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KATATONIA: Nightmares Worth Leaving Home For With NIKLAS SANDIN · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: The band Catatonia. So do you want to tell the
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  Speaker 1: good listeners here at Heavy a little bit about what
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  Speaker 1: you guys have got coming up and what's been happening?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what we have lined up at the moment
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  Speaker 2: is a nice tour coming to Japan, New Zealand and Australia,
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  Speaker 2: of course.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: And, yeah, it's something that we're really looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: and it's always great to be back down under.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's pretty much what's lined up. And we
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  Speaker 2: just got from playing in Dalhalla together with Opeth and
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  Speaker 2: Candlemass here in Sweden as well. Last weekend. Which is
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  Speaker 2: kind of like a milestone for us because... If anyone
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  Speaker 2: out there that knows Red Rocks in the States, it's
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  Speaker 2: a majestic amphitheater kind of venue. It's Sweden's answer to that.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a really cool place up in Dalarna in Sweden.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's impressive. Like a natural amphitheater, is it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's where they are... have been harvesting chalk,
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  Speaker 2: I think, back in the day. Oh, okay. Deep down
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  Speaker 2: in this pit. So it was a really cool experience
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  Speaker 2: this past Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's exciting. Yeah, I interviewed the guys from
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  Speaker 1: Candlemas not so long back, so I am familiar with them.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. And Opeth, did you say you got to
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  Speaker 1: play with as well? That's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Longtime friends of the band. Yeah. Yeah, Jonas
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  Speaker 2: and Michael, they go way back. Yeah, yeah. Like the
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  Speaker 2: early years and when they were kids. So, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's cool to do these collaborations.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. No, they've done quite well for themselves and
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  Speaker 1: they're getting quite to be the common name, which is
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  Speaker 1: really nice to see when heavy metal starts to sneak
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  Speaker 1: into a bit of the mainstream or you hear them
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  Speaker 1: enough that you know who they are. That's very cool.
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  Speaker 1: And so yourself, you're based in Sweden, is that right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. We're based in Stockholm. Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And what's the weather like over there at
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  Speaker 1: the moment? Is it your summertime or coming into your autumn,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's coming into the autumn. It's been, we have
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  Speaker 2: had quite a few hot days during the summer, but
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  Speaker 2: now it's cooling down and you start to see the
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  Speaker 2: colors changing in the trees. I was out walking yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and you can see it's more turning yellow and soon
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  Speaker 2: a little bit red, I think. Oh, lovely. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: very beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that the landscape changes quite dramatically in
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  Speaker 1: parts of Europe, which is we don't get that so
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  Speaker 1: much here. It's beautiful weather, mind you, but, yeah, not
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  Speaker 1: that stark change, which is always quite nice. And I
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  Speaker 1: can just imagine a massive medal fest in summertime over there.
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  Speaker 1: It would be awesome. It would be very much good
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  Speaker 1: times for the arts. For the scenery as well as
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  Speaker 1: the experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're coming out. When do you guys come out?
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  Speaker 1: In October, is that right?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So it's like in the second week of October. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: that's coming up. Excellent.
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  Speaker 1: And so where do you kick off the tour? Are
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  Speaker 1: you starting in Australia or starting in Japan?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so first we're doing Japan. We're doing Osaka and Tokyo.
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  Speaker 2: And then we're, uh, then we're going further to Auckland, uh, where,
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  Speaker 2: where we are in New Zealand, where we also have, have,
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  Speaker 2: have a day off, which I'm really looking forward to.
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  Speaker 2: We're going, I think we're going to try to go
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  Speaker 2: to some, uh, some special, special sites too.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Again, New Zealand is very pretty. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because last time we were there, it was like 2010.
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  Speaker 2: We did this snow. No Sleep Till tour together with
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  Speaker 2: War Megadeth and a few NoFX and lots of other bands.
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  Speaker 1: That would be awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I only had time to run to
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  Speaker 2: a Maccas to grab some lunch. It was horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I know, isn't it? I hate when it's the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that's available. But, you know, they say that
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  Speaker 1: Maccas is different, you know, around the globe. So our Maccas.
