan.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny. I was just I just got off the
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  Speaker 2: phone with the sweetest, nicest United Airlines rep and she
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  Speaker 2: recognized my voice from this show and she's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she got to tell me about her love with the
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor and the Golden Bachelor and all Bachelor things related.
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  Speaker 2: And I was telling her, Hey, I get to jump
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  Speaker 2: on a recording soon and talk about this Golden Bachelor,
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  Speaker 2: and she was so excited.
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  Speaker 3: What is she What does she think about him? I
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  Speaker 3: love to hear people's perspective.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get an inside glance, but I did get
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  Speaker 2: insight from our shows that we were doing live in Boston,
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  Speaker 2: New York. I think that people look at Mel and
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  Speaker 2: they say, a very handsome guy. He seems kind. But
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason in and we could probably you know,
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  Speaker 2: name a few, the audience just isn't connecting with it
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  Speaker 2: like they did past, you know, with Gary, because yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think I honestly, I think Mel is just it's
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  Speaker 2: it's uncommon for a guy like him not to be
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  Speaker 2: able to find somebody, and I think they want that
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  Speaker 2: like more heartfelt second chance at love. This feels like
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  Speaker 2: maybe one of the only ways that somebody's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: able to find it kind of story, and so it's
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  Speaker 2: just not connecting.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you on that, like that we think, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't need this show to find love, like he
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  Speaker 3: probably has women all over him. But I also feel
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  Speaker 3: like he is. Like I feel like, so we're an
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  Speaker 3: episode four and I feel like by now I should
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  Speaker 3: know something about him. I still know nothing. He just
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  Speaker 3: doesn't open up. And by the way, he doesn't do
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  Speaker 3: it this episode either, So I feel like we're going
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  Speaker 3: to run out of time and we may get to
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  Speaker 3: the end of the season and not know Mal and
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  Speaker 3: that's going to be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: I told Ashley this last week. I said, what we
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  Speaker 2: need from Mel, what Mel needs for himself, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't mean this to he needs a breakdown, Like he
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  Speaker 2: needs that moment of vulnerability that you know this show
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  Speaker 2: oftentimes provides from the lead where we see them so invested,
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  Speaker 2: so conflicted, so saddened by the exits, but also the conversations,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't we don't have that yet, And like
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  Speaker 2: you said, I think we need that in episode one
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  Speaker 2: because people were cautious going into the season based on
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  Speaker 2: the comments that Mel had made to really invest into
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  Speaker 2: this season. And now we're we're actually going to be
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  Speaker 2: talking about episode four today. But we're pretty far into
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  Speaker 2: this thing for the Golden Season, and we don't have
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  Speaker 2: that moment, like you said, where we know him. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what he actually wants. He says the right things,
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  Speaker 2: he listens to the ladies talk. They tell him how
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  Speaker 2: much they like him, and then he says, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: That means so much to me. We don't know him
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 3: We don't and we're gonna run out of time. And
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  Speaker 3: the thing is, I think he's probably being coached by producers, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you've been on it, I've been on it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they know what you need to be doing.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like he's being coached and he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have it in him. Is what I'm afraid of. That
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  Speaker 3: we're just going to run out of time and he
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  Speaker 3: just isn't going to give that to us. Because you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're getting pretty far along into this. He we're down
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  Speaker 3: to only nine women, okay, he started out with twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: twenty five, and you know, we're getting down to where
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  Speaker 3: things are going to get serious really soon. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to get down to hometowns before we know it, and
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  Speaker 3: we know nothing about mel I'm just afraid he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have it in him, he doesn't have anything to say.
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  Speaker 2: I would also say, there's a couple of things, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad we're talking about this with you. I actually
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  Speaker 2: don't think we know the women either. I think we
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  Speaker 2: know pieces of them. But you know, when you were
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  Speaker 2: on the Golden Bachelor, there are storylines from the women,
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  Speaker 2: maybe their storylines of loss, maybe their storylines of hope.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there's storylines of getting through something difficult like illness
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  Speaker 2: or financial struggle. We don't I could not name one
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  Speaker 2: of those instances right now. And then here's the other side.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to leave space for you to comment
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  Speaker 2: on this. This feels very much like a Bachelor season
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  Speaker 2: to me. And that was what was beautiful about the
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  Speaker 2: Golden Show originally was it was so different. It was heartwarming,
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  Speaker 2: it was heartfelt, it was beautiful. It was one of
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  Speaker 2: support and hope, and this like empowerment. This feels very
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor to me because we have a villain this season,
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  Speaker 2: and Nicole, I know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I feel like it feels very Bachelor, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: but I think part of the way the reason it
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  Speaker 3: feels very Bachelor I mean, I think everybody knows, or
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  Speaker 3: we all know in this business that bachelor seasons do
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  Speaker 3: better than bachelorette seasons because people like having the women
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  Speaker 3: as the storyline because they are so open and giving
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  Speaker 3: of themselves and telling about themselves and wanting to talk.
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  Speaker 3: And this group, like you said, really hasn't done that
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  Speaker 3: that much. So it also feels like a bachelor season
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  Speaker 3: because of that. It just I feel like we're lacking,
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  Speaker 3: We're lacking all of those backstories. Like you said, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like the only one I really know right now
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  Speaker 3: maybe Debbie, and I feel like I am rooting for
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  Speaker 3: her just because she's the only one I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I know, and maybe Shayl a little bit because she
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  Speaker 3: hadn't want one date.
