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Hour 2: Johnny Carson's life! · The Mark Simone Show

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to the Mark Simone Show.
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Speaker 2: Im w R.
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Speaker 3: Hello, We'll get to Johnny Carson a little later this hour,
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Speaker 3: we'll get to Bill Ackman. Mom, Donnie, Well, he spoke
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Speaker 3: with Jessica Tish again over the weekend. I guess that's
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Speaker 3: a good sign that they're talking. Hopefully she stays right now.
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Speaker 3: Eric Adams is away, he's been in Israel. He had
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Speaker 3: this terrible shooting, a police officer shot in Brooklyn. Little
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Speaker 3: crisis occurring. And the good news is you got Randy
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Speaker 3: Mastro as the first deputy mayor. He was Rudy Giuliani's
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Speaker 3: first deputy mayor. If you like the way that Giuliani
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Speaker 3: administration ran, then you like Randy Mastro. And about a
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Speaker 3: year ago, Eric Adams put him in charge of city Hall.
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Speaker 3: He's the first deputy mayor. So even with Adams away,
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Speaker 3: Randy Mastro ran to the hospital to be with the
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Speaker 3: officer and handle the situation. Police COMMISSIONERCA. Tish is there.
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Speaker 3: But when you got Mastro, things are under control. That's
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Speaker 3: why things have been so good for the past year. Now,
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Speaker 3: what happens when Mom Donnie comes in, Well, that first
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Speaker 3: deputy mayor will be Dean Fulahan, who comes from the
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Speaker 3: Deblasio administration. He was Deblasio's chief of staff, first deputy mayor,
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Speaker 3: in other words, first deputy mayor. So it's going to
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Speaker 3: look a lot like the Deblasio administration, which was bad,
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Speaker 3: but we got through it. We got through it. We
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Speaker 3: got through eight years of Deblasio. We probably won't have
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Speaker 3: to get through that much of Mom Donnie. It probably is.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's four years, but it might. It could
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Speaker 3: just be one year. You might get a governor next
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Speaker 3: year who removes him if things aren't going well. Now,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump said he'll meet with Mom. Donnie said, New
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Speaker 3: York is important. He'll meet with him, He'll talk to him.
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Speaker 4: Mom.
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Speaker 3: Donnie was asked about meeting with Trump.
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Speaker 5: I look forward to having a conversation with President Trump
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Speaker 5: because it's one where I'll make clear if he wants
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Speaker 5: to work together to deliver on his campaign promises of
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Speaker 5: cheaper groceries or a lower cost of living, I am
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Speaker 5: there and I am ready to go. But if he
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Speaker 5: wants to talk about pursuing a campaign agenda that comes
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Speaker 5: to the expense of New Yorkers, that is something that
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Speaker 5: I will fight.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, so what will Trump do when he meets
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Speaker 3: with him, Well, maybe he'll get through to him on
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Speaker 3: a couple of things. First, the most important thing is crime.
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Speaker 3: If you convince him, he's got to get a real
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Speaker 3: police commissioner and he's got to really take care of crime.
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Speaker 3: Mom Donnie said, he doesn't want to hire five thousand
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Speaker 3: more cops. And the problem is will he with you know,
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Speaker 3: withdraw cops from a lot of situations not enforce certain things.
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Speaker 3: Then that's what to Blasio, basically did things start to
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Speaker 3: get out of control? So that's a problem. But hopefully
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Speaker 3: Trump gets through to him on that kind of stuff. Now, personally, well,
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Speaker 3: they got some things in common. Mom, Donnie was a
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Speaker 3: little trump like in his campaign and that he was
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Speaker 3: the total outsider up against these big political machines. And
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Speaker 3: Trump's case, he was up against the Clinton machine. Mom
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Speaker 3: Donnie was up against the Cuomo machine and he defeated him.
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Speaker 3: So they got that, and they've got something in common. Now.
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Speaker 3: Trump is good at winning people over in private. People
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Speaker 3: are always surprised in private what a nice man he is. Well,
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Speaker 3: how he relates to people. He's an incredibly good listener.
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Speaker 3: It's beyond listening. He looks at you like with radar
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Speaker 3: and sonar and knows exactly what you're saying. And he's
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Speaker 3: really good at handling people. But generally the people he
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Speaker 3: handles are like him. They're big, successful business people. They're
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Speaker 3: CEOs or bank presidents, or they're substantial people. That's where
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Speaker 3: he does best. But he's also been good with the weirdo,
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Speaker 3: odd ball kookie types, you know, Kim Jong un and others.
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Speaker 3: He was able to win him over and calm him down.
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Speaker 3: Zelenski got off to a bad start but eventually developed
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Speaker 3: a good relationship. So we'll see what he can do
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Speaker 3: with Mom Donnie if he can get through to him.
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Speaker 3: Mom Donnie is talking to Tish. He did a Sunday
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Speaker 3: show where he was asked about keeping her.
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Speaker 4: Will she stay in that office?
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Speaker 5: I continue to be confident in my decision, but as
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Speaker 5: soon as there's a public announcement to be made, we'll
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Speaker 5: be sort of show.
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Speaker 4: Does she say? I got to think about this.
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Speaker 5: More of the conversation, frankly, had to do with what
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Speaker 5: it looks like to deliver that public.
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Speaker 1: Safety right now.
