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DAVID GUNN: King 810, Lyrics, Ayahuasca & His Spiritual Journey · The Downbeat

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  Hello guys, welcome back to the Downbeat Podcast.
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  My guest this week is David Gunn of King 810, a unbelievably
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  interesting person. Met him for the first time
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  earlier in the morning. We went to the gym together.
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  Honestly, the guy is an enigma. We talked for an extended amount
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  of time about magic to the point that we had to pull the pin on
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  it and be like, let's just do a magic episode again.
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  The guy is super well read. Don't think he'll mind me saying
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  this. He's like kind of scary.
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  The band's kind of scary if you don't know King 81-O,
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  Real raw, old school style. We talk about that.
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  Just a really interesting chat with a really interesting guy.
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  It's David Gunn of King 810 on the Downbeat podcast.
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  I didn't. First off, 1st off.
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  Is it? David or David?
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  You can call me David. That's what my friends call me.
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  Nice. Where?
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  Where did that come from? Me and my friend, we were very
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  much into. Well, when I was a child, I got
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  into rudimentary forms of paganism, Wicca, stuff like
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  that, maybe 11 or 12. And when I became an older
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  teenager in 19/20/21, me and my friend were into not were until
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  we still are. Obviously you can hear in the
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  music ceremonial magic. And so his name's Jake, my
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  name's David, and both biblical names, but we put the Y at the
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  beginning, even though the Y is just the sound.
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  It's actually supposed to be AJ for Yanis and Yombres, the two
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  magicians the the, the Pharaoh in Egypt's that Moses faces that
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  does all the miracles and they have a a duel.
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  The Pharaoh's 2/2 had magicians were Yanis and Yombres.
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  It's just looks like Janice and Jambres.
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  So he's Yike. And I'm behaving.
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  Yeah, you can behave it, the two magicians.
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  It's funny because I was, I was going to hit on that later on
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  and then earlier we might as well just go straight into it.
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  Then we're into it already. First off, thanks for coming.
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  Oh yeah, thanks for the lift earlier.
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  Hey, thank you for hosting me. This motherfucker came in.
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  I was like, he was like, I'm going to be a bit a bit late,
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  start warming up. I was dead lifting.
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  If you don't care about the weights and stuff, sorry, you're
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  fucked. I was deadlifting.
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  I got up to like a 315. I was going to go out from
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  there. This motherfucker just comes in
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  and I'm and was like, we are in on this.
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  And I was like, yeah, we can, you can back it off if you want
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  to warm up and then just proceeds to wrap out like 15.
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  No warm up. No, no beast.
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  Well, I have to make a disclaimer as well.
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  No steroids, because that's what people think you're doing.
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  If you can lift more than them, yeah.
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  Yeah. Like, yeah, he's just not
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  natural. Damn it, damn it.
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  And then they're right. I'm not natural as in not
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  natural, but I'm. Supernatural.
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  But I'm not on steroids. No, he's.
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  You're straight edge, Yeah. So a lot of straight edge
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  people, their drug is actually steroids.
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  Yeah. Never touched it.
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  No, no, never will. Even 1 Cheeky.
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  No, not anything. Period.
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  The only thing I say when people start getting into the steroid
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  combo is I don't think that they are as harmful as crazy or as as
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  they're made out to be, but I don't do them or want to do
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  them. I think they there was a big
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  scare with the roid rage and with all of this stuff, which,
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  you know, just common sense, you're playing with your
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  hormones. So you are going to there is
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  effects to it. It's not harmless, but I don't
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  believe, I almost think they did a reefer madness scare with
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  steroids, kind of like they did with weed where you know if you
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  smoke weed, you're going to kill your whole family and do
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  whatever they did. They did a fear campaign
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  regarding steroids with that as well.
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  So I don't have the, I don't have the opinion about steroids
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  that most people have like as in the general public.
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  Yeah, if it's going to do it to you, do something to you.
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  It kind of already lives in you. Like me with weed, probably.
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  Reefer Madness could be correct. Like I can't smoke weed but I'm
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  like a psycho. Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm
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  not I think reefer madness is, is a little bit real as well.
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  I've I've seen some people doing some, you know, these get these
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  drug induced psychosis from from it and and people swear it's,
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  you know, just a for your mind kind of thing.
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  And I don't think that's true either.
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  But I also don't think steroids are going to make you kill your
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  family. I don't I don't have anything
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  against them. I just don't want or need them.
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  Not even. I'm not even close to
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  considering that I've. Never I've seen where you left.
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  Testosterone is also because people are like, well you must
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  be on test if you're not on roids.
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  They just for some reason can't. It's like no, nothing.
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  So you never touched a drug? No, I guess I've done ayahuasca
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  in the jungle of Peru. So that's.
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  You want to tell me about that? I don't know much about it, I
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  was pretty gone. How long was it?
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  I was there for a few weeks. Oh, he did proper retreat.
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  Proper. Yeah, not too many English
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  speaking people. Peruvian shaman high jungle in
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  Peru. I think 10th generation shaman
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  never even left the jungle. No cell phones, no electricity,
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  no laundry, Internet, iPhone, whatever.
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  Set up being on tour. Few weeks, yeah, Out there doing
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  that about every other day. Oh my God, like the full eight
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  hour 12 hour trip every every other day.
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  Yeah, one of them was even more intense because I thought this
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  is just how I am. I thought, I'm going to try not
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  to puke, keep it in. I was fucked for maybe 30 hours.
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  Oh, so you you succeeded in your puking.
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  I did. Yeah, yeah, of course the.
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  Purging that they call it. You didn't purge, no.
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  So I, I could feel this stuff and I think it, I think
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  everything that you do is just meant to how you're supposed to
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  do it. And but I I had did it a couple
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  times and I was doing my own thing and probably the 5th, 5th
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  or 6th time I thought, I wonder what it be like if I don't puke
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  this up. So you just get the full hit of
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  it? Did you work the full?
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  Head of it. Did you like work through
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  anything like because obviously it's transformative.
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  I've done DMT but like that's 15 minutes of blaster into space.
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  And even after that I was a different person like and have
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  been a different person since then.
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  But like what you're talking about is a full DMT trip for 8
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  to 10 hours. The next day, yeah, when I
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  swallowed it, it took for a very long time.
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  It took basically I wasn't eating.
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  I was on a fast for weeks and I wasn't had no food and water in
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  me. So I don't know why, if this has
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  anything to do with it, because I don't, I don't really know.
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  But it took forever to digest. So I was as long as it was in my
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  body. I was completely twisted.
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  I couldn't even walk. But I really didn't mind.
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  I was in the middle of the jungle with nothing to do, with
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  nowhere to be. So it wasn't a big deal.
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  But yeah, I could feel the you know, they don't say it's, it's
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  true that you have those, all those intestines, you know, that
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  the flu goes through. You can.
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  I could feel this shit every inch of the way.
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  You could feel it moving it. Was almost like a hot fire,
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  which is I was really into this idea.
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  It was, it was almost like a hot fire.
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  And you could, I could feel this thing just warming around before
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  and I kept trying to go to the bathroom every day, every hour,
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  I mean, multiple times a day. And it it just wasn't happening.
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  Just wasn't budging, it was making its.
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  Own its own pace. So I was like, you know what,
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  you're going at your own pace. I'm just going to lay down in
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  the river. I was never didn't even have any
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  clothes on. I just went out in the river
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  just laid out by the side. When was this?
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  This is hilarious but I have definitely some holes burned in
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  my brain from this this funny experiences my friend Alan Vicki
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  that they do blood stock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that.
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  Yeah. He's a big lifter as well.
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  Yeah, I love, I love both of them.
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  They, we've been crashing at their house since the very first
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  time we went over there. Awesome people, you know, super
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  supportive. One of when only 5 people
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  support your band, you just become friends with those five
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  people. So the list is short.
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  And I was at their house and we were doing Bloodstock that year
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  and I think it was 17. It was right after La Petite
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  Moore came out and we did the Bloodstock festival and I flew
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  right from the Bloodstock festival to the Peru.
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  So I, I still have this strange. It was a it was a life changing
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  few weeks right? But before I left I this is just
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  something really stupid, but I I did my laundry at their house so
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  I just have their laundry detergent smell burned into my
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  memory. I can.
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  Because it was over the whole. Experience I had these clothes
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  for for weeks and that's, that's all all I had and it's, it's
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  really different than, you know, America detergent or American.
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  Doesn't smell like anything. I know exactly, you know what I
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  mean. There's that English humidity
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  of. How did it dry?
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  Fucking dry doesn't dry, it just waits.
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  It doesn't. The clothing doesn't dry, it
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  just waits to be worn. I was laying there the whole
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  time with these clothes on and I just have this funny scent of
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  that is not very interesting or not very deep, but it it just
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  made me made me think of that. But it's.
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  Funny because smells bring you back.
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  It does so when I this is this is another strange thing since
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  we're just rambling off off shit is one of the one of the times
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  that I was just running my own experiments.
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  You know what I mean. I was there to do this internal
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  work and, and I felt compelled to go in this calling and all
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  this stuff. And it was a spiritual
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  experience and we can get to that.
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  But I, I was like going out, you know, I've never been drunk.
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  I never been high. So but when I, when I see
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  someone get drunk, they kind of know they're drunk because
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  they'll tell you. They'll look at you and be like,
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  I'm fucked up. You know what I mean?
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  When I did this shit, I didn't even know I was a human or
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  anything. I didn't even have AI was a
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  completely stepped outside of the construct, I guess, right.
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  So I didn't have any clue what was happening.
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  So I, I had a recorder with me, a little Tascam or something,
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  track, whatever. And I was like, I'm going to
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  press record on my next ceremony.
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  And when I lay down, just going to wake up the next day and
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  listen to what happened is see if I said anything, did
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  anything. Listen to the songs that they
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  sing because he would, the ceremonial songs he would sing
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  all night until the next morning.
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  I put a small piece of that at the beginning of this song
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  called Heartbeats that we have. It's our third record called
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  Suicide King. And that's the shaman's voice.
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  So whenever we play that and it kind of comes over the, the
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  intro, so it comes over the years, the PA in the in the
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  years, I get this flash, you know, it's the same, same thing
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  with the laundry smell. But whenever that Peruvian song
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  comes before that, it gives me this little thing, you know?
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  Takes you back there. Yeah, but that's not very deep
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  shit. That's just very superficial fun
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  stuff, you know? How do you mean like?
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  This one, the smell of laundry detergent and the and.
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  The other one is definitely cooler than the laundry one, but
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  the laundry 1 is like for me as some of this one guy that's
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  moved here. Like I know exactly the smell
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  you're talking about because I haven't smelled it in months.
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  Yeah, come into the States. I joke that my number one reason
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  to come into the States was drying my clothes.
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  You can actually do it in a day. But like, I love it like when
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  that little noise goes. My clothes are dry now.
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  I started this three hours ago. We're good.
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  It's. Crazy forced air.
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  It's fucking crazy it. Was interesting to me, that's
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  why I brought it up, because you know you're from the UK so you
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  would get it. Also put a time on it.
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  I was thinking when do we let, when do we played Bloodstock the
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  first time? That was the 17.
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  So that's when I went over there.
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  That's when I did all that. Is Bloodstock one of the ones
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  that you didn't get to play another time download I was
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  supposed to see you. It was download, primarily
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  download, yeah. Download Who got arrested?
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  You got arrested. Me and Gene, yeah.
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  At the airport. Yeah, we thought we were cool.
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  We thought we were about to leave the country for the first
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  time, do all this stuff and have all this fun.
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  Didn't know even know what London was or you know, the UK
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  or whatever and we just pulled up and got pinched immediately.
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  Was it like, and you can just tell me if you don't want to go
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  into this, but like, was it you were wanted for something and
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  you put your passport details in at the airport and they had to
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  phone the police? Or did this happen really soon
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  and you went straight to the airport?
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  We were wanted for something we didn't know about.
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  So there were we had we. So we're always getting into
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  trouble. I don't care to go into it.
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  I don't mind going into it because it's all public.
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  That's another side note. I would say is half of the shit
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  that I talk about is all you could Google it.
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  You know what I mean? If I if I talk about saying
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  music, sometimes I'll bring something up and people will be
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  like he's boasting or bragging about criminal things.
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  All all the things I talk about are public, so I'm not.
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  I don't really think it's boasting or bragging.
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  It's just what? It is.
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  Oh, I didn't. I didn't.
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  I wouldn't think it was bragging.
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  I just meant if it's something you can't talk about like.
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  No, no. I.
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  Like law in America works different.
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  Like if if your charges get dropped or you get found
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  innocent, you could literally come out the next thing and go.
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  I did that, and because you've already been tried, you can't
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  get tried again. Yeah.
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  It's been a lot of years now. I don't even think I did what
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  what they were saying I did. But we didn't know that at the
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  time. When we pulled up to to the to
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  download the flight, they were waiting on the before we even
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  got into the the airport. It was like on the deck, you
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  know, on the sidewalk, bunch of undercover people and regular
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  clothing. It looked like a fake movie
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  where they I got two people with the clothing and doing the thing
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  and I didn't really even know what it was.
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  I obviously I wasn't trying to flee the country to play a, you
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  know, 100,000 person festival. That wasn't wouldn't be my goal
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  of our fleeing the country wouldn't be to bring 30 cases of
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  instruments and. Go in front of 100,000 people.
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  Yeah, be more undercover. Peru, probably.
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  Yeah, yeah, that would be it. But we, it was for something
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  that we did in the past. I didn't really know this
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  because around this time we were doing a lot of shit, kicking up
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  a lot of dust, getting into trouble, didn't really have
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  anything going on in life. We were just gang banging and
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  having fun. And this was on the very cusp of
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  us getting signed and putting out a record and all this other
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  stuff. So this this would have been the
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  first year of that. So pre pre Roadrunner.
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  This whole occasion would have been pre Roadrunner.
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  So Roadrunner picks us up, we do this record and all this other
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  stuff for the, the thing that ended up coming up was some old
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  thing where someone got messed up in something and it was 6-8
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  months old and then they finally got around to issuing some type
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  of warrant and we didn't know because you, I don't know about
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  you, but I don't constantly have someone checking if I have
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  warrants out. You know what I mean?
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  Lawyer retainers are pretty expensive.
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  I don't, I don't really have someone checking on that a week
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  at that. I didn't have the time anyway.
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  And so we were just flying over, thought it was all good, but
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  apparently it wasn't because they had recently issued a
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  warrant out for this assault or something goofy.
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  And I know had we would have known, we would have just gotten
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  ahead of it. And we tried to get it taken
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  care of before we left, but we didn't know and so they thought
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  we were trying to creep off. Yeah, so you must have been like
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  no fly list and not even known. Yeah, didn't know it.
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  And we, yeah, they, they thought we were trying to, to flee.
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  In my opinion, I, I, I don't flee.
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  So I wouldn't have flown over that anyway because it in my
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  opinion was, it was petty, but I didn't know what it was for.
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  Though around this time there was, you know, our group of
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  friends, there was, you know, there's shootings, stabbings,
• 19:34
  killings out of the house. When they arrested us, I, I
• 19:37
  thought it was serious, like someone died or something
• 19:39
  because it, you know. It was one of the elements.
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  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:43
  So we kind of were just sitting there as you do when you're
• 19:46
  getting arrested. You don't.
• 19:48
  You don't start asking what this might be for.
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  Because they'll be like, what do you mean there's more?
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  Yeah, I just kind of sat there, waited out.
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  something goofy and it, it sucked.
