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Black Applied Behavior Analysts Conference · Why We Do What We Do

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You're listening to Why we do what we do. Welcome to Why we Do
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what we do. I am your conference promoting host, Abraham. Yeah,
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and I'm your conference going host Shane. We're a psychology podcast. We talk
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about all of the things that people do and animals, and sometimes we talk
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about ways that people get together in like learning format, and one of the
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ways that people do that sometimes is conferences. Yes, that's true, and
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we are really excited because today we have an interview. It's a little bit
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different than our normal format, but we do have an interview with some folks
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through the Black Applied Behavior Analysis Conference, the BABA organization here and I think
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the interview is really great and it's a lot of fun, and they're really
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wonderful. They're a really wonderful guests to have. But I think super interesting
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because people don't really know how conferences work, and it's a lot more expensive
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than people know. Yeah, we ended up talking. I mean to put
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it on, not so much to go right right, Probably not as much
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as they need to make it really worthwhile to put it on in the first
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place. But you know, it is a volunteer effort for those of you
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who do go to conferences slightly different from conventions. We do get into sort
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of the behind the scenes a little bit on sort of what it takes to
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put together a conference of this nature. And this is what they're putting on
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is called a mini con yes, which is usually like a single track,
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but this one, I think is a little bit different. So and we'll
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get into all that. We'll get into all the details. I would also
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like to add at the top of the show, this is not a paid
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interview, correct, Just to be clear, Like, I don't want everybody
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thinking to day like showed up and paid and they were like, oh,
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yeah, here's money, and then we'll talk about this. No, like
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we wanted them on the show. They wanted to be on the show.
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Like it ended up being a really cool, really good synergy if you will.
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Yeah, whatever that word means. So I think whether or not you're
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in the field of behavior analysis, whether or not you've ever been to a
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conference professional, otherwise, it's a fun conversation. It's nice to hear other
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people's voices. I think it is kind of inspiring to hear the journey that
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they've been on and what this conference does and stands for, and how much
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work has gone into making it happen. So even if you are listening to
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this thinking I'm not really sure what's here for me, I encourage you to
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get through it and see what you see throughout because they were really wonderful guests.
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Yes, and support support support, yes, absolutely. Well, before
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we dive into this, we're going to acknowledge that this episode comes out on
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June teenth. Happy June Day. Happy Juneteenth, folks. It's also Emancipation
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Day, which is a state holiday in Texas. Okay, but it's National
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Think a Teacher Day. Ah. Yes. It's also Garfield the Cat Day.
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Sure, It's Real Food Day. That's fun. It's National eatn Oreo
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Day. Huh. It is World Sickle Cell Day. It's also World Sauntering
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Day. Okay. It is National Watch Day. It's also International Day for
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the Elimination of Sexual Violence and Conflict. Oh. Agreat, We'll have this
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day and then it will be gone forever. Uh huh. That's that's the
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way that works. Yeah, that's how that's how holidays work, y'all.
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Importantly, it is Animal Rights Awareness Week. Yes. It's also Amateur Radio
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Week. If you're a fan of the Ham Radio Man. This is a
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sort of hot topic and maybe politically charged. It is Refugee Week. Yes,
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yes, yes, yes, only this week though, that's right,
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as we've established how awareness weeks work and all that, so all borders are
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open to refugees right now. This week, go go, go, go
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go. It's Carpenter and Awareness Week. Okay. It is National Forgiveness Week.
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It is National Pollinator Week. It is Learning Disability Week. That's an
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important one. We do, Yes, it is, we do. It's
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National roller Coaster Week. Unless you have vertigo, then it's the worst week
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of your life. National play Catch Week. Oh, I like that.
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Yeah, It's Old Time Fiddler's Week. And we have some month stuff too.
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It's also African American Music Appreciation Month. And keeping on some of the
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theme of other things that we said, it's National Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Month,
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and then there's also the National Pet Preparedness Month and National Foster a Pet
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Month and National micro Chipping Month. A lot to do with pets in June.
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I like that. Also this day in sports, in nineteen fifty five,
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Mickey Mantle hits is one hundredth career home run. Wow. Also,
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I don't know why we haven't said this yet, but it's Pride month,
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yes, happy Pride. Yeah, So a lot of good things to celebrate.
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Also, I'm gonna acknowledge just two birthdays. It is apparently Zoe Saldana's
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birthday today and Selman rushed his birthday today. So yeah, yeah, interesting.
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I had other people that I'm not going to give any space too.
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Yeah. I like that all right. But we just talked about holidays because
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it's fun and there's like certain things to say about those holidays. And sometimes
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occasionally our one of our episodes will actually on a major holiday, like Juneteenth,
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and so we're happy to share those with everybody, and some of them
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we you know, we've got international listeners. Maybe some of them are celebrating
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some of those world more global international holidays. I don't know, but we're
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trying to recognize you as much as we can. I think what we'll go
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ahead and do now, though, is cut to this interview. Is there
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anything else that you'd like to add before we make the transition, Shane,
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No, I think we say it all in the interview, which is just
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basically register for the conference. If you can't volunteer the conference or do any
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of those things, donate to the conference. Do all those things, and
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we'll talk about that in the episode. In the show notes, we'll have
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links and stuff for you to follow. If you're interested in learning more,
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be interested in learning more. Otherwise I'll go ahead and let's I'll cue justin
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now to play a transition to get us to that interview. Hit it justin,
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all right, welcome to why we do what we do interview style.
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I'm going to introduce we have some guests here. This is Jackie Ediaco.
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Oh very nice, yes, sweet, I got it, and Tiana Moore.
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We'll start with you, Jackie, if you just want to tell us
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a little bit about yourself, and then we'll go over to you to Tiana.
