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  Over time for bullshit. Hey, dude, believe me. I've worked overtime
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  hours and didn't get fifty four million views in three weeks. So fifty four
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  million, fifty four million, dude, Yeah, I mean I I talked.
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  I talked to Kay's about about that video, and like, I know
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  you're like, so we're talking, of course about that. What's what's the
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  guy's name, Oliver Anthony And he's got this song called Richmond the North of
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  Richmond, Richmond, North of Richmond. Yeah, so so yeah, for
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  those who don't know, it's like this like song that hit the number one
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  charts on like like everything, no iTunes. It was like Billboard, I
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  don't think apparently was number one on the billboard. Why are we talking about
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  this? I don't want to. We don't have to talk about look that
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  right wings comeback and like fuck his ideology, not that I don't think that,
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  like he seems like an I don't know, he seems like a normal
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  guy, but not that. It's just like the song is like people's over
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  people everywhere are just taking it way too seriously and again now it's just totally
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  forgotten and nobody cares. Well the cycle is he got in this he got
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  swept up in the cycle. It was for that week and that was it
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  and like two weeks maybe I don't know, Yeah, what like what what
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  were you saying? Though, Like he's he seems like a nice guy.
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  Yeah, he seems like a fine guy. What isn't he like like one
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  of those fucking trumpists. I mean he's apparently according to him, he's like
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  one of those guys I'm not like left or yeah exactly, So he just
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  seems like a guy who's it's like people are looking way too hard into like,
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  oh, he's actually like it's actually just like it's like he's he's tricking
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  people, and it's like, I just think he wrote a song, dude,
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  I don't think it's I think it's like a totally like it's a fully
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  astroturfed like thing of like all the right wing pundits where like this song is
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  amazing, this speaks to me or whatever. But then like people, people
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  just on the other side are just looking at it way too much, like
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  it's he's actually secretly wishing the South one and stuff like that, and it's
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  like, what, like, were you doing this? I don't know,
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  you don't think that like you don't you don't think that that that that that
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  entire video, with the lyrics and like the emotions behind it, is like
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  heavily steeped and like sort of like the whole you know, capital riots,
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  uh celebrations and like uh you know QAnon kind of stuff. No, it's
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  not you don't think that. I don't you don't think that that person has
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  like created basically like a rallying song for those people, and like that that's
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  a different thing, creating a rallying song. But like, so who was
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  his intended audience? He just like poor, poor people that are going through
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  a tough time. Well, but that's exactly what I'm saying. He used
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  on the back of that populism. He's got these messages of these miners on
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  this fucking island, and like miners is a touchy point because like that's what
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  the right has been using as a dog whistle to be like we fucking hate
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  trans people, we fucking hate gay people, and like they're they're boffering kids.
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  A different thing because it's like, why would you sing minors somewhere on
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  an island And it's just about it's just about it's just about, like Epstein
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  and what's her face Gillen, Yeah, just Laane. Yeah. I think
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  so okay, It's just like there, it's too simple a song to be
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  really about. It's too wide of like breadth to like, I don't know
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  if I agree with you, I'd have to I'd have to look at it
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  again. Well can we do you want to set the show? I mean
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  you brought it out. I said I didn't want to talk about it.
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  That you kept talking about it. I don't know, dude. Now it's
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  like like in this way where it's like I don't know, dude, but
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  we can talk about it after. It's well, God, but it is
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  a rallying song for poor people. It is like that is the main kind
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  of but that's what all populous rhetoric does, like it like lombs onto like
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  issues and then like of course like the trojan horses a bunch of like ideology
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  and with it. I mean that that to me is like you you can
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  say that. I just don't think it's necessarily him that, Like, I
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  don't really think it's his intention, especially when he said that thing recently,
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  which was like, I mean, America's a melting pot. Our diversity is
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  our strength, and people were so upset at that. So it's just like,
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  really, yeah, I just think he's like, uh, he's a
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  guy who wrote a song. The guy wrote a song that people that like
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  definitely was a thing that was like, oh man, we could totally exploit
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  this, And I think he was just like like he was upset that they
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  used it at the what's it called GOP presidential exactly, So it's like,
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  you know, I mean, I just who cares? Yeah? Sure,
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  yeah, who cares? Do you want to just should we just put a
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  pin in it? Yeah? We can put it in. Hello everyone,
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  and welcome to Thirsty for More. I of course, I'm your host,
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  Malnko, Alex and a Tier on Planet Bruce. Today we're talking about Mercury
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  Rising. Nineteen ninety eight's Mercury Rising, directed by oh who was directed by
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  it? But does you have a name? I should call him lawyer Mercury
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  in retrograde? I mean this entire movie. I was like, is this
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  movie about the Zodiac? The Zodiac killer? Carol's Becker? What has he
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  done? Becker has done? Oh he did a Tom Cruise movie called Taps.
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  That's oh no, yeah, yeah, Tom Cruise and George C.
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  Scott and Ronnie Cox and Sean Penn. We should totally do that movie,
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  dude, for Tom Cruise running the other movie that man, like he's done
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  done so little the boost. I'm sure this movie didn't help at all.
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  I'm sure this movie. I'm sure this serious fascinating exploration of whole narrow diversions.
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  Wait, dude, I'm gonna I'm just gonna blow my wand now this
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  is definitely ready for me. Really yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna back this
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  movie. Yeah, okay, I mean, I'm like willing to hear you
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  out and be convinced, but you don't have to be convinced. I'm just
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  saying that, like from my like I you know I I I definitely had
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  an enjoyable time watching it, but through a lot of like serious groaning and
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  like pained groaning. Although I will say Bruce is definitely friends with black people
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  in this movie. Dude, black people to have a good body, so
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  I'm just trying here to help the white people to look good, but realistically
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  friends with black people. And also Bruce did an amazing job. Bruce did
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  an amazing he was real like he had lots of heart in this movie.
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  So much. Yeah, and I believe I believe, I believe that he
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  would react in all of these ways. I believe this character reacted all these
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  different ways with this autistic kid. And like, man, it's really interesting,
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  Like I'm so glad the internet exists because it has like diagnosed, it
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  has helped in the diagnosis the further proliferation and self diagnoses of neurodiversions and like
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  made it make way more sense to people and really shown what the spectrum of
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  it is, you know what I mean, Like from like if you just
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  like go on like TikTok or whatever or like or like reels and stuff like,
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  you can see like there's like different people doing different things, experiencing their
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  autism in different ways. And of course there's like people who like use it
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  in like ways to get attention because they see that. I mean, the
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  best part is the people using it to get attention to because they're basically doing
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  Miko Hugh's impressions. Yeah, and like man, Miko Hughes, Nico Hughes
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  season dude. Yeah, yeah, totally, he's the most He's one of
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  the most been having bad dreams, it's such a been having bad dreams kid,
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  And like he's man like Miko Hughes quintessential nineties kid Boys of a Penis,
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  Girls have a Vagina kid like he was on. Not only was he
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  a bio essentialist in that movie, but in this movie he's uh, you
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  know, doing a very troublesome impression of neurodivergence. Really like it was interesting
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  because like not not not in a way where it's like like this, this
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  type of neurodivergence doesn't exist. I'm not claiming that. I just think that,
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  like, man, you think what you you loved Miko Hughes's performance,
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  Yeah, I thought it was great. Like the writing for the character just
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  felt like, oh, like this person and is having a lot of trouble.
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  He's been having bad dreams, but not just that, like like the
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  writing of the character wasn't like he necessarily like has intentions to do X magical
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  thing. It's like a happenstance. It's like, I mean, it's only
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  that a computer sound comes on every time about thinking about numbers. Totally of
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  course, but it's not like definitely gotta go, definitely gotta go and then
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  like using it's the late nineties version of that. It's like I totally disagree
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  to this was This was a movie. This was I think, if I
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  if I may, this was like a precursor to I Am Sam and like
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  the Thea. This was like on the steps of the death of this type
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  of movie of trying the tooth with like neurodivergence or like any sort of like
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  different kind of like you know abled. I think it's the total opposite.
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  I think from this movie this was this is probably the only performance of this
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  kind that I've seen that's like closer to anything real than like I have magic
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  powers and I'm amazing. No. No, it was like it flipped from
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  from like fetishizing it in a way that's like, well, we can use
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  this as a storyline to let's make the main character a superhero, but not
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  a real superhero. He's got autism, you know what I mean. It
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  happened in like The Predator. It happens in that Ben Affleck movie with the
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  Accountant where he's just like magical and has autism and that's the explanation. Whereas
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  like he in this movie, it's just like there's a willingness to be like,
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  hey, like these parents have a really difficult time. Bruce is having
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  a difficult time, like interacting with this he seems way more like a burden
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  in this movie than than like feeling like, man, like this kid can
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  help me in some way. Oh yeah, I would agree with you.
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  Also that, like in the way that it's treated by like the healthcare professionals
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  and the like education specialists in this is all like they don't really know they
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  know, you know, like they know a little bit more than It's kind
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  of it is kind of interesting in that regard because like I think definitely this
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  would be handled differently. It's just is handled differently. There's a different awareness
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  and knowledge of it now. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course.
