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Cheerleader, 13, stabbed 114 times: NEW EVIDENCE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A thirteen year old cheerleader's
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  Speaker 1: body found stabbed over one hundred times in the last hours.
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  Speaker 1: A bombshell Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How did it
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  Speaker 1: all start? Listen? Kristen Bailey was reported missing by her
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  Speaker 1: family on Sunday morning. Hours later, her body was found
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  Speaker 1: in a wooded area near her neighborhood. The medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: says she was stabbed to death. Later that day, a
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  Speaker 1: jogger in the neighborhood found a young girl's body bloody
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood's woods. The medical examiner's report, released Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: indicates Bailey had been stabbed one hundred fourteen times and
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  Speaker 1: had defensive That report also revealed the suspected weapon, A
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  Speaker 1: knife was found in a pond only one hundred forty
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  Speaker 1: feet from the body. The knife of missing, its temp,
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  Speaker 1: the temp found in tristan scalp. The knife so violently
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  Speaker 1: used to murder this little cheerleader just thirteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: The tip of the knife is still embedded in her
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  Speaker 1: scalp and skull. Oh yeah, somebody is going to jail, Bobshell.
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  Speaker 1: Evidence has emerged. Guys, you were just listening to our
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  Speaker 1: friend Jennifer Ready at First Coast and w j XT
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  Speaker 1: News for Jacks. Let me introduce you an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel joining us. First of all, you know him well,
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  Speaker 1: A veteran defense attorney, Troy Slayton joining us out of
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  Speaker 1: La Slayton Lawyers. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst to the Stars,
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  Speaker 1: joining us out of Hollywood. You can find her at
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Start at brand new series
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix, Bleeding MPI. Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: for the entire state of Florida at pathcarenmed dot com,
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  Speaker 1: Senior Lecturer, University Florida Med School in Forensic Medicine and
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  Speaker 1: the host of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference.
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  Speaker 1: I bet that's a good time. Karen nel Smith joining me,
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert lecture, University Florida and hostop Shattered Souls podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But first to Ray Kipude, lead news anchor Orlando Morning
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  Speaker 1: News at WDBO. Ray Kapute, Before you say a word,
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  Speaker 1: listen to this pravaillance video spotted what appears to be
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  Speaker 1: Tristan Bailey walking north from the amenity he senter at
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  Speaker 1: one fourteen am thirty one minutes later, two people are
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  Speaker 1: seen walking east along Salothstone Drive at one forty five am.
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  Speaker 1: One is wearing shorts of Hidie and white shoes with
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  Speaker 1: a black Nike logo, the other wearing black pants send
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  Speaker 1: a black shirt. That same camera then capture one person
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  Speaker 1: walking back west wearing short's a Hidie and this time
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  Speaker 1: carrying white shoes with the black Nike logo. That was
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  Speaker 1: around three twenty seven am. One hour forty two minutes later,
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  Speaker 1: police found clothing with blood on it. This video at
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  Speaker 1: twelve fifteen am on May ninth, shows two people believed
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  Speaker 1: to be teens walking east on Saddlestone Drive. As to
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  Speaker 1: whether or not that is Aidan Fucci and Tristan Bailey
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  Speaker 1: in this video, that is not confirmed. This was on
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  Speaker 1: Mother's Day, the same day investigators say Tristan Bailey was
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  Speaker 1: found dead the Saint John's County Sheriff's Office. Investigators say
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  Speaker 1: this video shows Fucci running at one fifty two in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, so over an hour after two teams were
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  Speaker 1: spotted walking in the neighborhood. Guys, you're hearing our friends
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  Speaker 1: at First Coast News and w j XT News. Jack,
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  Speaker 1: you know the shadowy images caught on a surveillance video
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  Speaker 1: shows a thirteen year old cheerleader, Tristan Bailey, walking with
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  Speaker 1: another person. Then later you see a young boy, Aidan
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  Speaker 1: FISHI aged fourteen, running and you also say someone matching
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  Speaker 1: the same outfit carrying a pair of white Nike shoes.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, Ray Kimputo again, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: we had with us w DBO. Where is thirteen year
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  Speaker 1: old Tristan Bailey that evening? Where had she been? Well,
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  Speaker 1: she was hanging out in her neighborhood in Durban crossing Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: That's in Saint John's for just south of Jacksonville. It's
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  Speaker 1: an upper middle class neighborhood and it was late at
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  Speaker 1: night before any of this happened. But if you wonder
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  Speaker 1: why a thirteen year old girl will be out late
