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Trump's Mentor Was a 1980s TV Maniac | Morton Downey Jr. · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: Show Evokateour the Martin Fuck Evocateur. The Morton Downey Junior Movie.
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  Speaker 1: This came out in twenty twelve, directed by Seth Kramer,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Miller, Jeremy Newberger and written by Daniel Miller. It's
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  Speaker 1: about a guy named Morton Downey Junior, who essentially is
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  Speaker 1: the prototypical Bill O'Reilly shock jock TV radio announcer hybrid.
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  Speaker 6: I'd even say as far as Alex Jones like this.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Springer meets CNN sort of personality, And before seeing
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  Speaker 1: this documentary for the first time, I wasn't really familiar
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  Speaker 1: with him. I might have seen a clip at some
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  Speaker 1: point and had no idea who it was, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize how much this one person that I'd never
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  Speaker 1: really heard of has influenced how all news media.
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  Speaker 6: Essentially works today.
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  Speaker 1: All of the different shock jock everything that you see
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  Speaker 1: on video, it ultimately seems like it came from this
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  Speaker 1: one guy.
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  Speaker 6: So have you ever heard of Morton Downey Junior before?
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  Speaker 2: This is the first ever.
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  Speaker 5: Now I saw his face and it just seemed like
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  Speaker 5: I've seen it before, Like I didn't know if he
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  Speaker 5: was in a movie. Maybe I think he did play
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  Speaker 5: in a couple like little little roles in movies. But
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  Speaker 5: I had no idea who. I did not know one
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  Speaker 5: bit of what I was getting into.
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  Speaker 1: And that makes sense because the show lasted for I
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  Speaker 1: think under two years.
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  Speaker 6: This guy went from no one.
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  Speaker 1: Really hearing who he was to being the most talked
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  Speaker 1: about news show anywhere on TV to then knowing knowing
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  Speaker 1: who he was again, all within less than two years.
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  Speaker 6: So it's kind of a wild ride.
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  Speaker 1: And this documentary I think does a great job of
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  Speaker 1: spelling it all out.
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  Speaker 6: To plot the chorus.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the reason why it's Morton Downey Junior is
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  Speaker 1: there was a Moltin Downy Senior and the Mortin Downey Senior.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you're not familiar with his name, I'm positive
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  Speaker 1: that you've seen a movie or TV show or a
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  Speaker 1: cartoon where someone makes fun of singing, oh Danny Boy,
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  Speaker 1: and people start crying like, oh Danny boy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it turns like it's this way to take like a
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  Speaker 1: hardened gangster, Irish mobster criminal and make him cry at
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  Speaker 1: the funeroval of like one of his fallen compatriots, right
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  Speaker 1: like they bring out the old Danny Boy. Well, that song,
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  Speaker 1: Old Danny Boy, was sung by Martin Downey Senior. He
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  Speaker 1: also did Jericho about the walls falling down, and like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like these old timey recordings. He was
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  Speaker 1: also on Time magazine. He was considered the first audio
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  Speaker 1: recording star of America, like the first pop star essentially,
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  Speaker 1: So even if you don't know who his what his
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  Speaker 1: name is, you've definitely heard I heard a reference to
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  Speaker 1: him somewhere, like he was big time og Hollywood.
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  Speaker 5: Big time old school and then that's such a famous line.
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  Speaker 5: Then like, oh, Donie boy, Like I was not expecting
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  Speaker 5: that angle at all. I'm like, okay, I am in
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  Speaker 5: for I strapped up at that point because I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: this is gonna be all over the place.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then his mom Mortin Downey Junior, So his dad
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  Speaker 1: is this famous singer, first rock star, recording artist of America.
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  Speaker 1: His mom was a famous actress slash dancer. So like
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  Speaker 1: they're in Hollywood, and I guess he's got some daddy
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  Speaker 1: issues and family problems.
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  Speaker 6: You get.
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  Speaker 1: The long story short of it is that dad is
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  Speaker 1: overbearing personality like life of the party, but also maybe
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  Speaker 1: drinks a little bit too much. I mean he gets
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  Speaker 1: a little bit rough and abusive with the mom and
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the family. And Mortin Downey Junior for
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  Speaker 1: the early part of his life, for the first couple decades,
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  Speaker 1: kind of hates his dad. Thinks his dad drove his
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  Speaker 1: mom to alcoholism, which alto she succumbs to. So hates
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  Speaker 1: his dad to the point where he doesn't even call
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  Speaker 1: himself his own name. He starts going by Sean instead
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  Speaker 1: of going by Morton Downey Junior because he wants nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with his dad, and this becomes like this
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  Speaker 1: driving force in him which you see like backtracks on
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later, which which adds like so much
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  Speaker 1: complex like depth to this thing. Then after you get
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  Speaker 1: the quick little rundown of here's his dad, here's his mom,
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  Speaker 1: here's how he grew up, they immediately start talking about
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  Speaker 1: Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when I'm watching this for the first time, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: putting two and two together, Like, Okay, we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: Danny Boy, We're talking about this guy's mom. Why the
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  Speaker 1: hell are we talking about Glen Beck. Again, I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard of Morton Downey Junior, So what do all these
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  Speaker 1: famous people have to do with this? And then they
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  Speaker 1: start saying, well, Morton Downey Junior was like the og
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  Speaker 1: version of Glenn Beck. He was the og Bill O'Reilly,
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  Speaker 1: but less polite. So now I'm like a less polite
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  Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly, the guy that got sued and kick off
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  Speaker 1: the air for like assault, like sexually assaulting people that
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  Speaker 1: work for the dressing people down, calling people out, yelling
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  Speaker 1: at them, shouting them to get off the stage, spitting
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  Speaker 1: in their face. And it turns out, Yeah, Bro, that
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  Speaker 1: was a vanilla mild version of what Martin Downey Junior
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  Speaker 1: was doing.
