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Patriots Draft Countdown: Previewing the Quarterbacks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Guys, today we have the quarterback segment,
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  Speaker 2: which is what everybody's been waiting for obviously, But before
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  Speaker 2: we get into that, we're gonna go over some latest news.
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  Speaker 2: We got Chris Cassidy, Evan Zar, Paul Parillo, and guys,
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  Speaker 2: I think the news of the weekend is Michael Pennix.
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  Speaker 2: It is supposed to show up right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, today, I think a dinner tonight and then dinner
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  Speaker 5: last night, visit today, which is what they've been doing
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  Speaker 5: with all the quarterbacks. So the first time that they've
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  Speaker 5: shown real interest in Michael Penix. They did meet with
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  Speaker 5: him at the senior role, but they with pretty much
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  Speaker 5: everybody that plays in the senior Bowl down in mobiles.
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  Speaker 5: So this is the first time that I think Elliott
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  Speaker 5: Wolfe and Girod Mayo are going to have a legitimate
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  Speaker 5: time to get to know Michael Pennix a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: And obviously the medicals are going to be big with
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  Speaker 5: him for every team, So getting him here, getting probably
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  Speaker 5: a physical exam by your doctors and your facility, all
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  Speaker 5: those things play a big factor. We can obviously talk
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  Speaker 5: about different scenarios of how they end up with Michael Pennix,
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  Speaker 5: but I think the overall takeaway from me is just
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  Speaker 5: no stone unturned. You know, this is a guy that
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  Speaker 5: deserves a seat at the table and a spot in
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  Speaker 5: the conversation, and I think it would have been a
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  Speaker 5: little bit disappointing if they went the whole process and
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  Speaker 5: essentially just ignored Michael Pennix. Even if it ends up
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  Speaker 5: being Drake may or Jaden or JJ McCarthy at three,
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  Speaker 5: I still like the idea of at least getting to
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  Speaker 5: know some of these guys.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, Paul, you got a think on this, No, well,
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  Speaker 3: that's four of the quarterbacks though now that they used
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  Speaker 3: official thirty visits on so I agree with that, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that it's one of those deals. If something
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  Speaker 3: out of outside the box comes up, come the April
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  Speaker 3: twenty fifth, and I don't know, maybe Washington takes Drake
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  Speaker 3: May and Drake May was the one. You know, something happens,
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  Speaker 3: you know, along those terms, and somebody comes after you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with a really overly aggressive bag. You know,
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  Speaker 3: as Mao said, now you have to have some some fallback.
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  Speaker 3: You have to have some intel on the guy who
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  Speaker 3: you might have to get, you know, early in the
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  Speaker 3: second round, or do you want to trade up out
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  Speaker 3: of the early second round into the late first round.
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  Speaker 3: And Michael Pennix would be probably the best candidate for that.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I was gonna just chime in there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Patriots right now are just
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  Speaker 1: testing the waters. I think it's you gotta be able
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  Speaker 1: to see all these guys, especially in any scenario where again,
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  Speaker 1: if there is a trade back situation where the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: do fall back and end up with a quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: the second round, like you have to you have to
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  Speaker 1: look at these guys. It's important to look at these
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  Speaker 1: guys and see what you're going to get from them,
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  Speaker 1: how they're going to be personality wise, and obviously health wise,
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  Speaker 1: So it's all important.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no doubt that off of the film, Michael
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  Speaker 5: Penix is probably QB four in this draft. I think
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  Speaker 5: his draft here film is better than what JJ McCarthy
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  Speaker 5: did at Michigan last year. And if it wasn't for
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  Speaker 5: the medical situation, who knows how high he could go
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  Speaker 5: in this draft. You know, he's a little bit older
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  Speaker 5: of a prospect. It did take him a while in
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  Speaker 5: college with all the injuries, but there's not a very
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  Speaker 5: you know, very few guys in this draft, I would
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  Speaker 5: say with the pinpoint downfield accuracy, you know, in terms
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  Speaker 5: of the downfield ball, placement on the deep ball is
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  Speaker 5: exceptional on film with Penick. So I still think that
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  Speaker 5: he as much as I feel like a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people have cooled on him, I feel like in some
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  Speaker 5: ways from since you know, the season, in the Michigan game,
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  Speaker 5: obviously in the college football playoff, I think is a
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  Speaker 5: big reason why after the Texas game, this guy was
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  Speaker 5: like everybody's darling, right, Like everybody was all over the place,
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  Speaker 5: you know, talking about Michael Pennix. So I definitely I
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  Speaker 5: think that he's someone that can go early in this draft.