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Speaker 3: He is a genius at double talk. You know, Kamala
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Speaker 3: would do this word salad and was pretty obvious. You
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Speaker 3: know what the ell she was talking about, just like
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Speaker 3: a babbling yo yo. But mom, Donnie, the double talk
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Speaker 3: is very good. Now what did he just say? It
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Speaker 3: was asked her, are you going to keep her? Did
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Speaker 3: he give a yes or no?
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Speaker 4: Will she stay in that office?
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Speaker 6: I continue to be confident in my decision.
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Speaker 3: But okay, think of it. I continue to be confident
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Speaker 3: in my decision. What does that mean? I continue? You
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Speaker 3: could just say, well, my decision is to keep her.
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Speaker 4: But he says.
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Speaker 3: I'm confident in my decision. That adds an element to it.
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Speaker 3: Then he adds a third layer. I continue to be
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Speaker 3: confident in my decision. Now he just said three things
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Speaker 3: without saying anything.
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Speaker 4: Will she stay in that office?
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Speaker 6: I continue to be confident in my decision.
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Speaker 5: But as soon as there's a public announcement to be made,
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Speaker 5: we'll be sure to show.
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Speaker 3: Does she say, as soon as there's a public announcement
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Speaker 3: to be made, we'll be sure to share it. Well, obviously,
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Speaker 3: if it's a public announcement, you'll share it.
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Speaker 7: Uh.
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Speaker 3: He was asked about Putin. I don't know what Putin
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Speaker 3: has to do anything.
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Speaker 5: I believe this is a city of international law, and
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Speaker 5: being a city of international law means looking to uphold
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Speaker 5: international law, and that means upholding the warrants from the
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Speaker 5: International Criminal Court, whether they're for Benjamin Ninia or Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 5: I think that that's critically important to showcase our values.
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Speaker 5: And unlike Donald Trump, I'm someone who looks to exist
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Speaker 5: within the confines of the laws that we have, So
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Speaker 5: I will look to exhaust every legal possibility, not to
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Speaker 5: create my own laws.
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Speaker 3: Now, I guess they're talking about arresting Putin if he
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Speaker 3: comes to town, or arresting that yah who No, he
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Speaker 3: said again, this is all bubble talk.
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Speaker 6: I believe this is a city of international law.
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Speaker 3: First, so it's not. It's not a city of international law.
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Speaker 3: We don't use international law here. We don't even recognize
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Speaker 3: it here in New York City. And if he ever
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Speaker 3: tries us, he'll be taken to court and lose immediately.
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Speaker 3: It's a city of city, state and US law. We
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Speaker 3: don't acknowledge international law. And by the way, that court
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Speaker 3: that put out the indictment against Natanya is not recognized
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Speaker 3: as any sort of a legitimate court. It's the World
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Speaker 3: Court of whatever, but we don't even recognize it. So
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Speaker 3: he's absolutely wrong. He's threatened Nettya, who's supposed to come
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Speaker 3: here next year for that annual UN summit. He'll speak
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Speaker 3: at that as he always does. Will Mamdani a tempt
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Speaker 3: to arrest him.
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Speaker 5: We are a global city, But I also think what
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Speaker 5: New Yorkers are looking for is consistency in the way
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Speaker 5: in which we talk about our values and follow through
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Speaker 5: on them. And that's why I think these warrants from
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Speaker 5: the International Criminal Court, they are worth fully exploring every
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Speaker 5: legal possibility to actually follow through on.
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Speaker 3: Again, the World Criminal Court not recognized by anybody, it's
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Speaker 3: just a joke. If he does come to New York,
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Speaker 3: President Trump has said he will have him escorted by
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Speaker 3: milli terry federal troops FBI. He will protect him from
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Speaker 3: being arrested. Alan Dershwitz said he will stand by his
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Speaker 3: side the entire visit to New York and be his lawyer.
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Speaker 3: What about Trump sending in the National Guard, and.
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Speaker 5: So we will have a unified front myself the Governor
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Speaker 5: of the Attorney General in showcasing that any attempts to
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Speaker 5: deploy the National Guard here in New York City, it's
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Speaker 5: not an attack on an individual politician like myself.
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Speaker 6: It's an attack on the city.
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Speaker 3: Now a unified front.
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Speaker 6: Think of this army, so we will have a unified front. Myself,
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Speaker 6: the governor of the Attorney General.
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Speaker 3: All right, now, myself, he's like a dumb kid, a
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Speaker 3: thirty four year old kid. The governor is a total
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Speaker 3: coward who runs and hides it the sign of any trouble.
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Speaker 3: The Attorney General is a sleeve ball who's under indictment,
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Speaker 3: who may be in jail by the time this even
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Speaker 3: comes up. Let me see about arrest.
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Speaker 6: I've said time and again this is a city of.
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Speaker 1: International same thing.
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Speaker 3: Well here he's on k hulk.
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Speaker 5: I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
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Speaker 5: revenue sources that would pay for the same things he wants.
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Speaker 3: To do, these free buses. He has no power to
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Speaker 3: make the buses free. The Mayor of New York has
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Speaker 3: no control over the buses. It's all state. It's the
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Speaker 3: MTA that runs them. And Hochel has said, you can't
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Speaker 3: make the buses free. Can't take be a massive loss
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Speaker 3: of revenue, so you'd have to come up with some
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Speaker 3: other revenue.
