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Domonique Foxworth on if Is Wemby NBA’s Next Villain? + Jalen Brunson’s New York Takeover | 06.17 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kravitz.
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Speaker 1: Donnie Fossberg, what's going on?
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Speaker 2: Not much. You did have Charlie on at some point.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: He hasn't accepted that he is like a personality now.
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Speaker 2: But like people care about what he got to say.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's why I can't have him on because
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Speaker 1: be like, all right, I know we're going to get
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Speaker 1: to this later, but hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. If
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Speaker 1: you got to say but, you need to not do this.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? We can't have two people
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Speaker 1: drive Mr. Jesse Rob in this track.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need my hands on the steering wheel.
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Speaker 2: I'm along for the ride. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Nah, man, it's been a lot here going on. We're
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Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about the soccer ball.
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Speaker 1: We might get to Brendan Sorsby. Cats out here passing
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Speaker 1: bad checks. But actually, I just saw a number, and
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Speaker 1: I have not warned you about this at all, but
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Speaker 1: I never do, so it's okay. The numbers are in,
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Speaker 1: at least the numbers they've given us, and they're telling
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Speaker 1: us that these were the most watched NBA finals since 1998,
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Speaker 1: and that Game 5 peaked at 33 million viewers. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what exactly viewer means, right? I don't
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Speaker 1: know exactly how they compiled these statistics because they've done
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Speaker 1: a lot of changes that have affected this, but isn't
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Speaker 1: it amazing? how the biggest city in America gets into
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Speaker 1: the NBA finals and suddenly everything feels like it's back
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Speaker 1: or at least that's the story and it becomes your
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Speaker 1: friendly reminder. You know something that was going on when
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Speaker 1: the Bulls were killing it? The third largest city in
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Speaker 1: America had the best basketball team. And then you know
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Speaker 1: what happened after that? The second largest city in America
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Speaker 1: had the best basketball team. You know what hasn't happened
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Speaker 1: in 50 years? the biggest city in America had the
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Speaker 1: basketball team.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, and the Knicks, I mean, the Bulls going
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Speaker 3: through the Knicks, I imagine those were pretty popular series
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Speaker 3: back in the day. I think you're probably right about
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Speaker 3: the way we're calculating these things, but it doesn't really matter.
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Speaker 2: We know this was fucking huge. We all know it
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Speaker 2: was huge. We experienced it. It was incredible.
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Speaker 3: It felt like 2016, I guess, like those LeBron and...
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Speaker 3: Golden State series those felt like huge in this way
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Speaker 3: where everyone had to be there but this to me
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Speaker 3: honestly felt a little bigger and it was pretty cool
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Speaker 3: the way that it was kind of a vibe shift
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Speaker 3: around the NBA it felt like a lot of us
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Speaker 3: were down on the NBA and the fouls and all
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Speaker 3: that stuff and then The finals happened.
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Speaker 2: We all forgot. He just fell in love again.
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Speaker 1: So I think a few things happened because it's difficult
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Speaker 1: for me to gauge the magnitude of these finals because
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Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
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Speaker 1: Like I don't, I don't know what it would have
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Speaker 1: had to happen for the Knicks to be this far.
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Speaker 1: It did not seem like the biggest thing that had
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Speaker 1: ever happened in the history of mankind.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Because I am in the epicenter of the people who
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Speaker 1: care the most.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: 100% about this. But. Playoff basketball, I would say, felt
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Speaker 1: like a return to what a lot of people say
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Speaker 1: they wanted, which is a bit more physicality to start, right? Now,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the brand of physicality that I want. I
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Speaker 1: want hard fouls. I just don't, I don't want people
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Speaker 1: simply mucking it up, right? Like make it a little difficult, okay? No,
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Speaker 1: I want people to be scared, right? I want people
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Speaker 1: shooting mid-range jump shots because what's waiting on you in
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Speaker 1: there is a clothesline. That's part of why the mid-range
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Speaker 1: jumper went away is because it's a little too safe
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Speaker 1: down there in the paint. But when it was rough, rugged,
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Speaker 1: and raw, Katz was like, oh, let me stop right here.
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Speaker 1: Get this J as I can get it, right?
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Speaker 2: They don't, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they are pretty, like, loosey-goosey with the flagrers.
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Speaker 3: They don't want that back. But they let you grab
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Speaker 3: and push. They let you do all types of stuff.
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Speaker 3: And I know Wimby got away with a head mush
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Speaker 3: and some stuff like that. But generally, the stuff that
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Speaker 3: they think is going to lead to a fight, They
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Speaker 3: ain't got time for that.
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Speaker 1: But these boys ain't going to fight. That's the other part, too. Like,
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Speaker 1: you need to recognize that we got to, you know,
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Speaker 1: these boys too scared to fight now. We got a
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Speaker 1: long way to go before anybody actually starts fighting.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I would say that they, the
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Speaker 3: reason why they don't fight is because the NBA has
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Speaker 3: handled the business the way they handle it. You think
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Speaker 3: that they wouldn't actually fight? I think they make the
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Speaker 3: decision not to fight.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that they have legislated fighting out so much
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Speaker 1: that these dudes are conditioned not to fight, that there
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Speaker 1: will be a lag. before they actually get to the
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Speaker 1: point that they're going to be out here. We got
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Speaker 1: a little while that you can allow this to happen.
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Speaker 1: And I can tell you, these boys probably can't fight,
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Speaker 1: so ain't nobody really going to get hurt. I forget
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Speaker 1: what series that was. Maurice Lucas got into a fight
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Speaker 1: with somebody way back in the day. And it reminded
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Speaker 1: you it was a different time because them cats just
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Speaker 1: looked at each other. And this is back when everybody's
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Speaker 1: daddy went to the army. So they just looked at
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Speaker 1: each other and they squared up like they was in.
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Speaker 1: They put up their dukes because don't nobody put up
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Speaker 1: their dukes no more, right? They had their dukes up
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Speaker 1: and they was ready to go because everybody had like
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Speaker 1: a standard fighting technique that your daddy had taught you.
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Speaker 1: And now at this point, that's not really like what...
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Speaker 1: That's not what they do.
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Speaker 3: Do daddies still do that? Because like my dad definitely
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Speaker 3: taught me how to throw a punch. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I mean... I mean, you a daddy?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I taught my son and my daughters how to
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Speaker 3: ball up your fist. Like, just important to know, don't
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Speaker 3: put your thumb in. Like, I feel like this happened
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Speaker 3: with both my daughters is they put their thumb in.
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Speaker 3: They're like, nah, I hope you never have to throw
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Speaker 3: a punch. You probably will never have to throw a punch, but, like,
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Speaker 3: if it happened, I'm going to need you to be able, like,
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Speaker 3: it feels like something, like, fundamental about being a person
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Speaker 3: is you have to be able to do that.
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Speaker 2: And I never been in, like, it feels like, women
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Speaker 2: fights involve the hair. It's a strategic thing that I
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Speaker 2: don't know how to advise for that. Cause I ain't
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Speaker 2: never been in one.
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Speaker 1: Well, as David way, it's at that routine, right? Where
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Speaker 1: you talked about how big fight to look good girls
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Speaker 1: fight to win. Right. And so he said he fought
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Speaker 1: this girl and he was in what grade or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And he was out here doing his Muhammad Ali or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Do, do, do.
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Speaker 1: And she came in with the windmill. Oh, and it
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Speaker 1: was just like, hey, hey, hey, hey, there's nothing to
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Speaker 1: be done. Now, stakes are way higher with women fight
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Speaker 1: because also like how women look in the fight is
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Speaker 1: much less of a discussion. There's much less of an
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Speaker 1: evaluation of technique by the onlookers and discussions about whether
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Speaker 1: or not you had done this very often.
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Speaker 2: I never considered that, but you're right.
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Speaker 3: You could win a fight as a man, but if
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Speaker 3: you like kicking and doing some cap cap aware, like.
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Speaker 2: People that you better do it right. It's like shooting
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Speaker 2: underhand free throws. I don't care if you 90%. I
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Speaker 2: ain't shooting them like that. I'd rather lose.