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  Speaker 2: And you didn't even think that to be possible.
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  Speaker 5: Like, when I'm hearing this, I'm like, okay, Bro, like
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  Speaker 5: you over the top, there's no way.
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  Speaker 2: We saw all the.
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  Speaker 5: Videos of O'Reilly and how he acted and his pompousness
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  Speaker 5: and and how he would yell at people in the
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  Speaker 5: Great People, I'm like, there's no way, and I spoiler
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  Speaker 5: film delivers.
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  Speaker 6: So the other ones too.
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  Speaker 1: They they do some name dropping of people that are
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  Speaker 1: like in the sphere, and it's Herman Kane uh. And
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  Speaker 1: then it's Curtis Silwa a Sliwa, the guy that runs
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  Speaker 1: the Guardians of New York and like Michelle Bachman. So
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  Speaker 1: they're they're basically like all of the crazy right wing
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  Speaker 1: extremist conspiracy loonies put in the same corner as Martin
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  Speaker 1: Downey Jr. But again it's a little bit more complex
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  Speaker 1: than this. So the other person that they end up
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  Speaker 1: talking to the most throughout this documentary for the interviews
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  Speaker 1: is this guy called Bob Pittman who is the creator
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  Speaker 1: of MTV. He's made all sorts of channels and TV
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  Speaker 1: shows and movies and everything, and he's at MTV and
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  Speaker 1: he's thinking, like, we need to expand, we need to
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  Speaker 1: get into something new. And apparently there was this older
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  Speaker 1: talk show that I had never heard before. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's called the Bob Pine Show. And the Bob Pine
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  Speaker 1: Show they had this guy that would just like yell
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  Speaker 1: at his guests. I guess the general concept of a
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  Speaker 1: late night TV show or a news program is you
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  Speaker 1: invite a guest on and even if you disagree, you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of polite with them, and you're plight with the audience.
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  Speaker 1: And they show the host on these talk shows running
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  Speaker 1: up and down the aisles like you, sir, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think, and like trying to be nice and incorporate everyone.
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  Speaker 1: And here's this Bob Heinden guy who doesn't do any
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  Speaker 1: of that. He'll just like yell at you and kick
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  Speaker 1: you off the show. If you're like, well, if you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk to me like that, then I'm gonna leave.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, good, get the hell out of here, and
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  Speaker 1: then gets the audience like get him out, get him out,
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  Speaker 1: so like totally flips it on his head.
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  Speaker 6: The creator of MTV is thinking, we need a.
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  Speaker 1: New version of that for the younger audience, and Martin
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  Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior just ends up being like this perfect guy.
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  Speaker 6: He's already on talk radio.
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  Speaker 1: He understands performance art because he was raised in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: And they show the very first clip where they're showing
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  Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior. It's him getting like tackled by cops
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  Speaker 1: on his show and he's ranting about like these liberal Democrats,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're all they're all evil, and it's like, man, like,
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  Speaker 1: did I just turn on Fox News? No, this is
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  Speaker 1: from like the nineteen eighties, before Fox News even existed,
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  Speaker 1: and he's saying the exact same talking points that you
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  Speaker 1: would hear right now in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 5: And it's kind of like a mix of, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: not just the O'Reilly's and like the Jerry Springers, but
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  Speaker 5: it gives me a little bit of element of the
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  Speaker 5: Howard Searn stuff, right like except on TV. Like he's
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  Speaker 5: pushing the boundaries of like what can I say? What
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  Speaker 5: can I do? And as they start unfolding on this,
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  Speaker 5: they start showing like how we progress into this, Like
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  Speaker 5: you alluded to that he was a shock jock right
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  Speaker 5: on a radio station and that he started getting a
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  Speaker 5: rise out of people, and he's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, this stick works.
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  Speaker 5: And this is what is like so great about films
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  Speaker 5: like this is because you can see that they're developing.
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  Speaker 5: Like a lot of people look at Bill O'Reilly as
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  Speaker 5: we talked in other episodes, and they're like, oh man,
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  Speaker 5: the guy's like this or he's a good guy or
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  Speaker 5: he's a bad dude, and you're like, he's a caricature,
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  Speaker 5: the way we talk about Alex Jones the same way,
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  Speaker 5: and that's what Morton Downey Jr.
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  Speaker 2: Is just the same.