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Speaker 5: I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
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Speaker 5: revenue sources that would pay for the same things, we
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Speaker 5: would embrace them by all means, because the most important
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Speaker 5: thing is funding these things. And I think with the
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Speaker 5: governor there's a clear alignment of the importance of delivering
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Speaker 5: on universal childcare and on affordability agenda. And now the
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Speaker 5: work begins even before we've been sworn in on lining
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Speaker 5: out when, how, But we always know it's for who,
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Speaker 5: which is New Yorkers.
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Speaker 3: See, if you're not saying anything, if you're not going
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Speaker 3: to answer, if you're going to double talk, the secret
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Speaker 3: is to do it fast. If you said, well, I
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Speaker 3: I know it sounds like you're not answering. But if
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Speaker 3: you talk very quickly and you're not really answering, and
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Speaker 3: you said, well, it's a matter of how, when and how,
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Speaker 3: and if you took it a mile a minute your salad,
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Speaker 3: you know what you're talking about, even if you don't.
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Speaker 3: But we'll see. This is not gonna be easy getting
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Speaker 3: through Mom Donnie. But but we got through Deblasio. It
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Speaker 3: was pretty much the same thing. Deblasio thought socialism was
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Speaker 3: better Deblasio same thing with the affordability. But remember Deblasio's
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Speaker 3: whole campaign was about two New York's. There's two New
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Speaker 3: York's one for the rich, one for so.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: The only difference is de Plasio didn't really hate all
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Speaker 3: those rich people. In fact, he did them favor after
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Speaker 3: whatever they needed, he did it for him. So I
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Speaker 3: don't know about Mom Donnie. I don't know if he's
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Speaker 3: that bribeable or that persuadable. But we'll see. He's got
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Speaker 3: a team in place. He's got a bunch of people
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Speaker 3: that are on the transition team. He has one guy
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Speaker 3: on the transition team just got caught with the most
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Speaker 3: horrible antisemitic remarks. But listen, that's no shock. This is
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Speaker 3: what you expect from these Mom Donnie people. You got
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Speaker 3: a little of that from the Deblasio team as well. Now,
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Speaker 3: another thing is this transition team of Mom Donnie's has
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Speaker 3: been raising money and apparently they're up to about a
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Speaker 3: million dollars already. They've raised about one million dollars. Now.
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Speaker 3: They say it's a smaller donations. Average donation is seventy
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Speaker 3: five dollars, but that's a lot of money. What do
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Speaker 3: they do with the transition money? Who knows they pay
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Speaker 3: for themselves. They just spend it on themselves. It's kind
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Speaker 3: of ridiculous, but good for Mom Donnie. Yeah, the donation came.
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Speaker 3: The money came from seven thousand donors, averaging seventy three
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Speaker 3: dollars per donor. So the other people only got Elena Leopold.
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Speaker 3: She's the director. The whole transition team is female. I
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Speaker 3: don't know what that means, but she's she's pretty bad.
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Speaker 3: They got Lena Kahan, who's co chair of the transition team.
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Speaker 3: She was a longtime Obama Biden person owned for her
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Speaker 3: tough anti trust stance, in other words, harassing businesses. She
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Speaker 3: has a history of going after major companies and trying
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Speaker 3: to bust them up, anti trust. So that's not good.
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Speaker 3: The transition team says more than fifty thousand people five
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Speaker 3: zero fifty thousand candidates have applied to work for his administration.
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Speaker 3: They have one of those resume portals. They've gotten fifty
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Speaker 3: thousand applications. They'll be going through fifty thousand. Well, it's
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Speaker 3: say they got like six weeks to get through this,
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Speaker 3: and we'll see Bill Maher on Friday night begging, begging
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Speaker 3: Democrats to get away from this socialism, this nonsense. Mars said,
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Speaker 3: did you watch his victory speech? Well, if you didn't
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Speaker 3: see it, he said don't worry. You're going to see
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Speaker 3: it in every attack ad for the next two years.
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Speaker 3: Republicans will be using that Mamdani speech in every campaign
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Speaker 3: ad against the Democrats. He said, democratic socialism is like
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Speaker 3: a dating profile. Looks great until you actually meet up
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Speaker 3: in the real world. You know, Bernie Sanders, his single
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Speaker 3: pair healthcare sounded great, but it totally collapsed when you
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Speaker 3: try it. He did it in Vermont. It totally collapsed. Bernie.
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Speaker 3: AOC Momdonnie, they're not Democrats. They'll be the first to
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Speaker 3: tell you. They're democratic socialists. It's a different thing, and
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Speaker 3: Democrats should stay the hell away from it. Hunter Biden
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Speaker 3: goes nuts on this podcast, ranting and raving and yelling
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Speaker 3: and screaming. It's really met. You know, Miranda Devine wrote
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Speaker 3: the definitive book about the laptop and about the Big
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Speaker 3: Guy and the Biden corruptions. He really went after her.
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Speaker 3: He called her ugly, hideous, looking, a whore. This is
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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden's worse Obviously, she's a very fine person then
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Speaker 3: very attractive. You know, you can call people ugly, but
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Speaker 3: when they're making a living on television, people looking at
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Speaker 3: close ups of their face, I don't think they nobody's going.
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Speaker 4: To buy that.
