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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 2/15/24 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  This is the best of Mosher, Lombardi and Kane. Happy President's Day from
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  Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five. Let's sit out to me ramos La Line,
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  ramos Law, Medical doctor and attorney, Ramoslaw dot com and all conversations
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  with this man Jeff Lagwell ESPN dot com are brought to you by Betsave Colorado,
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  the exclusive club for passionate gamers and betters across the state Legy. I
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  have many questions for you following the Super Bowl from last week, and the
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  first one is is it a big deal that the Niners players, all of
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  them, were not aware of the overtime rule. It feels like it didn't
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  matter in the end. But should that be something that Kyle Shanahan is criticized
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  for. Yeah, I guess the criticism should be just the strategy of it.
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  I don't know that players are always given the rundown of every decision,
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  the base of every decision. I just think, you know, you know,
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  it was new to everybody, and I think now it's pretty clear.
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  If you have the ball second, you're in four down territory immediately, and
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  that gives you an extra down sort of to play with without any risk.
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  You know, other than not converting. But I think that was what I
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  took away from it, just that it's pretty clear taking the ball first is
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  is not awesome. I don't think because I especially if you have mahomes.
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  Just just a quick follow up to it too, because I heard Plumbus Hastings
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  and d mac talking about this, what would have happened if all the players
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  weren't aware in the Niners scored a touchdown and sprinted onto the field thinking that
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  they want and got a fifteen yard flag like chaos. It was new to
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  everybody, and he made you know, look, we don't know in the
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  heat of the moment. I've had players tell me ten minutes after the Super
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  Bowl things they later said, hey, you know that wasn't quite right,
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  or you know, I've had that happen. So in the heat of that
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  moment, in the disappointment and the crushing disappointment, you're liable to say many
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  things. I would be stunned if they did not go over it in a
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  meeting at some point, and you know, people just sort of brush that
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  aside. You know, maybe they didn't address it on the practice field.
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  But it's really really hard for me to believe an NFL head coach didn't address
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  that in a team meeting at some point. The fallout Jeffrey in San Francisco,
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  to me is quite stunning for Steve Wilkes to be fired a day after
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  that. And I looked at that game. I went back and thought about
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  it. The defense wasn't bad. Hell, the offense has to finish a
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  drive and overtime. Why does Steve wilts get the knife on a game that
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  really wasn't his fault. Yeah, they come in and you talk to people
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  in the league, and that's always going to be a question. It's like
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  they were looking for somebody to to, you know, take the heat for
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  it. I thought, you know, I thought Kyle looked really mad when
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  they he called a time out late because he didn't like something the defense was
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  doing. Whether it was a it looked like a cover zero look to me
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  looking at it. But there's a late time out from Kyle when the defense
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  is on the field, and you know, and it's just something like that.
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  After the Super Bowl. It seems like an emotional decision. People make
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  emotional decisions. I get it, but I don't know that one seems like
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  he was thinking a long time, it wasn't quite a fit, and he
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  just sort of did it after the season was over. And we don't know
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  he may have done this anyway if they raised the trophy, you know,
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  we don't know that. But I mean, now you're hearing for I'm hearing
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  for people who are around the forty nine ers that you know there was some
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  discontent there from Kydle about Wilkes anyway, so you know who knows, But
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  it does look like a very rash, emotional decision just hours after the Super
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  Bowl lost. You want to talk about an MVP as a coordinator. The
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  fact that I think you could make a very easy case that Spagnolo is one
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  of the MVPs of Kansas City season because Kansas City's offense was not the same
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  as they were the past couple of years. They needed help and they got
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  it out of that defense. The fact that they look that offense was what
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  non existent for the first three ish quarters of that game and they were still
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  this close to taking a lead the entire time. I mean, he's worthy
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  of a whole bunch of praisees he not he is. I think that just
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  tells you though. I mean, if you're a Bronco fan. It tells
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  you they're structured pretty well as an organization because now they've they've won it sort
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  of both ways. You know, they've they've won it with Mahomes free wheeling,
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  and they've won it when they've slugged it out and put him in a
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  position to win in the game up. You know. That to me is
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  the takeaway. They are structured very well, and they and they were very
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  quick to get Spagnola an extension right away. You know that's there. They're
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  paying the guy for what he did, and they understand what he did.