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  Speaker 1: at night on a Saturday night, it was just that
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  Speaker 1: type of neighborhood. It was tree lined to surveillance cameras everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people didn't anticipate problems there. It was in
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  Speaker 1: Saint John's Fort, a beautiful place where a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people were moving these days. I understand Raykomputer that there
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  Speaker 1: was like a community center where they had bann Do
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  Speaker 1: you recall that Jackie, they all the teams, and we
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  Speaker 1: had one of those, believe it or not, out in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. And when I was a little
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  Speaker 1: it seems so big. Now I drive by it, I think,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe that was the huge community center. It's
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  Speaker 1: very small when I look at it now. But we
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  Speaker 1: would have bands in there and dance and play games
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  Speaker 1: and just all sorts of fun half Halloween carnivals inside,
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  Speaker 1: bobbing for apples, and everybody would go there. And it's
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  Speaker 1: my understanding that Tristan had been to a community center
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  Speaker 1: event with the whole neighborhood and a lot of kids
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  Speaker 1: coming in and out that night. This shadowy surveillance video
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing, where are those cameras? Ray Kaputo, Well, the
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  Speaker 1: surveillance of the video cameras are scene are actually doorbell cameras,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, are ones that are attached to homes. So
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  Speaker 1: they're on these homes on Saddle Stolen Court, so you're seeing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, somebody's looking off their window. That's what they
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  Speaker 1: might have seen at that time of night, in the
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  Speaker 1: one o'clock hour. So how in the world does eighteen
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  Speaker 1: boys mother get tied into all of this. You've got
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  Speaker 1: a little cheerleader age thirteen, stabbed about one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fourteen times to the tip of a knife in her skull.
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  Speaker 1: Now you've got an unrelated teen boys mother charged. Why Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: please play the new sound. We received a series of
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  Speaker 1: videos late this afternoon, including those from inside Puccie's Durban
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  Speaker 1: Crossing home, which show what detectives say is Fucci's mom
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  Speaker 1: washing blood off of his jeans. All your Sides. Robert
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  Speaker 1: Bradfield is live tonight in the newsroom looking through that
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  Speaker 1: video as prosecutors build a first gree murder case against
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  Speaker 1: the Saint John's County teenager Robert One good evening. That
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  Speaker 1: video inside Fucci's home is about sixteen minutes long, but
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  Speaker 1: we're going to show you just the first part, which
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  Speaker 1: shows his mother, Crystal Smith, walking into an upstairs bath room,
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  Speaker 1: and that is where the state's attorney says Smith is
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  Speaker 1: seen cleaning her son's bloody jeans. When officers went into
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  Speaker 1: the home, they found a pair of wet jeans in
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  Speaker 1: Fuchi's bedroom, and as we reported earlier this summer, the
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  Speaker 1: jeans and a drain in a bathroom tested positive for blood.
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  Speaker 1: Smith was arrested in June. She is charged with evidence tampering.
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  Speaker 1: Now other video released today shows who detectives believe are
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  Speaker 1: Fuchi and Bailey walking in their neighborhood on the morning
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  Speaker 1: of May ninth, the last time Bailey was seen alive. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Troy's Layton veteran defense attorney. If mommy had just thrown
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  Speaker 1: a lot of clothes into the wash, that would have
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  Speaker 1: been one thing. Because I've actually thrown a shoe, a
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  Speaker 1: cell phone, a coat hanger into the washing machine with
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  Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing. Okay, just like Jody
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  Speaker 1: Arius when she threw her Digi cam in there with
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  Speaker 1: accidental photos of the murder scene. I could get that
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  Speaker 1: it's an accident. But for mommy to pick up her
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  Speaker 1: son's blue jeans and then go in the bathroom and
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  Speaker 1: wash the blood out by hand, good luck slight. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Nancy, when I was a kid and I'd
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  Speaker 1: play some soccer and I'd roll on my knees on
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  Speaker 1: the soccer field and big green stains would be down
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  Speaker 1: my pants. Those wouldn't just come out in the normal wash,
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  Speaker 1: and my mom, God bless her, would would scrub those
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  Speaker 1: things to get those stains out. So maybe she was
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  Speaker 1: just acting like a good mom, saw some really dirty jeans,
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  Speaker 1: thinking that wouldn't come out in the regular wash, and
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  Speaker 1: scrub them to make sure they got the stain out.