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  Speaker 2: Like if he's if there's a second tier, then the
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  Speaker 2: you know air quote for that, he's probably the top guy,
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  Speaker 2: I think, So, you know, that's a good fallback. But
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  Speaker 2: as I said, guys, this episode is mostly on quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 2: so we're gonna get way more into this. We got
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  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy talk Jayden Daniels and of course Drake May
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  Speaker 2: So we hope you enjoy this episode and we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: to you later.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we're here with our final positional preview here
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four Patriots Draft countdown, and guys, it's
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback position. It's a huge one for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: It's really kind of what we've been talking about all spring.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was good to save this
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  Speaker 4: one to the end because I feel like we're talked
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  Speaker 4: out on this already. But let's just give a nice
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  Speaker 4: broad overview. And Paul, I want to start with you
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  Speaker 4: and Caleb Williams, who you know, exciting, dynamic player and
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  Speaker 4: it seems like a luck he's going.
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  Speaker 2: To go to Chicago. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The first time we had this show on I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: November thirteenth, so yeah, I felt like there was a
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  Speaker 3: clear separation between Williams and the rest. Yeah, and it
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  Speaker 3: certainly seems like it's stayed there that way, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the media. I think it kind of fluctuates with
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  Speaker 3: the off field stuff and the crying and you know,
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  Speaker 3: other factors there. But I just feel like his ability
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  Speaker 3: off platform to make some plays. He's very accurate, obviously
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  Speaker 3: dynamic running as well. He's a little small, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at six ' one ish and he's definitely loose with
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  Speaker 3: the football. So there's no such thing as a perfect
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  Speaker 3: prospect any year, but this year, no one's talking about
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  Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams as sort of that special generational kind of talent.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he is, but I think he's clearly
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  Speaker 3: QB one as Evan and the.
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  Speaker 4: Kids say, do you think Evan? Do you think he
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  Speaker 4: could be that guy? Though, if he kind of irons
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  Speaker 4: out some of those details.
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  Speaker 5: I would say that his his arm talents generational. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know. I agree with Paul that he's got wartz
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  Speaker 5: to his game, that he's going to have to work
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  Speaker 5: out with ball security and taking too many sacks and
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  Speaker 5: things like that, but his arm talents generational. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he's got that ability, like Paul is saying, off platform
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  Speaker 5: to not just throw the ball down the field, you know,
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  Speaker 5: ten yards, he can throw it sixty yards accurately off platform.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: He makes some throws on film that are just disgusting,
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  Speaker 5: Like you're just like, come on, really like really, like,
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  Speaker 5: what are you supposed to do about that? So he's
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  Speaker 5: incredibly incredibly talented. I know that his personality is not
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  Speaker 5: for everybody. We're going to leave that to the side.
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  Speaker 5: His football ability is you know, his ability on film
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  Speaker 5: is is exceptional. And I've I've wired a wire, I've
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  Speaker 5: had him one one, I've had him in his own tier,
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  Speaker 5: like he's he's a tier above everybody else in this
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  Speaker 5: class tomy. Is he in the Andrew Luck sphere? Probably not,
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  Speaker 5: but he's right below that sphere. I would say that
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  Speaker 5: maybe we all should have thought of Trevor Lawrence like
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  Speaker 5: a little bit less of that generational type mate, And
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  Speaker 5: I think that Caleb's in a similar category.
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  Speaker 4: Would tis I'm not going to We've covered I feel
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  Speaker 4: like we covered Caleb if you don't need to believe
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  Speaker 4: labor the point. So let's just get right to Drake.
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  Speaker 4: May I mean, I think all of us are will
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  Speaker 4: be very excited if the Patriots were able to land him,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just prototypical size. He's got some athleticism, he's
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  Speaker 4: got some of the off platform stuff, he's got some
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  Speaker 4: creativity to his game. He's just kind of a ratic
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  Speaker 4: at times. But he's still just twenty one years old.