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  I'll tell you the other thing. If you're hearing the local around the local
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  franchise, that is a concern. I mean, there are two numbers I
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  take away from the Super Bowl. One of Mahomes is twenty eight. You
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  know, wrap your head around that for a while. The other number,
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  which is staggering to me, and I wish the local team would take note.
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  The starting twenty two for the Chiefs and the Super Bowl. Sixteen of
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  them are draft picks of theirs, and seventeen if you count the punter who
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  was an undrafted rookie they signed, So seventeen of the top twenty four players
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  are their own homegrown players. So we can talk about Mahomes and what he
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  means, but this is an organization built around a franchise quarterback. And you
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  know, we can keep dismissing the draft all we want, but it's the
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  way you win until they accept it. At Dell Valley, we're going to
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  be doing this limbo thing for a long time. Do you make it go
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  ahead? Vic? I just think the whole draft limbo thing is amazing to
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  me because every time we get on the radio and we talked to you,
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  and we talk to anybody, we talked, well, could they move up?
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  Could they go get a quarterback? Moving up's going to require to take
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  a lot of those picks that we just speak of, and giving how many
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  picks can a franchise give up before they figure out we got nothing to work
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  with here. When does it end? Well, it better end now or
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  I mean they're already at that point, you know they Sean Payton keeps touting
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  that the Rams and the Packers dealt with big, dead money hits, but
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  he forgets the second part of that question, which is those were the two
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  youngest teams in the NFL, which Sean Payton does not possess. He possesses
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  one of the older teams in the NFL. And those teams had twelve and
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  thirteen draft picks respectively last April, and the Broncos have six, and that
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  doesn't even include a second rounder. If they do anything, they should trade
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  down this notion of going up. You're not getting any of those top three
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  teams to surrender those picks. You're not, and you're not going to do
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  it without giving them too much. And you've already done that and not stuck
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  with the decision, which is why you're in the situation you're in if you're
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  the Broncos. Something else to this, and look, this might be nothing,
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  but it was something I was just kind of talking out loud about a
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  couple of days ago. Was the idea of the timelines of the people who
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  are in the biggest positions of power within the Broncos organization right now and their
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  years aren't lining up. So like usually if you're starting over, you have
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  a GM and a head coach and a quarterback that's all basically starting in year
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  one. Well, the Broncos have a GM that's in year four, a
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  coach in year two, a quarterback who could be in year one. It's
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  isn't it kind of hard to make judgments on those positions of power within an
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  organization when they don't align. That's a great point. They also have an
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  owner that's not in you know, usually the owner is the longest timeline of
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  all. Yeah, they don't even have that. I mean they have they
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  have a guy who's obviously very immensely worldly successful in business, but he's still
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  new to the NFL in a lot of ways. So yeah, that's that
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  is a great point, and that timeline doesn't match up for what we've seen
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  a lot of the time over the years when you're when you are building something.
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  It also shows they haven't committed to very much over recent years. You
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  know, they haven't been willing to ride it out. And I think that
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  impatience is sort of catching up to him. And you know that the unwillingness
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  to risk a bad season to see if they might get a good one is
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  really catching up to this team and it's why they're at where they're at right
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  now. And that's what I was wondering, Like you like, if you
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  get to the draft, and let's say that Sean Payton, he knows he's
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  got a long lease here. He wants to take a chance at a guy
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  like JJ McCarthy at twelve or something like that. But George Payton probably doesn't
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  have the luxury of waiting for this team to be bad a couple of more
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  years. Maybe he's like, no, I think brock Bowers is the bet,
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  Like, how do you get that everybody on the same page when they
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  have different times of like how how much lease they have? Yeah, and
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  that's happened before, and it is a tough thing in the draft, in
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  the war room, is you know, is everyone's dealing with their own clock
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  as it were. You know, you're a coaching staff is always going to
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  want to lean toward now, because the coaching staff always figures their days are
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  numbered, no matter what. I mean, they're very pragmatic about the fact
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  it always ends in a firing if you're a coach, you know, no
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  matter you know, ask Bill Belichick, you know, I guess uh so
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  that there's always that battle, the battle between now and and down the line
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  in any draft conversation. But they're going to have to be disciplined because with
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  six picks, you can't reach on any and you know, that's the deal.