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Speaker 3: They're so ugly. But it's a good it's a compliment
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Speaker 3: to Miranda that he couldn't find anything wrong in the
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Speaker 3: book to point out, he couldn't be specific about anything
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Speaker 3: she got wrong, and he couldn't find any legitimate attack
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Speaker 3: on her, so he had to just go nuts. He
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Speaker 3: also said Democrats need to turn the temperature up. Turn
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Speaker 3: the temperature up. How could they get any angrier than
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Speaker 3: they already are? How could they get any matter? How
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Speaker 3: could they yell and scream about Trump anymore? How could
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Speaker 3: they have more Trump arrangement syndrome than they have now?
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Speaker 3: So yeah, socialism, listen, it's failed everywhere. Trying socialism is
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Speaker 3: to be like betting on the New York Jets to win.
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Speaker 3: It's not a good idea. It's never going to happen. Hey,
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Speaker 3: Bill Ackman, the hedge fund Billionaire's a nice guy, Bill Ackman.
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Speaker 3: So he posted something. He's a little too busy on
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Speaker 3: Twitter and all that stuff, But he said, I hear
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Speaker 3: from many young men they find it difficult to meet
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Speaker 3: young women in a public setting. You know, younger younger
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Speaker 3: people are so busy on online meeting. You know, the
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Speaker 3: go to online dating apps, and that's how they meet that.
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Speaker 3: They have no idea how you could meet somebody in person,
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Speaker 3: So he said, young men are always asking me. They
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Speaker 3: have so much trouble meeting in person. I thought I
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Speaker 3: would share a few words that I used in my
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Speaker 3: youth to meet someone that I found compelling. So Ackman
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Speaker 3: goes on to say if he wanted to meet somebody,
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Speaker 3: he would walk up to her and say may I
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Speaker 3: meet you before engaging further in conversation. He says, I
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Speaker 3: almost never gotten no. It inevitably worked, he said, I
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Speaker 3: think the combination of proper grammar and politeness was the
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Speaker 3: key to its effectiveness. Give it a try. May I
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Speaker 3: meet you? Well, the way this turned out, Ackman has
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Speaker 3: been ridiculed all weekend online. He's getting just tarred and
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Speaker 3: feathered online. In fact, all you see are may I
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Speaker 3: meet you memes, just ridiculing poor Bill Ackman. It's actually
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Speaker 3: he's got a good point there, may I meet you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I kind of get it. I mean he's got a
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Speaker 3: point there. But politeness, most guys aren't very polite or gentlemanly,
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Speaker 3: just be very polite. Proper grammar that can be very
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Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd go and would you say
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Speaker 3: that to somebody? He says, it's not just dating. He
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Speaker 3: uses it in business situations.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Let me go out in the hall and try this
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Speaker 3: with somebody. May I meet you?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It sounds pretty lame to me. It sounds very lame.
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Speaker 3: But Ackman getting trashed all over the place for it. Hey,
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Speaker 3: we'll take some calls in a minute. We'll get to
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Speaker 3: Johnny Carson coming up, but we'll get to the phones next.
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Speaker 3: Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten is
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Speaker 3: the number. Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten, mister.
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Speaker 7: New York, he's on the case the Mark Simone Show
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Speaker 7: on seven tenor.
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Speaker 3: Hey, we'll pick some calls. Eight hundred three to two
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Speaker 3: one zero seven ten is the number the Bill Ackman
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Speaker 3: pickup line, May I meet you? Well? Jacqueline carl just
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Speaker 3: said if a guy walked up to her and said that,
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Speaker 3: she'd think there was something wrong with him and would run.
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Speaker 3: So he's onto something with the politeness and the good grammar,
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Speaker 3: So maybe come up with a variation of it. Excuse me,
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt. May I just say hello? Still
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Speaker 3: sounds lame? I don't try something like that. Let's go
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Speaker 3: to Paul in beth Page. Paul, how you doing.
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Speaker 8: I'm doing great, Mark, good morning. I wanted to ask
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Speaker 8: you about Mondani with this free transit with the buses
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Speaker 8: and stuff. Let's just say hypothetically, he tells Tish that
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Speaker 8: don't enforce it, like you enforced spitting in the subway.
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Speaker 8: Then he's getting his wish, isn't he.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could do that right now. Half the people
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Speaker 3: don't pay the subway or the buses. Half the people
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Speaker 3: jump the turnstile or just get out and don't pay.
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Speaker 3: In drivers, they don't enforce that now. So the people
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Speaker 3: that want to ride for free or riding for free
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Speaker 3: free busses, it's just a gimmick. If you had a
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Speaker 3: major massive affordability crisis the bus prices, that's that's not
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Speaker 3: going to solve it, obviously. It's just a little gimmicky thing.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to Cheryl in Monmouth County. Cheryl, how you doing?
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Speaker 7: Good boy?
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Speaker 2: How are you? I listened to you all the time.
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Speaker 2: I love you on couslo and everything.
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Speaker 3: I'm calling Now, let me ask you a personal question.
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Speaker 3: If you lived in Connecticut, you'd say I'm from this town.
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Speaker 3: I'm from Westport, I'm from.
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Speaker 1: Oh Okay, Danby.
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Speaker 3: But New Jersey people they identify themselves by the county.
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Speaker 3: Why is that? I don't know, I'm from Bergen County.
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Speaker 3: Why don't they just say what town they're in?
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Speaker 2: You know, I did it because I didn't want too
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Speaker 2: much information out.
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Speaker 3: We think we're following.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, whatever, it's not it's not important anyway.