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  Speaker 1: probably different to yours or and i i know actually
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  Speaker 1: japan's um mcdonald's is they've got it's actually quite quite
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  Speaker 1: tasty looks way better than ours so yeah but.
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  Speaker 2: Then we're finally touching down in australia on the 7th
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  Speaker 2: of october i believe in brisbane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so he's kicking off in brisbane that's my uh
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  Speaker 1: closest um capital city is brisbane not far from there
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  Speaker 1: so yeah okay cool and so who are you um
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  Speaker 1: playing with on the lineup who are your supports what.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, we have, uh, multiple supports. I'm so bad at
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  Speaker 2: remembering names, but, uh, but I think, I think, I
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  Speaker 2: think there are, uh, I think, I think it's changing
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  Speaker 2: through like all the, all the dates. So it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, uh, I don't know if it's like local
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  Speaker 2: support per se, or if they travel in for the,
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  Speaker 2: for the shows, but, uh, a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of the promoters, um, get the local bands to do, um,
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  Speaker 1: the supports, which is really cool. And like you say,
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  Speaker 1: it changes on the tour, which is, uh, It's a
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  Speaker 1: really good platform for some of these guys to get
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  Speaker 1: known and get out there, which I really enjoy seeing those.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I mean, I think on one of
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  Speaker 2: our Australian tours, we even had Voyager as support act
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  Speaker 2: in Perth, which was really cool. That's very cool. Which
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  Speaker 2: then made it over to Europe to do the Eurovision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, nice. We are... We were very lucky to have,
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  Speaker 1: we had our NecroSonic Festival card about two weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: and Rivers of Nile came over to headline that, which
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  Speaker 1: was very cool. So I was very happy to see those.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether they did, I should know, whether
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  Speaker 1: they did other shows or it was just a once-off. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's nice when you get to meet up with
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  Speaker 1: other bands when they're doing things like that. It's good.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. And we had Rivers of Nile, we had them
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  Speaker 2: as support in the States. Ah, wow. On our, because
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  Speaker 2: we were... I think, I believe six, was it six
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  Speaker 2: or seven weeks in the States in the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: the year. First we were supporting Opeth through the first three,
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  Speaker 2: three and a half, and then we met up with
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  Speaker 2: Rivers of Neil and they supported us on three.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, aren't they amazing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're cool.
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  Speaker 1: Saxophone and heavy metal. I had a grin from ear
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  Speaker 1: to ear because I was, and I love not knowing
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  Speaker 1: sometimes what bands are like and what they are all
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  Speaker 1: about because it just I was so thoroughly, genuinely pleased
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  Speaker 1: and just gave the poor guy a big hug on
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  Speaker 1: all sides. I went, that was amazing. You made my
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  Speaker 1: whole day. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool.
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  Speaker 1: Thank Angelou's band. Yeah, and look, their music too. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, listen to some of their tracks. It's quite
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  Speaker 1: melodic as well. You know, like it's obviously heavy, but
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  Speaker 1: it's really quite nice. Good listening. Very much good listening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm an old saxophone player myself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: That's my first instrument.
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  Speaker 1: Masquerading as a bass player. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I went from saxophone and then I got into
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  Speaker 2: heavy metal. Then I wanted to be a guitar player.
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  Speaker 2: And then I noticed that I enjoy playing bass most
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  Speaker 2: because back in the day, my best friends, they were drummers.
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  Speaker 2: So it was cool to be a little bit closer
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  Speaker 2: to them and do something, hold them. For sure. Hold
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  Speaker 2: the beat down and create the foundation of the band.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I play bass myself and I always say, well,
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  Speaker 1: the reason your girlfriend dances. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And when we play bass solos, they up the sales
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  Speaker 2: in the bar. yeah they go and buy beer when
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  Speaker 2: we're so low.