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  Speaker 5: And it's almost like he birthed this whole wave of
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  Speaker 5: caricatures that we still have to this day.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more that Morton Downey Junior showed how
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  Speaker 1: high you can crank that dial up, not like hey
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  Speaker 1: here you can be rude to your guests. It's like
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  Speaker 1: you can assault your gut, you can punch your guests,
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  Speaker 1: you can spit in their face, you can you can
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  Speaker 1: tell a female guest like look at the audience and
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  Speaker 1: be like anyone want to see me beat up abroad
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  Speaker 1: and like.
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  Speaker 6: Watch them cheer you on.
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  Speaker 1: Like that was his version of this where he just
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  Speaker 1: dialed it all the way up and then So, man,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many parts in this documentary that were.
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  Speaker 6: Blowing my mind. One of them is it was.
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  Speaker 1: Nearly impossible to really tie down like he's not just
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  Speaker 1: a right wing extremist, racist Bill O'Reilly kind of character.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's you know, he's gonna be outraged about something.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna be for the little man, and
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  Speaker 1: like pro America and stuff, like all of those things
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  Speaker 1: make sense. But then for example, he's yelling down at
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  Speaker 1: like KKK members. Maybe that was more acceptable obviously, but
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  Speaker 1: like he's angry at the racist, and he's angry at
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  Speaker 1: people that are being mean to like black you know,
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  Speaker 1: black people that are on his show. If he says
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  Speaker 1: something disparaging to them, he's like, good, hold out here,
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  Speaker 1: we don't need that in this country. So like he's
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  Speaker 1: got these like progressive Donald Trumpian sort of vibes to him.
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  Speaker 1: But then for example, they have Ron Paul on and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, hell yeah, Ron, Ron Paul, staunch libertarian,
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  Speaker 1: let's see where this goes, And within like thirty seconds,
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  Speaker 1: he's in Ron Paul's face calling him slime, calling him like, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: if we had slime like you in the White House,
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  Speaker 1: I'd puke all over you and he's like getting smit
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  Speaker 1: in his face, and Ron Paul like, I mean my
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  Speaker 1: version Round Paul was knowing him about like the nineties
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  Speaker 1: and two thousands, like the old guy of Collogist, dude
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't hurt a fly, right, but here is like
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  Speaker 1: slightly younger and you've seen him getting frazzled.
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  Speaker 5: Bro.
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  Speaker 1: Ron Paul's like at one point he turns to the
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  Speaker 1: audience like the audience is gonna help him, and he's
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  Speaker 1: like this isn't fair, like kind of like making this
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  Speaker 1: motion and it's just like sharks smelling blood in the water.
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  Speaker 6: Bro.
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  Speaker 1: Like Ron Paul gets assaulted Lyndon LaRouche, who's also was
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  Speaker 1: originally like a communist but then he turned hard. Right
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  Speaker 1: when he's getting yelled at, Lloyd Kaufman, the director of
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  Speaker 1: Toxic Avenger, says that he got assault like he actually
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  Speaker 1: got hurt and like battered by him live on air
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  Speaker 1: while people are chanting and stuff. But then also he
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  Speaker 1: introduces Al Sharpton, like there would be no Al Sharpton
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  Speaker 1: without Morton Downey Junior. There wouldn't be a Gloria Alred,
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  Speaker 1: there wouldn't be like all of these other people that
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  Speaker 1: he kind of birthed onto the scene and they kept
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  Speaker 1: running with the shtick, but he didn't like he kind
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  Speaker 1: of like stayed but well, he eventually dies a lung
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  Speaker 1: cancer spoil alert. But you still don't know Morton Downey
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  Speaker 1: Junior's name. You definitely know Al Sharpton, but you might
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  Speaker 1: not realize that you wouldn't have Al Sharpton without Morton
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  Speaker 1: Downey Junior.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the crazy part about it. And when you're
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  Speaker 5: bringing up the Ron Paul thing, because the same thing,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you see a younger and not only was
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  Speaker 5: he getting in his face, then the crowd's turning on
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  Speaker 5: Ron Paul and Ron Paul's trying to argue about like
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  Speaker 5: decriminalizing drugs because I'm against drugs, so I think that's
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  Speaker 5: the American way, and they're yelling at him and this
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  Speaker 5: and that, and then he's even calling him a pansy.
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  Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, you hear out with Oh he's just
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  Speaker 5: getting a little higher now, Like he just played it perfectly,
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  Speaker 5: Like the way he went out there, he was a character,
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  Speaker 5: Like he's like this is who I am, and I
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  Speaker 5: turned it on because they even have like showing him
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  Speaker 5: walking out like right before the show and he's like
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  Speaker 5: high fiving his producers and he's getting pumped up. Then
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  Speaker 5: he walks out there and just finds some broad in
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  Speaker 5: the crowd and just gives her a kiss, like he's
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  Speaker 5: just full of this energy.