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Speaker 2: This is what is important, and I feel passionate about it.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead. And I thought, gee, maybe I'm sitting in
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Speaker 2: my car and I'm listening to you and I'm saying,
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Speaker 2: let me do it. Okay, go ahead this Mahamdami. We're
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Speaker 2: going to talk about all the things that he's saying
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Speaker 2: that are silly, anti American. And the thing is, I
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Speaker 2: did a research and from my education, I remember a lot,
18:18
Speaker 2: and I attempted to notify a last Stephonic and President Trump.
18:25
Speaker 2: Now I'm calling you, and I know you're connected. I
18:28
Speaker 2: know what's the point And okay, nineteen n we don't
18:32
Speaker 2: have time. Nineteen forty, Emma Goldman.
18:37
Speaker 3: We got to tell me the point. Tell me the point.
18:38
Speaker 3: What's the point.
18:39
Speaker 2: The point is there's president for deporting him.
18:42
Speaker 3: Well, there is a committee working on that. They're going
18:45
Speaker 3: over his application more.
18:48
Speaker 2: Listen Eisenhower nineteen.
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Speaker 3: We understand all this. You can you can deport all
18:53
Speaker 3: the people you want. Yeah, Eisenhower ran Operation Wetback. They
18:57
Speaker 3: used buses, planes, trains. They deported about a million peace
19:00
Speaker 3: people in a year. But they are looking at mom, Donnie,
19:02
Speaker 3: if you lied in any way on his citizenship application,
19:06
Speaker 3: his visa, anything, and there's a couple of people looking
19:09
Speaker 3: at that looking to get him revoke his citizenship. That's possible.
19:13
Speaker 3: They're also looking at foreign campaign donations. They keep saying
19:17
Speaker 3: they're looking. So far they've come up with nothing, and
19:19
Speaker 3: it's getting a little late. But they're looking at that.
19:21
Speaker 3: If they can find he accepted foreign money knowingly, they
19:25
Speaker 3: can still remove him, believe it or not. Let's go
19:28
Speaker 3: to Chipper and Stony Point. Chipper, how you doing, Hi, Mark,
19:33
Speaker 3: How are you good?
19:35
Speaker 1: Okay?
19:36
Speaker 2: I just got I just like to know for your three.
19:42
Speaker 3: Oh you can't pick three favorite it's impossibly recorded. No,
19:47
Speaker 3: you can't think he couldn't do it. You know, when
19:50
Speaker 3: I used to do the Sinatra Show, every great singer
19:52
Speaker 3: in the world was a guest and I asked everyone
19:55
Speaker 3: to pick their favorite Sinatra song. They never got the
19:57
Speaker 3: same answer twice. There's a million, it's too bad albums.
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Speaker 3: We Small Hours of the Morning. I don't have favorites,
20:03
Speaker 3: but his two best albums we Small Hours of the
20:06
Speaker 3: Morning and Only the Lonely, Those are the two. If
20:09
Speaker 3: you got to start somewhere, start with those two albums.
20:13
Speaker 3: And obviously, I mean it's incredible body of work. One
20:17
Speaker 3: hundred albums recorded, fourteen hundred songs. That's not the most albums,
20:23
Speaker 3: by the way. The most Elefantcherald one hundred and sixty
20:26
Speaker 3: six albums, but the all time record was Bing Crosby
20:30
Speaker 3: two hundred albums over his career. Let's go to Richard
20:34
Speaker 3: and Bay Shore. Richard. How you doing.
20:37
Speaker 9: I'm doing well, Mark. You know, Kansas City had free buses,
20:40
Speaker 9: but now they've gone back to charging fares, and the
20:44
Speaker 9: bus drivers were all for it. Because last you're like
20:47
Speaker 9: thirty some other of them were assaulted when they had
20:50
Speaker 9: a fair. It almost never happened. They had to hire
20:53
Speaker 9: guards in Kansas City, and then they had to hire
20:55
Speaker 9: armed guards, which court them millions of dollars. There's the
21:00
Speaker 9: whole thing, you know, And I obviously, Yes, the homeless, the drunks,
21:04
Speaker 9: the druggies, they use the bus as as their hangout.
21:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know it doesn't work. It never works. It's
21:10
Speaker 3: never worked anywhere. It's free stuff and affordability crisis. There
21:15
Speaker 3: is one. It seems to only be in the Blue
21:17
Speaker 3: cities where they have this affordability crisis. But one of
21:21
Speaker 3: the reasons it's so expensive to live in New York.
21:23
Speaker 3: It's like the greatest city in the world. It's really expensive.
21:27
Speaker 3: You know, if you go to a west Chester you know, Scarsdale. Oh,
21:31
Speaker 3: it's really expensive to live there. But you ever see
21:33
Speaker 3: what it looks like. It's beautiful Mount Vernon not so expensive,
21:37
Speaker 3: but you see what it looks like. It doesn't look
21:39
Speaker 3: like Scarsdale. You have that everywhere. Go to that coffee
21:45
Speaker 3: shop on the corner, not that expensive, but they walk
21:48
Speaker 3: a block away and go into Tiffany's. Wooh, there's an
21:51
Speaker 3: affordability crisis in there. But that's because it's good stuff. Hey,
21:55
Speaker 3: when we come back, we'll get to Johnny Carson. The
21:57
Speaker 3: Ultimate Definitive Book on Johnny Carson is out. We'll talk
22:01
Speaker 3: to the author next on seven to ten. Wor get
22:05
Speaker 3: Mark on demand by setting a preset for his podcast
22:09
Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio app.