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Speaker 3: I'd rather shoot 75% than be out here trying to
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Speaker 3: try to karate kick.
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Speaker 1: That's right. That, that, that is what gets them. But
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Speaker 1: I would say something else. Another thing I think was
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Speaker 1: important about these finals in terms of like generating interest, um,
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Speaker 1: We had an actual factual star. Yeah. Right? Now, it's
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Speaker 1: interesting kind of the Victor Wynn-Banyama backlash that has become,
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Speaker 1: which I really think is in large part a social
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Speaker 1: media phenomenon because... It's lather, rinse, repeat on how these
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Speaker 1: things go, right? Like somebody lost, that means they are whack, terrible,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, da-da-da, you know, and everything goes. Look,
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Speaker 1: the Spurs messed up and they built a team that
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Speaker 1: did not have anybody to be any sort of enforcer.
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Speaker 1: And so this dude had to go out here and
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Speaker 1: enforce for himself. And I don't have nearly the problem
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Speaker 1: with it. But I did not come away from this.
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Speaker 1: People talk about him like he Rick Mahor coming out
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Speaker 1: of this series. And I was just like, do you
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Speaker 1: really think this has been that dirty or has everything
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Speaker 1: been watered down to a place that this this is
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Speaker 1: the guy that you think is that dude?
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Speaker 2: We are on the same damn page, man.
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Speaker 3: And I I venture to say not only did I
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Speaker 3: not have a problem with it.
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Speaker 2: I gotta fuck with it.
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Speaker 3: I didn't like him pushing Jalen Brunson in the head,
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Speaker 3: but the way that I saw it was, all right,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to complain to the refs, which he did.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to throw my arms up because they was
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Speaker 3: grabbing him. They was fouling him up. They was doing
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Speaker 3: all types of stuff to make his life difficult. They
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Speaker 3: was hacking him anytime he tried to do alley-oop. I'm
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Speaker 3: going to throw my hands up to the refs. All right,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to look to see where my power forward
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Speaker 3: is to take care of this. Okay, I don't got one.
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Speaker 3: All right, you know what I'm not going to do?
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to back down. And I know in
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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, he stayed away from the paint a
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Speaker 3: little bit. But, like, I'm going to fight. And this was, like,
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Speaker 3: one of the conversations we had afterwards where it's like
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Speaker 3: there's something, and people try to compare it to 2011
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Speaker 3: LeBron where he kind of, like, receded. And my point was, like,
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Speaker 3: what I saw was what I liked. Like, it didn't
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Speaker 3: turn out well. He was exhausted. But what I saw
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Speaker 3: was a man that was, like.
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Speaker 2: No, fuck that.
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Speaker 3: I'm going back in there. Every time I'm a fight,
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Speaker 3: I'm be sloppy. I'm a miss free throws and turn
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Speaker 3: the ball over. I may be like fatigued at the
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Speaker 3: end of the games, but like, At 22 years old,
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Speaker 3: I came.
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Speaker 2: Away with this shit kind of impressed by him, and
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Speaker 2: I know he choked.
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Speaker 1: But I didn't think he receded. I thought the only
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Speaker 1: time I felt like it started to feel like choking
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Speaker 1: was at the end of game five when none of
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Speaker 1: those guys wanted a shot. And I view choking a
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Speaker 1: little differently than most people. In individual sports, we treat
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Speaker 1: it much differently because everybody chokes and there's nowhere to hide.
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Speaker 1: You've seen Serena Williams choke. You've seen Tiger Woods choke.
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Speaker 1: Anybody worth a damn at an individual sport, you have watched.
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Speaker 1: choke because it happens sometimes where your mind comes away
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Speaker 1: from you, betrays you, whatever it is. It's not that crazy.
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Speaker 1: We've seen Kobe Bryant airball the free throws. We've seen
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Speaker 1: like we've seen dudes do a million things in the
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Speaker 1: course of the moment. He played very well, I thought,
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Speaker 1: in that series. I don't think that you can look
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Speaker 1: at the numbers and say he didn't. I said game four.
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Speaker 1: What gets lost in it is he made two huge
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Speaker 1: defensive plays at the end. One of them was the
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Speaker 1: block that set up De'Aaron Fox to, you know, ruin
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Speaker 1: his reputation in front of everybody. He played great defense
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Speaker 1: on Jalen Brunson. When Jalen Brunson missed the shot and
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Speaker 1: then OG came in because De'Aaron Fox did not feel
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Speaker 1: like boxing anymore. And it's a real, real, real tough
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Speaker 1: go for De'Aaron Fox. Like, this was, it's amazing. People
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Speaker 1: are like, they got to trade him.
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Speaker 2: One, they're not.
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Speaker 1: Number two, the reason you think they need to trade him,
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Speaker 1: you think somebody was like, ooh, give me some of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that.
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Speaker 3: You're going to have to staple something on to it
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Speaker 3: at that point. You can't be giving away these assets
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Speaker 3: in that way. But yeah, there's obviously fair criticism of
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Speaker 3: Wimby in this series, but I ultimately thought similar to you.
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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, he He played really well, all things considered.
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Speaker 3: And what it looked like was, and I think sometimes
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Speaker 3: we fall into these traps where we want to fall in,
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Speaker 3: or we go with these easy tropes, and I run
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Speaker 3: the risk of doing this now where it's about age.
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Speaker 3: But it did feel like every game he came out,
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Speaker 3: and they started fast. Every game, it just felt like,
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Speaker 3: a damn wild teenager out there. I was like, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to beat these motherfuckers right now. Yes. And then
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Speaker 3: they get to the end of the game and it's like,
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Speaker 3: you learn that. You watch Jalen Brunson in the course
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Speaker 3: of this. It's like, all right, he like measured. And
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Speaker 3: then that first quarter energy that set the tone energy
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Speaker 3: that Wimby was bringing, Jalen was bringing in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 2: So I think that's part of it too.
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Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson became like guy you must respect in this. Look,
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Speaker 1: he put up 45 in the game with her. And
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Speaker 1: I think the part that makes it tricky is His,
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Speaker 1: I'm doing this, he just does it. It's not really
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Speaker 1: that much fun to watch, right? He does not look
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Speaker 1: to be an exceptional talent, but as I keep saying,
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Speaker 1: none of that matters. What matters is to actually get
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Speaker 1: it done part. That's why when people start getting into, well,
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Speaker 1: is he the best player in the NBA? I'm like, man,
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Speaker 1: let's not even do that, right? It doesn't matter. He
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Speaker 1: just did the thing, but what he is not is
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Speaker 1: a guy who engenders polarizing opinions, right? There are short
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Speaker 1: people that love him like family and then regular sized
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Speaker 1: people who respect him.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Like that's what we wind up having. Victor, however, we
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Speaker 1: got that kind of star now where people came out
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Speaker 1: of that with strong opinions one way or another. He's
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Speaker 1: the guy that you have to come see. I think
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Speaker 1: the villain part was almost inevitable just because the Will
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Speaker 1: Chamberlain line, nobody roots for Goliath, but I never felt
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Speaker 1: like Shaq was a person that people disliked for whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: The reason that I think that Victor gets so polarized,
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Speaker 1: and if we may be frank, people don't like it
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Speaker 1: when they look at somebody and look at him and
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Speaker 1: be like, damn, he might be better than me. I
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Speaker 1: don't mean better than you at basketball. I mean better
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Speaker 1: than you at being. I'm curious if you think I'm
13:19
Speaker 1: tripping on this part, as you and I are both
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Speaker 1: men of what I would consider to be healthy levels
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Speaker 1: of confidence. And I don't mean healthy as a euphemism.
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Speaker 1: I mean, healthy as it is in the dictionary. After
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Speaker 1: a loss with a guy like him, and it was
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Speaker 1: the same thing with LeBron in 2011, they don't want
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Speaker 1: you humbled. They want you humiliated. They want you up
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Speaker 1: there looking defeated. looking like you're ready to cry about it,
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Speaker 1: everything else. And that's not what they got from him. Like,
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Speaker 1: I saw people calling him a sore loser. I didn't
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Speaker 1: say that at all. He was like, look, man, they
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Speaker 1: beat us at the margins. Like, Jalen Brunson, he is relentless.