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  Speaker 2: And it's interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Because you think, like, you know, when they talk about
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  Speaker 5: O'Reilly and Glen beck and all these conservative type of
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  Speaker 5: leaning people, when you think of Republicans and you think
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  Speaker 5: of this like, well, I'm a conservative, like you know,
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  Speaker 5: we're not gonna talk about drinking or we're not gonna
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  Speaker 5: have half naked chicks.
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  Speaker 2: But then you have that too, you have like half.
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  Speaker 5: Naked chicks and smoking a cigarette yelling in people's faces.
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  Speaker 5: Like it was this weird angle, and like, as you said,
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  Speaker 5: not only did like it kind of like crank up
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  Speaker 5: the knob on like oh, Glen begs and o'riley's and
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  Speaker 5: Jerry Springer's in birth and give you all of these aspects,
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  Speaker 5: but I also saw the blueprint for a lot of
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  Speaker 5: this fringe stuff in the conspiratorial world like of the
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  Speaker 5: Q and on crowds of someone like uh, you could
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  Speaker 5: see that this breaking off and shifting into the all
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  Speaker 5: these forms, and you brought up Donald Trump, and then
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  Speaker 5: it's just interesting enough. In the documentary they're just showing
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  Speaker 5: him with famous people, and lo and behold, one of.
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  Speaker 2: The famous people he's with is Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was friends with Donald Trump. He lived in
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  Speaker 1: Trump Tower after he made a bunch of his money,
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  Speaker 1: and later on when he was like getting into some
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  Speaker 1: social problems, Donald Trump is sort of a mentor to him.
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  Speaker 1: So Donald Trump was a like a mentor to Morton
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  Speaker 1: Downey Junior. And it makes so much sense because he
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  Speaker 1: feels the closest version like if if Morton Downing Junior
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  Speaker 1: was to run for president, that's kind of what you
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  Speaker 1: get in a Donald Trump and the best analogy to
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  Speaker 1: it's like a two pronged one. So on on the surface,
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  Speaker 1: the Morton Downey Junior that gets ratings and becomes popular
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  Speaker 1: and gets a documentary made about him, it's basically if
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  Speaker 1: you put Bill O'Reilly and swapped him out with Jerry Springer,
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  Speaker 1: like the Jerry Springer Show hosted by Bill O'Reilly and
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  Speaker 1: he's mad at you and he's mad at the audience.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of what you get out of what his
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  Speaker 1: show was like. But behind the scenes you see that
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  Speaker 1: he's not that person, Like, that's not actually who like
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  Speaker 1: what he thought. Those weren't his thoughts, those weren't his politics.
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  Speaker 1: His own daughter is one of the other people they
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  Speaker 1: interview the most throughout this documentary, and she's like, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't watch the show because the dad that raised me
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  Speaker 1: and that I grew up with and that came home
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day was not the same
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  Speaker 1: person that was on this TV. And then they go
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  Speaker 1: back and talk to his childhood friends and like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: like he this is not a blue collar guy that's
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  Speaker 1: angry at the system and hates liberal Democrats. He grew
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  Speaker 1: up next to the Kennedys and the Kennedy mansion, Like
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  Speaker 1: his mansion was the mansion right across from theirs, and
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  Speaker 1: here's all this footage of him growing up with the
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy kids, and so like. Over time, though, he's trying
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  Speaker 1: to break into the entertainment industry. First, he wants to
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  Speaker 1: be a singer like his dad, but he hates his dad,
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  Speaker 1: so he's trying to like outdo his dad.
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  Speaker 6: Then he tries to get into Hollywood and be an.
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  Speaker 1: Actor and get some small roles here and there, but
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  Speaker 1: nothing's really hitting and He's in his mid fifties at
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  Speaker 1: this point, and I'm sure there's an aspect that's like, hey, kid,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's probably fun living off your dad's legacy
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  Speaker 1: and all, but you're not going to compete with your dad.
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  Speaker 1: Your dad was an American icon, so this is like
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  Speaker 1: fueling him and that there's almost like a switch, And
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: there's a specific moment where they're talking about them watching
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: that Ron Pine episode where Bob Pine, where Bob Pine,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: he's like, sorry, it's Joe Pine. Joe Pine is the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: name of this old talk show where he intentionally is
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: being a jerk. And as Morton Downing Junior is watching
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: this like with his buddy is like a nineteen seven
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: and he's saying, like, man, he's such a jerk, but
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: like he's so successful at it. So they immediately cut
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: to showing Morton Downey Junior at some like anti abortion
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: rally right and he's like out there getting loud, he's
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: holding the sign and this is something uncharacteristic, like this
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: is not his politics, this isn't necessarily saying he believes
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: in but he realizes, hey, like if I'm controversial and
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I scream and I get myself on camera, and it worked,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and he starts getting calls, and then he starts doing
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: it more and he realizes that the more he leans
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: into what the audience wants, the better reaction, the more
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: exposure he's getting, the more places he's getting invited to.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: It's opening doors for him.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: So they say it in the documentary in a craft
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a way without explicitly stating it, but he realized, Hey,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: if I just compromise on what I actually think and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I just play this character like, that's my ticket to
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: getting into this industry.