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  But it's also like it feels like now it's the opposite sort of way
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  where it's like the the oh, it's the you know, sort of creepy
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  like we have to make it so beneficial and nice, where it's like,
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  make whats so beneficial and nice? Like the life of a person who has
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  autism, and it's like as opposed to like treating him kind of like a
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  real person, which this movie is outrageous and not real at all, but
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  surprisingly the real elements feel like tasteful. Well maybe you're right, Like he's
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  a lived in character. It's just it's more the world around him that's like
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  really out of step and troubling, which I just didn't feel like there was
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  a kind of like consistency to his plights in the movie. I mean,
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  this first scene felt like a I think you should leave sketch where people were
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  doing outrageous like the one banker steps up, and it just I was like,
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  this is I could see Tim Tim Robinson, yeah in the bank oh
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  right at the beginning, and the one guy he's just like crying and freaking
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  out. Bruce Willis knocks him down trying to get him out of the way
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  of one of the young sons, the balding beardedt young son out of the
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  way. So it's like there's this kind of I mean, these guys speaking
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  of like speaking of what we were speaking of at the beginning of like armed
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  militias. Like these guys are like some like white naturalists from like that's what
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  we're kind of like. They're like domestic terrorists right, like they want to
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  Waco style, which is it's like just like mainstream now, yeah, halling
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  mass. So this guy's been shilling is so shy. I mean, you
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  loved that song. I don't hate it. I and and you're not saying
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  what what I did love You're you're you're saying, okay, yeah, go
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  ahead, no you're well, you're saying that I loved the song, which
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  which I had a reaction to the song is is what is the way I'll
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  phrase that. And I loved it in the sense that, like I felt
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  the emotion behind it and really felt like a connected and felt because of that
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  that it was like in super danger mode of being like extremely weaponized by the
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  right and like galvanizing like people behind this kind of populist message. And like
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  the fact that it was played at a GOP debate for the President of America
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  really does like confirm that to me, whether or not he likes it or
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  agrees with it, it doesn't matter what he likes or agrees with I saw
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  a guy who made a really popular, impassioned song that spoke to right wing
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  militias, that spoke to people who are like domestic terrorists basically, and who
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  are like in America, who are like constitutionalists only when it matters to them,
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  and like who are willing to like you know, those were pritriots.
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  January sixth, Those were priture, but also it spoke to a lot of
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  other people too, Like that's the thing I think, but because it is,
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  because that's the that's the strength of populism. Yeah, I know,
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  that's why it's stupid. Well I agree with you on that. Yeah,
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  but like I don't know, like you're worried. Like, first of all,
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  I don't think that I don't want to talk about this song. No,
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  but I'm saying that these guys would listen to that song and they would
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  they would play it on their boombox as they Okay, all right. Speaking
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  of Bruce, his best friend, this weird team that he's predicting gets shot
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  after he makes a phone call to Rolves from the wire about great yeah,
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  and the team gets murdered, and man, Bruce Willis's performance was amazing in
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  this scene. His like, you know, yeah, two young kids.
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  Yeah, oh totally totally two young kids. And his his sort of like
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  wet eyes performance throughout this entire movie. Wet eyes, Bruce, It's so
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  wet eyes. And then he punches rolls in the face and then gets sort
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  of like reprimanded, gently gets gently reprimanded. It's promoted. Yeah, and
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  then the woman from Boston Legal. Oh, dude, I could wait to
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  talk about her. One of the best scenes that we've ever seen in Boston
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  Legal when she takes that full bodied, swinging punch. It's like a weird
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  medium shot. It's so unflattering too, No, but it's amazing because like
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  you guys really like it seems very realistic. Yeah, it's it's very cool
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  Boston Legal. Dude. Also, the scene of the kid getting marked reminded
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  me of Justin Bieber getting your shot in that fucking scene and he was like,
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  remember did I did I send that to you? That? Yea yeah,
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  And then we get introduced to Simon, but we should say that this
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  that this whole first scene kind of like sets up the Bruce is an undercover
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  guy, and he was like, I guess federally taking down when the FBI
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  used to care about domestic terrorism and white nationalists, uh, and now now
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  the white nationalists are in the FBI, dude, I mean they were they
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  were always, but like you know, I mean, Biden is like like,
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  oh, yeah, domestic terrorists, that's that's the big, big problem
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  or whatever, and it's only Glenn Greenwald, famous left winger Glenn Greenwald saying,
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  uh, saying that it's not No one thinks Glenn Greenwald is a left
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  wing or anymore. Dude, Yeah, of course they do. Are you
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  kidding? Yeah, of course you don't hang around the circles I do.
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  Speaking of circles, uh, the nice circles around Bruce's forehead forming the only
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  the first balding we've seen in a while that's actually is crew cut Bruce.
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  Yeah, I love it, crew cut peninsula Bruce. Yeah, the hair
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  was grown in it looked thicker, but since it's not, it's pretty balding.
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  It looks great. I was just saying, Man, I do miss
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  seeing like in the first scene. I think it's like the first four actors
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  we see are all balding, and it's amazing. We should see more balding
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  people in media. Dude. Yeah, dude, I mean it's uh,
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  we we get uh with oh man Chai McBride, Tommy b Jordan. He
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  is actually amazing. He's a friend, dude, the friend that Bruce cooks
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  at some point. Man, well, we'll talk about that when we get
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  to it. But yeah, so like there he's in the office of the
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  like police chief and the police use like the chief of these your job.
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  Don't worry. Don't worry. We'd never fire police officer for any reason.
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  Yeah, but yeah, he gets he gets like a desk job. Bruce
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  has like a freak out where he's like, I've been working, I've been
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  working. Well, this is our first glimpse in Bruce Bruce's kind of like
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  ideology, which does play into this, because he's like, you mean to
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  tell me all these stiffs, all these jobs he's like talking about, like
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  people who work behind the desk and don't understand the plight of I mean,
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  he's been influenced by telling so he's been doing that to selling his soul bullshipey,
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  and he's been trying to like like because because of that, he's like
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  he doesn't want to he wants to stay under cover. I get. It's
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  such a weird flimsy. I the only reason I believed it was because Bruce
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  will has sold it to me. It's such a dumb flims most honestly,
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  like the reality of being undercover seems so needlessly stressful for anybody that's like,
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  dude, like, I get it, like you sort of because he lost
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  his friend. He was like friends with this kid who is a teen or
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  whatever, and he like kids, Yeah, it feels like a need to
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  do it, but like that is such a like lukewarm, flimsy way of
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  justifying that that kind of character trait. But the kid, Simon comes back
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  home and everybody in the movie, which I don't like. I don't know
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  too much about autism in general, but in terms of like teaching and stuff
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  like that, I don't know how helpful it is to be like forced them
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  to look in the eyes. I don't know. I don't know. Simon,
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  maybe in the nineties that was what it was. Simon, who knows
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  one of the traits of you people is not looking me in the eye.
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  That was the big, big problem with the movie, outside of like a
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  lot of the parents stuff, which I think was actually really well handled,
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  and also Bruce's interaction with him was also I think really well handled. There
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  was a lot of empathy towards the kid, and it wasn't It didn't feel
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  exploitative because no character in the movie was aware enough of what was happening to
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  be able to like use him in some way, whereas like something like rain
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  Man is very much like Tom Cruise is using this guy. And then all
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  of a sudden at the end of the movie, they're like, well,
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  you know, he's a good guy. Can I just tell you what?
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  Like I yes, Yeah, And that movie in a way actually kind of
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  I would say, makes more sense than this one. Oh. I mean,
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  but this movie is an action movie. This movie has like this movie
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  to me feels like the most outrageous schwartzy movies and stallone movies. This is
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  like in that vein. It is but it wants it both ways, because
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  what movie did this remind you of? What movie did what recent movie did
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  this remind you of? I don't know, The Jackal. It was very
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  similar to The Jackal in the way in the procedural vibe, in the vibe
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  that there's a conspiracy, in the vibe that you need to like solve crimes
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  and there's people screwing over you can't trust people, and like chase scenes,
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  and I liked I think I like this more than The Jackal. I think
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  this movie made more sense to me than The Jackal, did you know?
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  Like? What I was getting to though, is like my problem with it
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  is like it's kind of like to try the tooth with the autism is annoying
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  because it's like it is doing that. I know that it treats it in
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  like ways that like feel like, oh, this is kind of interesting or
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  this is realistic, but like the fact that like the whole premise of the
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  movie is that he's basically in quotations, savant who can solve puzzles and like
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  accidentally solves this puzzle that's a CIA mystery or sorry and mystery because they have
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  to make it like especially like consecrative and mystical. Well, they had to
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  make it like computers, and but yeah, sure, yeah, it just
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  feels like it's like the the like driving force of the movie is something that
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  is it's so eyerolly, It's like why because it's like it's like they're they're
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  just oh, this kid who has this ability, and then they get to
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  have like a bunch of lines and it's like it feels like it was written
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  by a person who read the headline of like savants can like solve mathematical puzzles,
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  but may not even be able to like tie their own shoes or something,
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  you know what I mean, Like it feels like somebody with a very
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  limited knowledge, Like it just doesn't feel like it's like it feels like it's
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  all written from outside the perspective of the kid, and if you're gonna make
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  the kid the main star and the main like driving force of like the action
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  in the movie, like, are we also as an audience meant to misunderstand
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  the kid? Like are we also like you know, are we like where
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  I didn't feel like it just feels like the movie is using the emotionality of
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  casting a kid and also casting him as like with a disability or like something
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  that is being like presented in that way and like something that if you're going
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  to present it in a certain way, it feels like you should just have
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  a better understanding of it. But yeah, maybe, I mean, but
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  most people, like most people don't don't really know I know the most people.
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  So it's like, you know, it's like in the nineties when every
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  fucking brom com was like had an architect in it, and it was like,
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  oh, that's not really how architects live, like speaking of architects are
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  vandal art vandal? Yeah, but like, you know, it just feels
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  like like, yeah, you're right, it's it's exploitative, but like the
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  movie is exploitative. It feels like it functions within the world enough but sensitive
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  enough to be like, oh, this kid like as a family who loves
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  him, and they're trying their best. They're not like, uh, super
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  wealthy or anything. They're just kind of like getting by and it's hard to
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  have a kid with a disability, you know what I mean, And they're
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  doing like what they can. And then all of a sudden, like you
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  know, and John Carroll Lynch was amazing, amazing, amazing, and the
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  mom was really good too. They were like weird empathy, but like also
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  like, man, I'm stressed, but I do love this kid, you
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  know what I mean, And like it felt that way, you know,
• 26:37
  and it felt like I'll never understand you. Oh yeah, totally. And
• 26:41
  it also weirdly felt like like in a very realistic in a very realistic way
• 26:47
  where it was like I'll never understand you, but I don't like me.