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Speaker 1: He never stops. Like, I saw the credit go in
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Speaker 1: that direction. And then I realized, oh. Y'all just want
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Speaker 1: this man to look battered. And he's not going to
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Speaker 1: give you that. He about to go up in the mountains,
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Speaker 1: do some goddamn Tai Chi or something else like that.
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Speaker 1: Who knows what he's going to come back and look at.
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Speaker 1: But he almost got too much perspective. Like people, people
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Speaker 1: don't want somebody that knows how to handle adversity in
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Speaker 1: a positive way. They want somebody who cry when they
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Speaker 1: read tweets.
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Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't read your tweets. What are
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Speaker 2: you talking about?
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Speaker 3: It is amazing for somebody that age. Like, imagine, you
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Speaker 3: could use athletes or an average 22-year-old.
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Speaker 2: Like, it's clear. He said, what he did.
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Speaker 3: It's just so funny because after they won that series,
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Speaker 3: he was like, championships are all that matters to me. Like,
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Speaker 3: this is the reason why I'm on this earth. And
14:51
Speaker 3: he gives everybody the stuff that they want. And it's like,
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Speaker 3: he's not giving it to you because he knows you
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Speaker 3: want it, which I think a lot of athletes... are
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Speaker 3: giving you the thing that they think that you want.
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Speaker 3: And we like call it quarterback speak sometimes where they
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Speaker 3: just say, and like athletes are doing that. And there
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Speaker 3: was a time decades ago when we thought it was
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Speaker 3: genuine and maybe it was genuine. The hard thing now
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Speaker 3: is Victor seems to be the type of superstar that
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Speaker 3: is more talented than just about anybody we've ever seen.
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Speaker 3: And also gives us the genuine feedback. It doesn't sugarcoat it.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't play this game that he expects us to play. LeBron,
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Speaker 3: even though you pointed at time when he's like, I
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Speaker 3: got money, y'all don't, essentially.
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Speaker 1: They're great. He did not say that. That's what people heard.
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Speaker 2: Right, right. I know, I know, I know. But that's
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Speaker 2: the point. He said, you got to go back to
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Speaker 2: your life. Well, people were like, ugh, that sounds terrible. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's fine. I was like, my life's pretty good, LeBron.
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Speaker 2: Good luck next year, buddy.
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Speaker 3: It's how I felt. But I understand why people would
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Speaker 3: take it the other way. But I think that LeBron is...
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Speaker 3: been like super measured in the way that he talks
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Speaker 3: and saying the things you want to say. Victor hasn't
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Speaker 3: been that. And up until now, the things that he
16:02
Speaker 3: said are the things that we wanted to hear.
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Speaker 2: And they were true.
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Speaker 3: Now he's behaving in a way that some people don't
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Speaker 3: want to hear it. Like the whole handshake gate, like
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Speaker 3: all this stuff to me feels like we have constructed
16:12
Speaker 3: this factory that is meant to make a certain thing.
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Speaker 3: And no matter what we put in it, we go
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Speaker 3: put what's going to come out is this same kind
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Speaker 3: of track record that we do with these players where
16:23
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, you're going to be the best.
16:25
Speaker 3: You can't get over the hump.
16:27
Speaker 2: You are a villain. And then we're going to.
16:29
Speaker 3: Watch him come back up three, four, five years from now.
16:31
Speaker 3: We're going to be all singing Victor's praises.
16:33
Speaker 1: And give ourselves credit for it. Yeah.
16:38
Speaker 3: Right?
16:39
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you know, we gave that boy a little
16:41
Speaker 1: something to get over. I'll say this. Anthony Edwards completely
16:46
Speaker 1: changed the way I look at the handshake at the
16:49
Speaker 1: end of a series. And for those who didn't see it,
16:51
Speaker 1: you know, Edwards gave the handshake during the game. And
16:55
Speaker 1: everybody was like, oh, man, you quitting. They was taking
16:58
Speaker 1: him out the game. The quitting had already taken place.
17:03
Speaker 1: That was a post-quit move as opposed to a pre-quit move.
17:07
Speaker 1: But what he said, I saw some clip where he's
17:10
Speaker 1: hanging around the crib with his partners. And what he
17:12
Speaker 1: said was, he was like, look, man, the end of
17:14
Speaker 1: the series, everybody jumping up and down and all of
17:17
Speaker 1: this stuff. He's like, man, ain't nobody got no time
17:20
Speaker 1: to be out here doing all this. Then I got in,
17:22
Speaker 1: I did it when the time was, gave them the
17:24
Speaker 1: respect they deserve. And then I rolled out. The Knicks
17:28
Speaker 1: about to be jumping up and down and doing all.
17:30
Speaker 2: Of this stuff. Oh man, y'all got it.
17:33
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll holler at you later. But right now, like
17:35
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson went over there to dap him up. That
17:38
Speaker 1: was very nice of him, right? But I don't think
17:40
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson's feelings were hurt. that the dude walked away.
17:43
Speaker 1: We just need something. Like we got to feed the
17:46
Speaker 1: beast of the machine.
17:48
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I, I mean, that's the way I
17:50
Speaker 2: felt about it. And like, I don't know.
17:52
Speaker 3: It's funny because I want to say that it's not,
17:54
Speaker 3: it's an, it's a non-issue. These things are non-issues, but
17:57
Speaker 3: I do think that we can turn things that are
17:59
Speaker 3: non-issues into like issues because we talk about it. And like,
18:03
Speaker 3: we have to talk, the series ended and something unique happened.
18:07
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards goes and shakes their hands before the game
18:09
Speaker 3: is over. People actually had a problem with that. Had
18:12
Speaker 3: he not shaken their hand. So it's like, there is
18:15
Speaker 3: a 10 minute period. That is the perfect time to
18:18
Speaker 3: shake their hand.
18:19
Speaker 1: Like they, I.
18:20
Speaker 3: Don't remember what they were down, but they were down
18:22
Speaker 3: by enough. They were losing by a zillion points. His
18:24
Speaker 3: coach was like, nah, everybody sit down. Hey, guys are
18:28
Speaker 3: into the bench. Who I call by their number, not
18:31
Speaker 3: their name. Go ahead in there.
18:33
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm going to go. Yeah.
18:35
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, you can't do that. You also
18:37
Speaker 3: can't do it back in the back of the locker room.
18:39
Speaker 3: You got to do it where we can see it
18:41
Speaker 3: right after. It just feels like you're making it up.
18:43
Speaker 3: And then the stuff with Victor is, I don't know.
18:46
Speaker 3: Of course, you're raising kids to play sports. You're like, yeah,
18:49
Speaker 3: be a good sport. Shake hands afterwards. But we had
18:53
Speaker 3: a game. It was two years ago. My son was
18:55
Speaker 3: talking trash. Got into it with a couple of guys.
18:58
Speaker 3: They like pushing each other on the field.
19:01
Speaker 2: Don't go over there and shake his hand because you're
19:02
Speaker 2: not calm.
19:03
Speaker 3: Yeah. Cause I don't, I don't, I don't want to
19:05
Speaker 3: do that. Like we, when you feel, if you feel
19:08
Speaker 3: up to it, go shake his head. Don't put yourself
19:10
Speaker 3: in that situation. And maybe that's how victims think. Now
19:12
Speaker 3: I do think there's something to the idea of a
19:15
Speaker 3: get your snap, snap.
19:18
Speaker 1: Out of it.
19:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:19
Speaker 1: Handle this right. Like, I think there's a lesson in
19:21
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you doing things you don't feel like, right.
19:24
Speaker 1: I do think that there is a lesson in that.