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Awesome, Yeah, thank you for having me. So my name is
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Jackie Periaco. I am the membership chair at Black Applied Behavior Analysts. I'm
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also an independent DCBA, so I provide home based services in New Jersey and
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New York. So I'm actually based in New Jersey and I've also been at
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BCCBA since two thousand and seventy. Nice, very good. And Tiana already,
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so hello, I am a Tiana Moore. I work as a senior
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cholinical director with Action Behaviors princhers professionally when it comes with Baba, I am
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our current treasurer. I am based out of textbook. I'm also the mother
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to too Lovely humans, a four year old, well soon to be four
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year old, in a one year old, so they keeping me on my
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toes. Well, congratulations. One of the things we just want to start
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with jumping right into this here is, as you mentioned, you're both here
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on behalf of the Black Applied Behavior Analysis Association and the conference coming up,
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so I always like to just jump right into sort of the conference and what's
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going on with that. We'll also acknowledge that this episode publishes on June teenth,
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which is fantastically serendipitous for the day and relevant to this conference, and
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is about a month out from the conference, right, That is right,
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Yes, the conference is occurring from June nineteenth to the twenty first, And
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yeah, we're super excited that this will be out on June teenth because that's
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actually the day they're offering a nineteen percent discount on conference registrants as well,
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so the conference is actually our first mini con so it's super excited about that.
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That means that it's happening over that weekend, and it's really a conference
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focused on building community between our attendees and giving folks an in person space to
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connect around ABA but also have fun. One thing that we would say is
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we would love for folks listening to go ahead and look at registration and they
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can at Barbara info dot org Forward Slash Conference. Okay, excellent, Yeah,
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and we'll make sure that that's that's included in the show notes as well.
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And I think just for you said that it's July nineteenth, the twenty
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first, right, so it's it's coming up then, Okay, cool,
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so exciting. So it's in Baltimore this year, but it's also virtual,
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right because historically it's been in Detroit, right, well, the first couple
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of conferences we did have in Detroit. It was never Barber's intention to hold
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the conference is just in one particular city as we're kind of going through this
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organizational pieces, but as it's stance now, as we are working through our
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rebirth, in our realignment with who and what we are as an organization,
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we have selected a city a location that is more in line with boba's in
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fighting period of renewal and rebirth, which has really been focusing on changing and
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developing our operational systems, and during our structuring process, our president really discussed
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that we would be selecting the city, selecting a space that was just more
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aligned or continue to be aligned with our goals to be able to support our
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community and cross a vate those experiences. So transitioning from Detroit, which is
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also a very black city, we are now transitioning to another space, another
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location that we'll be able to embody that aspect of our conference. Yeah,
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also during our Black car and conference presently, and we'll be able to discuss
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more of the decisions that were coming up that were to help to determine our
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rebranding within the Baltimoreketing video as well. Okay, and how long have you
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have both you been affiliated with BABA. So I've actually been with Barba for
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a year and a half and I really came to BABA because I was searching
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for a community that I could connect with, including black phinicians, and really
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looking for a space where I would feel safe and not so isolated. So
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Barbara really gave me that community. And just to add to what Tianna had
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said around Baltimore, we're also super excited to be bringing the conference to a
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city that is so rich in black culture, in music. It's vibrant,
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it's energetic, and we think that will be a really important space for attendees
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to connect around the science and also just to have fun, just to enjoy
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themselves and just to let least. So we're seper exciting about that. That's
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amazing. Yeah, there's there's something really wonderful about being in a city that's
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like a cool city for a conference too, because I've been I've been to
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conferences, and I'm sure Abraham you've had this experience too, where we've been
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to conferences because we've been doing this forever at this point in time, and
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just been the conferences where the cities are just not great. You know,
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you're like, man, there is nothing to do here except for stay in
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my hotel. I think there was one time I went to a city in
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Canada and it was like negative ten degrees. I literally couldn't see any of
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the city anyway. So I was like, this is just the worst.
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So the city is important. I think the conference itself is important. You
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brought up that this is a mini con, so can you give everybody some
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insight on like cause especially because we want people to have fun. We want
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people, you know, you're wanting people to like kind of let loose and
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enjoy it and then like connect with the science. And we really want this
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to have like a certain I believe, as the kids say, a vibe
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if we're unpacking it that way. First, what is a mini con?
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So people know? And two you talked about kind of like making it fun
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and immersive, So tell us a little bit about what that looks like too
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already. So our Mini our Black Con, is of course our first mini
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con, and it's it is more intentionally focused on cultivating the community, while
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we're also able to learn from some of those top black industry leaders who are
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deeply aligned with Babba's uplift and empowerments of the black people. We our mini
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conferences starting off Friday with a networking events where we're hosting some powerful supposients the
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following day. So the biggest difference from the previous conferences to the Mini Con
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is that this conference, this Miniican, is going to have just one day
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of just very powerful, very engaging speakers. It's one track where we're really
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focused in our veg on that particular day in the our other days are going
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into song called Galla, and then we're going to close with the numbers on
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the event. So if we're encompassing learning while also being able to be very
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intentional and cultivating spaces of community and opportunities of engagement together, cool, yes.
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And I think adding to that in terms of the mini corn like,
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we're super excited that we've been able to kind of move through this pause and
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kind of reopen with access to a minicn in Baltimore, and we've been really
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thoughtful about our selection of speakers, and we're just excited about having folks who
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can really come and speak to the science and also speak to their expertise.
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And so yeah, mixing that's fun, right, So mixing the thought of
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being in a renaissance gala, right and really thinking about that theme, and
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then as Tiana had mentioned, having the chance to take part in a member's
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only reunion in the park and just relax and connect and unwind, and then
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also just having the access to the opportunity to network as has been discussed,
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So really having the chance to network within this Vegas themed night and network with
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other clinicians. Right. So I'm based in New Jersey, I work in
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New York City. I'm excited to connect with other clinicians that are out in
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California or out in Michigan. So really giving us that space to come together.
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And it's immersive because it's a full conference experience. So you know,
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as Tianna had mentioned, it is a mini con, it's still a full
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conference experience where you get the learning piece, you get the excitement, you
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get the connection, you get the fun, and it's all within this theme
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of rebirth right and reconnection and rebuilding and restructuring. So we're are super exciting
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about this conference. Again. You guys can check out registration at barberinfo dot
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org Forward Slash Conference in case you're thinking, oh, I want to be
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there. I want to be in Baltimore. Yeah. And we'll make sure
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that the Lincoln stuf for all linked up in the show notes too, so
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for anybody listening, please make sure to grab that. We'll share that out
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too, so it's nice and easy to access and all that fun stuff.