• 26:52
  Doesn't mean I love yeah, exactly exactly. I mean, I'm sure it's
• 26:56
  I'm I'm definitely sure it's an eventsive portrayal, but like, like my expectation
• 27:03
  for what I remember about the movie is that it was like, oh no,
• 27:07
  you know what I mean, Whereas like like watching it back, I
• 27:11
  was like, okay, like it wasn't. Risingly, it wasn't I am
• 27:15
  Sam. Yeah, exactly, it wasn't I'm Sam. But I like that's
• 27:18
  what I mean. I feel like it was on the road to I Am
• 27:22
  Sam. I feel like he paved the way for I Am Sam. Did
• 27:26
  it. I was one of the ones that because like, to me,
• 27:29
  what what is interesting about this is that it's Bruce Willis. There's a lot
• 27:34
  of care given to like what the kid does, how he does it,
• 27:40
  and then that stuff pays off for somebody else solving a mystery through the kid
• 27:45
  rather than like the kid gave me this idea. Now, when the kid
• 27:48
  solves the puzzle later, that was the only thing that was like, which
• 27:53
  like on the computer when they got what he's been doing for the entire time,
• 27:57
  No, he hasn't. He didn't want he did once. Well that's
• 28:02
  how he gets the phone number he calls. Like, but like, but
• 28:04
  it's incidental. It's not like like it's not like in the Predator when the
• 28:11
  kid is in that movie I watch Are you talking about the Predator? Okay,
• 28:15
  yeah, the Shane Black one where autism tries the tooth the kid is
• 28:19
  autistic, but it's like it's but he's like solving the problem for the adults,
• 28:26
  and he's like drinking. Yeah, he's like taking the as opposed to
• 28:30
  this, which is like it's incidental that he solves the puzzle, but he
• 28:36
  he likes to solve puzzles, So that's like a character trait for him in
• 28:40
  him and it's happenstance to like Bruce willis solving the mystery, you know what
• 28:48
  I mean? Sorry, yes, I do know. I do know what
• 28:52
  you mean. And he like drinks. The they set up the like pouch
• 28:56
  of of hot cocoa and he like drinks and it was so embarrassing went the
• 29:02
  way he said Mamie and Daddy. It was like, oh my god.
• 29:07
  Yeah, it was just like oh yeah, that was so grating, like
• 29:12
  and then yeah, like I'm also talking about like how did you not find
• 29:18
  some of the scenes where he's like freaking out to be incredibly like physically uncomfortable,
• 29:26
  Like they were like physically uncomfortable for me to watch. I mean,
• 29:30
  I've told the story on the podcast where I interacted with a kid who was
• 29:34
  autistic at the bowling alley? Did I tell that story? I don't know.
• 29:37
  Well, Like I was working at a bowling alley and early in the
• 29:41
  morning there was a like a student crew of kids who are autistic, and
• 29:47
  that wasn't put in the ledger, so I didn't know that one of the
• 29:52
  kids was one of the kids that walked off was autistic. But he was
• 29:55
  stepping on the what's it called the lanes and because they're a special kind of
• 30:00
  oil that goes on those lanes that it's slippery, it's slippery, right,
• 30:06
  and like the bowling balls, they they there's scuff on them. Then they
• 30:10
  like they don't they don't glide or whatever. So I went up to the
• 30:14
  kid to to like, you know, help him get off and be like
• 30:18
  hey, man, like you can't be on the thing, and he reacted
• 30:22
  really really poorly. Uh and like I was like, I don't know what
• 30:26
  to do, and a lady came up to me, what do you do?
• 30:29
  Well he was like screaming and yelling and like fell on the floor and
• 30:33
  I was like like I don't know what to do, and uh, you
• 30:37
  know, the teacher was like, don't worry, like he'll he'll and she
• 30:41
  like held him. Oh yeah, And I was just like I don't know
• 30:45
  what the fuck's happening. But then you know. She she was like,
• 30:49
  oh, like the kids are autistic sometimes this happens, you know, And
• 30:53
  I was I'm not saying, I'm not saying that's not what was uncomfortable for
• 30:57
  me, Like it was like just watching Miko portray it. He did it,
• 31:02
  like he did a good job, like in the sense that like it's
• 31:06
  must be hard as a kid acting at all and then to act like this,
• 31:11
  but like it just was so cringe dude, I mean like in what
• 31:17
  way, Like what would you do like it? In my way? Here's
• 31:21
  a stranger in my mind. When you say stuff like that, it's like,
• 31:25
  well, so do you want to not have I don't want this movie
• 31:29
  to exist? Or okay, but like we already know that, so okay,
• 31:34
  but I'm talking about it, But like, what are we going to
• 31:37
  talk about? No, no, like we're talking about the movie. What
• 31:40
  are we going to talk if not like going through the movie and talking about
• 31:44
  like how the autism affects the story and how the story works with Bruce and
• 31:49
  how the that's what we are talking about that and like as opposed to just
• 31:53
  being like, well, the portrayal of these people in nineteen ninety eight,
• 31:56
  it is terrible. Like it's like, okay, like what that's it's such
• 32:00
  a boring nothing thing to say. I'm not we're talking about the movie.
• 32:05
  Yeah, but it's like it's it's hindered by every step for you to tell
• 32:09
  me that it's a cringey performance. And I don't think it is a cringey
• 32:13
  performance having experienced we just we just I know, I know, I know,
• 32:19
  I know, but I know, but you just watched the movie with
• 32:22
  three other people who like had their buttholes clenched the entire time. Let them
• 32:27
  deal with it. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just watching
• 32:30
  the movie. We're supposed to talk about it. We're talking about it,
• 32:32
  and I'm talking about it making epience, but we also talk about the experience
• 32:37
  of watching it. I'm just saying what the experience of watching it was.
• 32:40
  That's a part of the cringe. I didn't feel great. Okay, it's
• 32:44
  a pretty good performance. It was a good performance. That's part of why
• 32:46
  it's cringe. Why what that makes sense? Okay, because let's let's continue
• 32:53
  talking about it. Fine, Like, what where were we in the plot?
• 32:57
  We're in the part where where the clicking it is rain happens because he's
• 33:00
  sawing the computer. Yeah, the computer sounds yeah, And he solves the
• 33:08
  puzzle and uh go zombies down to the phone and calls the number. Uh
• 33:17
  that's part of the NSA. And these two gooberrie dudes like nerds like,
• 33:24
  oh man, yeah, which is weird because initially I hated them at the
• 33:31
  beginning. I was like, oh man, this is they're actually empathy.
• 33:36
  But yeah, they did a really good job. But it's also weird.
• 33:38
  That's the weird thing about your your view of this movie. It seems like
• 33:42
  like the characters you like assign like like empathy and trust to you're like,
• 33:49
  oh man, I have empathy towards Miko's character as well. No, it's
• 33:52
  not even about that. It's just about like everybody. It's like you,
• 33:54
  you like, I don't know what you need from a movie to to like
• 33:59
  like things need from a movie anything, especially especially not from like especially Okay,
• 34:05
  I don't need like a movie from nineteen eighty eight to not be like
• 34:08
  what it is. It's it's fine that it is what it is. Part
• 34:13
  of this entire the premise of this entire fucking show is that we're watching the
• 34:17
  movies when we're watching them, So it's not like we're like, I,
• 34:21
  who know what you mean? It's like, no, you know what I
• 34:22
  mean? Like, no, we're talking about like what was I saying?
• 34:25
  What was I saying? I don't know what you mean? In reference to
• 34:31
  I don't know? Yeah, that's right, I don't tell me, Tell
• 34:36
  me what do you mean? Tell like what explain how I felt like watching
• 34:40
  the movie and thematically we can link it to some of the things that were
• 34:45
  maybe accurately portrayed or not accurately portrayed in terms of autism, which like both
• 34:51
  none of us, none of us have any idea what like what that is.
• 34:54
  So it's like, like it it's a spectrum of different experience and says
• 35:00
  that from my take and from seeing autism portrayed a bunch of different times,
• 35:05
  this is actually surprisingly the least cringe in nineteen ninety eight. That's like,
• 35:09
  I think that's like a pretty interesting step forward rather than like looking at it
• 35:15
  from just like, oh, I don't know, like judging it from from
• 35:19
  the time period that we are, Like, that's a much more interesting conversation
• 35:22
  to me than just being like, oh god, it's so eyrolly and it's
• 35:27
  like okay, but also like give it a fucking break. Like I'm not
• 35:31
  not giving it a break, I'm like giving like it a chance. As
• 35:35
  the movie was trashed anyway, like in from this era, like it was,
• 35:39
  it received terrible What were the reviews critical of? What were the reviews
• 35:45
  critical of? I'm interested to know. Let's see. Yeah, it's got
• 36:07
  twenty one percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Is this a twenty one percent movie to
• 36:10
  you? Twenty one? I don't know. I like, I don't care
• 36:17
  about it that much. Like the thing is like it's it's competent. It's
• 36:22
  a competent movie. Like twenty percent audience score in twenty one, that's pretty
• 36:28
  low. I had a good time watching this movie. I was like,
• 36:30
  pretty pretty Uh, it was pretty impressed. Actually, here here are like
• 36:36
  some of the tidbits. The actor's serious faces are out of place. So
• 36:42
  this hopefully hopelessly silly action conspiracy. There's such a lack of vision behind mercuriarizing
• 36:50
  that the title could have been going in an entire in either direction and it
• 36:54
  would still end up in the same familiar plays. Baldwin's Kudro is a one
• 37:00
  dimensional, humorless variation of his corporate tyrant did Glengary Glenn Ross weird weird critiques
• 37:13
  of this movie. Yeah, these are like, these are like twenty twenty
• 37:16
  pro. I don't like Baldant was pretty good. Yeah, Alec Baldwin did
• 37:20
  a pretty good job. Yeah, I don't want to, like I want
• 37:25
  to. I want to talk about it, like seriously, I want to
• 37:28
  talk about the movie seriously. I don't. I don't know if I would
• 37:31
  score it that low. I we'll get to what I would score it.
• 37:36
  Yeah, yeah, like I I I I I enjoyed watching this movie.