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  It was a it was an absolute celebration when we got into
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  jail because everyone was just, you know, they love to have you,
• 21:08
  but wait, what do you? Mean by that?
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  If you're doing something in life and then you go to jail,
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  you're like a hero, you know? Really.
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  Yeah, well, we, we are already were not heroes, but known in
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  flame. Yeah, it's a small, it's not
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  big. It's it's 90,000 people.
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  So we were already known to that degree.
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  Plus half of my friends and family are in jail.
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  So there's more of them in there than there's out here to, to
• 21:37
  hang out with. But even if they didn't know us,
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  when the the police would, they try to make a big deal out of
• 21:43
  everything you do, you know, which is fine, But they try to,
• 21:48
  you know, put your story out there and, and act like, you
• 21:51
  know, they, they got you. But when people found out that
• 21:54
  we were supposed to be doing something cool like that, they
• 21:57
  just thought, you know, this is awesome to have him in here and
• 22:00
  shit. And you know, like some people
• 22:02
  have like come, look at my cell. I got the lyrics, the whole
• 22:05
  lyrics to this murder, murder, murder carved in my wall.
• 22:08
  You know what I'm saying? And they go, they got all these
• 22:10
  tattoos and like, look at my king shit, you know what I mean?
• 22:13
  There's like a bunch of people in there that that have all that
• 22:17
  stuff going on. So they're they were way happier
• 22:19
  that we were there than we were at than we were at the show.
• 22:21
  But at the same time, they want, they were like, get these
• 22:23
  motherfuckers out here. They don't belong here, you
• 22:25
  know, stuff like that. But after a few, after a little
• 22:29
  while, we got out and then we just spent the 1st year of tour
• 22:33
  flying home on off days to go to court and keep doing that type
• 22:37
  of thing, which I didn't really mind.
• 22:40
  It was. It was fine.
• 22:42
  This is what you got to do. This is what you got to do.
• 22:44
  But I was just happy to be doing the shit, you know, like if
• 22:50
  you're on tour with Korn and Slipknot and all every band that
• 22:53
  you like, going to court on and off days, not really going to
• 22:56
  damper my it's not going to take the wind out of my sails.
• 22:59
  I was walking in court like I owned the court.
• 23:02
  In a slip. Yeah.
• 23:03
  Exactly what's up, motherfuckers?
• 23:05
  Just got back from Birmingham, did 16,000 you know.
• 23:09
  Well, are we in here again? I can't remember which one.
• 23:11
  I don't even know what this is. Yeah.
• 23:13
  That's not before we get off the ayahuasca thing, what we did.
• 23:17
  You go there with a plan because a lot of people that I know that
• 23:20
  have gone down the retreat, they have something real bad in their
• 23:26
  brain and this is like the last resort.
• 23:29
  Usually like addiction or something like that.
• 23:31
  Or something like that's what made me think and you don't do
• 23:33
  drugs. No, I would I would put another
• 23:37
  disclaimer in front of this. I wasn't thrill seeking because
• 23:41
  I I have a few psychologist friends and also just a few
• 23:46
  friends that psychologize and they are under the impression
• 23:50
  sometimes that I have this kind of adrenaline thrill seeking
• 23:55
  thing, but I'm not really sure I agree with that.
• 23:59
  I'm kind of completely at peace and I, I don't there's nothing
• 24:05
  in me that's like a thrill junkie, even though I I do do
• 24:09
  crazy shit, but it's not for an elevated heart rate really.
• 24:13
  It's more more for more of a curiosity than it is about, let
• 24:17
  me have it like I'm not jumping out of a plane to I get a quick
• 24:22
  heart rate. I can get a quick heart rate by
• 24:24
  going on a run. You know what I mean?
• 24:25
  It's not, it's not really adrenaline.
• 24:28
  It's, it's more just exploration and curiosity and just intuition
• 24:34
  and calling. So I, I just have a calling to
• 24:38
  do things and just follow that. I kind of, I've said this
• 24:42
  before, but I just get out of my own way.
• 24:45
  That's why earlier when you said you want to have a gym session,
• 24:49
  I was in the gym. I just left the gym.
• 24:51
  I mean, I've just left the gym, did an hour session, probably on
• 24:57
  the on the leg press because it was the Planet Fitness.
• 24:59
  You know, we love them, but they don't got much going on in
• 25:02
  there, right? So I'll do 2000 reps on a leg
• 25:07
  press machine or something for a leg day or something.
• 25:10
  But then when you hit me up, you're like, Are you sure I
• 25:12
  can't interest you in a deadlift?
• 25:14
  I just can't say something. In your brain.
• 25:15
  Yeah, so, so, and it's not like egotistical, like I'm going to,
• 25:19
  you know, do whatever it was. It's more just like I just
• 25:22
  follow whatever comes up as what I should do.
• 25:27
  And when someone says something to me, like if you were to say
• 25:29
  something like, you know, you sure you can't enter the
• 25:31
  deadlift, I might have got the notion of no, not interested.
• 25:34
  And then I would have followed that.
• 25:36
  I'm not just, you know, running around trying to do shit.
• 25:39
  But I think I went there because I, I was called there to go
• 25:42
  there and I can't explicitly say why, I guess because I don't
• 25:47
  know. I, I heard one time I was, I was
• 25:51
  in Spain and I went for the Sanford Min festival, the
• 25:55
  running, running of the bulls. So because I wanted to do that.
• 26:00
  And I did that for 10 days and I heard this guy near me and he's
• 26:06
  was talking to a camera or a news camera.
• 26:08
  He was doing an interview or whatever and he said something
• 26:11
  like, I can't really explain what this does, but I know that
• 26:17
  it informs every decision I make after it, after doing it.
• 26:20
  So you went and did the. Running of the balls, Yeah,
• 26:22
  Brian, I would like, correct me if I'm wrong.
• 26:24
  That's the thing where they just let a bunch of balls loose and
• 26:27
  you run away from them. You run with them, Yeah.
• 26:29
  And away, away if you, if you're scared or going to get gored.
• 26:33
  But you run, run alongside them. And then you run into the the
• 26:37
  ring in the Plaza. And then, yeah, you run through
• 26:40
  the streets. Sure you're not thrill?
• 26:41
  Seeking I think. I don't think Yeah I know.
• 26:45
  I just thought it was awesome. Is that pre or?
• 26:47
  Post ayahuasca that's PO I think.
• 26:50
  Post ayahuasca maybe post. Ayahuasca.
• 26:52
  Don't quote me on it, but I. Think it's post ayahuasca but
• 26:55
  when that dude said that I didn't know pre ayahuasca, I
• 26:59
  didn't I didn't know this, but I thought that's that's such a
• 27:02
  good way to put it. Spanish guy and he just said the
• 27:06
  running with these bulls informs every decision I I've made after
• 27:09
  since that's the only way I can think about it.
• 27:12
  I can't. I don't really have any
• 27:15
  judgments for anyone. I didn't before I went.
• 27:17
  I don't have any, although I, I am, you know, not perfect and
• 27:21
  funny and whatever, but I don't have any recommendations that
• 27:26
  everyone should do it. I don't have any recommendations
• 27:28
  that they shouldn't. I don't really know because I
• 27:31
  think you should just figure your own.
• 27:33
  I don't. I just go with my.
• 27:35
  I only ask myself about me. I don't.
• 27:38
  I don't know what people should do to be honest.
• 27:40
  But it's really hard to explain and I don't want to be like.
• 27:45
  I come back and. I I know, I know, there's God
• 27:48
  now and da da da da da. I'm not like that anyway.
• 27:51
  I knew there was God before I went and I I'll always know
• 27:53
  there is, but that's just this soul's idea that came into this
• 27:58
  body that did this life. This is just how he feels.
• 28:00
  So that's just kind of kind of what I think about it.
• 28:03
  But I don't have any short little clip to say where it
• 28:10
  could sell the idea or discourage or even encourage
• 28:13
  someone to do it. I would only say that you should
• 28:18
  maybe survey yourself and if you should, you think you should,
• 28:23
  and every of you have this calling to try it.
• 28:27
  I would say don't put. Too much faith in it or don't
• 28:29
  think it's going to save your life.
• 28:30
  That's that's a one issue I have a problem with is I think people
• 28:35
  go there think it's going to save their life.
• 28:37
  And they either come back saying, I know, I know that
• 28:40
  God's real and seen this and I know there's more to this and
• 28:44
  and that helps them And that's cool for that's because again,
• 28:48
  it's their life. Or they say, Oh yeah, I tried
• 28:51
  that shit and it didn't work. And da da, da, da da.
• 28:53
  I'm still addicted. To heroin or whatever, Yeah.
• 28:56
  And I don't really. I don't really believe in that
• 28:59
  and at at the same time being a a practicing magician and.
• 29:04
  I don't believe. In this transfixation on
• 29:08
  inebriation or like drug assisted nose, it's a, it's kind
• 29:16
  of like a crutch. I don't believe that there's
• 29:19
  anything. Well, I, it's not a belief.
• 29:21
  It's true that there's, there's nothing that the chemical does
• 29:24
  to your brain that you can't do to your brain yourself, because
• 29:26
  that's how chemical receptors work.
• 29:28
  You know, obviously it wouldn't work if if you didn't have
• 29:30
  receptors to bind to the these DMT chemicals that are
• 29:34
  endogenously produced in your brain.
• 29:36
  I don't really know how to say it, but because this also sounds
• 29:39
  like I'm against it. I'm not really against it, but I
• 29:41
  don't think that. I come from the school of.
• 29:45
  Thought of magic that you don't need to use drugs to get to
• 29:52
  where you're going basically. So not Crowley.
• 29:54
  Then because he was big on, he's a bit of a wild.
• 29:57
  Guy, right? Yeah.
• 29:59
  And he's big on the inebriation part of the rituals.
• 30:02
  Yeah. Was, was, Yeah.
• 30:05
  And I. I don't have any problems with
• 30:07
  him. I don't have.
• 30:08
  I appreciate everything he's done and, and things like that,
• 30:12
  but I, I don't think that that should be your primary.
• 30:19
  So if you're, if you're looking to understand, you know, more
• 30:23
  subtle realms, subtle bodies and these types of things, you need
• 30:28
  to home and sharpen your senses and your intuition and your
• 30:33
  ability to perceive the things that aren't as thick 3D density
• 30:39
  kind of things. The way to do that's not to be
• 30:42
  on drugs. It's, it's, it's a shortcut and
• 30:44
  it does get you there. But the best way I've heard it
• 30:47
  is it's almost like drunk driving.
• 30:49
  Like you're there, but you're a little bit buzzed behind the
• 30:51
  wheel and you're not necessarily there of your own will volition
• 30:55
  or faculties. You can get a bunch of.
• 30:59
  It's a it's a cheat. Code but and you can get a bunch
• 31:03
  of insight and I'm not saying that no one should do it or that
• 31:08
  I'm against it or even have any judgments for anyone to do it.
• 31:10
  But I don't believe in the primary method of I'm a magician
• 31:18
  or a initiate or a shaman or whatever may be.
• 31:23
  And what I do is get high to get my visions.
• 31:26
  I don't believe in that being the primary thing.
• 31:28
  I think you need a foundation of an of intuition of just
• 31:33
  perception, senses, developing divine senses, ways to divine.
• 31:40
  I'm not talking about divine like spiritual empty.
• 31:42
  I mean ways to divine things like a dividing method.
• 31:47
  I think you should focus on that first before you start playing
• 31:51
  with substances, you know? Yeah, it should be.
• 31:54
  Like a tool to try once you've already been initiated into it.
• 32:00
  Have you done like breathwork stuff before?
• 32:03
  That's one way that I literally so I've done DMT, I've been
• 32:07
  there, I've been to that realm, but with in particular that Wim
• 32:12
  Hof breathing stuff, you know the ice guy.
• 32:15
  I don't do the ice stuff, but the breathing I can almost every
• 32:19
  time hit full like third eye open hallucinations just from
• 32:26
  breathing. And I've had some crazy insane
• 32:30
  visions. Like I had one like I had, it
• 32:35
  was like not not necessarily like spiritual or any of that
• 32:38
  stuff, but I had one and I was literally like I was at the
• 32:40
  Empire State Building. Like I was there and it was in
• 32:44
  an elevator at the Empire State Building.
• 32:45
  I'd never been to the Empire State Building and it was just
• 32:48
  like at the end of my breath work and I have this like weird
• 32:51
  trip out thing and then I come back and that's it.
• 32:53
  And I was like, oh, that's crazy.
• 32:54
  But I was used to it because I would always go and go to these
• 32:57
  weird dream States and there'd be like a situation or whatever.
• 33:01
  Sometimes it would be something completely random.
• 33:04
  And then afterwards I'd be like, oh, I, I need to focus on this
• 33:08
  more in my life as like the vision was nothing to do with
• 33:10
  that. But then post vision it comes up
• 33:13
  in my head, you know, you just knew it.
• 33:16
  Yeah, 100%. But then I went to the.
• 33:18
  Empire State Building for the first time and I'm in the
• 33:21
  elevator. Oh, I just got chills thinking
• 33:22
  about it. I'm in the elevator and I got
• 33:25
  Deja vu and I was like, oh, Deja vu.
• 33:26
  And I was like, no, wait. I was in my bathtub in Glasgow
• 33:31
  last time I was here and I was barking there.
• 33:34
  It was the strangest barking thing.
• 33:36
  I don't think it's strange. I.
• 33:37
  Think that's the real world and this is the dream.
• 33:39
  So I think I think you were there and I think you were there
• 33:45
  again. And if you want, you can go back
• 33:47
  there. But everything is spiritual and
• 33:51
  it was showing you that for that reason to trigger that thing
• 33:56
  that came from it. And that's that's what I'm
• 33:58
  talking about when I when I say things like intuition or a
• 34:02
  knowing or something like that, I'm not talking about going and
• 34:06
  reading someone's book and then just repeating what they said.
• 34:10
  You got the message that you were supposed to get from the
• 34:14
  vision that you were supposed to see from the breath worth that
• 34:16
  you were supposed to be doing. And it told you the thing you
• 34:20
  were supposed to know at the time through your own kind of
• 34:24
  spirits mechanism, through the own the own tools of of what you
• 34:30
  know have have known, whatever it may be.
• 34:33
  If I go to the Empire State Building, it's going to mean
• 34:35
  something totally different. But for you with your toolbox,
• 34:39
  with your toolkit, with your spiritual things that are
• 34:41
  happening, you're shown the stuff you're supposed to be
• 34:45
  shown for the thing that you're supposed to be doing or knowing
• 34:49
  or the thing that might even trigger it, like you said,
• 34:52
  doesn't have anything to do with it.
• 34:53
  You. Just know though.
• 34:55
  You knew what you were supposed to do, what you could have done,
• 35:00
  should have done, would have done whatever.
• 35:01
  And then when you went back, you knew that you were there before.
• 35:05
  And that's pretty much what everyone for thousands of years
• 35:08
  has been talking about that we spend our lives trying to
• 35:11
  disprove. But I I really don't care about
• 35:14
  what what people say about this sounds woo woo or this sounds
• 35:18
  oh, I'm all in on. Woo woo.
• 35:19
  I can. I can go all day on woo woo.
• 35:22
  I just don't understand. When people are going to admit
• 35:25
  that the woo woo conversations have been over with all the
• 35:28
  stuff that they were calling woo woo in the 80s became scientific
• 35:33
  facts in the 90s everything they called woo woo in the 90s is a
• 35:36
  bona fide fact in the 2000s alchemy and.