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Well, I hate to interrupt with something as nonsensical and superfluous as ads,
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but here they are. All right, let's get back to it. Abraham,
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I don't know if you've had this experience. I've had the experience of
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going to a couple of mini cons and they're actually a lot of fun when
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they're done really well. I think I've been to asy ABA and co FABA.
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Both of those tend to be single track days where the speakers are selected.
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It's designed to be like almost like a single room. Everybody's there to
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learn the same thing. We have some discussions and stuff like that. But
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the difference is, and I think something that y'all are doing that's really cool
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is that you have these explicit networking events that doesn't happen I don't think in
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the same way at these other organizations or like just as a general rule,
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where there's just like really explicit, Hey, come hang out. Well,
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this is all we're doing during this time. We would love to have you
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network and communicate and connect. And so I guess maybe a question I would
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have for y'all, just as a general thing, will be why is that
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so intentional and so important for your conference? Like why is that something that
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you wanted to carve out and make sure was happening compared to some other conferences.
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So one of the pass with the black community is that we're underrepresented in
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a lot of different components and then more specifically within the field, and sometimes
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it can feel like we're just on an island, you know, when really
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we have individuals who may work in a clinic center setting, who may be
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home based, who may be independent contractors, so they may not be able
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to have the opportunity to meet and to collaborate and to cultivate relationships with others.
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So being able to take the learning opportunities it also is just as important
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breast so learn it has to be to have space to meet other people,
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to be able to just kind together amongst amongs our community, and to know
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that, you know, while when you're at home or while when you're out
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in the field and working, it may feel like you're a little bit alone,
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but in reality they you're not. You know, you can create some
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relationships so that when we go back, you have people that you can reach
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out to who may understand some of the challenges you are just maybe experiencing.
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Is that I went there sometimes I love that. I think as well.
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Fellowship as well is a central part of our values, which are president Anisia
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Gingles and board members will discuss more black com kind of like how we've worked
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through this pause and how we've established our values and so creating those spaces for
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fellowship, those places to network across different professions. So we're not you know,
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we're embracing BCBAs and BCBA t's. We're also talking about BCBA d's and
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we're also talking about RBTs eat right, we're also talking about behavior technicians b
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c A bas. What opportunities can we create for folks across the different levels
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of the field to network and engage. So that's why that event, the
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networking event, is so key to our values and financial foundational reliefs. And
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then just as we're talking about those that are and self professional, we talk
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about we have the goal and the navigating and being able to support their families
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as well. So we have parents who you know, have been able to
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benefit from baba's offerings, like from things that we've been able to offer via
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scholarships or just resources. So it's also helped support those families and under family
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like sometimes it also feels like, you know, there's only one way to
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navigate your child or to navigate those family expectations, but it gives them additional
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resources and suff that way as well. I got to say, I think
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it's very cool, very amazing to see how much you know is going on
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with all of this. I mean, this sounds like a really cool conference.
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I've unfortunately not been and now I you know, I'm very curious.
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I would like to, you know, check out as Chhane said, probably
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have to do the online version of not able to travel much right around these
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times, but having that be available, I assume that this is a CEU
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event for people who are BCBAs who who need some CUS as well. Yes,
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this is a CEO event for people that are b CBA. So we
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are offering CEUs through our speaker events. Yes, perfect, great, and
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just thinking about like, you know, not that long ago, the field
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looked a lot like just Shaane in myself and that was it. And so
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seeing the kind of diversity that's that's available, we just badly needed it for
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us to have our science be helpful for the most possible people and be clinically
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applicable. And so I really love the opportunity that this conference is cultivating to
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foster, you know, further growth and really include more people that have a
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lot to offer and a lot to share and a lot to teach. Us
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in their own experiences as well. So I guess if you had to pick
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one thing you're most looking forward to each of you at this conference, what
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would be the highlights that you like? This is the get the foot in
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the door for people that you know you're going to enjoy and that other people
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might enjoy. I can jump in. I'm actually looking forward to all of
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it. So I'm like totally pumped the whole conference, and it's hard for
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me to separate the days. What I am especially looking forward to, though,
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is the chance to connect with folks in person, So really getting there,
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arriving in Baltimore, reconnecting, finding out how folks are doing, just
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having those real conversations. I'm super excited about that. And I do live
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in New Jersey and I practice in New York City, So Harlan Renaissance Gala,
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I'm going to be excited about for that, already planning my outfit for
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that. I love that I should the same sentiments as Jackie, you know.
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I'm really excited to be able to see everyone I have been able to
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see and meet and learn learn from over the last few years since Baba's inception,
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So just being able to continue to like you know, pusing somebody and
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just give them a good squeeze and catch up in person and have have that
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conversation. I'm also excited about the Callas. Any reason to dress up.
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You know that I love my children. Are not centered around children. I'm
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cared for it. You know I love them, Please love it me out.
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But I'm excited for that is to see everyone, to see all of
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the hard work that we have put into play during this cause, this planning,
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to just come out and just be right there and just see it all
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pay off. I'm very excited for that. Fantastic There's got to be something
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so rewarding about being able to put something. It's I mean, it's such
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an accomplishment, right. I've thought about conferences and thought about state organizations and
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stuff because I've been I've been doing behavior analysis and been involved in behavior analysis
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for like the last fifteen years, and my first experience was with FABA.
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And so that's a state organization, it's linked to ABAI. There's lots of
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stuff there, like and we're not going to unpack all of that today.