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  Speaker 1: True you know the best bass riffs are simple it's
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  Speaker 1: the easiest they're three chords you know it's um there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing complicated we'll leave that to the likes of um
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  Speaker 1: les claypool and flea thanks oh i just have least
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  Speaker 1: film my brother was a drummer so that's why i'm
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  Speaker 1: the same but i was a dancer as well so
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  Speaker 1: that rhythm section is was always naturally in me i
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  Speaker 1: um taught myself how to play and didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: the hell I was doing, but I had the rhythm
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  Speaker 1: down part, so apparently that's not easy to do. So
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  Speaker 1: I just went with it.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, no, but it's funny. Like I see some
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  Speaker 1: of those, I'm like, like they hit a six-string bass.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's wild. And just the gauges are so heavy.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember my first one I had to get
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  Speaker 1: ultralight Elixir strings because my little fingers couldn't, like, push
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  Speaker 1: the strings down to get a noise.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I don't know if I'll ever make that. Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good starting point.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It was very, very much. And I giggle
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  Speaker 1: at that, but it's kind of cool to see you progression,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think I'll ever. I certainly don't have
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  Speaker 1: aim for a five or six string and heavy gauge.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy where I'm at in the middle range.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sounds good. I've been doing four string basses for
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  Speaker 2: many years. I went from five string and then I've
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  Speaker 2: been playing four strings for quite many years. But now
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  Speaker 2: I'm back at five string basses because it makes sense sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: And I play Strandbergs nowadays with the fan frets where
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  Speaker 2: they kind of look like windshield wipers.
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  Speaker 1: The, the, the, i know some of the faces are
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  Speaker 1: wild like the destroyers and the flying v's they're just
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  Speaker 1: like got angles on a little broken eye out if
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  Speaker 1: you're not careful it's crazy yeah but um yeah no sorry.
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  Speaker 2: What was that you have to be cautious.
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  Speaker 1: Yes definitely definitely I remember, like, I mean, playing in
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  Speaker 1: Drop D, like a step down, like that's always fun.
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  Speaker 1: But I was playing with some people in Drop C
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that's tasty. It was really good.
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  Speaker 1: I did enjoy that a lot.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's actually fun. Is there any plans to incorporate
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  Speaker 1: that into Takeda Toney and what music that you guys
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  Speaker 1: are doing? Or are you just going to leave that
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  Speaker 1: to the experts of the guys at Riverside?
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  Speaker 2: I think we're going to leave that to reverse voice, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done it well. It's definitely so left to feel,
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  Speaker 1: but I absolutely love that kind of stuff when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to music, especially metal. Metal is kind of the
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  Speaker 1: cool thing. You see it mixed with different genres and
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  Speaker 1: different things like that, and it just works. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why. It never fails.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would take years for me to get
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  Speaker 2: the technique up again and play well on the saxophone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite a lot, isn't it? My girlfriend plays saxophone.
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  Speaker 1: She's only small, and I'm like, there's some big lungs. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because there's quite a lot of effort, isn't it, to
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  Speaker 1: get that sustaining sound that doesn't sound like a cat's
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  Speaker 1: being murdered?
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. And I came home a few years back from
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  Speaker 2: the pub, a little bit tipsy, and I tried to
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  Speaker 2: play my saxophone here at home, and I think I
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  Speaker 2: kind of broke it while I was trying. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, you've got to be careful. The splinters in
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  Speaker 1: your tongue from the bamboo reeds, I've heard that happen before,
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  Speaker 1: which is not fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Last time I come home drunk from the pub
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  Speaker 1: to play an instrument, my mate had a double bass,
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  Speaker 1: which was very cool. And I managed to– I didn't
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  Speaker 1: exactly spin it around, but I did get a sound
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  Speaker 1: out of it. So I was impressed with that. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those things are huge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and tough to play as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're fretless. But surprisingly, it's just the same
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  Speaker 1: as playing the bass guitar, but it's just different angles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the string height is crazy as well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it is. Hey, yeah, it's so true.
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  Speaker 2: Pushing down hard. Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it makes you wonder, like, why are they not amplified?