• 35:39
  Magic back in the day became science.
• 35:42
  Like, yeah. It's crazy.
• 35:45
  It's weird and. Nowadays they're like, well,
• 35:47
  what they were doing wasn't science, this is science.
• 35:49
  And it's like, well, you might want to wonder which one of you
• 35:52
  is the scientists? Because I'm pretty.
• 35:54
  Sure, the Pfizer is not the scientist in this equation.
• 35:59
  Just a guess. I don't know.
• 36:00
  Just listen. I'd rather go with Paracelsus or
• 36:03
  something like that while we're on this.
• 36:05
  Subject because I got I got questions on it because number
• 36:10
  one, you've just answered one of my questions, which is that you
• 36:12
  do believe in God, but I do want to get delve deeper.
• 36:16
  We're going to talk about music at some point.
• 36:17
  Shut the fuck up. I do want to talk about
• 36:19
  spirituality. I know we've just talked about
• 36:21
  it for like 10 minutes, but more specifically.
• 36:25
  You. I can't figure out because we
• 36:28
  don't know each other other than the gym session.
• 36:30
  But I'm a fan of your band. I'm a fan of your lyrics, Big
• 36:33
  fan of your lyrics and but I can't figure it out because you
• 36:38
  talk about God a lot. So I assume you know you believe
• 36:42
  in a God, but I don't know Catholic God, any of that stuff.
• 36:47
  Absolutely not. Didn't think so.
• 36:50
  But I want to, I want to delve into that.
• 36:52
  You mentioned Brahma more than a couple of times.
• 36:56
  Yeah, she's a Hindu God, you say on the song Red Queen.
• 37:00
  I'm here for Satan, so I want to.
• 37:03
  I just, I'm finding out what team you're on and then you got
• 37:06
  some voodoo stuff in there. Yeah, take it you literally.
• 37:10
  So you actually listen to these? Songs.
• 37:11
  Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, so.
• 37:13
  Take it you literally open asking PP Legba to open the
• 37:20
  gates? Papa Legba being the you do.
• 37:24
  He's the keeper of the. Crossroads, the person that you
• 37:26
  contact to get to the to the other side.
• 37:28
  But the Christians just call him Saint Peter.
• 37:30
  He's the gatekeeper, the guy that holds the key, Peter.
• 37:33
  So where do you stand? What's you want me to grab this?
• 37:37
  And give you an elevator pitch. No, no, no.
• 37:40
  Slightly longer than an elevator pitch.
• 37:41
  I just want, I'm just interested.
• 37:43
  I appreciate. All the religions, I appreciate
• 37:46
  all the religions hate when you say this, but I think they're
• 37:50
  all right and all wrong and I'm not on anyone's side and that's
• 37:55
  what they hate. You know, it's the same with the
• 37:56
  same with politics when you say. I'm not AI, don't.
• 38:00
  Like the liberals or I don't like the Republicans and they
• 38:02
  think you're I don't like either of them or I like, I like either
• 38:07
  of them as well. You know, I'd have no problems
• 38:09
  and I don't have any dislikes or likes any more than than one
• 38:13
  over the next. If you want to talk about
• 38:16
  Hinduism, I can talk about that little bit.
• 38:19
  If you want to talk about Catholicism, I can do that or
• 38:23
  whatever you pick. I I got into this as a kid, like
• 38:29
  I said, paganism, Wicca, things like that around a really young
• 38:34
  age. And again, it was a calling it,
• 38:36
  it's what the people around me were doing.
• 38:39
  And I was when I was very young, I was in a gang doing the street
• 38:44
  violence and all this other stuff.
• 38:45
  But I was also doing the witchcraft, which is it's funny
• 38:50
  if you think that humans are like movie characters where they
• 38:53
  only are just one thing. It's it doesn't make much sense
• 38:56
  to be like this is a gang bang and Wiccan but kind of fucking.
• 39:00
  Sake, but now that I. Think about it.
• 39:02
  I've never thought about this until I just said it out loud.
• 39:05
  It is pretty sick. It's.
• 39:07
  So. Fucking sick.
• 39:08
  I don't know, maybe I. Just watched The Crow too much
• 39:10
  as a kid. Yeah, but no, I think it was
• 39:12
  just because I grew up in Flint and that's what was around me
• 39:15
  and Flint, MI. Wiccan hotspot.
• 39:17
  I must have just. Been in the right place at the
• 39:19
  right time, but I don't really think, no, I don't think it's a
• 39:22
  Wiccan hotspot. I think I it was just what
• 39:25
  again, the spirit came into the body.
• 39:27
  This is I'm just following the the rules and what I'm where I'm
• 39:31
  going, doing what I'm supposed to be doing and what I'm going
• 39:33
  where I'm supposed to be going and saying what I'm supposed to
• 39:34
  be saying. I, I was into that for, for
• 39:37
  several years, the paganism, Wiccanism, I'm, I'm still in
• 39:41
  into it. I'm not out of it because I, I
• 39:45
  believe that it's all right. You know, I, I first got into
• 39:48
  the Gerald Gardner. I have to shout out the UKOG of
• 39:53
  this Wiccan shit and. Early, early.
• 39:58
  On child. You know, 11 years old or
• 40:01
  something doing barefoot rituals out in the in the yard and which
• 40:07
  is hilarious because now that's like a health hack.
• 40:10
  You see the grounding? Dudes out here just grounding.
• 40:12
  It's like, yeah, yeah. Oh, you wonder why?
• 40:15
  That works. Yeah, yeah, it's been happening.
• 40:17
  Yeah. Yeah, they.
• 40:18
  They call the bottom of the foot the sole so just think about it.
• 40:21
  I did that for 5/6 years. Who?
• 40:26
  With who's hanging out with me and my friends?
• 40:29
  Oh, in the woods doing what? Making things happen.
• 40:33
  We had to make things happen. So we're doing that.
• 40:35
  We're doing a little gangbang and we're doing a little
• 40:37
  witchcraft. You know things.
• 40:38
  Shit is. I didn't realize it was this.
• 40:40
  Awesome, until I set it out. I just realized.
• 40:44
  I never really talked about this because I think there's no one
• 40:47
  asks when when we first. It's my number one most.
• 40:50
  Interested thing. When I read your lyrics, I'm
• 40:52
  like, this guy's either into demonology, he's into Wicca,
• 40:56
  he's into voodoo, or he's into all of it.
• 40:58
  All of it, Yeah. But I don't like to say all of
• 41:01
  it because it just probably means like, I don't think I'm a
• 41:05
  master of any kind, but it just sounds like I'm a I just call
• 41:08
  them tourists, you know, people that kind of pick up a Wiccan
• 41:11
  book from Scott Cunningham and they're like with really nice.
• 41:14
  Art on it, Yeah. And they?
• 41:16
  Visit for a few weeks and they light a green candle, put it on
• 41:18
  their window sill, think they're going to get some cash later.
• 41:21
  I don't. I don't.
• 41:22
  That's not what I'm talking about.
• 41:23
  But as I got older I can't. Maybe late teens ish.
• 41:30
  I got into voodoo because I dated a girl from Haiti and that
• 41:36
  was what she was into. This was 20s now we're now into
• 41:39
  the in going into the 20s and it gets.
• 41:43
  I was interested in this before. I kind of think I.
• 41:47
  Manifested or. Something not to be corny, but I
• 41:50
  get it. So I was.
• 41:51
  Into this is a very materialistic religion and I was
• 41:57
  super interested initiated in into it for years, and that was
• 42:03
  my practice. And so I moved kind of from the
• 42:09
  rudimentary paganism in in to voodoo for for a long time.
• 42:14
  And I like that place and I like the space and I kind of evolved
• 42:21
  from that into I don't want to almost hermeticism.
• 42:26
  I would I would say it started with the Lima and the golden
• 42:31
  magical, with the Golden Dawn and the A A and temple, the
• 42:35
  Silver Star and stuff like that. All the the Lima stuff based on
• 42:41
  the Golden Dawn stuff and then Crawley's kind of like the
• 42:45
  famous. Dude, everyone knows.
• 42:47
  That's all. Where I.
• 42:48
  Started getting into it as well. It's like when you just you just
• 42:51
  think him and then you go, OK, let me go into that.
• 42:54
  I always. Tell people that start talking
• 42:56
  about Crawley. I'm like I appreciate the guy
• 42:59
  I'm not saying anything but Crawley is not even on my top
• 43:02
  list of 100 top 100 magicians. So I have to say that as AI just
• 43:10
  say that to people so maybe they dig a little deeper.
• 43:14
  I feel like Crowley is a response and I feel like he's
• 43:17
  misunderstood like most people that have half of a common
• 43:21
  sense. But I feel like Crowley is a
• 43:25
  almost like the Baphomet poster child for a rebellious and
• 43:30
  disquieted youth. Yeah, but that's why.
• 43:33
  We will start there. You want to like Where do I?
• 43:34
  Go. Because he calls himself like
• 43:36
  the. Wickedest man on earth, and you
• 43:38
  know the beast, and he is like. Very well branded, yeah, Yeah.
• 43:42
  And he has and he has. Great PR in that in that regard,
• 43:45
  although there are plenty more wicked people.
• 43:47
  I mean in our American government system.
• 43:50
  Aside from that, I kind of gravitated towards Hermetic
• 43:54
  teachings, which I had always been into, you know, the Greek
• 43:58
  stuff, Egyptian stuff as a as a kid reading books on that in the
• 44:01
  library. But when I became into the
• 44:05
  practice, I eventually evolved into the Hermetic stuff, which I
• 44:11
  feel like the Lima is a bit of a grab bag of a bunch of different
• 44:19
  stuff, primarily Egyptian Judaism, Kabbalistic, mystical,
• 44:26
  kabbalistic Judaism. Not necessarily Judaism as in
• 44:31
  Jews or Christians or things like that, but I felt like
• 44:38
  hermetics were a bit more. I don't know how to say this
• 44:43
  because it all sounds pretty goofy saying it.
• 44:46
  There are things that magical systems teach that are true and
• 44:51
  they're verifiable. But I don't really give any
• 44:55
  credence. And this goes for Christianity,
• 44:57
  Hinduism, everyone. I don't think that they own that
• 45:03
  idea or that they created that idea.
• 45:07
  I think they're corroborating it and it predates them.
• 45:10
  So if the idea of as above, so below right is in the hermetics,
• 45:20
  you know it. It doesn't mean if you believe
• 45:23
  as above, so below, then you're a hermeticist.
• 45:25
  You know what I mean? There are plus there are 100
• 45:28
  orders of hermeticists and out there.
• 45:30
  And it's the same with with anything else.
• 45:33
  You know, if you. You know most people?
• 45:36
  You ask? If they believe in God and they
• 45:38
  say, yeah, it's like, OK, so you're a Christian.
• 45:41
  It's it's kind of the question where you can't really answer
• 45:44
  it. So if someone, if I'm sitting at
• 45:46
  a show and someone asks me, so do you believe in God or not?
• 45:48
  I don't believe in having this conversation with you.
• 45:51
  No, no, no. That's what I'm saying.
• 45:52
  I'm not at a show. We're sitting there with this is
• 45:54
  what we're trying to hash some things out.
• 45:56
  If you're 2 beers deep at the bar at a show and a band's
• 46:00
  playing asking me about God, yeah, you don't get in.
• 46:03
  The answer? You're not going to.
• 46:04
  Get a good answer 1 you care about when you like.
• 46:07
  I appreciate the all, all of the religions.
• 46:11
  I I actually try to make an effort to, I don't want to say
• 46:17
  defend or justify because I think there's just as much bad
• 46:21
  about religion as there is good in this modern day.
• 46:24
  I don't think that's how it started.
• 46:25
  Like for example the Christian teaching is called Christian and
• 46:29
  nothing about Christianity is Christ and they lost that a
• 46:32
  while ago. I hear.
• 46:34
  People kind of like biblical apologists out there, even ones
• 46:37
  I like the ones that I really like, I listen to their
• 46:40
  lectures. I I just like stuff about
• 46:42
  biblical stories there. I know there again when I say
• 46:45
  biblical stories, those aren't. The origin of the story.
• 46:49
  Wasn't the Bible? Those are.
• 46:52
  Derivatives. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:53
  That's why they're all they're. All every single religion has
• 46:56
  insane parallels like the same story with different like names,
• 47:02
  places exactly if I. Say, you know, if we're talking
• 47:05
  in Hindu and I say Krishna, I could just talk in Christian and
• 47:08
  say Jesus and or if I was in Egypt, I would just call him
• 47:12
  Osiris. So it's all the same person, But
• 47:14
  it's it's not necessarily I'm not against any of any of these
• 47:19
  things or for them. And when I listen to a lot of
• 47:22
  the people, the apologists, I don't I don't necessarily jive
• 47:25
  with the apologists, how they explain away things.
• 47:30
  I'll just give an example 11 who I found his lectures.
• 47:35
  This is actually pretty funny. I found some lectures, A Jungian
• 47:38
  lectures by Jordan Peterson. I don't know if you ever heard
• 47:41
  of him. Cool Canadian guy.
• 47:43
  And a long time ago, about 10 years ago, before he was not
• 47:48
  even popular, I found his his union lectures for the
• 47:53
  University of Toronto psychology classes.
• 47:55
  They were free. I know.
• 47:57
  Yeah, he had me on these and then he went crazy and I was
• 48:00
  like, oh, I think I'm off this guy now.
• 48:02
  Oh, really? I I I I appreciate him.
• 48:05
  I but I found these union lectures, which I any magician
• 48:10
  is indie young. He's like a cornerstone to to
• 48:13
  magic. And for anyone with a you know,
• 48:17
  it's not necessary and it's not required.
• 48:19
  I'm not saying that, but like westernized magicians in in
• 48:23
  America especially and in Europe.
• 48:26
  So I'm listening to these cool lectures and you know, he has
• 48:30
  this idea that I hear him. He has biblical lectures too,
• 48:33
  and they're pretty good. I like listening to those as
• 48:35
  well, although I don't agree with 50% of the shit he says.
• 48:38
  But I'm not really listening to shit for validation or to get a
• 48:43
  yes man or an attaboy or a pat on the back or like you're,
• 48:46
  you're thinking the right things.
• 48:47
  I'm listening to people's ideas because I just want to hear
• 48:50
  their ideas. Like when you listen to a song,
• 48:52
  you're listening to people's ideas.
• 48:54
  You're not. I don't give a fuck if I agree
• 48:56
  with you or disagree with you. I don't even care what you
• 48:59
  think. I'm listening to the ideas and
• 49:01
  it doesn't have anything to do with you as a person or me as a
• 49:04
  person. But he says this thing and I
• 49:08
  don't even mean to bring it up. It just kind of popped into my
• 49:10
  head where he says that Christianity is this really
• 49:13
  great idea. I'm paraphrasing him because
• 49:17
  it's lasted so long and this idea wouldn't wouldn't have
• 49:22
  stuck around for so long if it weren't such a profound idea.
• 49:27
  And he's right that it has stuck around because it is a profound
• 49:33
  idea. But the idea that stuck around
• 49:36
  is not Christian. It predates that.
• 49:39
  And also the Christian idea stuck around through genocide.
• 49:45
  So it didn't stick around because it was great.
• 49:49
  It stuck around force. And it's still.
• 49:53
  Today, stuck around through force, and that's why.
• 49:59
  Big, you know. Big religious institutions like
• 50:03
  the Catholic Vatican or whatever they choose aside in every war
• 50:05
  and fund aside in every war, they're one of the, you know,
• 50:08
  the the biggest propagators of this stuff.