19:26
Speaker 1: I also think that at the NBA point, we're kind
19:29
Speaker 1: of past the lesson teaching point in some ways. Like
19:32
Speaker 1: I think, I just think there's a different set of
19:33
Speaker 1: circumstances that you deal with. Because the other part too,
19:37
Speaker 1: when you shake hands in youth games, you make everybody
19:39
Speaker 1: get in line. It is a group endeavor. In the
19:41
Speaker 1: other stuff, it is like, all right, everybody kind of
19:44
Speaker 1: get in where you fit in and get it going.
19:46
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this about the Knicks too.
19:48
Speaker 1: People say, I've had people tell me they don't think
19:50
Speaker 1: I'm giving the Knicks enough credit. And I just don't
19:51
Speaker 1: know how much credit you think I'm supposed to give
19:53
Speaker 1: the Knicks. Like, I feel like I've given the Knicks
19:55
Speaker 1: quite a lot of credit in the run of this, right?
19:58
Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to the show. It seemed like
19:59
Speaker 1: you gave him credit. I don't know where you undercutting
20:02
Speaker 1: the Knicks. They won the championship. It was pretty impressive.
20:05
Speaker 1: But I thought a couple of things in watching this.
20:08
Speaker 1: And now we're in the aftermath of it, which I
20:09
Speaker 1: think is the fun. The analysis of the series has
20:11
Speaker 1: obviously been done. The biggest winners from a championship. It's
20:16
Speaker 1: not quite Jalen Brunson, who was already at a certain
20:19
Speaker 1: legend status where I don't think New York was going
20:22
Speaker 1: to hold it against Jalen Brunson if they did not
20:24
Speaker 1: win a championship. Right. They do hold it against Patrick
20:27
Speaker 1: Ewing in some ways, but I did not think they
20:30
Speaker 1: were going to hold it against Brunson because it was
20:31
Speaker 1: such a pleasant surprise, you know, and everything that came
20:34
Speaker 1: with it. Now, the biggest winners from any championship are
20:37
Speaker 1: dudes like three through 12 on the bench. Because they
20:43
Speaker 1: get to be somebody in ways that nobody ever expected.
20:47
Speaker 1: Mikael Bridges, these people have been calling him soft and
20:50
Speaker 1: talking about how scared he was of the shots. They
20:53
Speaker 1: had to take him out in game four for Jose Alvarado. Bro,
20:57
Speaker 1: I was watching the soccer bowl the other day. It
20:59
Speaker 1: was the French and Senegal game. They put Bridges on
21:01
Speaker 1: the screen. He got an ovation from the bar. I
21:05
Speaker 1: don't even know how many people in the bar was
21:06
Speaker 1: from America. He got an ovation from the bar. Alvarado,
21:10
Speaker 1: I said it as soon as that game was over,
21:12
Speaker 1: Alvarado going to go to that Puerto Rico Day Parade.
21:14
Speaker 1: He went to the Brooklyn one because he from down there.
21:16
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, baby, you the king. All those cats, man,
21:19
Speaker 1: they living the life.
21:23
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. In New York City?
21:26
Speaker 3: I think that 20 years from now, maybe people won't
21:31
Speaker 3: recognize Alvarado some of those guys, except for when they're
21:35
Speaker 3: at the garden and they put them on the screen
21:37
Speaker 3: and they won't necessarily get the same like appreciation. Of course,
21:42
Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson is on Jeter status now, where it's like,
21:46
Speaker 3: no matter what he do for the rest of his,
21:48
Speaker 3: his life in New York city, he won't pay for nothing. Like,
21:51
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to put into words how
21:54
Speaker 3: incredible it's going to be for him forever because 20,
21:57
Speaker 3: 30 years from now, Jalen Brunson is still going to
21:59
Speaker 3: be the one guy that brought this city a title.
22:02
Speaker 1: But there's another level. He be going to the temple.
22:13
Speaker 1: He got his wife. I saw somewhere somebody in Westchester
22:16
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, they know him as like, oh, the
22:19
Speaker 1: dude from Temple. So he bringing worlds together. You know
22:23
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? He gonna fuck around and have a
22:25
Speaker 1: hooping ass Lenny Kravitz out here too, right? And then
22:28
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a whole nother situation. So yeah, like....
22:33
Speaker 2: Jalen got it figured out, man. They got it good.
22:35
Speaker 2: He's living the life.
22:36
Speaker 1: Look, you know how good it was going to be
22:37
Speaker 1: for them in New York where after the championship, they
22:40
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, let's go to Vegas. Oh, let's
22:42
Speaker 1: go to Miami. They was like, no, let's get back.
22:45
Speaker 2: To the shack. They ain't waiting on us. To be fair, I.
22:50
Speaker 3: Don't know how to put this in a way that
22:52
Speaker 3: don't sound crazy, but I think you'll understand and maybe
22:54
Speaker 3: you'll disagree.
22:56
Speaker 2: New York has the best everything.
22:59
Speaker 1: It's got the best everything.
23:00
Speaker 2: It's just you can't afford it. Yes.
23:03
Speaker 3: So, like, Vegas has the greatest parties that you can afford.
23:09
Speaker 2: Yes. Right? That you can get into. That's the thing.
23:13
Speaker 2: And people don't know. And I'm not saying you like everybody.
23:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Me.
23:17
Speaker 2: I'm including me, too.
23:19
Speaker 3: Like, a couple times I stumbled into one of these
23:21
Speaker 3: New York parties or somebody told me about it.
23:24
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no.
23:25
Speaker 2: I've lived some good times, had some good fun. Like,
23:28
Speaker 2: New York in America?
23:29
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:29
Speaker 2: New York got the best.
23:31
Speaker 3: Everything you want, no matter what you think, that you
23:35
Speaker 3: can get something better somewhere else.
23:37
Speaker 2: I don't care if it was originated there. Right. It's
23:40
Speaker 2: better in New York. You just don't know how to
23:42
Speaker 2: get it.
23:43
Speaker 3: And so if you are a guy in New York
23:45
Speaker 3: that can get in all the doors, never, ever leave Manhattan, sir.
23:50
Speaker 1: It's eight million people who can't wait to see you. Right?
23:55
Speaker 1: 8 million people who cannot wait to see you. They've
23:58
Speaker 1: been doing this.
23:59
Speaker 3: Sorry, let me cut you off. Can I ask you
24:01
Speaker 3: this question? What do you think his persona and reach
24:09
Speaker 3: and access is worth? Put his contract aside. Now what
24:14
Speaker 3: he has access to, if you could sell it, he
24:18
Speaker 3: could get into.
24:20
Speaker 2: whatever business deals in New York that he's interested in.
24:23
Speaker 3: He'd get into every club, every restaurant, get into movies
24:27
Speaker 3: and TV shows.
24:28
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the limit is.
24:30
Speaker 3: If this was for sale, what do you think somebody
24:32
Speaker 3: would pay to be able to, from now on, be
24:35
Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson?
24:36
Speaker 1: There's no room that he cannot get into, right? So
24:41
Speaker 1: I'll give this, I think I've talked about this before here,
24:43
Speaker 1: but I'll give this example. I got a buddy of
24:45
Speaker 1: mine who, and this is a thing that happens kind
24:48
Speaker 1: of in New York places, people who know people like connectors, right?
24:51
Speaker 1: There are people who are able to link people. Worldwide
24:54
Speaker 1: West is a great example of a connector, but that's
24:56
Speaker 1: a different discussion. And they'll just sometimes put together dinners
25:00
Speaker 1: with people at the dinners. And so I went to
25:03
Speaker 1: one of these dinners. I'm sitting across the table from
25:06
Speaker 1: Ty Ty, Jay-Z's man, right? J.J. Reddick's before he became
25:11
Speaker 1: the coach. J.J. Reddick in there. I look over. Kevin
25:13
Speaker 1: Love's over there in this corner. I don't even recognize
25:18
Speaker 1: half the people. Jimmy Fallon came in in the middle
25:20
Speaker 1: of the meal, right? My guy Koppelman was there. We
25:23
Speaker 1: were there. And this one guy walks in and they're like, oh,
25:28
Speaker 1: it's DJ D. Saul. I'm like, what are you talking about?
25:30
Speaker 1: That white man don't look like no DJ. This is
25:32
Speaker 1: a balding white man in a polo and khakis. Dominique
25:36
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about. Man's name is David Solomon.