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Okay. I actually really love FABA. I think FABA has done a great
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job for advocating and doing this great job where I can go to a conference
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and I feel like it's a reunion. But that's a that's an established I
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guess, state conference and state organization that's been around for fifty years at this
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point in time, right, forty fifty years. So when you think of
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like setting up a new conference, setting up a conference where it's I mean,
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Baba is only really what a few years old, right, it's about
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five years old or so roughly. Okay, okay, so five years old,
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you're coming into your own You're figuring out voice, you're figuring out values
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that in itself, I would imagine is a little bit challenging. Right,
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there's growing pains, there's there's all kinds of stuff going on. But I
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also think that it probably feels really great to have accomplished all of this,
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to have a conference that is unique and specific to needs that you've identified and
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specific to values that you look at. So I guess maybe a question that
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I would have for y'all is, what do you feel is like the biggest
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accomplishment that you have had as part of Baba or that you're most proud of
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as part of being with Baba, with being with the conference, Like what
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do you kind of like put on like this is what I would put on
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my CV. This is the thing that I would shout from the mountaintops,
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is like, I am so proud of this thing that we've done. I
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think the one thing that I'm really proud of when it comes to our conference
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with some sort of organizations, our board members, is that we really push
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each other, like out of those comfort zones and then to the next one
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and really like push. And so although I'm doing this podcast, really important
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to know I am, I'm not at the end of the front and center.
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You know. Public speaking is not my jam, not my saying this
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is a little bit more calming. But during ours so our very first conference
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was a virtual conference, you know, and I was able to give our
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clothing sentiments at that point in time, and then the next year when we
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had our second conference and was in person to be able to have other people
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who at that point in the time I've never met in my life kind of
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hone in on those words that I spoke the year before. It was like
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it was beautiful, It was it very much like excited me and it just
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was like, Okay, you have things to share. You know, and
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Baba pushes us to like know that we have things to share, to be
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validated, and that it's to grow in like being okay with speaking and being
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out in the front and center. And I think that even with some of
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our conferences, because I've been able to engage with some of the speakers,
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some of them, especially like the student wants you know, they're terrified when
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they go up there, and when they're done, they're like, I did
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it. I did this, and it was presented to hundreds of people,
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but I was able to work through the nerds and hey, I was I
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did it. And it's sometimes without intentional rooting, like how Biba plans some
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of those because may not have had that opportunity, or it may it took
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them a little bit longer to get there. And it's just I'm proud of
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us for how we are not afraid to stay grounded and what we believe in
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and how we are supporting one another. Oh, that's so cool, that's
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very cool. I agree, there's a lot about I'm proud of when it
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comes to Barbera, and I think for me, it does stretch back to
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twenty nineteen, right and recognizing kat Jackson who kind of coined the organization and
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started this like within a Facebook group, and now we've gone to become an
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organization. So that is really powerful, That is really amazing, and I'm
26:03
very proud that she gave us the foundation right and the space to be even
26:07
having this conversation. I'm also proud of the work that we've done previously in
26:12
terms of connecting with our members. Again, we're going to speak a little
26:17
bit more about about some of the commitments that we made during the couse at
26:19
Black Coon and really go into detail about our one hundred day plan and the
26:26
work that we've done leading up to reopening with this conference. So I'm extremely
26:30
proud of that. I'm excited about our commitments that we've made and our reconnection
26:37
to what is foundational to the org, so centering blackness and understanding that we
26:44
have worked to do right. So black folks are underrepresented in the field.
26:48
We have five point zero six percent of us according to the Behavior Analyst Certification
26:52
Board are represented at the BCBA BCBAD level. Roughly thirteen percent of us are
27:00
represented overall in the field. We're underrepresented given the high needs in this science,
27:07
and so we're really seeking to understand how we can increase representation. And
27:14
I'm proud of that. I'm proud that we're saying, hey, these statistics
27:17
are not good enough. We need better, and we want better and we
27:21
want to be represented. So I think that's, for me what I'm very
27:26
proud of. I couldn't agree more. I think it's really fantastic and I'm
27:29
really excited for you all this conference that you're doing, and it just it
27:33
strikes me you have both done in a pretty incredible amount of work, I
27:38
think with respect to this conference and the organization as a whole. I guess
27:44
the question I was just going to ask is sort of I mean, I'm
27:47
kind of in awe of how much you've been able to put this together.
27:49
So, like, what did it take to get this conference happening? A
27:53
lot of planning. It's probably nice and simple, right it's breezy, Yeah,
28:02
yeah, So it's exactly that. So it's been a lot of planning,
28:04
a lot of meetings under leadership that has been restructured. Our president Delisha
28:08
Gingles, our vice president Canny Williams, we really looked at you, how
28:14
can make a commitment to planning a conference that it is going to be powerful,
28:18
that is going to be inspiring, that is going to be immersive.
28:21
And what that has meant has actually meant weekly meetings right at like eight pm
28:26
on a Monday. It has meant a commitment to doing research, to reaching
28:30
out to sponsors, to reaching out to folks to really involve them in this
28:34
conference. And I think this work has been voluntary. Right, so we're
28:38
here on a Sunday. You know this is voluntary. We do this out
28:42
of service to the black community, and that is really powerful. It's also
28:48
part of the work. And so I just want to speak to that piece
28:52
of things because I think it really does again speak to just how important this
28:56
organization is and just how intentional we are in the world. Luck that we're
29:00
doing all right, now's a good time to go and register for the conference.
29:04
You should go do that. Stop this episode, go register during these
29:07
ads or just let them play and then register later. Either way is fine.
29:11
But you know, ads one of the things I think of two You
29:22
mentioned a lot of meetings, a lot of planning and stuff like that.
29:25
I imagine that there's probably some piccups that go along with finding venues and all
29:32
that stuff. So what was maybe the surprising thing that that you came up
29:36
with or that you experienced when you were planning this conference, because I think
29:40
people don't realize what all goes into it. I mean, you all mentioned
29:42
meetings, but you're talking about finding speakers, planning speakers, agreeing on who's
29:49
even going to speak at the conference, right like in what that looks like?
29:52
So what were some of the more surprising things like some of the more
29:56
surprising headaches that came up when you were planning the conference, Because I think
29:59
people well don't realize how much work and it goes into just organizing as even
30:03
a single day of conference stuff. I think that the biggest shock to everyone
30:08
as we were going through planning is the cost. So some of us like
30:14
had, oh, it'll be around this much for I don't know, we'll
30:18
just say of one room reservation to like hoot one room reservation and to come
30:25
back with that it's not that much. That is that the quotes that we're
30:30
receiving, it's very different, or just the different costs just across you know,
30:34
states and everything. So in Texas what a DJ might cost is going
30:41
to be what I've learned is significantly different than what one would cost in like
30:44
Michigan as it is with Baltimore. So just really navigating the perceived costs expectations
30:52
lesus without actual have been I've been the learning a learning curve for sure.