• 50:10
  And it doesn't matter if you have reasons or justifications
• 50:14
  for it. I'm not talking about that.
• 50:16
  I'm just saying your ideas are surviving through force.
• 50:21
  And even when they're not surviving through force, it's
• 50:23
  sublimated warfare. So like when we go to vote,
• 50:26
  that's sublimated warfare that we're voting because we're not
• 50:28
  actually drawing swords anymore. We're having intellectual
• 50:31
  conversations in schools because we're not actually doing duels
• 50:33
  anymore. This is all just sublimated
• 50:36
  warfare. And it's the same with finance.
• 50:38
  And that's where they they put these finances in places too.
• 50:42
  It's, it's just financial warfare to, to propagate these
• 50:45
  ideas, which again, I don't have any judgments for that.
• 50:48
  That's fine. But circling it back, I
• 50:52
  appreciate all all the religions.
• 50:54
  I try to make everything right as far as when I hear something,
• 50:57
  I'm like, well, how? How could that maybe be true or
• 51:00
  right? Not like it's about being right
• 51:03
  or wrong, but true I guess. Or what might resonate with me
• 51:08
  but after. The and a lot of.
• 51:11
  Religions you'll find after you dive into a bunch are pretty
• 51:16
  consistently similar. You know, there's not too many.
• 51:20
  I always actually think it's funny to bring up how similar
• 51:23
  some are. Like people make fun of Mormons
• 51:25
  for example, Right? Joseph is a Joseph that found
• 51:29
  the tablets, started Mormonism in Utah ish.
• 51:32
  I don't know if it's Joseph. But that's that is Mormons found
• 51:35
  tablets OK, but right and they think that's.
• 51:40
  So crazy or they Scientology is another one where, you know, the
• 51:43
  science fiction wrote, wrote some books and there's these
• 51:46
  levels of whatever in this and all this other stuff and they
• 51:49
  think that's really crazy and it's cool to make fun of as
• 51:51
  well. But what is Islam?
• 51:54
  Muhammad was an illiterate man sitting in a cave that received
• 51:58
  a vision from an Angel that a scribe wrote that he described.
• 52:03
  It happened a little longer ago than Joseph, but it's not any
• 52:07
  different. And that's the fastest growing
• 52:09
  religion in the world. Also true for.
• 52:12
  Thelema. Thelema, because that was given
• 52:15
  to him by an Angel and he transcribed it again.
• 52:19
  Like Crowley went down that route as well.
• 52:22
  Of someone else told me to write this.
• 52:24
  It's like a whole. That's just the go, the go to.
• 52:27
  Yeah. And.
• 52:29
  And when I say stuff like that, I'm not like condescending
• 52:31
  because I believe obviously in angels and even speaking to
• 52:35
  them, you know, I, I can't verify these things for these
• 52:37
  people, but this not for me to verify.
• 52:39
  They, they know what the hell they know.
• 52:41
  And you know, if Crowley says he was visited by his holy guardian
• 52:44
  Angel that he calls Iwas in the Great Pyramid, then it's his
• 52:48
  business. It's not it's not up to me to
• 52:51
  verify. I tend to think that he's
• 52:55
  telling the truth only because you can verify these things
• 52:58
  through your own practice. You don't need to take people's
• 53:01
  word for them. So anyway, I got a little bit
• 53:04
  off but. The Hermetics and.
• 53:08
  And just developing a practice and a lot of the things I like
• 53:14
  about the Hermetic stuff is with Helena Levatsky.
• 53:17
  She kind of made this Theosophy order, which was she included a
• 53:22
  lot of valuable parts of the religion aspect, different ones
• 53:27
  like some Christian, Catholic, but a lot of Hindu and Indian
• 53:31
  stuff. And I just think there's more to
• 53:33
  it. I don't think we understand it
• 53:35
  in the West as as much. We look at these like elaborate
• 53:39
  weird stories, but I just think that's because our story was
• 53:44
  kind of circumcised, no pun intended, and neutered to make
• 53:49
  it less elaborate. So when we read the Bible, it's
• 53:51
  not as fantastical, although if you go to some parts, it does
• 53:55
  get pretty wicked and wild. But yeah, I just I I appreciate
• 54:02
  all of it. I don't picking up on some of
• 54:05
  the questions that you asked before the God.
• 54:11
  Yeah, of course. There's no way you can believe
• 54:13
  in a devil without a God is the devil's a That's what I the.
• 54:16
  Devil's a Christian. What do you mean you believe in
• 54:18
  God? I'm like you have to but I don't
• 54:20
  know what I personally don't know.
• 54:22
  Don't know what God is? Yeah, it's OK.
• 54:25
  If he's inconceivable, I think it's.
• 54:28
  You don't have to know to know. Certainly don't think it's the.
• 54:32
  Christian God, they might have got a bit.
• 54:34
  Carried away with that. But I don't, I don't really hold
• 54:38
  that against them. When when I say things like I'm
• 54:42
  here for Satan, I think people get confused because I'm not
• 54:47
  really a devil worshipper. I never claimed to be and of
• 54:50
  course why would I want to be a worshiper of the guy that's
• 54:54
  losing or going to lose and will always lose because Satan the
• 55:00
  thing that we call Satan is it doesn't really make any sense.
• 55:04
  It's that's from the Arabic word called Chaitan and in the
• 55:07
  Babylonian times and the pre Acadian times they called him
• 55:14
  Ariman and sometimes they call him Lucifer.
• 55:19
  Although Joseph, her and Satan are two different people and.
• 55:24
  He's called a bunch of. Things the son of the morning,
• 55:27
  the light bearer, things like this.
• 55:28
  When you hear someone called the light bearer or the Son of the
• 55:32
  morning, do you think evil it? So it doesn't really.
• 55:36
  Add up and then you realize aside from the people comment
• 55:41
  and act like this is so crazy or that I'm so ignorant for saying
• 55:43
  this, but I'm thoroughly convinced it's my own opinion
• 55:48
  that 40% of the stuff that we. Believe or think?
• 55:52
  Or we think we know is fiction not in a sense of like when I
• 55:58
  read the Bible, it's fiction. I'm not talking about that.
• 55:59
  I'm talking about Lucifer's characteristics are more taken
• 56:05
  from Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno then they are
• 56:11
  the true religions of the world. And that's weird because you
• 56:17
  know that it's not accidental, it's APR campaign.
• 56:20
  I really, truly believe that it's not an accident that we
• 56:25
  identify Lucifer as a horned evil.
• 56:28
  Pointy. Tailed.
• 56:30
  Yeah, only. Turned red in like 1200 or
• 56:34
  something of 1 painter painted in red and then everyone's like,
• 56:38
  well that's the color of the devil now, yeah.
• 56:41
  I don't I don't really really believe that the I like the idea
• 56:46
  of the Ariman who is, you know, they call him evil.
• 56:50
  But in my opinion, evil only exists in this third density
• 56:55
  world that we have. When someone say kills kids,
• 56:58
  we're like they're evil. If someone steals something,
• 57:01
  they're like they're not evil. They're just pores.
• 57:03
  We have all these opinions about evil, but I don't think evil is,
• 57:09
  say we're on this 3D4D5D60, this plane that goes up.
• 57:14
  Evil doesn't go very high, you know, It just can't because I
• 57:22
  think evil is a consequence of ignorance and ignorance is a
• 57:26
  consequence of unbalanced, and that's what the devil.
• 57:33
  That we know the. Thing called Lucifer or the
• 57:35
  thing that they used to call a Rayman, he was imbalanced in
• 57:41
  that he was holy or lopsidedly materialistic.
• 57:48
  That's why we call them carnal pleasures or things.
• 57:52
  Things of the earth are materialistic.
• 57:54
  That's why they say that that this is the devil's playground
• 57:57
  and that God is in heaven, because this is where he.
• 58:01
  All of his manifestations. And things the physical realm is
• 58:03
  the only. Place evil could be anywhere it
• 58:07
  doesn't go. Get very high when we talk about
• 58:10
  Satanism or materialism or whatever it may be.
• 58:16
  There's a bunch of people have different definitions of it,
• 58:19
  which I can't really speak to because I don't know everyone on
• 58:22
  Earth, but he's just an imbalanced, more material
• 58:29
  oriented type of I guess manifestation because it it's
• 58:36
  just you have to have a human being to have evil right you.
• 58:41
  Someone has to do. Something evil.
• 58:42
  It's not like love. If you have no human being, love
• 58:45
  still exists in my this is my opinion.
• 58:47
  People are just going to say this is stupid, but evil isn't.
• 58:52
  You need an act. Oh yeah, because love.
• 58:54
  Can be in a memory love can be anything.
• 58:56
  Yeah, and you can. Have a feeling of love?
• 58:59
  Can you have a feeling of evil, or can you have an effect?
• 59:03
  Maybe when you're killing? The baby maybe, I don't think
• 59:06
  you can feel. Evil.
• 59:07
  I think it's all a byproduct of. I don't know.
• 59:12
  I don't. Know what it is, I don't really
• 59:14
  try to try to get into the the motives about about that, but
• 59:18
  the I guess the way that I would put it is.
• 59:23
  It's just a little bit. Imbalanced.
• 59:25
  And that's what I think about when I think of Lucifer, Devil
• 59:30
  or or whatever. Although I I also believe a few
• 59:34
  things that I just don't think are true, like in a way, and
• 59:39
  this is just for fun. This is not for anyone that's a
• 59:43
  biblical scholar to sit and argue about, but.
• 59:48
  You could say that. Lucifer was the most loyal Angel
• 59:52
  because, and this is what I like about Harry Potter, besides
• 59:55
  being a witch, and I'll tell this devil story up front and
• 59:59
  I'll tell her. Then I'll tell the Harry Potter
• 1:00:01
  one, which I just appreciate. The devil was so loyal to God
• 1:00:06
  that he refused to serve man even when he commanded him to.
• 1:00:11
  How much more loyalty could you ask for?
• 1:00:14
  He was even willing to sacrifice himself because he said I only
• 1:00:18
  serve you. I'm not serving those people.
• 1:00:22
  And he paid for it and you know, he's, he's still paying for it
• 1:00:25
  in that story, in that Christian story, which I just love that my
• 1:00:28
  hair stands up when I say it, but it was the same in in the
• 1:00:33
  Christian story, if you, you can, people don't really know
• 1:00:37
  this, but Judas has a gospel, Mary has a gospel.
• 1:00:40
  There are plenty of Apocrypha gospels that didn't make it into
• 1:00:43
  the Bible. The thing I like about Judas's
• 1:00:45
  gospel and in the in the Gospel of Thomas, which is also an
• 1:00:49
  Apocrypha and. The Harry Potter parallel.
• 1:00:54
  Is we call Judas an Iscariot. We call him the turncoat I I
• 1:00:59
  believe Christ had an other disciples named Judas but the
• 1:01:02
  one that supposedly snitched on him for 50 bucks.
• 1:01:06
  Although he was. Some said the most.
• 1:01:09
  Talented of his disciples, his most favorite and the closest to
• 1:01:16
  him besides Mary, who he was with and they I believe when he
• 1:01:24
  was sitting there in the tent and he said one of you will
• 1:01:28
  betray me. I believe he was giving an order
• 1:01:31
  and the only one true enough to him to set him up because Christ
• 1:01:38
  knew he had to die was Judas and no one else would.
• 1:01:42
  Thomas was a wasn't going to do it.
• 1:01:45
  And what you're about to say, pussy.
• 1:01:48
  Sorry Thomas. I love your book, Thomas.
• 1:01:50
  You're a fucking pussy. I love your book buddy, but.
• 1:01:53
  You just didn't have it and it was Snape and Dumbledore.
• 1:01:56
  It was the same thing. The only one that would kill
• 1:01:59
  Dumbledore and take the hate of everyone in the whole saga was
• 1:02:04
  Snape even though he was on the on their team.
• 1:02:08
  And it was the same with Judas. I believe Jesus was not
• 1:02:13
  surprised and caught off guard. He, Jesus knew what he came to
• 1:02:17
  earth for and he knew that he had to die in the way that he
• 1:02:20
  had to die, or at least that he had to know that we had to know
• 1:02:24
  that he had to die in the way he had to die.
• 1:02:26
  And when he said one of you will betray me, he was saying one of
• 1:02:29
  you will betray me. He wasn't giving a revelation.
• 1:02:32
  He was saying, who's going to do this?
• 1:02:35
  And Judas did it. And he, he didn't do it for
• 1:02:39
  money. He doesn't need money.
• 1:02:40
  No, you know what I mean. These these are followers of
• 1:02:44
  Christ, if you. If.
• 1:02:46
  You choose to believe the story. Some people will just be like, I
• 1:02:48
  don't know what you're fucking talking about.
• 1:02:50
  None of that shit's real. But I don't really care about
• 1:02:53
  that. I'm I, if you read the Gospel of
• 1:02:57
  Judas, the Gospel of Thomas and those those types of things, it
• 1:03:01
  makes it very clear that Christ knew exactly what was going to
• 1:03:03
  happen and he even out outlines it and.
• 1:03:07
  I kind of got off. Track a little bit but I'm
• 1:03:09
  loving it so. Don't worry about it, I.
• 1:03:12
  Just think, you know, the devil is not some goofy person on a
• 1:03:16
  wine bottle trying to get you to do.
• 1:03:19
  It's easy to blame someone like that, but I don't, I don't think
• 1:03:22
  I'm possessed by the devil or doing any devil worship.
• 1:03:27
  Using the imagery, for example, sometimes we use that type of
• 1:03:31
  imagery that's there's, it's very obviously.
• 1:03:35
  There's a reason behind. All of it.
• 1:03:37
  I can't tell you what the reason is because we use it
• 1:03:40
  contextually different. Different, you know, in
• 1:03:43
  different contexts. Like I, we were listening, we
• 1:03:47
  were talking about that song Noonday Demon earlier.
• 1:03:49
  I wanted to get into that. We can get into the now because
• 1:03:51
  people are going to be so annoyed we haven't talked about
• 1:03:53
  music. Oh yeah.
• 1:03:55
  It's. About depression.
• 1:03:56
  Yeah, it has nothing. They, you know, there's a tome
• 1:03:59
  of a book. It's clinical.
• 1:04:00
  I wouldn't recommend it. It's dry.
• 1:04:02
  Sorry, whoever wrote it. I wouldn't.
• 1:04:04
  I don't recommend it. It's called the Noonday Demon.
• 1:04:06
  It's about depression. It's about the demon that visits
• 1:04:09
  you at noon. The idea of the song is about
• 1:04:11
  depression, although it does talk into more spiritual things,
• 1:04:15
  but it you mentioned Solomon. In there.
• 1:04:18
  Let's hear Solomon. That was actually the giveaway.
• 1:04:20
  I was like, oh, this is a magic man.
• 1:04:22
  Yeah, anyway. I digress.
• 1:04:24
  Carry on. So this the.
• 1:04:27
  Name of the song is actually about depression and I just
• 1:04:31
  thought it was poetic to. You know, refer to this guy.
• 1:04:34
  As the sunlit ghost because that's to me what depression is.
• 1:04:40
  That's why it says the demon comes at noon and it's not like
• 1:04:43
  a dark or a goofy whatever. It's way deeper than that.