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  Speaker 4: But it seems like he's got all the tools in
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  Speaker 4: the shed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he carried a bad UNC team last year,
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  Speaker 2: not this past season. Year before. I mean, it really
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  Speaker 2: was Drake May and Kale Williams and even there were
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  Speaker 2: some scenarios where Drake May was going to be the
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  Speaker 2: number one guy. So that's a guy you can come in.
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  Speaker 2: He's young, if you know the offense, say the Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: we're lucky enough to get him at three. We're not
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  Speaker 2: ready for him. You can sit him. He'll just grow
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  Speaker 2: behind Jacobe Burssett. We don't know what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: but at this point, I just hope the Commanders don't
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  Speaker 2: take him. So that's all of us.
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  Speaker 4: But you guys, I mean, this is this is the
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  Speaker 4: guy we should probably spend the most time on.
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  Speaker 2: Bright Paul.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like him and Daniels. Daniels a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more than you do. But May would be my
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  Speaker 3: pick as well, I just I think think there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of athleticism there, you know, prototypical size six '
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  Speaker 3: four to twenty five or so. I think he can run.
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  Speaker 3: He's he's been an effective runner. There's inconsistencies, there's no again,
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  Speaker 3: there's no perfect guys. He's loses his accuracy at times.
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  Speaker 3: The mechanics are an issue. I think those things are coachable.
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  Speaker 3: I think he has the things that you can't teach
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  Speaker 3: in terms of the physical tools. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot to like there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I think
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  Speaker 5: the biggest thing is with Drake May is that this mold,
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  Speaker 5: this archetype is working out more and more in the
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  Speaker 5: league now that they are these private quarterback coaches in
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  Speaker 5: the offseason and there's a little bit more knowledge of
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  Speaker 5: what's important and what's not when it comes to footwork
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  Speaker 5: and things like that. You see so many of these
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  Speaker 5: guys now, and I think that Drake May is right
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  Speaker 5: in the mold of Alan Herbert Jordan Love, like all
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  Speaker 5: those types of players that it'll work itself out more
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  Speaker 5: times than not. Now, you know, maybe twenty years ago
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  Speaker 5: we had trouble with these kinds of players, now it
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  Speaker 5: feels like the developmental track is a lot easier for them.
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  Speaker 5: You look at the high end throws, like the big
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  Speaker 5: time throws down the field. Nobody's made more of them
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  Speaker 5: college football over the last two years than Drake May.
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  Speaker 5: So you see those big time throws, those high level
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  Speaker 5: franchise QB plays, he has those. Just to Paul's point,
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  Speaker 5: he has to be more consistent with the layups. It's
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  Speaker 5: actually the easy throws that he has harder trouble with
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  Speaker 5: than the big time throws. So that's a little bit backwards,
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  Speaker 5: but in a lot of ways, I just kind of
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  Speaker 5: described Josh Allen, you know, coming out of college. So
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  Speaker 5: that's the way that I look at it with Drake
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  Speaker 5: May is that we've we've gotten better of developing that
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  Speaker 5: kind of talent in the league, and I think it
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  Speaker 5: has panned out more times than not recently.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked him. It's a good transition though to
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  Speaker 4: Jade and Daniels, who you know similar, I mean, has
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  Speaker 4: to kind of develop probably more along the lines of
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  Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson. You know, Paul you mentioned that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more concerned.
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  Speaker 3: There are a few just.