• 37:45
  I enjoyed watching it like I had Like I thought it was like, you
• 37:49
  know, competent. I think competent is is definitely the right way of framing
• 37:55
  it. My my experience of it was so more warped because like I had
• 38:01
  seen it whatever in my teens and then like you know, reading years of
• 38:07
  terrible reviews. I was just kind of I like soaked so much of that
• 38:12
  in that I was like, like watching it now, I was like,
• 38:15
  oh, this is actually like pretty impressive, Like the v effects are really
• 38:19
  good for the time, Bruce is awesome. Peter storm Mayer woefully under used
• 38:27
  one scene same as Rawles in one scene weird that they recreated a lot of
• 38:35
  like train Bruce like train Bruce, Yeah, trained jackal uh die hard with
• 38:42
  the revenge like I was like, whoa train Bruce? Yeah so much Bruce.
• 38:47
  Yeah, still playing off a sort of like oh yeah, everyman guy,
• 38:55
  very much, very everyman, which is actually what I liked about the
• 39:00
  two dweebs, who like are the decoding masters who put in the secret they
• 39:07
  made the puzzle. They made a puzzle book for nerds, and they're like
• 39:10
  if a nerd can solve this, then but like that's what I'm thinking,
• 39:14
  Like, are they also like are they also at this thing? Well,
• 39:21
  that's the thing because like it's not it's not like actually that unusual that people
• 39:25
  that go into like very highly like scientific puzzle oriented like professions do have some
• 39:32
  degree of autism, right, So like that's that's something that well, like
• 39:37
  I think I don't know, yeah, maybe maybe that's like a huge assumption,
• 39:39
  but I think that there is something to that, right, So,
• 39:45
  like I is there this movie didn't think about that at all? Or the
• 39:49
  thing? Yeah, it totally didn't, and and like so it's not worth
• 39:52
  talking. So yeah, that's the thing. It's like that the action ness
• 39:55
  of this movie felt like, man, this movie was just almost there in
• 40:04
  every single scene, like even the stuff that was like John Carroll Lynch coming
• 40:08
  home right after the scene where the nerds are like, oh no, the
• 40:13
  kid called I don't know and like he like, there's such a like weird
• 40:16
  amount of attention paid to this guy who's like working as a plumber of some
• 40:22
  kind coming home his wife and like you know, taking his kid to bed
• 40:28
  and then like hugging him so gently totally down outside and this kid is like
• 40:35
  what like nine or ten or something like, come on, that's not that's
• 40:38
  not okay. His circadian rhythm is not telling him it's time to sleep yet.
• 40:45
  I I gotta say, like, I feel like the way that the
• 40:49
  action unfolds in this to me gives very much like raw deal vibes. Like
• 40:55
  to me, this was a raw deal. Really we have for I think
• 41:00
  the first time I think a fraw deal red heat. But you saw it
• 41:04
  recently. I did see it recently, so it's primed to like like come
• 41:12
  around in your head as like that wasn't so good. Well, you know,
• 41:15
  like no, but also like you know, I know that you think
• 41:19
  I'm being like a pussy liberal or whatever, but like there's something doesn't sit
• 41:22
  right with it. But what I'm saying is it feels like there's an eagerness
• 41:27
  to a play. Maybe maybe that's true in the same way that like even
• 41:31
  being like, oh, I be saying I love this song and then having
• 41:36
  to like caveat everything. It's like who cares? But it's not who cares.
• 41:42
  It's not who cares because it is. It's not who cares. I'll
• 41:45
  tell you why, because because exactly what people did to that song, exactly
• 41:51
  what people did to that song, the galvanizing momentum of that song and and
• 41:55
  what it what it has done, and who is behind and who's really excited
• 42:01
  about that song being popular. That's the problem I have, And that's why
• 42:06
  I think it's only responsible to couch things into And who was the one who
• 42:14
  blew it up in a way that was like we have to weaponize the song
• 42:17
  in the other way and say he's racist or like a conspiracy theorist or I
• 42:23
  don't think it was blown up by by the left in that way. I
• 42:27
  don't think it was. It was Fantano talked about it as as that,
• 42:30
  and it's like, is it really that are we actually like, will will
• 42:36
  a normal person see it as like as people who as much as people who
• 42:40
  are people who are into politics do. It just seems like such a narrow
• 42:46
  subset to me. Anna saw that song and was like he was also into
• 42:52
  super into politics, and she was like and she was like, this is
• 42:54
  scary. She was like, this is how it starts. But this is
• 42:59
  how fascism start. That's so everybody, every single point in fascism, whether
• 43:05
  it's gonna happen or not, is always going to reflect that way. Come
• 43:07
  on, you don't have to be like so narrow about it, like and
• 43:14
  if it doesn't, I know, I understand, you know, I understand
• 43:17
  your point. I understand, but listen we're talking about it because I understand
• 43:23
  your point. I understand your point, but I will say I think that
• 43:29
  the the the kind of I think your view is to experience the world the
• 43:36
  way you're asking me to experience it in this moment feels very optimistic on your
• 43:40
  part and feels like in denial of certain truths, Like I wish that we
• 43:46
  lived in a world where it was like I could look at this objectively and
• 43:51
  be like, you know what, like it's a really good song. He's
• 43:53
  saying something that's really connecting to people and is really resonating with a lot of
• 43:58
  people, which I think is powerful and which I think it is what the
• 44:00
  strength of the song is. To like combine lyrics and emotion and melody in
• 44:05
  a way that like touches someone and really says speak some truth is an amazing
• 44:09
  thing and like, but to do that and for that to have the galvanizing
• 44:15
  momentum of like getting even just the reaction that it's having on both sides of
• 44:22
  like left and right, of people being like, oh my god, this
• 44:24
  is so scary to oh my god, this guy is speaking our truth.
• 44:29
  Like I think that fact alone, you know, is all that we need
• 44:34
  we need to look at, not not the like thing of it. To
• 44:37
  me, the scariest part is how easily it was made into a thing that
• 44:43
  would be instead of be like huh okay, like yeah, it's a good
• 44:47
  song, it was made on purpose to be like, oh, this will
• 44:52
  get well it's and we'll be able to be like it's just a song,
• 44:59
  it's us a song, And immediately the bait was taken. It's like you're
• 45:02
  right, you're right, all right, You're right, you're right, but
• 45:06
  like, but that's yeah. My point is you don't have the luxury of
• 45:08
  not saying anything, and I don't have the so I don't have the luxury
• 45:12
  of saying, oh, well, you know, I I have to couch.
• 45:15
  They live as some oh, like the right actually misunderstood it's not about
• 45:21
  the Jews, it's about anti capitalism. It's like, okay, like,
• 45:24
  I can't I can't help somebody co opting something that's true. I can't help
• 45:30
  that, and I can acknowledge it. But I think the way I think
• 45:34
  the way they live. But I can also be like, yeah, I
• 45:37
  really like they live. I don't have to be like no, I think
• 45:39
  the way the left like sort of like defended that movie by ridiculing the right
• 45:45
  for misunderstanding it was the right move because that deflated it. Yeah, of
• 45:50
  course in a way that like and so I understand what you say. But
• 45:53
  I think that the reaction to that song is in proportion to who is,
• 46:00
  in proportion to like the effect that it could. I agree. I agree
• 46:07
  with that. I think that's true. I don't agree with that with this
• 46:10
  movie. Ok. In fact, I think I mean he did a really
• 46:15
  really good job probably doing exactly what that song did with autism to be like,
• 46:20
  oh yeah, like Bruce Willis can be a tough guy who likes an
• 46:23
  autistic kid, you know what I mean? Like, I like that's all
• 46:28
  I saw in them, Like yeah, like I think, yeah, he
• 46:30
  likes he likes him like a friend and like loves him to protect him,
• 46:36
  you know. And it's not just because and this isn't the first time we're
• 46:39
  gonna see Bruce acting with the kid. Yeah, totally the kid of course,
• 46:44
  but but talk about it in a future yet that has been recorded alright,
• 46:50
  But also like you know, like it's one of those things where Bruce
• 46:52
  does, like does a really good job at seeing seeing a kid who's just
• 46:58
  a kid and like acts it, acts it in every scene and isn't is
• 47:02
  like acts frustrated with him, but knows that he can't communicate that frustration to
• 47:08
  him. Totally. That's like an interesting thing about the movie totally, And
• 47:13
  it's it's done really well. It's surprising. It's like for to like really
• 47:19
  save the movie for me. And I think that's the writing is really sloppy.
• 47:23
  A lot of the details that happen that drive the plot are really random.
• 47:29
  It's really ramshackled, like because that guy like like like by kills only
• 47:37
  one of the problem guys. And yeah, absolutely, and also like the
• 47:42
  movie makes no sense, like why would why would there be a a puzzle
• 47:49
  guy in But like that was like like heightened reality. Heightened reality has been
• 47:55
  stuff that we've forgiven before, so it was just kind of like going along
• 48:00
  for the ride. And like we get introduced to Leo's girlfriend. One of
• 48:04
  the nerds is named Leo and his girlfriend. Yeah, she looked like the
• 48:12
  well but to me, she reminded me of the the what's her face from
• 48:19
  Ghostbusters the Secretary? Oh yeah, Ghostbuster Secretary. Yeah, totally, Like
• 48:23
  yeah, it's like, well, man, I can see her. Fucking
• 48:28
  nerd you imitating Bruce doing introducing yourself to this nerd was hilarious. Man's I
• 48:39
  can see your but yeah. Alec Balder's performance was actually really awesome in this
• 48:46
  movie because like him getting challenged by these two nerds being like we put this
• 48:52
  code in a puzzle. Well, okay, so my question and him being
• 48:57
  like I'm gonna murder both of you. My quest to you is this,
• 49:00
  and this is what I was thinking about the entire time do you think that
• 49:07
  anyone ever said about this movie? And I'll say it in Bruce's Boys,
• 49:10
  so you could hear maybe him saying it about this movie. Hey, you
• 49:15
  know, it's a movie. It's about a kid something's not wrong with his
• 49:19
  head, you know, like, like you could you could see that.
