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November 18, 2025 (Hour 2) · Zone 1150 - Chip Howard's SportsTalk

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  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm alive. I just had to get some beverage.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up when we play an interview I did with
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  Speaker 1: author Jeff Gwynn, one of my favorite authors.
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  Speaker 5: He's written on some dark subjects.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Manson and David koresh this one on Jim Jones
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  Speaker 1: and Guyana. Today's of forty seventh anniversary. That is really
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  Speaker 1: difficult to believe. And I'll tell you it's really difficult
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  Speaker 1: to believe that early this morning is a twenty sixth
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  Speaker 1: anniversary of Bonfire.
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  Speaker 5: That is just almost impossible.
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  Speaker 1: For me to believe, you know, being here at the
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  Speaker 1: radio station when that happened. Everybody was on call, certainly
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  Speaker 1: that day. It was, as you can imagine, just chaotic
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  Speaker 1: news organizations from all of the world calling our you know,
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  Speaker 1: little radio station wanting information us, trying to get information,
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  Speaker 1: our new staff out. Everybody, like I said, including me,
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  Speaker 1: was on call, trying to do things to help out.
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  Speaker 1: And it was you know, it's unimaginable. Still is still
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  Speaker 1: fresh in the memory of everybody who lived through it.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 5: You know. Our good friends.
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  Speaker 1: Son was the head yell leader at the time, Jeff Bailey,
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  Speaker 1: so he was on the news. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: first calls that I made, a friend of ours called
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  Speaker 1: early in the morning, say have you have you heard
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  Speaker 1: the news?
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  Speaker 5: No, we hadn't hearn the.
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  Speaker 1: News, And and I called him, and you know, they
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  Speaker 1: were in San Antonio at the time.
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  Speaker 5: I said, hey, have you heard from Jeff?
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  Speaker 1: The first people I thought of, and fortunately they they
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  Speaker 1: had heard from Jeff. And obviously he had been out
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  Speaker 1: at the bonfire site. I don't think he was there
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  Speaker 1: when the site collapsed, but you know, this is something
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  Speaker 1: that that led to I've said over and over. The
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  Speaker 1: most unique sporting event I've ever been to. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's and there was nothing like it, and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I hope I am never at an thing like it again,
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly, but it was. It was just it was
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  Speaker 1: an amazing morning slash afternoon at at at Kyle Field
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  Speaker 1: that day. And you know what brought it about, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: was was extremely tragic, and the the atmosphere was just
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  Speaker 1: so unique.
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  Speaker 5: It was just unbelievable. I've said it many times.
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  Speaker 1: The crowd was just quiet when they walked in that day,
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  Speaker 1: and then the first half is just chaos, and then
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  Speaker 1: it just did dead quiet because of the bands and
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  Speaker 1: the presentation at halftime, and then just chaos in the
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  Speaker 1: second half and then kind of quiet as everybody left
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  Speaker 1: after the game. So really a remarkable time, a painful time,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we won't forget it. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: lived through it, and it was it's difficult, still difficult, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but twenty six years is just man, that's hard to believe,
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  Speaker 1: all right, from the sublime to the ridiculous, From the
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  Speaker 1: I mean, forty seven years ago today, nine hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighteen people died nine hundred and nine at the Jones
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  Speaker 1: what was called Jonestown in the middle of a forest
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  Speaker 1: in Guyana, where Jim Jones had taken. These people nine
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  Speaker 1: hundred and nine at Jonestown, all but two from cyanide poisoning.
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  Speaker 1: Five more killed at the airport, including a congressman from
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  Speaker 1: California who was investigating Jim Jones and the temple, Leo Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: members of his traveling staff, and Don Harris of Nby News,
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  Speaker 1: who I had worked with when I interned at WFAATV
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  Speaker 1: in Dallas. Don Harris was an anchor. Scott de Lucia
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  Speaker 1: tells me today that his son at the time was
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  Speaker 1: doing an internship with Scott at KCEN in Temple when
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  Speaker 1: this happened. In nineteen seventy eight, Jeff gwyn wrote a
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  Speaker 1: book about it, The Road to Jonestown. It's like everything,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Gwinn writes a terrific book, and I thought i'd
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  Speaker 1: replay that interview for you.
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  Speaker 5: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Let's jump out to the Polaris Fund Center phone line
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back author Jeff Gwynn. His latest book is
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  Speaker 1: called The Road to Jonestown, Jim Jones and People's Temple.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff, it is great to have you back. How are you.
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  Speaker 7: I'm doing fine. It's good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much. This was just a compelling book
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  Speaker 1: to read at some time. It was a really disturbing
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  Speaker 1: book to read as well.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it was disturbing to research, right, Yeah, I bet
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  Speaker 7: it was.
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  Speaker 1: You've been drawn to some amazing characters that you have
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  Speaker 1: written about over the years, with Charles Manson and Bonnie
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  Speaker 1: and Clyde and the Ok Corral and the Irp family.
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  Speaker 1: What draws you two characters like this that you write about.