25:39
Speaker 1: He's the CEO of Goldman Sachs. I'm talking to this
25:42
Speaker 1: other dude and I ask him what he does. And
25:44
Speaker 1: he's like, takes a pause and he goes, well, I
25:47
Speaker 1: started Chipotle. OK, and I'm watching as like some political
25:52
Speaker 1: deal was made around like with Chipotle sending stuff somewhere
25:56
Speaker 1: like I'm watching all these things that are happening in
25:58
Speaker 1: this room. And all I'm saying is I got in
26:00
Speaker 1: that room, which means that there's another room that I
26:04
Speaker 1: have no chance of getting into. And there is no
26:09
Speaker 1: such thing as a room that Jalen Brunson. cannot get into.
26:14
Speaker 1: And there's so much money in the city. We did
26:16
Speaker 1: an interview with Tracy Morgan for Game Theory. And it's
26:19
Speaker 1: always interesting to hear New Yorkers talk about New York,
26:22
Speaker 1: especially like guys who grew up poor. And I say
26:25
Speaker 1: that specifically with him because he was like, no, man,
26:28
Speaker 1: you go, you point right down there. He's pointing is
26:31
Speaker 1: like all the money in the world is right down there.
26:34
Speaker 1: You just got to figure out how to go get it.
26:37
Speaker 2: Right.
26:37
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing about the proximity of New York
26:39
Speaker 1: to catch it here. It's just like everything is accessible.
26:41
Speaker 1: And it's like, if I can just figure out how
26:44
Speaker 1: to get there, I can get a hold of all
26:46
Speaker 1: of it. Jalen Brunson ain't got to figure out shit.
26:49
Speaker 2: Forget the rooms.
26:51
Speaker 3: I just realized that just about anybody, he could say,
26:57
Speaker 3: come to me today and they'd be thrilled.
27:01
Speaker 2: They will post a picture.
27:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:04
Speaker 2: That man could get in on any IPO he want
27:06
Speaker 2: right now.
27:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:08
Speaker 2: He's just like, hey, let me get a piece of that.
27:10
Speaker 1: He ain't even got to give him no money.
27:12
Speaker 2: Let me get a piece of that. Put my name
27:13
Speaker 2: on that.
27:14
Speaker 1: No, that's the thing about these famous cats with these
27:16
Speaker 1: IPOs or whatever. They just go in and they get
27:18
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27:23
Speaker 3: There's a business here where somebody be like, hey, if
27:26
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27:30
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27:34
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27:37
Speaker 3: period of time where he got the golden ticket. It's
27:40
Speaker 3: a long period, but he got the golden ticket. He
27:43
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27:45
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27:46
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27:48
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Speaker 2: It's Jim Dolan.
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Speaker 1: Jim Dolan, like I said, Jalen Brunson has moved up
33:10
Speaker 1: a tick from where he was already, right? Like he
33:12
Speaker 1: was going to be New York Knicks legend and that
33:14
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33:17
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33:21
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33:24
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33:29
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Speaker 1: Dolan has got on that orange spoke sport coat And
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33:46
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Speaker 1: to the fans of New York, I'm sorry it took
33:59
Speaker 1: so long, but it won't, you know, we'll do it again.
34:02
Speaker 1: But as I watched him, I was like, He is
34:04
Speaker 1: just as happy as every other Knicks fan. I've never
34:07
Speaker 1: seen an owner look happier, like as though he was
34:10
Speaker 1: part of it. But Dolan made some moves. I think
34:13
Speaker 1: Dolan deserves a little more credit for this team than
34:15
Speaker 1: people want to give him credit for. But he looked
34:18
Speaker 1: so happy in that moment. It was the first time
34:21
Speaker 1: I had ever considered that Jim Dolan was a human being.
34:24
Speaker 1: And then after that, they started sending around that video
34:27
Speaker 1: of him giving the sacrifice speech that I thought was
34:30
Speaker 1: pretty mediocre. And it's definitely not some shit I want
34:33
Speaker 1: to hear from Jim Dolan. But people were like, wow,
34:36
Speaker 1: that was a really good speech. Like he did the thing.
34:40
Speaker 1: He he did the thing. He made bold moves along
34:44
Speaker 1: the way to do the thing. you say everything you
34:46
Speaker 1: want about the CAA association that the Knicks have as
34:49
Speaker 1: a franchise and Dolan, but he hired that CAA guy
34:52
Speaker 1: who brought in the, he brought in his client's kid.
34:56
Speaker 1: Who's represented by the general manager. It's really weird. What's
35:00
Speaker 1: going on with all of that. But the bottom line
35:02
Speaker 1: is all that Dolan stuff kind of came together and
35:05
Speaker 1: they won a championship.
35:08
Speaker 3: It is a reminder that in several cases, the ends
35:13
Speaker 3: justify the means.
35:14
Speaker 2: And, And we.
35:19
Speaker 3: Will create whatever mythology we want around you if you
35:22
Speaker 3: did the thing that we want you to do. If
35:24
Speaker 3: our last memory of you is you did the most amazing,
35:27
Speaker 3: exceptional thing, then we'll cook up all this other stuff
35:30
Speaker 3: and start to pretend like your sacrifice speech was fire.
35:34
Speaker 3: And all these other things. I'm not someone who... Obviously,
35:38
Speaker 3: nothing is always absolute. And the ends just by the
35:41
Speaker 3: means is not something that I stand by. But it
35:43
Speaker 3: is a reminder that If Michael Jordan never won the
35:46
Speaker 3: title and he act the way he act, we'd.
35:48
Speaker 2: Be like, that monster.
35:51
Speaker 3: If you get them goals, then people are like, oh,
35:54
Speaker 3: he's a fierce competitor.
35:56
Speaker 2: We figure it out.
35:57
Speaker 1: But I will say this also for Dolan. It was
36:00
Speaker 1: another moment where he looked really human. When he got
36:02
Speaker 1: to the end of that speech, there was kind of
36:04
Speaker 1: a look on his face. And I think what dawned
36:06
Speaker 1: on me was, He really did truly believe last year
36:10
Speaker 1: they had a team that was good enough to win
36:12
Speaker 1: a championship. And he looked at those guys this year
36:15
Speaker 1: in a way that the rest of us did not.
36:17
Speaker 1: And he really, truly believed this is the chance I've
36:21
Speaker 1: been waiting on for all these years in owning the team.
36:25
Speaker 1: And then it happened. Like, can you imagine what a
36:28
Speaker 1: good mood Jim Dolan has been in for the last
36:31
Speaker 1: like six, seven weeks? Like, when they were out here
36:35
Speaker 1: winning elimination games by 60 points? Yeah.
36:38
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was in a good mood, though.
36:40
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think he was in a bad mood.
36:41
Speaker 3: He was in a fine mood. But I feel like that's, like,
36:43
Speaker 3: just pressure building on him. Like, I don't know that
36:46
Speaker 3: he was enjoying it or relieved until just now.
36:48
Speaker 1: Because he's still a Knicks fan.
36:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like, you know this is going to
36:51
Speaker 3: go wrong at some point. And I think it's interesting
36:54
Speaker 3: that you said it reminds us that he's a human
36:56
Speaker 3: being because I think that's a good point. It's like,
36:57
Speaker 3: and I've been toying around with this idea about, like,
36:59
Speaker 3: how these people are characters to us a little bit.
37:02
Speaker 3: It's like, Yes, because we don't really hold in our
37:06
Speaker 3: head space for these like public people, especially in these
37:09
Speaker 3: like major dramas to be multiple different things.
37:11
Speaker 2: Like Jim Dolan was the villain.
37:13
Speaker 1: That's it.
37:14
Speaker 2: That's all he was. He's the villain.
37:15
Speaker 3: They win the championship. Now he had this like resurrection story.
37:19
Speaker 3: And I think the same is true for a lot
37:21
Speaker 3: of the characters in this. It's like and that's the
37:24
Speaker 3: same thing with Wimby. It's like you can't people can't
37:26
Speaker 3: really hold in their head to multiple things like, oh,
37:29
Speaker 3: he was a hero.