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  Speaker 1: What we don't know is that the mother knew that
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  Speaker 1: this was blood from a potential crime scene and was
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  Speaker 1: intentionally trying to destroy evidence. That's what we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: How can I slice up everything? He just said, Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: could you play that new sound one more time? We
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  Speaker 1: received a series of videos late this afternoon, including those
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  Speaker 1: from inside Puccie's Durban Crossing home, would show what detectives
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  Speaker 1: say is Fucci's mom washing blood off of his jeans.
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  Speaker 1: All your Side, Robert Bradfield is live tonight in the
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  Speaker 1: newsroom looking through that video as prosecutors build a first
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  Speaker 1: re murder case against the Saint John's County teenager. Robert
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  Speaker 1: One good evening. That video inside Fucci's home is about
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  Speaker 1: sixteen minutes long, but we're going to show you just
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  Speaker 1: the first part, which shows his mother, Crystal Smith, walking
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  Speaker 1: into an upstairs bathroom, and that is where the state's
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  Speaker 1: attorney says Smith is seen cleaning her son's bloody jeans.
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  Speaker 1: When officers went into the home. They found a pair
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  Speaker 1: of wet jeans in Fucci's bedroom, and, as we reported
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  Speaker 1: earlier this summer, the jeans and a drain in a
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  Speaker 1: bathroom tested positive for blood. Smith was arrested in June.
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  Speaker 1: She is charged with evidence tampering crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Let's think about what we just heard to doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: Psycho and was joining us star Netflix Bleeding Empire Dodger. Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: I'd really like to see the time stamp when mommy
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  Speaker 1: is cleaning the jeans in the bathroom. There's no doubt
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  Speaker 1: she knew it was blood, Okay, because there's still blood
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  Speaker 1: in the drain, and it's Tristan Bailey's blood, the cheerleader's blood,
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  Speaker 1: so she knew it was blood. She knew he had
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  Speaker 1: been out playing soccer the night before. But Slayton has
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  Speaker 1: a valid point. But if she was doing that, it's
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  Speaker 1: a three o'clock in the morning, that's extremely surreptitious, Bethany, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at it this way. This is not the
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  Speaker 1: first time mommy has tried to cover up bad acts
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  Speaker 1: that her son, Fucci has undertaken. You know mothers know
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  Speaker 1: then you know your son. You know your daughter, you
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  Speaker 1: know their character, you know what they're capable of. Bethanie, Bethanie,
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  Speaker 1: I know what class he's in right now, and which
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  Speaker 1: class he's in right now. You darn right go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: You know whether or not they've done their homework. You
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  Speaker 1: know who their friends are. You know whether or not
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  Speaker 1: to let them have sleepovers at certain people's houses. He
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  Speaker 1: is a young tween, he's barely a teenager. He's out
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  Speaker 1: at this community center until I think it's three to
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  Speaker 1: forty in the morning. Mommy has to be aware that
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  Speaker 1: he has a girlfriend, this cute cheerleader. She has to
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  Speaker 1: have been worried about this all along, because all parents
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  Speaker 1: worry about their children's first dating relationships, and she has
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  Speaker 1: to know that her son is just a little bit strange. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a good thing that mother
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  Speaker 1: is watching blood off of her son's jeans, and what
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  Speaker 1: she should be doing, she's a good mom, is sitting
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  Speaker 1: down with him and saying, where did this flood come from?
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  Speaker 1: What were you doing out till three to forty in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, What was going on at that community center?
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  Speaker 1: She should be parenting him, not covering up for him.