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  Speaker 7: Well, what I'm really trying to do is figure out
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  Speaker 7: how the different years in American history run over into
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  Speaker 7: each other. And so when I try to look at
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  Speaker 7: different times in our history, you look for some iconic
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  Speaker 7: individual or event, And it's a fact we tend to
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  Speaker 7: remember the tragedies a lot more than anything else.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no question about that.
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  Speaker 1: What was the most compelling thing about Jim Jones that
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  Speaker 1: you discovered.
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  Speaker 7: Well, this was the most surprising book I've ever written
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  Speaker 7: in terms of what I learned. I had not known
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  Speaker 7: that before he really disintegrated and became what he came,
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  Speaker 7: he was one of the great leaders in the early
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  Speaker 7: civil rights movement, and that most of the people that
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  Speaker 7: he brought in two People's temple were really intelligent, socially
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  Speaker 7: conscious folks. This wasn't a matter of some weird demagogue
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  Speaker 7: in his brain dead zombie followers. It was far from that.
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  Speaker 7: So then you get to the point, then, how can intelligent,
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  Speaker 7: capable people be brought to the point where almost all
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  Speaker 7: of them are going to die together in the jungle
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  Speaker 7: in Guyana. So it was a lot more complicated than
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  Speaker 7: I expected.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about his childhood first a little bit, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: and you write extensively about that. He was relatively relatively poor.
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  Speaker 1: His father wasn't around, and he was relatively on his
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  Speaker 1: own at a pretty young age.
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  Speaker 5: Was he not well?
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  Speaker 7: He's living in a little farm community in Indiana, and
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  Speaker 7: there were a lot of Jones relatives all up and
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  Speaker 7: down the block. So he was never quite as deserted
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  Speaker 7: as a child as he tried to make it sound.
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  Speaker 7: But he had a hard time. His mother was particularly wacky.
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  Speaker 7: She firmly believed in reincarnation that she had been a
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  Speaker 7: great woman many lives past, and that it was her
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  Speaker 7: fate to give birth to the greatest man who ever lived.
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  Speaker 7: And when you're four or five, six years old, and
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  Speaker 7: your mother keeps telling you this constantly. It's going to
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  Speaker 7: have an effect.
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  Speaker 1: There's this picture you painted of him going into the
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  Speaker 1: woods and standing on a tree stump and practicing his
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  Speaker 1: preaching at a very early age.
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  Speaker 7: There were five churches in this little, tiny Indiana town,
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  Speaker 7: and by the time he's ten, he has joined all
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  Speaker 7: of them, and on Sundays he had run from one
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  Speaker 7: service to the next. The thing about Jones that everybody
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  Speaker 7: misses is that, as crazy as he got with the
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  Speaker 7: terrible things he did which are inexcusable, he started out
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  Speaker 7: as a very committed civil rights activist and did some
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  Speaker 7: amazing things the.
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  Speaker 1: City of Indianapolis especially. He brought the races together at
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  Speaker 1: a time when they certainly anywhere else in America they
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  Speaker 1: were not.
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  Speaker 7: Jones was able by sheer force of personality to get
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  Speaker 7: whites and blacks together and actually make some social progress.
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  Speaker 7: And when he started, Indianapolis was one of the most
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  Speaker 7: segregated major cities in America, and by the time he's
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  Speaker 7: finishing up in the early nineteen sixties, it's one of
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  Speaker 7: the most integrated. And there was exactly one person mostly
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  Speaker 7: responsible for that. It was Jim Jones.
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  Speaker 1: I was struck by his ability to function on very
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  Speaker 1: little sleep, as you write about.
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  Speaker 7: Well, of course he was helped out. He liked to
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  Speaker 7: self medicate a lot and became a really bad drug ava.
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  Speaker 5: But he didn't do that early on, did he, Jeff.
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  Speaker 7: Not that we know of. Yeah, he really would go
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  Speaker 7: on maybe three or four hours sleep a night, But
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  Speaker 7: of course that catches up with you.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it does catch up with you.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the things that he used in his
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  Speaker 1: favor was when he asked people to work, they'd see
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  Speaker 1: him always with the light on in his office and think, well,
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  Speaker 1: he's not asking us to do anything that he's not doing.
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  Speaker 7: By example, he taught his followers that every waking minute
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  Speaker 7: ought to be used for trying to bring about the
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  Speaker 7: common good, and he really did do that. The problem was,
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  Speaker 7: there's another complete side of his personality. He was a
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  Speaker 7: fake faith healer. And in the book if you've ever
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  Speaker 7: wondered how these healers can cure cancers and let the
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  Speaker 7: blind see, we write about all the tricks of the trade.
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  Speaker 7: But the point being he's two people at once. He
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  Speaker 7: is this great, sensitive, totally dedicated civil rights and social activist,
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  Speaker 7: and yet he's also a con artist who's cheating and
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  Speaker 7: lying and deceiving to get people to follow him and
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  Speaker 7: then explaining when they would catch him in his deceptions.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just doing what I need to do to get
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  Speaker 7: everyone together for the common good.