• 49:22
  And I could also see him being like, well, you know, we're
• 49:24
  trying to bring out some social aspects with autism. The kids got autism,
• 49:30
  yeah, thereat and and you know, he deserves good he deserves a good
• 49:35
  home, He deserves equally equally understanding what autism is. But you know,
• 49:40
  but in a way that in a Tom Cruise kind of way where I be
• 49:44
  like, oh my god, I mean, but this movie it's it's about
• 49:47
  brothers, you know. Yeah, yeah, well this movie is about because
• 49:54
  realistically, he didn't become right wing until a couple of years after this movie
• 50:00
  Nine to eleven actually became actually became a problem. Yeah, listening on your
• 50:07
  conversations to listen man, also, just to me, I thought you would
• 50:12
  have latched onto the like anti us like it is amazing. This is straight
• 50:17
  up propaganda as like, yo, the NSA like fully kills the parents of
• 50:23
  two autistic kids, This is like progressivism on steroids as an action movie.
• 50:30
  That's that's what's interesting about it. It's like nineties libertarian progressivism where it's like,
• 50:36
  which is fuck the federal government. The federal government doesn't work for the
• 50:39
  working class. It's just evil. But to listen to your cherk Off conversations
• 50:46
  because they just fully murdered dude. When John Carroll Lynch gets shot in the
• 50:51
  head and then it why just collapses on the floor. It was extremely effective,
• 50:57
  Like I agree, But then then it's like, but it's okay because
• 51:01
  the FBI is a working class shop. You know. It's like, I
• 51:05
  mean he doesn't believe that either he got well, I guess because he gets
• 51:08
  he kind of like is like soured on them because he's like exactly pencil pushers.
• 51:14
  Yeah, totally time, he's like, we can't even trust the FBI,
• 51:19
  you know, true that we can only trust one person in the FBI
• 51:22
  or his black friend. Yeah, of course with whom he's he's cucking his
• 51:27
  wife proper relationship fully, but also he who gets shot in the forehead,
• 51:35
  dude in the brain and somehow still man. Yeah, dude, I love
• 51:40
  so much. Immediately I was like I can't look at him. I can't
• 51:44
  look at you, dude, because I had to have these like prepared lines
• 51:49
  of like oh shit, Like I mean the way the way that his reaction
• 51:54
  also to his wife getting shot, is kind of like he's kind of like
• 52:00
  there's a combination of holy shit, what have you done? What's going on?
• 52:02
  I'm scared, but I'm mostly confused, and then and then like,
• 52:07
  oh, don't shoot me, and then dies dies, and that's like he's
• 52:10
  kind of nice in this moment, like he's not like fuck you, totally.
• 52:15
  He just what to do, which is what would happen to everybody.
• 52:19
  Totally. Yeah, it's such like a gentle reaction, and gentle because you're
• 52:22
  so confused, and this guy just seems like he went in automatic mode,
• 52:27
  because John carro Lynch can play either psycho automatic mode or or or like nice
• 52:32
  guy automatic mode. And then when the t one thousand guy comes down,
• 52:37
  the guy who looks like weird fat Christopher Titus, and then he takes his
• 52:43
  gun and uses John carro Lynch's gun to shoot. So that's an open case
• 52:46
  of murder. Yeah, totally outrageous, it's not it's like, so you
• 52:52
  can afford a fifteen dred dollars. Gun oh I loved that. Yeah,
• 52:58
  totally and working class Bruce wearing a tea with a what's it called vest?
• 53:05
  Not a vest, what's it called? The shot on a like a button
• 53:08
  up that's like multi multi colored, yeah, but like dull multi colored.
• 53:15
  Man, his styles in this movie are pretty amazy's like unshaved, yeah,
• 53:21
  totally alcoholic, has like like bruises and cuts up Bruce Man bruces and cuts
• 53:28
  Bruce's something else. But yeah, he goes to find uh. He goes
• 53:38
  to the crime scene and obviously we have to hear the R word by some
• 53:43
  scumbag and then and then Bruce is like, no, no, he's just
• 53:49
  autistic. It's a movie about autism, totally totally about that. And then
• 53:53
  he finds the kid because don't bother, we already looked everywhere. Yeah,
• 53:59
  and he give me your mobile telephone and he starts pressing the buttons and he
• 54:05
  hears the kid react to the buttons like stimming, I think, like making
• 54:09
  the sound of the of the buttons, like recreating it. And then Bruce
• 54:13
  realized he's in this gloriole and then the kid. He grabs the kid and
• 54:20
  immediately starts the kid starts freaking out and uh going mummy, Yeah totally and
• 54:29
  being like artist strange, embarrassing, really really really embarrassing. But but what
• 54:37
  I did like was when he they take him in the ambulance and he starts
• 54:40
  flipping through his like little laminated notes, and I like the scene where he
• 54:47
  tries to trick the kid by writing his own name on the note and the
• 54:52
  kids stranger friend. But like, what's but that's what I mean, Like
• 54:58
  there was a little bit of care trying to Yeah, totally, there was
• 55:01
  a little bit of care taken to trying the tooth in a way where he
• 55:07
  tries to trick the kid and the kid is consistently a particular kind of way,
• 55:13
  which is I agree with that. I agree with that, and I
• 55:16
  like the like earning the trust of a kid. It makes it have a
• 55:20
  trajectory and it makes it it will never happen because like they would, it
• 55:23
  would never happen, Like no, I don't think the story yeah yeah,
• 55:29
  well yeah, and that's why again I think they're trying the tooth with the
• 55:32
  autism, right, Like it's still trying the tooth with the autism, even
• 55:36
  though it's kind of accurately trying the tooth with auto. I'm not saying accurate.
• 55:39
  I'm not arguing for accuracy. What I'm arguing is that there was care
• 55:44
  taken, you know that at least to some degree from from what I was
• 55:49
  thinking how the movie unfolds. It's like I was like, there is something
• 55:54
  to this that these guys are trying, you know, where As most of
• 56:00
  the comments on how the movie is it's mostly actually from my perspective of like
• 56:09
  cold sort of Oh it's the filmmaking is kind of bad and it's not a
• 56:15
  good enough action thriller to be an action thriller as opposed to talking about any
• 56:19
  of the social aspects which they don't care about. Yeah, you know,
• 56:22
  that's that's true. No, that's true. Yeah I don't like. Yeah,
• 56:25
  you can you can like there's a watching of this movie where you don't
• 56:29
  even notice the autism, you know what I mean? Yeah, totally,
• 56:31
  you can kind of like ignore it or like ret con it in your mind.
• 56:37
  I guess I don't know, but it is so much about like why
• 56:42
  his reactions are the way they are and why he solved the puzzle. I
• 56:45
  guess it could all be incidental. It's just hard to know because it's a
• 56:50
  movie about what it's about. Yeah, for sure, for sure. But
• 56:53
  it's also what I'm saying is like the interesting aspect is the stuff that they
• 56:59
  quote unquote got right in terms of in terms of when the movie came out,
• 57:06
  how mental disabilities post this movie have been taken even till now, the
• 57:13
  Sia movie that's about autism. I don't know if he ever heard even heard
• 57:16
  about that sea like as in the singer, Yeah didn't. That was just
• 57:22
  like so not seen as like this was just a total misstep. This is
• 57:28
  like like like Ashton Kutcher and brown Face in two thousand and four Levels of
• 57:32
  four. I think it was the two thousand and four maybe two thousand and
• 57:35
  seven. I thought it was twelve. Oh maybe it was something something,
• 57:38
  something too far along in the timeline Ashton Cutcher, Brown Belts. Nope,
• 57:49
  he's he had a scrub dude, he had the Internet scrubbed. He has
• 57:52
  he has the Internet scrub money dude. Oh yeah, totally. But you'll
• 57:58
  find some Reddit corner that's like here it is, I've got it. Oh
• 58:01
  man, this was from eleven years ago. Oh man, Yeah, it's
• 58:05
  so racist. Oh my god, dude, Oh my god, Holy shit,
• 58:10
  dude, this is like so many, so much of brown face,
• 58:20
  dude. But like for that to be on your computer in that quality,
• 58:23
  with all of that makeup and like that, there had to be so many
• 58:28
  people that were like, Yep, yeah, this is perfectly fine. The
• 58:31
  makeup artist, the like clothing person, the prosthetics person, the hair person,
• 58:38
  the guy who approved the writing of the lines, the Ashton Kutcher who
• 58:45
  had to agree to do all of it. Yeah, totally. But like,
• 58:47
  I mean, this even had like I'm reading this, this Guardian article
• 58:51
  is from twenty twelve, and people reacted poorly. It was a controversy then
• 58:54
  too, so like this notion that like people's reaction and they're so outrageous to
• 59:00
  this kind of thing, Like people are overreacting. Like even then, people
• 59:04
  were pissed. So it's like it's that's that's a good thing. Yeah,
• 59:07
  people were upset, you know what I mean. Yeah, we just have
• 59:10
  the internet now, yeah, so it's like memes, yeah, and outrage
• 59:14
  can like recycle over and over again. The amount of times I've seen like
• 59:17
  people repost the thing and be like this is terrible, and it's like,
• 59:22
  bro, this is from like eight years ago, like we had the controversy
• 59:25
  about this, Like you're just pulling this up to like recontrovervise it. Yeah
• 59:31
  I'm mad about this now. Yeah, I'm mad about it exactly exactly.
• 59:37
  I mean I feel like we've we've jumped around a lot. Do you want
• 59:40
  to keep going in terms of like we don't have to keep going in order
• 59:45
  a lot of a lot of things happen that are like that could be good
• 59:47
  out of the movie. Yeah, totally. Like the crux of the movie
• 59:52
  is the NSA wants to kill Miko and goes on this like entire chase to
• 59:58
  try and get rid of Miko. And like Bruce's on downers in this movie.