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: And he just like leans all the way into it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: And it's a view of politics as well into what
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: we all say.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Right, they're like, oh, it's just wrestling.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: It's just pro wrestling, and you see this aspect of it,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: even when you get into like the the Reverend now
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Sharpton stuff. Right, He's like they're getting into it. They
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: might be yelling and then they're like, great show, Bud,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: great show, come with that heat next, you know what
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: I mean. They're like feeding off each other. And it
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: was just so crazy because to know that this guy
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: influenced so many people and change the minds and change
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: media forever rights to probably we wouldn't expect this rage baiting.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: Like it's not just in political world, it's everything, man,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: It's where it's like getting your faith.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Oh you don't like that. I mean you get this
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: element in TV now.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: From this guy that I've never heard of that it's
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: like that famous basketball player that like comes up with
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: a play, or a famous football player that comes up
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: with something but nobody knows their name, or the scientist
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: that's like, well, I created this part, but then the
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: other person like goes, oh, I made it so globally wide,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: and this guy invented this on accident.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: But it would have reminded me of more. Is when
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: you brought up like.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: The Donald Trump stuff, that connected with me because it
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: resonated in to a point where I'm like, oh, it's
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: kind of the same bro. Like he's friends with Bill
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Clinton's he's with all the Democrats, and this guy's all
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: friends with the Democrats, and he's like, but people like
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: me as this red team, I'm all Red team.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's probably the best analogy of
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: like the Donald Trump and the Morton Downey Junior, where
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: they're the Kenney bunkpork Clintonian Democrats at heart, but they
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: realize Hey, if I put on this mask, then this
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: whole other audience likes me. And speaking of the audience,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: this is like a whole I like how they frame
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: they treat the audience of the Morton Downey Junior Show
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: as its own character, like it's its own person in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: this documentary, and it even develops names, like people start
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: referring to this crowd that he riles up as the beast.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: They liken it to a lynch mob. They liken it
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to the type of crowd that would gather around a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: public hanging. That it was considered His Morton Downy Junior
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: show was called the Talk Show with the Hockey Audience,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: which made a lot of sense. It was the first
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: talk show audience that had to be put through a
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: metal detector because they were getting found bringing in knives
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and brass knuckles and all sorts of weapons. Because again,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: like it's a lynch mob that just happens to be
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: going into like a live studio audience, but at their heart, they're.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: A lynch mob.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And then the documentary, I think it's like they're being
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: funny with this, but also they're like and they all
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: act like they're from Jersey, and it was all like
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch of Jersey people, and it's like there's a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: certain element to the Jersey lifestyle where you just think
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that you're the smartest person in the room and you're
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: angry all the time. So I thought it was funny
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: how they like it's it's a Lynch mob in Jersey.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: Enough said, yeah, that was a perfect explanation.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And then and then from the Jersey they up at
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: two where they start showing tea party and they're like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and the modern day tea party when this was made
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, they're like, that's basically the Morton Downey
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Junior audience. Like if Morton Downey Junior still had a show,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the Tea Party would be tuning into him every night,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: but since they didn't have him, they'd have to fall
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: back to Glenn Back or any of these other like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: vanilla conservative versions. And at the very end of the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: movie they also make a really good analogy and they
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: say that Morton Downey Junior was the first rock star
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: outside of music, and I felt like seeing his energy
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in the way that he could like hype up a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: crowd and everything, like truly he was he was kind
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of like an emce of like the true like master
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of Ceremonies MC, of this Jerry Springer political crowd, and like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen anyone command an
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: audience of Jersey QAnon people the same way that he
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: kind of did.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: Right, They do a.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Quick little backstory of like here's how he went from
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: this progressive rich kid growing up next to the entities
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to this extremist right winger and it was that in
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties RFK died. And I think this is
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: actually a really clever way that the documentary grounded itself
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: is there's a book that he wrote after RFK was assassinated,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and it was a book of poetry called Quiet Thoughts
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Make the Loudest Noise.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: And they're like some really good poems. Man like mart
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: Rowney Jr.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: He actually had some creative intelligence to him, and he's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: writing out like very deep, introspective thoughts that are the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: exact opposite of like get off of my stage, you
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, it's the.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Exact opposite of that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: So every time they show him acting like this crazy ignorant,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you know, New Jersey devil, then they're like reading this
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: deep poetry that he had written you know, two or
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: three decades prior, and it's like, Okay, now this this
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: guy knows what he's doing. He knows it's all an act,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and he like eventually evolves into this. One of the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: biggest plot points here, which is related to the al
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: sharp An angle, is that there was this hoax story.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: It was what the hell was was her name to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Tajana Brawley hoax? And this was apparently really big in
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: like the eighties and nineties, and it was a black
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: girl that claimed that she had been kidnapped and assaulted
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and raped by a whole bunch of racists and they
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: after they were done raping her, they put feces all
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: over her body and draw swastikas, and they wrote the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: N word and like in feces on her and put
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: her in a bag and they threw out like she
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: was a bag of trash.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: And that's apparently how she was found. And Morton Downey.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Junior, it almost feels like he didn't know or care
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: about any of the facts of the case necessarily. It
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was just here's a controversial thing that happened. So he
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: comes out in his show and he basically is like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: this doesn't sound right. This sounds like a hoax, and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he turns it into this narrative and any they mentioned
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that anytime in the writer's room that they ran into
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a creative block and they're like, I don't know what