22:11
Speaker 7: Now back to Mark Simone.
22:12
Speaker 6: On wor Well.
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Speaker 3: We love Johnny Carson, the greatest talk show host ever.
22:19
Speaker 3: And there's a book out, a brand new book, the
22:21
Speaker 3: Definitive Book on Johnny Carson, the Ultimate Book. There's been
22:25
Speaker 3: some bad books, and this is the book on Johnny Carson.
22:28
Speaker 3: It's out, it's already a bestseller. I urge you to
22:31
Speaker 3: get the book. Hey, by the way, be a great
22:33
Speaker 3: Christmas present for somebody. The book's called Love Johnny Carson.
22:38
Speaker 3: You can get it on Amazon. It's a great book,
22:40
Speaker 3: Love Johnny Carson. It's the real story, the whole story.
22:44
Speaker 3: And it's by Mark Malkoff, who does the Carson podcast,
22:48
Speaker 3: which has been on for Years's got a lot of
22:51
Speaker 3: big devoted listeners. You should listen to that, to the
22:53
Speaker 3: Carson Podcast. But the author of the new book, Love
22:56
Speaker 3: Johnny Carson, Mark Malcoff.
22:58
Speaker 1: How you doing, Ark, I'm doing great. Nice to talk
23:01
Speaker 1: to you, sir.
23:02
Speaker 3: Hey. It's a You've been on a book tour all
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Speaker 3: over the place promoting it. But you just went to
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Speaker 3: Johnny Carson's hometown, right, tell us about that.
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Speaker 7: I was in Norfolk Nebraska. They flew me out there.
23:16
Speaker 7: I thought it was called Norfolk. They say Norfolk, but
23:19
Speaker 7: I was in Johnny Carson's boyhood home. The owner invited
23:23
Speaker 7: me over there and just to be in that space
23:25
Speaker 7: and see where Johnny slept with his brother Dick, and
23:28
Speaker 7: it was unbelievable. They had me sign autographed the living
23:32
Speaker 7: room wall with other visitors. The Smothers brothers have been there,
23:35
Speaker 7: Paul Riser, and they have a local museum, the Elkhorn
23:39
Speaker 7: Valley Museum, with Johnny's awards as Emmy's costumes like art
23:43
Speaker 7: Fernon Blabby And it was unbelievable just to be at
23:47
Speaker 7: this place that made and shape Johnny Carson.
23:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you stand there in the middle of Nebraska,
23:52
Speaker 3: the Great Midwest, you realize how far this guy came
23:56
Speaker 3: and what a journey he took.
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Speaker 7: He did, I mean when he was seventeen, when he
24:00
Speaker 7: graduated high school at seventeen, the first thing he did
24:03
Speaker 7: was hitchhike to Los Angeles and he bought a star
24:07
Speaker 7: map to the and went to Jack Benny's home and
24:10
Speaker 7: waved it outside to see if Ben would come out,
24:12
Speaker 7: which he didn't. But yeah, Johnny always had these ambitions
24:15
Speaker 7: but Nebraska definitely shaped him, and just to be back
24:19
Speaker 7: there and to talk to people that had Johnny's teacher,
24:22
Speaker 7: Fay Gordon, who turned when she turned one hundred years old.
24:25
Speaker 7: And then I think early the mid nineties, Johnny returned
24:28
Speaker 7: back to Nebraska for her one hundred birthday. But I
24:31
Speaker 7: talked to people that were older that had Johnny's teacher,
24:34
Speaker 7: and Johnny, of course over there is like, I mean,
24:36
Speaker 7: he's an icon to us, but back there, I mean
24:39
Speaker 7: he's royalty and rightfully so. I mean he's donated so
24:42
Speaker 7: much money and helped out with so many good causes.
24:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
24:46
Speaker 3: Now, there was a guy that gave his first big
24:47
Speaker 3: radio job in Nebraska, and as you point out, he
24:52
Speaker 3: was so nice that guy. For the rest of his life.
24:54
Speaker 3: He always helped the guy and met with him, right.
24:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, Meryl Wurkhoven was his name, and he was in
24:59
Speaker 7: Omaha and he got johnny Is really big first job
25:02
Speaker 7: in radio and Omaha and Johnny kept in touch with
25:07
Speaker 7: him for decades, would invite him to the Tonight show.
25:09
Speaker 7: They'd go out to dinner at Johnny's one of Johnny's favorite,
25:12
Speaker 7: the Palm in La And then when this gentleman Merrill,
25:16
Speaker 7: who worked in radio.
25:17
Speaker 1: For something like thirty years in Nebraska.
25:19
Speaker 7: When his car broke down driving out to La Johnny
25:22
Speaker 7: surprised him with a new car, a new Buick. And
25:25
Speaker 7: when Johnny presented this to Merril Workoven, they both started crying.
25:31
Speaker 7: I mean their daughter, his daughter, Melanie Workoven, was telling
25:35
Speaker 7: me the story about being there. And yeah, Johnny had
25:37
Speaker 7: very close friends, which I talked about in the book,
25:40
Speaker 7: which to the media, you know, they said he was
25:43
Speaker 7: cold and aloof But the people I talked to, the
25:45
Speaker 7: four hundred people, I mean, you knew Johnny Carson, you
25:48
Speaker 7: met him, they told me that he was not like that.