• 1:00:04
  He's an alcoholic and he's just like got this like personal attachment to like
• 1:00:12
  a child dying a trauma that is like makes him obsessed with Like that's also
• 1:00:17
  an interesting part of this movie because it's again the movie to me anyway,
• 1:00:22
  like when you hear when I heard this movie before watching it after such a
• 1:00:27
  long time, it's like, oh, it's the autism movie. But really
• 1:00:30
  it's about Bruce's like he connects to the kid, not because he's like I
• 1:00:35
  feel sad because this kid is has a disability of something. It's like,
• 1:00:39
  I feel sad because a kid died because because of me. And it's like
• 1:00:44
  that's interesting. Is interesting because like, mostly you would see a movie like
• 1:00:49
  this and it would be about the kid having some sort of problem that he
• 1:00:52
  has to solve in some way, but it's not. It's actually at the
• 1:00:55
  end of the movie, he's like, how's he doing? And it's like
• 1:00:59
  I was told not to expect much and then he transcends his expectations, which
• 1:01:04
  is kind of a nice like touch to the movie. I don't know,
• 1:01:07
  it just affected me and maybe I'm just a really good mood because I mean
• 1:01:13
  maybe, yeah, I you know, like I hate being cynical, Like
• 1:01:15
  I don't. I don't want to be cynical about this movie. I mean
• 1:01:21
  you can be. It's it's an interesting conversation either way to me. But
• 1:01:23
  yeah, but this T one thousand guy trying to kill the kid constantly and
• 1:01:30
  then not being able to find him again after not being able to find him
• 1:01:34
  in the house, and like, man, this guy did a really good
• 1:01:38
  actually like a black ops guy. Yeah, who died in pay Root in
• 1:01:45
  nineteen eighty two, ys with like contract murdering for the government for like eighteen
• 1:01:50
  years. Yeah, totally. But he like this elevator scene when they're in
• 1:01:55
  the This was actually a really well shot scene, I think when they're in
• 1:01:59
  the hospital and they Bruce finds the kid in a place where the black Ops
• 1:02:04
  guy doesn't. He grabs him and he starts freaking out again, and then
• 1:02:07
  they get into the elevator and like the guy who's pretending to be a doctor,
• 1:02:12
  the black Ops guy he like gets in and he like slightly looks down.
• 1:02:16
  It's so mad and dead eyed calm shows of the gun and he's like,
• 1:02:22
  man, this this conversation with the eyes acting was so good. He's
• 1:02:28
  so good at like exploring everything without even moving his face, exploring everything on
• 1:02:35
  his face and how he moves, how he moves his eyes just like darts
• 1:02:40
  them slightly. It's just so well done. This scene in particular not only
• 1:02:45
  is my favorite scene, but he did like slyly oppresses the button right before
• 1:02:50
  he gets to the opening, yeah, the back opening, and like really
• 1:02:55
  and slides thenks out of the elevator and then the guy like loses his cool,
• 1:03:00
  like hey, and the nurses like there's a gun. Yeah, totally.
• 1:03:02
  And then they gave of lots of Danny mulrouins and so many Danny malroos,
• 1:03:07
  like the the like stunt casting was out of this world. Yeah,
• 1:03:13
  totally, there were so many. There's so many people cast in this movie
• 1:03:19
  and like as like visible beig, you know, like too much beg.
• 1:03:23
  Yeah, totally totally. Uh. And then this the scene where they're in
• 1:03:29
  the ambulance and the kid is like pressing all the buttons and then at one
• 1:03:32
  point Bruce is like, this is also something I really enjoyed about Bruce's performance
• 1:03:37
  and even some of the writing where like he needs to tell him in a
• 1:03:42
  specific way how to do a thing, not Yellow realizes not Yeah, And
• 1:03:45
  in that moment where he's like yeah, he's like like calmly trying to like
• 1:03:51
  and he realizes that when he puts his arm down like in a way that
• 1:03:55
  the kid kind of realizes that he's supposed to also put his arms and down,
• 1:04:00
  so he kind of like gently guides him in a way and they kind
• 1:04:03
  of like start body communicating that way, which is cool, which is cool.
• 1:04:08
  Yeah. Uh. And then this is the Trains where Peter Storm Ayer
• 1:04:11
  young hot Peter Storm a dead but so dead eyed. I realized actually watching
• 1:04:16
  this movie. Man, he played so many dead eyed characters. I was
• 1:04:20
  thinking in this movie that when I saw him, that was like he's cast
• 1:04:24
  for how how dead eyed he is. And it's what sucks is like watching
• 1:04:29
  something like something as beautiful as I was gonna say Breaking the Waves, not
• 1:04:35
  Fargo, that he plays dead eyed in that too. Uh No, in
• 1:04:40
  in the Pyork movie Dancer the Dark as such a like kind of lovely,
• 1:04:49
  you know, still kind of creepy, but like like as like a person
• 1:04:53
  who's like gentle and nice and trying really hard to be friends. And and
• 1:05:00
  there's a menace in that movie. No, in general with him, there's
• 1:05:03
  a moment yeah, yeah, presence totally totally. But also there's a menace
• 1:05:08
  to doctor Jones, I would say, I would say specifically in just hotter
• 1:05:13
  so people give him a ask. No, I think Peter Storm is hotter
• 1:05:16
  personally to me, Well do you that doesn't matter to like, because you
• 1:05:21
  don't think objectively objectively than doctor Jones. Maybe right, Yeah, he's like
• 1:05:29
  more universally appreciated Peter or Matt Michaelson will put it out there. Let's see,
• 1:05:34
  it's definitely, it's always gonna be Mads. Okay, Okay, I
• 1:05:38
  mean I see it. I think Matts is very hot. I just I
• 1:05:42
  think Peter Storm Mayer. No, I don't know. Yeah, maybe you're
• 1:05:45
  right. I don't know. He's just a particularly different feel. It's a
• 1:05:48
  different I mean, he looks like Teal from Fucking He does look like Techer,
• 1:05:54
  not Teal Schreeger. But he looks like Teal from from from He does
• 1:05:58
  look like Teal from Us recently acquitted, of course. Yeah, I mean
• 1:06:03
  I don't know, Like I don't know what that means. I don't know
• 1:06:06
  that dango. But I was gonna say, like to like it's like that
• 1:06:15
  vascular kid, but we don't know. He mentioned on the podcast Listen,
• 1:06:25
  I think Peter ser scene is like I was like he was cast for his
• 1:06:30
  menace, and I was gonna say, in Dancer in the Dark he is
• 1:06:33
  menacing. He's menacing, like he's kind and gentle and he's never not nice
• 1:06:38
  in the movie, but like sometimes the intensity with which he's like approaching byork
• 1:06:43
  and how he's shot is like scary. But the best part about that is
• 1:06:48
  that he's a red herring in the movie exactly the real bad guy is in
• 1:06:55
  that movie. And that's I mean, the real bad guy is not Brad
• 1:06:58
  Pitt David Marrish, Yeah exactly, Yeah, don't. It doesn't even have
• 1:07:02
  a smell. Yeah. Well, that's the thing that he is the perfect
• 1:07:06
  red Herring in that movie. And he is the perfect secret bad guy in
• 1:07:11
  the water bag guy for sure, and also the only American in that movie
• 1:07:15
  which is the bad because he's the rest of them are either British or Fluga
• 1:07:21
  googa or some different kind of flu right, several different I think there is.
• 1:07:27
  And I think they even shot it in a country. I think there
• 1:07:30
  was, like Sweden or I don't know. Yeah, but where were we
• 1:07:36
  Bruce cucking his partners man this scene like the like so they hug and the
• 1:07:43
  who hugs. Bruce comes with the kid with Miko to his best black friend's
• 1:07:49
  house. Bruce's friends with black people in this movie. And not only that,
• 1:07:54
  but Bruce is intimately friends with his wife, with his his partner,
• 1:08:00
  his wife whom he hugs in such a like a close proximity. She hugs
• 1:08:06
  him, she hugs him, she is hey hey, and stays so close
• 1:08:13
  to him in a way that's like she's in his intimate bubble, like,
• 1:08:16
  yeah, too close to his face. The hips are still like very near
• 1:08:21
  each other, as close as I am to this microphone. Yes, however
• 1:08:26
  I shouldn't be yelling as much as I am. No, you're doing okay,
• 1:08:29
  it's oh, it is quite loud. Yeah, but I've I've said
• 1:08:30
  it good. And also Tommy the partner is like doing Downers judgmental Bruce about
• 1:08:41
  drugs. Bruce a lot of movies where that people judge someone for the amount
• 1:08:47
  of drugs they're taking. And it's really interesting that Bruce once again, like
• 1:08:54
  I feel like this sort of through line through his movies where he always mentions
• 1:08:59
  the bad guys and getting the bad guys. Yeah, totally, it's like
• 1:09:02
  very common for Bruce. Absolutely. Well, he's like the raw raw America
• 1:09:08
  talking about populism. This is the same type of rhetoric the bad guy's good
• 1:09:12
  guy's black and white dynamic. Well, I would say that somebody who is
• 1:09:15
  kind of a libertarian would have like a view, a kind of like a
• 1:09:20
  black and white view like that of like, for sure there's some bad guys.