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  Speaker 4: Traits in him that I see that I see coming
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  Speaker 4: and if they don't develop, you know, I be kind
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  Speaker 4: of mad at myself. But you know, why don't you
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  Speaker 4: set up Jade Daniels a little bit?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think that the the ability to run
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  Speaker 3: is the X factor there, and these guys are all mobile.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams is a terrific runner too. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: that Daniels is the only guy, but I do think
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  Speaker 3: that he separates himself a little bit as a runner,
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  Speaker 3: and I think sometimes that can make up for some
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  Speaker 3: of the inefficiencies. He's like everybody else, though, he's going
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  Speaker 3: to have to learn how to do it from the
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  Speaker 3: pocket and you know, get the ball out on time
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  Speaker 3: and being rhythm make his progressions. I think for a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these guys, there was a lot of one
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  Speaker 3: read stuff. Evan would probably speak to that a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more than I would. But there's a lot to
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  Speaker 3: like about Daniels. And you know, I think the fact
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  Speaker 3: that the size of the frame, you know, it's not
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  Speaker 3: that much different than Lamar Jackson, a little smaller. So
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  Speaker 3: I think some people felt like that durability would be
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  Speaker 3: an issue. I was one of them, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: looks like he's, you know, if he can play it
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  Speaker 3: two ten or you know, two fifteen. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: big enough. There's a lot to like there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's very different stylistically than Lamar. He
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  Speaker 5: runs differently tax different areas of the field as a thrower,
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  Speaker 5: but the way that defenses have to account for his
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  Speaker 5: mobility is very similar to Lamar. So you're gonna get
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  Speaker 5: into a game plan defensively against the Patriots and you
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  Speaker 5: are gonna have to have a coordinated rush plan of
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  Speaker 5: how are we going to contain Jaden Daniels in the pocket,
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  Speaker 5: Because when he gets out of the pocket and runs,
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  Speaker 5: he's a fifty yard touchdown waiting to happen. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he will turn on the tape against Florida or Alabama
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  Speaker 5: and he is just taking off running for huge chunks,
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  Speaker 5: not just ten yards at a time. Fifty sixty seventy
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  Speaker 5: eighty five yard touchdown against Florida running the football. So
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  Speaker 5: that's a difference making trait that he has as a passer,
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  Speaker 5: though there are has some hesitations with his profile. He
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  Speaker 5: has a lot of overlap as a thrower with Justin
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  Speaker 5: Fields and with Jalen Hurts, so that's the scale that
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  Speaker 5: I have put him on. Jalen Hurts is like, well,
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  Speaker 5: I think what it could be if everything around him
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  Speaker 5: is in the right order. And I think with him,
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  Speaker 5: it's really about having those outside receivers that can win
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  Speaker 5: one on one because he's not somebody that likes to
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  Speaker 5: throw the ball to the middle of the field. He's
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  Speaker 5: not gonna hit the layered, anticipatory rhythm throws between the numbers.
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  Speaker 5: It's not his game. That's where the Justin Fields thing
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  Speaker 5: kind of comes in. There's a lot of sacks on film.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of you know, when he gets pressure,
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  Speaker 5: he's gonna get sacked. He's not elusive, overly in the pocket,
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  Speaker 5: and he's not big, so when you hit him, he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna go down. So those are the things that I
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  Speaker 5: think give you concern about Jayden Daniels. Is just that
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  Speaker 5: we look at what just happened with Justin Fields in Chicago.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't give him a good offensive line, and
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  Speaker 5: he really you know, DJ Moore is like the best
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  Speaker 5: receiver he's ever worked with, and it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of a projection of what he can do
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  Speaker 5: as a thrower. But I think He's a much better
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  Speaker 5: natural runner than Justin fields is. So I put him
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  Speaker 5: more in the Lamar category in that What do you
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  Speaker 5: think you got Daniels?
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  Speaker 4: Should we move on to to McCarthy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what I want to add about Daniels real quick
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  Speaker 2: is that the difference between him and Lamar's Lamar is
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  Speaker 2: a bit better avoiding the hits. I mean, there's some
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  Speaker 2: footage of Jade Daniels getting absolutely planted, and I'm also
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  Speaker 2: worried that he had the way to get as Evan
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  Speaker 2: said Malik neighbors Brian Thomas, I just don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that'd be a great fit for the Pats once again
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  Speaker 2: to something we haven't had before because Cam kind of
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the arm when he was here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Lamar is more creative as a runner too, Like
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  Speaker 5: Lamar is more elusive and more jitterbuggy as a runner,
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  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels is a shot out of a cannon type
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  Speaker 5: of runner, Like when he sees a gap, he's going
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  Speaker 5: to just explode through it. You know, if you want
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  Speaker 5: to compare him as a runner, I see a lot
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  Speaker 5: of Kaepernick and how he runs the ball. That's it's
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  Speaker 5: a straight line speed. He's not a dancer like Lamar is.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Lamar's got at all. I think that that
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  Speaker 5: still can be really valuable, but it's just a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of a different running style.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So let's move now to you know, probably the most
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  Speaker 4: polarizing prospect, Jaja McCarthy, who wasn't really even I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't feel like he was even polarizing like to
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  Speaker 4: start the process. And then just in the last month
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  Speaker 4: or so, Paul, he's really become the guy that you know,
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  Speaker 4: just everyone has him going all the way up to
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  Speaker 4: three of the Patriots. I mean, does that sound crazy.