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  Speaker 1: You know another issue, and I'm gonna throw to you.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'll circle back to Karen Smith and doctor Tim Gallagher,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. Let me go to Raykaputo, first lead anchor
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  Speaker 1: for WDBO there in Florida. I also learned that, according
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  Speaker 1: to documents that we have just gotten our hands on,
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  Speaker 1: one of Aidan Fichi, age fourteens, female friends tells police
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  Speaker 1: he frequently talked about killing people, that he would take
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  Speaker 1: his knife out and pretend to stab her with it,
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  Speaker 1: and that he would draw graphic pictures of depicting mutilated bodies.
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  Speaker 1: You've forgotten to mention that, Rayka Puto. Yeah, well, you
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  Speaker 1: know some people like their guns, Nancy, this kid likes knives.
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  Speaker 1: One of his friends even said that he had a
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  Speaker 1: nickname for his knights. He called them picker and poker,
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  Speaker 1: and both of the right stop actually stop, yeah, banking
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  Speaker 1: from the fire hydrant too much, too fast. I gotta
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  Speaker 1: write that down. He named his knives, yes, ma'am, picker
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  Speaker 1: and poker. Are you saying picker and poker? Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll need to bring the shrink in on that.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Named his knives picker and Poker. Did you
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  Speaker 1: know that I didn't know that. Go ahead, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean this kid liked his knives. They found many
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  Speaker 1: more in his home too, eating Futee clearly had a
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  Speaker 1: thing for sharp objects. Man, he talked about killing people,
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  Speaker 1: he collected knives. I mean, talk about the writing being
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  Speaker 1: on the wall. You know what, It is just so
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  Speaker 1: ironic that when we throw around the phrase the writing
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  Speaker 1: is on the wall, that actually came from the Old Testament,
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  Speaker 1: and now it's being used rightfully. So Raki Puto and
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  Speaker 1: the gruesome murder of a thirteen year old little girl,
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  Speaker 1: thinking you know, my little girl is thirteen. Lucy and
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  Speaker 1: John David are both thirteen years old. This little girl
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  Speaker 1: was stabbed one hundred and fourteen times with a knife
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  Speaker 1: tip still in her skull. Ray capedo WDBO. That's not
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  Speaker 1: all that was found in the home of the Bloody Clothes.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that the cops recovered a notebook filled with
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  Speaker 1: violent drawings of women, including a woman with red excess
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  Speaker 1: on her breasts and severed arms with blood pouring out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's correct, Nancy. I mean, this kid had some
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  Speaker 1: really disturbing things going through his hud and it makes
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  Speaker 1: you wonder. Getting back to the eye. She was so
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  Speaker 1: interested in helping him out after he got in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: But but again, how can you not notice that this
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  Speaker 1: is your child and all these things are going on
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  Speaker 1: in their lives. He had the knives, he had the drawings.
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  Speaker 1: He was even telling people about what he did or
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  Speaker 1: what was gonna do. He was a clearly a disturbed
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  Speaker 1: young man who needed help, and he was crying out
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  Speaker 1: for quite a bit of time. But both chries didn't
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  Speaker 1: go answered. Raka Puto, I hardly think that naming your
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  Speaker 1: nice picker and poker and drawing mutilated women and keeping
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  Speaker 1: the drawings in your room, I would call that the devil, evil, hate, misogyny,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't know which way to go, but thankfully
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  Speaker 1: I've got a panel of experts. Doctor Bethany, do not
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  Speaker 1: start up second verse same as the first. But he's insane.
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  Speaker 1: If he were insane, he would not know to run
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  Speaker 1: away and lie. Well, thank god, Nancy. Sociopathy, which this
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  Speaker 1: young man surely suffers from, is a personality disorder, not
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  Speaker 1: a psychiatric disorder, meaning that it affects. It's an affliction
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  Speaker 1: of the mind, not the brain, so certainly he knew
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  Speaker 1: right from wrong, Nancy, this is a budding serial killer
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  Speaker 1: in the making. You know, the love for the knives,
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  Speaker 1: picker and poker, the drawing of the woman with the
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  Speaker 1: red xes on her breast, the severed arms this guy got.