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  Speaker 1: And of course that plays itself out to disastrous consequences,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get to. But for a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: when he was laboring, I mean they were poor, even him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they didn't have much money, did they.
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  Speaker 7: No, they didn't. And the Church People's Temple in Indiana
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  Speaker 7: and then in California had some of the most progressive
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  Speaker 7: social programs anybody in the country had seen before, from
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  Speaker 7: free drug rehabilitation clinics to free restaurants and clothing drives,
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  Speaker 7: so if you were hungry or needed a coat, you
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  Speaker 7: got it, no questions asked. And they even sent poor
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  Speaker 7: ghetto kids to college, picking up the full tab so
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  Speaker 7: that these kids who otherwise would have only been educated
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  Speaker 7: on the streets, had a chance to make something of themselves.
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  Speaker 7: It was just astounding to learn about because nobody ever
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  Speaker 7: remembers that.
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  Speaker 5: Sure tell us a little bit about Marcelene Baldwin.
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  Speaker 7: Jim Jones's wife, I think defines the term long suffering
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  Speaker 7: She was very much a dedicated Christian. She had been
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  Speaker 7: a Methodist and in working with him, became a committed
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  Speaker 7: civil rights integrationist. He was loud and blustery, he was tactless,
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  Speaker 7: and in a lot of ways, she held people's temple
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  Speaker 7: together by soothing feelings. When he hurt them, he would
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  Speaker 7: he was not too good at explaining exactly what he
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  Speaker 7: wanted people to do. Marcelyn would step in, and yet
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  Speaker 7: he rewards her by basically setting her aside. And he
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  Speaker 7: became very sexually active, not just with a lot of
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  Speaker 7: women in people's temple, but men as well. He not
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  Speaker 7: only wanted their souls, he wanted their bodies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of surprised, not the sexual activity with women,
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  Speaker 1: but you write about his liaisons with men as well.
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  Speaker 7: That's true. And we've got to remember in the nineteen fifties,
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  Speaker 7: in the nineteen sixties, I mean, bisexuality is a touchy
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  Speaker 7: topic today, so you can imagine what it must the
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  Speaker 7: pressure must have been like for him when he's a
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  Speaker 7: public figure and at any time his reputation could be ruined,
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  Speaker 7: as of course it eventually was. In the mid nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 1: You write about his ability to remember people's names. He
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  Speaker 1: visited people at hospitals, He asked about their families, their children.
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  Speaker 1: He had a real ability to connect on a personal level,
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  Speaker 1: did he not?
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  Speaker 7: He really did. I think we've all met one or
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  Speaker 7: two people like that who just seemed to engage totally
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  Speaker 7: with whatever person they're talking to at the time. Jones
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  Speaker 7: would give these apparently rambling, four five hour sermons, and
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  Speaker 7: they taped them all. When I first listened to them,
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  Speaker 7: I thought, my god, it's all gibberish. But then I
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  Speaker 7: realized cooler and all get out within those sermons. Because
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  Speaker 7: he attracted so many different kinds of people to his following,
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  Speaker 7: at some point everybody would hear something that he or
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  Speaker 7: she would feel was being said directly to them, and
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  Speaker 7: it was just a great.
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  Speaker 1: Gift of his Let's discuss the move to northern California
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  Speaker 1: and how he was welcomed with open arms by the
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  Speaker 1: politicians there.
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  Speaker 7: The thing about Jim Jones is he knew how to
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  Speaker 7: ingratiate himself.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, he did people, yep.
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  Speaker 7: And by the time he's built up his following in California.
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  Speaker 7: In San Francisco alone, he's not only got five thousand
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  Speaker 7: ACT members whom if they're endorsing a politician, will all
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  Speaker 7: go vote for him or her, but they will also
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  Speaker 7: go out and walk the poor neighborhoods. They would use
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  Speaker 7: church buses to bring voters directly to the polls. So essentially,
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  Speaker 7: it became known in California that if Jim Jones and
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  Speaker 7: People's Temple supported your candidacy, they could tip a close election.
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  Speaker 7: And naturally, the politicians in both parties came flocking trying
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  Speaker 7: to engage Jones People's Temple, and that made Jim Jones
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  Speaker 7: a real political powerhouse. He had real cloud, not just
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  Speaker 7: the appearance of it.
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  Speaker 1: So the more cloud he got, the bigger his ego became.
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  Speaker 7: He personally believed that he was the greatest man on
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  Speaker 7: the face of the earth and that whatever he wanted
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  Speaker 7: or said had to be true. And the reason I
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  Speaker 7: finally thought it's worth understanding taking the time to figure
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  Speaker 7: out Jim Jones and People's Temple is because ultimately it's
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  Speaker 7: the perfect example of what a demogogue does. They identify
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  Speaker 7: themselves as the only person who can solve a problem.