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  Speaker 3: We're a couple of weeks out now, and it certainly
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  Speaker 3: seems like I'd be surprised at this point with the
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  Speaker 3: amount of buzz that he's gotten if he doesn't go
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  Speaker 3: in the top ten. So I'm not necessarily sure how
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  Speaker 3: this all happened, but there is a skill set there
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  Speaker 3: that I think is a little underrated. He is polarizing, you, right, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: but I do think he has a good degree of
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  Speaker 3: athleticism in mobility. He's not the runner per se that
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  Speaker 3: the other guys are, but he can move and he's
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  Speaker 3: got a terrific arm. Matter of fact, some people criticize
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  Speaker 3: that it's all fastballs, like he needs to sort of
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  Speaker 3: vary the routine a little bit. But there's to me,
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  Speaker 3: it's that the cliched question. He never had to carry
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  Speaker 3: the team at Michigan, so that's a projection. You don't
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  Speaker 3: know if he can do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've been pretty critical of the McCarthy stuff.
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  Speaker 5: I think his floor is probably the Minnesota at eleven.
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  Speaker 5: Like if they just waited out and give the mac
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  Speaker 5: jones thing, or you just hope he falls in your
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  Speaker 5: lap at eleven, then maybe you know that ends up
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: happening there. I think the biggest thing with McCarthy is
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: that the strains there are that he plays with instructure
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: of a pro style offense at Michigan. So that's nice
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: and easily translate to the NFL. Like when he's on
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: time and he's on the first read, this is what
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: he's capable of doing. We can see that on film,
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: even in a small sample size. He's also, to Paul's point,
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: he's very very quick and agile in the pocket. He's nimble,
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: he can move around the pocket, he can evade rushers,
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: he can keep his eyes downfield and throw off of that.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: He's not a scrambler, but he's a thrower within that confine.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: So he's very good there. He put down a six
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: point eight two three cone, so you can see the quickness,
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: like he's got that change of direction ability. I think
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing with him is just a lack of creativity.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: You know, he's an instructure player, and there's just not
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: a whole lot of times in structure that I see
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: him really using some of the different quarterback tools to
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: hit bigger plays down the field, Like let's come off. Yeah,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: the first read might be an open six yard completion,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: but if I come off the first read the second
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: reads an eighty yard touchdown. You see him stick on
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: to the first read a little bit too often. There's
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: not a lot of pump fakes or manipulation or real
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: creativity or playmaking to his game. So that's why I've
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: really consistently compared him to Purty because I feel like
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Brock Purdy is one of those guys that, yeah, if
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: it's all on time and if the guys are getting
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: open and the scheme is working and all this kind
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: of stuff, he can be a prolific you know, He's
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: what runner up for MVP last year. Really efficient guy,
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: but is he going to be the reason that you
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: look back and say JJ McCarthy carried us that day,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: like he was the reason why we won this game.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: I don't see that in the league. And I think
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: that that's if you're picking at three, your guy has
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: to have that type of potential. He has to be
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: able to do that.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I just don't think he's the dynamic player worth the
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: number three pick. You don't go four and thirteen to
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: take bo Nix, you don't go for and thirteen to
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: take JJ McCarthy. It's just it's not the right move.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: If you're at eleven, it makes more sense. That's kind
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: of player you hope falls in your lap. I just
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: don't think he's worth that high pick.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: So let's round out just the big names to talk
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: to the group. Michael Pennis last you know, last one
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: obviously had really nice game in the semifinals. Injury history,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: big arm down the field.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Paul.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's certainly got some trade, but he's a
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: guy that seems kind of like he's fallen off a
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: little bit with.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: The high quiet. Yeah, and the Patriots really haven't expressed
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: much interest or haven't had much of their interest publicized
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: at least around him. So but yeah, terrific passer. I think,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: maybe arguably the best passer in the draft, but you
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: do not get the dynamic elements that most of these
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: other guys give you.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, other than May, he's probably the most pinpoint accurate
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: on the deep ball. You know, him and May are
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: kind of in that category, and Caleb obviously too, but
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: I don't really count him because he's going to the Bears.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: So you know, between the guys that are going to
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: be Patriots potentially, I'd say Penix is downfield throws and
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: just those absolutely perfect, pletely placed passes like the Penix
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: has that. The issues with Penix, other than the injuries,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: of course, which you have to mention, is under pressure.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: His accuracy and his velocity on the football dips when