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  Speaker 1: This young man derived great thrill and satisfaction from thinking
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  Speaker 1: about stabbing and dismembering. And you know, mothers fall into
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  Speaker 1: two categories when it comes to having a child like this.
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  Speaker 1: The first category is a mother who knows there's a
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  Speaker 1: problem and seeks help, gets a psychiatrist and a psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: gets social services, and wants to help their son have
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  Speaker 1: a better life. And the second category we see all
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  Speaker 1: too often is the mother who aids and a bets
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  Speaker 1: the child, covers up, looks the other way. We'll do
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  Speaker 1: anything to save the child, even if it means that
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  Speaker 1: there are other victims out there in society. And surely,
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  Speaker 1: surely this mother falls into the second category. With washing
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  Speaker 1: the blood off her son's jeans, This mother knew what
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  Speaker 1: was happening, Nancy. She saw this all unfolding for a
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  Speaker 1: long long time. Why does she even let him out
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  Speaker 1: in the community past midnight? To doctor Tim Gallagher, a
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  Speaker 1: medical Examiner for the State of Florida. This occurred in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: Saint John's County. Doctor Gallagher, would you explain what happened
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  Speaker 1: to this thirteen year old little girl because we're talking
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  Speaker 1: a lot about what may or may not ego through
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  Speaker 1: the mind of her killer, But what about her, what
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  Speaker 1: happened to her? Well, first of all, one who mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that doctor Bulick in Saint John's County, which is District
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  Speaker 1: twenty three in Florida, is probably one of the most
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  Speaker 1: intelligent positions that we have in the state. He is
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  Speaker 1: Yale educated and trained in Fort Lauderdale. Wonderful, wonderful man.
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  Speaker 1: But going getting back to her, what was his name? Bulick?
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  Speaker 1: B u l I C okay, go ahead. So you've
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  Speaker 1: got a great man, You've got a great doctor on
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  Speaker 1: the case. Go ahead, wonderful, wonderful man. Um. I can't
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  Speaker 1: say enough about him. But getting back to her, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so initially, you know, there was the surprise of the stabbing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there was an argument leading up to it.
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  Speaker 1: But when I don't know about that, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about that, Doctor Gallagher, because this was not boyfriend girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: They were just you know, in the same grade they
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  Speaker 1: knew each other, there was no romantic interest, like they
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  Speaker 1: had an argument. So I don't know if if there
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  Speaker 1: was an argument or if he led her out there
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  Speaker 1: in order to kill her. I mean he had a
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  Speaker 1: knife for him. But that's said go ahead, right, But
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  Speaker 1: you can see there was a struggle. She had defensive
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  Speaker 1: wounds on her forearms, and what defensive wounds are is
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  Speaker 1: she was actually holding up her arms to defend herself
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  Speaker 1: against the knife and he was slashing at her arms
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  Speaker 1: on her forearm. I gotta tell you somethinking, doctor, I
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  Speaker 1: just saw at the corner of my eye. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do it myself as you were talking. But Jackie here,
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  Speaker 1: as you were saying, held her hands up like that.