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  Speaker 2: It's missing it right now for me, and I'm frustrated
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  Speaker 2: by that because I love the Golden franchise. I think
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  Speaker 2: it is something that could be still. I'm hoping so
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  Speaker 2: good for the franchise and for the show, but it's tough.
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  Speaker 2: Let's jump into this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that villain, because.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot there a lot to say. We're
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  Speaker 2: recapping episode four. We kind of start this whole thing
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  Speaker 2: with Debbie leading the women in a workout class by
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  Speaker 2: the pool. We have nine to eleven women left at
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  Speaker 2: this point. Carol admits at this point she's holding back,
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  Speaker 2: and then Debbie comes in with the date card. Now
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  Speaker 2: here's where we'll start. Joan Peg gets the one on
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  Speaker 2: one this week, and you wanted to talk about our
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  Speaker 2: villain Nicole. She's surprised if I remember, right at this moment,
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  Speaker 2: and a little irritated by Peg getting this one on one.
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  Speaker 2: It's the start a little foreshadowing I think of what's
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  Speaker 2: to come for this episode where the underlying theme is
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  Speaker 2: Nicole rubbing people the wrong way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she started this rubbing people the wrong way,
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  Speaker 3: like already it's happened in other episodes. She just is
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  Speaker 3: I think she's so very self un unself aware, like
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  Speaker 3: she doesn't really see reality. And she thinks they all
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  Speaker 3: really like her, I think, and I think they're all
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  Speaker 3: rolling in their eyes as she walks out of rooms
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  Speaker 3: after she says these crazy statements, and this was one
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  Speaker 3: of them. I mean, and we hear a lot of
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  Speaker 3: it in interviews, so I don't think they're hearing everything
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  Speaker 3: we're hearing when they watch this back. I think there
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  Speaker 3: are it's going to be a whole different story. But
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  Speaker 3: right now, like she's saying that in an interview, she's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't really get like why she hasn't one on
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  Speaker 3: one day, I believe haven't seen the chemistry. Well why
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  Speaker 3: would you see the chemistry? You know, like they're having
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  Speaker 3: individual conversations, not in your eyesight. So I think she
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  Speaker 3: just wants to, you know, feel like she has an
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  Speaker 3: upper hand, and so she's just poopooing everybody else's relationships
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  Speaker 3: because she thinks she's.
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  Speaker 2: For mel Why do you how do you feel about
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  Speaker 2: their being an identified villain during during the Golden Show?
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  Speaker 2: Do you like, how does that make you feel watching
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  Speaker 2: it back now knowing you've been a part of all
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  Speaker 2: this seasons up until this point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. So I don't like it. So I
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  Speaker 3: think the thing that people like about Golden Bachelor and
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  Speaker 3: Golden Bachelotte is that there isn't drama. And I've heard
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  Speaker 3: that over and over and over again. So it has
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  Speaker 3: its own little place in Bachelor world. And I like
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  Speaker 3: that it has its own little place, and it's like
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  Speaker 3: what people are looking for when they go to that place.
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  Speaker 3: And now that place has been like kind of uprooted
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, and now it has like paint splashed
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  Speaker 3: on it or whatever. It just isn't as pure as
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  Speaker 3: it was. And I'm not sure will it ever go
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  Speaker 3: back to being pure again. And I'm worried once drama
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  Speaker 3: is introduced, then all of a sudden, it's okay now.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope that that is not the case, because
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to lose that audience and
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  Speaker 3: we're already worried about that. We're already worried about the
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  Speaker 3: Golden audience, and this is just another thing to drive
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  Speaker 3: them away.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you, there was great momentum coming out
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  Speaker 2: of The Golden Bachelor and Golden Bachelor into this season.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was at a tipping point of really
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  Speaker 2: taking off and becoming a household watchable product. You're right
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  Speaker 2: in saying it was pure, you know. The Bachelor, I
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  Speaker 2: think really suffered when drama became the focus and story
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  Speaker 2: and love became kind of secondary to the overall message,
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  Speaker 2: and drama was what people were, you know, what the
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  Speaker 2: show was showing. I hope the show listens to their
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  Speaker 2: audience and says, hey, they're not liking the drama. They're
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  Speaker 2: not watching the drama. They're not intrigued by the drama. Jessica,
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  Speaker 2: my wife watched The Golden because of the lack of drama.
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  Speaker 2: It was something we could watch and not get frustrated with.
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  Speaker 2: We could watch it and just enjoy the beautiful stories
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  Speaker 2: and the beautiful people that came through. I think adding
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  Speaker 2: in drama and focusing on drama is a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: That's my take, completely agree. Yeah, and I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: if we can go backwards now now that we've had drama.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I worry a little bit that Bachelor is
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  Speaker 3: worried about its audience and it so let's let's like
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  Speaker 3: just jump off of Golden and go and look who
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  Speaker 3: they just cast for the next season of Bachelorette. Somebody
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  Speaker 3: who's a really controversial figure. You know, she has a
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  Speaker 3: like a very sordid pass, and she's going to bring readings.