37:29
Speaker 2: Now he's a villain.
37:30
Speaker 1: Right. Now, I will say, the worst adult is still there.
37:33
Speaker 1: The facial recognition stuff.
37:34
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah.
37:34
Speaker 2: That's still there.
37:35
Speaker 1: The way they deal with media. All the other adult
37:37
Speaker 1: stuff is there.
37:38
Speaker 2: And you know what?
37:39
Speaker 1: Who's to say? He might flip up his whole steez. Like,
37:43
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the most delicate, politically correct way
37:49
Speaker 1: to put this. But you ever met somebody and all
37:54
Speaker 1: they needed was somebody?
37:57
Speaker 2: Yep.
37:58
Speaker 1: And then they get somebody. Yep. And then Everything changes.
38:02
Speaker 1: True story. I'll never forget this. I have a buddy
38:06
Speaker 1: who has a poor relationship with one of his siblings.
38:13
Speaker 1: And I witnessed it with my own eyes, right? It
38:17
Speaker 1: was not to heat. Relatable content for me. And I
38:20
Speaker 1: watched it and he and I talked about this and
38:23
Speaker 1: he was talking about how he always felt like his
38:25
Speaker 1: mom gave the sibling a little bit too much slack, right?
38:31
Speaker 1: And again, relatable content understood what he was talking about,
38:34
Speaker 1: but that sibling had had a very big change in
38:38
Speaker 1: their life. And the mom kept saying, you know, now
38:41
Speaker 1: that that's happened, I think everything is different.
38:45
Speaker 2: Right.
38:45
Speaker 1: And my man was like, really not trying to hear it.
38:48
Speaker 2: Okay.
38:48
Speaker 1: All of that. I went and talked to the sibling
38:53
Speaker 1: and I talked to the sibling for 90 seconds. And
38:57
Speaker 1: I came back to my friend and was like, Hey,
39:00
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about this more later, but your
39:02
Speaker 1: mother is a hundred percent correct. Everything is different. And
39:07
Speaker 1: it was, it was a, it was a big thing
39:08
Speaker 1: on that side.
39:09
Speaker 2: Right.
39:10
Speaker 1: But we really was like, there is an ease that
39:13
Speaker 1: has been created by this circumstance. Like everything is different.
39:17
Speaker 1: Who knows, man, Jim Dota might come around here and
39:19
Speaker 1: turn into daddy war bus.
39:20
Speaker 3: I mean, I think people say that often about like
39:23
Speaker 3: women after they have a, child. Well, maybe not often,
39:26
Speaker 3: but I've heard it. Women in my life, they had children.
39:28
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you're just like, you're just different now.
39:31
Speaker 1: Especially if it's been difficult. Yeah.
39:33
Speaker 3: And then you're just like, it changes. And I think
39:36
Speaker 3: that is Jim Dolan probably feels like that. There might
39:40
Speaker 3: be an opening for him to be less of the
39:43
Speaker 3: way that he is. And maybe he'll just experience this.
39:45
Speaker 2: Love and like it. Like, I don't know what drives
39:47
Speaker 2: him at this point.
39:48
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just going to be to just be happy
39:50
Speaker 3: and enjoy his Knicks championship.
39:53
Speaker 2: We can pray.
39:55
Speaker 1: Never mind that a prevailing theory that makes a lot
39:57
Speaker 1: of sense is part of why this has gone so
39:58
Speaker 1: well for the Knicks is that Dolan was a little
40:00
Speaker 1: bit too caught up with the sphere.
40:02
Speaker 2: Yep. Hands off, man.
40:04
Speaker 1: You got to say, man, the sphere, for Dolan to
40:06
Speaker 1: be an apparent moron, the sphere seems like a great
40:09
Speaker 1: idea that I want to go check out at some point.
40:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been wanting to check it out, too, and
40:14
Speaker 3: people around me are like, you got to go see it.
40:16
Speaker 3: And I look at the rundown, and it's like, They
40:18
Speaker 3: don't want me to come to the sphere. Yeah, they
40:22
Speaker 3: not having your type of acts. They ain't putting my
40:24
Speaker 3: kind of acts up there. When they start putting my
40:27
Speaker 3: kind of acts up there, maybe I go.
40:28
Speaker 2: Back out there.
40:29
Speaker 1: I don't want to see a concert at the sphere,
40:30
Speaker 1: but they have a movie that they run, and I
40:34
Speaker 1: would rather go see that. I go to concerts for music.
40:37
Speaker 2: Right.
40:37
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't need all them
40:38
Speaker 1: bells and whistles and distractions.
40:41
Speaker 2: I just.
40:42
Speaker 1: But I hear they got like... It's like Super IMAX?
40:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, cool.
40:47
Speaker 1: I could.
40:48
Speaker 2: I can run that.
40:48
Speaker 1: Maybe I see this right fast. It's going to change
40:50
Speaker 1: gears a little bit. The soccer bowl is going on.
40:55
Speaker 1: I imagine the soccer bowl has to be super cracking
40:57
Speaker 1: in D.C., especially. I bet y'all's Africans is having a
41:00
Speaker 1: great time.
41:01
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
41:02
Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty clear. People wear jerseys, so you
41:06
Speaker 3: can figure out pretty quickly where people are from. But
41:08
Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is, it don't matter if
41:12
Speaker 3: you're not.
41:13
Speaker 2: White, you cheer. It's intense.
41:18
Speaker 3: Fans of most of the non-white nations. And I don't
41:23
Speaker 3: know if it's like that everywhere, but it's like, you
41:25
Speaker 3: assume because somebody got on an Ivory Coast jersey and
41:28
Speaker 3: they got an accent that they might be from Ivory Coast.
41:30
Speaker 2: Nah. Don't start guessing. Don't start guessing. They just not white.
41:37
Speaker 2: That's what it goes.
41:37
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you the wild thing that happened
41:40
Speaker 1: up here in Harlem, USA. So for those of you
41:43
Speaker 1: who don't know, the Senegalese, they got them a stretch.
41:47
Speaker 1: 116th Street From Lennox to Frederick Douglass. That is theirs.
41:53
Speaker 1: The consulate is over there. They be outside all the time.
41:57
Speaker 1: They got all their restaurants, everything, right? So one of
42:01
Speaker 1: my buddies hits me and is like, yo, we're going
42:03
Speaker 1: to go down to 116th and watch the game. Let's go.
42:06
Speaker 2: I'm like, bet.
42:07
Speaker 1: Let's go. So we walked down. Brother, NYPD was blocking
42:11
Speaker 1: off the streets. You had to have a purpose to
42:15
Speaker 1: go down there and not just like, right. So but
42:17
Speaker 1: it was funny because one of my buddies, white dude
42:20
Speaker 1: was going to meet me down there. And he said, hey,
42:22
Speaker 1: just letting you know, man, they're trying to stop people
42:24
Speaker 1: coming on the street. He said, I just told him
42:27
Speaker 1: I was meeting friends and they let me go. But
42:28
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was because I was white.
42:30
Speaker 3: Right.
42:31
Speaker 1: And so I got down there. I said the same
42:33
Speaker 1: thing and they let us go. But it wasn't like
42:36
Speaker 1: it was the streets was full of people. I couldn't
42:38
Speaker 1: figure out what they were trying to do. So we
42:40
Speaker 1: went down. But the spot was a little bit too small.
42:42
Speaker 1: And so we decided, well, we'll go try spot on
42:44
Speaker 1: the next block. But they wouldn't let us on the
42:46
Speaker 1: next block. Like we was giving them that same same
42:48
Speaker 1: sad ass story. We gave them on the other block.
42:50
Speaker 1: They weren't going for it. You got a reservation. Let
42:52
Speaker 1: me see if you don't work here or you don't
42:54
Speaker 1: live here. Like, I don't know what they were afraid
42:56
Speaker 1: was going to happen. in the Senegalese part of town
42:59
Speaker 1: during this match. But NYPD, what's up Zoran? Have you
43:03
Speaker 1: heard about this? NYPD set up the barricades and they
43:07
Speaker 1: weren't letting people go. And it was really kind of
43:09
Speaker 1: messed up because not every Senegalese person lives on 116th.