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: he's got pressure in his face, he's got people at
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: his feet, things like that. We saw that in the
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: National Championship game. But it comes up in other pockets
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: when he was under pressure during the season against better teams,
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: he like an Oregon or something like that. So that
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: does happen with him. But if you put the injuries
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: to the side and you're a team that clears him
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: medically and feel good about him medically, which some teams
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: I think do, then you can convince yourself that he's
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: got that leadership, that it thing that we were talking
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: about with McCarthy a little bit. He's got good downfield
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: accuracy for the most part, so you know, you could
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: talk yourself into Michael Pennix. But based off of what
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: they've done pre draft, I just think it's risky to
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: take Penix without doing real homework on him. And maybe
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: it's all been private and maybe it's all been to
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: behind closed doors, but to not have him here for
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: a thirty visit, to not go to his pro day
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: with the big decision makers and all this kind of stuff,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: it's I would I would be a little bit scared. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: he might be.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. You can't ignore the injuries. But I think
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the year before he had about third he won thirty
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: two touchdowns, falls up with thirty six. Kind of crazy.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Think what one game can do. He had the match
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a game against Texas doesn't play as well in the final,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: so it'd kind of be interesting where he'd be at
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: if that Texas game was the final game. But it
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: is risky, but he's one of those players if you
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: hit it could be good news for the franchise.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: So it seems like, I mean some more than others,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: but this hopefully the Patriots. One of these guys is
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: on the Patriots, like hopefully one of those top six.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: But as we get down here, and I know Evan
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: you said before, like, I mean, it's just not a
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: great class after that kind of top six, and it's
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: just who kind of intrigues you a little bit. I
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: just throw out two names that I kind of like.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, Joe Milton. I don't even know if I
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: like him. I'm just like, I just like watching him
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: chuck the deep can ignore, you know, and walk away
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and just put the finger up.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Might be the best.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's fun to watch. And I
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: look at that as you know, it's a late round
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: guy where hey, I'm always a fan of drafting quarterbacks,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: but you know, giving him a chance, like just to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: come into training camp and watch him as like you
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: almost like JJ Taylor was, where I'm like, oh, he'll
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: be fun in training camp. He's never going to play
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: it down a meaningful down for the team, but at
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: least it'll make kind of make.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Some fun preseason games. And I think Milton would be
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: interesting in a year like the Kenny Pickett year where
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: there's not really that consensus. One guy, see what team
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: takes a reach on him.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: He's got I mean, he's got trades. The other one,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I just you know, throw out Jordan Travis from Florida State,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: who I know, you know, really undersize coming off a
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: big injury. But I just wonder. I just think there's
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: something there.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I just like him.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I like listening to him with the combine, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: but again, like this is like we're talking to day
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: three developmental guy. I don't know, Paul, you got any
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: comments on those guys or if there's other guys that
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: you know, just guys.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Are also both a little older, you know it had
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: a longer career. I think they both were in college
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: for six years.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Travis is almost twenty four years.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he had some time at Louisville before Florida State.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: In Milton obviously at Michigan before Tennessee. I don't I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: like Travis Moore. Milton has gotten opportunities to play and
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: not been overly productive. Travis was very productive. He was
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: very much in the Heisman Trophy running with Daniels this
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: year before he got suffered that injury. But the size
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: worries me to me, if you look down here, then
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: you're gonna roll the dice. It's Rattler, Spencer Rattler, who
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I don't love. But the ability, I think the tools
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: combined with the production in college, I think at a
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: higher level. If you're going to roll the dice on
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: a mid mid round pick, I think he'd beat the guy.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe Milton's not good at football, just like Joe
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Milton is. If it's a Pro day, if it's a combine,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: he's going to be the star of the show. When
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: you actually watch him play football, He's not good.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: It's also a system that no one is really thrived in. Yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Josh Hipel system in the NFL, it's a college system.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: It's just that's what it is.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: He's got a cannon of an arm. He's got size,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: he's got athleticism, you know, in a lot of ways,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Like there's guys like that. You know Anthony Richardson, right,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: But Anthony Richardson's got natural quarterback in stinks and ability