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  Speaker 3: Are they doing this for ratings? That's what scares me now,
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  Speaker 3: Like if you then all of us, all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden become a show about ratings, then you lose your purity,
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  Speaker 3: you lose why you're really there, so and your ratings
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  Speaker 3: should follow your you know, the reason you're there, as
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  Speaker 3: opposed to the other way around.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right, and I heard that all weekend
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  Speaker 2: on these cruises. Is that right, going? Yeah, just you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard for us to now watch the show when
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  Speaker 2: the intention behind the show is not what it used
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  Speaker 2: to be, which is, even if this doesn't work out,
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  Speaker 2: the people coming on were least hopeful that maybe this
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  Speaker 2: is where the start of their love story began, which
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  Speaker 2: is a good segue here. We're going to get back
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  Speaker 2: to the Peg and Maldate because there's some great moments
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  Speaker 2: on that date and the fair is beautiful. But kind
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  Speaker 2: of underlying through this episode is the conversation about becoming
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  Speaker 2: an influencer and promoting brands and your status in society
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  Speaker 2: as somebody that's known, did you during your time on
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  Speaker 2: the show ever hear these kind of conversations happening and
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  Speaker 2: they just weren't shown? Was it a different mindset? Kind
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  Speaker 2: of talk about what your experience was on the show
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  Speaker 2: based on what you're watching now this season?
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  Speaker 3: So I think as you get farther along, it happened
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  Speaker 3: with and Bachelorette and now it's happening with Golden The
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  Speaker 3: first seasons are really about what the seasons are supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be about and like we didn't know about being
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  Speaker 3: an influencer. I didn't even know what an influencer was.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even have Instagram. And I think that was
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  Speaker 3: true for pretty much everyone on our show. I think
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  Speaker 3: that was pretty much true for all the men that
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  Speaker 3: were on my show. But I feel like as people,
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  Speaker 3: So people on Golden Baucher now have Instagram, So I
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  Speaker 3: have Instagram, Kathy, Susan, Nancy, everybody has Instagram now from
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  Speaker 3: our season, and so we're now already starting from like
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  Speaker 3: one step higher. So we went from us not having
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  Speaker 3: Instagram to this group now having Instagram and thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I could make something out of this. So I feel
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  Speaker 3: like this influencer thing just like those steps go up
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  Speaker 3: and up and up for every season, and I think
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  Speaker 3: now we've just made the next step up, like now
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  Speaker 3: they know and now the next group is going to
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  Speaker 3: make that next step, and all of a sudden, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to be just like the regular Bachelor and Bachelrettes.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be people that are going on there
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  Speaker 3: for the wrong reasons, trying to be influencers, thinking this
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  Speaker 3: is the way that they are going to be famous,
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to how great it was right in the
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  Speaker 3: beginning with the first Golden Bauchler in the first in
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  Speaker 3: my first season, where everybody was there for just only
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  Speaker 3: the right reasons, nobody was there for any other reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it goes back to your word purity. It
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  Speaker 2: had a pure spirit to it because there was no
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  Speaker 2: other thought process or intention coming into the show and
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  Speaker 2: then really leaving the show. And I obviously know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the contestants that were on your season, but
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  Speaker 2: also you know during Gary's time as the Bachelor, and yes,
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  Speaker 2: some of them have made new second careers, third careers
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  Speaker 2: based on the show, but those things were kind of
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  Speaker 2: offered to them. They weren't pursued during it or from it. Joan,
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to this. Peg and Mel date interesting couple
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  Speaker 2: to me. They're very unique, both very active athletic. They
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  Speaker 2: went to a fair. There's one of our producers on
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  Speaker 2: the show head there has been to this fair every
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  Speaker 2: summer of her life. Mel and Peg say they've both
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  Speaker 2: been to this fair before. Firs are a big deal
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  Speaker 2: because where I come from, the Kasiasco County Fair in Warsaw,
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  Speaker 2: Indiana is what people travel thirty plus miles to come
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  Speaker 2: to because it is one of the coolest things of
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  Speaker 2: the summer. I love fairs, big fan of fairs. I
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  Speaker 2: still go back for the fair. What was your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on the relationship or the connection between Peg and Mel.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like wholesome fun and that's what we needed
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  Speaker 3: from the two of them, because she is just I
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  Speaker 3: feel like she is like an innocent I mean, she's
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  Speaker 3: probably seen terrible things in her life. She worked with
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  Speaker 3: the FBI, she was a firefighter, like she had all
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  Speaker 3: these experiences. Yet she is just so joyful and she's
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  Speaker 3: so easy to get along with, and she's game for anything.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it was a perfect date for them.
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  Speaker 3: I think we really needed to see that from Mel. Also,
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  Speaker 3: Like I knew she had it in her, but I
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  Speaker 3: needed to see if he had it in him, Like
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  Speaker 3: can you just be fun and let go of like
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  Speaker 3: all of your status in the world. You know, you've
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  Speaker 3: been a professional football player, you're a lawyer. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think he has all this kind of ego in
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  Speaker 3: him and just like have no ego and just have
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  Speaker 3: fun to act like a kid. So I think we
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  Speaker 3: needed this from him, and I think he did a
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  Speaker 3: really good job. I think he was really engaged.