• 1:09:24
  Yeah, totally, you got to get the bag guy. He steals
• 1:09:27
  his friend's car uh and takes the kid to some sort of train station and
• 1:09:32
  then takes more downers and has a post traumatic stress flashback before waking up to
• 1:09:38
  realize that the kid is gone. Oh man, Like, when I saw
• 1:09:43
  this scene, I was just like and he kind of comments on it,
• 1:09:46
  He's like, oh, stupid, Like he's like calls himself stupid. But
• 1:09:48
  I'm like, and it's like, yeah, what the fuck were you the
• 1:09:51
  right? You are stupid this fucking kid. Dude, You're why are you
• 1:09:57
  sleeping in a car with a kid? Yeah? Yeah, and what are
• 1:10:00
  you doing? I mean, he has nowhere to go, The NSA is
• 1:10:02
  after him, the FBI has been turned on him, and go back to
• 1:10:06
  his house. But there's this running sorry sorry, Like I have to say,
• 1:10:10
  there's this running thing through this movie where that where even Tommy's like,
• 1:10:14
  dude, what are you doing with this kid? And He's like, who's
• 1:10:16
  not going to take care of him if I'm not. So it is very
• 1:10:19
  much that, like I'm sad that my both I'm sad that I a kid
• 1:10:26
  died because of me, and I am a kind of person that has to
• 1:10:30
  take matters into my own hands. Yeah, speaking of taking matters into his
• 1:10:35
  own hands. The kid takes matters into his own hands by guiding Bruce to
• 1:10:40
  where his house is because he's autistic dude, of course he has magical powers,
• 1:10:45
  so like you know, he just knows, like like he happens to
• 1:10:47
  I guess here in the name of a street or see the name of a
• 1:10:51
  street he recognizes, and he's able to guide Bruce to his own home,
• 1:10:56
  which Bruce already knows, but he, like I guess, wants to get
• 1:10:59
  fined clues there. And so a suspicious old ladys a window and the kid
• 1:11:09
  takes the hot chocolate and is like mummy, mummy, yeah, and and
• 1:11:18
  Bruce or gives him a chocolate tooth with the chocolate, and then he tries
• 1:11:26
  the tooth again by finding the same book that he happens to find digitally,
• 1:11:31
  Uh feels the COVID in his head uh to magically dial the number again,
• 1:11:39
  and then he goes downstairs next from his body, but his father's body was
• 1:11:43
  the blood wasn't cleaned up. And then he calls the NSA again and the
• 1:11:47
  nerds are like a foot the kid's footprint in the blood in dried blood.
• 1:11:53
  Did I just try you know you saw it? You saw, I know
• 1:11:56
  what you did see, And yes, it does look like a footbird,
• 1:11:59
  but it's not a But then Bruce is a lot more gentle with the kid
• 1:12:03
  and he like guides him to the door and stuff like that. So he
• 1:12:08
  so the guy doesn't, like, you know, figure out that he's there.
• 1:12:14
  It is like a weirdly, weirdly slightly higher bland movie. It's too
• 1:12:20
  bland. That's why. That's why it feels like The Jackal to me,
• 1:12:25
  it's because it's like The Jackal is a really bland movie. There's a kind
• 1:12:29
  of like it seems like it's, oh, it's like a nineties action movie.
• 1:12:32
  This looks and feels a certain way. It's comforting in a certain way.
• 1:12:36
  It has kind of like explaining away logic in a certain way where it's
• 1:12:42
  just like I don't know this thing happens and the kid yeah. And it's
• 1:12:45
  not written well enough to justify those throwaway lines. Too much of it relies
• 1:12:54
  on the actors to play this as opposed to the bad writing to like justify
• 1:13:00
  any of these things which they could have. There were plenty of ways that
• 1:13:02
  it feels like this movie could have if I have like a bit of time
• 1:13:06
  I feel like I could rewrite this movie. What would you do, just
• 1:13:12
  off the top of your head, because fans of the show have been missing
• 1:13:15
  your reinterpretations, your reimaginations, your evaluations as a as A as a TV
• 1:13:21
  plot for instance, or like you know, things like that. People have
• 1:13:25
  been missing those. Dude, Man, it's too tough. I can't think
• 1:13:29
  of it. Now, make a show, Oh man, how would I
• 1:13:30
  make this show? Would still autistic in a show, of course, he
• 1:13:36
  would. Of course, you need you need some representation, you need to
• 1:13:40
  try the tooth and it would be played by an autistic person. Now.
• 1:13:44
  But in the scene where he he uh, this was the most egregious of
• 1:13:47
  the scenes where Bruce's hacking into the mainframe, the FBI mainframe with the librarian
• 1:13:54
  using the Dewey decimal system. Well, dude, yeah, thank you for
• 1:13:59
  using that. Yeah. So he goes to the internet the only place the
• 1:14:05
  Internet existed in the nineties, which was the library, and they do EA
• 1:14:09
  decimal system into the FBI. They go into the not safe FBI sight and
• 1:14:15
  she's able to like find an email that's Einstein. That's because Einstein. He's
• 1:14:20
  like Einstein. Yeah, the nerd says Einstein and then he's like, I
• 1:14:27
  don't search the FBI locks for Einstein. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 1:14:33
  And then the librarian is like very uncomfortable and walks away. Well no,
• 1:14:38
  but for that before he tries the tooth with two passwords, it's like try
• 1:14:43
  albertybe equal simz square and then he's like yeah yeah, and she's like I
• 1:14:49
  need to go now, yeah, because she doesn't. She's made very uncomfortable
• 1:14:54
  by matrix style code. When Stacey gets introduced in the coffee shops. God,
• 1:15:04
  but but Stacy gets introduced in the word war. This is when the
• 1:15:09
  movie tanks for me. It becomes like you can pay too much of a
• 1:15:13
  slog late stage capitalism introduction. Yeah, Lovey's mom because she gets introduced an
• 1:15:18
  hour in and it's like feels simultaneously wanting wanting her to be some sort of
• 1:15:26
  weird love matres, which is so weird and so poorly done. And Bruce
• 1:15:32
  is like his big brother but like you know I'm doing because like I'm like,
• 1:15:39
  first, he rams into her fucking luggage, like very obviously runs into
• 1:15:45
  her luggage in a way that's like why is this guy obviously walking this homeless
• 1:15:49
  guy walking into it? I mean yeah, and like, also, he
• 1:15:53
  looks so scarily disheveled in a way that like, if you just panically approached
• 1:15:59
  this random moment, I guess he has a kid, but it would be
• 1:16:01
  weird, it would be it would be so weird. And his explanations are
• 1:16:05
  kind of like they're kind of gaslight in a way. They're like they don't
• 1:16:10
  explain too much, and he's way too chill about the situation in a way
• 1:16:15
  that's like, what's your name, by the way, I gotta remember your
• 1:16:19
  name by the way. Yeah, totally, I'm gonna FBI all this knowledge
• 1:16:24
  about you, brother Stacy. And she tells him her name and she's like,
• 1:16:30
  man. They were like, we couldn't cast for Ruza Balk in this
• 1:16:33
  role, so yeah, totally. We had to cast the lady from from
• 1:16:39
  Invisible Man, not Invisible Man with the Man, the Kevin Bacon movie.
• 1:16:44
  Yeah, yeah, where you see Kevin Bacon's penis disappear. Floppy Penis should
• 1:16:51
  come back, bring back the Bacon dude. Yeah. I mean, if
• 1:16:56
  you've raw dealed this movie, do you want to just like take it in
• 1:16:59
  a in a non red heated it. I read heated it. Yeah,
• 1:17:03
  you raw deal. Well, we're talking about it. That's why it's a
• 1:17:06
  good conversation. Okay, I mean, do you want me to continue?
• 1:17:11
  Yeah? Where were we? Bruce meets up with the one wiener and that
• 1:17:15
  one wiener gets shot by the two one thousand guy. Okay, So,
• 1:17:18
  like this seed is outrageous because he just like quickly walks behind him and only
• 1:17:24
  shoots him. Well, but would he kill Bruce also? He would?
• 1:17:28
  Right? What if? Yeah? Of course it's weird that Bruce was kept
• 1:17:30
  alive in this scene. That's the thing that really doesn't make sense. It's
• 1:17:35
  very outrageous logic, and it happens it kind of too fast away where it's
• 1:17:41
  like curious away. It's like, oh, dude, don't even worry about
• 1:17:45
  this next part. He dies? He dies? Yeah, And then Bruce
• 1:17:47
  sees the cameras that recorded it in the bank and that he goes up to
• 1:17:51
  the guy and he's like m FBI and the guy is just like right through
• 1:17:55
  there, sir. And then another like security person is like, I'd lose
• 1:18:00
  my job if I tell them, But don't tell for breaking the rules Bruce,
• 1:18:06
  and then Bruce. Then the hallman lady leaves and she's like he's like,
• 1:18:12
  where did you take that? Little brother's like, I'm sorry, you
• 1:18:16
  didn't tell me. I have to keep an eye on him twenty four to
• 1:18:18
  seven. Of course, it's like, why are you the writing this like
• 1:18:24
  nineties twenty year old as a nineties six year old. You didn't tell me.
• 1:18:30
  I had to look at him every fucking second. Man, there's way
• 1:18:33
  too much plot left to this movie. Man, Perusa, Bulk would have
• 1:18:38
  done a better job at you would have liked get up, Get Up.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, sexually attracted to violence for us, Bulk, oh man, I
• 1:18:49
  remember, like the remember being so attracted to cruise of course always, but
• 1:18:54
  I always used to think she was sexually attracted to the violence because of because
• 1:18:58
  of the movie, because she would playing hinged character, but also spooky character,
• 1:19:04
  spooky older for she was spooking older for sure. I mean there's a
• 1:19:10
  whole bunch of other ship, Like, we don't have to talk about this
• 1:19:13
  movie. No, I thought it was a red heat, dude, I
• 1:19:15
  mean it was. It was a red heat up until her, because I
• 1:19:23
  said the movie. But also sexually attracted to Bruce's violent nature in this movie.
• 1:19:32
  What's so weird? How how he like Bruce kisses this woman like barely
• 1:19:39
  on the face. Like there's a lot of like weird face touching, and
• 1:19:42
  there's a lot of like implied intimacy. Like she's like totally, I won't
• 1:19:46
  be able to pay rent if I don't worry about it, I'll find a
• 1:19:53
  way to repay you. It's like you won't know what you talk about.
• 1:19:56
  You talking about you're a stranger. And she keeps making these insane decisions where
• 1:20:00
  it's like like please, and he like pulls the kid up to the show
• 1:20:04
  her in the peace and the people. That was like we talk about egregious.
• 1:20:09
  That was like whoa dude? Like that was so exploitative, and I
• 1:20:13
  know he's trying to save the kid, so it's like I yes, but
• 1:20:16
  well, I mean you give this woman's life again. That's the thing.
• 1:20:19
  That's the thing where I was like, whoa dude? Like at all costs
• 1:20:24
  you like you're sad that you got a guy killed, You're ruining this person's
• 1:20:28
  life. You're literally also putting her in mortal danger. There's people trying to
• 1:20:32
  kill Nobody knows you're here, so nobody knows the kids here, nobody knows.