• 1:04:48
  Any time you listen to a, even though it's hilariously comical,
• 1:04:53
  like I'll say fuck and shit and bitch and stuff and some of the
• 1:04:57
  king shit is like, I don't want to say satire, but almost like
• 1:05:02
  I. Don't.
• 1:05:05
  Want to say character either because it's it's serious, but I
• 1:05:09
  don't write things on paper. So when I say things, it's how I
• 1:05:13
  would say them. So you don't write on paper.
• 1:05:16
  The songs. So obviously, if any person with
• 1:05:21
  common sense and I, I have a contrary to popular belief, I
• 1:05:25
  have like a tiny bit of common sense, right.
• 1:05:27
  If I'm sitting down and writing a song and.
• 1:05:32
  Let me just pick. Funny lyrics like in alpha and
• 1:05:36
  Omega. I'll just say one that everyone
• 1:05:38
  knows. It's my favorite song I'm not
• 1:05:40
  writing out, bitch. I am the powers that be.
• 1:05:45
  I'm just saying it. But what are you even?
• 1:05:47
  Writing. I am the powers that be.
• 1:05:48
  No, not writing anything. You don't write lyrics.
• 1:05:51
  Down. No, no, no, no.
• 1:05:52
  It's. Just a play.
• 1:05:53
  You just do what you're supposed to do.
• 1:05:55
  You just hit record. Yeah, well, I'll.
• 1:05:57
  Listen to the thing and I'll sit there and I might even write
• 1:06:03
  down just ideas, themes, some colors, some thoughts I'll
• 1:06:09
  consider. Consider the similarities
• 1:06:13
  between Judas the Iscariot and Snape and just.
• 1:06:17
  Or or just have a. Think or have a meditation or
• 1:06:19
  maybe even do some hypertrophic breathing or some, you know,
• 1:06:23
  Hatha or Raja yoga type of vibe kind of tap in.
• 1:06:27
  I'm getting I'm listening to the music, I'm doing all that stuff
• 1:06:30
  and then I just start building it and what I want to say and
• 1:06:34
  then I say it naturally, which I I would just be huffing my own
• 1:06:37
  farts, but it sounds natural the way that I say it.
• 1:06:41
  That's why I'm so. Fucking shocked I think when you
• 1:06:43
  write. Something down, you lose it and
• 1:06:46
  people just think that that's goofy.
• 1:06:48
  But when I read words on a page, nothing in me gets excited like
• 1:06:52
  lyrics. I mean to songs it's it's so
• 1:06:55
  goofy and when you say it how you want to say it and just with
• 1:06:59
  words without being because when you we do the same thing.
• 1:07:02
  When you're texting you, you're editing as you're writing.
• 1:07:05
  But that's because I'm stupid. Yeah, no, but you.
• 1:07:08
  Know you know when you're putting together a piece of
• 1:07:10
  writing, you're. Thinking about.
• 1:07:12
  It but when we're talking right now, I'm not thinking, I'm not
• 1:07:15
  thinking about anything. I'm just words are just coming
• 1:07:17
  out of my mouth and that's what I want the songs to feel like.
• 1:07:20
  So the the point of me saying that is I'm not writing this
• 1:07:27
  some of this goofy shit out and I'm just kind of letting it flow
• 1:07:32
  through. And now that I told you I wasn't
• 1:07:34
  thinking, I'm going to forget what the question was.
• 1:07:36
  No, but no. We're just talking about Noonday
• 1:07:38
  Demon and you, you told me you don't write lyrics down, and I
• 1:07:41
  caught you up because I'm need that info right now.
• 1:07:45
  I'm like, sometimes when you're singing, I guess it's singing.
• 1:07:50
  Yeah, yeah, whatever. Talking and screaming.
• 1:07:52
  Or whatever. Sometimes you sound like you're,
• 1:07:56
  you're speaking human words, but there's like a rasp, like you're
• 1:08:00
  speaking in tongues. And now you tell me that you
• 1:08:04
  don't write the words down. I'm like this motherfucker is
• 1:08:08
  conjuring shit. Yeah, well, there's some.
• 1:08:10
  Conjuring in there for the ether.
• 1:08:12
  I think that's. Yeah, maybe it's from spending
• 1:08:15
  too many years out of voodoo ceremonies and things like that
• 1:08:17
  to where now I'm, I think I'm, I'm really spitting.
• 1:08:20
  As the kids say, you are, you are.
• 1:08:22
  You are though mate, you are spitting well I.
• 1:08:25
  Also, believe in the tone or the tambour and the tonality of the
• 1:08:28
  words. That's what I'm saying when you
• 1:08:29
  write something on paper. I appreciate poetry because
• 1:08:33
  poetry is to be read. Songs are to be sang that
• 1:08:36
  they're not made to be written down.
• 1:08:38
  You're not supposed to fucking write that down.
• 1:08:41
  It's not. That's not what it's for.
• 1:08:43
  It kills it. And you think of verbs and
• 1:08:45
  adjectives. Oh, I put the in there.
• 1:08:47
  Why did I put AI might have to take a out.
• 1:08:48
  The syllabic value doesn't work with the line.
• 1:08:51
  There's 4 beats here, There's a six.
• 1:08:53
  Why did I put a three syllable word before A5?
• 1:08:55
  What is this, a fucking haiku da da da da da?
• 1:08:58
  When you're just talking and you hear the music and you start
• 1:09:00
  spitting. Then you're like, why did my
• 1:09:05
  voice just. Change tone.
• 1:09:06
  It's because the music told it to.
• 1:09:08
  I'm not thinking oh what if I do AC note?
• 1:09:11
  I don't even know what a fucking C note is.
• 1:09:13
  It's surprise. I know it's $100 bill but I
• 1:09:16
  don't know what AC note or AB note or AD note.
• 1:09:19
  You know this surprises me. So much because you're obviously
• 1:09:21
  well read, well spoken. I'd imagine that you wanted to
• 1:09:25
  get it down and perfect on paper, but no.
• 1:09:28
  This is cool. How?
• 1:09:29
  Long does it take you to track an album?
• 1:09:30
  Then how long? We just did our album.
• 1:09:33
  In four hours wait, so hang. On every lyric.
• 1:09:37
  Can't have been off the Dome. Were these Oh, no, no, these
• 1:09:40
  were demoed. Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Yeah. Yeah, otherwise you.
• 1:09:43
  Like to write 1 the most. Talented man on the.
• 1:09:45
  Planet if I have some. Music that I like.
• 1:09:50
  It doesn't take more than 4030 minutes of song to finish.
• 1:09:56
  From nothing to done to complete.
• 1:09:58
  Damn. That's fast, but it's hard to
• 1:10:00
  find a good piece. Of music that you appreciate or
• 1:10:02
  to write 1 you know, that's that's a little bit harder for
• 1:10:04
  me. I don't like I I just did a
• 1:10:08
  project, it was last year with Landon, my friend from Platinu,
• 1:10:12
  and it's so sick. And this was maybe the easiest.
• 1:10:17
  It's the same when I work with Josh where they'll write a piece
• 1:10:21
  of music that I just love and I can do the vocals, lyrics and
• 1:10:26
  performance in 10 minutes or something.
• 1:10:30
  Pretty much if I fall in love with this, with the song when
• 1:10:33
  and it worked with him because they're both writers and
• 1:10:36
  producers and it works that it works that way with Josh for
• 1:10:40
  most of our records as well. Especially, you know, since
• 1:10:44
  we've been working together since the very first record.
• 1:10:46
  Sometimes he'll be like, check this out and I'll be like, it's
• 1:10:49
  done. Turn the mic on.
• 1:10:52
  That happens more times than it don't happen.
• 1:10:55
  But when something doesn't? Strike me.
• 1:10:57
  I'm just like, I just save that, put it in a folder for later,
• 1:11:00
  you know, see if it strikes. You a different time, yeah, but.
• 1:11:04
  The point is I have this kind of thing and when I think about
• 1:11:11
  something like new to demons, the demon comes at noon, the
• 1:11:15
  singing of the tune, it just unpacks this thing, this kind of
• 1:11:20
  the scaffolding of thoughts. And and, and I wanted to make it
• 1:11:26
  clear I'm not talking about religion or science or things
• 1:11:30
  like that. I just go straight to the
• 1:11:32
  spiritual fact with fact to me. People will argue with this.
• 1:11:37
  I mean, people are getting killed for this right now over
• 1:11:40
  there. But when it the opening line is
• 1:11:44
  God gave me this life so I could fuck up.
• 1:11:46
  So I don't believe that anyone's going to hell or heaven or
• 1:11:51
  anything like that, because those ideas are just human ideas
• 1:11:54
  for earth. It doesn't.
• 1:11:55
  God doesn't give a fuck about you should do your best and you
• 1:11:59
  should be the best, whatever. But the human experience is to
• 1:12:02
  be experienced. And we wouldn't have all the
• 1:12:05
  good in the world that there wasn't all the evil in the
• 1:12:07
  world. And it's shouldn't be your role
• 1:12:10
  to see if you can do all the evil that you can.
• 1:12:14
  I don't think that's not what I'm telling people to do.
• 1:12:16
  That's not what I try to do anyway.
• 1:12:18
  But also I don't believe evil judgment and condemnation and
• 1:12:23
  Hellfire and all the other stuff is.
• 1:12:27
  Waiting at the end of the. Road and I don't believe this is
• 1:12:29
  the only life, obviously. I think.
• 1:12:31
  I think it's when we were kids, reincarnation was like
• 1:12:34
  controversial. Now everyone just is like, yeah,
• 1:12:38
  the reincarnation thing, yeah. Like it's just a coffee.
• 1:12:41
  Table talk and is that what you believe?
• 1:12:44
  I know that it's true. No.
• 1:12:46
  Categorically, no. Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  See, I don't know what I believe.
• 1:12:49
  How do you know? Just experientially.
• 1:12:52
  Leave leaving your body visiting other.
• 1:12:56
  A scientist person would just say that this is an imagination
• 1:12:59
  or a dream. But I would just say that the
• 1:13:02
  scientific person is the dream and the dream is the real world.
• 1:13:06
  Some people call it astral travel or out of body, or that's
• 1:13:09
  what I think I did. With.
• 1:13:12
  The Empire State Building. But like it was still me so easy
• 1:13:16
  on a different timeline. Anyone who is into?
• 1:13:18
  This knows that it's funny when people say it's still me because
• 1:13:22
  you are you. So you have to understand your
• 1:13:25
  name might not be Craig and your name might not be Reynolds, but
• 1:13:29
  you were Craig before you were Craig, and before that you were
• 1:13:32
  Craig, a different Craig. Before that it was a different
• 1:13:35
  Craig. So this isn't life.
• 1:13:36
  One this is multiple no this. This could be life one for you.
• 1:13:41
  I don't know. I haven't checked you out.
• 1:13:42
  We haven't ran your numbers yet. But what I'm saying is in your
• 1:13:46
  last carnation, you you might not have had the painted nails
• 1:13:50
  in the hand taps, but you were still you.
• 1:13:52
  And this is just a human experience and you're going
• 1:13:55
  through these expressions and what what would it be like if
• 1:13:58
  you were playing a video game where you had endless lives?
• 1:14:00
  See that's. That's more what I think, but I
• 1:14:04
  I would love to at least in between lives.
• 1:14:10
  See what my true? Form is do you know what I mean?
• 1:14:12
  Like if I die, I think I subscribe more to like
• 1:14:15
  simulation theory then and how that links in with magic and
• 1:14:22
  everything in the way that we can manipulate the world through
• 1:14:26
  thought and free will. I think my most the way that I
• 1:14:32
  can make that into the logic in my brain is some kind of
• 1:14:35
  simulation theory. I think that works for.
• 1:14:38
  Modern day age, but you will know or you should know that the
• 1:14:42
  Hindus just called it reincarnation and sort of the
• 1:14:45
  Chinese and then everyone else on earth, we Westerners that.
• 1:14:50
  Turn everything into. A computer reference people.
• 1:14:53
  Believe Nicholas. Bostrom wrote the simulation
• 1:14:55
  theory in the 90s, and that's what we're in, and it was a
• 1:14:58
  breakthrough in physics and a very cool quantum discovery.
• 1:15:01
  I guess it really is. Just reincarnation, right?
• 1:15:05
  But let me just in the Bible, when he says there's nothing new
• 1:15:08
  under the sun, that's what he means.
• 1:15:11
  He means you can call it, you know, you can be a fan of
• 1:15:13
  Nicholas Bostrom and you can say that the simulation theory is
• 1:15:16
  the simulation. You can love Bray Kurtz well and
• 1:15:18
  claim that he's going to download consciousness on a chip
• 1:15:20
  and everyone's going to be living forever.
• 1:15:23
  But Google can throw all that money to me because I got I got
• 1:15:27
  the answer and we already are living forever.
• 1:15:30
  I've never thought. That it's just reincarnation
• 1:15:32
  without computers. That's all we do.
• 1:15:34
  Is kind of computerize everything.
• 1:15:36
  So just think about we call a massive amount of thoughts that
• 1:15:40
  come to us downloads. We call what is inside that
• 1:15:44
  computer memory. That computer has no memory.
• 1:15:46
  It never will. It just can't.
• 1:15:48
  That's not how things that's not how things work.
• 1:15:50
  Memories aren't even stored in here.
• 1:15:51
  So how are they in stored in there, right?
• 1:15:54
  We call the thing that we've touched a keyboard.
• 1:15:56
  It's not a key to anything, you know what I mean?
• 1:15:59
  So we call it these. Everything that.
• 1:16:04
  We, we kind of computerize everything into that type of, I
• 1:16:11
  don't know, thinking. So that's why we think
• 1:16:13
  simulation theory is so interesting, but it's not.
• 1:16:16
  There's, there's pictures describing simulation theory
• 1:16:19
  carved in a wall in India, 7000 years old.
• 1:16:22
  You can think about it differently or, or whatever.
• 1:16:25
  I don't I think in a way though. It does make more people be able
• 1:16:29
  to understand even. I didn't even fucking put it two
• 1:16:32
  and two together with it being reincarnation, but like
• 1:16:36
  conceptually in this digital age.
• 1:16:40
  It is maybe. A better gateway to thinking
• 1:16:43
  like that because you are work with computers and stuff like
• 1:16:46
  that and just think well, that's the weight of our.
• 1:16:48
  Language right. So I think if the Christians
• 1:16:51
  that was their their language and the the and that's why the
• 1:16:54
  story. Changes the Islam's the Indians.
• 1:16:56
  They had the Hindu and this is their language and this is their
• 1:16:58
  thing. And the Egyptians had the Nile
• 1:17:00
  River and the things. This is the language of their
• 1:17:03
  time. And we can.
• 1:17:04
  We can use the of our time. It's less cool.
• 1:17:08
  It's way less cool. So less cool.
• 1:17:10
  Yeah, maybe in like 2000 years this will be cool and there'll
• 1:17:15
  be like super nerds and they'll have a new theory for it.
• 1:17:19
  They will have to be super. Nerds, right?
• 1:17:21
  But they'll laugh at us. At how?
• 1:17:24
  Stupid we were. Just like we we laugh at the
• 1:17:27
  people in the ME. And you will be on a different
• 1:17:30
  plane, having this exact same conversation about old
• 1:17:34
  knowledge. While we've all got this new
• 1:17:35
  knowledge, we're still talking about the old knowledge.
• 1:17:38
  Yeah, but I think when? You said something like, I'd
• 1:17:40
  like to know what the person in between lives is like and when
• 1:17:44
  and when you said what is or who is God.
• 1:17:48
  You can't know the person in between.