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do on the show, you know next week.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior is like, I got a new angle
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: on that, on that twant On Browley case. So it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: was like the thing that he kept going back to,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and maybe by dumb luck, I don't really know exactly
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: how this plays out, but it turns out that it
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: really was a hoax, and unbeknownst to him or Al
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Sharpton throughout the early stages of this that no one
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: knew that that was going to come out that it
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: was actually a hoax. So he just kind of like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: got it right. And then Al Sharpton becomes the public
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: defender of of Tawanta Holly, like at least like in
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: in social pr campaign way. So he's like showing up
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: on the Morton Downey Junior show being like, no, this
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is wrong. You know, she was assaulted and it's and
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it's crazy that you're calling it a hoax. And he's like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you know what you bring Brawley here and I'll bring
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the the person that she's accusing of doing the raping,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and we'll have him talk about it on the show.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And Al Sharpton's like, I'll make it happen. So it
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: turns into this huge, like public thing and the next
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: day neither of them show up. You know, none, none
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of that actually happens. But Al Sharpton even taught they
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: were saying he talks to Morton Downy Junior and he's like, look, man,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it's good for you, it's good for me, it's good
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: for ratings, Like who cares if she didn't show up.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: We don't have to solve this, like like we're making
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: money here, let's not ruin that. And it showed you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that not only was Morton Dowdy Junior like on the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: level of Al Sharpton, but it was all a big upgrade.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And then when it turns out that it was actually
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: a hoax, now Morton Downy Junior becomes like some kind
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of a folk hero for being ahead of the curve
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: And then they go throughout the film and they like
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: even like show how popular he's become. And now this
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: is he's becoming this character, right like he's womanizing and
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: seeing all kinds of different girls and just partying and
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: living it up.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: Rock star.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a rock star.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: And they even have like a little scene where he's like, yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: he goes up to which it'sha was kind of weird
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: a little bit, but they're like, goes to a Catholic
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: school and then like all these Catholic school girls are
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: just running all over and they made like the limo
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: into a dick, and like I was like, I'm not
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: sure what's going on here, but I think they were
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: just trying to paint the picture of like, yeah, he
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: was this typical rock star, a fifty five year old
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: budding rock star, right, he's just fresh on the scene
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: at fifty five. And then he's going through all this
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: and they're saying that, like, well, his womanizing and partying
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: seemed to and and kind of playing this character now
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: starts to seem to affect his real life.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And I don't really, personally, I don't know who has
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the insight to be like, no, no, this was all
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: an act, Like how much of it might have been real? Well,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: part of this starts it gets exposed towards towards the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: end of his career, which again was only a less
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: than a two year span that all of this is
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: happening in and there's talk show hosts that are they're interviewing,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, man, the way that the industry worked was
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that you started a talk show, you work at it
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: for five ten years, you make a name for yourself,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you get bigger guests. Like it's a long, decades long
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: endeavor to establish this name. And here's this guy that
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: came out of freaking left field, and within like three
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: or four months is is getting all the ratings, like
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the highest rated show. People know his name. It's unheard
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of that he had this meteoric rise. So it's appropriate
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that he falls just as fast. And part of that
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: is that it's harder and harder for him to get
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: guests on because as a guest, you know that he's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: gonna yell at you, and he's gonna spit at you,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna kick you out and basically just like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: tear you down. And that's the good part. You might
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: get stabbed on the way out by the freaking audience,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: which is essentially a lynch mob. So and that they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: legitimately have to have real security officers. Remember in Jerry
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Springer where they'd call out, like I can't remember the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: guy's name, the big bald guy, Steve. They'd have to
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: call Steve to come and like be the body preyer.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Like Steve was probably acting a lot of the time,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent of time, but he's probably acting
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: most of the time, like, oh, let me break this up. Well,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Steve was based on actual security guards that Morton Downey
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Junior actually had to have because people were getting into
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: violent outbreaks. So like it's showing that you can't necessarily
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: run a show long term when your guests are afraid
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: they might get hurt by you, like the host might
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: attack you, So it gets harder to get more people on.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So then it starts turning into like let me just
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of priss prostitutes on here and take
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: off their clothes, and then it's like the very bottom
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they shows. The example is he has a quadriplegic homeless
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: black lady and a gurney playing the American anthem with
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: her tongue on like a keyboard or something, and it
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: was just showing, like you started with Ron Paul discussing
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: legalization and libertarian ideals and now here you've got like
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a homeless lady with no limbs playing me. He's like
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: on a keyboard with her mouth like, there's not a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: lot of ways that you can go up from here.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: It's only all down.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: So I guess maybe inspired by that Tajuanta Brodley Hope's case,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: he uh after a show where he has neo Nazis
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: on and the neo Nazis are like making threats to him,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: so he's like, get the hell, you know, get off
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of my stage. Ed, you're out of here, buddy, America
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: hates you. Well, he goes to the bathroom and shortly
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: after he disappears off to the bathroom, they hear him
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: shouting for his assistant.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: He's like, oh, you know, come save me. Whatever.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: They show up and it looks like he's been beat up.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: He's got a swastika written on his clothes, just like
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Tauanta Braley had a swastika written on her. He's got
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like all the same markings and he claims that he
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was beat up by these neo Nazis. And slowly, over time,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: more and more people are like asking questions and starting
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: because they know this guy. They know that he does
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: this kind of thing to get attention and be this
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: like shock personality, and turns out that we actually get
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a confession by his friend that helped him stage this.