43:14
Speaker 1: So if they were living on like 118th and they
43:16
Speaker 1: wanted to pull up, they weren't letting them show up.
43:19
Speaker 1: Like I didn't understand what it was. So we say, fine,
43:22
Speaker 1: we go to Harlem Tavern on 116th. Frederick Douglass, and
43:26
Speaker 1: we watched the match there because that is where the
43:28
Speaker 1: Senegalese fans wound up going, along with about three or
43:33
Speaker 1: four French fans who I contend were doing a terrible
43:38
Speaker 1: job of reading the room. and it was white, you
43:42
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And I don't know if they
43:44
Speaker 1: was from France. I don't know exactly. I don't know
43:47
Speaker 1: how they chose this location. Maybe they was tourists, and
43:49
Speaker 1: they didn't realize exactly what they were in. It was
43:52
Speaker 1: a fun place to be for the game, man, because
43:53
Speaker 1: when Senegal did anything, it was cool. But, you know,
43:57
Speaker 1: the French wound up winning. And I will be honest
43:59
Speaker 1: with you, when Mbappe hit that goal to put it
44:01
Speaker 1: up 3-1, that shit felt like running up the score, man. Like,
44:04
Speaker 1: it ain't even... They ain't even like, it just got
44:06
Speaker 1: the excitement. Woo. Senegal scored a goal. They had another goal.
44:10
Speaker 1: Take it away for an offside. Everything was cool. It
44:12
Speaker 1: was immediate. Mbappe. I don't know what word they got
44:15
Speaker 1: for people like him in French. You know what I'm saying? But,
44:19
Speaker 1: cause that, you know, cause that's real weird there. Like
44:22
Speaker 1: the Senegalese team is a bunch of French dudes. The
44:24
Speaker 1: French team has a bunch of Senegalese dudes. It's all
44:26
Speaker 1: over the place. But it was so interesting, cause as
44:29
Speaker 1: I'm walking out, this dude recognized me and was like,
44:32
Speaker 1: what team were you rooting for? You know how offended
44:34
Speaker 1: I was? That he asked me that question? It's France
44:38
Speaker 1: versus Senegal, and you're asking me who I'm rooting for?
44:41
Speaker 1: You think I'm rooting for oppression?
44:44
Speaker 2: You think I'm rooting for the colonizer? Yeah, yeah.
44:47
Speaker 1: What did you think? Now, when France plays Spain, I lay,
44:52
Speaker 1: lay blue.
44:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:54
Speaker 1: Oh, that was the other funny part. So after the
44:57
Speaker 1: game was over, it was a woman, and it was
44:59
Speaker 1: so confusing. She had on a Senegal t-shirt that said,
45:05
Speaker 1: the lions, I guess, right? Out of nowhere, she just
45:09
Speaker 1: starts singing. Man, them people at the bar turned around
45:16
Speaker 1: and looked at her. This one middle-aged woman looked at her.
45:19
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen daggers shoot at somebody like that.
45:23
Speaker 1: And then I looked and that woman had a handful
45:24
Speaker 1: of French flags. She was just trying to get that money, dog.
45:30
Speaker 2: But she almost got it. Yeah, I don't have I'm
45:35
Speaker 2: not that person.
45:36
Speaker 3: I know people when I went to the basketball game
45:38
Speaker 3: and Spencer Halls was there and by himself and with
45:42
Speaker 3: Spurs up on. celebrating in the middle of the crowd
45:45
Speaker 3: every time anything happened early in the game.
45:48
Speaker 2: I don't got that in me.
45:50
Speaker 3: If I'm going to a game and I'm rooting for
45:53
Speaker 3: the other team, I'm going to be chill. I don't
45:56
Speaker 3: get that impulse to be like, hey, everybody go into
45:59
Speaker 3: somebody's house.
46:00
Speaker 2: And act the ass. I don't have that in me.
46:02
Speaker 2: I don't know the type of people who do, but yeah.
46:05
Speaker 3: I know this one was selling flags, but those other people,
46:08
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and watch in my hotel room.
46:10
Speaker 1: No, I get the impulse. I get the desire. I
46:13
Speaker 1: just felt like you as a French man need to understand.
46:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, this ain't just a game.
46:18
Speaker 1: The stakes is a little high for this jibber-jabber that
46:20
Speaker 1: you're doing. I tell you this, though. I don't know
46:23
Speaker 1: if this happened to your social media feeds, but somebody
46:26
Speaker 1: on Tuesday decided, yeah, Tuesday, somebody decided you need Cape
46:33
Speaker 1: Verde content in your life. And it was just pumping
46:37
Speaker 1: me nonstop videos of Cape Verdean women at soccer matches.
46:42
Speaker 1: I got all of it, all of it, all of it.
46:44
Speaker 1: And if I had been in Atlanta and I had
46:48
Speaker 1: seen that in the morning, I'd have been on StubHub, SeatGeek,
46:52
Speaker 1: whichever one it was. I'd have caught the martyr down there.
46:56
Speaker 1: Like we got to say, like around New York, man,
46:58
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be here for most of it.
47:00
Speaker 1: It's time to start hitting them spots, man.
47:02
Speaker 3: That is definitely, I mean, and that's always a World
47:04
Speaker 3: Cup thing too. No matter who playing, they're going to
47:07
Speaker 3: find them.
47:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're going to find them. Yeah, I was, I
47:11
Speaker 2: got that same algorithm.
47:12
Speaker 3: I think it knows our age and race and sexual preference.
47:17
Speaker 2: It was like, I got you.
47:20
Speaker 1: Yo, but like if the soccer match is like when
47:23
Speaker 1: I don't, it appears to be a different archetype of person.
47:29
Speaker 1: now we're specifically talking about women here, but different archetype
47:31
Speaker 1: of people for all the different games. But like, there's
47:33
Speaker 1: a particular archetype of woman who goes to hockey games.
47:36
Speaker 1: And buddy, that's a sociological study all by itself, right?
47:41
Speaker 1: It is the football, it's basketball, it's all of it.
47:44
Speaker 1: The soccer just seems to be a little bit more fun,
47:46
Speaker 1: a little more sporty. I went to Columbia, Brazil in
47:50
Speaker 1: 2014 in Miami. And I think I told you, I
47:54
Speaker 1: didn't know they made jerseys that small.
47:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:59
Speaker 3: It's funny because I was talking to one of my
48:01
Speaker 3: homeboys and we were going to meet up to watch
48:04
Speaker 3: the USA game. And we're going to meet up at
48:08
Speaker 3: a bar to watch the first half, at least the
48:10
Speaker 3: USA game. And he said to me, what kind of
48:15
Speaker 3: women is going to be there? These beer drinkers. And
48:19
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what he meant. I was like, yeah,
48:22
Speaker 3: it's kind of a little low key. Yeah.
48:23
Speaker 2: It's going to be beer drinking women here.
48:25
Speaker 3: And it's not going to be like, vodka tequila drinking
48:29
Speaker 3: and he was like oh yeah I ain't trying to
48:30
Speaker 3: go there you got to pick a different spot he's
48:32
Speaker 3: single so he was like yeah I ain't messing because
48:34
Speaker 3: you said hockey I was like yeah there's beer drinkers.
48:38
Speaker 1: I will say this though and I could be wrong
48:40
Speaker 1: but anytime I've seen clips of like the men's national
48:43
Speaker 1: team going to play in any of these places um
48:48
Speaker 1: it's looking like a sausage party I don't feel like
48:51
Speaker 1: American soccer interest has gotten to the point where this
48:54
Speaker 1: is a place for women to get cute and have
48:56
Speaker 1: a good time Definitely not.
48:59
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I don't see it. I
49:03
Speaker 2: don't know.