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: to play the game. Joe Milton is not like that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: I think that, you know, we did. I don't know
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: if we mentioned bo Nicks. You know, Boenix is probably
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: skipped over the early day to guy. You know, I've
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: called him Vanilla ice Cream in the past, like he's
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: one of those guys with bow Knicks though that is
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: accurate and on time, and he's gonna hit the short
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: game and he's gonna do hit the layups in the offense.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: He's not gonna do anything else. Like, it's not gonna
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: be it's not gonna be explosive, it's not gonna be fun.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: It's not gonna be creative. But if you're just looking
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: for a distributor, a point guard at the position, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: bow Knicks has some ability to do that. I've heard,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: you know, Alex Smith, you know, best case scenario maybe
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: like a Baker Mayfield, you know, like those types of
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: comps for him, he's a little bit more athletic than
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: like a mac Jones, Like he can run around a
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: little bit more so. He's got some skill. Spencer rattler,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: I think has two things going for him. He's got
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: a huge arm. He's got natural arm talent, can flick
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: it from any platform, he's really got a good arm,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: and he's got a decent feel for navigating pressure in
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: the pocket. You know, he's got some of that bob
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: and weave to him in the pocket. But he holds
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: the ball a lot. It doesn't see the field particularly
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: great and.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: His skills a lot. Yeah, he has a lot of skill,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: but he sometimes relies a little too much on him.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's a shade over six feet tall, so
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: he's not the biggest guy either. I think great com
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: for him is Gardner Minshew. You know, you can see
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: that there is ability there. But is he ever going
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: to be the guy that is your guy, like this
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: is our franchise quarterback. Probably not, but I think he's
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: gonna kick around the league for like a decade as
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: like a high end backup type of player.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Any other guys, these these late round guys that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Rattler was my other guy, Rattler Penix and Penix is
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: probably gonna go higher than Ratler, or hopefully he does.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But other than that, Drake Maybaby, anybody we missed?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Anyone else guy a little high on the.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Bradley from Southern Alabama or South Alabama, I don't
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: know which one it is. Carter Bradley, he's got he's athletic.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: You know, he's a good athlete. He can run around
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: a little bit. You know, between him and Michael Pratt,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: one of those guys is going to stick in the
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: league as the same kind of category as Spencer Rattler,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: like a high end backup, low end starter, spot starter,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: that type of player. Bradley probably available a little bit
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: later than Pratt. Pratt has a chance, I think to
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: be like a top one fifty pick. You know, he'd
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: probably go by the end of the fourth round. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: like Prat, Yeah, you know, he's he's not what you
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: think he is. Pratt Like you think that you're turning
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: on a tape of like a guy that just doesn't
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: have the physical tools but has the timing and the
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: rhythm down. He's actually the opposite, Like he's actually pretty
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: toolsy for a guy that went to that level of school.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: But he's he's just not in the category of some
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: of these other guys in terms of physical ability, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: he's you know, the timing is not always great either,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: so there's some developmental stuff that needs to be done there.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: But he's bigger and stronger and faster than you would
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: think for for where he went to school.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to bring those guys up for those
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: of you looking for the double dip. You know they're
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: going to get somebody in the first round and oh
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: it's the fifth round. You know what's let's do the
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins RG three. Pratt could be a you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: a good pick for that. Yep, yeah, guy Brad a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: good pick for that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: I think Pratt is the guy for that, not just
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: because he kind of looks like Kirk Cousin, but I
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: also do like that because I think that Rattler, Nicks, Pennix,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: like those guys are going to be top one hundred picks.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: So if you're really looking for the double dip, you're
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: thinking fourth or fifth round at the earliest is when
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: you're going to take the other quarterback.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: All right, Well that's going to do it here for
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: all of our positional previews, certainly quarterback an important one.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Hopefully the Patriots are able to nab one of those
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: top prospects. So just over a week to go, folks,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: We're getting close.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, Thanks for tuning in. That wraps up
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: all of our positional prospect previews. Guys, the last show
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: is going to be a live show April twenty fourth,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the night before the draft, and we'll be live from
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: twelve to one pm. We're all going to be here
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: to go over everything. We might do a little live
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: mock draft, but we don't want to tease too much here.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: But thanks for tuning in.