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  Speaker 7: They teach their followers you have to believe in me,
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  Speaker 7: and anyone who doesn't is the enemy, and then finally,
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  Speaker 7: they take current events, you know, and there's always something
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  Speaker 7: bad happening, but they exaggerate the danger to make it
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  Speaker 7: look as though the apocalypse could be happening anytime. And
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  Speaker 7: Jones did that. He was a classic text book case
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  Speaker 7: of it. And of course any demogogue is ultimately going
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  Speaker 7: to lead his followers into disaster. If we can study
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  Speaker 7: what Jones did, it might help us recognize a few
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  Speaker 7: more that are in the present day.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the move to Guyana, let's discuss that and the
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  Speaker 1: People's temple.
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  Speaker 5: He sends p people over there, and I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing what these people created out of the deepest,
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  Speaker 1: thickest jungles in all.
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  Speaker 8: Of the world.
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  Speaker 7: I would not have understood that accomplishment if I hadn't
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  Speaker 7: gone over there myself, and the jungles overgrown where Jonestown was,
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  Speaker 7: so we had to cut our way in with machetes,
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  Speaker 7: and I swear to you, I have never seen anything
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  Speaker 7: like it.
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  Speaker 9: Yet.
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  Speaker 7: They carved out this huge working farm with the idea
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  Speaker 7: that all the excess food would be given to hungry
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  Speaker 7: people in South America. The Guyanese government all these years,
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  Speaker 7: since it's almost forty years, periodically have tried to do
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  Speaker 7: the same thing. Every one of those has failed within months.
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  Speaker 7: Jim Jones in about one thousand people, mostly ghetto dwellers
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  Speaker 7: who never so much as mode a lawn, go into
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  Speaker 7: this jungle and do what the agricultural experts in that
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  Speaker 7: country itself were not able to do. For all his faults,
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  Speaker 7: he was an amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Leader, and the Guyanese government kind of liked having them
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  Speaker 1: there as a buffer with the border.
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  Speaker 7: Right, Oh, you bet. Guyana was just becoming an independent country.
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  Speaker 7: They had hardly any military. Venezuela on their northwest border
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  Speaker 7: starts making noises about we think we actually own a
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  Speaker 7: lot of the country, you know that you currently claim,
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  Speaker 7: and they're talking about sending their military in just to
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  Speaker 7: overrun it. Guyana was thrilled that here's this American missionary
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  Speaker 7: and his American followers who want to live in the
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  Speaker 7: exact place Venezuela is trying to take over. Now, Venezuela
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  Speaker 7: might be willing to take on the Guyanese army, but
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  Speaker 7: they are not going to mess around with the Americans.
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  Speaker 7: So the Guyanese welcome them, and then of course they're
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  Speaker 7: going to overlook the increasingly bizarre things that are happening there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, the increasingly bizarre things that brings attention to the Congress,
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  Speaker 1: to officials. Leo Ryan, who you kind of mentioned as
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  Speaker 1: a grandstander who loved the cameras.
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  Speaker 5: He was certain to take cameras.
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  Speaker 1: With him when he went to Jonestown to personally check
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  Speaker 1: all of this stuff out. Let's talk about when things
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  Speaker 1: started going bad.
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  Speaker 7: Jones fled America for Guyana in the mid nineteen seventies
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  Speaker 7: when the first investigative reporting proved that people were being
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  Speaker 7: mistreated in People's Temple, that he was dishing out corporal
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  Speaker 7: punishment to his followers, that there were a lot of
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: money trails that didn't make sense, and he lost his
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: power base. Jonestown in Guyana had originally been planned. It's
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: just sort of a farm system out post for People's Temple,
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: maybe a few hundred people living there, and that was
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: all it could really support. But Jones shows up with
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: almost one thousand followers, imediately overcrowded. The jungle is literally
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty miles away from the nearest civilization. Jones,
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: with his drug use, is increasingly paranoid, and so every
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: night his followers hear Jim Jones talking about back in
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: America they've opened the first concentration camp for blacks, And
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: clearly it sounds ridiculous now, but the people with Jim
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: Jones remembered the interment camps in World War II for
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: Japanese Americans, so the things he's telling them seem possible.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: They get paranoid. The government's the enemy. And then Leo Ryan,
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: a congressman from the Bay Area, hears from constituents that
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: they think some of their relatives are being held in
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Jonestown against their will. So Ryan decides in November nineteen
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: seventy eight he's going to go investigate and bring the
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: media and some of the concerned relatives with him. At
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: precisely the time, Jim Jones is being overcome with paranoia
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: and decides there has to be one last grand gesture
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: so his name will live in history.
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  Speaker 1: How many of these nine hundred plus people, Jeff, what
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: percentage can you even guess took the poison voluntarily? And
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: how many of them were forced to take the poison?