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  Speaker 1: You know, they rarely do you see them amplified because
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  Speaker 1: I guess they're probably, the idea is to be part
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  Speaker 1: of a symphony orchestra, so they don't want to. blaring
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  Speaker 1: out the rest of the band.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys have got new music coming out with
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  Speaker 1: your tour?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're coming to, like, supporting our latest record, Nightmares
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  Speaker 2: as Extensions of the Waking State. It's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: tongue twister. It is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was released last year.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah. Yeah, so we're still, like, doing tours to
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  Speaker 2: support that one which we're really excited about yeah yeah
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  Speaker 2: that's awesome yeah and I hope people down under like
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  Speaker 2: it yeah yeah well you've got to enjoy the songs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah we've definitely got a bit of a strong
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  Speaker 1: following down here which is always good otherwise it's not
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  Speaker 1: viable to come back and do you um have you
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  Speaker 1: seen like over the time like your audience has changed
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  Speaker 1: and like younger people come through and start to enjoy
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  Speaker 1: it as well and obviously your original OG fans that you've.
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  Speaker 2: Got yeah I think Catatonia always has a mixed crowd.
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  Speaker 2: It's people ranging from the age limit for the shows
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  Speaker 2: up until like 70, 80 years old. Isn't that awesome?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a big variety and a lovely mix of people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's definitely the case. I remember going to
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  Speaker 1: review Behemoth and it was exactly that. And there was
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  Speaker 1: like this older gentleman and he was probably like in
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  Speaker 1: his 70s, 80s, and he was having the time of
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  Speaker 1: his life and the crowd was just lovely people and
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  Speaker 1: it was one of my all-time favourite gigs ever I've
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  Speaker 1: been to. So very happy to have experienced that. And, again,
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  Speaker 1: another great, amazing band. But, yeah, like you say, the
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  Speaker 1: mix of people and ages is really cool. Metal kind
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  Speaker 1: of does that. It seems to be standard across the board.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I think, like, music shows in general and
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  Speaker 2: not only metal music but, like, performances and concerts, they
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  Speaker 2: bring all ages. Like, it's like a meeting of bands.
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  Speaker 2: But both generations and cultures.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Community. Yeah, people who might not, like, be, you know,
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  Speaker 2: have the same kind of values or, like, ideals. Lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They meet and they find common ground, which I think
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  Speaker 2: is really cool.
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  Speaker 1: It is very special. Music is the connector of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of amazing and beautiful It's their universal language, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: And it just brings people together from all walks of life. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you might not necessarily, you know, meet in any other setting,
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  Speaker 1: but music, the one thing, the common ground, and it
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  Speaker 1: is a really beautiful thing to see. And it never
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  Speaker 1: fails to hit the soft spots with me. I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I sometimes think that sports do the– direct
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  Speaker 2: opposite people who are friends outside the arena they become
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  Speaker 2: enemies and they get it at each other's neck because
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  Speaker 2: it's not it's not the right yeah it's not the
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  Speaker 2: right color of the shirt you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah but you're not going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah but music it can be the other way
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  Speaker 2: around like outside the arena they might be you know
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  Speaker 2: not not the best best of mates but like inside
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  Speaker 2: if they have a beer and they listen to the
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  Speaker 2: music together it might.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you know Great friendships formed over a common, you know,
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  Speaker 1: interest in the same music or band, which is always
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  Speaker 1: really cool. But it's crazy to think like sporting, like
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  Speaker 1: it's a really, that's a great analogy. You know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: look at the extremes of that where you've got countries,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like that are fanatical about like soccer, particularly
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  Speaker 1: in Europe. You know, they unalive one another because they
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  Speaker 1: just follow a different, their opposing team, which is just insane.