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  Moser's working on a refrigeration system a big h vacating in Tampa, and
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  he has a question from the closet there. I could, if I don't,
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  you know, do better. But if you need listen, if you
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  need any handiwork, Jeff, just give me a call. I noticed your
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  microwave door back there is Uh, it's a little off kilter. Just let
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  me know. I'll take care of things for you. But Jeff, what
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  do you think you're going to get a tilt or a lean into which direction
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  they're going to go? I mean, as I'm sure you guys talked about
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  Sean Payton said, you know, sooner rather than later. I'm not sure
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  exactly what that means timeline wise. But does he have the appetite to select
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  a quarterback and draft and develop him or I mean where where's where? Do
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  you think? You me? Everybody else is going to start to understand what
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  direction they're going to go, where the lean is going to be. We
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  may not see it. I mean they that's something they may not want to
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  to get. I mean, I certainly will do what I always do,
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  which is talked to as many people as possible who know. Uh, But
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  there are a lot of unknowns here. I mean, we've no one's ever
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  seen Sean Payton as a head coach with a with a rookie quarterback at the
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  forefront. We don't know how that looks. We don't know how that goes.
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  Even guys have coached with them for twenty years don't know that because they've
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  never seen it. So there's a lot we don't know. But they only
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  have six picks, and it is going to require discipline and coordination and agreement.
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  And this notion you take a quarterback no matter what, it's just a
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  recipe for you know, epic comment flameout. You know, if there's no
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  agreement on the player and no plan to develop them, you might as well
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  just cut them as soon as you draft them. To get it over with
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  Legy. Before we let you go, I have one last question for you.
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  What's the orange thing sitting on the counter behind your right shoulder. That's
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  the that's a little statue of the Sapporo TV tower my son brought back from
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  Japan. So that's oh cool. Yeah, that's that's the that's my rock
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  and TV tower. That's my little good luck charm. So it looked like
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  something from SpongeBob SquarePants from here. But I get it now, I see
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  it. I see it's come on, man, that's this is the TV
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  tower. It's the portal, very famous, very Japanese. Really. That's
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  so. My son had this fixation with Japan and he wanted to go study
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  abroad there and then COVID happened and it all got ruined. Is your son
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  studying there or is he just visiting there? He went, He went for
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  three months and he's going back. So he likes rocking it. I think
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  he'll probably live there for a while. Wow. Yeah, my son is
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  the same way. I wonder if they had the same thing in common.
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  Do they both have an affinity for anime cartoons? I think they both want
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  to be really far away from their dads. That reminds me of one of
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  my favorite Fast and Furious movies. And nobody seem to like Tokyo Drift with
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  a Little Bow. Wow. I thought that was a pretty dang good movie.
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  Man. I thought it was really cool. You got the incredible?
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  Man? Is that the deal? Hang on? Hang on, I'm gonna
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  put one hundred bucks on this, Leggy. Have you ever seen the movie
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  Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift. Oh yeah, that's uh. I've seen that.
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  Sure, I've seen everything. I like two hours a day, I've
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  seen all right, Jeff Legwell at the ESPN DI Com always appreciate the time,
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  Legg you, Thank you buddy. All right, Jeff Legwell. All
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  conversations with Leggy brought to you by bet Safe Colorado of the exclusive Cloud pro
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  passionate gamers and betters across the state. Have you seen Fast and Furious Tokyo
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  Drift? Same Fast and one. Fast and Furious one is the same plot
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  as two, three, four, five six? What's the difference? But
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  put because they're in Tokyo and they're drifting. It was really cool, you
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  know. So so dude took his dad's Mustang and competed against the guys with
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  like the you know, the Hondas and Toyotas and all that kind of stuff.
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  It was really Yeah, it was really I love that kid. You
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  know, he's on like a cop show now, the kid who played what
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  a Drift is? Yeah, let's see it. He's taking his chair and
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  moving across. You go really fast, but your car keeps going despite the
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  fact that you're breaking. You go, oh, I know what drifting is
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  when you're cycling, get behind the big pack. That's drift. Is that
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  drift, that's drafts, drafting, drafting. Damn, you're right, Get
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  my drifts and my drafts mixed, shaking bank, all right, three all
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  three five O four nine two five. So Vic you you had Carmelo commenting
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  a lot on our little back and forth yesterday on the show, on your
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  Instagram. I want to get to that next