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: We actually have a pretty good idea of this. There
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: were a couple survivors from that day who were there
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: for part of it, and I track them down and
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: they talk to me. They're on the record in the
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: book and in Guyana, I got to see all the
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: different records of the bodies that they were discovered on
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: the terrible day. Remember, Jonestown population is really three parts.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: There's about three hundred children, mostly infants and toddlers. They
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: really have no choice. There's about two hundred old people,
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: seventy eighty even ninety years old, and they're in the jungle.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: If they don't do this, they're not going to survive
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: another day anyway. Finally, you've got about three hundred and
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: fifty adults. And of those three hundred and fifty, maybe
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: one hundred really worshiped Jim Jones. They believe everything he says.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: He says take this, you're going to just fall asleep
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: and step over. It's not suicide. It's a revolutionary gesture.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: But at least one hundred and probably more try to
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: fight it, and there's tapes of it. You can do
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: them screaming. But Jones has surrounded the pavilion in Jonestown
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: with armed guards and those who won't take the poison
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: voluntarily are held down and forcibly injected. You can tell
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: because when they find the bodies. There's an abscess where
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: the needle went in, and so we know that probably
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: out of nine hundred who died, if we take out
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: the children who don't have any choice and the old
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: people who really are looking at death in another way,
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: if they don't do this, probably no more than one
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: hundred to one hundred and twenty five people out of
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: over nine hundred voluntarily died that day. It was mass murder,
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: it was not mass suicide.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: And also he died of a gunshot.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: You know, dying from cyanide poisoning is one of the
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: worst ways to go. Your body can't take in oxygen,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: you go into convulsions, you froth at the mouth. It's
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: just horrible. And on the tape of her Jones screaming
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: at his people, no, no, Socialists shouldn't die like this.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: They're not doing this because they're in pain. It's just
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: a little bitter tasting. But at the end, he wouldn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: do it himself. There were only two people who died
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: by gunshot wounds rather than poison, Jones and his personal nurse,
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: and it's very likely he asked her to go ahead
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: and despatch him and then she could have the honor
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: of dying the way that he did, and.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of the things that he did, it
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: was great for everybody else, but it wasn't for him.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, like most Marxists and socialists, we're all going
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to share, but he's the one that gets the extra women,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the extra food, the extra water, the extra places to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: stay well.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: Again, it's an object lesson when we look at almost
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: any kind of populist movement, you know, in America or
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: anywhere else in the world, if the leader is allowed
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: to do whatever he wants to without any checks or balances,
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: then ultimately it descends into darkness and demagoguery. And that's
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: what happened in Jonestown. Like I said, we can learn
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: an awful lot if we study what happened. It wasn't
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: just a bunch of zombies drinking kool aid, and it
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: wasn't even kool Aid at all. It was a cheap
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: knockoff called Flavor eight. But there are lessons here and
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: they're worth learning.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It's a fascinating, disturbing read. It's called The Road to Jonestown,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Jim Jones and People's Temple. It's through Simon and Schuster
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and Jeff Gwynn is the author. Jeff, I really enjoyed it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I hope you keep writing. I don't know if you
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: want to talk about anything now because you just finished
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a book.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: But do you have anything in mind for.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: The future the next nonfiction book? I do after seven
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: years writing about Charlie Manson and Jim Jones, nobody's going
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: to die. I guarantee that.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Give us a happy story next time, would you?
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: I promise I will.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Jeff, thanks so much for the time. Jeff Glenn is
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: just a terrific author. We've had him on a number
• 27:27
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• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That was a good one. This one, The Road to Jobstown.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's been out about eight years. It actually came out
• 28:00
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• 28:06
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  Speaker 1: the celebs were out last night in La Okay. But
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  Speaker 1: with a rare public outing. You know, Justin's a big
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  Speaker 1: Toronto guy. He was sporting his Blue Jays swag last night.
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  Speaker 1: Haley was cash in a gray jacket, tiny blue star
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  Speaker 1: sticker on her forehead to show her own port for
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  Speaker 1: her hubby. You know he hasn't been crazy about the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: The couple's no stranger to game night. They were at
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the MLS Cup Final, the twenty two
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but their outings together are few and far
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: between since Jack blues Bieber came along a year ago.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Do you realize that little scamps over a year old
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  Speaker 5: now wild grow up? They grow up so fast.
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: I don't even remember the first hour.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I don't this story doesn't say if Justin and Haley
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: stayed for the entire game. I would rather doubt it
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: since it lasted over six hours and went eighteen innings.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, yes, yes, yes, it was a long
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: one last night.
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: Well, you know, the people have paid to be there.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm telling you they did get their money's worth
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  Speaker 1: and probably a nap or two along the way.
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  Speaker 11: Basically two games, you.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Know, I did two for the price of one. Congrats,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: congrats to them.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the Beabs left unhappy his his team lost.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Well, what are you going to do?
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: Want them all?
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: What are you going to do? I think Taylor was
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: at a game last night, was she not?
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: She was, but she was a lot more discreet really, imagine,
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: you know, And I've noticed this this. I don't know
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: if it's security concerns or her just getting tired of
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: people hating on her for going to her Beyonce's football games.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: But she did make her wait to the suitek for
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: another home game to support Travis Kelcey exactly. She sported
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: a red turtleneck and a golden necklace nice the Chief
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: Commander's matchup on Monday Night football. She was spotted in
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: the box next to Brittany Mahomes.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: She needs to stay away from her.