• 1:20:36
  I mean it is but it is kind of like it's kind of like
• 1:20:41
  us, I'm just gonna I'm just doing this so that later on when you're
• 1:20:45
  listening to it, you're like annoying. That's so hilarious, can we say?
• 1:20:51
  I mean, but it is the kind of hungry That's what I'm like.
• 1:20:55
  There is the kind of outrageous decision making that Bruce, his character would
• 1:21:00
  have made this movie. I mean, he makes a lot of outrageous decisions
• 1:21:02
  in a lot of his movies. Dude. In fact, I will say
• 1:21:06
  that consistently Bruce makes the wildest decisions of He's totally He's absolutely the Jane way
• 1:21:15
  of Yeah, he totally is Schwartzy's the Picard. Schwartzy is the I'm gonna
• 1:21:24
  say, Schwartzy is the Cisco. What I'm gonna say, Schwartzy is the
• 1:21:29
  Cisco. Dude, I think Sloane is the Cisco. Yeah, I guess
• 1:21:32
  he is the most diplomatic and stuff like that. No, Cisco is not
• 1:21:35
  diplomatic Cisco Schwartz, That's what I mean, Like, like, you're Schwartz's
• 1:21:42
  SCHWARTZI is the most diplomatic and card. Yeah, he is the most diplomatic.
• 1:21:45
  Maybe, but maybe I would say Schwartzy is Kirk and stallone is Picardo.
• 1:21:53
  No, we're not counting those ones because because I say that is Kirk.
• 1:22:02
  No, no, no, Cisco, Okay, Vanda is uh Scott
• 1:22:12
  Bakula, Yes, Scott Baculum is so forgettable. Dude, you didn't watch
• 1:22:19
  and I didn't watch your I didn't watch Getting from There to here? But
• 1:22:28
  yeah, I am hungry. Yeah yeah, So so where were we in
• 1:22:31
  the plot? He like, the kid is building the puzzle, he's Brusu
• 1:22:38
  is making plans to get the kid to Witness protection. Uh what's his name?
• 1:22:45
  Uh? Alec Baldwin finds out that Leo, one of the nerds,
• 1:22:53
  was writing on a typewriter to avoid all technology because the n s A can
• 1:22:58
  track it or whatever a copy. Oh and then yeah made push your hands
• 1:23:02
  after their carbon paper. Yeah totally. And then Bruce starts drinking thousands of
• 1:23:08
  dollars worth of wine from Alex passive, aggressively opening new bottles until he finds
• 1:23:14
  what he likes, and then he smashes the one he likes. Yeah,
• 1:23:17
  and he's like, you care more about this wine than this kid's parents.
• 1:23:20
  I love when he's like, please don't touch the wine. Yeah, I
• 1:23:24
  love okay quietly and aggressively being like, please don't touch the wine. Yeah,
• 1:23:32
  he's on the spectrum too, dude. If he cares about wine,
• 1:23:41
  that's that's his fixation. So we like he kind of like cuck threatens fucking
• 1:23:50
  what's his face? Alec Baldwin, And like sometimes they see Alec Baldwin in
• 1:23:56
  rolls like this and like and I can't take him seriously. You are a
• 1:24:00
  murderer. Yeah, you did kill her to kill someone. No, but
• 1:24:02
  he did actually kill someone. I mean he killed somebody, but a murderer.
• 1:24:09
  I'm like man like has had like history of violent outbursts. Alec Baldwin
• 1:24:15
  also very much of but my daughter is important and very strong. My daughter
• 1:24:19
  is important energy, Ireland is important to Yeah, Ireland is very important.
• 1:24:24
  She's also a fat pig, but very important to him. Is that what
• 1:24:28
  he said? Like what a fucking fucked thing to say. That's like mama
• 1:24:32
  style. I mean, I without a doubt, Alec Baldwin is BD is
• 1:24:39
  a narcissist with good politics. Oh yeah, because like that exists virtue signal.
• 1:24:45
  Yeah, it's like what I do on the show, of course,
• 1:24:47
  but very nice. That's the like what I like, I gotta flippant,
• 1:24:53
  ironic, like the best of it. Like more of that, please,
• 1:24:58
  more please? Yeah. So the ending of this movie is is the lady,
• 1:25:03
  for some reason, taking the kid to what she thinks is witness protection
• 1:25:08
  and she's being gaslighted yet yet again by another powerful man Alec Baldwin being like,
• 1:25:14
  yes, this is the kid is coming with me. The plans have
• 1:25:17
  changed. I'm not going to explain more than that. Yeah, totally,
• 1:25:20
  totally, which is scary, And it's scary to be in to experience someone
• 1:25:27
  do that to you because you like to know that it's happening to you,
• 1:25:30
  but to be powerless to do because she makes a face that she's scared.
• 1:25:33
  Short hair makes a face that she's scared. She's so short hair. How
• 1:25:36
  did Bruce Willis get on the helicopter? Is? How did you get so
• 1:25:42
  Bruce Willis is somehow on the helicopter that's set up to take the kid away,
• 1:25:48
  has set it up. But also the FBI is a what do you
• 1:25:51
  think the nineties thought that casting a short hair woman was brave? Yeah,
• 1:25:57
  that was the progressive thing to do in the past. I've I mean,
• 1:26:00
  we showed that she's an independent woman because she has short hair. Yeah,
• 1:26:02
  of course we give her no character, but she does have short hair,
• 1:26:05
  so you know that she had to make a lot of choices like not to
• 1:26:10
  look womenly. Yeah, of course. Of course. I really liked the
• 1:26:15
  v effects in this movie. I thought they were actually really cool. They
• 1:26:17
  looked really kilky, but but interesting choices were made, and an interesting choice
• 1:26:24
  was made to have Alec Baldwin die in the same way that John McClain kills
• 1:26:30
  several several enemies of his Yeah totally. I was like, why are you
• 1:26:33
  trying the tube would die hard? Yeah, totally. Don't compare yourself to
• 1:26:38
  a way. Please don't compare yourself to die hard. It's weird. It's
• 1:26:42
  like used in the fourteen years earlier, Like no, oh man, when
• 1:26:48
  when the helicopter turns and it blows out the windows and the T one thousand
• 1:26:53
  guy gets glass in his face and the dies. Man. I laughed so
• 1:26:58
  hard, dude, like good away, ton't even talk about him just dying.
• 1:27:02
  He just gets his shards and he's just like I guess it was by
• 1:27:05
  thousand vapor. Yeah, totally. And it's also I will say, this
• 1:27:13
  is the only type of envious hair. I'm like envious of the kind of
• 1:27:18
  hair that when wind blows, you don't even see scalp, it's just more
• 1:27:24
  hair. Alec Baldwo's hair is just the thickest ever. Well, I mean
• 1:27:28
  we're talking about how thick his beard is too. Can you imagine he just
• 1:27:31
  like grew a long, big beard with like his thick ass hair. That
• 1:27:34
  would look so cool. Yeah, man, I want to, like,
• 1:27:39
  I wish I had that ability to grow that thick hair and that thicker beard
• 1:27:44
  and just be like, well you do have that thick a beard. That's
• 1:27:46
  why your hair is so thin? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish
• 1:27:54
  my Bruce also has a very thick beard because his hair is yeah, totally
• 1:27:59
  and here here yeah, yeah, we bicker wei Yeah did it? Awkwardly
• 1:28:13
  cuts to the last scene of the movie, after a helicopter explodes and and
• 1:28:18
  what's his name? Uh, Alec Baldwin gets shot and man, this movie
• 1:28:25
  is exhausting. I am gonna you're you're right, it is a raw deal.
• 1:28:28
  I told you, but you're wrong. Actually it was still a red
• 1:28:31
  heat. But I'm still gonna give it like a six point five. Yeah,
• 1:28:35
  not a big score, And I'm going to give it a I'm going
• 1:28:39
  to give it a high raw deal, so I think we'll meet somewhere in
• 1:28:42
  the middle. I would say, a five point five. Wow, it's
• 1:28:46
  more than half. Yeah, it's not twenty percent. No, No,
• 1:28:50
  that's wrong. It's not worth talking about this much. But we're hilarious.
• 1:28:56
  So yeah, Bruce comes to visit the kid, uh, and the teacher
• 1:29:02
  who's also very short haired and wearing something, but she's less brave because she's
• 1:29:10
  not young anymore. Yeah, for sure. And Bruce Willis has like a
• 1:29:14
  surprisingly touching scene with a kid and with wet eyes. He finishes it with
• 1:29:20
  wet eyes. I'm going to be interested in what your Bruce. I'm going
• 1:29:24
  to be interested in what your I know, I know it's so good,
• 1:29:27
  dude, No, dude, my bruces are like eight point five. Well,
• 1:29:30
  listen, I think that this is the reason that he was cast in
• 1:29:32
  sixth sense. Can Bruce work with a kid? So I'm going to give
• 1:29:36
  it. I'm going to sixth sense was next year after this. I'm going
• 1:29:40
  to inflate the score because I think that had this movie not happened, we
• 1:29:45
  might not have had six sense. It's true, it's true, So I
• 1:29:51
  think he did a really good job. I think he very believably played a
• 1:29:56
  guy I don't believe she doesn't know anything about autism and who may not have
• 1:30:02
  Like he did all things that were necessary in the moment that he had to
• 1:30:06
  do them, but very traumatizing. This kid is fucked. Yeah, like
• 1:30:12
  but like there was no chance the kid wouldn't be fucked. It was just
• 1:30:16
  the degree to win because of the American healthcare system. Totally, totally,
• 1:30:21
  this kid ended up like traumatized and probably fu Yeah, fucked. Yeah,
• 1:30:29
  but I would give give it an eight point five bruises. Yeah, totally,
• 1:30:31
  I agree, maybe even an eight point eight bruises. Dude follow sad
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• 1:31:00
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• 1:31:14
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• 1:31:16
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• 1:31:45
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• 1:31:49
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• 1:31:55
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