• 1:17:50
  You can't know what God is because God is is God and he
• 1:17:52
  knows you. And you know, to say that you're
• 1:17:55
  going to know him is like saying that you're going to know
• 1:17:57
  yourself. It doesn't make any sense, but.
• 1:18:01
  The person in between. Lives is is used and it's easily
• 1:18:06
  knowable and you know him often and since time is kind of a
• 1:18:10
  human made thing, you're knowing him right now and there's easy
• 1:18:14
  ways to to know him while you're still living in this body as
• 1:18:17
  well. But the goal is not really to
• 1:18:20
  know him. He he came down here in Craig's
• 1:18:23
  body to rock on some drums and do this thing and do his thing
• 1:18:27
  for this experience. Get rid of the depression.
• 1:18:29
  Then bro, do me a favor, do me the good shit, yeah?
• 1:18:33
  Well, putting the putting the whole fix, the quick fix is not
• 1:18:39
  that's not great. It's it's kind of like if you're
• 1:18:41
  playing Contra and you're just side scrolling, you you have
• 1:18:46
  unlimited lives and you want to be like, beat the game for me.
• 1:18:50
  Who the fuck would do that? Yeah, true.
• 1:18:52
  Wouldn't you want to play the fucking game?
• 1:18:54
  And then you're like, well, I got unlimited lives.
• 1:18:56
  Let me see what it'd be like to die on the first enemy.
• 1:18:59
  Because I'm I'm not bored. I've beat it a few times or or
• 1:19:02
  or maybe not it usually not that way.
• 1:19:04
  Usually you have to work through it.
• 1:19:06
  What's but what's the point of where you will, if you don't
• 1:19:09
  have to work through experientially your life and you
• 1:19:13
  know, through experience and stuff.
• 1:19:16
  I'm sure there are plenty of people that can come and give
• 1:19:21
  you a hand. That's why we're trying to
• 1:19:24
  summon angels inside of the pyramids like Crowley.
• 1:19:27
  But most people don't spend their life doing that.
• 1:19:29
  Most people spend their life reading text messages and shit
• 1:19:33
  video games. I do like video games, but
• 1:19:35
  there's a time and a place, and it is exactly after dinner.
• 1:19:41
  That's my time and my place, right?
• 1:19:42
  I need to talk about your fucking album or else everyone's
• 1:19:45
  going to be annoyed. Do people like when you talk?
• 1:19:46
  About music the most, No. OK.
• 1:19:49
  I was. Just curious because I wouldn't
• 1:19:50
  think that because it's so boring these days that I would.
• 1:19:53
  I would wonder why music would be the.
• 1:19:57
  Primary I. Personally love.
• 1:19:59
  It when we don't talk about music, but I do want, I
• 1:20:01
  genuinely want to know some stuff about your music.
• 1:20:05
  And then I've also made the press agent happy and everything
• 1:20:10
  else, you know what I mean? So is the record called Rust
• 1:20:14
  Belt Numel? Yeah, that's the name of the
• 1:20:15
  album. No.
• 1:20:16
  Click no editing one take or is it 1 take?
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  Like 1 take per song or did you do multiple takes?
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  We did 2. Takes of each song and we only
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  did 2 takes of each song because we had 50 people there in the
• 1:20:35
  studio and so everyone had these cans.
• 1:20:38
  Oh really? It was like.
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  A It wasn't no bullshit. Yeah, it was.
• 1:20:41
  We had 50 pairs of headphones, chairs sitting there watching
• 1:20:46
  the recording, which most people would be like.
• 1:20:49
  That's fucking up the artistic process, but I think that's
• 1:20:52
  cool. I think it's, I think it's kind
• 1:20:54
  of. Cool.
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  It's kind of exclusive. It's kind of like a show.
• 1:20:57
  It's kind of live and it's kind of like the mood that I was in.
• 1:21:03
  This kind of came to me when I was in Egypt in December.
• 1:21:06
  I went for a month and I stayed for Sorry to laugh.
• 1:21:10
  It's just fucking funny. I'm trying to talk about
• 1:21:12
  something else. Well, actually it's came to me
• 1:21:14
  when I was in Egypt. I'll give you a Cliff note.
• 1:21:17
  So I, I smell I like it. I'll do a brief SparkNotes.
• 1:21:20
  I spent a month in Egypt from December to January, the
• 1:21:23
  Christmas, New Year's, I'm a Capricorn.
• 1:21:25
  My birthday is December 30th. So I spent my birthday actually
• 1:21:29
  from 2:00 AM to 5:00 AM in the Great Pyramid alone.
• 1:21:32
  Like oh wow. Yeah.
• 1:21:34
  So this is tapping in, yeah? And it was a New Capricorn moon.
• 1:21:38
  This wasn't when I had this vision.
• 1:21:40
  I had a bunch of other visions. And I just spent three hours
• 1:21:43
  alone, you know, meditating this Queen's chamber, the King's
• 1:21:46
  chamber, the subterranean chamber, all these places.
• 1:21:48
  You can't go in in there all night, in the middle of the
• 1:21:51
  night. How did you do this?
• 1:21:52
  You have to contact the government of Tourism and
• 1:21:59
  Antuities to get a inspector and a permit and they will let you
• 1:22:05
  in. You didn't like break in.
• 1:22:08
  You can't break in. You can, maybe you have talent,
• 1:22:11
  but I just, I don't. Think.
• 1:22:15
  They will guaranteed let you in. I think I worked on it for six
• 1:22:18
  months and it was thousands of dollars, but it was important
• 1:22:23
  and. Don't get me wrong, I don't.
• 1:22:26
  I think. It's.
• 1:22:28
  It's also not. Important to do that if you
• 1:22:30
  don't feel like it, but it's what I wanted to do anyway.
• 1:22:33
  And so how I wanted to spend my birthday and and things like
• 1:22:35
  this. And this, this isn't what the
• 1:22:37
  download that I got that day. I was just saying when I was
• 1:22:40
  there, I had this this kind of this vision and it was a cool
• 1:22:49
  idea to to do this album this way.
• 1:22:53
  So it said I'm the solstices and the equinox.
• 1:22:59
  So March, June, September, you'll make an album, 9 songs, 3
• 1:23:04
  songs, 999. It's the 2025 of the year of the
• 1:23:09
  9, you'll have 3 records that come on these, the equinox and
• 1:23:16
  solstice are like assembled across where there's four of
• 1:23:18
  them. How the earth sits.
• 1:23:20
  You make these records. It's just what you're supposed
• 1:23:23
  to do. That's that's not, I'm not going
• 1:23:25
  to say what happened, but I just had this inside of Why not?
• 1:23:32
  I'm cool with. Saying 90% of stuff, but some
• 1:23:36
  stuff I don't really know how to say it and you it's.
• 1:23:41
  Not good juju to say it now before you've done it all.
• 1:23:43
  Surely I don't mind that. Because it's it was also a
• 1:23:46
  challenge when I heard this. It's almost like someone else
• 1:23:49
  telling it to me. I'm like, there's no fucking way
• 1:23:51
  you think someone can make 3 records in a year.
• 1:23:53
  This is hilarious because I don't really like The Beatles,
• 1:23:58
  but the instant I said, do you think someone can make three?
• 1:24:01
  I'm talking to my subconscious at this point because I've been
• 1:24:04
  talking to that thing for like 30 years.
• 1:24:06
  The minute I said it said The Beatles did it and I'm like,
• 1:24:10
  which I, which is hilarious because I didn't know they did
• 1:24:12
  it because I don't know anything about them, because I don't like
• 1:24:15
  them. You know what I mean?
• 1:24:16
  You sure that was your? Subconscious, you were talking
• 1:24:18
  to a great pyramid. It could have been the English.
• 1:24:22
  Ambassador and no I. Meant more like a fucking demon
• 1:24:26
  it could have been. No, no, yeah.
• 1:24:29
  If it was talking about The Beatles, yeah, I'm sure it was a
• 1:24:31
  demonic, you know, Yoko, she's that's a witch right there.
• 1:24:36
  Dark 1. I had this insight and it's
• 1:24:39
  like, you're going to do these records and this, you're going
• 1:24:41
  to do them this way da da, da da.
• 1:24:43
  And I can't remember if I was thinking or if I was just tired,
• 1:24:47
  maybe I don't really recall which came first.
• 1:24:50
  But it was kind of, I think everyone on earth is kind of
• 1:24:53
  tired of the homogeneity the and especially in this type of
• 1:24:59
  music. We were talking about it a
• 1:25:00
  little bit at the gym while we got into this music because it
• 1:25:04
  was kind of iconoclastic and it was a little against the grain
• 1:25:06
  and it was kind of rough around the edges and it was kind of
• 1:25:11
  anti establishment, right? And now it's just nothing.
• 1:25:15
  But it's just a bunch of old crybaby dudes, like tatted from
• 1:25:20
  head to toe crying because other dudes like their feelings.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah, exactly. Which is disgusting or you you
• 1:25:27
  have like crazy black metal dudes dressed up in spikes and
• 1:25:34
  blood pig vomit all over them while they're playing live
• 1:25:38
  upside down crosses and complaining about Trump on
• 1:25:41
  Twitter. I just we got to lose one of
• 1:25:43
  these things. You know, it's just it's just
• 1:25:47
  goofy. So the the point being, I don't
• 1:25:53
  know if I was thinking this at the time or if it's just a
• 1:25:56
  response to just do something challenging because we have a
• 1:26:01
  click track when we play live. Not always, but we have one.
• 1:26:06
  And we will also have all of our backing tracks of the crazy
• 1:26:13
  production that we try to put in.
• 1:26:14
  Songs, noises that aren't even instruments, stuff like all of
• 1:26:18
  the cinematic stuff and all the extra stuff we want to.
• 1:26:21
  That's the stuff that we like, but I thought it would be
• 1:26:25
  challenging to do something with none of that.
• 1:26:29
  So there's no programming, there's no keyboard, there's no
• 1:26:31
  quantizing. We're not.
• 1:26:33
  We'll do. Edits.
• 1:26:35
  Like add compression. We'll do things like, well, I
• 1:26:38
  mean like. Chopping, I can hear that.
• 1:26:40
  It's not like obviously it's impossible to do if you're
• 1:26:43
  playing. It's recorded live, popping
• 1:26:45
  everything up, putting it on the grid.
• 1:26:46
  So it becomes very stagnant. Yeah.
• 1:26:49
  And it's. Not good.
• 1:26:51
  But we had some problems in this building.
• 1:26:53
  There was a hum and we couldn't get rid of this hum.
• 1:26:55
  So we spent, we only did different.
• 1:26:57
  Yeah, exactly. So for two days we, we, we had
• 1:26:59
  one day to prep and then one day to record.
• 1:27:02
  So prep just means set up amps and we could not get rid of this
• 1:27:08
  humming. And we were using 1990 DoD era
• 1:27:14
  pedals. So this is the grunge DoD
• 1:27:16
  distortion, the Super distortion, the American metal,
• 1:27:19
  the envelope filter, the all the old classics we all had as kids
• 1:27:22
  just to make it the same idea theme for the feel for the
• 1:27:26
  record and real pedals. You know, I spent all day
• 1:27:30
  cleaning them, got them independent power sources,
• 1:27:34
  independent wiring, all this other stuff to make sure it was
• 1:27:36
  as good as possible for the sound, the clarity.
• 1:27:40
  Try to do as as much as we could by way of that.
• 1:27:43
  And then also so that everyone listening would have a halfway
• 1:27:46
  decent recording to listen to without being so processed that
• 1:27:50
  we spent the whole day trying to get rid of this hum and we
• 1:27:52
  couldn't. So this is a long way of saying
• 1:27:55
  the guitar tone on this album sucks.
• 1:27:57
  Flat out sucks. I'm not even going to sit and
• 1:28:00
  act like anyone in the band thinks it's cool.
• 1:28:03
  It's shot because we didn't get to dial in a tone the the whole
• 1:28:07
  first day was supposed to be set your amp up, which takes 5
• 1:28:10
  minutes. Unbelievable amps, doctor ZS she
• 1:28:13
  like this like cool boutique amps, which some people would
• 1:28:16
  say is the problem, but it wasn't.
• 1:28:19
  And spend most of the day getting the tones and then
• 1:28:23
  basically running logistics where you're thinking you know,
• 1:28:26
  you have to have someone sit in 50 chairs and make sure 50 sets
• 1:28:28
  of headphones work and shit like that right?
• 1:28:32
  So we spent all day trying to get rid of this hum and this
• 1:28:36
  fucking guitar tone is shot the bit.
• 1:28:38
  The bass tone is good, the drums sound good.
• 1:28:40
  I didn't think it was that bad it.
• 1:28:42
  Didn't stick out. At me I definitely and I'm one
• 1:28:45
  to go like that sucks. Didn't stick out me.
• 1:28:48
  It sounded raw. Then we were thinking.
• 1:28:50
  Well, that sounds raw, so yeah, I mean.
• 1:28:53
  Look at like the first self-titled Korn album.
• 1:28:56
  Like it's growling, though. It's growling, yeah, but it's
• 1:28:59
  like. Objectively not good, but it's
• 1:29:02
  crawling. That's what I mean.
• 1:29:03
  So you were like giving yourself shit?
• 1:29:05
  I don't know, I wish it was crawling.
• 1:29:07
  Well, why don't? You you've got three more to do
• 1:29:11
  2 more 2. More.
• 1:29:12
  Wait, so hang on, they're not released on the Equinox?
• 1:29:16
  No, they're recorded. On the equinox, it's important
• 1:29:19
  to record them on the Yeah. That makes more sense.
• 1:29:22
  So we. Recorded it March 23rd.
• 1:29:24
  The next one is June 20 when I have to check that out.
• 1:29:29
  But it's really raw. And like I said, I don't know.
• 1:29:33
  I can't remember in the vision. Was it a response to the
• 1:29:36
  Homogeneous? I just get again, just to rehash
• 1:29:40
  because we kind of got off track.
• 1:29:41
  Like the reason why I'm into this and like this and the
• 1:29:44
  reason why King is king in the way that it is.
• 1:29:46
  And it's all fucked up and people think it's all whack and
• 1:29:49
  people think it's crazy that I'm at January 6th or that we make
• 1:29:52
  pornography music videos or that we make, you know, all the
• 1:29:56
  things that we do. It's like, this is what we like
• 1:29:59
  about this. This is like, well, to me, it's
• 1:30:03
  who I am. So it's, it's kind of dissing me
• 1:30:06
  when they, when they say this, but I don't care because that's
• 1:30:08
  the, that's like what I signed up for.
• 1:30:10
  It doesn't hurt my feelings, but I'm pretty white trash.
• 1:30:15
  And that's just, I'm just into wild shit and doing stuff.
• 1:30:21
  And I'm but I'm into a bunch of shit but like.
• 1:30:27
  I guess the point. Is this is what I liked about
• 1:30:30
  this type of music, is that it was, I don't want to say edgy
• 1:30:36
  because that whole term has been high.
• 1:30:38
  No, the original. It's the right word, but in the
• 1:30:41
  original context, because that's what came into my head.
• 1:30:43
  Yeah, in these days. Our records, our records like
• 1:30:48
  our types of music, the stuff that we do even though our bands
• 1:30:51
  don't sound anywhere near the same.
• 1:30:54
  It's the weakest. Sounded shit out.
• 1:30:57
  It's so everyone just pulls up the Gojira VST and fucking rocks
• 1:31:02
  out or or pulls up the it's a great VST.
• 1:31:06
  It's a great the neural Gojira is fantastic.