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: Well that friendship which one wow, both just kidding, changing
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: your mind. He's like, nah, you know what, Actually it's fine.
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: But they did, you know, point down at the field
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: after he did get a touchdown, So good.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: On you good and she and she does know now
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: what a touchdown is. After two years of going to games.
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: You know, we can only hope. We can only hope.
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: But as a nod to the singer's favorite number, the
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: announcer said, we've got over thirty cameras bringing you Monday
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: Night football, and we'll call this camera number thirteen. Oh famous,
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: honestly her favorite number. Nice But Kelsey arrived in a
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: white and burnt orange Findye suit. His didn't look echoed
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: the hue of Taylor Swift's The Life of a Showgirl
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: error era. Sorry. The pregame commentary, the Titan's brother Jason
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: Kelsey tease the fit, saying, got to figure out the
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: bleach in the wash. But with that being said, In
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: a short contrast to last year's tunnel shruts the televised cutaways,
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: Swift has brought a lower profile with her appearances only
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: captured by fans seated below her. Sweet I'm sure, she said,
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: I don't know, domin me, call my lawyer. If you
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: put the camera on.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Me, too bad.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna go out in public, you're gonna have
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the camera on you, so tough deal with it. Speaking
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of Kelsey, another Kelsey has had another kid, Kelsey Grammar
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: seventy years old, seventy. He and his wife Kate, welcome
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: to son. Last earlier this month, we just had our
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: fourth one. So it just became eight kids. Christopher is
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the name?
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: This This this fourth with this wife.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Fourth with this wife in fourteen years. He shares faith thirteen,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Gabriel eleven, James eight, his adult children forty one years old,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: forty one. Oh my gosh, I mean, I mean is that.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: That that's just like the hell of arrogance?
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: New Year, New seventy plus year old man having a
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: child with Are I guess becoming a dad again? Because
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: wasn't it what Robert de Niro? Who was it last?
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Oh he's like eighty two or something like that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but who is the other one with it? No?
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: I think that's right. Yeah, Pacino's same thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly, So.
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: Uh, split up whatever wealth you've got left. I guess
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So when this kid is going to college, Kelsey will
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: be gumming oatmeal and some old folks home.
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: If he's lucky enough.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if he lives that long. I mean, come on,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: come on.
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: It sound like you can be that interactive. You think
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: he's waking up in the middle of the ninety Now
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: I have Nanny's no I know. Okay, Well, congrats, I
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: guess sick. Let's switch this up. Okay, I guess whatever.
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: A completely different type of story. Lindsay Lohan and Jamie
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: Lee's Curtis's body swapping comedy Freakinger of Friday is coming
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: to Disney. Plus.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I mean this thing, this thing was a long time ago, right, Well, no,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: so they got no.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: I mean yeah, Freaking Friday is a long time ago.
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, that was two thousand and three. And then
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: even this one Freakinger of Friday. I think it was
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: this summer when it came out. I'm not sure it
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: doesn't matter this equel, but uh to the beloved two
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: thousand and three film marks. I loved it. But to
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: be fair, I was very much at that same age
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: where I would.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Love it No, okay, I mean.
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: I thought it was great.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Look, it was cute, you know it was it was cute.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: You're being very nice. Anyways, it's coming to It's coming,
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: uh to Disney Plus.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: To be honest, I mean, I'm a big Jamie Curtis fan.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: I like Jamie Lee Curtis.
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: I like Jamie Lee Curtis, and I actually like her
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: and Lindsay Lohand's relationship outside of this, but also in
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: the movie. I thought it was nice. Anyways, it will
• 39:13
  Speaker 11: be available in Disney Plus at three am Eastern Time,
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: midnight when November twelfth.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Oh well, hot hot dog, I'll be there three am.
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: If you must serve Friday.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I'll set I'll set my my alarm.
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: It's like when they got the Royal wedding, you know, but.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, alarm exactly. I didn't do that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: Exciting guys, I didn't do that.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: By the time I woke up, the Royal Wedding was over.
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna be honest with you. There's nothing that can
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: wake me up in the middle of the night that's
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: important enough to me. Besides when my child did that,
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: and you know, even.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Then, Okay, Are we going to have a sixth year
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of only Murders in the Building? Selena uh Martin short
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Steve Martin fifth season drop last month, in addition to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: more buzzy guest appearances from a listers like Tayo Leoni
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Renee Zelweger.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Are they a listeners anymore? Anyway?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Season five saw everyone's favorite podcasters investigating another devastating death
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of one of their own, the Doorman Lester. Our beloved
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: doorman has a hold of a large amount of tenants
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: in our buildings, Secrets and many other things about his
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: life were interesting to me, said co creator John Hoffman.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: We're really dipping our toe into New York City in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: season five. After the season finale wrapped today, fans were
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I've seen the first.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Two of season five.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Fans were eager to find out whether the Emmy nominated
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: series had been renewed for another installment being confirmed yet,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: but last year, Hoffman told Variety he'll stick with only
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: murders in the Building as long as he can. Once
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you get over the hump of how many murders can
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: happen in one building, you're really stepping back and looking. Ultimately,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: it's the true original concept which is three lonely people
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: in New York City, brought together by common interest in
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: true crime. I mean I do I do like the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah you would. They're they're they're they're very good together.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I will say, very good together. And we can only
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: hope for a season six.