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  Speaker 2: Peg is one of those like big personalities. I think
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  Speaker 2: that could push him out of his comfort zone, which
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  Speaker 2: is I think, as you said, something needed. She is
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a big personality. She's a fun personality. I wish we'd
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: actually get more of Peg throughout the season as we
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: watch her interact even with the women, because I think
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: she is probably hilarious. I can just picture her filter
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: not being there, similar to a Kathy where they say
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: wild things and it's hilarious and it's lovable and we
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: like them more for it. I wish we saw more
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: of Peg kind of interacting amongst the women in the house.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: But this was a good date and I do think
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: if anything, if nothing else, this was a very humanizing
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: moment for us watching Mel. We got to watch him
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: become just a human and not some robot that's you know, handsome, smart,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: accomplished all these things. It's like, we just want to
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: see him go out and throw a baseball and eat
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever fair food they eat, and have fun
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: and have fun. That I think that the message is
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: just we want to see Mel have fun during this.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: We really did. And the fact that he had fun
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: even though she was beating him in most of the games. Yeah,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it was actually showed me that his ego wasn't as
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: much as I thought. It was like he was happy
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: that she was really good. He thought she was a
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I think he actually said I think she's a badass
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: or something like that, like he was. He thought it
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: was charming and he liked that about her. So that
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: made me like him more honestly, because you know, he
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: could have been one of those guys that like, oh
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: she's better and like sulked or you know, not want
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: to play the games anymore. He kept going back for
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: more and.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: He liked it. Yeah. I think the big moment that
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: stands out too is peg throwing the baseball. How into
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: it she got. I don't know if that's like just
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to her being funny or if that's how she throws
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a baseball, but it had to be clocking at eighty
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: five miles per hour straight down the pipe because she
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: put her whole body in.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Curiously, I know, I was like, where did she learn
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: how to do that? I feel like everything she does
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: surprises me. She's just good at everything, and as well
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: as looking good while she's doing it, she's just so cute,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: so pretty. It's just a cute little figure. And she's
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: just so joyful. She makes you smile. And he even
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: said that when she was walking up, or maybe it
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: was in one of his interviews, he said, every time
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I'm with Peg, I just smile. It's just infectious. She
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: just makes you smile. And I think he had such
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: a good time with her. And I feel like, honestly,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I don't want to give them to call any credit,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: but I hadn't seen a lot of chemistry with them either,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and I thought, this is where I finally see it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. One of the funniest moments it just
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: like made me smile is they kind of endo their
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: day with the Casey and the Sunshine Band, which is
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: something my dad played so often.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: By the way, I knew every song I'm sorry, I'm
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I'm of the Golden Era too. I love Casey in
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the Central Band.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's it just made me smile. I loved it because
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is bringing back my childhood playing
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: over the you know, the speakers in the house. This
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: is a great date. And then we're moving on to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the next day at the mansion. This is where we're
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: really getting the conversation that we just talked about about influencing. Yeah,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the kind of the status that these women will have
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: coming off of this show, it feels I don't know
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: why I feel this way. Almost watching it felt heavy
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: to me joan like one. I think the dreams and
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the expectations will fall short of what they're hop like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: what Nicole is really hoping for out of this. I
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: just I don't know any people that have made a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: living influencing off of this show. I think it's very hard.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's very sporadic. I think it seemed sor lived,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: short lived. I think it's just tough. So I feel
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: heavy in that manner that she comes onto this thinking
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: that her life is going to change and she's going
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: to be able to influence. I also don't love again.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's heavy because I love this Golden franchise
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: so much. It felt almost like a pivoting turning point
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: for me watching the show where I say, Okay, the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: purity of this is gone. Now, this was good, this
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was great. It was different than anything else the Bachelor
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: has put out there. It's no longer different, and I'm
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: sad about that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: It was so blatant and so she just held nothing back.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I felt like she was really full of herself. That morning,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: she got up with a like a new look on
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Lias on life and she was going to go just
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: put it all out there, and she's like, you know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I came here not just dating Mail, I'm dating America.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not even sure what that means. But
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: h and everybody who's watching and not watching, I'm not
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: sure what that means. Then she said, like, we have
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: real housewife status. I think you're right, She's her thought
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: of this is overinflated. There are lots of people that
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: come off the show and go back to their normal lives.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Like I honestly, I came off of being Golden Bachelorette
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and I got home on a Friday and I went
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to work on Monday morning. Like your life doesn't change
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: that much. You go back to your regular life. And
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think she gets that, or I don't think
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: that's what she wants, but I do feel like it
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: was so blatant it did kind of ruin things. Yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: and I mean I think she sucks the air out
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: of the room, like with her like weird comments.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Like if you have one kind of person
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: speaking this way and doing this type of thing. It
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: does change the whole vibe of the house. I went
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: back to work after my time as a bachelor. Yeah,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: for two years. I sold software again until other things
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: kind of came on and my world and I could
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: leave my job for two years. A week after filming stopped,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I was back in my office working and traveling for
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a software company. I think this messaging of whoever's telling
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: them this, that this influencing is the path and it's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: going to be handed to you and you're going to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: get paid so much money to post some pictures. I
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: just think it needs to go away because it is
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: hurting the show. It especially will hurt the Golden franchise. Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: so you know, we do get in the group date,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: before we get into the Lemon Bar scandal. Before we
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: do I do there was a line that I want
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to ask you about.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, I'm still just like kind of comprehend it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: To be honest, Joan, you are are You are a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: beautiful human, attractive in every way, personality, the physical appearance.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And there's so many other women on your season that
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: were just beautiful people. But Nicole as the last cast,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: was not that good looking or something along those lines.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wasn't so great looking or something like that. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: actually stopped it and rewound it. Couldn't believe somebody coud
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: actually say that. So and I'm like, Yep, she sure
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: as heck said that. And I don't even know what
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to say that. I mean, first of all, like you said,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: there are such beautiful women on the Golden Bachelor season,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: and at this point, we've gotten to know so many
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: of them, you know, we went through a whole season,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: but that we've seen them after the season, and like
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: what their lives look like and what good people they are.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: And I just don't think she is in touch with reality.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I just think she is so full of herself and
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: she is so I almost feel like like her whole
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: world is this show right now, and all of our
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: happiness and all of her status is involved in this show,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: and so she needs to make it really big and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: really special in her mind and to do that. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: she's also all about, like very very very in tune