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  Speaker 1: And when music, it's like, even if you play different
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  Speaker 1: types of music, the fact that you can, the willingness
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  Speaker 1: to come together and make something even better and different is, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it speaks for itself, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I've heard so many times like people saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that bloke or that girl is such a sweet person,
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  Speaker 2: but they root for this team. So I can't get
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  Speaker 2: past that.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I enjoyed playing sports when I was younger
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot, but I just don't, give me a bar
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  Speaker 1: any day with the live band. I don't watch them
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  Speaker 1: or spectate anymore, but I definitely enjoyed playing them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when I was younger, I get too injured these days
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  Speaker 1: to do anything like that. But yeah, I just, even
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  Speaker 1: having that competitive nature, it's still all about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that community and like-minded people. But some people would really do,
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  Speaker 1: don't they? They just, they take it.
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  Speaker 2: So far and, I remember this thing, it was in
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  Speaker 2: one of the biggest magazines here, like news magazines in Sweden,
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  Speaker 2: and they do five quick questions to people out and about,
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  Speaker 2: and they asked a bunch of people, including this, I
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: think he was 15 years old or something, like a guy,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: and they're like, are you going to follow the World
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Cup this summer? And he said, no, I listen to
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Heather Meadow.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: What a great answer. His parents raised him well, that's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yes, yes.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So I've tried to do the same with my girls.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I've got two girls who are millennials now, as I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: call them, and, you know, mini metal heads, maybe not
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: so much, but they love their country music. And I'm like,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it's making a comeback apparently. So they're having fun and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: they're enjoying it. But they were ballerinas when they were young, so.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I think that kind of gives you, yeah, it gives you, well,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: for me as well, that, you know, it exposes you
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to classical kind of music that never would have, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: known or been a part of or be able to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: connect with otherwise. So, yeah, the best musicians take this inspiration,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you know, from all types of music, which is great,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and I really enjoy that too. So, yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy to have a hoedown at a country muster.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I reckon it would be. a few beers later and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: it's all fun and games.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I listen to all kind of music.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Everything from country music to pop music.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a good song is a good song. That's what
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I always say. It makes you feel good and if
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it's timeless as well, which there's a lot of, you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: they call them one hit wonders, but they're still good songs.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: You can't deny that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny, I always say too, like the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: There's music that I might enjoy listening to is completely
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: different to the stuff that I enjoy playing on my bass.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: So that's always, that's one thing that I've come to discover,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: which is kind of cool too. So it just keeps it,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: keeps it fresh. That's for sure.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That's true um and inspired as well yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah definitely and it's funny like I um some
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of my favorite stuff to listen to playing on the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: bass it just there was just and not that there's
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: nothing there but it just yeah it didn't hit the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: same way as other songs that you know I um
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: enjoy listening to but to play as well was like
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: like i've never owned a chili peppers album in my
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: life but i can slap that thing to most of
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: them not to the same extent that i can but
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you know and i find it quite enjoyable so and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: at the doors you know is another one which kind
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of interest um took me by surprise so yeah it's
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: just um it's all it's all about what makes the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: noise and the good people happy so yeah i'm very
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: much looking forward to having you guys come out in
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: gosh it October is like, it's not even, it's less
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: than a month away now, isn't it? Because we're now
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in September. The year's just gone. It's crazy.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Time flies.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: It does. And when you're busy, and we've been so busy,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: which is a good thing because when we're busy, live
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: music is definitely thriving. So newish kind of music and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a tour to happen as well. We very much look
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: forward to catching you guys when you get down here.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And thank you so much for coming and having a
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: chat with us today at Heavy Mag.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, safe travels. Yeah, safe travels on your flight over
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and hope Japan goes well. And you kick it off
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: from Brisneyland, as we call it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brisneyland.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Brisneyland, yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Brisneyland, okay.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Cool. That's new for me.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: There you go. It's good. People always call it Bris-Vegas,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, Brisneyland.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Bris-Vegas. Yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I love Brisbane. It's a good city. It's where it's, yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Good people, good music, and it's good community, good culture. So, yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: good place to start. What's the venue that you're playing at, Brisbane?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Do you know off the top of your head? Is
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it the Tivoli or?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Good question, good question. I'm going to leave that as
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: a surprise for myself.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I'll have to look at my email when I get
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: off the call. No, that's fine. Thank you so much. And, yeah,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: we look forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward. Yeah, likewise. Enjoy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Bye-bye.