25:51
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, he said, when you go to work, it's
25:54
Speaker 3: called work. It's not fun. You got to be very
25:56
Speaker 3: business like and you got to be a little cold
25:58
Speaker 3: when you go to work. You're not there to have fun.
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Speaker 7: And he would, Yeah, he would protect his energy too,
26:02
Speaker 7: because he was He would only get there a couple
26:04
Speaker 7: hours before the show because he didn't want to waste
26:06
Speaker 7: his energy on a show day.
26:08
Speaker 1: No lunches with people. I mean, for.
26:10
Speaker 7: Most of his career he was doing at least ninety minutes,
26:13
Speaker 7: if not an hour and forty five. And he was
26:16
Speaker 7: just always exhausted, so he had to protect his energy,
26:20
Speaker 7: which to hear the stories was just it's been unbelievable.
26:23
Speaker 7: I mean, Bob Yucker was somebody that I talked to
26:25
Speaker 7: on the Carson podcast for an hour. He was telling
26:28
Speaker 7: me that the first time he went on the show
26:29
Speaker 7: in like nineteen sixty nine, Johnny did not believe afterwards
26:33
Speaker 7: that he was a real major league baseball player. He
26:35
Speaker 7: thought he was so funny that he had to be
26:37
Speaker 7: a comedian that was lying about being a major league
26:41
Speaker 7: baseball player. And Johnny's staff had to show him articles
26:44
Speaker 7: and just to hear those stories. I mean, Uker told
26:47
Speaker 7: me they never used the pre interview. Uker, Buddy Hackett,
26:50
Speaker 7: Don Rickles no pre interviews. I mean, he was effortless.
26:53
Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, now everybody should get this book. You're gonna
26:56
Speaker 3: love this book. It's just one fascinating chapter and story
26:58
Speaker 3: after another. It's called Love Johnny Carson. Brand new book
27:03
Speaker 3: by Mark Malkoff called Love Johnny Carson. Go order it now.
27:07
Speaker 3: They taped the show every night, but in thirty years
27:09
Speaker 3: did they ever stop a tape. They just never stopped
27:12
Speaker 3: for any reason. Did they Very few times?
27:15
Speaker 7: The one time I remember is Dela Reese had a
27:17
Speaker 7: stroke at an ant brain aneurysm. They stopped that almost never.
27:23
Speaker 7: I think it was I think John Davidson kicked a
27:27
Speaker 7: speaker and the something happened and they had to cancel
27:30
Speaker 7: a taping. But Johnny liked to keep in the mistakes.
27:33
Speaker 7: The mistakes were all part of the show. Like well,
27:35
Speaker 7: for example, when Robert Guler John Davidson forgot the words
27:38
Speaker 7: to a song, Johnny wouldn't let them stop tape. He said, no,
27:41
Speaker 7: you're gonna get it, You're gonna figure it out. And
27:43
Speaker 7: the audience loved it. And you know, it just made
27:46
Speaker 7: these famous celebrities more endearing to the audience. But I
27:50
Speaker 7: have to say, I want to tell people in the
27:51
Speaker 7: New York City area one thing I do want to mention,
27:54
Speaker 7: and you were just there, and I was there just
27:56
Speaker 7: a day ago, is the Paley Center at fifty second
27:59
Speaker 7: Street in New York's has Johnny Carson's actual desk chair.
28:04
Speaker 1: The couch.
28:06
Speaker 7: It's unbelievable to sit there, and you can actually sit
28:09
Speaker 7: in Johnny's chair from the set. But I know you
28:11
Speaker 7: were there. I saw the photo, which is tremendous. But
28:14
Speaker 7: every opportunity when I'm in Midtown. I try to stop
28:16
Speaker 7: by the Paley Center.
28:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a wonderful place. If you check my Instagram,
28:19
Speaker 3: you see a picture of me sitting in the Carson desk.
28:21
Speaker 3: But it's over there at the Paley Center, which is
28:23
Speaker 3: a wonderful museum on fifty second Street. Hey, there's things
28:28
Speaker 3: that Johnny Carson did with traditions on the Tonight Show.
28:30
Speaker 3: They're all gone now. They don't do them anymore, Like
28:33
Speaker 3: having a guest host or a sidekick sitting next to you,
28:36
Speaker 3: or a new comedian stand up comedian. How come that
28:39
Speaker 3: all went away? They don't do that anymore.
28:41
Speaker 1: I don't know.
28:42
Speaker 7: I feel like the panel was the best part when
28:44
Speaker 7: you would have these people like I don't know, Don
28:47
Speaker 7: Rickles or Glenn Campbell and they start getting at it,
28:50
Speaker 7: and there was just so much fun with those traditions.
28:54
Speaker 7: I don't know why the shows have just deviated so
28:58
Speaker 7: much from what worked. It doesn't make any sense to
29:01
Speaker 7: me about that tradition. Yeah, it's just it's different. I mean,
29:06
Speaker 7: I do like the fact that all the late night
29:08
Speaker 7: hosts still talk about Johnny Carson with reverence, yet it's
29:11
Speaker 7: not the same. I mean, I love and I hear
29:13
Speaker 7: from people all across America that miss Johnny that go
29:16
Speaker 7: to the official Johnny YouTube channel, and there's over a
29:19
Speaker 7: million subs people that have subscribed to this YouTube channel,
29:22
Speaker 7: and it's just amazing just to look at that body
29:25
Speaker 7: of work.