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: You know, I know who who could who could be
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: on the next Sea I mean it didn't Meryl Street Finds.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Yeahr Meryl was in there last year. They they brought
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: in a lot of people.
• 41:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Paul right, Yeah, who else? Yeah, I don't even know.
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: I'm trying to think what celebrity they could talk like?
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: Who could they talk by bringing who? Would you be excpt?
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: I did to see.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Clint Eastwood something.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, Plenty Eastwood, you gotta you've got
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to murder in this building.
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: I'll get him.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: This is the most powerful handgun known. Demand you got
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to ask, I don't know. Do you feel lucky?
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Punk?
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: Do you see Clint Eastwood ever living in an apartment
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: building though.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: In New York? No? No, I do not.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: No. Clinton, Clint's the West Coast Eye all the way.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Of course, he owns about half. He owns about half
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: of California.
• 42:45
  Speaker 11: Oh you know when you get out of that star power. Yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: I guess.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what made me bring up Clint Eastwood,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: but I think that would be awesome.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Clint Eastwood in New York trying to self ammerderr oh,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: that'd be awesome. I would love that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: I know. Honestly, sign me up too. He could be
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: the mysterious guy that no one ever talks about. Disappears
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: season five.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: You know you're welcome. The show just rights itself.
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: We just helped you. I'll give all the credit.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: To Chip though, thank you, thank you.
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: Moving on this because I know it will probably if
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: I'm so lucky to get to talk tomorrow, we'll talk
• 43:30
  Speaker 11: about this just because it's Dances with the Stars, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: you know how I feel about dancing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: You love Dancing with the Stars.
• 43:36
  Speaker 11: Well, after three years away, I'm surprised it hasn't been
• 43:40
  Speaker 11: longer than three years because it's spelt longer. Cheryl Burke,
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: which Chip, do you even know who?
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: That is? Probably no idea.
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: It's expecting watter works when she makes her return to
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: Dancing with the Stars tonight. It is tonight. It's going
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: to be emotional, it's going to be.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: I think for all of us. It's going to be emotional,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: don't you.
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: I mean sure, I don't really care. She was never
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: one of my favorites. I mean that respectfully. But it
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: is Halloween night, so I am very excited about that
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: because I do love Halloween. It's going to be all
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: the feels. So my makeup artist is going to have
• 44:14
  Speaker 11: a hard time.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Do you have your outfit?
• 44:18
  Speaker 11: Hmm? I mean, if I decide to put myself together,
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: I could be a mom that has her stuff together.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: So does Georgia have her outfit?
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: The thing with her, though, is that she changes her
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: mind very frequently. So we've got we've got options. We've
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: got options for Georgia me, I'm just gonna go with
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: whatever works.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you if well, I'm handing out candy,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: but but I'm I'm going to be dressed and of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: course little ones beware.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: That's all I'm going to say.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh no again, I'm going to see nope, nope,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to see how many I can make just
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: cry like little babies that come to the door. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that way, wait, that way, yeah, yeah, that way. We
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: don't have to give us give as much candy away.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I I don't want to give everything away because I've
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: done this before.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: I will just tell you there is a red balloon involved.
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: I mean that that that gave a lot away.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Spooky Huh.
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: I was gonna ask if you were bringing the blonde
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: mullet back out, but I know not.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: No, no, this is this is real deal stuff Friday Night.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: So come on by people. No, now, I take that back.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell you where you're not invited. Uh,
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: this is big news.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Taylor Sheridan is leaving parent out and going to NBC
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Universal with a new massive five year deal for films,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: TV and streaming. The biggest question is what will happen
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to the franchises at Paramount. Sheridan is set to deliver
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: more seasons of his ongoing hits Yellowstone spinoffs, Dutton Ranch,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: The Madison for Paramount plus Why Marshals. When Sheridan does
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: finally head to NBC Universal, he will have to create
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: holy new stuff. He won't be making the full leap
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: for another three years. Well, good grief, why are we
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: even talking about this?
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: We'll talk about this in maybe three years.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Sheridan's close collaborator and producing partner David Glasser is also
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: making the jump. Glasser signed a first look film and
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: TV deal with NBC Universal that will begin early next
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: year after his company fulfills its current obligations to pair amount.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: So there you go. This guy, this guy's making a
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: lot of money. This tenlor sharedan guy team and he
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: is prolific. My gosh, this guy writes a lot of stuff.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he does it, but hey, more
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: power to him.
• 47:27
  Speaker 11: There you go.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And I wish he'd leave himself out of his shows.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: By the way, he's not nearly as good an actor
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: as he thinks.
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: He is. Just a little helpful hint.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, I'm sure he's listening.