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  Speaker 1: How many times have I done that in front of
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  Speaker 1: a jury when you say defensive wounds trying to cover
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  Speaker 1: your face or your body. And this little thirteen year
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  Speaker 1: old girl, as doctor Tim Gallagher is telling us, was
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  Speaker 1: covered in defensive wounds trying to save her life. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So she was conscious and aware of what was going
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  Speaker 1: on at that point. You know, she knew at that
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  Speaker 1: point she was fending for her life. But eventually she
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  Speaker 1: became overpowered and these stab wounds to her head. Oftentimes,
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  Speaker 1: if the knife is sufficient, will penetrate through the skull
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  Speaker 1: and into the brain, and we see that could have
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  Speaker 1: been the case here when a tip of the knife
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  Speaker 1: broke off and lodged itself into the skull. So she
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  Speaker 1: may have died from the brain injury, or she may
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  Speaker 1: have had other stab wounds on her chest organs, that
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  Speaker 1: being the heart and the lungs. Either way, it was
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  Speaker 1: a very protracted assault and had gone on for at
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: least a minute or two, Doctor Tim Gallagher, have you
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: ever seen a case where there were over one hundred
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: stab wounds like this? Unfortunately, that's more common than a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: single stab wound. This is something that we'd like to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: call overkill. Where there is an emotion involved, or emotions
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: are involved in the homicide. The person gets absolutely worked
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: up and just loses track of how many times stabbing
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: them more or the frustration of the release of stabbing
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: this person is pleasurable to the assailant, and that we
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: find that more often than we hold on. I'm trying.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to take in everything you're saying, doctor Gallagher,
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  Speaker 1: because frankly, when anybody on this panel speaks, sometimes I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: have to get them to repeat it. I'm just a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: trial lawyer and and your thoughts are actually very in depth,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and I have to to take it in and understand it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: He just said. Doctor Tim Gallagher, he was a renowned
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: medical examiner, believes and you may think this is outside
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of his province that he's talking about mental emotional, sexual
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: gratification of a defendant. But when you've seen thousands of homicides,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you began to statistically analyze what you see. And I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: think he's right, whether it was a sexual release, or
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you have a goal and when you achieve that goal,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you feel proud, you feel satisfied. Maybe it was that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: type of feeling he got from this brutal murder Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Karenel Smith joining me, forensics expert,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: lecturer and host Shattered Soul's podcast. You've seen so many
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: homicides as well, agree or disagree, and why I do?
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  Speaker 1: I've seen it. Unfortunately, just like doctor Galla said, it
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: does happen, whether or not it's a rage or like
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: he said, a sexual release, whatever the motivation is. Multiple
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: stabbings are more common than a single stabbing. And Nancy,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: there's something that I need to talk about of regarding
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: not only what Tory Slayton said, but what everybody else
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: has been saying about these genes. Mommy can try to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: clean them all she wants, but they tested positive for blood,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and that tells me they did a simple color test
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: after a visual inspection, the blood was still on those pants. Now,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: if the blood was still on the pants, there's a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: possibility that patterns can still be discerned even after they've
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: been cleaned. If that blood was allowed to dry on
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the fabric first, and if there were small blood droplets
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: on those genes, that put the wearer, which would be
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Aiden Fucci, and close proximity to the victim time the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: crime was committed. It is absolute proof that he was there,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that the blood broke up into droplets while he was there.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It can also help position him over the victim. His
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: DNA was found on her body, which means he probably
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: injured himself since he used a knife. That's very common
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  Speaker 1: as well. So I just want to command the Saint
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  Speaker 1: John Sheriff Sat John's County Sheriff's Office for their Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: wonderful work on this. They really did a great job
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: processing this, plus finding the weapon as well. Guys, there's more.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twenty five. This is
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Heather Crawford, First Coast Knees. So let's talk more about
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: these new documents. They were also shedding light on the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: night Aiden Fucin his parents were inside of an interrogation
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: room after Tristan Bailey's body was discovered. Aiden's parents questioned
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: him with no detectives in the room but the audio
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in video devices they were rolling. According to the report,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: his mother told him that Bailey was found in their neighborhood.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: The report says, Aidan then asked, is she good? The
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: mother's response, no, she's dead. It's all on you right now.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: The report says, Aiden asked, how is it my problem?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: They reportedly said because he was the last one seen
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: with her. The report also says the mother asked where
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Bailey went after they parted, and Buccie stated that she
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: probably kept walking. His father asked, according to the report,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: he didn't turn around to see where she went, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he replied no now. According to the report, Aiden's parents