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: with the looks and the way people look. And so
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, having a bunch of beautiful
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: men and the women on the show are really beautiful.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I agree with her, but I don't think they're any
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: more beautiful than the people that were on Goldenbaucher. I
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: think everybody's different. Everybody is beautiful in their own way,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and she just needs this to be bigger in that way.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Also, Yeah, I completely agree with you. I was surprised
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: by that comment because it is it just feels one
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: more critical than we're used to even seeing on The Bachelor,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: and then two I just don't I don't know if
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I agreed, And so it feels like a very aggressive
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: comment to make while you know you're on a show
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: that this will probably be shown on to national television,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: especially if somehow you're dating America. I just don't think
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: it's going to go over Well. No, well, we are
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: going to get into the group date. The group date
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: card says sexy at every age. It's gonna be a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: photo shoot with People magazine. Joan, you've been on the show,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You've done these to shoots. How Ashley and myself both
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: have different and but yet similar takes on a photo
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: shoot date. They seem to have popped up on every
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Golden Season so far? Season Yep, what do you think
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: of them? Did it feel this? Do you remember yours?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Does it feel fun? Does it bring people together, Like,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: just walk us through how it feels to be on
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: the Golden Show and be told you're going on a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: photo shoot.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: So on Golden Bachelor, Like, so first of all, let's
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: just say, like, as women, being on a photo shoot,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: like dressing up and like trying to pretender to something
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: else is what we've done all of our lives. Like
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: you you like, for you know, your third or fourth Christmas,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: you're given a box full of costumes that you wear
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: around the house all day with your friends, and you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: it's what we do. So honestly, I think it's a
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: really good date group date because women feel kind of comfortable,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and you got to think about other group dates that
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: they've had so far. They've been cheerleaders, kind of uncomfortable.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: They have had to do a comedy routine, also a
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: little hard in front of a bunch of people. So
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: as far as a group date, I feel like this
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: is comfortable for the women and we may get more
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: out of them because they're not so nervous. They are
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: going to put on like a fun outfit and have
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: your picture taken and get close to mel. What you
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: don't get is a lot of conversation in fact, you
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: get like no conversation. Honestly, you just get mel looking good.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: He's a handsome guy. He has a shirt off on
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of the a lot of this date he
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: has his shirt off and he's looks he's looking great.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And the women are looking really fun and pretty in
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: their costumes and they look like they're having a great time.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: You don't get a lot of conversation, but you do.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like it like really cute pictures and everybody
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: having fun and it looks like it's fun. But once again,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: what are you talking during these dates?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: You have your picture taken, and it's something talking is
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: something we're missing this season. I think we started saying
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: off the show saying, hey, we're missing getting to know people,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: but we do get to know somebody that I think
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: you and I both find not only interesting but very
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: intriguing in a really one of those characters this season
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: that I'd love to even learn more about. Debbie. She
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: gets emotional during this day because, as she's mentioned in
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the past, she's never been engaged, she's never been married.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I think she has been engaged.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: She has been engaged.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: You think, okay, yeah, yeah, she has been engaged, But
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: she's never been married okay, yep, but never worn a
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: wedding dress.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: This is very special. In fact, this I feel like
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: could have been her Golden Bachelor atte moment where this
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: person who is beautiful, who is open to sharing her
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: feelings and emotions, who's excited about the possibility of love,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: opens up about that and this is the date that
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: does it. It's you know what, though, it's interesting now
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that we're talking about this. I remember during Gary's season
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and they had the photo shoot. I think that's when Nancy,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Nancy really you know, opened up and started sharing. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: there is something about this wedding dress deal. It's a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: little bit mean because you're for anybody's been already in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the past or lost to spouse or maybe been divorced.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It is a reminder, yep of what was I don't
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: know if I love that aspect to it, but it
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: has caused the contestants to open up, and I think
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that is going to be very beneficial, especially this season.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: So in Gary season, Nancy opened up because she was
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: super emotional about she said, I haven't had a wedding
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: dress on since I was married, and she had lost
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: her husband and he had died of colon cancer, so
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: you know, it was really emotional for her. I see
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Debbie getting really emotional, and I also get that for
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: her because she has never had this experience. And like
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: most people by the age, by the time you're in
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: your sixties, you've been married. Maybe it didn't work out,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: maybe you're divorce or maybe your husband has passed away
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: like mine did. But you have actually had the time
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: to be married. You've spent years and years and years
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: with your person. And she's never had that. And it
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: makes me really worried for her because in her interview
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: after that, she's I was she said, you know, it
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: so special being in this wedding dress, and I was
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: ready for him to get down on one knee right there.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: And I feel like, oh, I'm going to kill him
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: if he breaks her heart. I'm afraid, you know. I
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: know she's one of nine stale and I'm really really
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: worried about her heart right now because I think she
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: is maybe the most open of everybody. Yeah, of all
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: the contestants, I think she is most of it. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: almost feel like she's most deserving. I want this so
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: badly for her to be a couple, to be married,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: she's wanted it for so long.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it points to if it doesn't work out
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: with her in Mel, how beautiful would it be if
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: she got her own chance and we could watch Like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: that's the type of people I want to watch.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with you.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: The show is people. I'm like, I beg of you
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to find a love and I beg of you to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: let me watch it because it would be so beautiful.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love that idea. I love that idea.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: So I hope she. I hope this works out for
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: her because I can see that she's really invested in Mel,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and she really likes them and I actually they're really
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: cute together. But if it doesn't, I love your idea. Okay,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to hold out hope that if she
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't get it, I'm not going to be heartbroken for her,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: because maybe she'll get to be the golden beout trite.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Let's put it out there, let's get people voting for it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I'm with you.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: This day kind of goes on and on, and then
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the photographer says he saw a lot of chemistry with
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Mel and Cindy. He wants to take them for more
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: pictures and so we see the women watching Mel and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Cindy roll around the beach. The conversation I want to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: have around this that I think is interesting. Ashley and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: myself talked about it last week. As a lead of
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a show, it was always very important to me to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: try to not show affection in front of the other
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: castmates or other contestants win at all possible. It just
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: felt mean, it felt like it would increase jealousy or envy.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Mel doesn't seem to have this. He seems to be
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: diving full force into kissing and holding on whoever is
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: near him in front of anybody else.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I mean we saw it in the pool, right, I
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: mean literally in front of everybody else.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: What do you think of that?