• 1:31:10
  It's. Maybe the best live band I've
• 1:31:13
  ever seen. Oh yeah, they're the best.
• 1:31:15
  It's an unbelievable VST. I want a lot of people to buy
• 1:31:21
  that VST. Do you know that they.
• 1:31:24
  Sponsored the podcast or did you just?
• 1:31:25
  I didn't had no clue. I'm just saying it's different
• 1:31:28
  when you have producers like, I don't know, like Buddy, will
• 1:31:34
  Putney, he he knows every one of our.
• 1:31:36
  Records. He's one of my best friends when
• 1:31:37
  he makes a record. You can kind of tell it's his
• 1:31:40
  record. Yeah, that's different.
• 1:31:41
  That's why we that's not what I'm talking about.
• 1:31:42
  That's not what I'm talking about.
• 1:31:44
  I'm talking about motherfuckers just dumping poop after poop.
• 1:31:50
  I'm like, I just want to hear something that's real.
• 1:31:53
  This is another reason why we did it live in a room is because
• 1:31:55
  I'm not by the way, I don't have any, I'm not feeling myself at
• 1:32:00
  all. But I don't think bands can even
• 1:32:01
  do this anymore. I'm not.
• 1:32:04
  And I'm not saying that because I think we're awesome.
• 1:32:06
  I'm saying that because again, I was wondering if we could as
• 1:32:10
  well. Not, not that I know we're all
• 1:32:12
  talented, but I, I, when I think of an idea to do in, putting out
• 1:32:18
  three records in in a year is pretty crazy.
• 1:32:21
  But putting out three live records in front of an audience
• 1:32:23
  and then saying you're going to do it and then having to do it
• 1:32:26
  because you just said you were going to do it is even crazier.
• 1:32:29
  And then doing it completely all independently with no label and
• 1:32:33
  no funding and no anything at all is also crazy.
• 1:32:38
  And then also not having any of the songs written when you said
• 1:32:41
  that you were going to do it is also another challenge, which I
• 1:32:43
  appreciate all these challenges. That's kind of what I was going
• 1:32:45
  for. And I was just trying to be
• 1:32:46
  like, how can we make it impossible?
• 1:32:48
  I don't think that many bands can do this type of shit.
• 1:32:53
  And, and I didn't know that we could either.
• 1:32:55
  So part of it is the challenge where I was like, let's just
• 1:32:59
  make a few live records like Rage did and you know, 90, 2 was
• 1:33:04
  it 2 when they did, they did almost the same thing, although
• 1:33:07
  they used isolation cabinets, which we did not do and they
• 1:33:11
  overdubbed the the first the first record.
• 1:33:15
  Yeah, I think it's 199090. OK.
• 1:33:18
  Think don't quote. Me on that, but they did they.
• 1:33:21
  Did that same thing and that could have been a sub level
• 1:33:24
  where I got the idea one of the best.
• 1:33:27
  Records of all time, Yeah, it's. It's so sick so but you're
• 1:33:31
  annoyed about the. Guitar tone.
• 1:33:33
  The guitar tone's not. Good.
• 1:33:34
  But that's part of the. It's part of it.
• 1:33:35
  Is it better on the second one? It's going to have to be.
• 1:33:37
  We're doing. It in June, we're doing it next
• 1:33:39
  month. Do you not worry?
• 1:33:40
  I get the feeling that the answer is just going to be no, I
• 1:33:42
  don't fucking care, but like you ask if you don't worry.
• 1:33:45
  Just say no. Yeah, I know, but I want your.
• 1:33:47
  Thoughts on it? So with the homogenization of
• 1:33:52
  music, which I also fucking hate, and most of the bands I
• 1:33:56
  listen to. Really have to be doing.
• 1:33:59
  Something different for me to really get involved.
• 1:34:02
  However, most of the bands that are insanely popular and I am
• 1:34:07
  happy for their success and whatever bands that are huge but
• 1:34:10
  I don't listen to and they all sound the same.
• 1:34:14
  Not. Songwriting wise, but I think
• 1:34:17
  like audio wise, like we're talking about right now, like
• 1:34:19
  it's the same drum program is the same guitar program.
• 1:34:23
  Do you not worry that the listener is so used to the
• 1:34:31
  homogenized music that they won't get it?
• 1:34:35
  No. That was a good question.
• 1:34:40
  But but the answer is just. No, no, I never even had.
• 1:34:45
  That thought, I think we have great sounding records.
• 1:34:48
  Josh, I think is the best. I want to make 100 records with
• 1:34:52
  him. I don't ever want to not make a
• 1:34:54
  record with him. I think he kind of kindred
• 1:34:59
  spirits in that sense where we make these crazy records and the
• 1:35:05
  craziest one we've ever made is like it's almost done and then
• 1:35:08
  we're going to put that on next year in 26 has nothing to do
• 1:35:12
  with what we're talking about, so hang on. 4 records in two
• 1:35:15
  years it's going to be 5. 5 records in.
• 1:35:18
  Two years, yeah. Probably people will be tired of
• 1:35:21
  the band by then, but no, I think you can get away with.
• 1:35:23
  It with the live ones I think you can get because they're an
• 1:35:26
  event. This is an event I like.
• 1:35:29
  That they're an event. I don't think that's going to
• 1:35:33
  really, I mean, think about rappers.
• 1:35:35
  Rappers just bring out a song. I'll write a song yesterday.
• 1:35:38
  Here it is. Like, I kind of wish that was
• 1:35:41
  more in our kind of music. Yeah, I.
• 1:35:44
  Don't really I think about things like that a little bit
• 1:35:48
  more rather than I when I hear these people, like for example,
• 1:35:52
  we're on tour right now. When I hear these people talk
• 1:35:53
  about tour and how it's such hard work, we are completely
• 1:35:57
  independent. We have no one working for us.
• 1:36:00
  Almost we have. 4 awesome chicks.
• 1:36:04
  Agents, PR, you know, whatever. As far as being on the road,
• 1:36:10
  none. No, no crew.
• 1:36:11
  We don't have people doing things.
• 1:36:14
  We don't. I don't have anyone wiping my
• 1:36:15
  ass. We have no management.
• 1:36:17
  We have no label. Being on tour is not work.
• 1:36:22
  You work an hour a day maybe. And again, I'm not saying it
• 1:36:26
  because I am not told to show up to stage.
• 1:36:28
  I'll just repeat it. We are.
• 1:36:30
  We drive in a vehicle, a van, we drive it ourselves.
• 1:36:34
  We don't have a driver. We don't have no one checks my
• 1:36:39
  shit and says report to stage at 7:00 and then you'll play and
• 1:36:42
  then you can be your shit and leave for the rest of the day
• 1:36:45
  and go hang out with chicks. We're doing everything you do as
• 1:36:50
  a touring and it's not work. And when I hear people talk
• 1:36:54
  about making an album, it's not work either.
• 1:36:58
  It sounds just like a bunch of shitty kids that don't know what
• 1:37:01
  real work is. They're like, oh we made this
• 1:37:03
  album, we just did this album and it's like you did that album
• 1:37:06
  2 years ago. People's children are starting
• 1:37:10
  school that they birthed and you think those 8 songs you did are
• 1:37:16
  doing anything on the planet of Earth?
• 1:37:19
  That's no judgement against them.
• 1:37:20
  They can. No, it's funny.
• 1:37:21
  I. Just don't because.
• 1:37:23
  I do that and I've got a drum. Tech and I've got a tour manager
• 1:37:25
  and I use them all the fucking time.
• 1:37:27
  Oh, but then I come home with less money and I'm annoyed about
• 1:37:29
  it, so yeah. It's it's work, but it's.
• 1:37:32
  Work for someone else. I'm still not at work.
• 1:37:34
  In fact, I'm definitely not at work.
• 1:37:36
  Someone else's work, even sitting right here, right now.
• 1:37:38
  Right, We've been doing something for an hour or two
• 1:37:40
  now, 42. 142. Which is a MET.
• 1:37:43
  That's a magical number, but it's not work to me.
• 1:37:46
  And even though we played these cameras up, bro.
• 1:37:50
  Work. It's not.
• 1:37:50
  Work. It's not work.
• 1:37:51
  This is. This is my this is my vacation.
• 1:37:54
  I feel the same way. About touring and making music
• 1:37:56
  and stuff like that. Even when you're talking about,
• 1:37:58
  do you do you worry that they? That they.
• 1:38:02
  Think that the over polished stuff they they might not get it
• 1:38:06
  or they might not like it. I only care about the people
• 1:38:09
  that get it or like it, but I don't that's why I don't care
• 1:38:12
  about like you said a second ago when you said, you know even
• 1:38:15
  bands I don't care. I don't listen to or don't
• 1:38:17
  necessarily like, I'm happy for their success, but da da da da
• 1:38:22
  we're. We're doing.
• 1:38:23
  We're fans, you know, we do like shit.
• 1:38:25
  Obviously I think both of us do because we are talking at the
• 1:38:28
  gym about the things we liked. But it's not.
• 1:38:33
  Some things aren't for everyone. And also we like what we're
• 1:38:38
  supposed to like and we do what we're supposed to do.
• 1:38:40
  And I don't know the consensus or the general population has
• 1:38:45
  never liked King ever. We've never been, I don't think.
• 1:38:50
  Cool. You were so cool.
• 1:38:52
  Really. Yeah, 100.
• 1:38:54
  Percent. I'm not.
• 1:38:55
  I'm not. Complaining, I'm just saying I I
• 1:38:57
  don't I only think about the people that that want to hear it
• 1:39:00
  and I just feel like I have this creative.
• 1:39:03
  This sounds goofy, but this kind of well, this infinite well of
• 1:39:08
  creativity that I don't people have asked the same thing about
• 1:39:12
  saturation. Like you think you're you're
• 1:39:14
  going to over saturate this shit and I'm like.
• 1:39:18
  I'm not even in the. Market.
• 1:39:19
  I'm only making music for a couple 10s of thousands of
• 1:39:25
  people that like it. That's it.
• 1:39:28
  If more people want to like it, cool.
• 1:39:29
  If less people want to like it, cool.
• 1:39:31
  If they don't like it, I still know how to make cool, big,
• 1:39:35
  cinematic, sounding awesome, whatever.
• 1:39:38
  Stay tuned for that. That's probably coming around
• 1:39:40
  the corner. But right now I'm doing this and
• 1:39:42
  this is what I want to do. And this is what we thought
• 1:39:44
  would be cool as a interesting, challenging.
• 1:39:47
  I when I think about things, you know, besides rage and there's
• 1:39:50
  probably a bunch of other people, but I don't hear about
• 1:39:52
  anyone doing the shit that we're doing.
• 1:39:54
  And that's kind of when we sit around brainstorming about what
• 1:39:57
  we want to do, we the first thing has to be, is anyone doing
• 1:40:00
  this? And if the answer is, yeah, it's
• 1:40:04
  not going on very high on the list.
• 1:40:06
  So now I don't, I don't worry about any of that.
• 1:40:08
  In fact, it's a prerequisite. That we have to acknowledge
• 1:40:12
  right off the jump that people aren't going to be into the
• 1:40:15
  idea. And I'm not going to explain it
• 1:40:16
  to anyone either. I think people will.
• 1:40:18
  Be I just like devil's advocate thinking like people who listen
• 1:40:23
  to that really, really Polish stuff.
• 1:40:25
  But then there's another, there's like a completely
• 1:40:28
  separate conversation that can be had about, you know, like
• 1:40:31
  grunge, when grunge came out, came out of hair metal where
• 1:40:36
  everything was over polished and over the top and super shiny.
• 1:40:39
  And then there was listener fatigue.
• 1:40:41
  And then grunge happens and everyone was like, what the fuck
• 1:40:44
  is this? And it's like, well, that's
• 1:40:46
  real. That's the real stuff.
• 1:40:47
  Yeah. You know, you could be, you
• 1:40:49
  could actually be hitting it right at the right time.
• 1:40:51
  Like even bands like Turnstile being the biggest fucking band
• 1:40:54
  on Earth, like that raw. Like you'd be hitting the raw
• 1:40:59
  time, right, even though you don't want to and you don't
• 1:41:01
  care? Yeah, maybe.
• 1:41:03
  I was. I was.
• 1:41:04
  Fucking I hate listening to music.
• 1:41:06
  And I was like, I was like, oh, you told me the concept and I
• 1:41:09
  was like, fuck yeah, I'm going to.
• 1:41:10
  You sent me the link. I said listen to it straight
• 1:41:11
  away. Like, yeah, I was wondering.
• 1:41:13
  I was. Like, I hate to, I hate to send
• 1:41:16
  this to him, but he asked so I'm going to.
• 1:41:19
  But I don't like to, man, just because I don't like shit, I
• 1:41:26
  guess. And although I I follow things
• 1:41:28
  that fall into my path and that I know that I'm supposed to pay
• 1:41:30
  attention to, but I hate to hit someone with eight or nine songs
• 1:41:34
  and be like, hey, you got the 40 minutes for me.
• 1:41:37
  You know what's the worst? Though and you did it, but
• 1:41:40
  everyone does it, it's just how it works.
• 1:41:42
  The worst is the Google Drive link.
• 1:41:44
  I can't stand it. It's.
• 1:41:45
  Like and. It puts me out like it's a
• 1:41:47
  running bit. I hate music.
• 1:41:49
  I obviously don't fucking hate music.
• 1:41:50
  I make music on music podcasts. But like oh I hate you mean to
• 1:41:55
  make me click another button every after that?
• 1:41:58
  Soft one, the biggest company on earth that's arguably running
• 1:42:02
  the world. I cannot make a fucking playlist
• 1:42:05
  function let. Me put you up on.
• 1:42:08
  Game. I don't know if you know this.
• 1:42:10
  I don't use Google Drive. Our producer does.
• 1:42:13
  That's why it's there. I don't use Google Drive and
• 1:42:15
  never will. I'll use, I'll use it because he
• 1:42:18
  sends me the link. I, I don't, I'm not like a
• 1:42:21
  shill. I don't have any endorsements or
• 1:42:22
  any, you know, whatever. Google's not paying you.
• 1:42:25
  No, no, Contrary to punching the money, though I know you know I.
• 1:42:29
  Know I make it's you know I've put take a robot face off and
• 1:42:33
  tell you this whole time I was not in Peru I'm Google Drive I'm
• 1:42:38
  Mr. Drive I was in I'll. Show you where to drive Silicon
• 1:42:42
  Valley, getting my gears changed, and I'll drive you.
• 1:42:44
  Somewhere in Spotify you can make playlists of files off your
• 1:42:50
  computer or phone. Oh, I didn't know.
• 1:42:52
  That yeah. Oh, that's a.
• 1:42:54
  Fucking way easier way to do. It and accidentally leaked your
• 1:42:57
  records though I don't give a fuck.
• 1:42:59
  Yeah, yes, you don't really give.
• 1:43:00
  A. Is there anything you give a
• 1:43:01
  fuck about? Oh, I got a question for you.
• 1:43:03
  What is? It you just asked.
• 1:43:06
  Me a question. No, no, no, I got a new.
• 1:43:08
  One. I got a new one.
• 1:43:09
  It's bad. I will ask you in a minute, is
• 1:43:11
  there anything you have a fuck about?
• 1:43:13
  But you've been shot and you've been stabbed, is that correct?
• 1:43:16
  Yeah. Which is worse?
• 1:43:19
  I'm from the countryside. Of England I We don't even have
• 1:43:22
  guns. Was it the same day I got?