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: told him to find his story and stick to it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: He was arrested at three thirty the next morning. His mother,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Crystal Smith, would later be arrested accused of tampering with
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: evidence in this case Troy Slaton joining me La Veteran
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Criminal Defense Attorneys Slayton Lawyers APC Troy. So the recording
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: devices are still rolling and this Aiden Fucci, h fourteen, says,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: how's it my problem when they tell him Tristan is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: found dead. So, firstly, there is no parent child confidentiality
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: privilege known to the law. So although they may have
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: thought that they were speaking privately, the parents and the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: child suspect, the police were perfectly in their right to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: be recording inside that police interrogation room. And so anything
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that he said to his mom and dad can be
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: used against him. And even though he would say to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: his parents and he's probably experienced in deflecting his parents
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: off of things that he's done wrong over his past
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: fourteen years, that doesn't protect him in this case. I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: want to get your thinking, doctor, Bethany Marshall, of what
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: you have heard that audio recording that we've gotten of
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the parents talking to fourteen year old Aidan Fucci. Well,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I think this is not their first rodeo. I think
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: he's done all kinds of things that they have aided
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: embedded in covering up. Maybe not a homicide. Maybe this
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: is the first catastrophic violation of the law he's done.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But I'm sure there's been lesser infractions. I'm sure he
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: has tortured animals, gotten bad grains, hit people, poked at people,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: maybe stabbed people, even in a non homicidal way, but
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: in a threatening way. So these parents are well skilled
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and well schooled and covering up for their child and choice.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Lacoln said. Something I think is so fascinating, and we
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: see this with parents, is that from the time our
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: children are born, they teach us how to accommodate to them,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They teach us how to cover up, but they also
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: teach us that we can't look past their flaws and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: we have to take the heart rolls road of reprimanding
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: them and punishing them and disciplining them to make them
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: better human beings. And if this young man was born
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: as a sociopath, he really needed his parents to discipline
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: him and to try to override those tendencies. And apparently
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: he just never got the memo. Well, doctor Bethany, I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: want you to hear something, and that is how this guy,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci behaved in the cop car. Take a Listen
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to our cut twenty seven our friends at Action Needs
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville News. Snapchat videos show Fucci in the back of
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the cop car before he was a suspect, having fun
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: cop car. Yea, Christen, what's up? Guys? Walk out when
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you see this. In a month, another video from inside
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Fucci's home appears to show his mother cleaning the jeans
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: police say Aiden wore the night of the murder. She's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: been charged for tampering with evidence to those genes. Investigators
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: say both the genes and the sink she washed them
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: in tested positive for blood. Not only that in that
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: cop car, he made a statement having fun in an
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: eff and cop car. Hey, anybody's seen Tristan? Says that
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: in the car. But that is not the end in
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: my mind, that shows he knew what was happening. Crime
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. What I'm saying, Troy Slayton, is
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that this guy is in the back of the car
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: mocking everything and everybody. I'm having fun in an effing
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: cop car. And then he makes some comment like, hey,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: anybody's seen Tristan, She's dead? Why did he say that?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Listen to our cut twenty
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: seven one more time. New Snapchat videos show Fuchi in
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the back of the cop car before he was a suspect,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: having fun cock car. Yea Christ, what's up? Guys? Walk
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: out when you see this. In a month, another video
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: from inside Fuchie's home appears to show his mother cleaning
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the jeans police say Aidan wore the night of the murder.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: She's been charged for tampering with evidence to those genes.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Investigators say both the jeans and the sink she washed
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: them in tested positive for blood. I mean. It is
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: argued amongst many legal eagles choice Slaton that his six
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: selfie in a cop car shows that he's actually proud
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm murdering cheerleader Tristan Mailey to me, Nancy, it shows
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the elements of not guilty by reason and Evan say,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: which in Florida uses the McNaughton rule. If I were
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to use the evidence from the medical examiner on this
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: show and the testimony of doctor Bethany Marshall from this show,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: we clearly establish, by clear and convincing evidence that he
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: was not guilty by reason of insanity at the time
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that he committed this act. Well, I couldn't disagree more
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: because here he is in a cock car saying, hey, guys,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: has anybody saying Tristan Lightley shooting a peace sign, having
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: fun in a cock car, being a snarky brat. That's
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: hab somebody one hundred and fourteen times running from the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: crime scene throwing a knife into the water. And then
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: why do you think he saw a knife in the water,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Troy so nobody could find it? Why is that smarter