30:56
Yeah. When they show up with that av costs, you're like, are
30:59
you kidding? I think we've said that quite a bit. Actually, is
31:11
that, Oh they're trying to do as much for a day on profession you
31:15
need to something else out? Oh yeah, avy food. Even just having
31:21
coffee is like its own expense, and people don't even realizing having like accessible
31:23
coffee for people at a conference can be quite a bit, let alone all
31:27
the other things. So absolutely, yeah. So I think Tianna definitely spoke
31:30
to the cost being a challenge for us and recognizing that we are currently in
31:34
the space where we're still looking for businesses to sponsor events at the conference,
31:38
which they can also access in your links. So folks are interested in sponsoring
31:44
and supporting our work. If you cannot register for a Black Come which is
31:47
taking place in July, you can sponsor or you can actually donate as well,
31:52
so there are ways to support. I think the other thing to add
31:56
is also that recognizing that our speakers so speak who come from the Black community,
32:01
who are speaking on various topics including you know, functioning as a professional
32:06
in aba, including examining a historical analysis of spiritual practices for example, from
32:14
the West African biaspora, really thinking about building their business. These speakers are
32:20
highly sought after speakers, So recognizing that that is a challenge for us when
32:24
we are seeking access to speakers, to Black speakers, and understanding that they
32:31
may not be available for Black Con right, we really want them there,
32:35
We'd love for them to share, but they have a packed schedule or they
32:37
might be on vacation. So that's definitely a challenge for us, and it's
32:43
a challenge that we've been able to navigate. And so we're super super fortunate
32:46
that we have been able to secure the amazing speakers that will be at Black
32:51
Con next month. So super excited about that. I was actually going to
32:54
ask, you know, what sort of talks people could be, you know,
32:58
on the lookout for it. I've definite found and Shane, I'm interested
33:01
to hear your idea. But over the years, I feel like I'm sort
33:05
of I sort of see the same talks over and over again, and so
33:07
I'm more drawn now to things that are not you know, what I'm used
33:12
to seeing. I'm like, I'm here to learn. I'd like to see
33:15
something that's outside of what I normally see at one of these conferences. And
33:20
I'm always interested to, you know, just hear someone else's voice and ideas
33:23
and perspective and topic that I haven't before, because again, for me,
33:28
that's an opportunity to learn. And I did want to ask really quick or
33:31
maybe I'll say something and let you expand on it. But as you mentioned,
33:36
the planning of this is is a huge part of being able to put
33:38
on any kind of conference. And the trick is, of course that I
33:42
think maybe people don't think about sometimes that you're sort of it's kind of a
33:47
hope and a prayer. You're like, we want to put this together.
33:50
We are in a hope that this many people attend, and that for that
33:54
reason, it's so massively important for people to register early, you know,
34:00
soon as they know they're going to come, or even you know, honestly,
34:02
just the more notice you have, the better able you can. You're
34:06
able to plan and execute on a flawless conference. So just as a thing
34:10
to add is like if you're thinking of going, Like, first of all,
34:14
go, but second of all, register right away so that you know,
34:17
everyone on working to put this conference together has the notice that they can
34:22
plan around what to expect in terms of attendance, because that means different things
34:25
for different numbers. You know, one hundred people showing up is very different
34:30
than a thousand people showing up in terms of what you've got to do.
34:31
Absolutely, yes, register, register, Register. If you registered today June
34:36
nineteen, you do have the chance to receive a nineteen percent discount to attend
34:42
the conference in July. So that is an important point. Like we're in
34:45
the planning processes right now, but we're like solidifying everything. So registering as
34:52
soon as possibly is key. In terms of the speakers, yeah, I
34:54
mean we have a wide range of speakers. One exilemple fix on was Dr
35:00
Denise Ross speaking on us the power of supportive sister circles in our career journeys,
35:07
right, and so we're really looking to turn in on professionals who have
35:13
the expertise thinking about mindful activism, seeking wellness and educational justice, right and
35:20
so really these kinds of presentations this is the conference event of the year right,
35:25
You're not going to get these presentations anywhere and everywhere, and that's why
35:30
we're so excited to have these speakers represented. Right. Another example is enhancing
35:37
clinical prescriptions and applied behavior analysis. Right. So I'm excited. I am
35:43
totally pumped at the thought of being able to sit and immerse myself in these
35:47
speakers. And I'm hoping that attendees and folks who are thinking about registering are
35:52
now like, well, I need to register, like I need to be
35:55
in Baltimore in July. Can I just say I gotta say Jackie and I
36:00
have worked together on some things in the past, and it's always been really
36:05
wonderful. I just want everybody to know that if you don't know Jackie,
36:07
the thing is is that she sounds like this really amazing, like almost like
36:13
a hired gun hype woman right now. But like the truth is is like
36:16
she is so enthusiastic about this is like legitimately like authentic, how like this
36:22
is all real, Like this is not her just going like you should go
36:24
like this is very much so like no, I believe in this. This
36:28
is a value of mine. So like I want everybody to know who doesn't
36:31
know Jackie like that, this is like, you know, it's so great
36:35
to hear you talk about it and be so enthusiastic about it, because I
36:37
know how enthusiastic you are about it. I appreciate that, yes, and
36:40
I think that you know that is the truth. I am enthusiastic about it,
36:45
and I think to add I'm a bit of an introvert, right,
36:47
so I'm definitely someone who, if I have the option, I'll probably just
36:52
kind of log in and do my CEUs online and not kind of have to
36:54
engage with folks. And Tiana is laughing because she knows this trip, so
37:00
you know, but this is the conference where I'm like, you know what,
37:02
I'm going to hop on that train and I'm going to go down to
37:05
Baltimore and I'm going to be then I'm going to represent and I'm going to
37:07
connect with folks. And I think, yeah, I'm also someone who is
37:12
super passionate about the science of a bride behavior analysis. I believe in the
37:15
science. I believe it works, and I believe that our perspective, right,
37:20
the perspective offered by black folks in the field is a powerful, essential
37:25
and important perspective. And I think all we do is we just add to
37:30
the existing body of science and we really move things to another level and another
37:37
conversation. So that is why I'm so excited. That is why I'm pumped
37:39
on a signs a more morning. I also do have coffee as well,
37:46
the secret ingredient to most most productivity. That does help. That does help.