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: I'm sure. I mean, why wouldn't you exactly show switching
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: gears completely? Because I don't know how this would relate
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: to anything we've already talked about. An aunt of Prince
• 47:54
  Speaker 11: William and Prince Terry is recovering after a really bad fall.
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: From her horse.
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: Uh oh, Lady Sarah mc mccordal mccordal oh anything. She's
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: the eldest sister of late Princess Diana. Okay fell and
• 48:13
  Speaker 11: seriously injured herself last month. That's not good. Her brother
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: Charles Spencer, revealed the incident during a chat on Rosebud
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: with Gil's Bandworth I Don't Know podcast on Friday. Describing
• 48:27
  Speaker 11: the incident, Charles said that Lady Sarah, who is seventy
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: still she's still riding, and she had a really bad
• 48:34
  Speaker 11: fall last month and has been in the hospital for
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: a long time. I think she is She's quite a
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: handful of a patient because the lead doctor said to
• 48:43
  Speaker 11: my brother in law, She's quite a character, isn't she,
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: which I think is code for could you take her home?
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Poor Lady Sarah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 11: She is on the men though, So there's that.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: Well good These royal have you you not?
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: I can't ever keep up with their titles. I just don't.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: They got lots of titles.
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: I'll never understand it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So many titles, so many titles. This was announced yesterday
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: The Beach Boys are headlining a free concert in Austin
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon following the Texas Vanderbilt football game on the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: lawn of the LBJ Library.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And you know there's lots of Beach Boys, but this
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: is the Mike Love Bruce Johnston group.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Brian is no longer with us, so they're pretty much
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the group that's that's touring right now. But free show.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You want to go to Austin, I'm just saying, there
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: It's the beach. No, I've got stuff to do.
• 49:51
  Speaker 11: You're busy.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: Well, Saturday is the opening day of deer season.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: So that's that's a nice That's a national holiday, national holiday.
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: I understand.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Let's do some birthdays, can we? Sunday birthdays. Jacqueline Smith,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Charlie's Angel, a friend of the show, by the way,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: turned eighty years young on Sunday, Pat Say Jack birthday.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: How old do you think Pat is?
• 50:14
  Speaker 11: Oh? Pat, I don't know.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: Seventy nine? Okay, wow, yep.
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: I don't know why I was. I wasn't expecting it
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: to be that.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Lauren Tays from the Love Boat seventy two on Sunday.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Rita Wilson missus. Tom Hanks sixty nine on Sunday, okay,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Carrie Els sixty three on Sunday. Keith Urban turned thirty
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: eight on Sunday. By the way, we hadn't heard a
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: lot about that marriage breakup lately, have we?
• 50:47
  Speaker 11: It must be too amicable, right now?
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: Give it the time, either that or nasty one of
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: the other.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: John Hayter turned Noptotlean Dynamite turned forty eight on Sunday Monday,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: John Please, Oh He's funny eighty six. Money from Monty
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Python turned eighty six yesterday. Lee Grewen Greenwood God Bless
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the USA turned eighty three yesterday. Author friend Leebowitz turned
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: seventy five yesterday. Jane Kennedy seventy four yesterday.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, let's see, I don't know him. I don't know him.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Kelly Osborne turned forty one yesterday. Ozzie's daughter. Okay, all right,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: let's do today. What do you think?
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: Why not you got try?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Let's see here we've got Oh, Dennis friends NYPD Blue
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: eighty one.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Sorry, yeah, I interrupted.
• 51:52
  Speaker 11: Okay, I was just saying, Jane Alexander is eighty six?
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Really? Any Potts is seventy three?
• 52:01
  Speaker 11: Okay? Oh? Julia Roberts no way fifty eight years old?
• 52:06
  Speaker 11: Parts of her parts seeing Ben Harper is fifty six?
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: Andy Richter, Oh, Brad Paisley sidekicks fifty nine? How old's
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: Brad Paisley?
• 52:18
  Speaker 11: He is fifty three?
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: No kidding?
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's what they'd say.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Joaquin Phoenix is fitty one today. Oh Finn went rock
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: American Horror Story.
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that was.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: We're some freaky shows now, I'm telling you.
• 52:37
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Are they gone now? They're not on anymore.
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: I think they did spinoffs, but I'm not one hundred
• 52:42
  Speaker 11: pak sure. I used to keep up in it anyway.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: He's uh, he was forty one.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was some Some of that stuff was
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: too much for even me.
• 52:50
  Speaker 11: Yet the first one to me is always going to
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: be the best.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: So and the Lady Gaga one was good.
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: Oh that one was good too. Yeah, I will say that. Okay,
• 52:59
  Speaker 11: there there was a lot of good ones.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Huh, all right, I think that's all for us for today.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: It's all the damage we can do. We might we
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: might try tomorrow. Well that's that's not I didn't put
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: that right. We're not going to try tomorrow. We might
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: try to do a show tomorrow.
• 53:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, that's a.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: Better way to put it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: That is better.
• 53:22
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