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: wapping with his blood on it, but brings the sheath home,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: comes home and just throws thready away the murder weapon.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And finally, only one already Ann that believes that shows
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: evidence of guilt, I mean someone Nancy. He knew what
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he was doing, and mocking Tristan from the police car
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: is the same m as the murder. We were talking
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: about it earlier in the show, that he wanted to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: triumph over her control her. He likely got sexual satisfaction
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: from killing her. I doubt this was a frustrated rage.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think he was romancing the idea of killing somebody
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: for a long long time. I think his family knew that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I think it was sexually exciting to him. That's why
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: he had the red crosses over the woman's breast and
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: her arms severed. You know he's going to disable her
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: so he can rape her. That's what that picture is
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: all about. Well, you know that's what we call troy.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: We call malingering. It's when you make up a fictitious
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: illness to look ill when you're not more for you, guys,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that bears on state of mind. Take a listen to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: our cut twenty six. This is Danny Bozzini Action News
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Jack's new evidence giving us a glimpse into the moments
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: before and after a love thirteen year old Tristan Bailey
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: was brutally murdered. Please say, in this video, Tristan is
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: walking with her accused killer, fourteen year old Aidan Fucci,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: just after midnight Sunday, May ninth, Mother's Day. Ninety minutes later,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: another surveillance video shows Fuci running in the opposite direction
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: with what appears to be his shoes in hand. The
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: State Attorney's Office releasing another clip, timestamped at three thirty
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: am that same morning. You can see Fucci walking up
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to his home, heading to the front door, and going inside.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Fucci initially told investigators that he left a friend's house
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: with Tristan and they walked together until she turned onto
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: her street. That story changed a few more times. Okay,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: let me capsulize this, Karen Smith. We've got him running
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: from the scene, carrying his shoes that were likely bloody,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: throwing away the murder weapon, slowing down when he gets
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to his own home, walking in, changing his story multiple times,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and continuing to lie about it to me. All of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that shows he knew what he did was wrong. And
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that is as Charice Layton throws around the technical turn
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the McNaughton test, it's very simple. Did you know right
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: from wrong at the time of the incident. It shows
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: me evidence of guilt, hiding, running, destroying evidence. That's right.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And guess what bund found. Knife was found one hundred
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: forty feet away. The shoes were found in his room,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: likely bloody, that's why he was carrying them. They found
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: his gene, they found his close they found her DNA
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: all over it, They found blood patterns, they found his
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: DNA on her body. They found the tip of the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: knife embedded in first skull. This is an open and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: shut case in my mind. Now it's up to you
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: lawyers to battle out whether or not he was quote
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: unquote insane. But to me, every single step, every single
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: thing that has been seen in the forensics of this
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: case shows me that he had a premeditated, murderous mind
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and he knew what he did was wrong. He's running
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: from the crime scene with evidence in his hands. To
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: me as an open and shut case, Nancy, Doctor Tim
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Gallagher joining me out of Florida medical examiner Dodgor Gallagher.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: So he throws the murder weapon into a body of water. Well,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: how can they still get both his and her DNA
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: off the murder weapon. Well, that's a really good question.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: You know, water does tend to degrade DNA, so if
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: they recovered it very quickly, then it would certainly be possible,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: especially if not only blood was on it, but the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: flesh of the victim and flesh of the assailant was
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: on there. Then DNA could be recovered from that quickly. Yeah, Noisy,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I have to jump in here. There was another case
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: out of Jacksonville, the Cherish Periwinkle case, where one of
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: my coworkers recovered an entire full thirteen LOCI profile from
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Cherish Periwinkle's neck after she was submerged in water. So
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: it is absolutely possible to find both sets of DNA
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: on that murder weapon. I was just thinking about Cherish
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: last night. As a matter of fact, Karen, she was
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a little girl that was led out of one of
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: those superstores with a sex predator who murdered her. Well,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: we see where the defense is headed. I mean, Damon's really,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: couldn't you just surprised us once? I mean ever since
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Flip Wilson, the TV star said the devil made me
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: do it. I mean, here we go with the demons.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to new footage we've obtained this young man,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci and his first court appearance, and yes, demons
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: also appear. Take a listen to our friends at four News.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Jack's I'm going on, why are you trences take my soul?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Take my soul, My soul? What's going on? Demons take
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: my soul? Blah blah. I guess he's going to be
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a co defendant with Billzebub. We wait as justice unfalse
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime story signing off Goodbye Friend one