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: In the documentary, he's like, yeah, I staged it. He's like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: we were gonna do.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Anything for ratings, and he was trying to get on
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: people's good side again, get like a sympathetic ear, and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: it just backfired.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: And then it turns out he's.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Get lung cancer and then he just kind of like
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: dies slowly over time. I think in two thousand and one,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: but by then everyone had forgot about him, and I
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: would almost argue, in two thousand and one, you've got
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the Fox News channel, and at that point they're like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: we don't need Morton Downey Junior. We got the formula,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: we got twenty of them.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Let's just do. Let's have the girl.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Version, the guy version, the young version, the old version,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the black version, the Asian version. Like you've got every
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: version of Morton Downey Junior now on Fox News. You
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: don't need the og anymore.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I'll let you take over Hidden Treasures and overboard moments.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: My Hidden Treasure is the entire film, But I just
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: like the peak behind the curtain of like so people
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: could see like these are why for me, a lot
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: of these documentaries are important because we can say like, oh,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: look people are playing characters and it shows you and
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: it pieces by pieces, like look, this guy wasn't like
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: you have a little degree of this character within you, right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Like you can get angry, you can get sad, you
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: can get mad. But when you push the volume up
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: on certain things where you're like I'm gonna play into this,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna lean into this, it shows exactly what we
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: said in a couple episodes ago when we're talking about
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Fox News and stuff. It's like, this is how it's built.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: You build it through what does the audience want. He's
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: like he was great at like audience wants blood, here's blood,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: no problem he played.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: That was just his perfect instrument of him to do this.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: And then just to see how much has evolved from this,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I've something I never knew about. I never knew about
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: this guy whatsoever. And I think that watching this it
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: made me feel like, oh, this was before its time.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Like they try to get into the political sphere at first,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: but it's like, well, if you kind of leaned into
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: you could have did the Jerry Springer stuff. When you
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: have the paraplegics and the strippers and stuff, you can
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: lean into that. But you didn't know what you were doing,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: and you had built it off of this like political sphere,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: so it kind of threw you off, but you were
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: just just it's almost like general magic. You were right there, man,
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: you had it, but you were just a little bit
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: before your time, and that's why you didn't succeed. But
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: it also gives you an inside look of politics. This
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: is exactly how politics works. Him and Al Sharpton are
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: both Democrats fighting each other pretending one's a Republican and
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: one's Democrat, when in actuality they probably have a lot
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: of the similar views and they're both playing it and
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: they're like, this is all you have to do is
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: just say something crazy, get on the news, and now
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: you got publicity.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And honestly, if you look through all the other people
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that he made through his show, it's that same pattern
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  Speaker 1: of like the Democrat that then leads Republican because it's
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  Speaker 1: this contrived like it's the heel aspect. He like he's
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  Speaker 1: being a heel, but he knows all the people on
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  Speaker 1: his original home team that know how to play into
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: him being a heel. So it's Al Sharpton, Alan Dershowitz
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  Speaker 1: again of Trump and Epstein fame, Gloria Allred, who is
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  Speaker 1: like one of these big sort of activist lawyers in
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  Speaker 1: a way, and then the Trump connection, the Kennedy connection,
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  Speaker 1: Like all of this shows you this isn't just Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: this is DC. This is politics and Hollywood. So the
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  Speaker 1: documentary does such a great job of showing that. And
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  Speaker 1: also there's this really interesting part where the guy that
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  Speaker 1: is running MTV, the owner of MTV, who's the one
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  Speaker 1: that create that scouted this show and found Morton Downey Jr.
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  Speaker 6: And created the show.
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  Speaker 1: He's kind of talking to Morton Downey Junior and he's
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: like Morton, He's like, look, man, I've got other shows
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  Speaker 1: like it. Once you're off the air, I keep making money.
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  Speaker 1: I've got twenty other shows and I can keep turning
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  Speaker 1: this on. He's like, but this is your life, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you're turning yourself into this character, and I'm happy to
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  Speaker 1: be making money off of it, but I could just
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  Speaker 1: like move on to my next thing. You can't move
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  Speaker 1: on to your next thing. You're making this character into
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  Speaker 1: your life. So it's like all of his friends, his family,
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  Speaker 1: the people that he worked with professionally, all know that
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  Speaker 1: it was a certain act. But then that that hate crime,
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  Speaker 1: the Nazi thing that he staged. Even his best friend
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  Speaker 1: was telling him, Like when it first started out, they
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  Speaker 1: both realize, Hey, we're we're gonna stage this thing. It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be this. It's going like an early Juesse Smole
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  Speaker 1: a kind of thing. But that the more and more
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  Speaker 1: that Morton kept talking about it, he started to believe it.