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I feel the same way as you do about it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: First of all, I not only feel about that way
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: about it in front of everybody else watching, and it
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: like creating conflict and creating you know, jealous as the person,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: like even as Cindy, I wouldn't have wanted it because
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I'd want the other girls to like me. But also
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: it seems a little voyeuristic to me, Like I don't
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: think that as like me watching the TV, like I
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: really want to see that kind of intimate moment. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: don't want to see anything that intimate. Like, you know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: kisses are okay, rolling on top of each other is
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: a little too much for me. I think it's especially
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: with the.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Golden I'm with you. I just it feels again either
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: pushing in the lines of being the Bachelor's show, or
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: it also even during the Bachelor show, would feel maybe
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: i'd say inappropriate, just with the respect of the other
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: people involved. Speaking of inappropriate, this date starts out really
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: like beautiful, and they're wearing dresses and all this stuff,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and then we end with people wearing towels. I don't
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: exactly remember or understand. Why how did we go from
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: dresses to towels?
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, so the whole beach theme is okay.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know how poor Carol ended up with just
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: a towel. And I'm looking at the rack of clothes
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: now she's standing there. She's like, all I have is
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a towel, but yet there is a rack still with
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: clothes on it. So I'm not sure how that happened.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: That seems maybe it was a little engineered and she
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: got stuck with the towel and like she didn't seem
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: like she really liked the idea, and she felt uncomfortable,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: and I felt uncomfortable for her, and I think maybe
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: she really didn't have clothes on. Unruth. I don't really know,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: but I think that's like kind of brave. You're running
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: around Malibu Beach with only a towel on. But she
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: embraced it at the end, which I'm surprised. She said,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I went from hey, being the tawgirl to loving being
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: the tow girl. I'm not sure why that transition happened.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I think she just finally accepted it and got into it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: But I don't know what were the producers thinking. Why
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: did she I don't even know the theme of that date.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: They all had different stuff on.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was just literally, I don't know
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: if there was an idea. It was like, here's a
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: photo shoot, and what can we individually pick out for
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: each person to make them feel the most uncomfortable or
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to bring out emotion. Carol does end up with the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: group day Rose from this day, so it does work
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: out for her, But we also see the first time
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: mel is kind of exposed to any drama that's happening
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: in the house. Robin brings up to Mel during this that, hey,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: she doesn't think everybody there is being authentic to the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: experience and to the pursuit of love that this show
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: is about. Mel pretty quickly dismisses this conversation and says, no,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I think they are As a lead Joan, when somebody
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: would come to you and say something like this, do
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you listen, how do you respond? What do you take
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: from it?