49:03
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you probably know you do a
49:05
Speaker 3: lot of traveling, but the place that it holds in
49:08
Speaker 3: society and other places is so much more important. And
49:11
Speaker 3: as much as we love football, I don't even think
49:13
Speaker 3: for a lot of these soccer nations that our country
49:16
Speaker 3: loves football as much as as they love soccer and as,
49:21
Speaker 3: as ingrained as it is in the culture and society.
49:23
Speaker 2: It's like a thing. It reminds me a little bit.
49:26
Speaker 3: And again, you can speak better to this than me,
49:28
Speaker 3: but it reminds me of like Texas high school football.
49:31
Speaker 3: And like, it's, it's a part, it's like a real,
49:34
Speaker 3: sector of their lives in a way that sports isn't
49:37
Speaker 3: for us in America.
49:38
Speaker 1: Now, this is an amazing time to be in New
49:41
Speaker 1: York City. I know people are probably tired of hearing
49:42
Speaker 1: me say that, but the Knicks just won the championship,
49:45
Speaker 1: and then the World Cup energy is just all over
49:48
Speaker 1: the place. People hitting me up, one of my buddies
49:50
Speaker 1: is coming to town for the World Cup. He was like, yo,
49:52
Speaker 1: Brazil is everywhere. Right?
49:55
Speaker 2: Like, it is a, like, you.
49:57
Speaker 1: Go find a neighborhood, you go find a bar, you
49:59
Speaker 1: go find a spot or whatever it is. It's been
50:01
Speaker 1: some what we call perfect New York days where that
50:03
Speaker 1: weather been hitting just right. Like, this is a perfect
50:07
Speaker 1: confluence of circumstances right now for the entirety of the
50:10
Speaker 1: sporting world. Because the other thing about the Knicks winning
50:12
Speaker 1: the championship that is interesting, everybody seems happy for them.
50:17
Speaker 1: Except for like Celtics fans.
50:19
Speaker 2: Are they mad? I didn't know. I mean, there's a robbery.
50:22
Speaker 1: You know, there's a bit of a robbery that we
50:24
Speaker 1: don't think about because the Knicks been sorry. And quite honestly,
50:26
Speaker 1: the Celtics have been sorry for a long time, too.
50:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's been pretty universal.
50:31
Speaker 3: This this story, Jalen Brunson fits so perfectly into like
50:35
Speaker 3: this underdog story. like arc and people have all fallen
50:40
Speaker 3: in love with that team. When we did the thing
50:42
Speaker 3: to make it easy to root against them. And it's
50:44
Speaker 3: New York. Like, yeah, it feels like the whole country
50:46
Speaker 3: is on board, which is a unusual thing for New York.
50:48
Speaker 3: And I know you've made the point before about how
50:51
Speaker 3: it's the only basketball.
50:52
Speaker 2: Team in Manhattan. Yeah. And that's whatever, but.
50:56
Speaker 1: Like people like the nets need to just give it up.
50:59
Speaker 2: Pack it up guys.
51:01
Speaker 1: But you have to take the nets for what they are.
51:05
Speaker 1: And yeah, The Nets are an off-Broadway show, and if
51:12
Speaker 1: you would like to go see a show and you
51:14
Speaker 1: don't want to pay Broadway prices, then you go see
51:18
Speaker 1: the Nets. That's what the Clippers always were, especially Staples
51:22
Speaker 1: Center era Clippers. That's what they were. The Lakers, that
51:25
Speaker 1: cost a little too much money, but LeBron's in town.
51:27
Speaker 1: They're playing against the Clippers. Why don't you go pull up?
51:30
Speaker 2: And, you know, and.
51:32
Speaker 1: Check out the game like that's that's what the Nets are.
51:35
Speaker 1: But if they were ever going to get a hold
51:37
Speaker 1: of like an actual factual.
51:39
Speaker 2: Fan base, that is a wrap.
51:42
Speaker 1: Like, how would you if you didn't have a team
51:45
Speaker 1: and you were like young in New York, how would
51:47
Speaker 1: you ever decide that you're not going to get on
51:49
Speaker 1: the Knicks way?
51:52
Speaker 3: I'm old and not in New York, and I bought
51:54
Speaker 3: a hat and a t-shirt. I'm a 43-year-old man living
51:58
Speaker 3: in D.C. I'm on the bandwagon. There's nothing about the
52:01
Speaker 3: Nets that I'm surprised. I'm done talking about them.
52:06
Speaker 1: It's just I don't, like, maybe you guys should move.
52:10
Speaker 1: That's the team people talk about. Maybe they should move
52:12
Speaker 1: to Nashville. I don't know, but it's not. No, man,
52:18
Speaker 1: the Knicks were wobbly.
52:21
Speaker 2: Right.
52:21
Speaker 1: Like it was the Nets. The Nets needed to just
52:24
Speaker 1: mess around and win them championships when they had them boys.
52:27
Speaker 2: They might.
52:27
Speaker 3: And I mean, they still wouldn't have taken over for
52:30
Speaker 3: the Knicks, but they had a chance of being like
52:32
Speaker 3: a cool, different franchise.
52:34
Speaker 2: They launched and it just always felt so contrived.
52:36
Speaker 3: It was like, look, we from Brooklyn. We're going to
52:39
Speaker 3: wear the Biggie jerseys. Jay-Z is a part owner. We
52:41
Speaker 3: go buy all these good players and and then not
52:44
Speaker 3: get nothing done.
52:45
Speaker 1: You know, maybe just maybe should have stayed their asses
52:50
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. New Jersey has a distinct identity. New
52:54
Speaker 1: Jersey is its own place.
52:57
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that because I feel like I
52:59
Speaker 3: don't think of New Jersey as its own place. I
53:00
Speaker 3: know it's a distinct identity, but it feels like New
53:03
Speaker 3: Jersey is either Philly or New York.
53:07
Speaker 1: New Jersey is either Philly or New York, except Philly
53:11
Speaker 1: or New York. are making it very clear to you
53:13
Speaker 1: that it's New Jersey. I get it.
53:16
Speaker 2: I know that they don't feel that way.
53:18
Speaker 3: But for me and the rest of the world and
53:21
Speaker 3: the people who are in Jersey also, it seems like
53:24
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, we real close to New York or
53:26
Speaker 3: we real close to Philly.
53:28
Speaker 1: No, there's in the middle New Jersey too.
53:32
Speaker 2: What you know about middle New Jersey?
53:34
Speaker 1: That is there.
53:36
Speaker 2: Exactly. So it ain't.
53:38
Speaker 3: One of those places went on a dot, as you
53:40
Speaker 3: would say.
53:40
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. I'll tell you this, though.
53:42
Speaker 1: What do I know about Philly, New Jersey? Y'all get
53:44
Speaker 1: caught slipping.
53:47
Speaker 2: I feel the same way about New York.
53:48
Speaker 1: New Jersey.
53:49
Speaker 2: Philly is different?
53:51
Speaker 1: Philly, New Jersey. Honestly, I'm just thinking about Camden.
53:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:56
Speaker 3: I don't spend that much time. I spend a lot
53:58
Speaker 3: of time in New York. So I spend some time
54:00
Speaker 3: in the New York part.
54:02
Speaker 2: Of New Jersey. I don't really.
54:04
Speaker 3: My daughter is in Philly right now running in track nationals,
54:07
Speaker 3: but I don't really get much time to the Philly portion.
54:10
Speaker 2: I have not.
54:11
Speaker 1: Gone to New Jersey of my own volition. I caught
54:17
Speaker 1: a flight out of Newark for South by Southwest in 2024.
54:21
Speaker 1: I think that's the last time. It just don't come up.
54:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's there.
54:27
Speaker 3: Because the people don't live.
54:30
Speaker 2: In New York.
54:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't have a car.
54:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. New Jersey is just, like.
54:35
Speaker 1: It's got great views of the city, though. Like, if
54:37
Speaker 1: you ever go over there, the city look dope.
54:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see it. But then you come back over
54:42
Speaker 2: to the city, and the city is actually dope.
54:44
Speaker 1: It's right here.
54:47
Speaker 2: Why are you going back for?
54:48
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54:56
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, sir. All right, man.
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