29:26
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really do wish they would have kept
29:28
Speaker 1: some of those traditions.
29:29
Speaker 3: Well, you should also start listening to the Carson podcast.
29:32
Speaker 3: Mark Malcoff did with like six hundred episodes of it
29:36
Speaker 3: with every.
29:36
Speaker 7: We did a lot, and we have new episodes coming up.
29:40
Speaker 7: Ed Shaughnessy, who's the drummer. We have his son I
29:43
Speaker 7: talked to. I talked to a bunch of other people
29:45
Speaker 7: that I wasn't able to get on the podcast. So
29:47
Speaker 7: we're doing new episodes and we're gonna be doing some
29:49
Speaker 7: events around the country. I was just in Chicago at
29:52
Speaker 7: their Museum of Broadcasts and Communications. They have a late
29:54
Speaker 7: night exhibit some Carson and Letterman items. So yeah, it's
29:58
Speaker 7: been just incredible people miss Johnny. I thought Mark, I
30:02
Speaker 7: really thought, like when talking to you, when we first
30:04
Speaker 7: started talking and stuff, he didn't realize how many people
30:07
Speaker 7: that around the country just missed Johnny as much as us.
30:10
Speaker 1: But they are all over the place.
30:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I should get the book Love Johnny Carson,
30:15
Speaker 3: big new, wonderful book about Johnny Carson, the real story,
30:19
Speaker 3: and it'd be a great Christmas present. It's called Love
30:21
Speaker 3: Johnny Carson. Now, I always preferred the New York Tonight
30:24
Speaker 3: Show years. There was something better about it. But Carson
30:27
Speaker 3: had a lot of trouble in New York, right, women drinking,
30:29
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
30:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, he would talk about on The Tonight Show with
30:32
Speaker 7: his struggle with alcohol. That was always a thing he
30:35
Speaker 7: talked about. He would say he would have one more
30:37
Speaker 7: drink than he should and he would turn into Attila
30:39
Speaker 7: the Hunt. So he definitely had some tough times. Jillie's
30:43
Speaker 7: and Ed McMahon would babysit him and make sure he
30:46
Speaker 7: would get home. And he got in some trouble and
30:48
Speaker 7: Frank Sinatra one time had to save his life.
30:52
Speaker 1: I talk about that in the book. But I agree.
30:54
Speaker 7: I think the New York years with you know, Jimmy
30:56
Speaker 7: Breslin and just I think that it was just such
30:59
Speaker 7: a more en comt classy show, sophisticated show. I did
31:04
Speaker 7: like when they during those first ten years when they
31:06
Speaker 7: go out to Hollywood, because it would go off the
31:07
Speaker 7: rails with you know, people like George Goebel and Dean Martin.
31:10
Speaker 7: But I definitely think those first ten years from the
31:13
Speaker 7: clips that I've seen, I think that those are stellar,
31:16
Speaker 7: and those really hold up the footage that does exist.
31:20
Speaker 7: Not a lot of it does, but when I've seen it.
31:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's a wonderful book. I'm telling you get
31:25
Speaker 3: the book. You'll really love it. It's everything you ever
31:27
Speaker 3: want to know about I knew everything there was to
31:29
Speaker 3: know about Johnny Carson, but I could read this book
31:31
Speaker 3: and find out fifty thousand things I didn't know. It's
31:33
Speaker 3: got everything about Johnny Carson.
31:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Ed Eames.
31:37
Speaker 7: I mean I'm in but for at Beverly Hill is
31:39
Speaker 7: sitting down with Ed Eames. He's in his nineties telling
31:42
Speaker 7: me about he didn't know how to throw a tomahawk.
31:44
Speaker 7: And I'm getting the actual story from the man himself,
31:47
Speaker 7: the most famous Carson clip of all times. So we
31:50
Speaker 7: put all the stories in. Talk to everyone that went
31:52
Speaker 7: on the show, Johnny's staff, and I have to say,
31:55
Speaker 7: I've heard from a lot of people that knew Johnny
31:57
Speaker 7: and people at the Tonight show, and they open so
32:00
Speaker 7: complimentary about me getting the story right, which I'm grateful
32:03
Speaker 7: to hear. And you know, I've been, you know, working
32:06
Speaker 7: on this for years and you've been such a great
32:08
Speaker 7: support in helping me with the books.
32:09
Speaker 1: I mean, you know so much about Late Night and Carson.
32:11
Speaker 1: I didn't know. So I'm grateful to you.
32:14
Speaker 3: Well, everybody, get the book. Order it today. Order it now.
32:16
Speaker 3: It's called Love Johnny Carson. It's on Amazon. It'd be
32:19
Speaker 3: a good Christmas present too. Love Johnny Carson is the book.
32:23
Speaker 3: Go order it and listen to the Carson Podcast. Start listening.
32:26
Speaker 3: Mark Malkoff, thanks for being with us. We'll talk again soon.
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Speaker 7: Talk so thank you so much. Marca's the pleasure, take care,
32:33
Speaker 7: Thank you, sure, thanks.
32:34
Speaker 3: Hey, don't forget Buck and Clay coming up at noon
32:36
Speaker 3: today right here on seven ten wor Mark.
32:40
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32:49
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