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: So I'm thinking about people that have done this in
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the past, and this happens all the time, especially on
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: just regular Bachelor Bacherette seasons. Happens pretty often, and I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: feel like the lead is always very conflicted about not
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: necessarily wanting to believe them, and sometimes the messenger becomes
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the person their manner and not the intended person that
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: maybe they should be wary of. So all of a sudden,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the messenger becomes the bad guy. And I think that's
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: what happened in this one. Also, that he didn't really
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: want to believe it, and even if she had told
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: him that it was Nicole, I think he's not thinking
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: with his head in his heart right now, to be honest,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping he starts thinking with the right body parts
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: but I think at this time he's not, and he
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: would have dismissed it anyway, even if she said the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: name as a lead. I think I would want to know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: but you just never know what people's motives are. Sure,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: so I'm not I'm not sure that you want to
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: dive into that, and maybe you need to discover things yourself.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm hoping that Mel discovers this himself. I mean,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: she's so out there with her statements. Eventually she's going
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: to say something to him. Yeah, I just can't imagine
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: that she's going to hide it from him for much longer.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I think it was such a fear of mine that
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: there would be people there with all interior motives that
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: if somebody would have said it to me and they did,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I think I just would have asked a few questions.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I'm with you on Hey, I'm not going to take
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: this as the only truth, but I want to be
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: able to investigate it, or at least to be knowledgeable
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of it, and if anything, maybe confront some of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: people that were brought up and just say, hey, like,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: you know the simple question. You know, I only need
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: to tell them who told me? But why are you here?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Like what excites you about this experience and about you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: what you're going through, just to get nuggets a little
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: bit of information, you know. I think, yes, you're right
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: if the person that says it oftentimes is the one
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: that gets in trouble mm hmm. Very rarely do we
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: see that go the other direction. Yeah, but I would
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: have asked a few more questions. I don't think I
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: just would have dismissed it and said no, no, no,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I know everything.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you think that Robin would have told him
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: the name if he had asked?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think she wanted to so bad.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I know, I wonder why he didn't ask. I kept
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: thinking he was going to ask, like, who are you
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: talking about? So I don't think he wanted to know. Yeah,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: just he would.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Have asked the name, which points to one of two
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: things to me. Either he just doesn't care, like at all.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: He hasn't not invested into this at all. There's no
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: emotion behind those the intention or like whatever. Yeah, that's fine,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I'm having a good time. We're doing it like I
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: haven't cried yet, I haven't really had a hard time yet.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing this this way. Or he
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't know to ask the question me. He doesn't know.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe he hasn't watched any other seasons. He doesn't even
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: know what the path forward would look like if he
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: did find out.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: But wouldn't you know, Like it was so easy to
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: just say. It's almost surprised that he didn't say, well,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: who are you talking about? Yeah, so it's I think
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: it's the what you said in the beginning. He doesn't care. Ye,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: you must not really care.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: And that's concerning for me. Again. I think the best
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: thing for him and this season would be a moment
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of vulnerability that he displays for us to go, yeah,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you're in this man, like you care, you're in it,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: you're invested, which I haven't seen it yet, but either.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: One of the big storylines of this episode that just
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: fell short, quite honestly, was the women are back at
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: the mansion the next day and they're preparing for this tailgate.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: They're making Mele's favorite dessert, which is lemon bars. We
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: see Nicole Larius sharing that if this was her idea
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: and she's doing all the work, we see her in
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the hot tub with a mask on, and the women going, yeah,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Nicole just sat out there with a mask on. And
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: watched things. They make these lemon bars, and then during
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the tailgate, Nicole brings them to Mel and says that
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: she made these for him, and she talks about how
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: she made him and that she made him with a
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: thin crust because it's the way he likes it. It
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: fell short to me because this wasn't this wasn't a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: small act. In my opinion, These women invested time and
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: effort and it could have been all of them. They
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: all kissed him one night together. Why not bring the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: limbars to them together and just share, Hey, we're all
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: thinking about you. But she decides to do it herself.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yet we see no follow up from it. That's kind
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: of where it ends, and so the story was never concluded,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: it was never brought to service. This I mean, Joan,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you've been a part of the show. This feels like
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the easiest producer moment ever. Hey do you know that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Nicole brought Mel those limen bars that you guys all
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: made today? And that's that's where they leave it. Like
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: they tell the one girl that they know, like Robin,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: who's going to be already upset and say something about it,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: but we see nothing.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: It's very odd that You're right that they just kind
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: of let it hang like it was done and he
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, they're good lemon bars, and then it
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: was kind of over. And I like, you know, so
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know the producers this year at all, because
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: they you know, you know, the franchise kind of had
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: an upheople last year and there's all different people. But
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I feel the same way about you, Like they just
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: missed this whole opportunity to you know, have so they're
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: allowing this weird drama with Nicole, like with her just
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: playing it out in her head with everybody else. But
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: when there is like real drama, like this is actually
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: something that they should be mad at her about, they
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: don't ever get the opportunity to do that to like
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: say no, she didn't make it, Like she literally went
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and sat in the hot tub, and like specifically the crush,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Like you're talking about the crust. They show like Jerry
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: and somebody else like actually rolling out the crust. Yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: and Nicole in the hot tub, like specifically the crust
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: the thing that I made it because it's extra thin,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: and I know that's how you like it, Like she
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: really didn't do that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: This could be lemon bar Gate, just like we've had
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: shrimp Gate in the past, and this could be an
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: iconic moment for the show. And it also could have
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: been a moment in the show that's memorable that maybe
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: made Mel take a step into something uncomfortable and confront something.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: But we don't see it. We see a small little
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: comment from Cindy about how she took credit, but it
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: feels like it just comes and goes. Yeah, it's such
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: a big, long story.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: And again it makes me think, is it Bachelor trying
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: to keep her around because she's creating controversy and so
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: if he discovers that she's lying about this, is he
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: then going to send her home and not give her
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: a rose this week?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's probably the only outcome. I think