37:51
YEP, I wish I could say help for me right at this point
37:54
is just the thing for me? I sure the thing he like being able
38:01
to be present, you know, like when I recently want to talk about
38:09
the comments a lot of work, and so I think sometimes people are like,
38:13
oh, you're just just you're just trying to plug it in, and
38:15
it's just like no, if you have never been to a Bible conference,
38:20
you are literally missing out. And even this time around, it's so much
38:27
just like social engagement planned intentionally and networking planned intentionally. That is just I'm
38:32
like quivering and just and not wait if the anticipation is is insane, you
38:38
know, like, let's get there and I'm ready. I'm so ready to
38:45
be amongst everyone and amongst our community and among people who are who look like
38:51
me and who are able to teach me and be present with me. So,
38:58
yeah to that sent Tianna that you just mentioned, I have heard that
39:01
from multiple people. Yeah, Like I haven't heard that from people who are
39:06
just involved with Baba. Like I've heard that from multiple people who have attended
39:09
or like been involved with the organization and done work with them, or I've
39:14
heard that sentiment that general sentiment over the years, like since Baba has come
39:19
up. So I don't think that that's like a uniquely individual feeling in terms
39:24
of like this is just I'm really excited about this. I think that there's
39:28
a general buzz around this conference because I think people genuinely enjoy the stuff that
39:32
Baba's doing, whether it is the conference, whether it is the activism work
39:37
where you are getting donations to help get scholarships out to people like, which
39:40
is stuff that a lot of organizations don't really spend it a lot of time
39:44
highlighting too, right, Like the donations go back into supporting members of the
39:49
community students that are coming into programs. I mean, this is not and
39:52
I think this is something that people conflate, which they'll say, oh,
39:57
Baba is a conference. It's like Baba, there's the conference part and then
40:00
there's the organization part, and they do so many things for the folks that
40:04
they represent, and I think that is so critically important for people to walk
40:07
away with this too, is it's not just about the conference, because like,
40:10
conferences are cool, but it's an annual thing. But how great is
40:13
it to support the organization over the year, you know, over the next
40:17
year, into the next conference, into the next five conferences, and like
40:21
taking those values and taking that and bring them back into clinical practice. So
40:23
I just wanted to make a point of that too, because I want people
40:25
to know that, like, we're not just talking about the conference, we
40:28
are also talking about the incredible work that Bob is doing too. I wanted
40:30
to jump in real quick with a question because that made me think that,
40:35
like, one of the things I feel like people should know in hearing this
40:39
and maybe thinking whether or not they're going to go, is from both of
40:43
you have and to what extent do you feel like this this conference and Baba
40:47
Moore generally has I guess affected you professionally and even personally. That's a great
40:53
question in the sense of when you're not trying to think like all puristically,
41:00
like I'm doing this for the good, you know, how has this organization
41:04
affected me. I've stated earlier, I'm pretty introverted throughout this entire educational process
41:14
that I've always been involved in something, whether it's community based, school based
41:20
that was meant for the black community, and just kind of developing within that
41:25
space whichever project I've been on. But when it comes to Bible specifically,
41:32
it has really just helped me just know that I'm not alone, you know,
41:38
as I have been pushed beyond limits when it comes to like public speaking,
41:45
to just know that I can do those things. It has pushed me
41:50
to know that there's a community of folks into I'm very introverted and like starting
41:58
conversations with people, it's just me initiating, no nerve wucking, you know.
42:05
But being able to be within community and be evolving this organization and have
42:10
so many people just kind of cheering you on from the sidelines virtually in person
42:16
has really just helped kind of reshape my ability to navigate like your social components.
42:24
It's helped me to continue to be okay with being a more outspoken voice.
42:30
I guess is what Baba has done for me. Cool. Yeah,
42:35
Baba has really done a lot for me. I think that some of what
42:40
has really kind of empowered me during this pause, are definitely going to speak
42:45
about at Black Corn. I think that in the intermediate though, I think,
42:49
well, one big thing that Baba has empowed me to do is actually
42:52
apply for PhD and behavior now and get accepted. So now she started nice,
42:57
congratulations, yes and thank you, And so that's a big deal for
43:01
me because I think what Barba has shown me is that I have facility with
43:07
the science of Aba. I can engage in a dialogue about ABA, and
43:10
I can immerse myself in the science and apply it to practice. And Barbara
43:15
has really given me the spaces to do that. So that's quite powerful,
43:19
and you know, it's helped to kind of counter some of those feelings that
43:22
I have experienced with imposter syndrome, right and with kind of feeling like,
43:27
oh, should I be in this space? And Barbara has shown me that
43:30
you should absolutely be in this space. You should absolutely build your own table,
43:34
right like you should absolutely pursue those interests, those dreams, those questions.
43:39
And what we're also doing is is we're having this real conversation about intersectionality
43:45
at Barber, which I think has been important for me. Personally right,
43:51
just because I am someone that does. I do have visual issues, and
43:53
I do struggle with migraines, and I think Barber has embraced me in all
43:59
of that. And I think this intersectionality conversation that we've started having is a
44:02
lot more broad, and we'll get into that, but it's a lot more
44:07
broad, and it's really thinking about what identities are there represented within and between
44:14
our members, and how do we make sure that they are seen right?
44:16
And so you know, one example is celebrating Pride month, right, Happy
44:20
Pride. Absolutely two folks who are celebrating right like I'm in New Jersey.