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  Speaker 1: And then at a certain point there was not a
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  Speaker 1: version of mortin Downey Junior or that would ever admit
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  Speaker 1: that it was a hoax, because he had turned it
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  Speaker 1: into a real thing in his mind at that point.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess that's sort of the overarching story of
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  Speaker 1: this entire documentary of like he's playing into this character
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  Speaker 1: so much that at a certain point he starts becoming
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  Speaker 1: this womanizer that's like doing the horrible things that he's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: criticizing other people of, or that he was originally just
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  Speaker 1: pretending to be over the top, Well now he actually
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  Speaker 1: is over the top. And it never necessarily goes away.
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  Speaker 5: And I won't say this was a hidden treasure for me,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: but it just made me laugh so much. But sometimes
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: the stupidest things make me laugh. But there was a
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: scene in the film where they're talking about him being
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: on the road, like doing music and stuff, and they're like, yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: and he was laying in bed with his buddy, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: then the guy goes totally straight, totally straight.
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  Speaker 2: It just threw me off. It threw me for a loop.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Like I was like, I thought it was kind of
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  Speaker 5: weird that he's laying in bed with his friend in
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: the first place, but then when the.
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  Speaker 2: Guy goes totally straight, I was like, what's going on?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Well, because the yeah, it was weird, but they were
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: saying that it was early on. He's got daddy issues,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: he's worried about being abandoned by people. He's like struggling
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: out in the world. And his bandmate that he goes on,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you know, on the road with that they would sleep
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  Speaker 1: in the same bed. They didn't sleep together, but they
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: slept together, you know what I mean, Like there was
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: no penetration. Maybe they had the clothes on, but they
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: They basically imply that Mortin Downey Junior was like snuggling
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  Speaker 1: with his boy friend, not his boyfriend, but his friend
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that was a boy would like snuggle with him to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: feel safe and to feel wanted. But then when they
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  Speaker 1: wake up, it's like, all right, let's go find some
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  Speaker 1: tricks today. So it was like not a gay thing,
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  Speaker 1: it was a wanted to be feeling comforted thing.
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  Speaker 2: It was platonic.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the definition of platonic in that way.
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  Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior theur does he sink or does he swim?
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  Speaker 5: This is a roller coaster ride that got to a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of everything, something that I not expected. A
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  Speaker 5: movie I've never heard of, a guy I had never
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: heard of, but actually was influential in everything that I've watched,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: probably growing up in my from my teens to my twenties,
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: played and he impacted probably each in one of those people.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: They probably all know who he is and they have
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: heard of him. I would say, this is a swim
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  Speaker 5: all the way unexpected swim, I'd say, though, because not
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  Speaker 5: that I was gonna think, like, you know, I was like,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: what are we getting into? Like I'm thinking Downing Junior
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  Speaker 5: must be related to Robert or one of these guys
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  Speaker 5: and must be some like Offling cousin or something, And
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, this is incredible and the depth that
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: you get of from political politics, Hollywood, even a little
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: bit of the music industry. You wouldn't expect. This is
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  Speaker 5: a swim all the way for me.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Same here, huge swim.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like the biggest thing in this documentary is unspoken,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: but it's how well you can take Oh, this is
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: news media and talk shows and politics. They don't say
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: in politics, but they imply it. They just show you how.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: It's the exact same premise where you take somebody that
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: has this political leaning and these morals and you're like, well,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: if you want to make money, just change you know
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  Speaker 1: everything about yourself and lean into a character you're not
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: actually represented by, and.
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  Speaker 6: That it works, and it's a formula works over and
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  Speaker 6: over again.
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  Speaker 1: I also just think that this is like something that
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily know about or learn about. But holy
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  Speaker 1: hell man, this is a entertaining documentary. Just the clips
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of Morton Downey Junior on his own show, Like I
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  Speaker 1: want to go back and watch every single episode that
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  Speaker 1: he's ever put out.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care if I agree.
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  Speaker 1: With him or not, or whether he got you know,
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  Speaker 1: if spitting' Ron Paul's face and called him slime and
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  Speaker 1: then he wanted a puke on him, Like that is
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: content that even though I know it's like junk food,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like it's horrible for like your brain probably, but holy hell,
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  Speaker 1: he found a way to make this so freaking entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of the medium, right, So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even if you didn't even if you don't learn anything,
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  Speaker 1: even if they didn't have like the political angle and
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  Speaker 1: all this interesting introspection, he was a complex guy that
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: wrote some really deep poetry, Like you know that there
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: was more going on that his character allowed you to see.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But even throwing all that out the window, like if
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you put on a Jerry Springer episode and I don't
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  Speaker 1: got anything else to do, like I'm probably watching that
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  Speaker 1: entire episode, even knowing it's pure garbage, and like this
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: movie has all of that plus all the complexity and
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  Speaker 1: the reasons that you should watch it, but it's also
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