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: you're right, I think. But then again, it makes me
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: ask the question, why do they show it unless they
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: want the audience to maybe be upset. Yeah, but the
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: audience is going to be upset already. It's really what
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I think the audience wants to see, is Mel do
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: something that feels human and have to respond to something
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: that feels uncomfortable. Mmm, yeah, we haven't seen yet.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he does, and he doesn't get the chance
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: to do that, and it would have been a perfect
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: time for him to maybe get rid of Nicole because
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: like we are all seen from the outside that that
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: needs to happen, and that he's not thinking with his
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: head in his heart, he's thinking with other things. It's
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: all physical with him right now with her, Like one
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: is he ever going to like get in touch with
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: reality and what she really is like because she's only
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: showing good side of her. He's not seeing all the
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: stuff we're seeing.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. It's just I think it's a
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: little bit of caring, and I think it's a little
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: bit of awareness mm hmm. And I think it's a
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: little bit of the the women in the house, you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: combating some of this. But he's gotten rid of the
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: combatis at this point Robin was trying to say something
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: to him. Yet we see at the Rose ceremony that
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Peg and car already have roses. Debbie, Cindy, Cheryl and
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Nicole get roses, which means Roxanne, Robin and Jerry are
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: going home. We see Jerry kind of be the focal
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: point of the exits. Mm hmm.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like like they never developed any farther like
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: first date rose, or like whatever, the first impression rose.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: She got that. I loved that she got that because
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: she was kind of a like an unlikely person to me.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I thought I didn't think she was going to get it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I thought people someone that made a bigger entrance usually
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: gets that. But he, you know, felt something about her.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: It just never grew. I didn't feel like it ever
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: really grew and continued on this group date. I didn't
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: feel like there was any chemistry between them on this date.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: So I feel like it never grew. But I love
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: that he did say, like that wasn't a mistake. I
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: really had a connection with you that first night, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: it's okay if it doesn't grow, you know, it is
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: what it is. There are other people that he felt
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: a bigger connection with. But I felt like she went
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: home happy, like she had her moment and she grew
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: from it. And I think that she's now opened the
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: door to dating and you know, like having a different
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: life that she didn't have before she came. This happened
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: to me, I mean, same kind of thing happened to me.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I went into Golden Boucher not really ready to date
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: and not really open to the whole thing. I just
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: kind of did it on a whim and thought, well,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna, you know, throw caution to the wind
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: and take a leap of faith and see how this works.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And I came out a completely different person. And I
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: feel like that's happened to Jerry.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Also, Yeah, I agree. I think, yeah, she will only
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: be better yep for this experience, and it's going to
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: be a good story to share. It'll be fun maybe
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: to see her be one of the goldens in Paradise.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: If they bring Paradise back, that would be fun. I know.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: They all jumped in the pool with their clothes on,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and then the rose ceremony really funny, really cute m h.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And then we see the previews for next week. There
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: looks like they're at some spiritual retreat. We can also
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: see dates at the Griffith Observatory, so it looks like
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: they're still in Los Angeles during this next episode mm hm.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: And we see some kissing, we see Debbie telling Mel
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: she's falling in love with him, and then we kind
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: of see the big moment where there's an suv that
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: pulls up. It looks like to one of their dates
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: that maybe is a group date or they're on a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: hike of some kind. Any insight joan into what you
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: think that could be.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So as far as like a spiritual retreat, I feel
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: like it's going to be really out of Mel's comfort zone.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I just think that's going to be weird. And I
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: feel like Bacher loves to do these spiritual things and
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: they're always so uncomfortable. I was so uncomfortable at the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: one on my season. I can't remember, did you do
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: a spirit like one of those yoga or one of
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: those weird things. It's a new thing. Huh. Yeah, they're uncomfortable.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I can't see Meil being really great at a spiritual
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: kind of retreat kind of thing, and then that a
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: suv pulls up. Does he finally figure out Nicole? I
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe all of this is leading up to that.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I feel like Cheryl is I
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: feel like she's acting a little bit.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Like over dramatizing something.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. So yeah, I don't know. What
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: do you think it is? I can't I can't think
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: other than I think Nicole, because maybe they're leading up
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: to this and we're going to be happy when she
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: gets sent home. Yeah maybe, yeah.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I mean it just you know, if it was a
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: medical emergency, would have seeing ems. So it's a black car,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: which means we're seeing an exit of some type. I
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: actually thought it was somebody coming to the show. To me,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I thought it was somebody arriving. But then I think
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the words are saying she left.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah again her saying I can't believe she's gone.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So I'm curious. It does feel like a
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: big moment during this season that they're going to tease,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: probably for a few weeks here. What it does point
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: me to is that Cheryl might be around a while. Yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: we'll see Joan. Any other comments that we haven't covered
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: when it comes to this season so far on The
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor, Hmm, I think.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: We covered Nicole pretty well. I feel like I am
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: missing some dates that need to happen, Like I feel
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: like Carol really needs a date. I love that she
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: gets the group date Rose, so I hope we see
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: more of her. Cheryl's had a date. Cindy needs a date.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Looks like she gets one though, right we see her
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: kind of kissing him, so I feel like Cindy gets one.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Debbie's getting great Nicole's kind of gotten one. PEG's gotten one.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: So I feel like, you know, I need Carol to
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: have something. I'm hoping we see more from her. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: really really like her.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. That's a great comment in something
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to state. Tune for next episodes. Joan, it is always
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: a gift to have you in our presence. You are
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: incredible at this. It is so fun to break this
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: down with you. Thank you for answering all the questions
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: of the behind the scenes of The Golden but also
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: giving your input into what we're seeing currently on the Goldens.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: We wish you the best. We hope that you and
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Chop can do many more New York City tours together.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And next time, if we're there at the same time,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: please message us and tell us you're there. I will
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: if it's not like a, hey, we haven't seen each
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: other in a couple months, we just need our own
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: time kind of trip.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: We would have loved to see you. I will definitely
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: do that next time.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Joan, You're the best. Until next time, I've been, Ben,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I've been, Joan, see you later.
• 48:41
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• 48:45
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