44:24
There's a huge Pride celebration close by, which I'm excited about, and so
44:29
recognizing those layers has also been really important to me. All Right, We're
44:34
going to take one more break to do the ads and then we'll be right
44:37
back. All right, back to our conversation. One thing that stands out
44:49
to me, Araham, you said at the beginning, where you know,
44:52
historically the field has looked like Abraham and I right, and you see that
44:57
in academia, and you see that in that space. And I think one
45:00
of the things that really stands out to me is Uh and Jackie you just
45:02
mentioned it. Sometimes it's like you have to build your own table, right,
45:07
And I think that one of the things that Baba and Weba and these
45:13
organizations that are not directly linked to ABAI that are kind of separated out as
45:16
like independent organizations that are doing this really cool thing for folks that deserve the
45:21
space. It's creating this opportunity to give folks skills to be able to push
45:27
back against those systems and push into those spaces where historically they wouldn't have.
45:30
I mean Tianna you mentioned before, like your public speaking stuff, Like for
45:35
folks that struggle with public speaking, being able to speak at a conference where
45:37
you're feeling supported and safe and represented gives you the confidence. It gives the
45:42
opportunity to be able to push into those other spaces where historically that has not
45:45
been the case. And I think that is one of the most important and
45:47
critical side effects of organizations like Baba and Weba and stuff like that, in
45:52
those spaces where you can help foster that skill to push back against systems that
45:55
have stored historically not been supportive of marginalized groups like Jackie Menishing Pride and folks
46:00
in those spaces, and folks with visual impairments and stuff like that. Those
46:04
organizations have not historically done a great job of DEI initiatives around that stuff.
46:07
So I think it's worth just celebrating the fact that an organization is giving people
46:13
a space to be able to help not just build a table and have a
46:15
table that they can be represented at, but also to give them skills to
46:20
push into those other tables that they have historically not been able to, or
46:22
at least change those other tables, or at least, you know, take
46:25
people out of the seats that they shouldn't be in those spaces too. Like,
46:28
I think that's I think that's just something worth celebrating that I find very
46:31
valuable as somebody who has historically benefited from all the things that the system has
46:37
given white folks, right, And so I just think that that's something that
46:40
I've kind of learned and started to kind of reconcile and start to think about
46:45
and ruminate on a lot over the last few years. And I just really
46:47
like that about baba and like why it's so important for baba to exist in
46:52
organizations like that. So I don't know if I had a question around that.
46:54
I think that was just a general thought, but it was just something
46:58
I I've been reflecting on a lot. I think I've been reflecting on it
47:00
quite a bit since Barba kind of came up. I was like, good
47:05
now, I was like, then, what does this mean and what does
47:06
this look like? And I think that's just been a reflection I've had for
47:08
quite some time. Yeah, I don't know if there's anything to say to
47:12
that. So I think it's nuanced, it's complicated, and I think it's
47:15
also clear to us like there is a need right for this space, for
47:21
this conference, and in addition to the conference, what happens after the conference,
47:25
right that continued connection, that continued community, and that continued push for
47:30
representation. I think that Barber is recognizing that members of there are members of
47:36
our community who are, as we talked about, building their own table,
47:39
creating their own businesses, working for themselves. There are also folks who are
47:45
literally just starting out right and maybe do have a supervisor that doesn't look like
47:50
them, or maybe they are the only black person within that company. Maybe
47:55
they are kind of concerned about sharing elements of their ide identity because that could
48:01
impact their position and so we're looking to encompass all of those folks in this
48:07
conversation, in this conference, we're looking to really encourage them to attend right
48:14
and to be there in person and to be immersed. And then I think
48:16
it is also a space for practitioners to come and also learn right and see
48:22
these speakers and connect and then go back and be like, hey, well,
48:27
how do I need to reshape and change the existing power structure at my
48:30
company? Right? Like how do I work to increase representation of black people
48:37
within my space at my company or at my clinic or at my practice.
48:44
And so this is why I say it's a nuanced conversation. You know,
48:47
challenging systemic racism takes time, it takes work, and we are committed to
48:54
that work. I love it. One of the components in overall realization is
49:00
in the processing that many of us have gone through when it comes to Bob,
49:07
the conference and the organization is that we need at the conference. Right,
49:13
we build community at a conference, but then a lot of people tend
49:16
to come back and not just say how can I, you know, take
49:19
it back to work, but also how can I now support by the organization
49:25
too? So I think that being able to but the conference is this this
49:30
holy grill of community and opportunity and learning and meeting. But then it also
49:36
helps you identify there's more need and people need me and we do you know,
49:44
we need we need you to help shape and continue to shape other individuals
49:50
that are going to be in the field and help the community and like really
49:53
be involved in those aspects. And I think the conferences where kind of it
49:58
starts, it bubbles a little it and then it boils over into throughout the
50:02
year where you know, we may have people who at first may not have
50:07
been really sure or where like how do I volunteer, how do I get
50:09
active? How what do I need to do to continue to help support and
50:15
they're able to have access to that information more intimately and more in person when
50:20
they're you know, speaking right to us right in the midst of the conference,
50:23
and they can then we can then build on that relationship, build on
50:28
that interaction and to where we have individuals who go from this conference attendees to
50:34
being volunteers or being even like on the board and just helping continue to build
50:38
and support that way. Love that message to our listeners, if you are
50:45
interested in supporting the mission of this organization and this conference. Register, sign
50:49
up, donate, volunteer, get involved, and go do that right now,
50:53
right now, get out there. And if you don't, then you
50:55
don't support the mission. And that's just just what I'm declaring to strong stance
51:00
that struck. Yeah, we need it. I'm fully in. I think
51:06
one thing that I just the simplest thing. Even if you can't do any
51:07
of those things, if you can't volunteer, you can't donate for whatever reason,
51:10
just share the information. Share it out to people. Because there's people
51:15
that like maybe we'll never know that Bob existed, or they're getting in like
51:19
you mentioned, they're getting into the field. They're brand new to the field,
51:22
so they have never they have no idea what conference to go to this
51:24
year or the next year, they have no idea what organizations to join.
51:29
Like So, even if you can't do all the other things, just share
51:31
it for folks so people can see it, because even the visibility is more
51:36
helpful than you could possibly know. Absolutely agreed. Yeah, I don't I
51:39
don't need. Don't mean to financial shame anybody for whom the financial aspect is
51:45
difficult, he said. Volunteer you said, Yeah, it's fair. Fair.
51:51
Your enthusiasm both of you is infectious. I'm very much looking forward to
51:55
this. Is there anything else you'd like to add or or even you know,
51:59
personal nicdotes, fun stories to share, anything before we let you go?