• 1:43:25
  Shot two different times, once with a handgun that was OK, once
• 1:43:30
  with a shotgun that was OK. What do?
• 1:43:31
  You mean OK? Like not that bad.
• 1:43:34
  I've had worse. OK, stabbed and then a Whoa,
• 1:43:37
  whoa, whoa. A shotgun.
• 1:43:39
  Shotgun. That clock shot that was a
• 1:43:42
  little more rough only because it just felt like more burning.
• 1:43:47
  I guess the easiest way to describe it was I got shot in
• 1:43:51
  the side, in the leg, the handgun, and I knew that I got
• 1:43:57
  shot because I was behind a pole, telephone pole, and the
• 1:44:02
  parts that were sticking out got shot.
• 1:44:05
  I knew that because I could feel it happened when I got shot with
• 1:44:08
  a shotgun. I just felt it all over.
• 1:44:10
  But it was because the buck shots went all in my legs, my
• 1:44:14
  feet, my sides and my in the side of me.
• 1:44:18
  It was more burning, but it it was just more of the same thing.
• 1:44:23
  The stab. I remember feeling cold.
• 1:44:28
  Like the opposite. Almost there was no it one
• 1:44:32
  wasn't worse than the other. I just the only thing I remember
• 1:44:38
  because I was a kid at the time, you know, I was 20 or whatever.
• 1:44:42
  I only remember the pain coming from some type of this sounds
• 1:44:49
  fucked up to say and I'm not trying to make things like
• 1:44:57
  gruesome or anything, but I think that I was so mad that I
• 1:45:04
  maybe couldn't kill the guy before he might have killed me
• 1:45:10
  that I was in this angry pain like frustration and worry.
• 1:45:20
  I don't want to say fear, I want to say I was so worried that I
• 1:45:23
  would die before I somehow got to kill this guy.
• 1:45:27
  And that's the only. Thing So what I was when I say
• 1:45:29
  worry or fear, I could be is I thought I don't know where I'm
• 1:45:35
  hit. I don't know where I'm stabbed,
• 1:45:37
  don't know where I'm shot, don't know anything about it.
• 1:45:41
  I can feel stuff and there's shit going on my shoes, my coat,
• 1:45:45
  my shirts filling up the blood I'm and all this other shit is
• 1:45:47
  going on. It could be in my heart.
• 1:45:49
  Could be I don't fucking know you don't you just like, did he
• 1:45:52
  blow my leg out? You don't really know.
• 1:45:55
  It's dark. It's in the middle of the night
• 1:45:56
  and, you know, and I was just so pissed that I might die before
• 1:46:04
  this guy died for revenge. Right.
• 1:46:06
  I feel like that's how I'd be. I'd probably cry like a little
• 1:46:09
  fucking baby, but I feel like after the whimpering I'd have
• 1:46:13
  been like, motherfucker, yeah, I remember.
• 1:46:15
  That feeling and it was like a almost like a rapturing of
• 1:46:21
  worry, which doesn't really make any sense.
• 1:46:23
  And it also doesn't really tell answer the question about pain.
• 1:46:26
  But that was the I wanted the story.
• 1:46:28
  I didn't. Really care about the pain.
• 1:46:30
  Yeah, you did. You did great.
• 1:46:32
  That's exactly so shot. Shot and stab at the same time.
• 1:46:35
  What the fuck happened? Only once.
• 1:46:37
  Yeah. The second time I got shot was
• 1:46:39
  just shot. Just a drive by.
• 1:46:41
  Just a drive by it. Was a light drive by.
• 1:46:44
  Tuesday afternoon, simple drive, just a.
• 1:46:46
  Common drive by I'm misunderstanding.
• 1:46:48
  Yeah, wrong place, the wrong time, but then what?
• 1:46:50
  Happened the other time, a group of people that I don't.
• 1:46:52
  Like, don't like me. Apparently they try to rob me.
• 1:46:56
  I wrote about it in my book a little bit.
• 1:46:59
  They pulled up, pulled a gun out.
• 1:47:01
  Like give me your stuff. I did something you shouldn't do
• 1:47:05
  if someone holds a gun out. I know exactly.
• 1:47:07
  What you're going to say because I grabbed my.
• 1:47:09
  Dick and said you can get this back.
• 1:47:13
  I thought, I've never been in that situation, but in my head
• 1:47:16
  I've thought about what I would do and it's always like,
• 1:47:20
  especially if it's robbing, I really don't trust myself to not
• 1:47:24
  go. You're going to have to kill me.
• 1:47:26
  Yeah. And that's that's not that's
• 1:47:29
  stupid, but. I was 20.
• 1:47:32
  Eight, I'm not I'm not coming back, you know, into the past to
• 1:47:36
  justify the actions of my 20 year old self Yeah, I'm still
• 1:47:40
  I'm. Still there I I did.
• 1:47:42
  That and they circled around the block.
• 1:47:47
  I was hyping myself up, talking to myself like, Oh yeah, if that
• 1:47:50
  motherfucker, I'm just making shit up.
• 1:47:52
  You know how it is when you these close calls and you're
• 1:47:54
  like, if that dude would have got out, I would have did the
• 1:47:58
  this and that and the other while I'm fantasizing about what
• 1:48:02
  happened, he dropped one of his buddies off behind me and he
• 1:48:06
  snuck up behind me and just stabbed me so.
• 1:48:09
  Then I start fighting. With him, you know.
• 1:48:12
  And again this. Isn't like to be cool?
• 1:48:14
  This is all public. Everyone this is like a public
• 1:48:17
  thing, you know what I mean? Everyone everyone in the
• 1:48:20
  neighborhood for sure knows but also I couldn't find on the.
• 1:48:22
  Internet. That's why I'm doing this.
• 1:48:24
  That's why this would be a clip. Just refer to this.
• 1:48:26
  Clip let's sell records. Bro, we're going to get so.
• 1:48:30
  Many sales. Oh wait, I've got 1.
• 1:48:32
  There we go. You're.
• 1:48:33
  Going to sell records, kid. Yeah, it actually backfired.
• 1:48:36
  All that stuff kind of backfired because when we came out, people
• 1:48:38
  were like, oh, you're from Flint.
• 1:48:39
  Oh, you were into gangs and doing all this that.
• 1:48:41
  I'm like, yeah. And the PR side of things was
• 1:48:45
  heavy on that because it's maybe interesting to them.
• 1:48:48
  I don't know. Again, this is not blame.
• 1:48:51
  I don't care. It's just what happened.
• 1:48:54
  But so that's kind of what everyone got obsessed with.
• 1:48:57
  And I read this funny, my friends send me comments because
• 1:49:01
  I I have this rule to only spend 60 seconds on social media.
• 1:49:05
  So 7 minutes a week. And wow, they'll send me these
• 1:49:09
  things just to make me fucking just to.
• 1:49:12
  Keep me frosty. Keep me on my toes and they'll
• 1:49:14
  send me these comments like. I thought this.
• 1:49:17
  Motherfucker was gangbang and this fucking guy's worshipping
• 1:49:21
  the devil. That's what we said though.
• 1:49:24
  That's. Cool.
• 1:49:25
  And I'm like. Fuck.
• 1:49:28
  Then I, I, I don't give any credence to it.
• 1:49:30
  It's just some funny comments. But like I, I start thinking
• 1:49:34
  about it and then I just try to be constructive, I guess.
• 1:49:37
  Think about why is that? Why do people think that?
• 1:49:41
  Because to me, you already went through it.
• 1:49:44
  This is the very first thing. This is a good bookend.
• 1:49:46
  This is the very first thing you you asked.
• 1:49:48
  You were like, I'm confused that we got demons here, we got
• 1:49:51
  voodoo and we got this da da, da, da da and we got Rob Robin.
• 1:49:54
  The Kmart like that's exactly what.
• 1:49:56
  I'm what I'm saying is the very first EP we made in 2011, it has
• 1:50:02
  a goetic, a real goetic ritual in the booklet.
• 1:50:06
  I never knew that. This isn't and.
• 1:50:08
  These are not images like from the Internet.
• 1:50:11
  This is a real right? And I'm like, yo, our first
• 1:50:19
  record, our first EP, this is 1314 years ago.
• 1:50:23
  Our first record 1011 years ago are weird as fuck.
• 1:50:29
  Yeah, you're coming out. Anyone who doesn't?
• 1:50:31
  Think that's weird? I I'm completely out of my mind
• 1:50:36
  and yeah. I mean it's it's from the very.
• 1:50:40
  1st jump off. So I I just wonder that part not
• 1:50:43
  as maybe as emphasized well that would.
• 1:50:46
  Correct me if I'm wrong, first EP was physical only and then
• 1:50:51
  didn't come on streaming until like yeah yeah you fucked up So
• 1:50:54
  it was only. Put it on.
• 1:50:55
  I don't. Even know what streaming was.
• 1:50:57
  At the time, yeah, There we go. Re released that, we threw that
• 1:51:00
  on the streaming. Later, because that's just
• 1:51:02
  something, but they're I'm. Not getting the booklet on the
• 1:51:05
  you need the booklet I need. I need the.
• 1:51:06
  Booklet carry one around with me I'm.
• 1:51:08
  Going to get you a booklet. All right.
• 1:51:09
  Can I have one? Yeah, have.
• 1:51:10
  You got one? Can I have a physical?
• 1:51:12
  A physical copy? I'll send them all.
• 1:51:14
  To you I will trade you. Whatever you want.
• 1:51:18
  I mean. Definitely not, that was painted
• 1:51:21
  by Kojira himself. No, no clothes or something?
• 1:51:25
  I'll give you clothes, whatever you.
• 1:51:26
  Want I'll give you clothes, but definitely not that.
• 1:51:30
  Because I looked at that when I. Came in, I was like, Oh yeah,
• 1:51:32
  like that. Yeah.
• 1:51:33
  No, that's. Unfortunately that is a gift
• 1:51:35
  from Mario from Gojira. He painted that for me.
• 1:51:37
  What a guy. What a fucking nice guy.
• 1:51:39
  And then came on here and made me feel bad about how much I
• 1:51:42
  practice the drums because he still practices 2 hours a day
• 1:51:44
  with two kids every single day. So you should have just told.
• 1:51:48
  Him you have 4 kids. Doubled it.
• 1:51:50
  I've got 4 kids motherfucker, so I can only practice for half as
• 1:51:52
  much time. Let's wrap it up.
• 1:51:54
  You are. I could do this for like 5
• 1:51:56
  hours. Let's do it next time I come.
• 1:51:57
  Into town just coming. Come.
• 1:51:59
  Here like. Maybe 5 * a year.
• 1:52:01
  Oh fuck yeah. We'll do it properly, We'll do
• 1:52:03
  proper. We'll do a follow up.
• 1:52:06
  When does rust out? New metal come out, comes out.
• 1:52:09
  On the very peculiar date of 6969.
• 1:52:12
  Which is backwards for me. So June 9th, the 9th of June.
• 1:52:17
  That's on a. Month.
• 1:52:19
  Away on a Monday. It's a Monday.
• 1:52:21
  Only the greatest bands put out records on Monday.
• 1:52:24
  Monday is the day of the moon. That's why it's called Moon Day.
• 1:52:26
  You are really. Doing shit.
• 1:52:29
  It's lucky you don't have a. Team because they'd be so pissed
• 1:52:31
  off. Maybe that's why I don't.
• 1:52:34
  Have one, yeah, their hair would be falling out.
• 1:52:36
  They would talk about how it won't stream because it's
• 1:52:39
  getting picked up in the second-half of the week and it
• 1:52:41
  won't count towards the whatever.
• 1:52:44
  You got a talk coming up. After September.
• 1:52:46
  September the the month of September, the very end of
• 1:52:50
  August, it's called Welcome to the Rust Belt.
• 1:52:53
  UK, Europe. UK, Europe.
• 1:52:57
  Yeah, we're. Going to let you in.
• 1:52:59
  So we're going. To Rock over, rock Over there
• 1:53:03
  with my buddy Josh is Band Bangs Arcade.
• 1:53:07
  Yeah. That's a weird line up.
• 1:53:09
  That's a weirdo. Yeah, well, he's weird.
• 1:53:12
  I'm weird. That's cool.
• 1:53:13
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:53:14
  So that was coming up. That's and then you've got more
• 1:53:16
  records coming out. It's that Am I the first person
• 1:53:19
  to leak that info 100%? Fuck, yeah.
• 1:53:22
  Well, we've, we've said that we have records coming out.
• 1:53:24
  You're the first person that I sent the record to.
• 1:53:26
  So no one's no one's heard it. And I just act like it's not
• 1:53:30
  done when anyone asks me. So we have more.
• 1:53:33
  Well, you don't have a team. Yeah.
• 1:53:36
  We have more, we have another record being recorded in June,
• 1:53:38
  1, in September. Then we do an annual show that's
• 1:53:41
  really sick on Samhain November 1st.
• 1:53:48
  We do one at home and it's a real theatrical ordeal, which we
• 1:53:52
  we did one last year. We made a Blu-ray of it and so
• 1:53:54
  that's on YouTube for free too. But just make like these
• 1:53:57
  collector items and stuff and do big show every annual year for
• 1:54:01
  the people at home. Do the show that you want to do
• 1:54:05
  that you can't afford to do on tour.
• 1:54:07
  You know, you spend 30 GS on a show, you do it once.
• 1:54:11
  You can't really take it on the road because there's too many
• 1:54:14
  moving parts. You got 10 people working on it.
• 1:54:16
  Too many fake guns. I imagine.
• 1:54:18
  Is that still still going on? Still got real guns on stage?
• 1:54:22
  Were they real? You're going to have to.
• 1:54:23
  You're going to. Come to the show and find out,
• 1:54:25
  man. I mean, I'm coming.
• 1:54:26
  So in about an hour, so I hope I'm going, I think I might have
• 1:54:29
  guns. On stage, we're in.
• 1:54:30
  Nashville no. Guns on stage?
• 1:54:31
  No. We're not doing.
• 1:54:32
  Is that gone? That's gone.
• 1:54:34
  Evolved. Evolved.
• 1:54:35
  It was a talk of the town back in the day, though.
• 1:54:38
  I was so excited. I thought we were rocking and.
• 1:54:40
  Rolling, but apparently we were just getting banned from flags
• 1:54:42
  from Live Nation venues. I mean it.
• 1:54:44
  Was it looked so fucking sick I thought I was sick too.
• 1:54:47
  Yeah, so sick. It didn't hurt gun guy.
• 1:54:49
  You got a gun? Oh yeah, guns.
• 1:54:52
  We haven't got enough time. I'm like time.
• 1:54:54
  Well, if you ever want. To come to Michigan, we got
• 1:54:57
  hundreds of guns, no water. No, water is still.
• 1:55:00
  Fucked you Drink. God, we could talk about this
• 1:55:02
  all day. Yeah.
• 1:55:03
  Water still fucked, we can. Maybe talk about that next time
• 1:55:06
  we just eat gunpowder and blood. Nice.
• 1:55:09
  You want to leave it there? That's a.
• 1:55:10
  Great fucking ender. I'm in a bit of a funk at the
• 1:55:13
  moment and I came back from the gym and I was just fucking.
• 1:55:17
  I'm in a great mood. You're a great guy.
• 1:55:18
  It's been a great day. Thanks man, and I'm looking
• 1:55:21
  forward to seeing you rock the shit.
• 1:55:24
  Thanks for having me. In like an hour.
• 1:55:25
  Thanks for. Coming.
• 1:55:26
  We got to do it again 100%. But yeah.