52:04
Well, I think I didn't also add and I'm realizing this, so
52:06
I you know, I grew up in London and now live in New Jersey.
52:08
Right, practice in New York. So definitely one to also speak to
52:13
the international community, right and the fact that there are books all over the
52:16
world. Again, we recognize that financial pieces has just been talked about.
52:21
So if you can't fly in and join us in July in Baltimore, you
52:24
can also register virtually we would love for you to be there in person there
52:29
And so yeah, I definitely want to also speak to the fact that Barbara
52:31
is an international organization and we do welcome those those folks who you might not
52:35
be in the US. Love it as introverted as I am. I just
52:40
want forever just already some meet some say hi, make me a little bit
52:46
uncomfortable and just breathe and say hey, I heard you on the podcast.
52:51
I'm going to say hi. I know you might shy away, but it's
52:53
okay. Just say hi. I mean give me you know some say hi
52:59
so all of us and meet someone new and come just be a part of
53:05
the fun because it's a good time. It's a very good time. The
53:07
learning experiences, the networking, all of it. It is a grand old
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time. So don't miss out. Awesome, Thank you so much for coming
53:16
on and talking about this, this conference, about the organization. I caught
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the infectious enthusiasm that you're spreading, and I hope others did too, so
53:27
I'm looking forward to it. Awesome. Thank you so much for having us.
53:30
Thank you. Then, Yeah, this was so great. Go to
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black Con. Go sign up, do all the things, give them all
53:37
your money, give them as much money, give them all, do all
53:39
that stuff, you know, all of it. Yeah. Volunteer, come
53:44
volunteer. They need volunteers, Yeah they do. If you're a student,
53:46
it's really great for your resume. So and you get some experience with conferences.
53:51
So go do that. If you're a student, volunteer. If you're
53:53
an analyst, go volunteer. If you are around, volunteer, do it.
53:58
I kept forgetting. I want to make sure I plug the website is
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BABA info so b A b A info dot org. And if you're looking
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to donate, b A b A info dot org, slash donate and certainly
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help. But you'll find information about the conference and the organization at that website.
54:12
So at the very least go check it out. That's something you can
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do. I mean, you're listening to this, you're probably listening to your
54:16
from your phone, so just pull up a browser and go check out the
54:20
website. Yes, and sponsors. They're still looking for sponsors, so that's
54:23
right. I believe that link is behavior live dot com, Slash Conferences,
54:27
Slash black com, Slash call for sponsors. But we will include all those
54:30
links as well. We'll make sure and if you can please sponsor that is
54:35
helpful as well. All right, cool, Thank you both, Thank you
54:37
both for being here. This is great. Thanks for having us. All
54:46
right, so we'll go ahead and wrap things up here again. Thank you
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so much to Jackie and Tiana for joining us to talk about the conference and
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share their you know, their enthusiasm and what they're looking forward to. And
54:58
I don't know, I feel like they really sold me on the idea of
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you know, what sounds like fun. There's a lot to learn. There's
55:05
a lot that people can take away from this, and of course there's you
55:07
know, CEUs for those of you who need CEUs and are looking to an
55:12
event where you might get a kind of different experience that you're used to and
55:15
then also get CEUs. So as a consideration, yeah, and I think
55:19
it's also nice to have a conference alternative to the big conferences or state conferences
55:24
that you don't like or anything like that. So even if even if you
55:28
have already planned your conferences for the year, it's nice to get out and
55:30
kind of and get out of the box and do something a little bit different,
55:34
you know, absolutely, and hopefully you know, a month isn't It's
55:37
not like a huge amount of plenty, but it's also you know, I
55:39
think a lot of people make plans about a month out from when they're going
55:43
to do something, So you know, good on that, Yeah, exactly,
55:45
all right. Well, I think that that is about what we have
55:47
to say. Anything that you'd like to add before we get to our sort
55:52
of closing out stuff, No, I think that covers it. If you'd
55:55
like to support the show, our show, things that we do here,
55:59
We're always happy to have people here and if you do that, then I'm
56:01
gonna read your name, and that includes people such as Mike m Megan,
56:07
Mike T, Justin Kim, Joshua, Brad, Stephanie, Olivia, Brian,
56:10
Ashley, Kiara, and Michelle. Thank you all so much for being
56:14
wonderful patron supporters and that's why I say your name. Yes, we appreciate
56:19
you so so, so so much. Yes. In addition, I have
56:22
my team of people that really help me do this show writing and fact checking
56:24
from Shane and myself, audio engineering and mastering, and wonderfulness from Justin and
56:30
Our social media coordinator is Emma Wilson. If you like to reach us directly,
56:35
you can email us at info at wwdwwdpodcast dot com or on the social
56:39
media platforms. If you'd like to learn more about BABA as part of the
56:44
organization or the conference, as I mentioned in this again, it's just babainfo
56:47
dot org BABA info dot org. You can learn more about it there.
56:52
Love it. Otherwise, you can support the show if you don't want to
56:54
do so financially, by picking up some merch, leaving us a rating and
56:58
review, liking and subscribing, telling a friend, maybe going to conferences that
57:02
we have promoted and letting them know that we promoted them there, so that
57:06
then they want to come do more episodes with us. That could be a
57:07
thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I would love that. But I
57:09
think that's all we have to say for now. We'll have a sort of
57:14
back to regularly scheduled program episode next week. Yep, we're gonna I think,
57:19
what are we doing next week? We're I don't know, are we
57:21
all thumbs next week? I don't know what we're doing. If we might
57:23
be all thumbs next week, that might be all what's going on? Little
57:29
teaser, And then of course we have you know, our mini comes out
57:31
even before that, so we'll have a mini. We'll have thumbs, we'll
57:36
talk about stuff. It'll be weird, it'll be great. Welcome to the
57:39
show, y'all. But I think that's what we have, so I'll let
57:44
it go there. This is Abraham and this is Shane. You've been listening
57:47
to Why we Do what we do. You can learn more about this and
57:52
other episodes by going to WWDWWD podcast dot com. Thanks for listening, and
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we hope you have an awesome day